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GB12
10-04-2010, 05:08 PM
We have the ability to line up Woodson at safety, slide in Harris to a starting role when he gets back, and you would prefer to put a piece of garbage like Bigby on the field instead of Harris!? Now I've been critical of Harris and his declining play but his veteran presence and ability is still far greater and more valuable than what Bigby brings to the table. I'm not the biggest fan of moving Woodson to safety either, but at the end of the day it comes down to putting the best players on the field to win yourself football games, and Woodson to safety/Harris at CB provides you with that.

Bigby is better than Burnett. If he didn't get hurt Burnett might have kept his starting job, but only because he was there from the beginning. A healthy Bigby is an improvement to our defense.

Besides, when we go to nickel (which is quite often) Woodson is going to be lining up on a receiver anyway. Why bother with him at safety at all then. Especially since when we're not in nickel it's more likely to be a run, which plays to Bigby's strengths.

BloodBrother
10-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Bigby is an improvement in the Run D, as Burnett seemed rough there...but no way is he an improvement in the pass D. Bigby is terrible in coverage

Either way, getting him back will be huge. The dropoff wouldn't be that big tbh. Burnett still made mistakes in pass coverage, rookie mistakes. Only thing that sucks is that he loses a year of experience.

If Chillar is done for the year, that will be the one that hurts the most.

umphrey
10-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Burnett would have been better than Bigby by the playoffs IMO. I would have been very surprised if his steady improvement combined with clearly better physical attributes didn't carry him past Bigby. Right now, I don't know if Bigby is going to be mentally as ready as Burnett anyway. He has experience but he hasn't been doing anything football related for almost a year, and he isn't a Charles Woodson or Al Harris where he can hit the field running without practicing.

senormysterioso
10-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Here's a picture from packers.com of my units change of command ceremony this weekend. I'm the right rifle man of the color guard (left side the way you're looking at it. It was pretty awesome to get to walk onto Lambeau.

http://prod.static.packers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2010/10-October/dsc_0012--nfl_medium_540_360.jpg

http://prod.static.packers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2010/10-October/dsc_0043--nfl_medium_540_360.jpg

J-Mike88
10-04-2010, 06:27 PM
THATS AWESOME STUFF SENOR!
Good for you!

M*****F****** torn ACL's!
Morgan Burnett..... I hate the ACL.
I wonder if we'd consider bringing Will Blackmon back, or will call up Anthony Levine.
Blackmon might not be the same though, because..... of his torn ACL last year.
Damn knees were not designed for this sport.

GB12
10-04-2010, 06:28 PM
We reached an injury settlement with Blackmon right? I think he's still hurt.

umphrey
10-04-2010, 06:36 PM
Blackmon sucked at everything besides returning punts. Bring in Anthony Levine for depth but he's probably headed back to the practice squad when Bigby comes back anyway. Then again, Pat Lee seems like he's dead weight right now so it might be time to cut him and move forward with Sam Shields and Brandon Underwood as the future and whoever we add in the offseasons coming up.

TitleTown088
10-04-2010, 07:32 PM
We reached an injury settlement with Blackmon right? I think he's still hurt.

I'm pretty sure he was placed on IR and given an injury settlement if I'm not mistaken.

Bigby get your ugly ass healthy.

PackerLegend
10-04-2010, 10:35 PM
After watching the Pats-Dolphins you see a 5' 7" 180 pound white RB from a small school. Hmmm the Pats lose Kevin Faulk and unlike the Packers find Danny Woodhead who actually looks pretty good. Basically he seems like a nobody but they plug him in and haven't missed a beat. Yet we cant find or trade for anyone whose halfway decent. If TT and MM think Jackson and Kuhn are going to be able to improve and carry the load they are fooling themselves. Maybe these guys deserved spots but carrying 2 HBs, 3 FBs and 4 TEs into the season was stupid IMO.


I also noticed Brandon Tate tonight and have seen some of the Chiefs among numerous other returners. Why do the Packers refuse to draft, sign or trade for a returner that is explosive and fast? Someone that makes teams regret kicking to him. Some of these returners you watch just make you go damnnnn. Jordy not anywhere near explosive or fast and apparently now likes coughing up the ball. These returners can have huge impacts and completely turn around games. Something the Packers have lacked for far to long.

umphrey
10-04-2010, 10:40 PM
I like Jordy returning. He has the speed and explosion to break one. You just don't see it because he doesn't get the blocking he would get in New England or Kansas City. His one game fumbling problem aside, he consistently gets the ball out past the 25, hits the hole hard, and usually gains a few yards after contact.

Zycho32
10-04-2010, 10:55 PM
After watching the Pats-Dolphins you see a 5' 7" 180 pound white RB from a small school. Hmmm the Pats lose Kevin Faulk and unlike the Packers find Danny Woodhead who actually looks pretty good. Basically he seems like a nobody but they plug him in and haven't missed a beat. Yet we cant find or trade for anyone whose halfway decent. If TT and MM think Jackson and Kuhn are going to be able to improve and carry the load they are fooling themselves. Maybe these guys deserved spots but carrying 2 HBs, 3 FBs and 4 TEs into the season was stupid IMO.


I also noticed Brandon Tate tonight and have seen some of the Chiefs among numerous other returners. Why do the Packers refuse to draft, sign or trade for a returner that is explosive and fast? Someone that makes teams regret kicking to him. Some of these returners you watch just make you go damnnnn. Jordy not anywhere near explosive or fast and apparently now likes coughing up the ball. These returners can have huge impacts and completely turn around games. Something the Packers have lacked for far to long.

In the first place, it's easier to find a niche player for a niche role than it is to find a player to fill a starting job. Losing Kevin Faulk was a big blow, but it was only a small cog in the offense, one which could be replaced. Replacing Ryan Grant? Different story. I can't even be enthused about a trade for Marshawn Lynch.

Don't get me wrong- I didn't quite find the logic in 2 RB, 3 FB, and 4 TE either (either Korey Hall or Tom Crabtree I figured could've gone), but this is the sort of thing I gotta figure would happen when your GM has done serious time as a Special Teams Coordinator in his career.

As for the returners? How many can you name that have true explosive ability? How many for that matter could you see voluntarily be a #5/6 WR or somesuch in the secondary?

GB12
10-04-2010, 11:26 PM
After watching the Pats-Dolphins you see a 5' 7" 180 pound white RB from a small school. Hmmm the Pats lose Kevin Faulk and unlike the Packers find Danny Woodhead who actually looks pretty good. Basically he seems like a nobody but they plug him in and haven't missed a beat. Yet we cant find or trade for anyone whose halfway decent. If TT and MM think Jackson and Kuhn are going to be able to improve and carry the load they are fooling themselves. Maybe these guys deserved spots but carrying 2 HBs, 3 FBs and 4 TEs into the season was stupid IMO.
Hahahahahaha, wait are you serious?

PackerLegend
10-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Im not saying the Packers should have found Danny Woodhead. I was merely saying how easy it was for the Pats to find a capable replacement and this wasnt even a guy you would expect. What do the Packers do? Stick with the same old crap for far to long instead of trying to find or get anyone. Its pretty funny we cant give up a 4th for Lynch either isnt it HAHAHAHA. Jackson ****ing sucks and I think the coaches realise that because we see less and less of him. Kuhn is not a ****ing RB. We could have easily afforded to ditch a FB or TE in order to carry a 3rd RB who was atleast decent. We didnt really have much currently but even a guy like Lumpkin would be better then what we hav.

GB12
10-05-2010, 04:49 PM
Im not saying the Packers should have found Danny Woodhead. I was merely saying how easy it was for the Pats to find a capable replacement and this wasnt even a guy you would expect. What do the Packers do? Stick with the same old crap for far to long instead of trying to find or get anyone. Its pretty funny we cant give up a 4th for Lynch either isnt it HAHAHAHA. Jackson ****ing sucks and I think the coaches realise that because we see less and less of him. Kuhn is not a ****ing RB. We could have easily afforded to ditch a FB or TE in order to carry a 3rd RB who was atleast decent. We didnt really have much currently but even a guy like Lumpkin would be better then what we hav.

He had 8 rushes for 36 yards. There's no reason what so ever to bring him up. Kuhn is better than that.

J-Mike88
10-05-2010, 04:58 PM
Does this mean that Seattle is playing to win, now?
They like their chances to compete for a Super Bowl?

I can't believe we wouldn't give that price for Marshawn Lynch, a clear 1st round talent.

And good point about the return specialists. I thought Ted had seen your light when he tried to sign Clifton Smith, but he went to Miami instead. Perhaps Smith was the only guy capable of upgrading our return units.

Anyway, they say Buffalo may be dumping players to accumulate draft picks, and one name mentioned was Donte Whitner. Would he have the versatility that Capers could use back there?

PackerLegend
10-05-2010, 05:17 PM
Im just frustrated. I think we passed a great chance to boost a position that definitely needs help. I also continue to worry and see no reason why this defense and special teams will not be gashed several more times. Obviously I want to be wrong but it gets harder and harder to believe we wont be a 1st round flop again. Thats if we make the playoffs. A lot can change but we have some pretty tough opponents almost all weeks yet to play. We have a pretty good solid foundation but yet we refuse to ever really try and add anyone outside the draft who can push this team to the next level.

BloodBrother
10-05-2010, 05:30 PM
I'm pissed that they didn't get him considering the price, but whats done is done. I wonder what, if anything, they have up their sleeve

jackalope
10-05-2010, 06:32 PM
Meh. I'd have given a fourth for Lynch, but not a third, which would have been our price.

tjsunstein
10-05-2010, 07:10 PM
Meh. I'd have given a fourth for Lynch, but not a third, which would have been our price.
Exactly, Buffalo knows that Seattle's picks will be higher than Green Bay's.

J-Mike88
10-05-2010, 08:03 PM
Meh. I'd have given a fourth for Lynch, but not a third, which would have been our price.
Someone explain the wisdom and meaning of that **** word.
Meh?

Ron Wolf paid a 2nd rounder for an older Keith Jackson because he knew he had a 2-3 year window of possible greatness.

Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Earl Dotson, Andre Rison, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson... he built a young foundation but added the final pieces with vets and it made a good team great.

With Lynch, DeAngelo, Donte Whitner, etc. many more, there are similar possibilities out there now for Theodore to strengthen this roster, without having to pay a huge price.

A 3rd & 7th is a steal for a 1st round RB. Let's be honest there. Lynch has been decent on a HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE team with no QB. My God, Brian Brohm is their #2 QB, and Jamon Meredith STARTS on that **** team.

Chris Johnson would be held to 40 yards a game on that crap team.

We have some weaknesses. Let's not pretend our team is strong in all 3 phases of the game.

James Starks couldn't stay healthy in college.
He couldn't stay healthy in training camp even with no contact, tackling.
Would anyone here bet their week's pay or tuition that the guy can suddenly become and stay healthy, durable, once the tall upright runner gets the ball 10+ times a game in the NFL?

But most importantly, what the *** does the word Meh mean? And how do you pronounce that word? What is it?

umphrey
10-05-2010, 08:32 PM
meh, I don't think anyone is happy about it. I don't know who you are trying to convince. Trades are way more complicated than you think, it seems. No point bitching about it now. All we can do is see what our team does moving forward. I never fault a team for not making a specific move. It's kind of like saying we are dumb for not drafting Tom Brady. There are 32 teams competing for every player.

meh

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/meh-36641.jpg

used in the greatest tv show of all time The Simpsons. in the episode Hungry, Hungry Homer, bart and lisa respond to a homer inquiry with "meh". mystery solved
Homer: Kids, how would you like to go... to Blockoland!
Bart & Lisa: Meh.
Homer: But the TV. gave the impression that--
Bart: We said "meh".
Lisa: M-E-H. Meh.

I'd say half the people who use it don't know it's a word invented by the simpsons

jackalope
10-05-2010, 09:10 PM
It means that, yeah, it'd have been nice to add him, but I'm not too upset that we didn't. I didn't consider it a make or break deal for our season, and I wouldn't have paid that price myself, so I'm not about to fault Ted for not doing it. The fact that Lynch was a first round pick doesn't justify overpaying for him. The #1 guy taken in that draft class is sitting in the free agents right now.

PackerLegend
10-05-2010, 09:18 PM
O Look as it gets later and later it looks more and more likely that Randy Moss is a Viking. He may be alot older but this is not good.

Would not be surprised the Vikings actually use other options besides the draft unlike the Packers.

drowe
10-05-2010, 09:41 PM
O Look as it gets later and later it looks more and more likely that Randy Moss is a Viking. He may be alot older but this is not good.

Would not be surprised the Vikings actually use other options besides the draft unlike the Packers.

meh. (that's right).

just raising the anty for this year. They're so "all in" it's ridicullous. If they really do send high draft picks to the Pats for Randy's old ass, it'll just make it all the more fun to watch when they come up short....again.

J-Mike88
10-05-2010, 09:51 PM
I'll see your Marshawn Lynch, and raise you one DeAngelo Williams.

It's not Shawn, it's Mar Shawn. And it's not
Angelo. It's De Angelo. What does it all mean?
Is that Spanish?

PackerLegend
10-05-2010, 09:56 PM
I guess we will just have to wait and see if it actually happens and for what price. They are "all in" with Favre at QB but otherwise it just really depends if they can find a capable replacement. Something that wont be easy and could cripple them for awhile. Its not like after this year they are losing tons of talent. They are pretty much just losing 1 piece but he happens to be at the most important position.

BloodBrother
10-05-2010, 10:16 PM
Vikes have other problems along with WR

like say, their aging stars not playing up to their ability so far + horrible coaching

I hope the Pats get a load in return. Vikes have no long term future right now, and I would love it to stay that way

J-Mike88
10-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Why are you all assuming Favre is done after this season?
Because he said he is?

With Moss there, I would bet that he played another season, unless he got just beat to a pulp.

GB12
10-06-2010, 12:18 AM
Why are you all assuming Favre is done after this season?
Because he said he is?

No, maybe because he kind of sucks this year and is finally showing his age.

BloodBrother
10-06-2010, 03:23 AM
I would love Favre to play another year. Keep stalling the Vikes from actually having a future at QB...and keep Childress around for another year

J-Mike88
10-06-2010, 07:02 AM
No, maybe because he kind of sucks this year and is finally showing his age.
He started slowly last year in their opening 2 games vs Cleveland and Detroit.
He also has been missing his best WR Sidney Rice.

Anyone here might remember how he suffered in 2004 or 5 (can't remember which year) the season Javon Walker tore his ACL in the opening game? He sucked when that happened, not because he was old all of a sudden.

That's why the Vikings have made such a hard play for Vincent Jackson, and now Randy Moss.

I hate that team, but I admire them for using all means necessary in today's NFL to assemble their roster and plug holes, upgrade talent.

I remember a time when our GM went out and brought in guys like Reggie White, Andre Rison, Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Eugene Robinson, Santana Dotson, Don Beebe, etc.... to go along with guys drafted. We even overcame losing our top WR TWO times (Sterling & Brooks).

Hawk
10-06-2010, 07:20 AM
I'd be down for bringing back Ron Wolf

BloodBrother
10-06-2010, 12:19 PM
You do know that times are different compared to back then, right? Even Wolf said he wouldn't be able to cut it in today's NFL

J-Mike88
10-06-2010, 12:20 PM
You do know that times are different compared to back then, right?
Please explain. We're talking about tools of assembling a roster. Not hair styles, etc.

TitleTown088
10-06-2010, 02:49 PM
Holy crap, screw injuries.

Barnett might miss significant time. Nick Collins sounds like he's might be out for the Washington game.

PackerLegend
10-06-2010, 03:14 PM
The ****? Is our entire team made of glass? Every day I feel worse and worse about our chances.

umphrey
10-06-2010, 04:51 PM
We were really lucky last year. I'm hoping we can survive the next couple weeks until backup arrives from the PUP and a little later the bye week comes up. It's almost entirely our defense, which sucks, because we would be OK with some injuries on offense as long as it's not ARodg or Ryan Grant (crap).

Most of the injured guys can be 100% by the playoffs if they don't suffer setbacks. Except for Grant, we didn't lose anyone vital to IR. I really liked Morgan Burnett though.

PackerLegend
10-06-2010, 04:53 PM
This is what I found on Barnett.

per rotoworld
Packers coach Mike McCarthy revealed Wednesday that ILB Nick Barnett (wrist) is "definitely" in danger of missing "significant" time.Barnett played with a cast on his wrist to finish Week 4, but it sounds like he may have a fracture, dislocation, or at least a severe sprain. He's going for a second medical opinion. If Barnett can't play in Week 5 (and he seems doubtful at best), the Redskins' ground game would get a matchup boost.

Didnt see anything really on Collins.

umphrey
10-06-2010, 04:58 PM
At least Chillar is healthy (oh wait). Here's the chance you've been waiting for Desmond Bishop. You might have to play every defensive snap plus normal special teams duties. Better be in shape.

PackerLegend
10-06-2010, 05:21 PM
God I hope not. I think Bishop is overrated and not very good. Here is to him proving me wrong I just don't believe it will happen.

GB12
10-06-2010, 05:52 PM
According to that source, it was his understanding that Thompson offered a fourth-round pick next year and a player for Lynch. The source said the ones he offered were not low level players, meaning they were probably borderline starters or top backups.

He tried .

TitleTown088
10-06-2010, 07:07 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/104451894.html

Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett could be headed for his second season-ending surgery in three years.

According to multiple sources, the initial diagnosis on his right wrist is that Barnett will need surgery to repair it.

Son of a *****. That would hurt, big time. Especially with Chillar's status being in doubt as well.

GB12
10-06-2010, 07:10 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


Good thing we didn't trade Hawk I guess

TitleTown088
10-06-2010, 07:13 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


Good thing we didn't trade Hawk I guess

It's gonna hurt regardless if that's the case.

Of course all this crap happens right before Favre comes to Lambeau.

Guess Bisops and Hawk will both be getting that playing time they wanted. Time to step up.

GB12
10-06-2010, 07:19 PM
Well of course, but I'd much rather be starting Hawk than Maurice Simpkins

umphrey
10-06-2010, 07:39 PM
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PackerLegend
10-06-2010, 08:01 PM
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senormysterioso
10-06-2010, 08:03 PM
This is Hawks opportunity to step up and justify his draft position...says the hopeless optimist

Also this...
The NFL wheeling and dealing might not be done. The Packers still need a running back after losing Ryan Grant. The Panthers, their season already over, could shop DeAngelo Williams. They might deal Steve Smith, too, if they really want to overhaul their roster.
Who doesn't love completely baseless speculation to get an entire fan-bases hopes up.

tjsunstein
10-06-2010, 08:10 PM
God damnit.

Mr.Regular
10-06-2010, 08:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

J-Mike88
10-06-2010, 09:49 PM
M***** F***** Injuries.
Is there anything that can be done to cut down on the amount of injuries in this game?

Maybe we can move the versatile Duck Tape Spencer Havner over to linebacker.

J-Mike88
10-06-2010, 09:56 PM
Tauscher might be out too, with Bulaga taking his place. That's fine, as long as Clifton doesn't go down too. Which he could.

Collins out maybe, the same time as Burnett is done, and Bigby still out. So our top 3 safeties could be out.

Harris
Bigby
Starks
Grant
Harrell
Burnett
Collins
Barnett

Okay, that's enough for the year thanks.

Super.

BloodBrother
10-06-2010, 10:01 PM
OH great, Schefter reporting that Nick Barnett is DONE for the season


this is a travesty. Injuries can derail a season so ****** quickly, and it seems the Packers are gonna get NO luck at all this year. The entire defense is ****** ravaged

Lets recap:

Out for the year:

Nick Barnett - starting ILB
Morgan Burnett - Starting Safety
Ryan Grant - Starting RB
Justin Harrell - Backup DE
Johnny Jolly(due to his off field garbage) - Starting DE

Players nursing injuries:

Sam Shields - #3 CB
Brandon Chillar - starting ILB(who, from the looks of it, will be out for a bit. No guarantee that his season to isn't over)
Nick Collins - starting safety
Chad Clifton - starting LT
Mark Tauscher - starting RT
Cullen Jenkins - starting RDE
Al Harris - #2 CB recovering from torn ACL
Atari Bigby - backup/starter? on PUP from having surgery as well
James Starks - backup RB

am I missing anybody? Chillar isn't even a guarantee to last the season either. This sunday the packers are gonna roll out a defense with 2 new starters at ILB and 2 new safeties. What the ****, man

I'm so pissed right now at this bad luck. Injuries hit every team every year, but in order to get far, you have to have a bit of luck where its nothing too serious. Packers already have lost a few key contributors to the team for the year, with other key guys nursing some injuries as well. This is all only 4 games into the freakin season to. What a joke

GB12
10-06-2010, 10:49 PM
Maybe we can move the versatile Duck Tape Spencer Havner over to linebacker.

He's in Detroit.

Mr.Regular
10-06-2010, 11:04 PM
From Super Bowl favourites to not even best in our division in one week. Wooopee.

Nothing says Champs like Brandon Jackson and Desmond Bishop lining up as starters.

TitleTown088
10-06-2010, 11:16 PM
OH great, Schefter reporting that Nick Barnett is DONE for the season




It's looking that way, but keep in mind he's seeing another doctor friday about it. Maybe there is hope..

GB12
10-06-2010, 11:37 PM
Woodson was named NFC defensive player of the week after having a career-high 14 tackles and 48-yard interception return for a touchdown against the Lions.

He has won the award a franchise-record four times. Reggie White took it three times.Wow I didn't even realize he had that many tackles.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 09:29 AM
Wow I didn't even realize he had that many tackles.
And what's amazing about that is this: Before escaping Oakland, where people said he was washed up, he was BRITTLE like Will Blackmon, and missed games all the time.
Now he's been our iron man while everyone else gets hurt.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 09:32 AM
Havner: He's in Detroit.
That's right, we kept Tom Crabtree instead to bolster our running game and special teams.

RockJock07
10-07-2010, 11:59 AM
This is time for Desmond Bishop to step up, he's wanted the opportunity to start, now he needs to play well.

Also, with the comments of Aaron about finding this team's identity does it seem like there is a disconnect between him and MM and the other coaches or is this just frustration from barely beating the Lions?

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 01:26 PM
This team needs at least a threat of a dangerous RB.

Defenses now don't even care about worrying about our running game.
They totally scheme their defense to go after Arod, to bottle up Finley, and to take away Jennings deep.

How many deep ones have we hit to Jennings thru 4 games now?

Our OL is not good enough to sit back and be asked to pass block all day long. I know Rodgers wants to pass all the time, and me as his owner in Fantasy would like that. But he'll get killed.... defenses who know we're passing all the time can slow us down, and they can hammer him. We need to keep those ****** defenses off-balance and guessing more often.

TitleTown088
10-07-2010, 01:48 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Packers-bracing-for-injury-news-on-Mark-Tauscher-6079.html

Bulaga time perhaps.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 01:59 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Packers-bracing-for-injury-news-on-Mark-Tauscher-6079.html

Bulaga time perhaps.
Bulaga will probably be better. That's the good news.
The bad news is we are that much closer to having to throw some s****** at RT or LT when Clifton and Tauscher go down.

I fear that Jared Allen and Ray Edwards, Brian Orakpo, Cameron Wake, D'Marcus Ware will get to feast on another POS backup tackle.

Allen has killed Rodgers and pretty much won 2 games over us because he didn't have to face a good healthy Clifton.

Losing Tauscher depletes our depth. We need, somehow, Cliffy to stay healthy now. And Bulaga too.

Is that possible this year?

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 02:10 PM
That's kind of odd coming from a guy with a username made after JerMichael Finley, a guy Thompson drafted..
What's so surprising about there being something about a guy Thompson drafted? He is solid (B+) at the draft.
The draft is what Thompson does. Period. He loves the draft. He loves to scout college men.

If he could do Groundhog day & live the Draft over every single day, he'd do that.

Let's not criticize TT's drafting ability. It's been about as good as anyone really.

umphrey
10-07-2010, 03:40 PM
Aaron Rodgers has to play at a Peyton Manning level now. He has to score points with trustworthy receivers and overcome the deficiencies of every other unit on the team. Hopefully he can do well enough to get us into the playoffs and by that time some guys are healthy and some new starters have settled into their roles.

Post Favre, this quote made me feel so good inside:
During the open locker room session, I got a chance to ask quarterback Aaron Rodgers if was frustrated that Thompson hadn't acquired Lynch, his former college teammate, and this is what he had to say: "No. I mean I like our guys. I think we can win with them. Obviously, you’d never turn down a talented player. I like our guys. I don’t have any frustration."
He paused, and then added:
"That’s not my decision. That’s (the front office’s) decision. So, I think I just realize you can have requests or wants or needs, and I’m not saying Lynch was one of them because I never once said anything to the personnel department about Lynch. You guys asked me, and I said, 'Bring it on. You can’t have enough players.' But that’s not my place. I play, they make those decisions, coaches coach."
Also, with the comments of Aaron about finding this team's identity does it seem like there is a disconnect between him and MM and the other coaches or is this just frustration from barely beating the Lions?

1. I CAN'T STAND it when people say a team needs to find an identity. All it means is they are bad at everything and they have to get good at something. It's like saying they have to play better or score more points. Worse, it's saying they should only try to do one thing well and be content with sucking in other areas.
2. The Lions game was frustrating to watch but we are 3-1 with our only loss being an extremely hard fought game in Chicago on MNF that we had multiple chances to win. I don't think anyone is frustrated on the team except the guys who are frustrated their bodies are falling apart. I think the media is putting out way too much negative hype to create a story about an otherwise uneventful Lions game.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 04:39 PM
.........I think the media is putting out way too much negative hype to create a story .......
The media isn't creating anything here.

Acquiring Randy Moss is a big deal, as many of us said in 2007 when we could have had him.

Acquiring Marshawn Lynch would have been a big deal.

Losing Ryan Grant, Justine Harrell, Nick Barnett, Morgan Burnett and maybe Mark Tauscher for the year in the first 1/4 of the season is a big **** deal. Some teams get good luck during a season, some get bad luck. We seem to be having one of those years.... and there's so much time to go.

I always b*tched at people who thought Ryan Grant was no good. Finally I am hearing some of them admit he was better/more important than they thought.

Now, we can't close the door on things yet. We are 3-1, haven't played even at our B+ level yet on offense, and the trade deadline is still 12 days away so Ted still has time to trade for some help at RB, maybe safety too.

More teams will be out of it after 2 more games are played.... maybe Carolina cleans house.... although they play the Bears this week in Carolina, they could win that game. Then they have their bye so might be a good time to trade for DeAngelo Williams if they're 0-5.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 05:20 PM
Five Packers players did not participate in the team’s Thursday practice, including starting LB Nick Barnett, who is widely expected to miss the remainder of the season after injuring his wrist in the Week Four win over Detroit.

The other players who did not participate, according to the team’s Thursday injury report, were LB Brandon Chillar (shoulder), FB Quinn Johnson (glute), rookie nickel CB Sam Shields (calf) and starting ORT Mark Tauscher (shoulder). Two key starters in the secondary — FS Nick Collins (knee) and LCB Charles Woodson (toe) — participated on a limited basis.

Four other players listed on the report fully participated in the practice — starting OLT Chad Clifton (knee), starting DRE Cullen Jenkins (hand), S Derrick Martin (ankle) and S Charlie Peprah (quadriceps).


Rookie OT Bryan Bulaga on his biggest adjustment while taking snaps at right tackle: "Getting down in the right-hand stance and run blocking is OK. It's just really getting the pass set down. Sliding out and kicking out is really a big difference."

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/10/07/packers-fs-collins-practices-on-limited-basis

Boston
10-07-2010, 08:07 PM
1. I CAN'T STAND it when people say a team needs to find an identity. All it means is they are bad at everything and they have to get good at something. It's like saying they have to play better or score more points. Worse, it's saying they should only try to do one thing well and be content with sucking in other areas.

I don't mind it at all actually. Every team is going to have certain things they do good certain things they do bad. Finding an identity is simply realizing your limitations as a team and building on the positives.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 10:46 PM
I don't mind it at all actually. Every team is going to have certain things they do good certain things they do bad. Finding an identity is simply realizing your limitations as a team and building on the positives.
Very well-said Boston.
McCarthy has done that very well actually.
Remember the 2007 season?
He learned early that we couldn't run the football, so he invented the 5-Wide.

It worked for the time-being. Then Ryan Grant was born.

J-Mike88
10-08-2010, 09:54 AM
Good article from the good folks over at PackersInsider, Rob Reischel:
http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/green-bay-packers-have-many-issues-to-settle-to-reach-super-bowl/

But for the Packers to eventually become anything more than a pretender, there's a laundry list of items they need to clean up. Those include woeful special teams, a ground game bordering on comedic and a defense that's springing holes by the week.

Can a team with this many problems be considered a legitimate Super Bowl contender?
As for (former 2nd round draft pick) Brandon Jackson, who is not strong, decisive or fast, he averaged 3.7 yards per carry against Detroit and five of his nine carries were for 2 yards, or less.

The NFL trading deadline is Oct. 19, and it's a virtual certainty former general manager Ron Wolf would have made a move.

In 1998, for example, Dorsey Levens broke his leg on Sept. 13. Sixteen days later, Wolf traded a fourth-round draft pick to Buffalo for Darick Holmes, who became the Packers' leading rusher that season.

Current G.M. Ted Thompson - a Wolf protťgť - has had more than three weeks to respond since Ryan Grant's season-ending ankle injury. Does Thompson really think the Kuhn-Jackson tandem can take a team with Super Bowl aspirations to the big game?
• Defense: Detroit entered the game 22nd in the NFL in total offense after finishing 26th in that category a year ago. On Sunday at the Packers, the Lions looked like the San Francisco 49ers of the 1980s.
But there was no excuse for the Packers allowing journeyman quarterback Shaun Hill to carve them up for 331 passing yards and two touchdowns.

The No. 1 memory for Packer fans from 2009 is Green Bay's shaky pass defense costing the team games. These Packers haven't even hit the meat of their schedule, where Minnesota's Brett Favre, Dallas' Tony Romo, Atlanta's Matt Ryan, New England's Tom Brady and the New York Giants' Eli Manning all await.

If Shaun Hill could pick apart the Packers - largely on screen and short passes - what will the league's big boy quarterbacks do?
Two of Green Bay's wins have come against teams that are a combined 0-8 (Buffalo and Detroit). Between now and the Packers' bye week on Nov. 14, they'll face three teams that made it to the divisional playoffs in 2009 (Minnesota, New York Jets and Dallas) and improved outfits in Washington and Miami.

GB12
10-08-2010, 01:29 PM
Shaun Hill did not "carve them up". He put up 331 yards, but that's because he threw it 54 times. If you throw 50 passes you damn well better break 300 yards.

J-Mike88
10-08-2010, 02:26 PM
Shaun Hill did not "carve them up". He put up 331 yards, but that's because he threw it 54 times. If you throw 50 passes you damn well better break 300 yards.
He converted 10 (TEN!) Third down conversions in the ballgame, and many of them were 3rd & long.

GB12
10-09-2010, 06:13 PM
Posted this as advice in the fantasy thread, but it's pretty interesting.

The most yards we have given up to a running back is 64 to Marshawn Lynch. Our run defense has been very strong, but the stats have been skewed from QBs. 205 of the 473 yards we've allowed on the ground have come from the quarterbacks.

J-Mike88
10-10-2010, 06:59 AM
Let's give it up for Tramon Williams.

Packers cornerback Tramon Williams is off to a terrific start, and has allowed just two catches for 10 yards through the first four games. In both the Buffalo and Detroit games, Williams didn't allow a single catch.

"He's been our best secondary player the first four weeks," Packers cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. said of Williams. "I wouldn't have guessed he'd be playing better than 21 (Charles Woodson), but he has.

"If his name was Champ (Bailey) or (Darrelle) Revis, people would say he's having a Pro Bowl year."

Bob McGinn's article from 5 weeks ago was pretty good about Tramon.
http://packersinsider.com/2010/09/tramon-williams-wants-to-show-skeptics-hes-more-than-just-a-nickel-back/

PackerLegend
10-10-2010, 07:15 PM
Man what a year to get raped by injuries. The NFC is not very good. If we were relatively healthly and didnt blow 2 games we would be in amazing shape.

Atlanta 4-1
Chicago 4-1
Tampa Bay 3-1

Washington 3-2
Arizona 3-2
NY Giants 3-2
Packers 3-2
New Orleans 3-2

Seattle 2-2
Philadelphia 2-2
St Louis 2-3

Minnesota 1-2
Dallas 1-3
Detroit 1-4

San Francisco 0-4
Carolina 0-5

We are just decimated by injuries I think we would be lucky to make the playoffs at this point. It just sucks, none of the assumed powerhouses look very good as of now and I don't think any of the NFC teams are good.

EvilMonkey
10-10-2010, 07:20 PM
From PFT

We noted earlier that in addition to losing a game to the Redskins, the Green Bay Packers lost four players to injuries today.

And we didn't even know the biggest injury of all.

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers suffered a concussion in the Packers' loss.

The Packers haven't offered much information about what happened, but Rodgers appeared to have been hurt on his last pass of the game, which was intercepted. Rodgers will need to be medically cleared before he can practice this week, or play next Sunday against the Dolphins.

link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/10/packers-dealt-another-blow-aaron-rodgers-suffers-concussion/

EvilMonkey
10-10-2010, 07:20 PM
double-post apparently...

PackerLegend
10-10-2010, 08:16 PM
I wouldn't feel to bad with Flynn against the Dolphins if we were healthy but this will be 1 hell of a challenge to overcome.

J-Mike88
10-10-2010, 08:23 PM
All the ******* injuries make me sick to my stomach, like Crosby said he feels after missing the game-winning FG high off the post.

That kick was dead-center halfway to the goal posts, and hooked a lot. It seemed the wind was also going to the left.

If there is a football God, he's obviously been very, very, very mad at our team this year.

We've had all the bounces go against us, more injuries than ever, bad calls made on us, and missed against our opponents.

Tell me what about the helmet-to-helmet hit on Rodgers on the Int wasn't as bad as the Zombo helmet-to-chin hit on Cutler? Had they messed those 2 calls up the other ways, we'd be 5-0.

Donald Lee's fumble caused Finley to get hurt. Then when Lee scored, he celebrated into the first rown with some Packer fans.
Amazingly, he never returned to the game with a mysterious should injury. I'd like to know when he suffered it. The TD catch was his last play.

J-Mike88
10-10-2010, 08:24 PM
All the ******* injuries make me sick to my stomach, like Crosby said he feels after missing the game-winning FG high off the post.

That kick was dead-center halfway to the goal posts, and hooked a lot. It seemed the wind was also going to the left.

If there is a football God, he's obviously been very, very, very mad at our team this year.

We've had all the bounces go against us, more injuries than ever, bad calls made on us, and missed against our opponents.

Tell me what about the helmet-to-helmet hit on Rodgers on the Int wasn't as bad as the Zombo helmet-to-chin hit on Cutler? Had they messed those 2 calls up the other ways, we'd be 5-0.

Donald Lee's fumble caused Finley to get hurt. Then when Lee scored, he celebrated into the first rown with some Packer fans.
Amazingly, he never returned to the game with a mysterious should injury. I'd like to know when he suffered it. The TD catch was his last play.

Great article by Bob McGinn (http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/packers-gm-thompsons-pick-of-harrell-stands-as-gms-biggest-folly/) with some insight into the behind the scenes during the Packers infamous 2006 draft malfunction.

umphrey
10-10-2010, 08:48 PM
The injury situation has gone from horrible to you can't do anything but laugh. Lets take a look at our defense:

Safeties: We don't have a single healthy safety on the roster right now. Unless you consider Jarrett Bush a safety.
-Nick Collins played through a knee injury that most players wouldn't play through, and he went down at least once during the game.
-Atari Bigby is on the PUP
-Morgan Burnett is on IR
-Charlie Peprah played through a quadriceps injury
-Derrick Martin is in so much pain from his ankle that he's on crutches

Over to the cornerbacks:
-Charles Woodson plays through a toe injury virtually every game
-Harris is still on the PUP
-Underwood is playing with a shoulder brace I think if he's even playing
-Shields is out with a calf

And the linebackers, where we have a total of 4 healthy guys to play 4 spots
-Barnett is probably IRed
-Chillar out with shoulder
-Brad Jones playing with knee injury
-Zombo's knee is being monitored by the docs
-CM3 has the same hamstring problem

And last the DL, where again, we only have 3 truly healthy guys to play 3 spots
-Pickett's out a week at least with an ankle
-Mike Neal is still playing with sore ribs
-Cullen Jenkins is playing with 1 hand
-Harrell got IRed
-Jolly got suspended

That is 19 injuries on defense alone and we can't even field a defense without guys playing through injuries that they shouldn't have to play through. We started with 27. Them me re state that: 19 of 27 defensive players are out or playing hurt. Over 70% of our defense is injured.

PackerLegend
10-10-2010, 09:08 PM
Sure would be nice to have a bye week right now. Well theres always next year (maybe not with CBA). I hope we somehow hold together but if we dont it should make our schedule a bit easier next year and a better draft pick but neithers a guarantee. Hopefully our team wont suffer the injury bug next year, how nice I know!

QB - Awesome obviously
RB - Grant back and hopefully add help
FB- Ok
WR - Should remain good
TE - Should be beastly
O-Line - WHO KNOWS!

D-Line - Should be beastly
LB - Get healthly hopefully find another CM3.
CB - Yikes.. Woodson and Harris a year older. Harris is still an unknown. We got Tramon but everything else is a blur.
S - Morgan Burnett back and others healthy again

Alots going to change but what would you like to see addressed next year? CB, HB are two I really want addressed. It would also be nice to see more LB, O-line help and a dangerous KR/PR.

umphrey
10-10-2010, 10:04 PM
We are 3-2 and far from out of it. We get a few reinforcements off the PUP soon and maybe guys heal up or their replacements hit the ground running. For example Mike Neal, Charlie Peprah and Desmond Bishop all played very well today. This is a team that has to hold down the fort for the next 8 weeks then catch a hot streak.

BloodBrother
10-10-2010, 10:25 PM
Far from otu of it, but the injuries continue to mount, and without Finley and Clay, especially Clay, I don't know how much more they can do. If both those guys are out next week, including Rodgers, I don't see how they win

not to mention I'm just not digging what I'm seeing from McCarthy

NFC is still wide open, which is why it sucks to see these injuries. Diggin themselves an early hole, wont be easy to overcome it. They SHOULD be 5-0, both losses were just awful play by the team and bad decisions/playcalling by the coach

Boston
10-10-2010, 11:49 PM
McCarthy needs to start adapting to these injuries or he should be out of a job after the season. I hate to feel like the fan that gets mad at the end of a difficult loss but it just doesn't seem like he knows how to adapt his gameplan over the course of a season, he can't acknowledge what his team can and can't and he can't make a gameplan that can play to our strengths.

Look at Capers for example, our defense played fantastic today despite a ridiculous amount of injuries, you could just kind of tell that rather then fit the players we had into the same game plan we've had all year he made an attempt to alter the game plan to accomadate the strengths and weaknesses we were playing with for that game.

I don't know, maybe I am just frustrated and upset, but I'm tired of not seeing any adjustments out of McCarthy whatsoever despite all the injuries.

J-Mike88
10-11-2010, 09:15 AM
McCarthy made some mistakes yesterday, but second-guessing the 4th & goal play.... that's a great play if it scores. If we can't score from the half-foot line, perhaps we don't deserve the game.

He called 6-7 good plays that resulted in dropped passes, 4 of them by Driver. We can't blame the coach for that.

We can't blame the coach for Crosby clanking the post.

We can blame him for not running the ball enough, for sure. Not only were we running pretty well, but it takes pressure off the OTs and Rodgers because the defense is dead-set on stopping Rodgers and the pass, and their #1 objective is to crush Rodgers ever single dropback.

The thing I notices were that at least 4 of the decent runs, they appeared to be audibles at the line by Rodgers. They usually got 5-7 yards.

We're not out of anything yet, and our best guys other than Grant and Barnett perhaps won't be out all season, so we have hope, plus nobody in the whole NFC is more than 1 game above us at this point. Our offense can't play much worse than it did yesterday, as far as points scored.

We need to find a way for Jennings to get open more again. He's our weapon and hasn't done anything yet deep.

J-Mike88
10-11-2010, 10:03 AM
http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/green-bay-packers-dealing-with-the-pain-truth/

From mykunt (Mike Hunt) of Packer Insider OS Online. What a great name he has.... Porky's right?

TitleTown088
10-11-2010, 12:07 PM
Finley and Barnett to have surgery tomorrow.

Need Quarless to step up while Finley is out.

drowe
10-11-2010, 01:05 PM
Finley and Barnett to have surgery tomorrow.

Need Quarless to step up while Finley is out.

pretty good injury news on PFT.

Barnett could be back.

Finley out until the bye.

CM3 not as severe of an injury as the one in training camp.

A-Rod----seems likely to play if ya read between the lines.

tjsunstein
10-11-2010, 01:11 PM
pretty good injury news on PFT.

Barnett could be back.

Finley out until the bye.

CM3 not as severe of an injury as the one in training camp.

A-Rod----seems likely to play if ya read between the lines.
Definitely not good.

We have the personnel on offense to get through this mess but Capers will have to work some magic on the defensive side.

roughrider30
10-11-2010, 01:23 PM
pretty good injury news on PFT.

Barnett could be back.

Finley out until the bye.

CM3 not as severe of an injury as the one in training camp.

A-Rod----seems likely to play if ya read between the lines.

Thats a very big could. They're saying maybe 8 weeks, and thats if they keep a roster for him which they say isn't likely with all these injuries. There's still a chance which is nice, but it's still not looking very good.

tjsunstein
10-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Is it time to deal? RB, LB, etc,.? Who's available aside from DeAngelo Williams? Any names on the defensive side of the ball?

TitleTown088
10-11-2010, 01:43 PM
Is it time to deal? RB, LB, etc,.? Who's available aside from DeAngelo Williams? Any names on the defensive side of the ball?

DeAngelo Williams is available?

cvv84
10-11-2010, 02:18 PM
Finley and Barnett to have surgery tomorrow.

Need Quarless to step up while Finley is out.

I thought he had a pretty good game seeing it was his 1st major action. Obviously he'll need to be a better blocker but Rodgers was showing some faith in the kid as the game went on. Amazing though that we're down to 2 TEs after starting the season with 4.

J-Mike88
10-11-2010, 02:25 PM
Definitely not good.

We have the personnel on offense to get through this mess but Capers will have to work some magic on the defensive side.
How convenient for the ****** Vikings. They never get us at even close to full strength.
Jared Allen always gets to go against a backup LT.

No Finley. No Havner. I believe Havner scored 2 TDs against them last year, and we all remember what J-Mike did against them in the plastic dome last year.

I'd sure like to play them even vs even for once. Ironic that everyone questioned Adrian Peterson's durability coming out of Oklahoma.

Meanwhile, we are calling up guys from AA now to field a roster. It's b****.
Such bad luck... hits the post from 53 yards out, about 20 feet high?

J-Mike88
10-11-2010, 02:43 PM
From Bedard:

Something about Sunday's loss to the Redskins and the passing game just did not add up for me. Something was off but I was having a hard time putting my finger on it.

I'm not saying I have all the answers -- or any -- but I just wanted to point out Aaron Rodgers' stats before and after the early second-quarter sneak in which he took a hard hit to the head:

C A Y TD INT Rating
Before sneak 13 16 149 1 0 126.03
After sneak 14 30 144 0 1 47.1

The drops obviously factor into that, but the Packers always have a few drops a game.

I'd be willing to bet that Rodgers has never had a stretch like that in his young career.

Something's not right.

J-Mike88
10-11-2010, 02:45 PM
My question for anyone who DVR'd the game is where did the guy come from that smashed Rodgers head-to-head on that OT interception.
Who should have blocked him?

From McCarthy:

•LB Nick Barnett (wrist) and TE Jermichael Finley (knee) will have surgery in the coming days. It is now known whether either is season-ending. McCarthy said he would be surprised if Finley's surgery is season-ending. Finley's surgery will be Tuesday.
•"I would be surprised if it’s season-ending, but anytime you go in for surgery, obviously it’s something you have to take the time to evaluate and once Dr. McKenzie does the surgery, we’ll have more information on the time frame," McCarthy said on Finley's surgery.
•With Barnett, they won't know if he can return until they are in there and doing the surgery. He will have surgery on Wednesday.
•"When you’re dealing with his particular injury, they really won’t know until they get in there," McCarthy said of Barnett's surgery. "That’s really the fact of the matter. So we’re holding out hope."
•On how long they can wait for a recovery: "Anytime you deal with injuries, particularly this time of year, when you get up into the 6 to 8-week mark, those are tough decisions to make. But every injury is different. The fact that individuals are having surgery, we should have a pretty clear-cut view of exactly, based on the individual, the history of the individual, how the medical staff feels and so forth. I really can’t speculate if we’re going to hold onto one player as opposed to another."
•Aaron Rodgers will miss at a minimum some practice time this week. McCarthy acknowledged he could miss the next game.
•McCarthy on when the injury occurred: "The concussion did occur on the last play. That thing was fairly evident, just based on the communication. There was no evidence or even talk of Aaron during the course of the fourth quarter. But he took a helmet-to-helmet blow there on the last play, and if you watch the tape, just the way he reacted and so forth, that’s when it did occur."
•LB Clay Matthews, they got good news with his hamstring strain. Don't think it's as bad in the past.
•Ryan Pickett with his ankle sprain, no timetable.
•Derrick Martin (knee) will at least miss a couple weeks. He could be out for the season from the sound of it.
•"We need to catch the ball."
•McCarthy thinks it's "convenient" to say the Packers should have run the ball more in a game they led throughout and had a solid per-carry average. McCarthy pointed to third downs as a reason why the point total was not where it needed to be.
•Brandon Chillar will return to practice this week with a trial practice. He'll see how it goes and the team will re-evaluate.
•TE Donald Lee (chest sprain) could miss a couple weeks.

PackerLegend
10-11-2010, 04:18 PM
We get a few reinforcements off the PUP soon and maybe guys heal up or their replacements hit the ground running..

I dont get why everyone is relying on the PUP players. Sure we get 3 guys but lets be realistic. Al Harris is 35 coming off a major knee injury and has not played in a year. Who knows what we can expect but dont get your hopes up all that high. Atari Bigby has made big plays but not in awhile. He should be the most help with all the injuries at safety. He isnt all the consistent and its not like we are getting a Jenkins, Matthews or Woodson caliber player back. James Starks has yet to even practice let alone play in a game since he got here. Harris and Bigby will be nice to have but dont expect to much. Plus it just means someone else is cut or more likely on the IR. We do have a long road to go but we will need to have our luck change thats for sure.

umphrey
10-11-2010, 05:32 PM
I dont get why everyone is relying on the PUP players. Sure we get 3 guys but lets be realistic. Al Harris is 35 coming off a major knee injury and has not played in a year. Who knows what we can expect but dont get your hopes up all that high. Atari Bigby has made big plays but not in awhile. He should be the most help with all the injuries at safety. He isnt all the consistent and its not like we are getting a Jenkins, Matthews or Woodson caliber player back. James Starks has yet to even practice let alone play in a game since he got here. Harris and Bigby will be nice to have but dont expect to much. Plus it just means someone else is cut or more likely on the IR. We do have a long road to go but we will need to have our luck change thats for sure.

I'm not expecting much but considering all 4 of our safeties are hurt getting Bigby back actually will help a lot. And Starks, he can be a Ryan Grant type runner that we don't have. I think he'll get hurt too much or play too timid, but he might be the 1st and 2nd down running back we need. And Harris gets Jarrett Bush off the field. Nuff said. Although I should mention Bush has played OK this year.

Realistically if we want to go anywhere this year we need guys like Desmond Bishop, Bryan Bulaga, Mike Neal, Frank Zombo to really turn it on.

TBH, I really wish Barnett didn't get hurt, but Bishop is a similar player so he might be able to pick it up. In the end it might be a blessing in disguise because he's in a contract year and we can give him long term playing time to see if we want him, and not piss him off by making him sit on the bench his entire career so far.

cvv84
10-11-2010, 05:57 PM
TBH, I really wish Barnett didn't get hurt, but Bishop is a similar player so he might be able to pick it up. In the end it might be a blessing in disguise because he's in a contract year and we can give him long term playing time to see if we want him, and not piss him off by making him sit on the bench his entire career so far.

I feel like he fits the defense much better as well. Can't trust him in pass coverage but when the play is in front of him the guy is pretty impressive.

RockJock07
10-11-2010, 10:56 PM
You really can't blame injuries on anyone, it's part of the game but it just makes me sick. Losing Grant is one thing however losing 3 LB, 2 DL, 1 safety, is brutal.

I guess we can comfort that everyone in the NFC blows and whoever gets to the SB will be the hottest team at the time but jeez, the Pack can't catch a break this season.

The injuries along with bad play has been killing this team. If they want to throw the ball all over the field, fine by me but driver and others cant drop easy passes that kill drives.

Ted has build this team with depth and allowed the coaches to coach up the backups but these injuries could be to much to overcome. Lots of football ahead but does anyone feel good about the next 4-5 weeks?

umphrey
10-12-2010, 12:11 AM
Another big problem is they haven't been throwing deep much at all. DBs have zero cushion respecting the deep ball right now. It's a big reason why receivers have been getting drilled over the middle so often. It's lead to dropped passes for fear of getting drilled. It's lead to very small windows to throw to. It's a reason why we gain so many yards and don't score. If you try to throw 3-8 yard passes 80 yards for a score, it's very very difficult to execute to near perfection that many accurate throws, catches, reads, etc. and a single mistake typically leads to a third and long or an interception.

J-Mike88
10-12-2010, 12:31 AM
Well at least that puts a better taste in our mouths for the end of the week.
Classic Favre late!

He must have thought it was a playoff game.

Now the Cowboys at the Vikings, both teams at 1-3... one of them falls to 1-4, but the other goes to 2-3.

We need to beat Miami and go to 4-2.

This should make any Packer fan feel a little happier: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b433ac/Lowery-seals-the-Jets-victory?module=HP_video

J-Mike88
10-12-2010, 12:24 PM
Here are some more bits that should bring some smiles to your faces.
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/29783/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/29783/612/richmedia/vikes-jets--favre_fumble1.mp3

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/29783/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/29783/612/richmedia/vikes-jets--favre_fumble2.mp3

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/29783/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/29783/612/richmedia/vikes-jets--lowery_int_td.mp3 <PRICELESS

J-Mike88
10-12-2010, 12:47 PM
I asked Andrew Brandt today if he could check with Mike Perreira (former head of officiating) why Zombo's helmet-to-chin on Cutler was a penalty but the helmet to head one on Rodgers wasn't.

His answer was "The Packers are asking that too".
http://twitter.com/packersinsider

cvv84
10-12-2010, 04:06 PM
Another big problem is they haven't been throwing deep much at all. DBs have zero cushion respecting the deep ball right now. It's a big reason why receivers have been getting drilled over the middle so often. It's lead to dropped passes for fear of getting drilled. It's lead to very small windows to throw to. It's a reason why we gain so many yards and don't score. If you try to throw 3-8 yard passes 80 yards for a score, it's very very difficult to execute to near perfection that many accurate throws, catches, reads, etc. and a single mistake typically leads to a third and long or an interception.

I'm not so concerned about the deep ball as I am about not running many slants and utilizing all our offensive firepower in the 5 wide. I like when we split our TEs out wide and force the matchup in our favor. I don't see alot that lately out of our offense. Instead of creating the matchup we seem to be trying to work around the defense. I'm fine with these short passes because our receivers are so good after the catch and afterall thats what kept the Lions in that game with us.

Its a huge adjustment that our offense has to make without a threat of a run game so its going to take some time to figure out. At least if we ran a power scheme I feel like our run game would be at the very least a moderate threat. If we're keeping these guys on our roster, i.e. Brandon Jackson, that are supposedly zone blocking scheme runners and we aren't able to run the ball then I think we have to look more closely at the effectiveness of the system.

tjsunstein
10-12-2010, 08:14 PM
Saints signed safety Matt Giordano and running back Julius Jones and released kicker John Carney and waived running back DeShawn Wynn.

A lot of familiar names here.

J-Mike88
10-12-2010, 08:22 PM
I thought Julius Jones would have been a nice (free) addition.
The Cowboys running game hasn't looked better after he left, and nobody looks good in Seattle. He's, what, 3 years younger than his brother Thomas?
At least DeShawn Wynn is free again, haha.

Green Bay -- The Packers were busy trying out players Tuesday, according to a source with access to the NFL transaction wire.

In for workouts were:

•Stecker, Aaron RB Western Illinois
•Douglas, Dominic LB Mississippi State
•Greco, Michael DB Central Florida
•Jackson, Cardia LB Louisiana-Monroe
•Octavien, Steve LB Nebraska
•Rivera, Mike LB Kansas
•Robinson, Lee LB Alcorn State

Stecker, who played at Ashwaubenon High School, retired in April, but apparently is looking to get back into the NFL after 11 seasons. He rushed for 1,526 yards during a career in which he probably was best known as a kick returner. The Packers were interested in working him out last year before he signed with Atlanta at mid-season

Stecker had a career kickoff return average of 23.1 yards. His best season was in 2001 with Tampa Bay when he averaged 28.8 yards.

Douglas was an undrafted free agent who spent time on St. Louis' practice squad last year. Greco is a former Central Florida quarterback who played safety in the New York Giants' training camp but was cut this summer. Jackson was undrafted and also in St. Louis' camp this summer.

Octavien played two seasons with Dallas and appeared in 16 games and totaled eight tackles. He was released on Sept. 4. Rivera was with Tennessee in training camp and played in three pre-season games. Robinson was Denver, Arizona and Tampa Bay last year, but did not play in a regular season game.

The Packers also waived linebacker Johnny Robinson from the practice squad.
Wow, that was a quick hook.

umphrey
10-12-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm not so concerned about the deep ball as I am about not running many slants and utilizing all our offensive firepower in the 5 wide. I like when we split our TEs out wide and force the matchup in our favor. I don't see alot that lately out of our offense. Instead of creating the matchup we seem to be trying to work around the defense. I'm fine with these short passes because our receivers are so good after the catch and afterall thats what kept the Lions in that game with us.

See I think we throw just as many, or more short passes than we have in the past. The slant I think they save for 3rd downs these days. It worked really well for a year, now teams expect it too much, so we stopped using it but bring it back on those critical 3rd and 6 plays.

I think you are perceiving less 5 wide or short passing simply because it isn't working well. I think it's not working well because we aren't throwing deep and cornerbacks are bearing down so tightly on our receivers. If they respect the deep ball, Driver/Jennings/whoever can catch a ball with a small but significant extra cushion between his guy, and that little bit of separation is the difference between making that 1 guy miss and next thing you have a receiver in the open field running through the secondary like it's a kick return.

We haven't gone 5 wide much, but we are going 4WR+1TE, 3WR+2TE, 3WR+1TE+1RB all the time. With Finley that's pretty much the same thing. 4WR+1RB is a great formation. Without that RB, the defensive blitzers don't think at all, they just chase the quarterback. Rodgers has to throw almost instantly, making 2 reads at best. Leave the running back in there and you can run longer developing plays if you want to. You get an extra blocker, you make the defense read run or pass, you make the defensive line hesitate in case of screen, and you get a check down option if nobody is open.

TitleTown088
10-13-2010, 10:11 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Jermichael-Finley-could-be-done-for-the-season.html

It just dosen't stop.

J-Mike88
10-13-2010, 10:20 AM
[url]
It just dosen't stop.

http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/jermichael-finleys-season-may-be-over/

DeShawn Wynn and KR Clifton Smith (the guy TT brought in back in early September, but he chose Miami) are both available now.
That doesn't help the defense, or TE.
Where's Duct Tape Spencer Havner now though?
He could be playing both ways for us, plus all 4 special teams units.

Why was Donald Lee kept over him again?

TitleTown088
10-13-2010, 10:25 AM
Why was Donald Lee kept over him again?
Because he's a better TE than him.

Martin to IR too.

J-Mike88
10-13-2010, 01:31 PM
Because he's a better TE than him.
Because why? The evidence didn't show that on the field last year and Havner was brand new to the TE position, improving each game for us.

*Packers doctors originally thought they would have to remove Finley's meniscus, which would have actually meant a quicker return to the field for the tight end. But during surgery, they discovered they could repair the meniscus, which in turn means a longer recovery but a better long term prognosis for Finley in the long run. Finley's recovery is expected to now be 8-10 weeks and the Packers are deciding whether or not to wait for his return.

*per ESPN, Shawne Merriman is about to be released by San Diego. We might need help at every defensive position by then. He's currently nursing a calf injury, but he'd be one of our healthiest guys immediately.

TT won't have to part with any draft pick.

GB12
10-13-2010, 02:05 PM
If the Chargers are releasing Shawne Merriman I don't want any part of him.

Oh and **** **** **** **** injuries. God damn.

bigboiajhawk
10-13-2010, 02:07 PM
*per ESPN, Shawne Merriman is about to be released by San Diego. We might need help at every defensive position by then. He's currently nursing a calf injury, but he'd be one of our healthiest guys immediately.

TT won't have to part with any draft pick.

LOL, you know this could be a good move, if in fact he is released, and the packers pick him up. So what if he has a terrible attitude and isn't playing up to his old level...Give him a year and he will be a beast again...I really doubt that TT would pick him up, but it would be worth hoping for if the Chargers do release him.

Also, the news about J-Mike is good, although bad for this year. I would much rather have him have all of his parts in his knees than to have his meniscus removed...

I bet you the packers are waiting a week to make their decisions because after this week, Bigby, Harris, and Starks can all be added to the roster. I would make bet that both Finley and Barnett are going on the IR.

bigboiajhawk
10-13-2010, 02:12 PM
One other thing...the injury to J-Mike will only help Quarless's development. This time next year we might have the fastest 1-2 TE group in the NFL.

GB12
10-13-2010, 02:37 PM
As much as I hate to say it, these injuries have probably killed our season. Full strength I think we're a Super Bowl front runner. Now it's looking more like first round playoff exit.

drowe
10-13-2010, 02:51 PM
I'm too lazy to look for it, but, I know I made a post here worrying that all the J-Mike hype could only mean a major knee injury. Lame.

That kills. We need our WRs to step up. Jennings and Nelson specifically. Driver had one bad game, and James Jones is quietly having a good season. Quarless can just go ahead and learn fast too.

But, yeah, this has been the most brutal year I can remember for injuries. Really kills any Superbowl thoughts. But, who knows, maybe we can still fall ass-backwards into a playoff spot.

cvv84
10-13-2010, 03:50 PM
Well one J-Mike down, one more to go.

umphrey
10-13-2010, 09:55 PM
It sucks for J Mike but I am lot happier that they were able to repair his meniscus instead of removing it even considering the consequences this season. Quarless looked really good and I'm excited to see him play.

This is starting to feel like preseason. Where winning doesn't matter you just want to see the young guys learning. I want to be clear though: I'm not giving up on this season at all. The offense is almost as strong as we thought it would be and Capers can maybe keep our defense pretty good overall. I expect our defense to be on the edge of top 10 overall on the year except give up points and penalties at exactly the wrong time.

We can still get a wildcard and then anything can happen. 10 weeks from now we might have a strong secondary with everyone except Burnett healthy, a good DL if Neal steps up and Jenkins gets his cast off and either Pickett gets healthy or Wilson/Wynn step up. The linebackers, I really like having Desmond Bishop in the line up, the group could be decent overall if Matthews' hammy stops slowing him down.

One thing is for sure: Aaron Rodgers needs to put this team on his shoulders. We have to become a team that can move the ball like the Colts can consistently getting first downs, scoring touchdowns, playing mistake free football.

Another thing: I heard Deshaun Wynn was released somewhere. Pick him up this second. We can keep him and Starks when Finley goes on IR, but I would move Starks to the practice squad to activate Wynn. Starks maybe could be good for a half season boost, but the chances aren't so good and it's not like he's a special talent that we can't just get another guy like him in the 6th next year.

umphrey
10-13-2010, 10:07 PM
If the Chargers are releasing Shawne Merriman I don't want any part of him.

I agree completely. He's clearly been declining consistently to the point where he wouldn't even be much of an upgrade over Brad Jones. The injuries have killed his athleticism, along with the lack of roids, and he's going to keep getting hurt like former juicers always do.

I bet the Jets sign him.

Zycho32
10-14-2010, 02:00 AM
Show of hands if you heard of Vernon Biever, longtime Packer Photographer.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101013/GPG0101/101013164/1207&located=rss

J-Mike88
10-14-2010, 06:26 AM
Show of hands if you heard of Vernon Biever, longtime Packer Photographer.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101013/GPG0101/101013164/1207&located=rss
I've heard of him and seen much of his good work!
RIP Mr Biever.

J-Mike88
10-14-2010, 09:44 AM
Look at this crap, and compare it to our situation with the walking and resting wounded.

Preparing for the Dolphins, a team coming off a bye week and without a single player who missed practice due to injury, was a bit tricky for the Packers. McCarthy scaled down the offense last week against Washington because he thought the team wasn't getting in and out of the huddle quickly enough, and chances are he'll have to be at least as limited as he was on Sunday.

J-Mike88
10-14-2010, 09:47 AM
I agree completely. He's clearly been declining consistently to the point where he wouldn't even be much of an upgrade .....

I bet the Jets sign him.
yeah, those *** fools who were stupid enough to sign the clearly declining LaDanian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, Antonio Cromartie, and trade a day 2 pick for Santonio Holmes.

Stupid Jets not following TT's draft-only approach. They're sacrificing their future lol. They'd be better off to just keep drafting more Vernon Gholstons and Justin Harrells.

J-Mike88
10-14-2010, 02:37 PM
Thursday:

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Quarterback Aaron Rodgers has returned to practice for the Green Bay Packers, a sign of progress in his recovery from a concussion.

Rodgers participated in the entire portion of Thursday's practice that was open to the media. The team did not go through any full-contact team drills while reporters were present.

Rodgers sustained a concussion late in Sunday's overtime loss at Washington. According to NFL guidelines for head injuries, Rodgers must be symptom-free and cleared by a team doctor and independent neurological consultant before he can play again.

jackalope
10-14-2010, 06:42 PM
Show of hands if you heard of Vernon Biever, longtime Packer Photographer.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101013/GPG0101/101013164/1207&located=rss

That's a shame. My Grandpa, also from Port Washington, knew the guy.

Pacific
10-14-2010, 06:47 PM
Spencer Havner is available once again.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20101014/SPORTS0101/10140453/1126/sports/Lions-welcome-back-linebacker-Vinny-Ciurciu

umphrey
10-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Spencer Havner is available once again.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20101014/SPORTS0101/10140453/1126/sports/Lions-welcome-back-linebacker-Vinny-Ciurciu

Well we need tight ends and linebackers...

I'm holding out hope we get D Wynn if he's still out there and have 3 RBs 3FBs 3 TEs

PackerLegend
10-14-2010, 07:09 PM
To make room, linebacker Spencer Havner was placed on the waived-injured list. Havner injured his hamstring against the Rams on Sunday.

I'll pass we already have enough injured players as it is. It would make alot of sense to bring him back but who knows when he will be 100% again.

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 08:34 AM
The Packers had two injury setbacks in their defensive rotation on Thursday when Brandon Chillar and defensive end Mike Neal missed practice because of shoulder injuries.

Morgan Burnett is on IR
Al Harris is out on PUP
Atari Bigby is out on PUP
Nick Barnett is out
Ryan Pickett is doubtful, hasn't practiced this week

The Packers’ only "healthy" defensive linemen were Cullen Jenkins, who had limited participation because of a broken hand; B.J. Raji; and rookie DE C.J. Wilson.

Hey, what happened to Jarius Wynn? Not mentioned.... did I miss another guy go on IR?

linebacker Spencer Havner was placed on the waived-injured list. Havner injured his hamstring against the Rams on Sunday..
Spencer thinks he's still on the Packers getting injured like that!
So the Lions signed him and made him go back to being a LB?
The guy made plays as a TE last year, same amount of TDs as Greg Jennings.

I would expect TT brings Havner back. I know TT's not the most active GM, but this one seems like a no-brainer at this point in time with our team as banged up as Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears' ******.

princefielder28
10-15-2010, 11:16 AM
Barnett place on IR, Michael Montgomery signed...

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 11:46 AM
52-11

That's the record this year in the NFL for the team that wins the turnover battle, even if it's just +1.

Another note I just heard from Norm: The Cowboys haven't had a single turnover from their FS position since late in the 2008 season.

Since the beginning of the 2009 season, they are dead last in turnovers forced. That means, yes, trailing teams such as the Bills, Rams, Browns, Lions, etc.

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 12:41 PM
Some notes from Bedard:


Unless Thompson is suddenly going to overpay, DeAngelo Williams isn't available. IMO, Ted missed his chance. A third for Marshawn Lynch, just to see what happens -- he's cheap so you could cut him if he becomes an issue -- should have been a done deal. And people in the building think that too. Ted should have done the deal.

I'm all for leaders emerging and holding people accountable. In my opinion, I think it works better when it comes from the players. From people I have talked to, McCarthy has changed the way he gets after players this season and for the better. But the great teams, the players police themselves. I think McCarthy would prefer it that way -- like he encouraged the dialogue after the Tampa loss last season -- but Thompson hasn't given him those types of players. Woodson, Harris, Hawk, Driver, Jenkins....those guys don't speak up until it really needs to be done. The one guy that does get in people's faces, Barnett, won't be around for a long while. I think Matthews is going to be that guy. And that would be huge.

I made light of this on Twitter, but I really meant it. I think Sunday will be the Packers' Apollo 13 game. You know the part where NASA dude says something about this being the worst disaster in the history of NASA? Ed Harris responds with, 'With all due respect sir, I think this will be our finest hour.' Can you imagine if the Packers can somehow manage a victory on Sunday, what that will do for them? And then maybe getting Matthews and others back for the Vikings -- let alone Bigby and possibly Starks and Harris from PUP? I think this is a chance for this Packers team to play with some real heart and emotion for one of the first times under McCarthy.

Sunday is one of those games where most of that goes out the window. All you are trying to do is survive and win. You know, what football is really all about. If the Packers can discover that passion and heart for the game again -- all of them -- look out. I'm serious. Of course, I also wouldn't mind seeing McCarthy get in front of the chalkboard and say, 'OK, right now we have the healthy talent to get us here (X). We need to get here (X). Failure is not an option gentlemen. Make it happen.' OK, so I'm a sentimental movie freak.

Thompson has always, always, always kept his eye on the future. Most of the times that's great. I think they should keep Finley up for a while and see what happens. I know there are people in the building who would like to do that. But it's a question of what Ted will do, and how bad the injuries get. I do think the Packers could survive without McDonald, Newhouse and Johnson.

As for Rodgers, he technically has two fourth-quarter wins in 41 games. Chicago in the '09 opener -- 50-yard TD to Jennings with 1:11 left (Packers caught the Bears on PA on 3rd and 1 and Jennings was wide open) -- and the Packers trailed Detroit in the fourth quarter in '08 before running away. That's it. Then again, he's only started 41 games. Not a big sampling. I know, I know about Favre. That being said, Rodgers needs to do better and he needs to lead the Packers to a win in a game they have no business winning. The greats do that.

Also, this just now via the Twit:

Greg_A_Bedard

It's amazing how Ted Thompson just will not sign somebody that he's not familiar with, unless they're rookies or first-year players.

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 02:15 PM
Adam Schefter weighs-in from his ESPN chat:

Adam Schefter
(2:42 PM) -Everyone's waiting on Green Bay to make a move at running back. There were people in that organization that really wanted the Packers to pull the trigger on a Marshawn Lynch deal before the Seahawks did.
Problem now is, DeAngelo Williams is unavailable, the Packers don't seem to have any interest in Willis McGahee, and you name me another back out there that would work for Green Bay.
I proposed in my Friday 10 Spot column on ESPN.com that Green Bay trade a fourth-round pick to Dallas for Marion Barber. It's a trade that makes sense for both teams. I think it should happen -- but it won't. Chances are, Green Bay will go through this season with the backs on its roster, plus Starks coming off PUP.


Q: Love your work, but why do you tease us Packer fans with potential trades? We know Thompson won't make a move! That said, what's your outlook on GB's chances for the playoffs and beyond?

Adam Schefter
(2:45 PM) -I'm not teasing any trades in Green Bay. I'd love to see one, because this offense needs another back. But I'm not running the team; I'm just reporting on it. Injuries really have hurt this team this season.

There are so many to overcome -- Ryan Grant, Nick Barnett, Jermichael Finley, Al Harris, Atari Bigby. Morgan Burnett, and on and on. Teams can't lose that many players and expect to be nearly as potent as many predicted.

PackerLegend
10-15-2010, 03:21 PM
Probable
Aaron Rodgers
Donald Lee
Sam Shields - Back after missing few weeks
Quinn Johnson - Back after missing few weeks
Chad Clifton
Nick Collins
Donald Driver - Hurt Quadricep in practice today
Cullen Jenkins
Charles Woodson

Questionable
Mike Neal
Ryan Pickett

Doubtful
Clay Matthews
Mark Tauscher

Out
Brandon Chillar
Jermicheal Finely
Nick Barnett - IR

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 04:54 PM
I really hope Matthews sits and rests, let's that hammy heal up so he can hunt down Benedict the following week. I want him to beat down Favre like he battered Kevin Kolb into submission.

J-Mike88
10-15-2010, 07:17 PM
Friday:

The NFL fined Redskins DE Jeremy Jarmon $5,000 for the unflagged hit on quarterback Aaron Rodgers on his overtime interception that helped set up Washington’s game-winning field goal.

A league spokesman said “for roughing the passer (unnecessarily struck QB in head area).”

Had a penalty been called, the Packers would have had an automatic first down on the Redskins 39-yard line.

PackerLegend
10-16-2010, 08:52 AM
It seems they never throw flags when Rodgers gets hit but make sure to throw 40 at the Packers.

umphrey
10-16-2010, 12:53 PM
Yeah I'm not really pissed they didn't call a penalty on that, I don't really like those penalties anyway, and I feel like you should win no matter the referee calls. That doesn't make it any less really f****** frustrating that (most likely) we lost the Chicago game because they threw a flag on Zombo for Cutler and we lost to the Redskins because they didn't throw a flag on the same play for Rodgers.

J-Mike88
10-16-2010, 04:09 PM
Yeah I'm not really pissed they didn't call a penalty on that, I don't really like those penalties anyway, and I feel like you should win no matter the referee calls. That doesn't make it any less really f****** frustrating that (most likely) we lost the Chicago game because they threw a flag on Zombo for Cutler and we lost to the Redskins because they didn't throw a flag on the same play for Rodgers.
So the dude's f***** frustrated about both calls, most likely costing us each game, but he's not really pissed?????

The thing about the NFL these days is the majority of games are decided by a TD or less, and despite each team's mistakes, injuries, etc. games often can and are decided by bad calls, like that one above.

The Packers organization was missed about it, as they were pissed about the Packers season ending in Arizona despite Rodgers being facemasked on the last play, and hit with a head to head a the play before it. Neither were called. Those aren't excuses. They happend.

PackerLegend
10-17-2010, 06:22 PM
Well its officially Viking and Brent week. I hope we ****ing win this game so much you have no idea. If we only win 2 more games this year it better ****ing be this 1 and the rematch vs the purple douchebags.

princefielder28
10-17-2010, 06:55 PM
The Packers have acquired safety Anthony Smith from Jacksonville

compensation unknown

GB12
10-17-2010, 07:07 PM
I don't usually like trading for players we cut

TitleTown088
10-17-2010, 07:37 PM
I don't usually like trading for players we cut

I don't think TT does either, but I think this shows Bigby is further away than many had though. Go figure.

PackerLegend
10-17-2010, 08:57 PM
Not like it matters but the 1st game Dimitri Nance was here (week 2 Buf) he got 2 carries for 6 yards. Since then not a single carry. I dont think those were garbage time carries from what I remember but maybe im wrong.

Anyways thought Anthony Smith sounded familiar.

GB12
10-17-2010, 09:03 PM
Our 3rd string running back never gets carries. He's only here in case Jackson or Kuhn join the hundreds of others injured.

PackerLegend
10-17-2010, 09:08 PM
That and we dont run much but I guess I would just like to see him get a couple carries. Maybe he could pull a Samkon Gado. Its not like we would notice a dropoff without Jackson and Kuhn.

GB12
10-17-2010, 09:14 PM
Samkon Gado was terrible though. He somehow got extremely lucky and put up decent numbers, but he was awful. It was clear to me when he was on the Packers, and clear to everyone after we traded him.

And we would notice a significant drop off without Jackson and Kuhn if you're talking about replacing them with practice squad players like Nance.

PackerLegend
10-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Extremely lucky or not he gave the Packers something they desperately needed help at for half a season. Im not suggestion Nance starts I just meant have him get a few carries to see if he shows anything. Taking away a couple carries from Jackson/Kuhn wouldn't hurt because they both suck anyways.

cvv84
10-17-2010, 10:22 PM
The Packers have acquired safety Anthony Smith from Jacksonville

compensation unknown

JS is reporting that its for a conditional 7th round pick.

Extremely lucky or not he gave the Packers something they desperately needed help at for half a season. Im not suggestion Nance starts I just meant have him get a few carries to see if he shows anything. Taking away a couple carries from Jackson/Kuhn wouldn't hurt because they both suck anyways.

I agree. Gado was never the answer but he was giving us nearly 80 total yards a game which is roughly what Jackson and Kuhn have been getting us combined. It definitly can't hurt to add a true RB into the mix. Pick up a wildcard like Chris Henry or Andre Brown.

djp
10-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Best of luck next week fellas. Should be a good one. Will Clay Matthews be back? I don't look forward to watching our brutal tackles trying to stop him.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 08:55 AM
Where are all the Bulaga lovers now?
All the fans who wanted Tauscher pushed out the door for the rookie from Iowa?

A healthy Mark Tauscher is >>>>> Bulaga. We need to pray that Tauscher can miraculously get healthy because Bulaga is going to cause Arod to be the next IR casualty with Ray Edwards, Jason Taylor, DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer coming up.

Bulaga almost got Rodgers killed in the Redskin game, and yesterday he was even worse.

Our special teams continues to suck. Jordy & Pat Lee are clueless as KRers, but worse than that is our blocking scheme. Contrast that to our own kick coverage units, where Crosby and Masthay are often counted on to make tackles.
Speaking of Masthay, great work by this regime to keep using patchwork stiffs at punter. How's that working for us since they inexplicably decided to release Jon Ryan, who had proven himself as an above-average punter IN REAL GAMES. Bizarre.

Props to Cullen Jenkins and BJ Raji yesterday for manning up and playing tons of snaps while everyone else was too banged up to go (Neal again, and Pickett).

I'm a big Mike Neal fan, but are we seeing a pattern there from the super-muscled guy?

I've said it before, but Charles Woodson is killing us with his clutching and grabbing. He looks like an NHL player with all the illegal contact, holding he pulls. I'm sure he's lost a step, or half-step, but it seems that in his mind he's lost 3 steps because he feels like he needs to resort to grabbing every receiver. No wonder why we like to put him on opposing TEs whenever they are top pass-catchers like Witten.

We're screwed this week with Harvin, Moss, and Shiancoe because Tramon can't cover them all.

THE PACKERS LAST 5 LOSSES:
-yesterday in OT, game decided by any ONE of these key plays:
F**** penalty call late in the game on our guy lining up over the snapper on the Dolphins punt. Or the block-in-the-back penalty in OT called on Korey Hall when we were about to get nice field position in OT, but because Tramon went left, right, left, right, Hall ended up getting a guy in the back, so we had to start inside our own 15 yard line.

-Last week in OT.

-Week 3 in Chicago, a game we gave away with Jones fumble, and the refs took away with the BS penalty on Tauscher on Finley's TD, and the BS call on Zombo on Barnett's Int.

-Playoff game in OT at Arizona.... we all know that story. All 3 of these OT losses, OUR OFFENSE HAD THE BALL at least ONE drive, and some of them 2 drives. I love Rodgers to death, but he's had 5 chances in 3 OTs to lead us to a game-winning FG, and he's come up blank period. We don't need TDs in OT, just drives to the 35 yard line.

-Heartbreaking loss at Pittsburgh on the final play of the game.

Those are our last 5 losses. All extruciating m**** f**** heartbreak losses. All those games could have easily been won with just one less f*** up. We find a way to lose a lot of close games for some reason. Are we mentally weak or what?

Now, here's the good news:
IF, IF, IF (I know, big IF at this point) we beat the Grape Apes Sunday night, and if the Redskins beat the Bears, this is what we will be looking at:

Packers 4-3
Bears 4-3
Vikings 2-4

We'd still be the favorites to win the division if that happens.

But it could also look like this:
Bears 5-2
Vikings 3-3
Packers 3-4

And then it's a long uphill battle with games at the Jets, Dallas, then at the Vikings and at the Falcons. Most likely we'd be about 4-7 after that 4-game stretch.

princefielder28
10-18-2010, 09:04 AM
Bryan Bulaga struggled with speed rushers at Iowa so to me there's very little surprise to see him struggle with Wake yesterday and that's probably why he projects as our long term solution at right tackle and not left. Ray Edwards will be another good test for him this week.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 09:32 AM
Let's go back to our draft night.

I know I was mad that night when Bulaga kept slipping because I knew we'd take him if the big white Iowa lineman was there. I mean that fits this mold to a T. I wanted him gone because I wanted Jerry Hughes to pair with Clay Matthews at OLB, so badly. And McGinn and Dallas' Rick Gossellin's sources predicted he'd be our pick. They didn't think Bulaga would fall that far.

So, we have Bulaga there now and he's played worse at RT than TJ Lang did.
And we have nobody at OLB other than Clay Matthews. Those are facts.

How much time and draft pick investment did this team put at OT in Allen Barbre and Breno Giacomini? Those guys fit Ted's mold too, but they sucked and they sucked 3-4 years from this franchise.

The only time we have had good pass protection was when Clifton & Tauscher were healthy, and those 2 are not TT guys.
Another tough day for Bulaga

Rookie Bryan Bulaga started at right tackle in place of Mark Tauscher for the second straight week and had a rough time with Dolphins outside linebacker Cameron Wake.

Wake has a good combination of speed and power for an undersized (6-foot-3, 250 pounds) rusher and beat Bulaga for two of his three sacks — he beat fullback Korey Hall for the other — and had six hits on quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Bulaga said he had more problems with Wake’s bull rush than his outside speed.

“I was conscious of the speed, I knew he had it,” Bulaga said. “My pads were probably too high on both of them.”

Bulaga also was penalized for holding Wake late in the fourth quarter, though the Packers recovered to score the game-tying touchdown. On that play, Wake bull-rushed close to Rodgers while Bulaga legally held the front of his jersey, and when Rodgers scrambled outside them, Wake tried to turn around and pursue the quarterback. Bulaga maintained his grip on the jersey, so it became a penalty.

“I’ll go back and watch and see what I did wrong on it,” Bulaga said. “I guess when (Rodgers) rolls out that way, just let (the rusher) go and kind of mirror him.”

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 01:25 PM
It's official, and that's more bad news. Less light at the end of the tunnel now.
http://tinyurl.com/38d2k74


Ed Hochuli's definition of ONE YARD doesn't compute with truth:
Mike Vandermause of the Green Bay Press-Gazette reports a controversial fourth-quarter penalty, in which the Packers were flagged for an illegal formation on a Dolphins punt, kept a Miami drive alive. Instead of the Packers taking over with 7:10 remaining and the score tied at 13-13, the Dolphins were awarded a first down because Robert Francois was ruled to be lined up within a yard of the center, which is illegal.

The 5-yard penalty on Francois gave the Dolphins a first and 10 at the Packersí 38, and the Dolphins marched for a touchdown and 20-13 lead.

Neither Packers special teams coach Shawn Slocum nor head coach Mike McCarthy agreed with the call, but in an interview with referee Ed Hochuli after the game, he stood his ground.

ďThatís actually a new rule this year that on a punt, on any scrimmage kick, there cannot be a player on the defense within a yard of the line of scrimmage over the center," Hochuli said. "Heís got to be outside the centerís shoulders or else heís got to be back more than a yard off the line, and thatís judged by whether, does he have a foot or any part of his body up within, if you look from the sideline, up within the linemen that are down on the ground. And he did. So that was what the penalty was, a five-yard penalty.Ē


McCarthy on the bizarre, odd penalty that occured minutes after the play:
(Did you get a chance to watch the penalty on Francois again on the punt?)
Sure did. I had an opportunity to watch all the tape. Had an opportunity to watch the punt after the game.

(You have used that formation a few times. Did anyone warn you in the past about it?)
Itís a new rule this year. Itís something that a lot of conversation during the preseason about the formation. Itís a formation thatís been used against us probably on a weekly basis. We used it throughout the game. The rule states that the player cannot be within a yard of the center. The intent of the rule is for the safety of the snapper. The origin of it really started on field goals, and it was carried over to punt. We had used that formation earlier in the game. Itís a legal formation. Why it took so long for the flag and so forth, I do not understand that part. Itís illegal formation, offsides, things like that. Just the process of it is whatís disturbing. But Robert Francois was lined up a yard from the center. Thatís what the film shows.

(Is there any advantage to him lining up a yard away? Should he maybe play it safe and line up 2 yards back?)
Let me ask you this, because I was asked the same question last night. What is the difference between lining up over the ball, if youíre the nose guard? Would I tell the nose guard to line up six inches away from the football, just so maybe heís not offsides? Six inches is the difference in a lot of things, particularly at the line of scrimmage. The rule states not within a yard. Thereís a reason why you have individuals lined up in certain positions. You want to get as close to a yard as you possibly can. I donít think thatís any different as far as the teaching purpose that goes on throughout formations, defensive fronts, bump-and-run technique, where the receiver is crowding the ball, whether the defensive line is crowding the ball from the other side. The rule states not within a yard.

(Are you baffled by the call?)
Baffled? Iíll just say this. When pre-snap penalties are called, illegal formations are called, offsides called, usually the flag comes out immediately. The same situation occurred in our Detroit game, the flag came out immediately. Now, just the timing of it is what sets you back a bit. After a timeout, to be in the huddle and then the flag to come out that late. I think the process is something that needs to be looked at. If someone lines up wrong, the flag should be thrown immediately, in my opinion.

(But you do think your guy was lined up legally?)
I think the film illustrates that, yes.

TitleTown088
10-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Finley to IR and Poppinga with a hurt knee now too.

Packers training staff is dogshit.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 01:46 PM
Finley to IR and Poppinga with a hurt knee now too.

Packers training staff is dogshit.


Adam_Schefter
Like Packers TE Jermichael Finley, LB Brady Poppinga has torn meniscus and will undergo surgery tomorrow to determine how long he'll miss.

So we only lost one guy for the season yesterday?
It's getting better guys.

Driver and Hawk also suffered (what we think are) minor injuries, a quad for DD and groin for Hawk.

TitleTown088
10-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Like Packers TE Jermichael Finley, LB Brady Poppinga has torn meniscus and will undergo surgery tomorrow to determine how long he'll miss.

So we only lost one guy for the season yesterday?
It's getting better guys.




A torn meniscus isn't usually a season ender, Finley's was an extreme case.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 02:41 PM
A torn meniscus isn't usually a season ender, Finley's was an extreme case.
Of course it was as this season is an extreme ***** case of injuries for us.
I thought the 2004 season was extremely painful, losing Javon Walker in week one and then a bunch of others.

Missing Grant has proven to be bigger than the Grant-haters ever could have imagined.

cvv84
10-18-2010, 03:38 PM
Bryan Bulaga struggled with speed rushers at Iowa so to me there's very little surprise to see him struggle with Wake yesterday and that's probably why he projects as our long term solution at right tackle and not left. Ray Edwards will be another good test for him this week.

He also practiced for what, a week at RT before getting the start for Tauscher. When he was filling in for Clifton you never even noticed him. Its a complete 180 going from the left side to the right side.

PackerLegend
10-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Under McCarthy thd Packers are 4-13 in games decided by 4 points or less. Good teams find ways to win those games. That stat should read 13-4. If this season tanks we should be very good next year if people stay healthy. Of course we have the damn CBA looming at the worst time so it could be a lockout. We need to add a RB, CB, OLB and some O-line help. A punter and returner would also be very helpful. I dont know who will be available but hopefully Ted will not be himself and actually add someone via FA or trade. An established player who offers an immediate boost.

He acknowledged punter Tim Masthays performance wasnt good and needs to be more consistent.

This is just so typical of McCarthy. Just seems to wait around thinking guys who suck will magically improve. This guy has sucked for 6 weeks we need to dump him and not wait like we did with Derrick Frost.

jackalope
10-18-2010, 05:01 PM
Let's give it more than six games into the season before we make a decision on our first round draft pick.

senormysterioso
10-18-2010, 06:42 PM
I'm just going throw something out there for the sake of discussion; the Raiders are apparently throwing everybody on their roster out on the trade block, just like they did last year. This doesn't mean that they're going to give Aso away for a 5th round pick or anything but everyone is available. How much would it cost to pick up Darren McFadden? He's finally coming around as a player and they seem to like Michael Bush more anyway. Could we could get him for a 2nd and another conditional pick?

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 07:53 PM
I'm just going throw something out there for the sake of discussion; the Raiders are apparently throwing everybody on their roster out on the trade block, just like they did last year. This doesn't mean that they're going to give Aso away for a 5th round pick or anything but everyone is available. How much would it cost to pick up Darren McFadden? He's finally coming around as a player and they seem to like Michael Bush more anyway. Could we could get him for a 2nd and another conditional pick?
Either of those guys would be great additions. Woodson is clearly losing a step fast as he resorts to clutching & grabbing every time.

But I don't think TT would make a move for a guy like Aso no matter what the price is.

McFadden would be a great addition to this offense, perfect. And I think you're right, a 2nd and conditional pick would be more than enough to get him. But if Teddy wasn't willing to beat a 4th rounder for Marshawn, I'd say TT would never ever make a move to trade more than that for McFadden when he can wait and see if Starks can stay healthy for the first time since 2008.

I like the way you think there, but it's always best to temper any expectations here..... remember I wanted help at CB with Antonio Cromartie and was laughed at about it because he wasn't good or something... and told the Jets were fools for bringing in older guys from other organizations when they should be focusing on the draft and grooming the youngsters for success tomorrow, a la our style.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 08:25 PM
Here's some more on those Raidaz situation

UPDATE: The Oakland Raiders' Twitter feed didn't provide the response to a report from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that any Raider was available via trade (see below), but an anonymous executive did provide a quote for Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times (H/T to Gregg Rosenthal of Pro Football Talk).

"Does [Schefter] really think that we would trade Nnamdi [Asomugha], Richard [Seymour], Rolando [McClain] or either of our running backs? You do the math on that one," the Raiders exec said. Rosenthal obliged: "The 31-year-old defensive tackle making $12.398 million on the 31st-ranked rush defense is not available. Carry on."

---

Sunday, Schefter reported that the Raiders have informed other teams that any player on their roster is available via trade. The Raiders' official Twitter feed has yet to vigorously deny these rumors.

While ESPN AFC West blogger Bill Williamson hasn't heard anything further on this development, he does admit that trading star cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha wouldn't be the worst idea if the Raiders can get market value in return. The Raiders are without their first-round pick in the 2011 draft thanks to their acquisition of Richard Seymour prior to the 2009 season.

While Asomugha is talented, the drawback for any team acquiring him is his albatross of a contract. He's being paid over $16 million for his efforts in 2010, and his contract calls for him to be paid the franchise tag number for QBs in 2011 or $16.875 million, whichever is greater. Tough to see anyone taking that one off the Raiders' hands despite the CB's talent.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 09:44 PM
As if we didn't know already (Paul Allen did), Rodgers latest overtime loss made him 1-11 in the closest games in his career.
Bob McGinn calls him and McCarthy out: http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/mccarthy-rodgers-continue-to-wilt-late-in-close-games/

PackerLegend
10-18-2010, 09:56 PM
1-11 but these are not all Rodgers fault. Bears game JJ fumble. Redskins game Rodgers put us in a spot to win Crosby hit the post. Steelers game last year defense in last sec, Cardinals last year Rodgers was pretty exceptional but the defense gave up over 50 points. Those are the few I remember. I know Rodgers hasnt shown us to much in critical crunch time but alot of these aren't his fault. I also remember him driving us to the leading score with a few minutes remaining only to watch our defense collapse.

TitleTown088
10-18-2010, 10:11 PM
While Asomugha is talented, the drawback for any team acquiring him is his albatross of a contract. He's being paid over $16 million for his efforts in 2010, and his contract calls for him to be paid the franchise tag number for QBs in 2011 or $16.875 million, whichever is greater. Tough to see anyone taking that one off the Raiders' hands despite the CB's talent.


Scrabble would be a luxury at this point. CB is actually one of the deeper positions on the roster right now. With Al coming back I'm more than fine with what is on the roster.




Also, I'm not a huge Jackson guy and I realize there are some variables to this stat, but he's averaging 4.6 YPG something Grant hasn't done in a long time.

GB12
10-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Also, I'm not a huge Jackson guy and I realize there are some variables to this stat, but he's averaging 4.6 YPG something Grant hasn't done in a long time.

That's still kind of skewed from that 71 yarder. I realize he deserves credit for that and you can't just disregard it, but his average drops a full yard to 3.6 without it.

Oh, and Grant averaged 4.4 over a full season last year so don't start that.

TitleTown088
10-18-2010, 10:37 PM
That's still kind of skewed from that 71 yarder. I realize he deserves credit for that and you can't just disregard it, but his average drops a full yard to 3.6 without it.


Ya, that's why I said variables.

You can't just " take out" a big run though. That's part of every RB's YPC.

GB12
10-18-2010, 10:40 PM
I know, that's what I said. I feel it's still worth looking at though.

PackerLegend
10-18-2010, 10:41 PM
Also, I'm not a huge Jackson guy and I realize there are some variables to this stat, but he's averaging 4.6 YPG something Grant hasn't done in a long time.

Are you trying to say Jackson is anywhere close to Ryan Grants level, seriously? How about this variable Jackson has 67 rushes for 305 yards. Take away the 71 yard run he now has 66 rushes for 234 yards and a 3.5 avg. Grant had a 5.1 avg in 2007, 3.9 in 2008, 4.4 last year. Jackson sucks, he is awful. Teams do not respect our run game at all and they shouldn't because we have no ground game. They just tee off on Rodgers and now that Finelys out roll everyone to Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.

Losing Grant was beyond huge and I cant believe you would bring up a stat like that even remotely suggesting Jackson is decent. Our offense has been nowhere near as good as it was last year yet and thats because defense's dont have to stay honest with ****ing **** in the backfield. Its no secret to why are offense has not been the same and Rodgers looks worse.

TitleTown088
10-18-2010, 10:43 PM
Are you trying to say Jackson is anywhere close to Ryan Grants level, seriously?


Facepalm


Anyways,

An NFL source said the Packers have had talks with the Dallas Cowboys about ďone ofĒ their running backs. The 1-4 Cowboys rotate Felix Jones, Tashard Choice and Marion Barber, and ESPNís Chris Mortensen reported Sunday morning that itís Barber that the Packers and Cowboys have discussed.


http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news_items/40/news_items_more.php?id=4566&section_id=40

PackerLegend
10-18-2010, 10:48 PM
I know you weren't suggesting that, atleast I hoped not because otherwise you need your head examined. I just dont understand why you would bring up that stat. Its beyond deceiving. Jackson is just not the answer I wish we would try another route.

umphrey
10-18-2010, 10:57 PM
1-11 but these are not all Rodgers fault. Bears game JJ fumble. Redskins game Rodgers put us in a spot to win Crosby hit the post. Steelers game last year defense in last sec, Cardinals last year Rodgers was pretty exceptional but the defense gave up over 50 points. Those are the few I remember. I know Rodgers hasnt shown us to much in critical crunch time but alot of these aren't his fault. I also remember him driving us to the leading score with a few minutes remaining only to watch our defense collapse.

I've been waiting for him to put together his signature drive and other people keep screwing it up for him. I thought it was coming against the Bears and then JJ fumbled. Then against Miami he had one to come back to tie it but we still lost because of the 3 and out in OT. Don't think you can blame Rodgers or give him credit. That's how it's been for really long. Can't really blame him for these close losses can't really give him credit for anything.

As for adding a running back, it's a band aid on a sieving wound. Our running game was one of few things actually working yesterday. They have to take a look at the pass rush, the secondary, the special teams too, and decide how we can fix these, what changes can we make. We need fixes all over because right now and no one should be putting on blinders and pretending we are a RB away from being competitive right now.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 10:58 PM
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Packers obtain Barber tomorrow.
I think it would be the 3rd time this year a guy is traded and ends up playing against the same team 2 weeks in a row.

Changing topics, that ******* penalty that they called on us that gave the Phins the ball again which led to their last TD, here's the photo of that bulls*** call. http://media.jsonline.com/images/28007144_punt.jpg
From JS:While Francois was not a yard-and-a-half off the ball as McCarthy claims (maybe that far from the center's head) Francois was around a yard and maybe a few inches more from the ball. The penalty shouldn't have been called.

It's amazing that every OT game we lose, there's a big, bad call that goes against us, against the league rules.

The inadvertant facemask on Rodgers on the last play at Arizona.
The helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers on his OT int last week at Washington, and this one vs Miami.

GB12
10-18-2010, 11:02 PM
I think the reason it was called was because he came up and engaged the center. If he lined up like that and then dropped straight back to block or even tried to go through the guard it wouldn't have been called. I don't have a problem with that being called. Stupid penalty, should have been avoided, but I don't blame the refs on that one.

PackerLegend
10-18-2010, 11:05 PM
I also like how it was not even called a penalty right away. Here we field the punt theres 0 indication of a flag and then 20 min later. Flag, Miami gets the 1st on some ********. The best part is I read this formation was used on an earlier punt but nothing was called.

J-Mike88
10-18-2010, 11:16 PM
I think the reason it was called was because he came up and engaged the center.
Someone needs to find video of this because from what I recall, he didn't blow up the center.... I thought he didn't do anything immediately actually, like we see on kicks, and that's the reason why they made that rule in the first place.

He certainly didn't attempt to steamroll the guy to have a jailbreak block the punt kind of thing, I do clearly recall that much.

That call was ******* for sure. The pass interferences on Woodson, good calls. The block in the back in OT on Hall when Tramon zig zaged, good call. Not this one on the punt, no way.

You can easily see by looking that there was a full yard space there, which IS THE RULE IN THE BOOK. Amazing anyone can look at that photo and not see a yard there between the ball and our guy.

GB12
10-18-2010, 11:32 PM
Someone needs to find video of this because from what I recall, he didn't blow up the center.... I thought he didn't do anything immediately actually, like we see on kicks, and that's the reason why they made that rule in the first place.

He certainly didn't attempt to steamroll the guy to have a jailbreak block the punt kind of thing, I do clearly recall that much.


You can easily see by looking that there was a full yard space there, which IS THE RULE IN THE BOOK. Amazing anyone can look at that photo and not see a yard there between the ball and our guy.

He didn't blow him up, but he came to the line and engaged the center.

And the rule states that no part of the player can be within a yard of the ball. Francois' right foot looks like it is less than a yard off. Not much, but just inside, and even though he didn't run in full speed at the snap he hit the center. If he did anything other than engage the center they probably would have let it slide.

Really touchy, but I don't have a problem with it. We shouldn't be lining up in formations that are this questionable in the first place.

J-Mike88
10-19-2010, 06:49 AM
And the rule states that no part of the player can be within a yard of the ball. Francois' right foot looks like it is less than a yard off. Not much, but just inside.....
No, look again.
His right foot is on the 43 yard line.
The TIP of the football is almost to the 44 yard line. That's a full yard, plus that tiny "almost" space between the tip of the ball and that yardline.

The bottom line is that refs should not make a call like that. Are you going to defend the zebra's and say they never let DE's heads be lined up offside, in the neutral zone?
I see it 10 times a game. It's just up to the mood of the refs when they call it.

This play here is close but not a violation, and as McCarthy said, it was the same lineup as we had used previously in the same game, same zebra crew.

Refs are flatout not up to standard these days in the NFL. But neither is our execution on offense.

Here's the punter a lot of PackerNation had us taking in the draft:
Patriots P Zoltan Mesko was still hearing praise on Monday for his 65-yard punt in overtime. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2010/10/19/praise_for_mesko_still_hanging_in_air/

J-Mike88
10-19-2010, 08:46 AM
Packers missing Finley at TE for the rest of the season.
Donald Lee's drop rate continues to langer, as does his fumble (which cost Finley the season.)

Our offense is stalling. Points scored are down, we've lost 2 straight games we should have won because our offense couldn't score enough.

So where is this man now?
u5oBuZnAzmM&feature=related

http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/spencer-for-hire-where-is-spencer-havner/

PackerLegend
10-19-2010, 03:37 PM
He didn't blow him up, but he came to the line and engaged the center.

And the rule states that no part of the player can be within a yard of the ball. Francois' right foot looks like it is less than a yard off. Not much, but just inside, and even though he didn't run in full speed at the snap he hit the center. If he did anything other than engage the center they probably would have let it slide.

Really touchy, but I don't have a problem with it. We shouldn't be lining up in formations that are this questionable in the first place.

His entire body is more then a yard off. Your saying you have no problem with this flag and flags alike that can completely alter games? Refs arent suppose to alter the game and change the outcome because of a penalty like this. First off hes far enough away and secondly even if he is maybe an inch to close you dont call that bull**** in the 4th quarter and change everything. Let guys play dont make questionable calls like this its ridiculous.

umphrey
10-19-2010, 04:12 PM
I wouldn't get that worked up about 1 penalty but if you look at the way we've been treated by the zebras every game this year, hell every game in the Aaron Rodgers era, they just must hate Rodgers or McCarthy or someone. I think Woodson is close to snapping if he hasn't already.

PackerLegend
10-19-2010, 04:43 PM
I wouldn't get that worked up about 1 penalty but if you look at the way we've been treated by the zebras every game this year, hell every game in the Aaron Rodgers era, they just must hate Rodgers or McCarthy or someone. I think Woodson is close to snapping if he hasn't already.

Im not, it was a ****ing awful call IMO especially at that time in the game but its to late now. Im more upset with all the no calls when Rodgers gets hit. Funny thing is I was discussing all the no calls I said the exact same thing. "Apparently the refs dont like Aaron Rodgers or something"

tjsunstein
10-19-2010, 09:20 PM
It's been one of those years where nothing has gone our way. Not much you can do about it. Offense isn't clicking without Grant and Finley, defense is entirely too hurt and Woodson isn't playing anywhere close to he was last year. I'm not calling it a season yet because our division is VERY weak. We're talented enough to win it and hopefully get healthy for the playoffs. Expectations shouldn't be any different than from the beginning of the year. Super Bowl. It's disappointing to lose the way we have been but we can't blame anyone but our own team for not executing the whole game through. Maybe it's McCarthy and his lack of halftime adjustments. Taking the foot off the pedal seemingly. Rodgers hasn't exactly been automatic. I touched on Woodson. Capers is doing a great job in play call, in my opinion, it's the execution that we lack. All things considered, it could be a lot worse and I won't temper my expectations one bit. I think we're going to see a statement game on Sunday Night.

J-Mike88
10-20-2010, 06:11 AM
I'm not calling it a season yet because our division is VERY weak. We're talented enough to win it and hopefully get healthy for the playoffs. Expectations shouldn't be any different than from the beginning of the year. Super Bowl.

Capers is doing a great job in play call, in my opinion, it's the execution that we lack. All things considered, it could be a lot worse and I won't temper my expectations one bit. I think we're going to see a statement game on Sunday Night.

Not only is our divison down, but the whole NFC is. We're a game back of the best record in the NFC, which is Atlanta, NO, Bears..... we're okay standings-wise as long as we beat the Vikings, Cowboys, Giants.
Remember we spanked Kevin Kolb's Eagles in Philly in week one, and now Kolb looks pretty good. Sure, Vick caught us off guard, but Capers defense looked good there before everyone was hurt.

I hope to beat the Vikings more than anything, I hate those guys with a passion. I don't know what you mean by a statement game. I never expect the best when we play those guys, especially this year and especially knowing Rodgers is 1-11 in 3 point or less games. I try and temper my expectations to keep me from being too devastated.... maybe that close record is why I do so....

J-Mike88
10-20-2010, 06:19 AM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/20/re-focused-week-6-dolphins-at-packers/

Check out how well Desmond Bishop has been playing/grading out.

ALSO: Packers have signed DT Jay Ross to the practice squad and released RB James Johnson from the practice squad.

Pack_Attack_4
10-20-2010, 12:58 PM
Has ne1 heard if Harris or Bigby will be back this week?

PackerLegend
10-20-2010, 03:15 PM
Has ne1 heard if Harris or Bigby will be back this week?

Harris and Bigby have been cleared to practice. They have been out a long long time so its still uncertain if they will even play at all this weekend.

jackalope
10-20-2010, 04:03 PM
Per JSOnline, Harris looks good to go, Bigby isn't quite there yet.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

PackerLegend
10-20-2010, 04:54 PM
Is Brent going to get booed Sunday night? I sure ****ing hope so!

Mr.Regular
10-20-2010, 05:42 PM
Is Brent going to get booed Sunday night? I sure ****ing hope so!
Hell yes he will.
Remember last year? Combine that with how everyone now knows he's a creep.

You know what would be sweet though? Favre gets booed all night long in an embarrassing Vikings loss, then the suspension gets handed down. His final game being humiliated at Lambeau....I know I'm dreaming, but damn, that'd be sweet, sweet, poetic justice right there.

cvv84
10-20-2010, 09:11 PM
Hell yes he will.
Remember last year? Combine that with how everyone now knows he's a creep.

You know what would be sweet though? Favre gets booed all night long in an embarrassing Vikings loss, then the suspension gets handed down. His final game being humiliated at Lambeau....I know I'm dreaming, but damn, that'd be sweet, sweet, poetic justice right there.

Funny to think that just a few years ago he took us to the NFC championship game.

Mr.Regular
10-20-2010, 09:19 PM
Funny to think that just a few years ago he took us to the NFC championship game.
Yeah I know it's weird.

But betraying your most loyal fans on a mission of baseless revenge to lead your teams most hated rivals sure changes things.

Too bad... he could've had a statue outside with Curly and Vince, his number retired, and be treated like a God anytime he stepped foot in Wisconsin...

Unfortunately it's that very ego stroking we did which helped create this mess. The guy turned into a crazy ego-maniac. When Ted bruised his ego, he couldn't let it go, even though that whole retirement/ un-retirement fiasco was his fault.

Anyway enough as been said about this whole thing the past 2 years. Bottom line is **** brett and **** the queens!

J-Mike88
10-20-2010, 09:48 PM
Painful to think that just a few years ago he threw away the NFC championship game by forcing a bad pass to the only covered guy on that play.
That's more accurate. He had a nice regular season though, again, that season. Not quite as nice as last year for the Vikings, but you get the picture..... same ending for him.

TitleTown088
10-21-2010, 11:52 AM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/20/re-focused-week-6-dolphins-at-packers/

Check out how well Desmond Bishop has been playing/grading out.

ALSO: Packers have signed DT Jay Ross to the practice squad and released RB James Johnson from the practice squad.

I agree that Bishop has filled in pretty well, but that site's stats can be misleading.

Driver still out of practice... Hopefully he can go on Sunday.

J-Mike88
10-21-2010, 01:45 PM
In 14 career games against Green Bay, Randy Moss has 70 catches for 1,313 yards and 14 touchdowns with an 18.8-yard average per catch.

Moss owns the three highest receiving totals against the Packers in Vikings history -- 190 yards, 153 and 150.

TitleTown088
10-21-2010, 06:24 PM
In 14 career games against Green Bay, Randy Moss has 70 catches for 1,313 yards and 14 touchdowns with an 18.8-yard average per catch.

Moss owns the three highest receiving totals against the Packers in Vikings history -- 190 yards, 153 and 150.


While Moss is certianly capable of having a big game, it's important to remember he wasn't in his 3rd week of playing in a New offense ( he's never played in the WCO) in those games. He's also a bit removed from his prime.

Then again, he never 'really' had a QB like Favre during those games either.

J-Mike88
10-22-2010, 02:45 PM
Mike McCarthy transcript today:


(I just saw Ahman Green walk out of the locker room area. Is he here for any reason?)
I havenít seen Ahman Green, so I know nothing about it. Probably stopped by to say hello. He still lives in Green Bay.

(Is Charles still away?)
Charles Woodson had a personal matter today. Thatís why he missed practice yesterday and today. I fully anticipate him to play in the game.

(Was there any disappointment on your part or did you totally understand the circumstances?)
I fully understand, and Charles, if he wants to share that with you, itís of a positive native. I think you would understand too.

(Are you encouraged by Tauscher? You said yesterday questionable to doubtful and you went with questionable. Are you hopeful there?)
Had a positive report about Mark Tauscher this morning from the doctors. They feel heís making progress. As far as his status for this week, we have a lot to talk about today in our game management, whether itís Mark Tauscher and a number of players that came back. Everything walking off the field is like most weeks, everybody feels good and everything is positive, but until we have an opportunity to sit down and talk as a staff and really just see how a few of the players come in in the morning, we wonít really be able to make final decisions. Our inactives are a little more up in the air, like they have been the last three weeks.

(How do you feel about Matthews right now?)
Feel good. I thought he did more today than he did yesterday. Itís a typical Friday practice as far as the length and the number of reps. So barring any setback, I think heíll be ready to go.

(How about Pickett?)
I really donít have enough information on Ryan to give you a good answer, and really, until he comes in here tomorrow we probably wonít be ready to make a decision on Ryan.

(Will there be any benefit to limiting Clayís role, like just using him in the nickel, or if he goes, would you just go with him the whole time?)
Good question. Thatís really part of the communication today. We had a staff meeting this morning, and then weíll have our game management this afternoon and weíll talk about those things in that meeting and then weíll go forward with it tomorrow morning with the players. But thatís definitely an option. Itís an option we were shooting for last week.

(After a couple of tough overtime losses, how has the team responded to practice this week?)
I think itís apparent, if you have an opportunity to be around the football team, thereís a lot of energy, a lot of confidence. Everybodyís looking forward to Sunday nightís game for good reason. Iím comfortable with the week that weíve had. Weíve had two days in shells. I always concern myself with that from a coaching standpoint, but I think thatís where we are for other reasons. But Iím pleased so far with the weekís preparation.

(Chillar sounded really encouraged. Is he more questionable because he hasnít played in a while?)
I thought he has really put together a good week. Actually Brandon was down there after practice. Thatís why I was running up here a little late. Did some padded work just to make sure heís ready to go with his shoulder. Heís definitely, him and Ryan Pickett, I want to see how they come back in the morning.

(After seeing Al and Atari the last three days, where do you think youíre at?)
I think Al Harris and Atari, whatís nice about their week is you see them more and more comfortable as the week went on. Whether theyíll go this week or not, thatís something to be determined. But I thought they clearly were getting more comfortable as the week went on.

(How comfortable are you with Anthony Smith and what youíve seen from him this week?)
Anthony has jumped right in. Heís really picked up where he left off. He still has excellent recall of the defense. Special teams, him and Shawn Slocum have spent a lot of extra time together. Anthony will be part of our 45 on Sunday.

(Is he your starter there?)
Heíll be part of our 45 on Sunday.

umphrey
10-23-2010, 08:37 AM
Mike Neal and Poppinga look headed to IR. I didn't even know about these injuries really, especially Neal. Seems like we're losing guys in the middle of the week now.

cvv84
10-23-2010, 10:55 AM
Mike Neal and Poppinga look headed to IR. I didn't even know about these injuries really, especially Neal. Seems like we're losing guys in the middle of the week now.

Just think if we had an 18 game season...

umphrey
10-23-2010, 12:37 PM
I can 50% vouch for this because I checked the numbers myself for the Packers but I can't be 100% sure about the 2009 data:

I read that, with our injuries, in comparison to all of 2009, we would be close to 1st (2nd or 3rd) in games missed by starters taking into account that guys on IR will miss 16 games. I read that early this (Miami) week after Finley and Barnett went on IR but before Poppinga and Neal went on IR, although they aren't starters and haven't been shut down officially yet, we've already had a season and then some full of injuries.

umphrey
10-23-2010, 01:03 PM
Link (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/010709dnspogosselin.34d3911.html)

Lets see, starters on IR we have:
Nick Barnett
Morgan Burnett
Jermichael Finley
Ryan Grant

which would tie us for 4th most of any team in all of 2009

Games missed by starters we have (that I can think of):
12 Nick Barnett
12 Morgan Burnett
12 Jermichael Finley
15 Ryan Grant
6 Al Harris
1 Clay Matthews
1 Mark Tauscher
1 Ryan Pickett
1 Brad Jones
61= total

Note: For those on IR, I assumed 0 tackles/carries = didn't start

which would put us in 6th ahead of St. Louis (58)8)8] and behind Baltimore (64)

Things are even worse than the cold hard numbers say with:
-Players who have played hurt include starters Driver, Collins, Woodson, Rodgers, Matthews, Clifton, Colledge, Tauscher, Jenkins at minimum.
-Mike Neal, Justin Harrell, and Johnny Jolly are all gone for the year. Each would have played if available even with the 3 starters healthy with rotation.
-Backups who would have played aren't taken into account; we have lost a lot of these, most recently Poppinga and Neal.

GB12
10-23-2010, 01:08 PM
The guys on IR won't miss 16 games. You have to subtract the ones they played before getting hurt.

umphrey
10-23-2010, 01:17 PM
Right nice catch, I'll update

umphrey
10-23-2010, 01:33 PM
The guys on IR won't miss 16 games. You have to subtract the ones they played before getting hurt.

I thought this would have a big affect, with injuries following a bell curve distribution (a few outliers at each end, with most of the data in a logjam in the middle) but it's not at all. Mostly linear where it steadily increases from 12 to 84 (including 4 teams with less than 20). Which also leads me to believe that it is just a matter of time before we reach #1 in both categories for the 2009 data. It also tells me that 2010 probably won't have a #1 much higher than 84, so that means it will probably be us, with whatever we have, which will be more than 84.

J-Mike88
10-23-2010, 11:50 PM
http://packersinsider.com/2010/10/al-harris-atari-bigby-not-active-for-vikings-game/

Al Harris and Atari Bigby both will be sitting out the Viking game tonight.
I guess they aren't ready yet still.
The good news about that is........

GB12
10-25-2010, 02:20 PM
Neal and Poppinga will be placed on IR

J-Mike88
10-25-2010, 02:32 PM
Neal and Poppinga will be placed on IR
Another week, another pair of guys done... what a ***** bunch of **** this year with the injuries.

Now Cullen Jenkins goes down last night, in pregame warmups stretching?

What the hell is going on this year with the shoulders, wrists, calves, ankles?
ACLs are one thing, but all the rest?

And Cullen Jenkins is OUT for the Jets game next week when we really need him to stop their run. They run the ball down everyone's throats. Look for some new beef to be called up from the practice squad for this game for Capers. We can't keep throwing offensive linemen like TJ Lang in there.

J-Mike88
10-25-2010, 02:50 PM
In for a workout tomorrow: LB/DE Nick Reed.

Anyone know anything about this dude?

umphrey
10-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Well unfortunately we have to make cuts already with Bigby and Harris coming back. To get fresh blood for the DL I think we would have to IR Jenkins. We have Montgomery too don't we? Until Pickett gets healthy we are stuck with 4 DL probably which is more than we had yesterday at least.

princefielder28
10-25-2010, 02:52 PM
In for a workout tomorrow: LB/DE Nick Reed.

Anyone know anything about this dude?

yup, former Oregon Duck who actually had a wonderful career there but he's not the biggest or fastest but knows how make plays in the opponent's backfield...option outside for us i imagine

GB12
10-25-2010, 03:00 PM
Well unfortunately we have to make cuts already with Bigby and Harris coming back. To get fresh blood for the DL I think we would have to IR Jenkins. We have Montgomery too don't we? Until Pickett gets healthy we are stuck with 4 DL probably which is more than we had yesterday at least.

Neal to IR, Poppinga to IR. That's two spots right there for Bigby and Harris. We still have 6 DL without Neal so we won't be forced to sign one. If we have to put Jenkins on IR we might sign another, but then there's a spot open through that. I would not put Jenkins on IR unless there is no chance what so ever he could play again this year though. Even if he won't be back until week 16 or 17 I'd still waste a roster spot for the remaining weeks if it means having him in the playoffs.

BloodBrother
10-25-2010, 03:24 PM
No way you IR Jenkins. They have a bye coming up. I doubt this is more than 2-3 week sort of injury. Montgomery is GARBAGE so cut him if need be.

Really is ridiculous the amount of injuries this team suffered. With how crummy the NFC is, I don't doubt that this team would be running away with it if they had most of their guys healthy. Just one of those years I guess, which totally sucks. Beating the Vikes was gutsy, but I'm not sure the D can hold up next week vs that Jets rushing attack. BJ Raji is the only freakin starter they have left on the Dline, but I will say that CJ Wilson had a pretty solid game last night for a 6th(or 7th?) round rookie

umphrey
10-25-2010, 03:59 PM
Surprisingly it looks like our defense is going to be alright despite all the injuries but our offense hasn't looked crisp since week 2 or 3 (even then, debatable). Aaron Rodgers has been playing more on a Joe Flacco/Matt Ryan level than the Drew Brees/Philip Rivers level we all thought he was at. How many receivers did he miss by a mile yesterday? If not for the interceptions on defense we might not have scored in the second half at all.

12 TDs to 9 INTs is not a good ratio. He's on pace for about 20 INTs on the year.

GB12
10-25-2010, 05:03 PM
He's actually right in the same category as Brees this year. Neither has been as good as they should be so far this season.

umphrey
10-25-2010, 05:12 PM
Yeah I agree with you there but that isn't saying anything good about Rodgers

GB12
10-25-2010, 07:29 PM
Love this picture

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/808/4brett102410.jpg

PackerLegend
10-25-2010, 09:53 PM
Well atleast week 9 should be easier in theory now that were likely playing Jon Kitna.

J-Mike88
10-25-2010, 10:44 PM
Well atleast week 9 should be easier in theory now that were likely playing Jon Kitna.
That's a good point, and the Bears and Vikings already had to play them, with Romo there...... oh wait, they both beat Dallas with Romo, so......

PackerLegend
10-25-2010, 10:59 PM
That's a good point, and the Bears and Vikings already had to play them, with Romo there...... oh wait, they both beat Dallas with Romo, so......

The Bears and the Vikings also weren't missing 56665434567876 players. Which I must say im tired of hearing and people bringing up.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 08:33 AM
The Bears and the Vikings also weren't missing 56665434567876 players. Which I must say im tired of hearing and people bringing up.
I think 11-5 will be good enough to get a week one bye in the playoffs and perhaps the #1 seed in the NFC.
10-6 will win our division.

Here's what I think it will look like:
NFC North
1 10-6 ?
2 9-7 ?
3 8-8 ?
4 5-11 Lions

The Falcons and Giants have the best chances right now for the #1 & #2 seeds. But we play them both, as well as at NYJets and NE....and still at Minnesota. Man is our schedule ****** hard.

If we play as well as we think we can, we can take care of buziness right there and earn the #1 seed.

So I am shooting for the 10-win mark and I think we'll be in pretty good shape. Anything better is gravy, and we really really want to get at least a #2 seed so we get the auto bye and then a home game.

The Cowboys game just got easier.

I don't like our chances at the Jets, at Atlanta, and at New England. At Minnesota also... if we can win just 1 of those 4, and win the other games, we're 10-6 and will either host a round one playoff game, or have a bye.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 09:47 AM
How did Cullen Jenkins get hurt, in ****** pregame warmups?

Itís unclear exactly how Jenkins pulled his calf, but observers of pregame activities saw Jenkins kick at least one field goal or extra point for fun.
ďI guess he was doing his normal routine that he does before the game,Ē Trgovac said. ďThey try to make sure their legs are loose.Ē

When asked whether the normal routine included placekicking, Trgovac said: ďI donít know if he was doing that. Ö We would probably not prefer that. He told me he did it when he does a little routine where he points his toe and dips (to stretch).Ē

However it happened, it rendered him unable to play.

ďI am concerned,Ē McCarthy said. ďItís the same leg. Itís the calf strain and just the way it happened, itís definitely something to be concerned about. Weíll just have to wait and see how he comes through it. If I had to give him a status, he would be questionable for this week.Ē
We see other team's D-Linemen like Kevin Williams play game after game, never get injured, miss games or seasons like tons of our guys.
And now we lose our best D-Lineman to a pregame injury stretching or goofing off kicking?

As Vince Lombardi once said: "What the hell is going on out there!"

jsa230
10-26-2010, 10:41 AM
I cant ever remember a player getting hurt during warmups. We beat the vikings without him so i guess its a good thing we got to see some of the depth on the dline play up to par.
Lets just hope jenkins is ready next week.

jsa230
10-26-2010, 10:46 AM
I don't like our chances at the Jets, at Atlanta, and at New England. At Minnesota also... if we can win just 1 of those 4, and win the other games, we're 10-6 and will either host a round one playoff game, or have a bye.

If we can avoid any more major injuries i beleive two of those games are winnable. I really think the falcons d is way overrated right now and i like our defensive chances vs. jets offense (unless they just run all over us)

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 04:22 PM
Clay Matthews was just on Rome is Burning on ESPN.
Good stuff. I think they re-air it sometime later, maybe on the deuce.

Rome loves to rip on Farve, which I love to listen to.

princefielder28
10-26-2010, 04:41 PM
Clay Matthews was just on Rome is Burning on ESPN.
Good stuff. I think they re-air it sometime later, maybe on the deuce.

Rome loves to rip on Farve, which I love to listen to.

A little jungle karma headed our way!?!?

umphrey
10-26-2010, 06:24 PM
The Packers signed 2 special teams LBers. Surprisingly, they both have NFL experience playing for the Chargers and 49ers, with one even logging 21 starts (2 playoffs!) with San Diego. They seemed like high priority for bottom of the totem poll guys, probably because teams wanted to keep them around to play special teams.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 06:39 PM
A little jungle karma headed our way!?!?
We can hope right?

Teddy Thompson signed a pair of linebackers tonight. No DL surprisingly.
He also cut local guy Maurice Simpkins.

Eric Wilhelm, former Charger, is an ILB, run stuffer who will backup Hawk.
And this guy, OLBer from SF & Denver. He's now 248 pounds by the way.

49ers outside linebacker Diyral Briggs.

Itís hard enough to make a big impression when youíre an undrafted rookie vying for playing time in training camp.

But on two different occasions, undrafted rookie Diyral Briggsí name was said by Takeo Spikes and Patrick Willis when they were asked by the media which young player had impressed them the most in camp.

ďTo me, thatís an honor,Ē Briggs said. ďThe two of those guys noticing me, makes me know that Iím doing my job.Ē

The support from Spikes was especially meaningful to Briggs. Being a native of Cincinnati, Briggs grew up watching Spikes while he was playing with the Bengals.

ďA guy like Takeo, I used to watch him play and now itís great that Iím able to play next to him,Ē Briggs said. ďFor these guys to mention me, it makes me feel great. It makes me want to keep going a lot harder.Ē

Briggs will have one final opportunity this preseason to impress Spikes, Willis, but more importantly the 49ers coaching staff. After Fridayís game against the San Diego Chargers, the rosters will be reduced to the final 53.

The 6-4, 230-pound athletic linebacker, definitely caught the eyes of everyone when he intercepted a pass in one of the teamís joint practices with the Oakland Raiders.

ďThatís the best thing thatís happened to me all of camp!Ē Briggs said that day. ďIím just happy I was able to show my hands!Ē

Before signing with the 49ers, Briggs was showing off all of his abilities at Bowling Green State University of the Mid-American Conference.

In college, Briggs built a reputation as a devastating pass rusher.

He was an All-Conference outside linebacker. Briggs also recorded 26 sacks in his college career, which is best in school history and good enough for eighth all-time in the MAC.

He was so dominant, Bowling Green had to hide him in their defensive alignment by lining him up in different positions each game.

But for all of his success, Bowling Greenís best pass rusher was passed over in the past NFL Draft.

When the time came to find a team interested in his services, Briggsí style of play aligned perfectly with 49ers defensive coordinator Greg Manuskyís 3-4 defense.

And while heís been in camp with the 49ers, Briggs has made a strong impression on all those around him.

Thatís something not every young player achieves.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 07:00 PM
The Vikings at Packers telecast was the most-watched and highest-rated game in the five-year history of "Sunday Night Football" on NBC-TV.

According The Nielsen Company there were 25.7 million viewers of the game at Lambeau Field, which Green Bay won, 28-24. The rating for the game was 15.4 or more than 17.8 million households.

The final rating for the game in the Milwaukee market was 53.1 or 478,484 households. A Packers at Chicago Bears telecast on Sept. 27 had a 55.0 combined rating on ESPN and WISN-TV (Channel 12), which is the highest local rating for any regular-season or playoff game in the Milwaukee market since Nov. 29, 2007, when a Packers at Dallas Cowboys telecast on the NFL Network and Channel 12 had a combined rating of 55.2.

The rating for the Sunday night game in Milwaukee was the highest among 56 metered markets in the country. Following Milwaukee the highest ratings belonged to: Minneapolis (51.5), Las Vegas (23.5), New Orleans (21.5), Norfolk (21.4), Kansas City (20.4), Phoenix and Nashville (19.0 each), Chicago (18.7) and Oklahoma City (18.5).

National audiences just love the story of Brett Favre of the Vikings playing against his former team.

The Packers at Vikings game on Oct. 5, 2009, carried on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football” had more than 21.8 million viewers, making it the most-viewed show ever on cable television.

The Nov. 1 game that followed last season, Vikings at Packers, had 29.8 million viewers, the second most-viewed game on Fox Sports since it started carrying NFL games in 1994.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 07:25 PM
Pro Football Weekly, Dan Arkush
Packers MVP Meter, THRU Week 7
Hard to argue with any of these IMO.
Cullen Jenkins or BJ Raji.... since Raji has been more durable, I'd also give him the nod. We need that beef back though to stop good running teams like the Jets, and Michael Turner.

1. OLB Clay Matthews: The league's leading sacker had a quiet night on the Packers-Vikings Week Seven stat sheet with only one tackle and two QB hits, but he still continued to make his presence felt when it counted most. Matthews' pressure that led to Vikings OLT Phil Loadholt's costly personal-foul penalty ó when Loadholt grabbed Matthews' helmet late in the fourth quarter ó was a huge play.

2. CB Tramon Williams: Williams continues to play at a Pro Bowl level in the minds of many observers, outperforming 2010 PFW Defensive MVP Charles Woodson. Williams had three tackles and one special-teams tackle against the Vikings. He also provided solid coverage on the Vikings' wideouts, none of whom had more than 65 yards receiving or five catches.

3. NT B.J. Raji: Raji continued to excel above and beyond the call of duty against Minnesota, anchoring a depleted defensive line that was reduced to just him, Jarius Wynn and rookie C.J. Wilson after DE Ryan Pickett reinjured his ankle two snaps into the game and DE Cullen Jenkins came up lame with a calf injury while warming up before the game. Raji had four tackles.

4. QB Aaron Rodgers: He continued to make un-Rodgers-like throws against the Vikings, as evidenced by his two very ugly and ill-advised interceptions, but he outplayed Brett Favre for the first time (84.8 passer rating, compared to Favre's 50.4 rating) and looked very sharp early in the game. Finally winning a close game should work wonders for Rodgers' confidence.

5. OLT Chad Clifton: With solid outings the previous three games, the 34-year-old Clifton reached a higher level with his outstanding prime-time performance against the Vikings matched up against Vikings DRE Jared Allen, who had one combined tackle, one QB hit and two passes defensed, one of which was an interception right into his hands from Rodgers. Clifton has battled knee problems all season, but you certainly wouldn't know it watching him play Sunday night.
.

TitleTown088
10-26-2010, 08:20 PM
Rumor is the other guy the Packers picked up is RB James Davis.

senormysterioso
10-26-2010, 08:34 PM
Rumor is the other guy the Packers picked up is RB James Davis.

I hope it is. I loved Davis coming out of Clemson.

edit: it's LB Matt Wilhelm

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-Announce-Roster-Moves/2f799c5f-ae48-4cf2-93d4-bd436563ebff

TitleTown088
10-26-2010, 08:47 PM
I hope it is. I loved Davis coming out of Clemson.

edit: it's LB Matt Wilhelm

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-Announce-Roster-Moves/2f799c5f-ae48-4cf2-93d4-bd436563ebff


Apparently there was a third guy other than the two Lbrs, who's paperwork didn't clear in time for it to be reported today. People are saying Davis is the guy pending a medical report.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 09:07 PM
Davis won't admit it yet on Twitter.
Just in case, here are some things on James for anyone here who didn't have ESPN to see his 12+ games that were televised by ESPN. He shared the load with CJ Spiller there.

From NFL.com
Overview

Davis earned a second-round grade from the NFL Advisory Committee in 2007 after rushing for more than 3,000 yards and 36 touchdowns over his first three years at Clemson. But the two-time first-team All-ACC pick elected to return for his senior season, again showing a player's stock doesn't always increase by returning to school. He rushed for only 751 yards and 11 touchdowns in 2008; still, Davis flashed the speed, power and aggression to run over defenders to be a fine NFL back in his limited chances behind a struggling quarterback and offensive line. In the right system, he could contribute immediately. Had an arm span of 30 1/2 inches and a hand span of 10 inches at the combine.
James Davis was high on everyone's preseason All-American list. Don't believe me, check around. He was tabbed to be an All-American, or at least All-ACC this year by Lindy, Phil Steele, Playboy Magazine and Athlon. So

going into the 2008 season the writing was clearly on the wall, Davis would be a back to watch.

But somewhere along the line, the wheels came off for the 2008 Clemson Tigers, and a team of promise lost three games in a row while Davis struggled in vain to gain yards. Things got so bad for Clemson that head coach Tommy Bowden got fired after the sixth game of the season.

Still none of this should have any barring on how high Davis will go in the 2009 NFL Entry Draft, after all Davis has three impressive previous seasons under his belt. Most pro scouts will be able to see beyond Clemson's disastrous season and realize that Davis is still a top talent.

Since his high school days at Douglass High Georgia, the 5-11, 210 lb halfback has been a talent worth scouting. Davis' stellar pre career included 7,339 yards rushing and 80 TDs. From there it was off to Clemson where as a Freshman he rushed for 879 yards on 165 carries scoring 9 times in the process. His Sophomore season he would improve to 1,187 yards rushing and 17 touchdowns, earning All-ACC in the process. His impressive total included a 216 yard rushing day against Georgia. Davis would repeat as All-ACC as a Junior in 2007 when he was Clemson leading rusher for a third straight season.

Many feel James Davis is one of the best senior backs in college football today. Yet, his fellow running back in the Clemson backfield, C.J. Spiller, is the better pro prospect.

Davis has led the team in rushing since he was a freshman in 2005 and that should not end in 2008. In his first three years with the Tigers, he tallied 3,130 rushing yards and 38 total touchdowns.

During his senior year he should break just about every career rushing related record in the Clemson books.
But the perennial all-conference honoree is not just a runner. Davis is a solid pass-catcher out of the backfield, although Spiller has taken away many of those opportunities the last few years.

Even without the great numbers to back it up, Davis is very comfortable and dangerous catching the ball. The speedy 5-11, 215 pound back is a north and south type of rusher and does a great job finding the hole quickly and attacking it with his 215 pound frame.

Davis should be considered by most at this point as one of the top three senior running backs. With a decent senior season and showing at the combine, he should stay as a first day selection in the draft, but due to his consistent college numbers, he could emerge as the safest running back in the 2009 draft. 10/6

Update: For some reason the Clemson offense is sputtering and Davis is doing his part to unravel Clemson's once high expectations. Through five games, Davis is averaging just 12.2 carries per game. Obviously splitting carries with Spiller is part of the problem, but last year Davis tallied nearly 16.5 carries a game while splitting carries with Spiller.

This year the Tigers are finding themselves behind and having to throw more --which is not working very well either. Davis is still a nice looking back, but if he does not turn things around this year, his lack of production as a senior could move him down some draft boards.

12/25 Update: Davis has seen his workload increase a little bit as the season progressed and he has done a decent job with those opportunities. Through the regular, he has averaged 4.6 yards per carry and managed to reach the end zone 11 times.

On a team that struggled so much on the offensive side of the ball, Davis' ability to get into the end zone sparked the Tigers' late turnaround. 3/24

Update: In the end, Davis would have been better off entering last year's draft. He was misused much of the year and that really hurt his numbers. He could still be a nice change of pace back and somebody will take a chance on him in the third or fourth round.

umphrey
10-26-2010, 09:51 PM
Davis was hurt playing for Cleveland correct? That would fall in line with the medical report pending.

J-Mike88
10-26-2010, 10:05 PM
James Davis
He might be signing with Atlanta... he played high school ball in Georgia.
College ball in South Carolina.
He's a southern dude... if he has a choice between Atlanta and Green Bay, who's your money on?

TitleTown088
10-27-2010, 09:34 AM
He's going to the skins.

J-Mike88
10-27-2010, 02:44 PM
Teddy brings in another LB today:
ERIC WALDON

Here he is:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/chrisjnelson/ErikWalden-1.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc228/roe215/ROOKIE%20CLASS%2008/walden_360.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:FG0nkCCbRMxWqM:http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/ErikWalden_DowayneDavis_083008_300.jpg&t=1

J-Mike88
10-27-2010, 02:54 PM
Looks like the Iron Man Brett Favre may have injured Brad Jones.... Jones' shoulder is hurt now and will require surgery.

So cross Jones off next. We knew a game couldn't go by without us losing another player to IR, on defense especially.

Cue the Shawne Merriman rumors...... even though Ted has already brought in 3 not-big name LBers last night and today.

http://packersinsider.com/

PackerLegend
10-27-2010, 02:59 PM
This just in........


Aaron Rodgers sneezes and is now out for the season.

bigboiajhawk
10-27-2010, 03:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LReubrolrNQ

Eric Walden Video from his Pro-Day

Initial reaction: He looks big and strong but pretty stiff in his movements. He repped 225, 25 times at his Pro-Day.

bigboiajhawk
10-27-2010, 03:35 PM
This just in........


Aaron Rodgers sneezes and is now out for the season.



Thats not funny, didn't something like that happen to Sammy Sosa back in the day.

J-Mike88
10-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Packers have claimed NT Howard Green off waivers from the N.Y. Jets and placed LB Brad Jones on injured reserve:

BloodBrother
10-27-2010, 04:50 PM
10 players on IR already LOL

No love for the Pack from the football gods this year

TitleTown088
10-27-2010, 04:55 PM
Packers have claimed NT Howard Green off waivers from the N.Y. Jets and placed LB Brad Jones on injured reserve:

I'm a bit intrigued by Green. Should help the run defense at least.

J-Mike88
10-27-2010, 05:44 PM
I'm a bit intrigued by Green. Should help the run defense at least.
Me too... yeah, he's a big ole fat bastard. I like that against the Jets and then Michael Turner.

Our IR list is absolutely pathetic. A sick joke for being 7 games into a season.

umphrey
10-27-2010, 06:15 PM
Interesting that the Packers picked up a fat 340 lb DT who is coming straight from the Jets, the team they play this week. They obviously want to put up a man wall against the power Jets running game. I wonder if he'll bring any useful info on the Jets defense or running game. Brad Jones going on IR sucks worse than people will realize until a few weeks from now I think. He's been a decent threat at pass rushing, getting into the backfield, and making tackles. He's not great by any stretch, but he's actually athletic enough to make a play once in awhile unlike Zombo who is just kind of a guy that will fill his gap and thats it.