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cvv84
01-31-2011, 08:10 PM
The AP awards are voted on before the playoffs.

Even still, everyone that received votes when a clearcut playoff team before the end of the season.

GB12
01-31-2011, 08:20 PM
Even still, everyone that received votes when a clearcut playoff team before the end of the season.

Everyone on the list is also on a top 4 defense.

The only one that didn't belong was Urlacher. Everyone that got a vote, along with Hali and Ware, were the top candidates this year.

J-Mike88
01-31-2011, 10:42 PM
I thought Peppers would finish higher than that, 3rd at least.

PackerLegend
01-31-2011, 11:24 PM
DPOY or the Lombardi??

I think I know which one Clay would pick. Hopefully he goes out there and shows them that they ****ed up

Boston
02-01-2011, 12:33 PM
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110201/PKR01/110201068/Eagles-may-be-eyeing-another-Packers-assistant

Seriously Philly, get off Capers dick.

princefielder28
02-01-2011, 12:34 PM
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110201/PKR01/110201068/Eagles-may-be-eyeing-another-Packers-assistant

Seriously Philly, get off Capers dick.

Peter King also speculated yesterday that Dom Capers might be targeted for Tennesee's top gig

Boston
02-01-2011, 12:48 PM
Fantastic...

BloodBrother
02-01-2011, 01:26 PM
that's just Peter King speculating and nobody else. Not worried

Hawk
02-01-2011, 07:01 PM
Came in the mail today. I'm stoked

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs900.ash1/180837_499355826565_651666565_6546025_5607686_n.jp g

J-Mike88
02-01-2011, 08:37 PM
Came in the mail today. I'm stoked

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs900.ash1/180837_499355826565_651666565_6546025_5607686_n.jp g
Sweet! I almost ordered the exact same one 2 days ago from overseas but didn't think it would get here in time for the Super Bowl.

TimmG6376
02-02-2011, 07:45 AM
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110201/PKR01/110201068/Eagles-may-be-eyeing-another-Packers-assistant

Seriously Philly, get off Capers dick.

I think it is Winston Moss. Trgovac has said he isn't quite ready to go back to being a coordinator and Capers isn't going anywhere unless it is as a HC. This defense is only in year 2. He's just getting started and I doubt the Packers would allow him to even interview for a lateral move.

Moss had some buzz last offseason.

Let's hope Heimerdinger gets hired in Tennessee.

TitleTown088
02-02-2011, 09:23 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6079827

Good story.

TimmG6376
02-02-2011, 11:32 AM
In case anyone wants to check it out:

MikeAndMike Just confirmed: Green Bay #Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy will join us tomorrow at 8 AM ET! Don't miss it!

Boston
02-02-2011, 01:27 PM
*I said a couple stupid things yesterday. I said I had a crush on Taylor Swift. I should have said my celebrity crush is Ellen (DeGeneres). Couple questions made me stumble. Yesterday I enjoyed driving on highway with semis going 25 mph. In Wisconsin they know what to put on road. Semis in Wisconsin go 65 in the snow. it was fun going 40 out here and being in the fast lane.

Love it for tenn.

tjsunstein
02-03-2011, 04:28 AM
md2CwsTC4LQ

GB12
02-03-2011, 03:27 PM
Yeah, but Pittsburgh kind of owns the original soooo

neko4
02-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Yeah, but Pittsburgh kind of owns the original soooo
Sooooo GREEN N YELLOW GREEN N YELLOW GREEN N YELLOW

bigboiajhawk
02-03-2011, 06:17 PM
Favorite part of that song is when Weezy says that the Pack are gonna cut Polamalu's hair.

mqtirishfan
02-03-2011, 06:20 PM
Yeah, but Pittsburgh kind of owns the original soooo

Whatever, this is a much bigger name making a song specifically about the Packers in the Super Bowl.

PackerLegend
02-04-2011, 07:31 PM
md2CwsTC4LQ

This ones been removed because of some violation so....



BOOM


20Vrr9AqW5g

Hurricanes25
02-06-2011, 09:10 PM
Congrats guys.

Vince Lombardi
02-06-2011, 09:18 PM
The Lombardi Trophy's coming home boys!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaaagggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

neko4
02-06-2011, 09:21 PM
Yyyeeeaaaahhh you know what's good!!!!

neko4
02-06-2011, 09:21 PM
Yyyeeeaaaahhh you know what's good!!!!

Boston
02-06-2011, 09:32 PM
**** yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cvv84
02-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Dayam it feels good to be a gansta

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 09:35 PM
We are the champions... we are the champions.... no time for loooosers 'cause we are the champions... OF THE NFL!

*edit* And some idiots are now claiming "the Steelers lost the game more then the Packers won it" and neg repping me. Seriously? HAHAHA

GB12
02-06-2011, 09:43 PM
This is one of those games where you don't give a **** what people say. We just won the mother ****** Super Bowl!

Gay Ork Wang
02-06-2011, 09:43 PM
deserved the win, got robbed on the challenge, congrats.

also **** YOU

TitleTown088
02-06-2011, 09:45 PM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HangmenHeaven/Response%20Face/Feels_goodman.jpg

PackerLegend
02-06-2011, 09:45 PM
WE ARE THE ******* SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lombardi is coming home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PackerLegend
02-06-2011, 09:47 PM
Whose song is it now bitches!

20Vrr9AqW5g

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 09:48 PM
This is one of those games where you don't give a **** what people say. We just won the mother ****** Super Bowl!

Word. Since they're being whiney little 'tards, I'm working on getting their blood pressure up. 'cuz nothing they say gunna make me stop grinning.

**** YES.

senormysterioso
02-06-2011, 09:50 PM
The bar across the street from me is playing green and yellow on repeat, and i think that's ******* awesome.

ImBrotherCain
02-06-2011, 09:50 PM
Woooooooooo!!!! Great season guys... Lets just hope we have one next year to defend the title!

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 09:53 PM
Also hope Woodson's injury isn't too serious and he has a quick rehab. Same for the rest of our guys.

I also hope Finley and Grant come back with a fire 'cuz they missed out. Grant is in danger of losing reps but Finley would solve the lapses in offense we had this year. Scary to think.. 2nd youngest team in the league and our biggest star players still have a legit 5 years+ of prime, excluding Woodson. Think Rodgers, Jennings, Matthews, Raji, Tramon, Sitton.

TimmG6376
02-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Word. Since they're being whiney little 'tards, I'm working on getting their blood pressure up. 'cuz nothing they say gunna make me stop grinning.

**** YES.

Yeah it's funny. Seems like the actual Steeler fans are being pretty classy. Most of the whining is coming from Viking fans.

senormysterioso
02-06-2011, 09:55 PM
I'm so glad we extended so many guys during the season, because it's always so tough to keep together a team that wins the super bowl. Does anybody think that Ted Thompson is a bad GM anymore? The guy knows what's up.

Vince Lombardi
02-06-2011, 09:56 PM
*edit* And some idiots are now claiming "the Steelers lost the game more then the Packers won it" and neg repping me. Seriously? HAHAHA

Are they going home with the Lombardi Trophy? No? Then they can ****!!!! Honestly, the Packers let the Steelers hang around much more so than the reverse. If our receivers hadn't suddenly come up with a case of the drops then Rodgers would have had another 100 yards and 2 more touchdowns.

PackerLegend
02-06-2011, 09:56 PM
Just imagine if we actually get a running game next year and someone on the opposite side of Clay.


I think I just got a boner!

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 09:57 PM
Please CBA.. don't steal next season from us. It's supposed to be magical.

Hines
02-06-2011, 09:59 PM
Congrats on the victory. It was a great game. We made the mistakes and you guys capitalized on them. I'd rather have the Packers win than any other NFC team to be honest. Rodgers should be an elite QB after this game. Enjoy it. It's a wonderful feeling. Hope to see you next year.

Sportsfan486
02-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Congrats on the victory. It was a great game. We made the mistakes and you guys capitalized on them. I'd rather have the Packers win than any other NFC team to be honest. Rodgers should be an elite QB after this game. Enjoy it. It's a wonderful feeling. Hope to see you next year.

Yeah, hope we have a rematch. Much rather face Pitt then whiney Patriots, too-much-talk Jets, or the defensively challenge Colts. And don't think Ravens have that IT factor to make it.

cvv84
02-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Also hope Woodson's injury isn't too serious and he has a quick rehab. Same for the rest of our guys.

I also hope Finley and Grant come back with a fire 'cuz they missed out. Grant is in danger of losing reps but Finley would solve the lapses in offense we had this year. Scary to think.. 2nd youngest team in the league and our biggest star players still have a legit 5 years+ of prime, excluding Woodson. Think Rodgers, Jennings, Matthews, Raji, Tramon, Sitton.

Woodson looks like he broke his collarbone or something. Hopefully its not serious but at the very least its nice to see a guy like Shields emerge just in case.

I'm loving this right now. I feel like we could've gone 19-0 this season but that ugly loss to the Lions was just what we needed and propelled us all the way to Superbowl champions.

Hats off to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. They took it on the chin for years now, especially Ted, but tonight just goes to show what we've been building for. If you told me Jarrett Bush would play a huge roll in us winning the Superbowl I would've asked you to take a drug test.

Frank Zombo, Charlie Peprah, Howard Green, Jordy Nelson, Sam Shields - guys like this kept our season alive. Some did it in a quiet impactful way, like Peprah, and some took the challenge head on. We overcame alot this year and that just shows the makeup of this team. SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!!

cvv84
02-06-2011, 10:15 PM
OFFICIAL INJURY NEWS:

Packers CB Charles Woodson's Super Bowl-ending injury has been diagnosed as a broken collarbone. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Woodson tried to address the team at halftime, but he became too emotional and couldn’t finish.

Donald Driver's Super Bowl-ending injury has been diagnosed as a high-ankle sprain.

djp
02-06-2011, 11:21 PM
Congrats guys. Enjoy it. But don't ******* mention it after tonight.

vikes_28
02-06-2011, 11:23 PM
Congrats guys. Enjoy it. But don't ******* mention it after tonight.

QFT. I was rootin' for ya guys. I just didn't wanna see the steelers win again.

TitleTown088
02-06-2011, 11:25 PM
QFT. I was rootin' for ya guys. I just didn't wanna see the steelers win again.

http://i.imgur.com/m6Rsr.gif

mellojello
02-06-2011, 11:57 PM
I'm sure I represent all Cal Bear fans, but congrats on being the SB Champs! We are all very proud of both Aaron Rodgers & Desmond Bishop.

BloodBrother
02-07-2011, 12:22 AM
so stoked. LOVIN IT

GB12
02-07-2011, 01:12 AM
Chad Clifton has said he is not retiring.

Twiddler
02-07-2011, 01:28 AM
God damn that was so ******* awesome to watch. So many players that I was thrilled to see get this.

Also, suck it TT haters.

EvilMonkey
02-07-2011, 06:30 AM
Dear Brett Favre,

How my ass taste?


Sincerely,
Ted Thompson

drowe
02-07-2011, 06:50 AM
hey, remember when the Packers won the super bowl? i do. it was yesterday.

i couldn't sleep last night. i was too jacked. i woke up this morning and i bounced out of bed to watch tv coverage, buy a press-gazzette and read the internets. felt like christmas.

now, they need to get a CBA done so we can defend our title.

champs, bitches.

RyanBraun8
02-07-2011, 08:46 AM
Hey lets not forget now next year (..if there is a season of course) is the important year for Aaron Rodgers. Packer Super Bowls come in pairs and Bart Starr made it at 27 and 28, Brett Favre at 27 and 28, now the heavy weight champion of the world needs to keep this trend going after making and winning at 27!!!!

I hope all the TT haters enjoy getting bent because if he was any other GM in the NFL there is no chance in hell Packers would have made it this far.... the talent and depth he has brought to Green Bay is unreal. How many teams can lose 16 players to the IR and still finish the way we did! Zero!

Congrats Packers!!!

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 09:42 AM
Chad Clifton has said he is not retiring.

That's huge. Still have to find the OT of the future but at least whomever we get will have some time to develop before being thrown into the fire.

That guy is not going to be able to walk later in life. I guess he figures his knees can't get any worse.

the_legend_killer
02-07-2011, 09:44 AM
Congrats guys. You earned it.

xxxxxxxx
02-07-2011, 09:48 AM
Yo I have a question, when your team wins the super bowl and your a fan, what now?

How do you feel? Isn't it just like over? I feel liek the regular season and all the games are actually more fun then after your team wins it all. Your all pumped from last night, but then what? It's just like oh cool, now were without football for 6 months like everyone else and we get nothing for the win lol.

I'm not saying this in a bad way, I'm just curious as a fan.

Can someone give me an answer?

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 10:18 AM
There is something to what you are saying. I guess to some extent the journey is the fun part. The difference being that when you win the Super Bowl there is no debating the "what if" and "what could have been". Stoked the Packers are SB Champs but there is a little bit of "what do I do with my Sundays now?" mixed in. That is pretty much there after every season no matter how early/late it ends.

Now we turn to the draft and FA provided they work out the CBA situation.

bigbluedefense
02-07-2011, 11:13 AM
Congrats guys. Well deserved. Enjoy the moment, it really is a great feeling. You're gonna be on a football high for a good while. I remember when the Giants won it all I watched the SB DVD like 20 times at least.

Get the hats, the shirts, the DVD, and just enjoy the good times. It really is a great feeling.

Sportsfan486
02-07-2011, 11:40 AM
Yo I have a question, when your team wins the super bowl and your a fan, what now?

How do you feel? Isn't it just like over? I feel liek the regular season and all the games are actually more fun then after your team wins it all. Your all pumped from last night, but then what? It's just like oh cool, now were without football for 6 months like everyone else and we get nothing for the win lol.

I'm not saying this in a bad way, I'm just curious as a fan.

Can someone give me an answer?

It gives you the benefit of going from now until a playoff loss next season without sweating losses/injuries/whatever nearly as hard as you would have otherwise. It cements legacies. It gets the monkey off your back. Instead of nitpicking over every little thing you're able to enjoy the game more.

Packer fans love our team. We love Rodgers. To know that even if he somehow never won another Super Bowl he'd still go down with one, which is more than a lot of great QBs and players, it's something special. Even moreso, to see guys like Donald Driver.. who has fought injuries and been one of the hardest working, best character guys in the NFL.. played his entire career at Green Bay.. get that ring... wow. It's beyond gratifying. You talk about deserving it.. there's not a guy in football that deserved a ring yesterday more than Donald Driver. He goes out every game, usually injured, and he blocks. He makes catches in traffic. He makes plays. And he does it with a smile. Never complains. Never talks trash. Consistently a top wide receiver in this league, a diva position, but doesn't get attention because he doesn't talk or gloat. Seeing a guy like that get the ultimate culmination of a well-paid but physically grueling career is a special thing.

So instead of speculating over who we're going to draft or sign to get us there, we have the luxury of speculating who we're going to draft or sign to help get us back.

Especially with how young this team is and how much of a trial this season was, it's a great feeling.

That said, yup, it's definitely a bummer to have no football. Just as much as any other football fan, we'd love to have injuries reset, the draft and free agency condensed and finished tomorrow, and a new season starting Saturday.

gpngc
02-07-2011, 12:00 PM
Howard Green made the play of the game.

Ugh.

Congrats everyone!

noondog
02-07-2011, 12:10 PM
Congrats dudes. Great victory and a great game.

TitleTown088
02-07-2011, 01:42 PM
homecoming live feed

http://www.wfrv.com/news/live

umphrey
02-07-2011, 02:04 PM
I haven't taken off my 2010 Super Bowl Champions hat since I bought it last night

I was listening to Chicago sports radio for a bit on my hour and a half drive - people in Chicago are pissed because Woodson isn't getting the same hate Cutler did ... lol, silly Bears fans. Woodson gave a speech at half time where he broke down crying.

How many hyped players had almost zero affect on the game? Troy Polamalu was invisible and he looked like he was responsible for coverage on both Jennings TDs - one he came in and laid a big hit after the catch but it didn't do anything, the other he was the only guy in the picture running towards the corner of the end zone about 5 yards away. Clay Matthews had a FF and almost every play there was a running back on his side, but didn't do much himself. Driver and Woodson got hurt. All the Pittsburgh linebackers did almost nothing, completely neutralized by a 5 lineman look. 3 sacks but none I thought were because the LB won the battle and made a play.

I'm going to get a copy of this game and watch it over and over while masturbating

Aaron Rodgers had 300 yards and 3 TDs and people are grading him in the top 10 performances ever by a super bowl quarterback. They also agree that if not for a few drops he would have been 400 and 5 and the greatest super bowl performance ever.

Mike Ditka said he wouldn't take any quarterback over Aaron Rodgers. He added "if there is another quarterback that throws the ball better you'll have to show me because I haven't seen it".

How strong can this team be next year? Our biggest issue is: do we have too many good players? How are we going to send guys who won us the Lombardi trophy to the bench or tell very good players who have given a lot to the team that they got replaced because they got hurt? What about the draft? Who do we cut? I can only think of a few players like our #5 receiver, an OL and a CB.

Pat Lee looked better than he did in preseason. He might be a decent player even if it takes him 5 years in the league to get there. He's worth the risk of keeping around because he's a phenomenal special teams player.

drowe
02-07-2011, 02:14 PM
And, I gotta say....Jarrett Freaking Bush had a helluva game. he stepped up. the interception was a terrific effort on his part and he looked mostly capable the whole second half. He's been the most unversally disliked Packer over the years, but man....he came up big when we needed him.

senormysterioso
02-07-2011, 02:22 PM
And, I gotta say....Jarrett Freaking Bush had a helluva game. he stepped up. the interception was a terrific effort on his part and he looked mostly capable the whole second half. He's been the most unversally disliked Packer over the years, but man....he came up big when we needed him.

He blew a few coverages, but he did enough to get us through. I think his success on special teams really gave him some confidence.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 02:24 PM
Yo I have a question, when your team wins the super bowl and your a fan, what now?

How do you feel? Isn't it just like over? I feel liek the regular season and all the games are actually more fun then after your team wins it all. Your all pumped from last night, but then what? It's just like oh cool, now were without football for 6 months like everyone else and we get nothing for the win lol.

I'm not saying this in a bad way, I'm just curious as a fan.

Can someone give me an answer?
It gives me a great feeling that lasts well into next season. Usually around now I'm thinking about the draft, how we can get better, thinking about the key plays and missed opportunities that kept us down, but right now I'm just thinking how freaking awesome we are, how happy I am for vets like Woodson and Driver, and that Rodgers got a ring early so people can't say "well he's good but he doesn't have a ring so he's not great". I love watching ESPN and all NFL coverage for the entire offseason.

cotts1
02-07-2011, 02:24 PM
Congrats Packer fans, but watch out, Lions are taking the North next year.

Boston
02-07-2011, 02:29 PM
On the first note...SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS BABY!!!!!!!!!

I would be all for trading up in this upcoming draft again to get an impact player, rather then go for quantity. OT and OLB are really the only needs that we have at this point in time, maybe RB, but with Grant coming back and Jackson and Starks progressing I'm not worried about it at all. The future is ridiculously bright for the Packers right now. And thinking about Finley in our offense next year is reason enough to cream my pants.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 02:41 PM
I agree completely. I would trade pretty much our entire draft for Carimi, a CB, and a WR. Haven't felt that way for a long time, but we just have more deserving players than roster spots before we even get to the draft, which is extremely rare.

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 02:48 PM
I'm hoping Quarles makes a similar jump as Finley did in year 2. He isn't as physically gifted but can you imagine a 2 WR & 2 TE set with those two guys? Deadly mismatches on safeties and linebackers.

princefielder28
02-07-2011, 02:51 PM
I agree completely. I would trade pretty much our entire draft for Carimi, a CB, and a WR. Haven't felt that way for a long time, but we just have more deserving players than roster spots before we even get to the draft, which is extremely rare.

That or if the right deal comes along we go ahead and trade for future picks...i know that's not always popular but if someone comes along and offers us some compensation in this draft and a future first for our first rounder then i'm sure we'd have to listen...i think the only way we'd go ahead and do that is if Carimi, Solder and Sherrod are all off the board, which I think they will be.

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 03:02 PM
Seems to be significant depth at OLB (or OLB conversions) so I wouldn't be opposed to trading back if Houston is there and a team wants to give up some picks to come get him. If Carimi, Solder, Sherrod are all gone, what OL is really worth that pick? Why not trade back into the 2nd to get a 2nd tier OT and picks?

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 03:04 PM
BTW, anyone else see the interview of Greene and Matthews by Mariucci? Seems Greene had significant influence in picking Matthews. Maybe he can find another "diamond in the rough" (Greene's words) this year.

Sportsfan486
02-07-2011, 03:10 PM
307 yards, 67% completion, 3 TDs, 0.6 Ints

Rodgers stats per game through seven post-season games. Includes the 3 rushing TDs but NOT rushing yardage. Stare at those numbers. I haven't gone through but I'm going to go ahead and wager if he retired today those would be the best ever with 7 or more post-season starts for a QB (except maybe Kurt Warner?) although 2 of those (Bears and Giants this year) wouldn't technically count.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Seems to be significant depth at OLB (or OLB conversions) so I wouldn't be opposed to trading back if Houston is there and a team wants to give up some picks to come get him. If Carimi, Solder, Sherrod are all gone, what OL is really worth that pick? Why not trade back into the 2nd to get a 2nd tier OT and picks?
I don't know if we need an OLB at all honestly. Brad Jones is a pretty good starter and Zombo and Walden have both had success there. Poppinga will be back as well, and Chillar played there a little bit. That's 5 guys, amazing depth at the position should injuries happen and we have options if our starter isn't getting it done. If we are going to draft one, it would have to be a first round starter, and we would have to really, really like him because it might force us to cut Zombo or Jones. Poppinga probably has to get cut regardless if we want to keep Walden, who was brought in not long after Poppinga went on IR.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 03:27 PM
307 yards, 67% completion, 3 TDs, 0.6 Ints

Rodgers stats per game through seven post-season games. Includes the 3 rushing TDs but NOT rushing yardage. Stare at those numbers. I haven't gone through but I'm going to go ahead and wager if he retired today those would be the best ever with 7 or more post-season starts for a QB (except maybe Kurt Warner?) although 2 of those (Bears and Giants this year) wouldn't technically count.
I'm 99.9% sure he has the best QB rating in the playoffs ever minimum 100 attempts. He had the lead going into the game by a few points and his rating was 111.4 in the Super Bowl which is really close to what it was going into the game. Might be higher, don't remember, I know it was really close though.

Sportsfan486
02-07-2011, 03:36 PM
I don't know if we need an OLB at all honestly. Brad Jones is a pretty good starter and Zombo and Walden have both had success there. Poppinga will be back as well, and Chillar played there a little bit. That's 5 guys, amazing depth at the position should injuries happen and we have options if our starter isn't getting it done. If we are going to draft one, it would have to be a first round starter, and we would have to really, really like him because it might force us to cut Zombo or Jones. Poppinga probably has to get cut regardless if we want to keep Walden, who was brought in not long after Poppinga went on IR.

I think one of Walden or Jones could definitely emerge as a legit pass rusher. Both have shown flashes. I'd rather we address OT and CB then OLB. Also important to consider that the scheme Capers runs, DBs are really more important then a 2nd pass-rushing OLB due to the frequency of 5 DB formations.

princefielder28
02-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Seems to be significant depth at OLB (or OLB conversions) so I wouldn't be opposed to trading back if Houston is there and a team wants to give up some picks to come get him. If Carimi, Solder, Sherrod are all gone, what OL is really worth that pick? Why not trade back into the 2nd to get a 2nd tier OT and picks?

The only guy along the o-line worth picking at the bottom of round one that isn't one of the three i listed would possibly be Marcus Cannon and that would be to play left guard, which I'm not a big fan in investing a first rounder on; would much rather take John Moffitt or Danny Watkins with our second rounder. Costanzo could have entered the picture with a solid Senior Bowl but I think he's more of a mid to late second round guy at this point and I don't see Tyron Smith as a tackle prospect we wanna pursue to play the left side.

TimmG6376
02-07-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't know if we need an OLB at all honestly. Brad Jones is a pretty good starter and Zombo and Walden have both had success there. Poppinga will be back as well, and Chillar played there a little bit. That's 5 guys, amazing depth at the position should injuries happen and we have options if our starter isn't getting it done. If we are going to draft one, it would have to be a first round starter, and we would have to really, really like him because it might force us to cut Zombo or Jones. Poppinga probably has to get cut regardless if we want to keep Walden, who was brought in not long after Poppinga went on IR.

I would be Ok going into next season with Walden and Zombo competing for the starting job. Jones can't seem to stay healthy. I like Chillar but at ILB. I didn't see anything from him at OLB that convinced me he's cut out for that role. Poppinga provides depth and ST but that's about it. Wouldn't want to depend on him to start for any length of time.

I guess I'd be alright with Walden/Jones/Zombo/Chillar as 4th OLB and primary ILB backup. I think Walden has shown a lot of potential and am excited to see what Greene can do with him if OTAs and training camp actually happen this offseason. Come on CBA.

Still not opposed to bringing in a rookie with potential. I know we just beat them but the Steelers seem to always bring in young OLBs even though they have entrenched starters on both sides. That way they can develop them to be ready when the current guys retire or leave via FA. The only entrenched starter we have is Clay.

umphrey
02-07-2011, 05:21 PM
The only guy along the o-line worth picking at the bottom of round one that isn't one of the three i listed would possibly be Marcus Cannon and that would be to play left guard, which I'm not a big fan in investing a first rounder on; would much rather take John Moffitt or Danny Watkins with our second rounder. Costanzo could have entered the picture with a solid Senior Bowl but I think he's more of a mid to late second round guy at this point and I don't see Tyron Smith as a tackle prospect we wanna pursue to play the left side.
Marcus Cannon would be a bad fit IMO. Moffitt would be soso but I like his style and I like him as a prospect. Daryn Colledge might be worth keeping around though. His run blocking is pretty suspect, but he can pass block well and he never gets hurt. It might be best to keep him and have some consistency next to our new left tackle. However, UFAs off super bowl winning teams always get giant contract offers and he's not a player I would over pay for. On the other hand, he's from Alaska, went to Boise State, and won a Super Bowl in GB so there is a good chance he'd want to stay here.

If we can't get Carimi and Costanzo is on the board at 32, I want him. Carimi is my #1 OT, Costanzo my #2, and after that it gets pretty dicey. Not many players that have a chance on the left edge besides those two. Tyron Smith is trash. Solder is too tall for my liking and I don't like his pro potential much. DeMarcus Love and Derek Sherrod are both interesting options. They sound good on paper but I haven't seen any tape on them. I might have to do some homework on them.

Boston
02-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Our defense is going to be ridiculous next year. Capers is going to get a ton of linebackers back from injury to play around with, we'll probably see the Big Okie set again with Chillar coming back from injury now, and with Shields and Williams developing further, along with Matthews/Raji/Walden, Mike Neal coming back from injury, Barnett possibly coming back depending on whether or not we sign him to a new contract. Kind of a ramble, but we have some seriously good things to be excited about for next year.

GB12
02-07-2011, 06:25 PM
And, I gotta say....Jarrett Freaking Bush had a helluva game. he stepped up. the interception was a terrific effort on his part and he looked mostly capable the whole second half. He's been the most unversally disliked Packer over the years, but man....he came up big when we needed him.
He had the half good-half very lucky interception, but other than that he was his usual terrible self on defense. He was beat in coverage multiple times, including getting owned for a TD.
I don't know if we need an OLB at all honestly. Brad Jones is a pretty good starter and Zombo and Walden have both had success there. Poppinga will be back as well, and Chillar played there a little bit. That's 5 guys, amazing depth at the position should injuries happen and we have options if our starter isn't getting it done. If we are going to draft one, it would have to be a first round starter, and we would have to really, really like him because it might force us to cut Zombo or Jones. Poppinga probably has to get cut regardless if we want to keep Walden, who was brought in not long after Poppinga went on IR.
That's the great thing about being Super Bowl Champions, we don't have many needs. Could we get by at OLB with what we have? Definitely. However if we can get another big time player opposite Matthews it'll make our already top defense much better. I don't think it's first round or nothing either. If Capers and Greene can make UDFAs and 7th rounders into decent players, I think they could do more with say a 3rd round talent. I'd have no problem cutting Zombo either.

Vince Lombardi
02-07-2011, 09:20 PM
This is a total homer pick, and not our greatest need by any means, but God would I love to see JJ Watt on that Packers' defense for years to come! His relentlessness reminds me a lot of a young Aaron Kampman albeit with the extra size necessary to fit in as a 3-4 DE.

RockJock07
02-07-2011, 09:24 PM
It seems like most of the coaches are going to come back which I think is key to the off-season. As most have said, TT, MM, and Aaron is a killer combo and I think most of the other coaches see that they have a great shot of repeating.

I really wonder if TT goes against the grain this year and trades up to get an impact guy. At this point I think most Packers fans watch the draft and need to not listen to ESPN or NFL Network when they say this pick is a reach because TT gives Mike the guys and says, coach em up which Mike has proven he can do.

I'd really love Jerrel Jernigan from Troy, solid small school WR that can help in the Special Teams area too.

LonghornsLegend
02-07-2011, 09:25 PM
Congrats guys. You gotta be excited about winning the SB and knowing you get a ton of players back, I can't believe Rodgers played so well and gets his favorite toy in Jermichael back next season to boot.


I'm also excited about Sam Shields, I knew you guys had a find with him. I watched him in your scrimmage and came over just to post my thoughts on him, and it was obvious that he had talent, a bunch of it. He seems to be what I thought Mike Hawkins would be for you guys a few years ago, I don't know if he can develop into a #1 guy or not, but he's certainly not lacking potential and he still is gonna get alot better.



I would just continue to build the O-line, because that's always gonna be important, and focus everything else on the defense making plays. Capers was a hot name, enjoy him for probably 1 more season. He was almost on the Cowboys D staff a few years ago, and easily could have been our choice this year over Rob Ryan if you guys didn't make the playoffs.



After this run though, he's a HC candidate next season, might as well go all out next year on that side and enjoy it while things are good.


In fact here it is:


I watched the whole game(thank you NFL Network), football is football to me and I wouldn't mind watching more of those games from different teams.


Finley was a beast as expected, he's gotten so much bigger, his blocking looked alot better and stronger at the POA, and he gets alot of looks inside the red zone which could become a trend.


Jordy also looks like he could become a starter at some point, that early catch was pretty sick.


I also came away very impressed with Sam Shields, you guys may have something with him, very intriguing player I'll be keeping an eye on.



Only guy who was missing in the SB was Finley :( But looks like there was some sort of theme starting that night at least. Makes me glad I was able to catch that scrimmage.

GB12
02-07-2011, 09:40 PM
Capers was a hot name, enjoy him for probably 1 more season. He was almost on the Cowboys D staff a few years ago, and easily could have been our choice this year over Rob Ryan if you guys didn't make the playoffs.
I'm sick of people, well actually it's really just Cowboys fans, saying that. Other than for a head coaching job, what possible reason would he have to leave Green Bay?

LonghornsLegend
02-07-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm sick of people, well actually it's really just Cowboys fans, saying that. Other than for a head coaching job, what possible reason would he have to leave Green Bay?


You just said it yourself. A head coaching job. I think after 1 more great season on that side of the ball he'll get a shot. I didn't say he would leave this off-season, I just said he would have been a candidate for us, or a "choice". Not that he would have up and left or anything, just that we would have probably tried to pry him away.

RockJock07
02-07-2011, 09:49 PM
I'm sick of people, well actually it's really just Cowboys fans, saying that. Other than for a head coaching job, what possible reason would he have to leave Green Bay?

IMO, If Dom were 15-20 years younger he probably take another HC job. I think he's almost 60 and probably realizes that TT is going to continue to get him players and he can help build a dynasty with MM and Aaron.

All the coaches need to look at the Patriots coaches over the last number of years and realize that sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Vince Lombardi
02-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Congrats guys. You gotta be excited about winning the SB and knowing you get a ton of players back, I can't believe Rodgers played so well and gets his favorite toy in Jermichael back next season to boot.


I'm also excited about Sam Shields, I knew you guys had a find with him. I watched him in your scrimmage and came over just to post my thoughts on him, and it was obvious that he had talent, a bunch of it. He seems to be what I thought Mike Hawkins would be for you guys a few years ago, I don't know if he can develop into a #1 guy or not, but he's certainly not lacking potential and he still is gonna get alot better.



I would just continue to build the O-line, because that's always gonna be important, and focus everything else on the defense making plays. Capers was a hot name, enjoy him for probably 1 more season. He was almost on the Cowboys D staff a few years ago, and easily could have been our choice this year over Rob Ryan if you guys didn't make the playoffs.



After this run though, he's a HC candidate next season, might as well go all out next year on that side and enjoy it while things are good.


In fact here it is:






Only guy who was missing in the SB was Finley :( But looks like there was some sort of theme starting that night at least. Makes me glad I was able to catch that scrimmage.

I shudder to think at the possibility of losing Capers at some point, as he's obviously the mastermind behind our defensive success, but I'm not entirely convinced that he's interested in pursuing another head coaching gig down the road. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but at 60 years old - which isn't really that old at all, but old enough - in a league obsessed with the latest and greatest "prodigies," he may opt to take the Dick Lebeau approach and focus on doing what he does best at a place where the sky's the limit. He's been a coach in this league for 30 odd years and just now got his 1st Super Bowl victory, I've got to imagine that it tastes pretty sweet to him - as surely the possibility of adding a few more must. Now he may very well want to put his own stamp on a team and try to cement a legacy as a successful head coach, but he's got to be acutely aware of the fact that, should he stay on in GB, he could be as legendary and revered in this city as Lebeau is in Pittsburgh. Now that's not a bad legacy by any means.

LonghornsLegend
02-07-2011, 09:56 PM
That's true, I didn't consider his age. Maybe I'm just used to the common theme where all these OC's and DC's are jumping ship to the "next best thing". He has a great set-up in place so he could be fine right where he is until he retires.

GB12
02-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but at 60 years old - which isn't really that old at all, but old enough - in a league obsessed with the latest and greatest "prodigies," he may opt to take the Dick Lebeau approach and focus on doing what he does best at a place where the sky's the limit.
LeBeau took a head coaching job when he was 63.

jackalope
02-07-2011, 10:52 PM
I was at Lambeau today for the return. I have family going for the big show tomorrow, but that didn't work into my schedule. Definitely worth it. My friends and I got a spot along the fence (near the main stairs) and received several highfives. The players were great, but the one guy you could tell was really appreciating the moment was Driver. He came along the fence and was individually putting his hand on the hands of the fans shaking them. Getting a look at the Lombardi and a shake from Quickie was a great experience.

RockJock07
02-07-2011, 11:14 PM
Fantastic Interview with Rodgers and Letterman!!!!

senormysterioso
02-08-2011, 08:56 AM
I have to post this somewhere, and I figured this would be the least inflammatory place.

http://i.imgur.com/bI01f.png

drowe
02-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Rodgers needs some sleep. in Dallas for the game on sunday...stayed there sunday night. monday, went to disney world for the super bowl MVP parade and commercial shoot. Then, off to New York to do Letterman on monday night. Now back in GB for the celebration.

Dude had to spend time in 4 states in the last 40 hours.

bearsfan_51
02-08-2011, 12:35 PM
I have to post this somewhere, and I figured this would be the least inflammatory place.

http://i.imgur.com/bI01f.png
Ain't that the ******* truth....

TimmG6376
02-08-2011, 01:03 PM
Capers was a hot name, enjoy him for probably 1 more season. He was almost on the Cowboys D staff a few years ago, and easily could have been our choice this year over Rob Ryan if you guys didn't make the playoffs.

You just said it yourself. A head coaching job. I think after 1 more great season on that side of the ball he'll get a shot. I didn't say he would leave this off-season, I just said he would have been a candidate for us, or a "choice". Not that he would have up and left or anything, just that we would have probably tried to pry him away.

Initially you said "over Rob Ryan" whom was hired as DC. Since he is under contract the Cowboys would need to get permission before interviewing Capers for a lateral move. Or did you mean that he would have been a candidate for the HC position?

Sportsfan486
02-08-2011, 02:38 PM
Capers is likely to get paid head coach type money to stay in GB. He's doing something he's successful at, opposed to his, frankly, failures as a HC. He has a surplus of young talent that buy into his season and any new talent that comes in will buy into it as well, do to Super Bowl success and strong character guys on that team. Right now you have Woodson as a leader and for years to come we have Matthews and Raji whom are both building themselves as leaders in their own right.

Unless Capers thinks he can win as a HC, he won't leave. And frankly he won't be a top name on people's wishlists. Guys like Gruden will always rank ahead of him for the primo opportunities and there's no way he leaves to go coach a Houston Texans type of team. People already knew he was a top 3 defensive coordinator, that doesn't change his faults as a head coach.

johbur
02-08-2011, 03:12 PM
What a great year! Beating the Bears at Soldier Field and accepting the Halas Trophy there. Then it gets one better and the Packers beat the Steelers for the Vince Lobardi trophy, in Dallas with Jerry Jones watching. So, so sweet!
On the assumption these knuckleheads can work out soemthing to split a $9 billion revenue stream, GB also has the 16 guys coming back from injury and Johnny Jolly back from suspension, if he's not in prison and the Packers still want him. Toss in that TT gets to pick another handful of players for the draft and the team has great looking long-term prospects.
Go, Pack, Go!!!

EvilMonkey
02-08-2011, 03:56 PM
People started tailgating in the early AM and the welcome back was sold out. God I love Packer fans.

BloodBrother
02-08-2011, 05:12 PM
Sold it out when it was 7 degrees with a -10 windchill.

J-Mike88
02-08-2011, 08:56 PM
I uploaded a few video clips I took at the game.
Here was the cool Packers intro. Not sure if Fox showed you viewers this on the broadcast, but seeing it there in person, and watching it here over & over, I have to tell you, it still gives me goosebumps as it did then!!!

What a moment.
I also got the opening kickoff uploaded as well.
You can see how huge this place is.... we were way up, but there were thousands and thousands higher up.

6tJnDO923X4

bigboiajhawk
02-08-2011, 10:43 PM
Just got back from the Return to Titletown event today and let me tell you it was amazing. Got to slap hands with B.J. Raji as he was leaving the stadium. Really wish I could've touched the trophy, but being there was amazing.

Donald Driver got the loudest and longest ovation out of them all. And I would like to put it out there that I started the MVP chant for AROD at the stadium.

What an amazing season!!!!!

Sportsfan486
02-09-2011, 11:21 AM
Just got back from the Return to Titletown event today and let me tell you it was amazing. Got to slap hands with B.J. Raji as he was leaving the stadium. Really wish I could've touched the trophy, but being there was amazing.

Donald Driver got the loudest and longest ovation out of them all. And I would like to put it out there that I started the MVP chant for AROD at the stadium.

What an amazing season!!!!!

I really hope you went home without washing your hand and fapped. It's only appropriate.

TimmG6376
02-09-2011, 02:05 PM
I don't know if anyone here also follows MMA but this is pretty cool.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/538905/chucklidell.jpg

Boston
02-09-2011, 04:00 PM
Wow, Packers are Super Bowl champions and NFL Network just had a show about the 98 Vikings...great weak or greatest week?

Vince Lombardi
02-10-2011, 02:55 PM
I really hope you went home without washing your hand and fapped. It's only appropriate.

I don't think that's what people refer to when they talk about getting a BJ. But hey, to each his own...

umphrey
02-10-2011, 04:43 PM
Watched the Super Bowl again. Man I would have loved to see Woodson play the second half. I was ready to cut James Jones a few days ago but on second replay he made some good, key catches and only had 1 drop which would have been a tough catch. He should have had it, but it wasn't an easy play. Ben played horrible about 75% of the snaps. Rodgers might have played the perfect game. Every throw he made was right there, lots of them he threaded right between a corner and a linebacker while looking off a safety. The only plays that maybe he could have done better on were the 3 sacks, but who knows what options he had on those plays.

GB12
02-10-2011, 05:20 PM
I am getting so annoyed with the cut James Jones people. I hope we sign him to a long term deal. He's our starter along with Jennings next year, even if Driver is technically the one listed.

J-Mike88
02-10-2011, 05:55 PM
I am getting so annoyed with the cut James Jones people. I hope we sign him to a long term deal. He's our starter along with Jennings next year, even if Driver is technically the one listed.
Rodgers threw 6 passes Jones way, and 5 were completions. That's pretty good by my math and that was the best of any of the WRs, other than the 2-2 to Driver.

Jones seems to be great at catching the low ones.

Next year targets:

#1- Jennings (24%)
#2- Finley (22%)
#3- Jones (17%)
#4- Jordyzz (12%)
#5- Driver (10%)
#6- Others (15%)

jackalope
02-10-2011, 06:01 PM
Plenty of guys with their contracts up. Will be interesting to see how the CBA affects things.

Cullen Jenkins-Should be the top priority this offseason. The defensive line should be in great shape after getting Jolly and Neal back, but Jenkins is far too valuable to let go.

James Jones- With James Jones, we have the best receiving corps in the league. Without him, it's very good, but not elite. He's had his problem with drops, but as he gets more consistent opportunities, that should improve. This one is probably up to Jones. With Finley coming back, he might decide to move on and be a starter somewhere else. That would be understandable on his part, but the team should make a hard push to keep him. He's not as dispensable as some have made him out to be.

Daryn Colledge- Also should be brought back. Might not be the best guard, but I don't see us doing any better. Can't risk going into the draft with nobody at LG.

Mason Crosby- I'd be happy to stay with Crosby. Should be easy to re-sign.

Atari Bigby- If we bring back Peprah, there isn't much room or use for Bigby.

Charlie Peprah- This is one of the most interesting decisions. It's hard to imagine that the front office doesn't see Burnett as the long term starter. He looked good in the few games he played and has more upside than Peprah. If they can bring back Peprah cheap and have an open competition between him and Burnett, by all means do that. Otherwise, you probably have to let a very serviceable player walk.

John Kuhn- Fan favorite, we make great use of him in Green Bay, no reason he won't be brought back.

Brandon Jackson- Probably gone. He's a good third down back, not a starter. With the emergence of Starks and return of Grant, Jackson will probably want to get a shot somewhere else.

Korey Hall- He's my third favorite of our fullbacks, but he should stick around. Good special teamer.

Jason Spitz-Gone. He should be able to find a starting job somewhere else. In retrospect, we should have traded him before the start of the season.

Matt Wilhelm- Doesn't matter.

Anthony Smith- Doesn't matter.

GB12
02-10-2011, 06:16 PM
Anthony Smith already resigned, and I think it does matter. It allows us to let Bigby go.

FS: Nick Collins SS: Charlie Peprah, backups: Morgan Burnett, Anthony Smith.

Jenkins, Jones, Crosby, Peprah, and Kuhn should definitely be brought back.

The only reason I didn't include Colledge is to hold out the ever ridiculously slim hope that we could sign one of Nicks/Mankins/Joseph. Otherwise Colledge has to be back. I do not want to go into the season with TJ Lang as our starting LG. Colledge was actually good this year. He's very solid in pass protection, it's just frustrating that he offers next to nothing in the run game.

Brandon Jackson could go either way. I'd probably let him go. We can use Kuhn as a third down back if Starks can't do it or we don't get someone in the draft that can.

I have a feeling Hall will go somewhere that he is the only fullback on the roster instead of one of three. I'm perfectly fine with keeping three fullbacks though if he does come back.

Matt Wilhelm has no chance of making our roster next year even if we sign him to an offseason contract.

J-Mike88
02-10-2011, 06:17 PM
I want to keep Peprah very badly. Used to be a Bigby backer, not anymore.
Keep Peprah, and hope Burnett isn't brittle.

Kuhn has to stay.
I really like Brandon Jackson the person, and the 3rd down guy.

I'd almost rather trade Ryan Grant if there was a fair offer for him, and keep the RBs as they were down the stretch this season.

Jackson's emotion brought tears to my eye the other day. He loves Green Bay and wants to stay. I think Ted & Mike value character and heart more than any other organization. I hope he stays >>>unless we draft a stud PR/KR who can be the 3rd RB.

Sniper
02-11-2011, 11:24 AM
CHARLES WOODSON GOT A SUPER BOWL RING, MOFOS!

Greatness.

BloodBrother
02-11-2011, 12:34 PM
Can never have enough quality Dlineman. With Jolly coming back, Neal healthy, I would LOVE to see them bring Jenkins back...but after his interview tuesday I'm just not optimistic about it. I think he's looking for a big payday(don't blame him he's earned it) but I doubt the Pack give it to him

James Jones I don't know what they'll do. I assume they want him back, but he might not want to be back. He might get offered bigger bucks by a lesser team to be "their guy" while in Green Bay he'd be a #2/3 splitting reps with Jordy.

Colledge - another guy who will be looking to cash in, and I don't know if the Pack will want to pay him. He has been solid, nothing spectacular. I'd rather they bring him back as well, since I do not like them to continue changing up the OL year after year. They finally got some continuity and I want to keep it as is

Crosby - he'll be back

Bigby - he's gone. McCarthy preaches about accountability and availability and the guy just hasn't been available much lately with nagging injuries. Doesn't help that Peprah/Burnett most likely have passed him up on the depth chart

Peprah - Don't think he'll cost much so I believe he'll be back

Kuhn/Jackson/Hall - I believe they bring both Kuhn and Jackson back, and let Hall go. Kuhn/Johnson will be the main FB's while Jackson continues to be the 3rd down back.

Spitz/Wilhelm are both gone.

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 12:45 PM
Can never have enough quality Dlineman. With Jolly coming back, Neal healthy, I would LOVE to see them bring Jenkins back...but after his interview tuesday I'm just not optimistic about it. I think he's looking for a big payday(don't blame him he's earned it) but I doubt the Pack give it to him

Losing Jenkins would be a big blow for our defense. He was our second best pass rusher until Raji emerged late in the season.

James Jones, yeah, I think we need to try and keep him. It limits our options with Swain as a #3/4 pretty drastically and as we've seen from this season, we can't expect explosiveness and consistently being available from Driver.

Problem with both is they'll be looking for big pay days. Jenkins might get one, hard to see us paying Jones #1 money in any way, though.

BloodBrother
02-11-2011, 01:30 PM
I expect the Packers to tag JEnkins if they can't work something out. I really want him back. Pickett/Jolly at LDE, Raji/Green or Pickett if Green isn't back at NT, and Jenkins/Neal at RDE. That is one awesome Dline

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 03:50 PM
I expect the Packers to tag JEnkins if they can't work something out. I really want him back. Pickett/Jolly at LDE, Raji/Green or Pickett if Green isn't back at NT, and Jenkins/Neal at RDE. That is one awesome Dline

I can definitely see us tagging Jenkins. People underestimate how important a 3-4 DE of his ability is. And who says we're bringing Jolly back? Considering how much we emphasize character, I wouldn't be shocked to see him traded. And Jenkins > Jolly at this point, in my opinion.

I think if we lose Jones we need to make a play for a legit #3 type WR. That'd probably have to happen through the draft, though.

Very hard to see us bring back more then 1, 2 tops, out of A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, James Jones, Cullen Jenkins, Bigby.

If you can only have 1 of those, who'd it be? Who'd be the 2nd?

I'd go Jenkins then Hawk. I think it's pretty clear at this point that Bigby and Barnett won't be back.

GB12
02-11-2011, 04:24 PM
I can definitely see us tagging Jenkins. People underestimate how important a 3-4 DE of his ability is. And who says we're bringing Jolly back? Considering how much we emphasize character, I wouldn't be shocked to see him traded. And Jenkins > Jolly at this point, in my opinion. Jenkins has always been better than Jolly. 2009 Jolly was quite good though, and if he is anywhere near that form I'd bring him back. I don't think the "character concerns" for him would scare us off. We kept him around for the two years he put off the suspension after it happened. If we don't bring him back it'll be performance based.


Very hard to see us bring back more then 1, 2 tops, out of A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, James Jones, Cullen Jenkins, Bigby.

If you can only have 1 of those, who'd it be? Who'd be the 2nd?

I'd go Jenkins then Hawk. I think it's pretty clear at this point that Bigby and Barnett won't be back.
Barnett shouldn't be included in that group. He's already signed to a reasonable deal. The only way he could be gone is if we want Hawk instead.

Bigby is gone. Peprah earned the starting spot and Burnett is a decent option as the third safety. No reason to keep him around unless he comes real cheap.

Jenkins is clearly #1. I don't think you can really argue otherwise. After that I'd say James Jones.

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 04:27 PM
Barnett shouldn't be included in that group. He's already signed to a reasonable deal. The only way he could be gone is if we want Hawk instead.


Man, I guess Jolly is still under contract, too, 'cuz of his suspension. I foresee him getting traded for a mid-rounder.

I think it's pretty clear we want Hawk over Barnett. Bishop has made Barnett rather pointless and he's been a distraction, not to mention injury prone. I can't think of anyone that wouldn't like to see us drop Barnett if it means working out a reasonable contract with Hawk.

I loved Barnett in a 4-3, but he's never fit as a 3-4.

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 04:55 PM
Man, I guess Jolly is still under contract, too, 'cuz of his suspension. I foresee him getting traded for a mid-rounder.

I think it's pretty clear we want Hawk over Barnett. Bishop has made Barnett rather pointless and he's been a distraction, not to mention injury prone. I can't think of anyone that wouldn't like to see us drop Barnett if it means working out a reasonable contract with Hawk.

-I loved Barnett in a 4-3, but he's never fit as a 3-4.
I would love to get a mid-rounder for Jolly.

-Hawk over Barnett.... agree. For many reasons.
#1- he's better
#2- he's more durable
#3- he's younger
#4- he doesn't b*tch and tweet his every thought
#5- he doesn't get arrested over some night club incident and claim racism
#6- Ted drafted Hawk. Ted did not draft Barnett

I wonder if either Jolly or Barnett would fetch anything in a trade.
Would it send a bad message to the rest of the team if we shipped Barnett, Jolly, and Ryan Grant to Cleveland or Buffalo for a #2 draft pick?

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 04:59 PM
I wonder if either Jolly or Barnett would fetch anything in a trade.
Would it send a bad message to the rest of the team if we shipped Barnett, Jolly, and Ryan Grant to Cleveland or Buffalo for a #2 draft pick?

No chance whatsoever Ryan Grant isn't on our team next year and no reason whatsoever he shouldn't be. Grant + Starks gives us 2 legit running backs and with injuries and such, it's been proven time and time again by our team that more running backs is a good thing.

Plus, TT won't make any flashy trades. I can see Jolly straight up for a 5th rounder, Barnett to a 4-3 team for a 3rd or 4th, though. Barnett played at a pro-bowl level for most of his 4-3 years. And I trust TT to turn a 4th and a 5th into value.

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 05:07 PM
No chance whatsoever Ryan Grant isn't on our team next year and no reason whatsoever he shouldn't be. Grant + Starks gives us 2 legit running backs and with injuries and such, it's been proven time and time again by our team that more running backs is a good thing.

Plus, TT won't make any flashy trades. I can see Jolly straight up for a 5th rounder, Barnett to a 4-3 team for a 3rd or 4th, though. Barnett played at a pro-bowl level for most of his 4-3 years. And I trust TT to turn a 4th and a 5th into value.
^ That all would be great! ^
I'd also like to keep Brandon Jackson by the way. He's very important to Rodgers on 3rd downs, and I think his best is still in front of him. I can see him blossoming into a Kevin Faulk type for Aaron over the next 5 years.

bigboiajhawk
02-11-2011, 05:14 PM
Far and away the best superbowl video on NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/09000d5d81e417f9/Sound-FX-Super-Bowl-XLV-part-3


As far as Free agents are concerned:

I truly believe Jenkins is gone, sad as it is, as he has at least 3 or 4 years of Pro Bowl play left in him. But I think we will get back a rejuvenated Johnny Jolly, who was probably the teams best DL in 2009.

http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.com/blogs/gpg/insider/2011/02/11/jolly-applies-for-reinstatement/

I think Colledge is gone, but Spitz will be back to fight with Lang for the starting LG spot. When healthy, I always liked Spitz more than Colledge.

I think both FB's will be back, the Pack will still keep 3 FB's next season as Hall is invaluable at special teams and Kuhn can play RB and FB.

Donald Lee will be gone and the Packers will keep only 3 TE's.

James Jones will be back, he is so close to taking over for DD.

I think with B-Jax it will come to whether he wants to be a 3rd down specialist or try elsewhere, I think if they can resign him they will, my guess is he goes for a starting gig. I am hoping I am wrong on this one.

Wilhelm will be gone as will Bigby.

Peprah will be resigned and will battle with Burnett for the starting spot.

I think Tausch will retire.

I think Poppinga is on the outs even though they gave him a stupid contract.

I think between Barnett and Hawk one of them will have to go. I would prefer Hawk to stay over Barnett because I think he is just getting into his groove in the middle.

I know their will be plenty of subtractions from the current roster, but we still are going to have to extend Raji, Matthews, Finley, and Sitton in the future, all of which are going to command top dollar, so the cap flexibility will be crucial to the Packers continued success.

Jmohr107
02-11-2011, 06:01 PM
Some more good news... TT locked up.

The Green Bay Packers have signed General Manager Ted Thompson to a multi-year contract extension, team president Mark Murphy said Friday.

Murphy said the sides actually agreed to the deal in December but wanted to wait until after the season to announce it so it wouldn’t be a distraction for the team in its successful bid to win the Super Bowl.

Thompson had two years remaining on his contract. Murphy wouldn’t comment on the length of the deal, but the last time Thompson did a contract extension, in January 2008, he also had two years remaining, and it extended his deal to five years.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110211/PKR01/110211163/Packers-extend-GM-Thompson-s-contract

bigboiajhawk
02-11-2011, 06:03 PM
Well let the coaching shuffle begin:

The Dallas Cowboys have hired Jimmy Robinson as their new wide receivers coach. Robinson held that same position with the Packers for the past five seasons.

Dallas will be Robinson’s sixth NFL franchise in a pro coaching career that has spanned more than two decades. He also coached wide receivers for Atlanta (1990-93), Indianapolis (1994-97), the N.Y. Giants (1998-2003) and New Orleans (2004-05) before coming to Green Bay (2006-10).

Robinson’s ties to Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett stem from his time with the Giants. Garrett was the team’s backup quarterback during part of that time period.

While with Green Bay, Robinson saw two of his receivers make the NFC’s Pro Bowl roster. Donald Driver was selected in both 2006 and 2007, and Greg Jennings was selected this year, though he didn’t play in the game because the Packers advanced to the Super Bowl.

Robinson played WR for six seasons with three different teams (1976-81). He played in college at Georgia Tech, where he is a member of the school’s hall of fame.


http://blog.packers.com/2011/02/11/cowboys-hire-wr-coach-robinson/

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 06:22 PM
Well let the coaching shuffle begin:




http://blog.packers.com/2011/02/11/cowboys-hire-wr-coach-robinson/

Meh, he can't teach our WRs not to drop balls and Donald Driver and Greg Jennings hardly owe their success to him. Least important of our position coaches, imo.

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 07:31 PM
I agree.
Not a big loss.
Jimmy must like the potential for things to go up in Dallas with Dez Bryant and Miles Austin.
For him, that's a sell-high (now), buy low-sell high easy call. Dallas' offense will get a lot better with Romo healthy and Dez in year #2. Now he'll stand to get a lot of credit regardless.

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 07:41 PM
Far and away the best superbowl video on NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/09000d5d81e417f9/Sound-FX-Super-Bowl-XLV-part-3
Sweet.
Anyone here know how to EMBED these videos?
On youtube, they have the code. Here, no clue. But you guys are way more tech-savvy than I am, right?

J-Mike88
02-11-2011, 08:50 PM
I wonder if any of these guys, specifically the WRs, will be able to step-up next year or the year after and make some plays. Remember, guys like Tramon Williams and John Kuhn were practice squaders for us, and James Harrison for Baltimore/Pitt. I liked Chastin West in preseason.

The Packers added nine players to their off-season roster Wednesday, signing their entire practice squad and one member of practice squad / injured reserve, according to a source with access to the NFL's transaction wire.

The eight who finished the regular season on the practice squad are: guard Adrian Battles, tackle Chris Campbell, safety Michael Greco, linebacker Cardia Jackson, wide receivers Antonio Robinson and Chastin West, defensive tackle Jay Ross and defensive end Curtis Young.

BloodBrother
02-11-2011, 09:16 PM
maybe one can step up and become a legit KR/PR

princefielder28
02-11-2011, 09:29 PM
Michael Greco is a physical freak, maybe he can become something

Sportsfan486
02-11-2011, 09:36 PM
I agree.
Not a big loss.
Jimmy must like the potential for things to go up in Dallas with Dez Bryant and Miles Austin.
For him, that's a sell-high (now), buy low-sell high easy call. Dallas' offense will get a lot better with Romo healthy and Dez in year #2. Now he'll stand to get a lot of credit regardless.

Exactly what I thought. He goes to a team with Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Roy Williams that struggled this year and next year he looks awesome and transitions into an OC job somewhere.

Whatever, I could give a damn about a WR coach. Least important position coach in the NFL. "Hai guyz, go 15 yards, cut right, catch the ball."

The only time a WR does anything that isn't specifically scripted is on scrambles, and then they just go the direction the QB is scrambling and towards him. Let's face it, being a WR doesn't involve tons of coaching.

J-Mike88
02-12-2011, 07:59 AM
maybe one can step up and become a legit KR/PR
Anyone know anything about WR Antonio Robinson?

We've had a nice recent history with guys coming off practice squad and blossoming into players for us. I gotta think that continues going forward.... would love to see a WR or DB help charge the return game!

someone447
02-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Let's face it, being a WR doesn't involve tons of coaching.

That's just wrong. Route running is an incredibly important part of being a receiver, and that is what good coaches help. A good coach will get the players to the point where the timing is perfect every time. Their routes will be identical every time they run it and the QB will know exactly where the receiver will end up on every play. Sloppy route running kills many good receivers.

Sportsfan486
02-12-2011, 01:50 PM
That's just wrong. Route running is an incredibly important part of being a receiver, and that is what good coaches help. A good coach will get the players to the point where the timing is perfect every time. Their routes will be identical every time they run it and the QB will know exactly where the receiver will end up on every play. Sloppy route running kills many good receivers.

Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. But it's not as important as other positions, especially when you reach the pro level and should at least have a knowledge of all the routes and it's all about tweaking.

A WR doesn't have to make reads or adjustments, he goes out, runs a route or blocks, and catches the football or blocks.

Coaching is always important but I think there's a reason the WR position attracts the most divas.. because it involves the least coaching.

someone447
02-12-2011, 02:03 PM
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. But it's not as important as other positions, especially when you reach the pro level and should at least have a knowledge of all the routes and it's all about tweaking.

A WR doesn't have to make reads or adjustments, he goes out, runs a route or blocks, and catches the football or blocks.

Coaching is always important but I think there's a reason the WR position attracts the most divas.. because it involves the least coaching.

Again, not true. Especially in the NFL--the WR position requires reading and adjustments. There are very few plays that have a receiver run a set route(quick slant, fade, fade stop, or anything on the backside being the exceptions). The receivers need to know how to run the route and also which route the QB expects them to run vs the defense they are facing.

Is a WR coach as important as a QB coach or an Oline/Dline coach? No, not even close. He probably isn't as important as a linebackers coach. But he is at least as important as a DB or RB coach.

WR attracts the most divas because it is a glory position. It involves very little dirty work. Not to mention, the most athletically gifted people usually end up at WR; those are the people who have been deified their entire lives because of their unique ability. That turns anyone into a diva. Its the same reason corners are such divas.

umphrey
02-12-2011, 03:34 PM
Sweet.
Anyone here know how to EMBED these videos?
On youtube, they have the code. Here, no clue. But you guys are way more tech-savvy than I am, right?
You have to download it and upload it to youtube... takes about 5 minutes tops when you know how to do it

Free agents: the only essentials are Mason Crosby and a LG (assuming Colledge). Jenkins is one of the best 3-4 DEs in the game and is our only real pass rusher besides Clay. The only player we have that could play his position is Mike Neal, not Jolly, because Jolly doesn't get the push or penetration Jenkins does. Obviously Jenkins is a 10x better option than Neal but we have to deal with inflated contract offers from teams who want a player with a ring. It's a fine line between players who want to stay with the organization that raised them, got them a ring, have excellent chance at getting another ring, and the players who will take a 10%-20% raise to go play in a place like the black hole of Oakland and collect checks while being lazy.

The starting SS battle is going to be very, very interesting next year. Morgan Burnett was one of my favorite picks of the draft we made and he played well before getting hurt. Peprah isn't as complete a player as I would like but we won a ring with him. Burnett is closer to the prototype we are looking for but still largely unknown. Then there is the dark horse Bigby, but since he was last seen playing special teams he'll probably sign anywhere but here since he wasn't happy before and won't be happy as maybe our #3 option there, at risk of getting cut, and almost definitely designated a special teamer.

ROLB will be a good one to watch too. I don't think we can cut Zombo but he's a minus as a starter. I can't decide who I like better out of Brad Jones and Eric Walden. Walden is more athletic with more upside but Jones has a better football IQ. I don't know how many OLBs we will carry, but I would like to see:
1a. Eric Walden
1b. Brad Jones
2. Frank Zombo
3. rookie
with Clay that is 5, 5 and a half with Chillar which seems pretty reasonable. Poppinga can go to another team and maybe have some success but he's the odd man out here.

Sportsfan486
02-12-2011, 03:39 PM
I really liked Burnett when he played. I think he really has the potential to be a special player back there. Peprah is a good cover safety but doesn't bring much playmaking or run support to the table.

I think seeing if Walden and/or Jones develops as a legit 2nd pass-rusher will be interesting. ESPECIALLY if we lose Jenkins, which I pray we don't, we need more pressure guys back there.

BloodBrother
02-12-2011, 06:37 PM
I like Burnett to, but he did struggle/look tentative when it came to the Run D. Peprah was much, much better vs the run than Burnett this past season. Better sure tackler, to. Burnett DID show he has ballhawking skills, and with more coaching I think he'll develop into a good player

cvv84
02-12-2011, 06:54 PM
I really liked Burnett when he played. I think he really has the potential to be a special player back there. Peprah is a good cover safety but doesn't bring much playmaking or run support to the table.

Its actually quite the opposite. Peprah is more of an in the box type safety while Burnett is like having another free safety along side Collins.

As of right now its Peprah's job to lose. He played assignment sound football since becoming the starter. I can't see Bigby returning either so its between Peprah and Burnett.

GB12
02-12-2011, 07:19 PM
I think it's pretty clear we want Hawk over Barnett. Bishop has made Barnett rather pointless and he's been a distraction, not to mention injury prone. I can't think of anyone that wouldn't like to see us drop Barnett if it means working out a reasonable contract with Hawk.

I loved Barnett in a 4-3, but he's never fit as a 3-4.
He fit very well in a 3-4. I was concerned about that before we made the switch, but he had one of the best seasons of his career last year. And you can count me as one that doesn't want to drop Barnett for Hawk. Barnett is the better player, in both schemes.

I think the biggest reason we saw the improvement in Hawk's play was Desmond Bishop. As soon as he became a starter Bishop took over as our main run stuffer and tackler. That's what we were missing earlier since neither Hawk or Barnett are that type of linebacker. That's the kind of player Hawk should have been. I think Barnett's game would improve as well if he plays along side Bishop. Plus he compliments Bishop better than Hawk does.
The starting SS battle is going to be very, very interesting next year. Morgan Burnett was one of my favorite picks of the draft we made and he played well before getting hurt. Peprah isn't as complete a player as I would like but we won a ring with him. Burnett is closer to the prototype we are looking for but still largely unknown. Then there is the dark horse Bigby, but since he was last seen playing special teams he'll probably sign anywhere but here since he wasn't happy before and won't be happy as maybe our #3 option there, at risk of getting cut, and almost definitely designated a special teamer.
I think it's quite clear that Peprah was the best safety on our roster this year, other than Nick Collins of course. There was a noticeable improvement once he took over for Burnett.

Bigby is done here. I was a supporter back in '07. If he would have been healthy I think he could have turned into a good player. However his injuries have taken a toll on him -he has regressed each year since- and he can't stay on the field.

bigboiajhawk
02-12-2011, 07:26 PM
I think the thing with Hawk is that he was selected as a playoff Captain, I know if Barnett was there maybe that would have changed, but I think MM will want to keep him around, and it has been mentioned before Hawk is a TT guy.

Sure wish we could create the new base defense of a 2-5-4, where we have 3 stud ILB's.

My guess is Barnett gets traded for a 3rd rounder which is terrible value for him, but it is the only way to get anything for him.

GB12
02-12-2011, 07:45 PM
I think the thing with Hawk is that he was selected as a playoff Captain, I know if Barnett was there maybe that would have changed, but I think MM will want to keep him around, and it has been mentioned before Hawk is a TT guy.
If Barnett was there I bet he would have been the captain. He's been one of the leaders of our defense for years. And Barnett might not have been drafted by Thompson, but Thompson did give him the big extension. I think it's 50-50 on who's brought back, each has some advantages over the other.


My guess is Barnett gets traded for a 3rd rounder which is terrible value for him, but it is the only way to get anything for him.
I doubt we could get a third. Draft picks are valued so highly by GMs these days.

umphrey
02-12-2011, 09:44 PM
Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

Morgan Burnett could definitely take the job away from Peprah. He's physically superior and a willing tackler, but he's inconsistent in all aspects. Not too different from Nick Collins his rookie year. Until he spends some time in camp and preseason, it's anyones guess, but no question he could pass Peprah on the depth chart if he can become a more complete, consistent player. He also might see the field in nickel or dime formations since he's athletic and does much better in zone than man coverage.

GB12
02-12-2011, 09:47 PM
Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

Morgan Burnett could definitely take the job away from Peprah. He's physically superior and a willing tackler, but he's inconsistent in all aspects. Not too different from Nick Collins his rookie year. Until he spends some time in camp and preseason, it's anyones guess, but no question he could pass Peprah on the depth chart if he can become a more complete, consistent player. He also might see the field in nickel or dime formations since he's athletic and does much better in zone than man coverage.

He definitely could improve over the offseason, but as of now Peprah is clearly superior.

And no way he goes in for nickel over shields. He should be able to over Bush/Lee in dime though.

J-Mike88
02-12-2011, 10:30 PM
Peprah>Burnett
Hawk>Barnett

And I disagree that Crosby is a must-keep.
Why is he a must keep?

He's never been that accurate.
And if his leg is so strong, why are most opposing kickers kicking off 5-10 yards deeper than he is.

I'd like to keep Mason, but certainly not for top 25% kicker dollar.

GB12
02-12-2011, 11:48 PM
Peprah>Burnett
Hawk>Barnett

And I disagree that Crosby is a must-keep.
Why is he a must keep?

He's never been that accurate.
And if his leg is so strong, why are most opposing kickers kicking off 5-10 yards deeper than he is.

I'd like to keep Mason, but certainly not for top 25% kicker dollar.

Peprah is better than Burnett. Btu Barnett is better than Hawk. It's not a huge marign, but Barnett isbetter. Crosby is not a must keep, but he's better tham any onther kicker on teh marekt so he cohule staty.

cvv84
02-13-2011, 09:04 AM
Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

A 4th plus a conditional pick which ended up being a 3rd. Vilma was also coming off a knee injury which alot of people thought was career ending

Vilma was 26 when he was traded whereas Barnett is will be 30 years old.


Reguardless though I don't see Barnett returning to Green Bay. The coaches are always talking about 'being available' and Barnett simply hasn't been 2 of the past 3 seasons.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
02-13-2011, 09:09 AM
Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

PACKmanN
02-13-2011, 12:31 PM
Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

i think he's a type of qb that needs talent around him to win, not the type that builds up the talent around him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th+5th gets the deal done. I doubt the Packers would ask for a lot.

cvv84
02-13-2011, 03:05 PM
Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

Flynn is your typical west coast offense QB. He doesn't have elite arm that can stretch the field but he can make most of the throws needed to be a starting QB. A big asset is his above average mobility.

I don't feel like he's going to be any teams long term solution at QB but I do think he could be a nice stop gap in a search and development of a franchise signal caller. However, a team like the 49ers would be an ideal fit for him with their offenisve line, running game, and have 2 targets like Davis and Crabtree already in place.

I think a 3rd-5th round pick this year with a conditional pick in 2012 would be a fair starting point.

TitleTown088
02-13-2011, 03:09 PM
Flynn's worth to the Packers as a capable backup is much more than a 5th round draft pick.

He's a young QB with a promising upside. I honestly wouldn't let him go for anything less than a 3rd + a 5th. And I doubt a guy who recently spent a 2nd rounder on a young backup QB (Brohm) would either.

Kind of cool- Capers playbook from the Panthers:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47628592/97-Carolina-Panthers-34?secret_password=1bq6o986jpe9nvijgwen

J-Mike88
02-13-2011, 07:08 PM
i think he's a type of qb that needs talent around him to win, not the type that builds up the talent around him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th+5th gets the deal done. I doubt the Packers would ask for a lot.
I don't think Flynn has any leverage whatsoever, especially with guys like McNabb, Vince Young, Bulger, maybe Carson Palmer available.

Plus Ted and Mike do not want to trade him. The kid knows our system and as we saw in New England, he appears ready to keep the offense moving pretty well if Rodgers gets hurt again.... hopefully nothing but still, just in case.

If I was in Ted's shoes, I would not trade him unless someone made a very generous offer.

Mr.Regular
02-13-2011, 07:18 PM
Keep Flynn this off-season, draft a later round guy at QB this year, and if the rookie shows promise, try and trade Flynn next off-season. I think he could easily get a 3rd + 4th, or something similar to that.

GB12
02-13-2011, 07:22 PM
If we could get a third rounder I'd take it no question. Maybe even a 4th. Flynn is under contract for one more year. After that he's leaving. One year of a backup QB is not worth more than the draft picks, especially when we have Thompson drafting.

EDIT:
Keep Flynn this off-season, draft a later round guy at QB this year, and if the rookie shows promise, try and trade Flynn next off-season. I think he could easily get a 3rd + 4th, or something similar to that.
Can't do that. He only has one more year, and there's no way he'd sign an extension. It's trade him this year or let him walk for nothing next year. I'd definitely take what I could get for him.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
02-13-2011, 09:51 PM
Saw an article that Don Pompei thinks he could be traded for as high as a 2nd.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html
Most I would like to see SF part for him is a 4th. Thanks for the input.

TitleTown088
02-13-2011, 09:54 PM
I don't think Flynn has any leverage whatsoever, especially with guys like McNabb, Vince Young, Bulger, maybe Carson Palmer available.
.

Well, you see the thing is, all of those guys are either old or suck. Flynn is young with upside.

Saw an article that Don Pompei thinks he could be traded for as high as a 2nd.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a team give up that much for him ( I wouldn't count on it either). He's a QB.

Sportsfan486
02-14-2011, 12:22 AM
Anything less then a 3rd rounder would be shocking. He's one of a very select few QBs who are available and have the potential to be a multi-year starter. Not likely, in my opinion, but the potential is plenty.

I'd expect we'll trade him and get a 3rd, maybe with escalators to a 2nd.

umphrey
02-14-2011, 03:36 PM
Flynn should be worth a second, for sure.

Crosby is a must keep because there aren't other options and I don't want our special teams to suffer any worse. Anyone really want to go through another year or two of Jeremy Kapinos quality kicker play? He's not going to be expensive. Here are our options as I see it:
1) Sign Crosby
2) Sign a similar free agent kicker for the same price, if there even is one available
3) Use a draft pick on a kicker, take him 1-2 rounds higher than market value because we handcuffed ourselves into needing one, and hope he doesn't suck

Crosby hasn't been great but he has to kick in GB which lowers his percentage. He has a leg and it's a small investment to avoid a possible debacle at the position, so that is why it is a must sign to me.

J-Mike88
02-14-2011, 09:47 PM
I wonder how much faith they have in Graham Harrell being able to be a short-term stop gap?

Remember, we lost the 2 games that Rodgers couldn't finish anyway last year.

But Flynn played well enough in the NE game for us to have beaten almost anyone else that night, and you'd expect him to be even better.

Tough call here..... he wants to go elsewhere and get a chance to play, and he'd also like more money than a last-round pick.
We'd like to keep him as backup as long as possible.
But we don't want to lose him next year for nothing.

What team out there, maybe AZ, would trade a good pick for him when they can draft a more talented one they think they can develop? I don't see it happening. Miami saw what he did in New England..... they hate NE..... they should deal for him.

Sportsfan486
02-14-2011, 11:01 PM
What team out there, maybe AZ, would trade a good pick for him when they can draft a more talented one they think they can develop? I don't see it happening. Miami saw what he did in New England..... they hate NE..... they should deal for him.

Thing is, QBs bust all the time. Would a team rather take a possibly higher ceiling but far more likely to utterly fail rookie or trade for a lower upside but probably serviceable at worst guy for less price?

TimmG6376
02-15-2011, 02:04 PM
If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

cvv84
02-15-2011, 03:37 PM
If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

Not enough for the NFL level if you ask me. Being smart and being football smart are also 2 very different things. I just don't see him being able to master, let alone run, an NFL offense. We already have a simular player in Grahm Harrell as well.

EvilMonkey
02-15-2011, 09:02 PM
If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

agree with the previous poster about arm strength. Also, when has he ever showed mobility?

Favre4ever
02-15-2011, 10:07 PM
Not enough for the NFL level if you ask me. Being smart and being football smart are also 2 very different things. I just don't see him being able to master, let alone run, an NFL offense. We already have a simular player in Grahm Harrell as well.

Harrell is actually a better passer and has better pocket presence. He will surprise a lot of people. Thats why i wouldnt be surprised to Flynn gone for a pick whatever it may be. However Flynn as tons of intangibles that makes him attractive to other teams.

GB12
02-15-2011, 11:37 PM
I don't like Graham Harrell at all. Whether Flynn is gone or not I hope we try someone new instead of Harrell.

Also, McCarthy got a contract extension through 2015.

Boston
02-16-2011, 02:47 AM
I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

senormysterioso
02-16-2011, 08:51 AM
I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

It's definitely not out of the question. The spots we could use some depth at are across the o-line, olb, cb (depending on free agency) wr, d-line. The best player available at those spots will dictate which direction we go.

TimmG6376
02-16-2011, 10:10 AM
agree with the previous poster about arm strength. Also, when has he ever showed mobility?

He's no Cam Newton or even probably Rodgers in terms of mobility but he can move around to buy time and pickup a first down here an there. Not a statue by any means.

His arm seems to be fine in the short to intermediate area. Deep ball needs some work. Sometimes doesn't throw with his feet set properly, which might account for some of that inaccuracy on the deep ball.

He is a 7th round/UDFA guy no doubt. Will need to add weight and get stronger to make it in the NFL, but there is something I like about him. Was an underdog to even start at UW and is now one the best Badger QBs ever. Only started two seasons at UW but improved signficantly from 2009 to 2010.

Competitive, tough, hard working, and supposedly a big film study guy.

I think most of his deficiencies he can improve on with coaching and NFL caliber weight training.

Most likely never a starter but I can see him being a quality backup in a couple of years.

PACKmanN
02-16-2011, 03:35 PM
If Flynn is moved, I wouldn't mind someone like Ponder or Dalton to join the roster via the draft. They're similar to Flynn, but with more upside and much easier to develop.

GB12
02-16-2011, 04:56 PM
If Flynn is moved, I wouldn't mind someone like Ponder or Dalton to join the roster via the draft. They're similar to Flynn, but with more upside and much easier to develop.

I definitely do not want to spend higher than a fifth on a backup QB. The one Ted Thompson move I truly hated was drafting Brohm in the second. Even if he hadn't busted that would have been a terrible move. Say we get a third for Flynn. That's a nice gain since we took him in the seventh. If we trade off a second or third round QB the net gain is going to be lower. It's high risk low reward. No thanks. I'd rather try to find another Matt Flynn late in the draft.

EvilMonkey
02-16-2011, 05:01 PM
I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

not really. TT takes best player available, so position doesnt really matter for us. Obviously there are positions we as fans would like the team to address early, but TT will take who he likes, regardless of position.

PACKmanN
02-16-2011, 05:03 PM
I definitely do not want to spend higher than a fifth on a backup QB. The one Ted Thompson move I truly hated was drafting Brohm in the second. Even if he hadn't busted that would have been a terrible move. Say we get a third for Flynn. That's a nice gain since we took him in the seventh. If we trade off a second or third round QB the net gain is going to be lower. It's high risk low reward. No thanks. I'd rather try to find another Matt Flynn late in the draft.

to land Ponder, it may take our 2nd round pick, but i feel like Dalton can be had in the 4th round.

I wouldn't dump Flynn if that means they're going to have to select a qb in rounds 2 or 3, but as you said earlier, Flynn's a FA next year. They should get something now, unless they plan to tag him next year and than trade him.

TimmG6376
02-17-2011, 09:21 AM
I've been under the assumption that we wouldn't use a pick any higher than a 5th or 6th on a QB, but if Flynn gets us an extra 3rd and there is a guy they really like I could see maybe a 3rd or 4th. That changes the prospective QBs that would be in the mix.

I find it hard to believe that Harrell is suddenly going to make the leap to backup QB, but if they didn't see something in him he wouldn't be around.

umphrey
02-17-2011, 12:22 PM
I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.
Well you have to consider we have 3 cornerbacks on the field more often than not, one is 34 or 35 years old, there isn't much hope past that, and Sam Shields, while we aren't looking to replace him or anything, some insurance would be good there. It's hard to imagine us picking anyone besides OL or OLB anyways and there is a good chance value won't line up with need, in which case CB is definitely a possibility and probably next on our need list.

Harrell is actually a better passer and has better pocket presence. He will surprise a lot of people. Thats why i wouldnt be surprised to Flynn gone for a pick whatever it may be. However Flynn as tons of intangibles that makes him attractive to other teams.
I like Harrell as a backup. Well, it's not so much that I like Harrell but if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt we are probably screwed anyway. Matt Flynn is a much better backup but I'd like to trade him before his contract is up. There are a lot of quarterbacks in the middle to late rounds that we could pick up and cycle through our system like we are doing with Flynn, did with Brunell, Hasselback, etc.

To name a few:
Pat Devlin
TJ Yates
Scott Tolzien

But there is still the question of do we need that pick more than we need Flynn for a Super Bowl run next year? Lets say we trade:
Flynn, a 1st, a 5th and get Carimi/Castanzo and TJ Yates
So what it would come down to, probably, is what do you like better:

Flynn, DeMarcus Love (or a CB or something), and a 5th
or
Carimi/Castanzo and TJ Yates

I have no idea what's going to happen on draft day but this is one scenario I'm sure Ted Thompson and co. are considering.

cvv84
02-17-2011, 02:29 PM
Well you have to consider we have 3 cornerbacks on the field more often than not, one is 34 or 35 years old, there isn't much hope past that, and Sam Shields, while we aren't looking to replace him or anything, some insurance would be good there. It's hard to imagine us picking anyone besides OL or OLB anyways and there is a good chance value won't line up with need, in which case CB is definitely a possibility and probably next on our need list.

Exactally. CB isn't a huge need with Shields emergence but its still a need IMO. Woodson started to miss a step last year and I think we'd be lucky to get 1 more season out of him at CB. So basically we need Shields to take a Tramon-like leap (like Tramon did in his 2nd year, not the player he is today).

Aside from that, like umphrey mentioned, we have nobody behind those 3. If a CB is the best player available then by all means take one. We're fortunate enough to have them develop as a dimeback/special teamer behind 2 of the games best CBs.

PackerFan20
02-17-2011, 02:38 PM
Everyone keeps talking about trading Flynn, but don't forget that players cannot be traded until a new CBA is in place. If that doesn't happen until after the draft, then we lose our best chance at trading him since the teams that need QBs will draft them instead. I doubt many teams will want to trade for Flynn in July or August, as that would not be enough time for him to learn the offense and get used to his new teammates. We might get screwed over by this whole situation and not even get the chance to trade him.

J-Mike88
02-17-2011, 09:27 PM
I seriously doubt TT has any desire to trade him, but that's still a good point about the CBA.

J-Mike88
02-17-2011, 09:41 PM
F*** you Cowherd
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drowe
02-17-2011, 09:44 PM
I think i could watch that TD pass to Nelson on repeat all day.

damn.

cvv84
02-19-2011, 08:42 AM
We are the Champions, of the world!

J-Mike88
02-21-2011, 07:48 AM
mcwa2EvQ61Y&feature=related
A few of you have not seen this yet.....

GB12
02-21-2011, 10:31 PM
I don't think that the obvious even needs to be said, so I'll just leave this here if you want to take a look. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/24522/woodson-would-move-for-asomugha

johbur
02-21-2011, 11:03 PM
I don't think that the obvious even needs to be said, so I'll just leave this here if you want to take a look. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/24522/woodson-would-move-for-asomugha

Works for me. That'd be an amazing secondary with Woodson at SS. Thanks for the link!

Boston
02-22-2011, 12:16 PM
Best secondary in the league...easily. That would be amazing.

PACKmanN
02-22-2011, 12:21 PM
I don't think that the obvious even needs to be said, so I'll just leave this here if you want to take a look. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/24522/woodson-would-move-for-asomugha

would he also give up his jersey number for Aso

bigbluedefense
02-23-2011, 07:41 AM
Question.

I need an honest fair assessment of AJ Hawk as a player. I noticed personally that he seemed to step it up this year, but I don't know what to make of him.

You guys obviously seen a lot more of him than me and know his strengths and weaknesses. Can I get an honest breakdown?

PACKmanN
02-23-2011, 10:46 AM
Question.

I need an honest fair assessment of AJ Hawk as a player. I noticed personally that he seemed to step it up this year, but I don't know what to make of him.

You guys obviously seen a lot more of him than me and know his strengths and weaknesses. Can I get an honest breakdown?

he was a very up and down guy in his first few seasons in the league, but he turned it around the last 2 years; I wouldn't put him in the first group of guys at ILB, but he's in the 2nd group and a very good player. He isn't a superstar and shouldn't be paid like one, that's why us fans are debating keeping him at his 11 million dollar price tag he has this year.

He's a piece to the puzzle for a team to have, but not the final piece. Some of us think a healthy Barnett can do all the things Hawk does, but at a cheaper price.

TimmG6376
02-23-2011, 11:24 AM
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110222/PKR07/110222193/Mike-Vandermause-column-Redding-played-big-role-in-team-s-success

“Everybody in football should have the opportunity to coach for the Green Bay Packers at least once to find out what football is really all about,” he said.

“This is real football here. This is the Green Bay Packers. It’s the only show in town. It’s fantastic to be part of something like that.

J-Mike88
02-24-2011, 12:05 AM
Look at Jennings footwork..... Wow..... CB had no chance here other than 100% guessing.
I like scoring TDs against the Vikings!

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1285987_o.gif

PACKmanN
02-24-2011, 12:20 AM
Look at Jennings footwork..... Wow..... CB had no chance here other than 100% guessing.
I like scoring TDs against the Vikings!

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1285987_o.gif

he reminds me so much of a young chad jonhson, and even Jones/Nelsom seems like a Housh type.

GB12
02-24-2011, 12:22 AM
Greg Jennings is better now than Chad Johnson ever was.

PACKmanN
02-24-2011, 12:24 AM
Greg Jennings is better now than Chad Johnson ever was.

i might disagree, but what Johnson was known for during his prime is exactly what Jennings is doing in his now.

J-Mike88
02-24-2011, 08:35 AM
Jennings reminds me of a combination of a younger Isaac Bruce & Torrey Holt.

He runs precise, impossible-to-read routes like Holt did, and he gets deep like Bruce did (when younger).

bigbluedefense
02-24-2011, 09:46 AM
To comment on the CB having no chance bc of Jenning's footwork...if a DB is looking at a WR's feet he has no business playing in the NFL.

You're taught to look at the core, that never moves until the rest of the body moves in a particular direction.

You're also taught to look at hips so you can predict which way he'll go. Down and distance, tons of film study of what type of routes they like running out of different formations and what types of motions that particular player does on his route running etc also gives you clues.

It's complicated. But long story short, you never look at feet.

GB12
02-24-2011, 03:10 PM
We will not use the franchise or transition tag.


Not happy about this. They better get a long term deal with Jenkins now.

J-Mike88
02-24-2011, 05:39 PM
To comment on the CB having no chance bc of Jenning's footwork...if a DB is looking at a WR's feet he has no business playing in the NFL.

You're taught to look at the core, that never moves until the rest of the body moves in a particular direction.

It's complicated. But long story short, you never look at feet.
All true, but look at Jennings waist, chest, head... that move was wicked.
Deion Sanders 1994 would have been beaten on that play, unless he guessed.
Correctly.

We will not use the franchise or transition tag.
Not happy about this. They better get a long term deal with Jenkins now.
I hope you're right on Jenkins but I'm very worried he's gone.
I'm glad we didn't use a tag on Crosby.

PACKmanN
02-24-2011, 06:19 PM
It doesn't make sense, Ted used it on Williams and Pickett, yet wouldn't use it on Jenkins...

bigbluedefense
02-24-2011, 06:29 PM
It doesn't make sense, Ted used it on Williams and Pickett, yet wouldn't use it on Jenkins...

To be fair, Jenkins is injury prone, you guys have a ton of players who will need extensions in the future that are higher priority (Finley, Rodgers and the plethora of young talent on the team), and this is an especially deep class of 3-4 DEs.

Who's to say you can't get Cameron Heyward with your 1st? Or another decorated 3-4 DE?

He can use this draft class as leverage against Jenkins. TT knows his ****, Id trust him.

PACKmanN
02-24-2011, 06:32 PM
To be fair, Jenkins is injury prone, you guys have a ton of players who will need extensions in the future that are higher priority (Finley, Rodgers and the plethora of young talent on the team), and this is an especially deep class of 3-4 DEs.

Who's to say you can't get Cameron Heyward with your 1st? Or another decorated 3-4 DE?

He can use this draft class as leverage against Jenkins. TT knows his ****, Id trust him.
i would rather keep Jenkins for one year, with the franchise tag, and draft a LG/OLB in the first two rounds rather than a DE

bigbluedefense
02-24-2011, 06:34 PM
i would rather keep Jenkins for one year, with the franchise tag, and draft a LG/OLB in the first two rounds rather than a DE

I don't know bro. It's HARD finding a stud 3-4 DE. It's one of the hardest positions to draft. An OLB or LG is easy. Those come along all the time. I'd take advantage of a great crop of DEs while I can.

The 34 is still all about the dline at the end of the day.

J-Mike88
02-24-2011, 06:43 PM
I don't know bro. It's HARD finding a stud 3-4 DE. It's one of the hardest positions to draft.
Exactly.... see Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey for the Chiefs, and those were top 3 picks. We're at 32.

But you're right, TT's earned the right to be trusted. (except his CB draft picks)

GB12
02-24-2011, 06:47 PM
To be fair, Jenkins is injury prone, you guys have a ton of players who will need extensions in the future that are higher priority (Finley, Rodgers and the plethora of young talent on the team), and this is an especially deep class of 3-4 DEs.

Who's to say you can't get Cameron Heyward with your 1st? Or another decorated 3-4 DE?

He can use this draft class as leverage against Jenkins. TT knows his ****, Id trust him.
Even if he's gone I don't want a DE in the first. As good as he is, we'll be fine without him with what's already on the roster. I can understand not re-signing (although I definitely want to), but I do not understand letting him walk. Either tag him to keep him around one more year or tag him to trade him.

PACKmanN
02-24-2011, 10:09 PM
Cason, on the CB comment, was on Ted's radar and would have been a Packer that year had he fell a little bit closer.

Also, with Pickett and Raji on 2 of the 3 DL spots. I would rather have Neal/Wilson/Jolly rotate the other and draft a guy to play behind Raji (Powe in the 4th.)

BloodBrother
02-25-2011, 12:46 AM
We will not use the franchise or transition tag.


Not happy about this. They better get a long term deal with Jenkins now.



He's as good as gone.

From JSOnline

"I'm 99% sure something won't happen," Jenkins said when asked in a phone interview from his home in Michigan whether there was a chance the Packers could re-sign him before the start of free agency. "Not at this point. You get to a point where you want to go where you feel you're wanted.

"The way everything came down, it's just time for a new start."

"We've gone for so long," Jenkins said. "We approached them last off-season about doing an extension and we haven't heard anything. You would think you would have received an offer by now.

"It's just one of those things where they have other plans. They showed that in the way they went about it. It's time for me and my family to look at options somewhere else. Whenever they get the CBA done, I'll get out there and see what the situation is."


Sucks, but I was expecting it. The writing was on the wall for a while now. Thompson is always looking ahead, and it's probably one of the reasons he drafted Neal in the 2nd round last year. At the time, DE wasn't much of a need, not as much as perhaps CB and OLB were. Add in that this years draft is pretty rich at DE and it made sense as to why they would let him go. They don't want to commit big bucks to a 30 year old DE who has dealt with various injuries the last few years. I really hope Neal/Wilson/Jolly/draft pick or FA will be able to step in. Jenkins is a very, very good player

Now, regarding the rest of the FA, the Packers must sign Peprah, Crosby, Jones and one of Kuhn/Jackson(or both if possible) + restructuring Hawk's contract. If Hawk agrees to restructure, then we'll see Barnett traded. If he doesn't agree, he'll be cut and the Packers will hang onto Barnett.

Sportsfan486
02-25-2011, 01:16 AM
He's as good as gone.

From JSOnline




Sucks, but I was expecting it. The writing was on the wall for a while now. Thompson is always looking ahead, and it's probably one of the reasons he drafted Neal in the 2nd round last year. At the time, DE wasn't much of a need, not as much as perhaps CB and OLB were. Add in that this years draft is pretty rich at DE and it made sense as to why they would let him go. They don't want to commit big bucks to a 30 year old DE who has dealt with various injuries the last few years. I really hope Neal/Wilson/Jolly/draft pick or FA will be able to step in. Jenkins is a very, very good player

Now, regarding the rest of the FA, the Packers must sign Peprah, Crosby, Jones and one of Kuhn/Jackson(or both if possible) + restructuring Hawk's contract. If Hawk agrees to restructure, then we'll see Barnett traded. If he doesn't agree, he'll be cut and the Packers will hang onto Barnett.

Definitely doesn't sound good but I don't think it's as open and shut as that. Lots of free agents say stuff like that for leverage and then sign.

No team is really going out and signing their free agents. Franchise tags 'cuz they have to but that's it. He can feel disrespected if he wants but he's not played enough for us to warrant an instant extension (he's played WELL enough, just not OFTEN enough, at least not often enough at full strength.)

Jolly is coming back. Neal looked great. So it's not the end of the world but it hurts and emphasizes our need for another pass rusher.

J-Mike88
02-25-2011, 06:40 AM
I dont think Jolly will be back. We'll see.
Maybe nobody will give Cullen that huge of an offer and we can keep him.
I mean he is 30 and has had a bunch of injuries.
He didn't dominate or anything at the Super Bowl right?
I remember big plays for just about everyone on defense that night, but don't recall a big one from him.... hopefully he and his agent are just expecting too much and are disappointed on the open market.

drowe
02-25-2011, 06:44 AM
Yeah, in the next few years, we'll have Finley, Matthews, Sitton and others that'll need to contracts. We have to pick and choose. And, if not resigning Jenkins means they'll get one more of the guys I listed...fine.

BloodBrother
02-25-2011, 08:27 AM
Agreed. In fact, I believe Finley, Sitton and Jordy are FA's after 2011. That's just off the top of my head

I also absolutely think Jolly will be back. They have him locked up for 1 more year for cheap, why not bring him back. They have nothing to lose

J-Mike88
02-25-2011, 08:55 AM
I also absolutely think Jolly will be back. They have him locked up for 1 more year for cheap, why not bring him back. They have nothing to lose
That makes sense, and I agree because he's so cheap, is fresh, and should be hungry as hell (for a Super Bowl ring, not hungry for the purple drank).

But the reason my money is on him not coming back is because Ted and this organization value a guy's character as a person very much, and Jolly has shown that he does not pass that test. Maybe his value will be too much to stick to those principles in this case and that's part of why they might let Jenkins walk.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 09:15 AM
My only concern with Jolly is his conditioning and weight. Has he been working out on his own to stay in shape? I would think if they thought character was an issue they would have cut ties by now instead of retaining his rights through the restricted tender. I guess there could be some cap wrangling going on that I'm not aware of.

Someone raised the issue of Jenkins possibly getting lazy after getting the big money. I don't buy it. That was a concern when he got his first contract and he did not fall off at all.

He will not be back because of age and what the market value for a veteran 3-4 DE is going to be. With the depth we currently have and the draft being deep at the position, the estimated franchise tag number of $12 million is not justifiable. He can be replaced by a younger/cheaper guy. Unfortunately, that is how the league works these days. GMs cannot afford to let emotions or loyalty to an individual player based on past performance dictate the personnel decisions they make. And that is my only issue with the quote from Jenkins. This isn't about whether the Packers "want" him; it is the business side of the game.

umphrey
02-25-2011, 11:40 AM
Championship teams have to deal with some roster turnover unfortunately. I don't want to see Jenkins leave, but I'd rather that than have it cost us Sitton or Jennings or Finley.

PACKmanN
02-25-2011, 12:06 PM
John Henderson got 8 million for 2 years, so Jenkins should get 6 million per season just because of that silly mistake Oakland made.

princefielder28
02-25-2011, 01:36 PM
Edgar Bennett has been made WRs coach....hmmmm

tjsunstein
02-25-2011, 02:25 PM
McCarthy: "I'm going to have to apologize, because I'm very behind in the draft as far as college players."

GB12
02-25-2011, 02:29 PM
McCarthy: "I'm going to have to apologize, because I'm very behind in the draft as far as college players."

Well that's probably because he was busy with the freakin Super Bowl. I'll give him a pass for that.

TimmG6376
02-25-2011, 02:33 PM
Edgar Bennett has been made WRs coach....hmmmm

That is a little odd. He seemed to be doing a good job with RBs and that is obviously his background.

BloodBrother
02-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Edgar Bennett has been made WRs coach....hmmmm

here is the rest of the changes on the staff

The Green Bay Packers have named Edgar Bennett wide receivers coach, Jerry Fontenot running backs coach, Joel Hilgenberg offensive quality control coach, and John Rushing assistant wide receivers/special teams coach.


would think its weird to see a RB turn into a WR coach, and a former OL(Fontenot) become the RB coach...but this is fairly common stuff. It's a step up for these 2 guys to build their resumes up even more

cvv84
02-25-2011, 04:33 PM
People seem to forget that Bennett was an excellent receiver as a RB. In his 7 year career he caught 284 balls. 59, 78, and 61 catches in a 3 year span and an average of 40 per season.

GB12
02-25-2011, 04:38 PM
It's really not a big deal or unusual. It happens all the time. Andy Reid went from our offensive line coach to QB coach.

BloodBrother
02-25-2011, 08:18 PM
And speaking of...he promoted his OL coach to D coordinator just a few weeks ago, when the guy's last experience on the defensive side was over 20 years ago for a High School team

J-Mike88
02-25-2011, 08:50 PM
Edgar is on the track to become an Offensive Coordinator.
This will greatly add to that resume. How do I get that little / over the e at the end of resume?

someone447
02-25-2011, 10:21 PM
Edgar is on the track to become an Offensive Coordinator.
This will greatly add to that resume. How do I get that little / over the e at the end of resume?

I tried the two codes I knew to get the e acute and it didn't work. So I can't tell you on this board.

BloodBrother
02-26-2011, 02:13 AM
Edgar is on the track to become an Offensive Coordinator.
This will greatly add to that resume. How do I get that little / over the e at the end of resume?


Résumé


All I did was search Resume in google, then copied and pasted it lol. Simple enough. Alt 0233 also works

jackalope
02-27-2011, 02:00 PM
NFL network ticker said Hawk is to be released if deal is not restructured.

BloodBrother
02-27-2011, 04:40 PM
Yeah, not really surprising. If he doesn't restructure, he's gone. If he does restructure, it's Barnett who will be gone

JF4
02-28-2011, 10:37 PM
Keep Hawk! I feel like he is still underrated by Pack fans and especially others who thought he would be much better. Dude is the definition of a solid all-around player, can truly do everything at a solid level and seems like an extremely smart player and good leader.

Would much rather keep him than Barnett, who I loved but I feel his best years are behind him.

Also I haven't posted in here in forever but are people actually serious about getting rid of James Jones? Sure he's had some drop problems but any other team in the NFL would love to have him as a slot guy/ #2 WR. Dude has serious big play potential. Keep our WR core intact!

J-Mike88
02-28-2011, 11:15 PM
I want to keep James Jones too.
But I want to keep Hawk too.
And I want to keep Jenkins.
I also want to keep Jackson, Colledge, Peprah as well.

It all depends on how high their offers come in at. We won't be able to keep em all.
Jones drops a lot of passes and HUGE ones, almost ended our season in Philly in the Wildcard round. If Akers was not crap that game, our season would have ended there and Jones would not be welcomed back. But the guy still makes a lot of plays, and gets open a lot.... plus he's a good person and a guy that's easy to root for. I hope with Sidney Rice, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, and a few other WRs being available, Jones won't get that huge of an offer.

And I expect Hawk will get a new deal done... not sure how much cash, but I can see a deal like 7-years, $45 million or something like that.... but I'm not a contract guy.

GB12
02-28-2011, 11:34 PM
4 years $24 million for Hawk. If he wants more, go with Barnett. Hell, I want to keep Barnett over Hawk in the first place. However, I can understand choosing Hawk, but not for a contract any bigger than that.

PACKmanN
03-01-2011, 12:01 AM
the guy no one here is mentioning is Chillar. Do we keep Bishop, Hawk/Barnett, and him, or is he going to be cut as well

GB12
03-01-2011, 12:11 AM
No one's talking about him because there's no reason to. He's safe, he's owed only $2 million next year.

JF4
03-01-2011, 02:03 AM
4 years $24 million for Hawk. If he wants more, go with Barnett. Hell, I want to keep Barnett over Hawk in the first place. However, I can understand choosing Hawk, but not for a contract any bigger than that.

May I ask why Barnett over Hawk? Is it just the money?

To me Hawk is more versatile, better overall player, and younger.

GB12
03-01-2011, 02:32 AM
It doesnt have anything to do with money. Barnett is still the best linebacker on the team behind Matthews.

J-Mike88
03-01-2011, 06:30 AM
It doesnt have anything to do with money. Barnett is still the best linebacker on the team behind Matthews.
No way.
Factoring performance, age, and durability concerns: Hawk is better and Bishop is too, plus a lot younger. They wouldn't have re-inked Bishop if they didn't feel that way going forward.

JF4
03-01-2011, 02:03 PM
It doesnt have anything to do with money. Barnett is still the best linebacker on the team behind Matthews.

I disagree but I still feel like Barnett is a good backer and the gap between him and Hawk in my mind isn't that big.

Let's be honest, playing Inside in a 3-4 won't really allow for a lot of flashy plays for a backer so it's kind of hard to determine who is truly better without looking over game film and analyzing their performances individually.

I'm just going off what I saw the last two years watching each game only once. I could be riding the high of AJ playing most of the year this year and our defense being better this year as opposed to last where Barnett played all year.

Sportsfan486
03-01-2011, 07:56 PM
It doesnt have anything to do with money. Barnett is still the best linebacker on the team behind Matthews.

Bishop is definitely better and Hawk is either slightly better or even.

umphrey
03-02-2011, 02:08 AM
I hope Clay Matthews is ready to put on his best teachers hat. He's going to have to mentor his brother and a rookie I'm pretty sure we'll draft. Since Dom Capers and Kevin Greene won't be able to do it unless this lockout thing wraps up soon... Clay is going to have to go from student to teacher pretty quick since I don't know of another linebacker we have that a rookie could look up to.

TitleTown088
03-02-2011, 01:58 PM
It doesnt have anything to do with money. Barnett is still the best linebacker on the team behind Matthews.

He sure is, when he's not on IR.

J-Mike88
03-02-2011, 02:51 PM
It appeared to me the Packers defense didn't miss a beat without Barnett all season... in fact their pass defense in the middle of the field was extremely improved in the short and intermediate areas.

Last year, we were carved up in the middle of the field all the time.

As bad as the skeptics said Bishop was as a cover guy and that's why he wasn't worthy of starting (remember that?), he and Hawk performed better overall than Bishop and Chillar had. Results speak for themselves.

I trust Ted will get this part done right with the LBers.

drowe
03-02-2011, 04:27 PM
AJ Hawk just got cut.

J-Mike88
03-02-2011, 04:30 PM
Link: http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/43073636239810560

Hopefully this is just a precaution and he'll re-sign with us. Everything is different this year with this messy CBA crap.

GB12
03-02-2011, 04:48 PM
And there it is. Good move. And he's not coming back. He can negotiate with anyone now and there will be multiple teams that will pay him more than we will. Barnett and Bishop was the right choice.

BloodBrother
03-02-2011, 05:05 PM
Who knows what they do. Maybe they re-negotiate and he comes back on lesser terms. IF not, oh well. This was expected(him or Barnett)


Well, after reading Ted Thompson's press release, I expect them to re-sign him to a friendlier deal.

Sportsfan486
03-02-2011, 05:55 PM
Who knows what they do. Maybe they re-negotiate and he comes back on lesser terms. IF not, oh well. This was expected(him or Barnett)


Well, after reading Ted Thompson's press release, I expect them to re-sign him to a friendlier deal.

Not sure why anyone is surprised by this. With the CBA uncertainty it was impossible for us to renegotiate at this time and we couldn't risk him getting the amount of money he was set up for. We've said all along the only way we keep him is by renegotiating.

I also think some people might be overestimating his street value. He's an average linebacker and maybe a bit better fit in a 4-3 but he doesn't have any star potential. He's not a flashy player. The question is.. would he take a million more over a 4 or 5 year deal and drastically lower his chances of more rings? Or take a less lucrative deal to remain on a team set up for multiple more championships over his career? He's always spoken highly of being a Packer.

Even his rookie year finishing, what, 3rd? in DRotY I think we were all underwhelmed. He was supposed to be an explosive, flashy player coming out but he's always been more of a gap-filler. A guy that sits in the right place and doesn't overachieve. Frankly, if we lose him it's not the end of the world. Barnett is at least as good when healthy and the way we utilize our 3-4 ILBs I wouldn't be shocked to see us pick one up further down in the draft that comes in and logs time for us.

GB12
03-02-2011, 07:00 PM
If he really wanted to stay in Green Bay and if we really wanted him back there would have been a deal done already. We had all season to work on an extension, but showed no interest in doing so. Then there were three and a half weeks after the Super Bowl to get something done and it didn't happen. I know they were talking the past couple weeks, but clearly neither side was all that interested or two weeks would have been way more than enough time. I don't think he'll be back; I don't want him back. Barnett is better and Chillar is not that much below Hawk. I'm confident our defense could be just fine if with Chillar starting. Bishop is the key, he compliments the other three guys we have. Plug in anyone of those and will be good. Might as well keep the best one around though instead of overpaying for #2. And Hawk isn't going to take much of a pay cut to stay here or it wouldn't have dragged out like that. He's looking to get paid, and once he starts talking to other teams he's going to realize he can get much more elsewhere.

BloodBrother
03-02-2011, 09:20 PM
Most sources are saying both sides are working on a deal and that they expect to get something done


If so, obviously Barnett will be cut or traded(don't know how much they can get for him though)

BloodBrother
03-02-2011, 11:02 PM
WTF? Is that directed at me?


In any case, reports are that Hawk has signed a 5 year deal. No details on the money yet