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70challenger457
01-03-2007, 04:55 PM
If Favre leaves we should take Dwayne Jarrett, A.Rods goanna need another target, plus this guys huge in the redzone (6'5 210).He fits the WCO perfectly and thats the only reason why I want him on the team. He's probably my #3 want for possible realistic picks

johbur
01-03-2007, 05:48 PM
Jarrett would be a good fit for the Packers, perhaps even allowing them to go with a three wide-out set if his blocking is decent and get the TEs off the field if we don't bring in someone competent. I personally hope that Ginn falls to the Packers. I don't want Lynch in round 1, but a safety would be OK if one falls. I think 16 is a little high for Olsen/Miller, but I'd like to see TT trade down to 24 or so and take one of those two.

Notice that when the Packers apply an arse-whooping that the Bears fans posting in here dissappear? Chicago had a great year, but after seeing how pathetic their QBs were, against what one poster dubbed "the least-talented team in the NFL", I doubt too many Bears fans are thinking that their opening game is a gimme...

I would like to target Lance Briggs in FA. Adalius might be the best defensive FA, but getting Briggs weakens the Division winner and solidifies the LB corp. Either of them would allow us to go 3-4 if the team wanted that look. We could almost do it now, though we're not that deep, but Hodge next to Barnett doesn't suck.

GB12
01-03-2007, 06:04 PM
Jarrett would be a good fit for the Packers, perhaps even allowing them to go with a three wide-out set if his blocking is decent and get the TEs off the field if we don't bring in someone competent. I personally hope that Ginn falls to the Packers. I don't want Lynch in round 1, but a safety would be OK if one falls. I think 16 is a little high for Olsen/Miller, but I'd like to see TT trade down to 24 or so and take one of those two.

Notice that when the Packers apply an arse-whooping that the Bears fans posting in here dissappear? Chicago had a great year, but after seeing how pathetic their QBs were, against what one poster dubbed "the least-talented team in the NFL", I doubt too many Bears fans are thinking that their opening game is a gimme...

I would like to target Lance Briggs in FA. Adalius might be the best defensive FA, but getting Briggs weakens the Division winner and solidifies the LB corp. Either of them would allow us to go 3-4 if the team wanted that look. We could almost do it now, though we're not that deep, but Hodge next to Barnett doesn't suck.

A couple things I don't agree about. One, Ginn is not the receiver we need. If we take a WR in round one it will be a big possesion guy(Jarret). Two, TE is a need but even if we trade down it's not the right place to spend the first pick. Three, NO way we convert to a 3-4. We would have to make a lot more changes and we are starting to get a very good 4-3.

70challenger457
01-03-2007, 06:05 PM
Jarrett would be a good fit for the Packers, perhaps even allowing them to go with a three wide-out set if his blocking is decent and get the TEs off the field if we don't bring in someone competent. I personally hope that Ginn falls to the Packers. I don't want Lynch in round 1, but a safety would be OK if one falls. I think 16 is a little high for Olsen/Miller, but I'd like to see TT trade down to 24 or so and take one of those two.

Notice that when the Packers apply an arse-whooping that the Bears fans posting in here dissappear? Chicago had a great year, but after seeing how pathetic their QBs were, against what one poster dubbed "the least-talented team in the NFL", I doubt too many Bears fans are thinking that their opening game is a gimme...

I would like to target Lance Briggs in FA. Adalius might be the best defensive FA, but getting Briggs weakens the Division winner and solidifies the LB corp. Either of them would allow us to go 3-4 if the team wanted that look. We could almost do it now, though we're not that deep, but Hodge next to Barnett doesn't suck.

A couple things I don't agree about. One, Ginn is not the receiver we need. If we take a WR in round one it will be a big possesion guy(Jarret). Two, TE is a need but even if we trade down it's not the right place to spend the first pick. Three, NO way we convert to a 3-4. We would have to make a lot more changes and we are starting to get a very good 4-3.what he said

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-03-2007, 06:08 PM
If Favre leaves we should take Dwayne Jarrett, A.Rods goanna need another target, plus this guys huge in the redzone (6'5 210).He fits the WCO perfectly and thats the only reason why I want him on the team. He's probably my #3 want for possible realistic picks

If the Packers want a big target they should just trade a draft pick to Detroit for Mike Williams or wait for him to be cut. Jarrett probably is a little better but Mike Williams still has alot of talent he just needs the right coaching and hes a much lower risk and cheaper price.

70challenger457
01-03-2007, 06:14 PM
If Favre leaves we should take Dwayne Jarrett, A.Rods goanna need another target, plus this guys huge in the redzone (6'5 210).He fits the WCO perfectly and thats the only reason why I want him on the team. He's probably my #3 want for possible realistic picks

If the Packers want a big target they should just trade a draft pick to Detroit for Mike Williams or wait for him to be cut. Jarrett probably is a little better but Mike Williams still has alot of talent he just needs the right coaching and hes a much lower risk and cheaper price.Mike Williams has proved that he can't make it in the NFL. I don't want to see him signed

roughrider30
01-03-2007, 06:20 PM
If Favre leaves we should take Dwayne Jarrett, A.Rods goanna need another target, plus this guys huge in the redzone (6'5 210).He fits the WCO perfectly and thats the only reason why I want him on the team. He's probably my #3 want for possible realistic picks

If the Packers want a big target they should just trade a draft pick to Detroit for Mike Williams or wait for him to be cut. Jarrett probably is a little better but Mike Williams still has alot of talent he just needs the right coaching and hes a much lower risk and cheaper price.

I definitely wouldnt mind that, since we could then focus our first round pick on other needs. Since, Driver, Jennings, Robinson (when he comes back), and Williams is better than what we have now.

I guess it would depend on what they would have to give up for him, if anything.

Like you said there would be little to no risk in getting Williams, especially if he was cut.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-03-2007, 06:23 PM
If Favre leaves we should take Dwayne Jarrett, A.Rods goanna need another target, plus this guys huge in the redzone (6'5 210).He fits the WCO perfectly and thats the only reason why I want him on the team. He's probably my #3 want for possible realistic picks

If the Packers want a big target they should just trade a draft pick to Detroit for Mike Williams or wait for him to be cut. Jarrett probably is a little better but Mike Williams still has alot of talent he just needs the right coaching and hes a much lower risk and cheaper price.Mike Williams has proved that he can't make it in the NFL. I don't want to see him signed

We would basically be giving up nothing for a guy that has a similar skill set to Jarrett. While Jarrett would cost a first round pick.

70challenger457
01-03-2007, 07:58 PM
we should make bets on how many picks TT will end up with after all the trading down. I'm gunna say he's gunna have a down year and finish with 9.

70challenger457
01-03-2007, 08:03 PM
call me crasy but I think the packers should trade for shaub. Remember the last QB we got from Atlanta. Happend once it happen again.
(theres a lot of sarcasm involved if you couldn't read it)

Boston
01-03-2007, 08:22 PM
we should make bets on how many picks TT will end up with after all the trading down. I'm gunna say he's gunna have a down year and finish with 9.

I don't think he'll do that as much this year. In previous years, there were a lot of holes that needed to be filled, whereas this year there are fewer, more minor, holes that need to be filled.

iloxygenil
01-03-2007, 08:26 PM
I would really like to see Marshawn Lynch in Green Bay. I think he'd really get a chance to shine up there, especially right now. I think he'd be a PERFECT fit there and would make an absolutely dominant RB in the ZBS that they are installing. I hope he gets the chance to fall that far!

NickCollins36
01-03-2007, 08:30 PM
who other than lynch u see the pack takin if lynch aint there?
i wouldnt mind Ted Ginn :D

Jim Jim
01-03-2007, 08:47 PM
Darrelle Revis or Puz.

70challenger457
01-03-2007, 09:13 PM
who other than lynch u see the pack takin if lynch aint there?
i wouldnt mind Ted Ginn :DI would. but mostly because I think he's gunna be a bust but thats just me

GB12
01-03-2007, 09:26 PM
who other than lynch u see the pack takin if lynch aint there?
i wouldnt mind Ted Ginn :D

Darrelle Revis or Puz.

Ginn-NO!
PP-We aren't going to go LB. If we upgrade it'll be through FA, if not I'm fine with Brady
Revis-The best out of the three but is still isn't too high on my list.

Gravedigger42
01-03-2007, 09:37 PM
At this point my preference would be to take Lynch. If he's gone then I think our most pressing needs that I would address with a first rounder is DB or interior DL that can pressure the QB. Our LB group is fine, if Pop isn't the answer then making due with Hawk, Barnett, and Hodge would still be better than most LB groups in the league. I mean thats 2 studs and 1 potential playmaker. My concern with is that Green isn't gonna want a 1 year deal. At this point in his carrer he is looking for 1 last big payday that will take him into retirement. I would love to keep him around but I don't know that his asking price and # of years will be worth it. I agree with most that we need to do something about our TE, but I don't think spending a 1st rounder this year would be a good idea. If Favre returns then TGonz may consider GB if TT is willing to spend the money but if Favre is gone then Gonzo will go to a potential SB contender. I think we can make due with our current WR's and try to find a good value deeper in the draft. Too many WR busts from 1st round to be worth the risk. Esp Ginn. If we do end up with Jarrett I would be ok with that but not my first, 2nd or third choice.

roughrider30
01-03-2007, 10:43 PM
we should make bets on how many picks TT will end up with after all the trading down. I'm gunna say he's gunna have a down year and finish with 9.

I don't think he'll do that as much this year. In previous years, there were a lot of holes that needed to be filled, whereas this year there are fewer, more minor, holes that need to be filled.

that is exactly right last year we had many needs, opposed to this year when many of the needs are more specific. I could see them trading up in some rounds and giving away picks this year instead. We are much closer to a playoff contender now.

sik wit it
01-04-2007, 12:19 AM
What do you guys think about Amobi Okoye?

PACKmanN
01-04-2007, 12:32 AM
LSU RB i think his number is 5 is amazing and would fit perfecly in the ZBS when is he coming out?

01-04-2007, 01:03 AM
What do you guys think about Amobi Okoye?I think he's still a little raw but with a little work he can be pretty good he will have some extra time to get better because he is only 19. Right now he is projected as a high first round pick. I'm pretty sure he has received comparisons to Warren Sapp because of his ability to get off the ball quickly.

Here's Scott's scouting report of him

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/amobiokoye.html

I don't really thin the Packers should draft him though, they just have too many other glaring holes than at DT. Where they already have 1 good pretty good starter and a few average ones.

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 06:58 AM
What do you guys think about Amobi Okoye?we have much bigger needs than DT and thats the only reason I'm against him. I think he could be a real good player for a really long time

NIN1984
01-04-2007, 07:55 AM
So lets forget about Marshawn Lynch for a second, who else would the Packers draft?


thank you

Gravedigger42
01-04-2007, 08:09 AM
Actually I think a DT would be a very good pick for the pack. Part of the reason the pass defense was terrible in the first half was a weak pass rush. Too many QB's were able to step up in the pocket and buy that extra 1-2 seconds they need to let a WR get open. It might not be the most pressing need but if the right DT is available and Lynch/Jarrett are gone I woulnd't be dissapointed at all. In fact when were looking at a top 10 pick this year I was hoping for Branch if he declared.

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 10:41 AM
Actually I think a DT would be a very good pick for the pack. Part of the reason the pass defense was terrible in the first half was a weak pass rush. Too many QB's were able to step up in the pocket and buy that extra 1-2 seconds they need to let a WR get open. It might not be the most pressing need but if the right DT is available and Lynch/Jarrett are gone I woulnd't be dissapointed at all. In fact when were looking at a top 10 pick this year I was hoping for Branch if he declared.Yeah, maybe this would be a good post but the fact of the matter is the packers have a top 5 pass rushing defense. And jenkins had 6.5 sacks, williams has 7, we have enough productivity there at DT

sik wit it
01-04-2007, 10:47 AM
Actually I think a DT would be a very good pick for the pack. Part of the reason the pass defense was terrible in the first half was a weak pass rush. Too many QB's were able to step up in the pocket and buy that extra 1-2 seconds they need to let a WR get open. It might not be the most pressing need but if the right DT is available and Lynch/Jarrett are gone I woulnd't be dissapointed at all. In fact when were looking at a top 10 pick this year I was hoping for Branch if he declared.Yeah, maybe this would be a good post but the fact of the matter is the packers have a top 5 pass rushing defense. And jenkins had 6.5 sacks, williams has 7, we have enough productivity there at DT
remember the super bowl days when we were stacked at the d-line. We could have a Bears esque line maybe. It could cover up any flaws we have in the secondary or linebacker core. Also we could protect AJ and Nick a little better.

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 11:30 AM
Actually I think a DT would be a very good pick for the pack. Part of the reason the pass defense was terrible in the first half was a weak pass rush. Too many QB's were able to step up in the pocket and buy that extra 1-2 seconds they need to let a WR get open. It might not be the most pressing need but if the right DT is available and Lynch/Jarrett are gone I woulnd't be dissapointed at all. In fact when were looking at a top 10 pick this year I was hoping for Branch if he declared.Yeah, maybe this would be a good post but the fact of the matter is the packers have a top 5 pass rushing defense. And jenkins had 6.5 sacks, williams has 7, we have enough productivity there at DT
remember the super bowl days when we were stacked at the d-line. We could have a Bears esque line maybe. It could cover up any flaws we have in the secondary or linebacker core. Also we could protect AJ and Nick a little better.yeah well what I getting at is we need a RB, S and TE long before we can think about upgrading an already solid group

Gravedigger42
01-04-2007, 12:00 PM
What I'm getting at is that our pass rush was in no way consistent. Some games we had a lot of success and others we couldn't get within 5 feet of the QB. The numbers don't tell an accurate story until you break them down and see what they were a result of. I would agree that we need another playmaker of some sort on offense and I hope Lynch is that guy. I'm just saying that even though the yearly numbers looked ok I wasn't impressed with the consistency we had in stopping the run or pressuring the QB. Maybe we can strenthgen that in the later rounds but a top notch DT cound make our defense as a whole improve 10 fold. They would help the DB's by reducing the amount of time they have to cover on any given play and then also be a force stopping the run which would free up our LB's to fill the gaps and make big plays. The D-line is ok but if definately could use a 3 downer in the Sapp of TB days mold to make it top notch. Then you could get away with having average safteties. Don't get me wrong we need DB depth and another top prospect at S would be great but I think you can acomplish a better overall profomance of the D by taking a DL.

All in all my pick is still Lynch. He looked to me a like Green from his glory years. Good in the passing game, looked like he picks up the blitz well, runs hard, and has the speed to break one.

bearsfan_51
01-04-2007, 02:20 PM
Any word on what the Pack is doing with their O-Coordinator position?

SterlingSharpe
01-04-2007, 02:23 PM
What do you guys think about Amobi Okoye?

I like him.
A LOT.
We have been lacking a superstar in the interior of our D-Line.... forever.
He might, MIGHT, become one.

He's a smart kid.

mancl
01-04-2007, 02:24 PM
Another site mentioned Lynch declaring and then said he's explosive but there are questions about his durability and work ethic. If those check out I'd take Lynch. If they don't or he's gone I'd be interested in Jarrett tho it's unlikely he would be available. Have no interest in Ginn.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a corner like Revis, even over a safety like Landry ( I' skeptical of Nelson) Quality corners are worth their weight in gold and he'd be a solid nickel back and a good punt returner until he's ready to be a starter. Blackmon is behind schedule in his rehab and hasn't played full time corner in 2 years so you can't count on him.

Safety is a concern with there is the potential for help in free agency, Underwood and Culver show some promise.

I don't see any quality DT's at that spot

sik wit it
01-04-2007, 02:39 PM
Another site mentioned Lynch declaring and then said he's explosive but there are questions about his durability and work ethic. If those check out I'd take Lynch. If they don't or he's gone I'd be interested in Jarrett tho it's unlikely he would be available. Have no interest in Ginn.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a corner like Revis, even over a safety like Landry ( I' skeptical of Nelson) Quality corners are worth their weight in gold and he'd be a solid nickel back and a good punt returner until he's ready to be a starter. Blackmon is behind schedule in his rehab and hasn't played full time corner in 2 years so you can't count on him.

Safety is a concern with there is the potential for help in free agency, Underwood and Culver show some promise.

I don't see any quality DT's at that spot
not even okoye??

SterlingSharpe
01-04-2007, 02:53 PM
STERLING's DRAFT GAMEPLAN

(I will list some guys who most likely WILL be gone before we pick, but since some guys rocket up the charts late, we also know some guys slide in the draft too, ie Aaron Rodgers, Randy Moss, Dan Marino, Emmitt Smith,e tc.)

First round pick, in order of who I want first:
LaRon Landry
Reggie Nelson
Sidney Rice
Amobi Okoye
Marshawn Lynch

Second round (different position than the 1st pick)
Brandon Meriweather
Eric Weddle
Dwayne Bowe
Kenny Irons
Daymeion Hughes

Third round (no duplicate-positions from first two picks)
Eric Wright
Tony Ugoh
Matt Spaeth
Gary Russell

We should be able to upgrade 3-5 positions, from safety, WR, RB, TE, OL, DL, and CB. Plus before hand, in free agency, we have to at least fill two holes. Could be TE, or safety, or RB. Whichever we fill there, we can focus on other spots in the draft. We really do not have AS MANY holes as a year ago, thanks to a good draft and Woodson and Pickett. So that allows Teddy Ballgame to be able to focus on BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, which always offers a better chance at hitting with the picks as oppsoed to 100% drafting for need.

Personally, I think Gary Russell will be a better NFL RB than Marshawn Lynch. For the Gophers, I think Marion Barner (3rd round steal) and Maurence Maroney have shown that Glen Mason's RB's succeed in the NFL. Of course Mason is now fired because all of those backs left.

johbur
01-04-2007, 03:27 PM
who other than lynch u see the pack takin if lynch aint there?
i wouldnt mind Ted Ginn :D

I like Ginn, but I'd rather trade down to the mid-20's and get Miller or Olsen, or even Brian Leonard. Miree is a UDFA and not a threat with the ball. Leonard would be a threat to carry the ball, receive it, and he's definately fast enough at FB to block int he ZBS.

GB12
01-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Any word on what the Pack is doing with their O-Coordinator position?

Our Oline coach Joe Philbin, QB coach Tom Clements, and Atlanta OC Greg Knapp are the most likely possibliblities. I expect it to be Clements.

Boston
01-04-2007, 03:39 PM
Any word on what the Pack is doing with their O-Coordinator position?

Probably promoting from within. Either Tom Clements or Joe Philbin.

GB12
01-04-2007, 03:43 PM
who other than lynch u see the pack takin if lynch aint there?
i wouldnt mind Ted Ginn :D

I like Ginn, but I'd rather trade down to the mid-20's and get Miller or Olsen, or even Brian Leonard. Miree is a UDFA and not a threat with the ball. Leonard would be a threat to carry the ball, receive it, and he's definately fast enough at FB to block int he ZBS.

Are you serious. Leonard in the first. No way, FB is probably the last position we'd go, QB would even come before it. Miree is a good blocker which is all we need and is plenty fast. In case you havent noticed our FBs almost never get the ball.

RockJock07
01-04-2007, 03:56 PM
(So lets forget about Marshawn Lynch for a second, who else would the Packers draft?)

I really like Bowe from LSU, I think he would give the packers a deep threat that they lack. Jerrett would be nice, but their is alot of depth at WR this year.

I'd lean towards defense in the 1st. Reggie Nelson would be great. MM has been awful in coverage. That secondary would be great if they didn't forget to cover someone, I think with a Nelson and a new DB coach, the packers could have one of the best back 7's in football. Nickle back is also a concern, a 3rd DB needs to be a day one pick.

On the offensive side, RB, WR and TE are pressing needs. The west-coast offense needs 1-2 receiving TE threats. If TT could get gonzales and another TE later in the draft, Favre or Rogers would see TD's go up and FG's go down.

Perhaps the biggest move the packers need to make is the OC job. They need someone who knows the ZB sheme and the WC offense. The OC from atlanta would be perfect.

Also I'm gonna throw this name out there. Colt Brennen from Hawaii. I think Rogers is going to be great, but the Packers can't afford to put all their eggs into on basket. If Brennen goes pro, I think the packers should bring him in to be the 3rd QB if Brett comes back or compete with Rogers if he doesn't.

GB12
01-04-2007, 03:58 PM
As for Okoye, I am very interested in him. Lynch is slipping a bit for me while he keeps rising. You can say DT isn't a need, which when you look at the stats it's not but Okoye would make an enormous impact.

Jarret will probably be gone along with Landry. So

1.Lynch
2.Okoye
3.Nelson


It's not too impossible that Lynch would be gone aswell.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-04-2007, 04:02 PM
I think the Packers are a stone cold lock for RB in the first round unless a good SS has a monster workout. If the Packers draft a SS he better be a good cover guy because Nick Collins plays alot better closer to the line. Dont worry about drafting a TE in the first round, if Heath Miller drops that much in a draft then theirs no way Zach Miller and Greg Olsen will get selected in the first round. What ever happened to the idea of Nick Barnett being an OLB, so that Abdul Hodge could start, anyone know?

GB12
01-04-2007, 04:06 PM
I think the Packers are a stone cold lock for RB in the first round unless a good SS has a monster workout. If the Packers draft a SS he better be a good cover guy because Nick Collins plays alot better closer to the line. Dont worry about drafting a TE in the first round, if Heath Miller drops that much in a draft then theirs no way Zach Miller and Greg Olsen will get selected in the first round. What ever happened to the idea of Nick Barnett being an OLB, so that Abdul Hodge could start, anyone know?

Lynch could be gone by the time they pick, what RB is there then? No one, right now I'm still with Lynch if he's there but that could change(I am a little already).

As for the LB situation. It hasn't happened because Barnett doesn't want to move and Hodge hasn't shown that he's ready yet.

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 04:24 PM
plus I personally belive Poppinga is a better LB than Hodge. For sure he's a bigger hitter and a better pass rusher. His coverage game has become acceptable but not great

GB12
01-04-2007, 04:29 PM
plus I personally belive Poppinga is a better LB than Hodge. For sure he's a bigger hitter and a better pass rusher. His coverage game has become acceptable but not great

While Brady isn't great Hodge is a lot worse. I wouldn't be against an upgrade but I'm fine with Poppinga.

Boston
01-04-2007, 04:36 PM
plus I personally belive Poppinga is a better LB than Hodge. For sure he's a bigger hitter and a better pass rusher. His coverage game has become acceptable but not great

While Brady isn't great Hodge is a lot worse. I wouldn't be against an upgrade but I'm fine with Poppinga.

Well, Hodge didn't exactly get a monumental amount of playing time this year. Once he does, he will be a force in goal line defense.

GB12
01-04-2007, 04:45 PM
plus I personally belive Poppinga is a better LB than Hodge. For sure he's a bigger hitter and a better pass rusher. His coverage game has become acceptable but not great

While Brady isn't great Hodge is a lot worse. I wouldn't be against an upgrade but I'm fine with Poppinga.

Well, Hodge didn't exactly get a monumental amount of playing time this year. Once he does, he will be a force in goal line defense.

In preseason and college he has had trouble in coverage. It is a big weakness and don't trust him in coverage. Now he wouldn't have to cover much as he would be out in nickle and dime but he still needs to improve.

CalBears99
01-04-2007, 05:25 PM
Wait so is Favre done?

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 05:26 PM
Wait so is Favre done?I have more confidence of him coming back right now compared to a year ago but nobody has said anything of him leaning one way or another

Boston
01-04-2007, 05:27 PM
Wait so is Favre done?

Hasn't said yet. I doubt he is though.

Anybody see Grossman talking about not trying during the packer game. :lol: :roll:

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Wait so is Favre done?

Hasn't said yet. I doubt he is though.

Anybody see Grossman talking about not trying during the packer game. :lol: :roll:yeah ok grossman, you competing for your job. You didn't have your mind on it. Ok groosman :roll:

nextyear5
01-04-2007, 05:48 PM
Atlanta OC Greg Knapp


That would be sweet if we hired him!

sik wit it
01-04-2007, 05:55 PM
Wait so is Favre done?I have more confidence of him coming back right now compared to a year ago but nobody has said anything of him leaning one way or another
I feel the complete opposite actually. Last year I was positive he'd come back whereas this year I think hes done.

01-04-2007, 06:26 PM
Atlanta OC Greg Knapp


That would be sweet if we hired him!Hell no just because he runs a zone blocking scheme it doesn't mean he's any good. This guy is one of the worst play-callers in the league and destroyed a potential filled offense.

Just ask Atlanta fans about him, then you'll see where i'm coming from.

GB12
01-04-2007, 06:30 PM
Atlanta OC Greg Knapp


That would be sweet if we hired him!Hell no just because he runs a zone blocking scheme it doesn't mean he's any good. This guy is one of the worst play-callers in the league and destroyed a potential filled offense.

Just ask Atlanta fans about him, then you'll see where i'm coming from.

Wouldn't McCarthy call the plays. I don't want him anyway though.

01-04-2007, 06:37 PM
Atlanta OC Greg Knapp


That would be sweet if we hired him!Hell no just because he runs a zone blocking scheme it doesn't mean he's any good. This guy is one of the worst play-callers in the league and destroyed a potential filled offense.

Just ask Atlanta fans about him, then you'll see where i'm coming from.

Wouldn't McCarthy call the plays. I don't want him anyway though.I'm not sure but my point is that in don't want Greg Knapp

SHARAPOVA_gulped_my_SPERM
01-04-2007, 08:15 PM
I don't know about play calling, but we need someone who can get the best out of this zone blocking stuff, because our young linemen are catered to that scheme.

The biggest problem in Atlanta is Michael Vick. It's hard to coordinate for a running QB in the NFL.

If I was the OC there, I would have started Matt Schuab, and used Michael Vick as a weapon like Hines Ward/Antwan Randle El. Kinda what Florida does with Timmy Tebow, or even a little but like Arkansas with McFadden.

I know you can't do a lot of those gimmicks, but enough that the defenses heads spin. I think there is TONS of potential there because Vick is so dang fast, and Schuab is a legit passing QB. They're dumb to waste all that there.

scar988
01-04-2007, 08:17 PM
I don't know about play calling, but we need someone who can get the best out of this zone blocking stuff, because our young linemen are catered to that scheme.

The biggest problem in Atlanta is Michael Vick. It's hard to coordinate for a running QB in the NFL.

If I was the OC there, I would have started Matt Schuab, and used Michael Vick as a weapon like Hines Ward/Antwan Randle El. Kinda what Florida does with Timmy Tebow, or even a little but like Arkansas with McFadden.

I know you can't do a lot of those gimmicks, but enough that the defenses heads spin. I think there is TONS of potential there because Vick is so dang fast, and Schuab is a legit passing QB. They're dumb to waste all that there.Vick isn't the problem in Atlanta if you knew ANYTHING about the Falcosn you woudl know that. Knapp couldn't call plays and will not let your QB audible. you don't want him.

ny10804
01-04-2007, 08:34 PM
I don't know about play calling, but we need someone who can get the best out of this zone blocking stuff, because our young linemen are catered to that scheme.

The biggest problem in Atlanta is Michael Vick. It's hard to coordinate for a running QB in the NFL.

If I was the OC there, I would have started Matt Schuab, and used Michael Vick as a weapon like Hines Ward/Antwan Randle El. Kinda what Florida does with Timmy Tebow, or even a little but like Arkansas with McFadden.

I know you can't do a lot of those gimmicks, but enough that the defenses heads spin. I think there is TONS of potential there because Vick is so dang fast, and Schuab is a legit passing QB. They're dumb to waste all that there.Vick isn't the problem in Atlanta if you knew ANYTHING about the Falcosn you woudl know that. Knapp couldn't call plays and will not let your QB audible. you don't want him.

I'm sure Favre would be totally OK with that...

jackalope
01-04-2007, 08:50 PM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...

70challenger457
01-04-2007, 09:17 PM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

TitleTown088
01-04-2007, 09:55 PM
I don't know about play calling, but we need someone who can get the best out of this zone blocking stuff, because our young linemen are catered to that scheme.

The biggest problem in Atlanta is Michael Vick. It's hard to coordinate for a running QB in the NFL.

If I was the OC there, I would have started Matt Schuab, and used Michael Vick as a weapon like Hines Ward/Antwan Randle El. Kinda what Florida does with Timmy Tebow, or even a little but like Arkansas with McFadden.

I know you can't do a lot of those gimmicks, but enough that the defenses heads spin. I think there is TONS of potential there because Vick is so dang fast, and Schuab is a legit passing QB. They're dumb to waste all that there.Vick isn't the problem in Atlanta if you knew ANYTHING about the Falcosn you woudl know that. Knapp couldn't call plays and will not let your QB audible. you don't want him.
you really try hard to defend vick huh? into the packers board to talk about him. :wink:

Hawk
01-04-2007, 10:31 PM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

jenkins could be gone

sik wit it
01-04-2007, 10:40 PM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

jenkins could be gone
i'm sure TT will re-sign him.

TitleTown088
01-04-2007, 11:15 PM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

jenkins could be gone
i'm sure TT will re-sign him.

he better.

sik wit it
01-05-2007, 12:28 AM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

jenkins could be gone
i'm sure TT will re-sign him.

he better.
IF Favre retires we'll be sickly under the salary cap

roughrider30
01-05-2007, 01:07 AM
i don't think that D-line is a need at all. DE is fine with Jenkins now playing there, and we have a lot of depth behind Pickett. Williams, Cole, Jolly...thats pretty much what I was thinking

jenkins could be gone
i'm sure TT will re-sign him.

he better.
IF Favre retires we'll be sickly under the salary cap

I think even if Favre comes back we will still be way under the cap.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-05-2007, 02:18 AM
Either way if Favre is back or not they will get a big name free agent because of cap room. It will just make it easier if they can advertise Favre to the players they are trying to get.

70challenger457
01-05-2007, 11:32 AM
Either way if Favre is back or not they will get a name free agent because of cap room. It will just make it easier if they can advertise Favre to the players they are trying to get.We have 30 mil to blow, they better get signing, and that better include Jenkins

Jim Jim
01-05-2007, 12:03 PM
NEW MOCK

Green Bay trades down to the early twenties for an extra second rounder.

First Round Selection: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland.

Second Round Selection II: Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn.

Third Round Selection: Aundrea Allison, WR, East Carolina.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, DB, Oregon State.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshall Yonda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: Taurean Charles, OLB, Bethune-Cookman.

Gravedigger42
01-05-2007, 12:06 PM
Wait so is Favre done?

Hasn't said yet. I doubt he is though.

Anybody see Grossman talking about not trying during the packer game. :lol: :roll:

I live in IL not far from Chicago and I think it's hilarious. The media and the fans are already to hang Grossman. I can't count the times I've heard "our only shot at winning is to start Griese." I mean come on, when has he ever been the savior? He couldn't even keep Chris Simms off the field in TB and he was certainly never better than average in Denver. Grossman may be young, cocky and possibly stupid but he is by far the better QB.Maybe if we're lucky he'll never reach it but that guy has a ton of potential and he showed that the first 4 or 5 games. Back then he was thier saviour now they want to run him outta town. I love it.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-05-2007, 01:21 PM
NEW MOCK

Green Bay trades down to the early twenties for an extra second rounder.

First Round Selection: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland.

Second Round Selection II: Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn.

Third Round Selection: Aundrea Allison, WR, East Carolina.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, DB, Oregon State.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshall Yonda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: Taurean Charles, OLB, Bethune-Cookman.

Trading down to get Meachem (if Lynch isn't their) is a good move. But in the second round I think they should pick up a TE and personally im sick of the Packers drafting workout warrior corners or fast 40 corners (J. Wilson), but they do need a corner, a corner that can play bump and run coverage.

70challenger457
01-05-2007, 01:49 PM
I still don't see the point in drafting your first two players to not even start for a couple more seasons. Makes no sense to me I don't care what you argue.

edit 4 out the first 5 to not start for years

RockJock07
01-05-2007, 01:57 PM
(NEW MOCK

Green Bay trades down to the early twenties for an extra second rounder.

First Round Selection: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland.

Second Round Selection II: Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn.

Third Round Selection: Aundrea Allison, WR, East Carolina.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, DB, Oregon State.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshall Yonda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: Taurean Charles, OLB, Bethune-Cookman.)

I like the Meachem Pick, But Irons isn't that good. He had a solid senior season, other then that he did nothing. Kolby Smith could be picked up in the 3rd or 4th round and is better then Irons. I REALLY like the Piscitelli pick he is a BMF in the secondary that can lay the lumber to people. I think he goes in the 3rd thought.

Ps. Does anyone know where there is a list of 07 free agents?

70challenger457
01-05-2007, 02:02 PM
(NEW MOCK

Green Bay trades down to the early twenties for an extra second rounder.

First Round Selection: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland.

Second Round Selection II: Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn.

Third Round Selection: Aundrea Allison, WR, East Carolina.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, DB, Oregon State.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshall Yonda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: Taurean Charles, OLB, Bethune-Cookman.)

I like the Meachem Pick, But Irons isn't that good. He had a solid senior season, other then that he did nothing. Kolby Smith could be picked up in the 3rd or 4th round and is better then Irons. I REALLY like the Piscitelli pick he is a BMF in the secondary that can lay the lumber to people. I think he goes in the 3rd thought.

Ps. Does anyone know where there is a list of 07 free agents?Is it just coinsidense that you and Jim Jim have the exact same mock? Is this yours?

70challenger457
01-05-2007, 02:04 PM
2007 opponents
away
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City
home
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, San Diego

RockJock07
01-05-2007, 02:08 PM
I put that up to remind myself what his mock was

01-05-2007, 02:20 PM
2007 opponents
away
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City
home
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, San DiegoPretty tough schedule, we have to play some pretty good teams outside our division away from home. Our home schedule isn't that bad though.

70challenger457
01-05-2007, 02:31 PM
2007 opponents
away
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City
home
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, San DiegoPretty tough schedule, we have to play some pretty good teams outside our division away from home. Our home schedule isn't that bad though.If theres one team on there I want to beat, it's the bronco's and Javon. BTW, talk to scott and change your screen name, I hate Javon so much, Remember what he said, they have a chance to win the SB and we have a chance to win 4 games, eat s*** and die Javon

Jim Jim
01-05-2007, 02:51 PM
Jay Cutler vs Brett Favre would be entertaining.

sik wit it
01-05-2007, 03:16 PM
2007 opponents
away
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City
home
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, San DiegoPretty tough schedule, we have to play some pretty good teams outside our division away from home. Our home schedule isn't that bad though.If theres one team on there I want to beat, it's the bronco's and Javon. BTW, talk to scott and change your screen name, I hate Javon so much, Remember what he said, they have a chance to win the SB and we have a chance to win 4 games, eat s*** and die Javon
i would love to watch Al shut him down. I can't wait

01-05-2007, 03:53 PM
2007 opponents
away
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, St. Louis, Denver, Kansas City
home
Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Oakland, San DiegoPretty tough schedule, we have to play some pretty good teams outside our division away from home. Our home schedule isn't that bad though.If theres one team on there I want to beat, it's the bronco's and Javon. BTW, talk to scott and change your screen name, I hate Javon so much, Remember what he said, they have a chance to win the SB and we have a chance to win 4 games, eat s*** and die JavonI can't change it now, it's too legendary. We're just gonna have to hope GB acquires a player named Javon.

ny10804
01-05-2007, 04:26 PM
So you guys know, Marco Rivera has sucked this year -- aka TT not resigning him only hurt for one year, and even that year he was part of one of the worst o-lines in the NFL.

GB12
01-05-2007, 04:47 PM
So you guys know, Marco Rivera has sucked this year -- aka TT not resigning him only hurt for one year, and even that year he was part of one of the worst o-lines in the NFL.

I've had full trust in TT for a while but that raises it. I was pissed when we lost our gaurds but look what we have now, two young guys that are playing well and are only going to improve instead of 2 declining veterans.

TitleTown088
01-05-2007, 04:50 PM
So you guys know, Marco Rivera has sucked this year -- aka TT not resigning him only hurt for one year, and even that year he was part of one of the worst o-lines in the NFL.

TT is looking pretty smart right about now , especially to all his haters. I love him.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-05-2007, 04:59 PM
(NEW MOCK

Green Bay trades down to the early twenties for an extra second rounder.

First Round Selection: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland.

Second Round Selection II: Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn.

Third Round Selection: Aundrea Allison, WR, East Carolina.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, DB, Oregon State.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshall Yonda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: Taurean Charles, OLB, Bethune-Cookman.)

I like the Meachem Pick, But Irons isn't that good. He had a solid senior season, other then that he did nothing. Kolby Smith could be picked up in the 3rd or 4th round and is better then Irons. I REALLY like the Piscitelli pick he is a BMF in the secondary that can lay the lumber to people. I think he goes in the 3rd thought.

Ps. Does anyone know where there is a list of 07 free agents?

To Answer your question these are some top free agents:

QBs:
Matt Schaub,ATL (RFA)
Damon Huard, KC
HBs:
Ahman Green,GB
Michael Turner, SD
Chris Brown, TEN
WRs/TEs:
Drew Bennett, TEN
Kevin Curtis, STL
Patrick Crayton, DAL
Tony Gonzalez, KC
Kelley Washington, CIN
Ernest Wilford, JAC (RFA)
Daniel Graham, NE
Jerramy Stevens, SEA
OL:
Max Starks, PIT (RFA)
Leonard Davis, ARI
Eric Steinbach, CIN
Kris Dielman, SD
DL:
Dwight Freeney, IND
Jared Allen, KC (RFA)
Vonnie Holliday, MIA
Justin Smith, CIN
Hollis Thomas, NO
Robaire Smith, TEN
LBs:
Lance Briggs, CHI
Nail Diggs, CAR
Cato June, IND
Adalius Thomas, BAL
London Fletcher, BUF
Randall Godfrey, SD
DBs:
Nate Clements, BUF
Asante Samuel, NE
Ken Hamlin, SEA
Nick Harper, IND
Deon Grant, JAC
Gibril Wilson, NYG (RFA)
Michael Lewis, PHI

GadoR'Savior
01-05-2007, 05:33 PM
The only way i wouldnt mind if we dont take Lynch ( http://www.marshawn10.com check it out he is so amazin) is if we can pick up Michael Turner and Reggie Nelson or Jarrett are there

GadoR'Savior
01-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Lynch fits the system so good though the one cut back, plus his great vision. Jenkins did an amzin job at DE my friends didnt believe me a few years ago when i said he'd be a stud and solved are DE prob. We do need a big wideout not a 6'0 jennings driver type but a big Jarrett 6'4- 6'5 220 type. Then a safty to go next to Collins which i do love Nelson and think he'd be a great pick.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-05-2007, 06:26 PM
id rather go lynch/jarret first and merriweather/te second

TitleTown088
01-05-2007, 06:37 PM
Saw this somewhere..

Milwaukee's WTMJ4 reported today that a source close to the Favre family says that Favre is expected to anounce his decision during Super Bowl week. And if he had to decide today he would retire.

****

sik wit it
01-05-2007, 07:15 PM
Saw this somewhere..

Milwaukee's WTMJ4 reported today that a source close to the Favre family says that Favre is expected to anounce his decision during Super Bowl week. And if he had to decide today he would retire.

***********
we can't be livin' the dream forever. I think its a good way to go out. He got the team this far now he just passing the torch to the next. The only better way to go out is if we get to the ship next year.

War packers sb champs in 07
War a final favre campaign in 07
War Favre the best ever to lace em up.

TitleTown088
01-05-2007, 07:40 PM
Saw this somewhere..

Milwaukee's WTMJ4 reported today that a source close to the Favre family says that Favre is expected to anounce his decision during Super Bowl week. And if he had to decide today he would retire.

***********
we can't be livin' the dream forever. I think its a good way to go out. He got the team this far now he just passing the torch to the next. The only better way to go out is if we get to the ship next year.

War packers sb champs in 07
War a final favre campaign in 07
War Favre the best ever to lace em up.


I think you ment this...

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CARDIAC CAT 7
01-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Saw this somewhere..

Milwaukee's WTMJ4 reported today that a source close to the Favre family says that Favre is expected to anounce his decision during Super Bowl week. And if he had to decide today he would retire.

***********
we can't be livin' the dream forever. I think its a good way to go out. He got the team this far now he just passing the torch to the next. The only better way to go out is if we get to the ship next year.

War packers sb champs in 07
War a final favre campaign in 07
War Favre the best ever to lace em up.


Who get the torch, Kampman? lol.

sik wit it
01-05-2007, 08:10 PM
Saw this somewhere..

Milwaukee's WTMJ4 reported today that a source close to the Favre family says that Favre is expected to anounce his decision during Super Bowl week. And if he had to decide today he would retire.

***********
we can't be livin' the dream forever. I think its a good way to go out. He got the team this far now he just passing the torch to the next. The only better way to go out is if we get to the ship next year.

War packers sb champs in 07
War a final favre campaign in 07
War Favre the best ever to lace em up.


Who get the torch, Kampman? lol.
get your shots in towards Rodgers while you can. I think he'll be solid in our offense.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Maybe, Aaron Rodgers can set a personal record and play 11 minutes next season. All joking aside, hopefully he carries a chip on his shoulder for being drafted so low.

TitleTown088
01-05-2007, 09:29 PM
brett Favre talking a little when he signs a helmet after his latest vistory over the bears... gottta love it.
http://shopping.officialbrettfavre.com/i/56845df68055/pl/dscn1584_300.jpg

he just rubs it in with the 12-2 lifetime career at soldier feild comment.

sik wit it
01-05-2007, 09:32 PM
brett Favre talking a little when he signs a helmet after his latest vistory over the bears... gottta love it.
http://shopping.officialbrettfavre.com/i/56845df68055/pl/dscn1584_300.jpg

he just rubs it in with the 12-2 lifetime career at soldier feild comment.
if that was indeed the "last supper" I wonder how much cash that thing is worth

TitleTown088
01-05-2007, 09:34 PM
brett Favre talking a little when he signs a helmet after his latest vistory over the bears... gottta love it.
http://shopping.officialbrettfavre.com/i/56845df68055/pl/dscn1584_300.jpg

he just rubs it in with the 12-2 lifetime career at soldier feild comment.
if that was indeed the "last supper" I wonder how much cash that thing is worth

ha, i like that" the last supper" :lol: it's so true.

PACKmanN
01-06-2007, 01:19 AM
Im going to sign my AJ Hawk Athletic signed jersey how much should i start the bidding at?

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 08:53 AM
STERLING's DRAFT HIGHLIGHT PLAN

The University of Minnesota has a recent strong history producing successful NFL RB's.

Marion Barber was great at the U of M, but because the Gophers to that point had two recent failures at RB in the NFL (Darrell Thompson and Chris Darkins), the NFL was leary and Marion Barber slipped to round 4 (#109 overall), here to the Cowboys. Barber had about 15 TDs this season and fans and Parcells, and Deion Sanders on TV, love the Marion.

Then last year we saw Laurence Maroney go in the 1st Rd to New England, and he had a great rookie season, but missed a few games.

But there was also a guy who had his sophomore season shared with Maroney and he was just as good as Maroney in 2005. But he didn't play this season because of a funny little academic problem. Gary Russell.

You think he'll last til round 6 or 7? No way. Scouts have learned. Had he played this season as the starter, he might have led the nation in rushing.

Here are his stats from last year, compared to Barber & Maroney.

GARY RUSSELL
Year GP Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds TD
2005 12 186 1130 6.1 18 16 168 1
LAURENCE MARONEY
2005 12 281 1464 5.2 10 17 170 1

You can see that in last year's 2005 season, Maroney had more work and opportunites, and he did great. Good enough to get drafted in teh first round after that season. But notice that Gary Russell averaged almost a full yard per carry MORE than Maroney. Same team, same OL, same season.

Plus he also was more explosive scoring 8 MORE TDs, on about 100 fewer carries. Like I said, had Russell played this season, he probably would be a first round pick. That's why I would not wait til round 4 or 5 to draft him. He has first round talent, so a 3rd rounder for him is a steal.

MARONEY: 5'11", 217, 4.47
BARBER 5'11", 221, 4.49
RUSSELL: 5'11", 215, ?

Lastly, GR is only 20, and has very low mileage on those tires. His legs are extremely fresh and he is strong. Terrell Davis was a 5th round draft pick.

Russell will be the star suprise of the 2007 NFL Draft, like this year it was Marques Colston was in round 7. My only worry is that Russell does so well at the combine with all those skills and things, and he flies way up in the drfat. I want him in round 3.

#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.

And this doesn't even count our free agent signings, in which we have tons of cap room.... in other words, I'd put MOST OF my eggs in the TE BASKET with TONY GONZALEZ

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-06-2007, 09:39 AM
i like your stuff sterling. but why another qb in the 4th? other then that i would be happy with any of those wr's in the first and merriweather in the second with this runningback in the third if hes as good as you say he is

ny10804
01-06-2007, 10:19 AM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 12:18 PM
Gary Russell is a good kid just not a very bright one and does have talent. I would love to see him in packer uniform but i would not even think about wasting a higher pick then a round 5 for him because he has been out of football for a year.

TitleTown088
01-06-2007, 12:23 PM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

does his middle name start with a M too or what?

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 12:28 PM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

does his middle name start with a M too or what?

No, he is the third packers coach in a row to have his first name be mike.

Mike holmgren, sherman, and now mcarthy

GB12
01-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

does his middle name start with a M too or what?

No, he is the third packers coach in a row to have his first name be mike.

Mike holmgren, sherman, and now mcarthy

I don't like that I stick with MM.

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 12:34 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-06-2007, 12:42 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.we did pick up ingle martin last year in the 6th or 7th i dont really see us picking up another qb unless it is in the latter rounds

nextyear5
01-06-2007, 12:43 PM
So you guys know, Marco Rivera has sucked this year -- aka TT not resigning him only hurt for one year, and even that year he was part of one of the worst o-lines in the NFL.

TT is looking pretty smart right about now , especially to all his haters. I love him.

Ted Thompson is a great GM. I had a lot of doubts about a lot of his moves but I just told myself they'd work out much like they did in Seattle. Drafting Greg Jennings over Chad Jackson was the biggest question mark for me and he proved why he is the GM of the Pack and not me lol. I did love the Woodson signing as he was my favorite player outside Green Bay. He is truly a great personnel evaluator.

nextyear5
01-06-2007, 01:00 PM
STERLING's DRAFT HIGHLIGHT PLAN

The University of Minnesota has a recent strong history producing successful NFL RB's.

Marion Barber was great at the U of M, but because the Gophers to that point had two recent failures at RB in the NFL (Darrell Thompson and Chris Darkins), the NFL was leary and Marion Barber slipped to round 4 (#109 overall), here to the Cowboys. Barber had about 15 TDs this season and fans and Parcells, and Deion Sanders on TV, love the Marion.

Then last year we saw Laurence Maroney go in the 1st Rd to New England, and he had a great rookie season, but missed a few games.

But there was also a guy who had his sophomore season shared with Maroney and he was just as good as Maroney in 2005. But he didn't play this season because of a funny little academic problem. Gary Russell.

You think he'll last til round 6 or 7? No way. Scouts have learned. Had he played this season as the starter, he might have led the nation in rushing.

Here are his stats from last year, compared to Barber & Maroney.

GARY RUSSELL
Year GP Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds TD
2005 12 186 1130 6.1 18 16 168 1
LAURENCE MARONEY
2005 12 281 1464 5.2 10 17 170 1

You can see that in last year's 2005 season, Maroney had more work and opportunites, and he did great. Good enough to get drafted in teh first round after that season. But notice that Gary Russell averaged almost a full yard per carry MORE than Maroney. Same team, same OL, same season.

Plus he also was more explosive scoring 8 MORE TDs, on about 100 fewer carries. Like I said, had Russell played this season, he probably would be a first round pick. That's why I would not wait til round 4 or 5 to draft him. He has first round talent, so a 3rd rounder for him is a steal.

MARONEY: 5'11", 217, 4.47
BARBER 5'11", 221, 4.49
RUSSELL: 5'11", 215, ?

Lastly, GR is only 20, and has very low mileage on those tires. His legs are extremely fresh and he is strong. Terrell Davis was a 5th round draft pick.

Russell will be the star suprise of the 2007 NFL Draft, like this year it was Marques Colston was in round 7. My only worry is that Russell does so well at the combine with all those skills and things, and he flies way up in the drfat. I want him in round 3.

#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.

And this doesn't even count our free agent signings, in which we have tons of cap room.... in other words, I'd put MOST OF my eggs in the TE BASKET with TONY GONZALEZ

OK, I love the Gophers and watched Russell play, good speed, good power and toughness, no nagging injuries. That said, he hasn't played football in over a year!!! Let''s see who does that remind us of... Mike Williams.... Maurice Clarett....? And Kevin Kolb will go MUCH higher than the 3rd Round, some people think he is the best QB after Quinn and JaMarcus, and if he had better skills than Quinn, don't you think he'd not be drafted 3 rounds after him?

Hawk
01-06-2007, 01:33 PM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

does his middle name start with a M too or what?

No, he is the third packers coach in a row to have his first name be mike.

Mike holmgren, sherman, and now mcarthy

woah, did you just forget the almighty Ray Rhodes?!?!?!

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 03:44 PM
OK, I love the Gophers and watched Russell play, good speed, good power and toughness, no nagging injuries. That said, he hasn't played football in over a year!!! Let''s see who does that remind us of... Mike Williams.... Maurice Clarett....? And Kevin Kolb will go MUCH higher than the 3rd Round, some people think he is the best QB after Quinn and JaMarcus, and if he had better skills than Quinn, don't you think he'd not be drafted 3 rounds after him?

Well Tom Brady still went after QBs Spergynn Wynn and Giovanni Carmozzi or something like that. GMs and scouts always make the same mistakes over and over.

Also, Clarett was a thug, always was. Mike Williams is a different position, but both of them were on two of the highest profile schools and tend to be overrated year in year out. Barber and Maroney both would have gone way higher had their stats and performance come at USC or Ohio State. Someone benefitted from both of them and I hope it is US who does from Russell.

NCSUfan
01-06-2007, 03:47 PM
SPLIT COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/ATT TD INT
1st DOWN 119 228 52 1113 4.9 3 11
2nd DOWN 117 194 60 1367 7.0 8 3
3rd DOWN 105 184 57 1392 7.6 7 3

interesting favre stats...maybe all his first downs were from behind and he was trying to make up ground?

nextyear5
01-06-2007, 04:02 PM
OK, I love the Gophers and watched Russell play, good speed, good power and toughness, no nagging injuries. That said, he hasn't played football in over a year!!! Let''s see who does that remind us of... Mike Williams.... Maurice Clarett....? And Kevin Kolb will go MUCH higher than the 3rd Round, some people think he is the best QB after Quinn and JaMarcus, and if he had better skills than Quinn, don't you think he'd not be drafted 3 rounds after him?

Well Tom Brady still went after QBs Spergynn Wynn and Giovanni Carmozzi or something like that. GMs and scouts always make the same mistakes over and over.

Also, Clarett was a thug, always was. Mike Williams is a different position, but both of them were on two of the highest profile schools and tend to be overrated year in year out. Barber and Maroney both would have gone way higher had their stats and performance come at USC or Ohio State. Someone benefitted from both of them and I hope it is US who does from Russell.

OK, you make good points. And I do like Russell a lot but I have to have my doubts ya know? But I still don't think we need another QB.

RockJock07
01-06-2007, 05:15 PM
I agree, taking a QB would be a good idea. I like Colt Brennen better then kolb but I could be happy with either.

Rogers has 2 years to study this offense, he's ready, but like i said before, the packers can't put all their eggs in one basket and must prepare for the worst.

If Russell last to the 6-7the round, you pick him, no question. Most of the 6-7 round picks never make it, this kid has some talent. If he still has his head up his *** you cut him in camp. The Packers have nothing to loss if they pick him.

If the chiefs loss this game, Gonzales will leave, I would rather have tony then bubba. Franks was and has been AWFUL since signing his new deal.

sik wit it
01-06-2007, 05:43 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 05:47 PM
Apparently M3 thinks Bubba Franks will bounce back next year, to go along with having a bigger role in the offense. AKA, no Tony.

does his middle name start with a M too or what?

No, he is the third packers coach in a row to have his first name be mike.

Mike holmgren, sherman, and now mcarthy

woah, did you just forget the almighty Ray Rhodes?!?!?!

damn, i totally forgot about him. oh well, didnt really like him anyways

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 05:49 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

so you have to be a smart person academically in order to be a good person personality wise and football wise :?

Empire
01-06-2007, 06:10 PM
#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.

/b][/i]

I do not know how many times I along with the rest of the Packer fans will have to tell you that Merriweather will NOT get drafted by the Packers. For the five billionth time Merriweather is not a Packer person and will not get drafted. Get that through your thick skull.

GB12
01-06-2007, 06:13 PM
#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.

/b][/i]

I do not know how many times I along with the rest of the Packer fans will have to tell you that Merriweather will NOT get drafted by the Packers. For the five billionth time Merriweather is not a Packer person and will not get drafted. Get that through your thick skull.

It bothers me more that he has us taking him in the SECOND ROUND.

Empire
01-06-2007, 06:30 PM
#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.



I do not know how many times I along with the rest of the Packer fans will have to tell you that Merriweather will NOT get drafted by the Packers. For the five billionth time Merriweather is not a Packer person and will not get drafted. Get that through your thick skull.

It bothers me more that he has us taking him in the SECOND ROUND.

Not only that but a bunch of Packer fans have told him he is not a guy TT wants. Yet he continues to spout his nonsense. Like you said TT will not use a second rounder on a guy with poor character.

sik wit it
01-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

so you have to be a smart person academically in order to be a good person personality wise and football wise :?
well if you're not willing to be in the time and effort in school, whats the difference on the football field? He has bad habbits and its too much of a risk

nextyear5
01-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

so you have to be a smart person academically in order to be a good person personality wise and football wise :?
well if you're not willing to be in the time and effort in school, whats the difference on the football field? He has bad habbits and its too much of a risk

An example of a guy who wasnt the best academically but was a very smart basketball person and a very nice guy is Kevin Garnett. Big risk/big reward.

someone447
01-06-2007, 07:24 PM
PACKER PERSON IS OVERRATED. He will pick people he believes will help the team i.e. KOREN ROBINSON. Real Packer Person there. That is just lip service to the fans who don't want people like TO.

Big_Brother
01-06-2007, 07:24 PM
Where is Moses?

I miss him.

I miss his mocks.

I miss his eyes... errr... umm...

But yea anyways where did he go?

Empire
01-06-2007, 07:34 PM
PACKER PERSON IS OVERRATED. He will pick people he believes will help the team i.e. KOREN ROBINSON. Real Packer Person there. That is just lip service to the fans who don't want people like TO.

You can't be serious. There is a huge difference between Koren Robinson and people like Merriweather. Robinson is a great guy who has some trouble with alcohol. Merriweather is a guy who hits people with his helmet. HUGE difference.

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 08:07 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

so you have to be a smart person academically in order to be a good person personality wise and football wise :?
well if you're not willing to be in the time and effort in school, whats the difference on the football field? He has bad habbits and its too much of a risk

Because he has bad grades dont necessary mean he has bad work ethic. And is for risks go TT has taken plenty of them already and they have shown to actually help the team other then hurt them.

someone447
01-06-2007, 08:15 PM
PACKER PERSON IS OVERRATED. He will pick people he believes will help the team i.e. KOREN ROBINSON. Real Packer Person there. That is just lip service to the fans who don't want people like TO.

You can't be serious. There is a huge difference between Koren Robinson and people like Merriweather. Robinson is a great guy who has some trouble with alcohol. Merriweather is a guy who hits people with his helmet. HUGE difference.

Merriweather didn't endanger someones life. Koren Robinson has been CAUGHT multiple times. All it is is lip service. Do you honestly think TT would pass on someone who could help the Packers just because he is a "Packer Person?" No way, football is a business. You do your damnedest to win.

jpapa4490
01-06-2007, 08:19 PM
PACKER PERSON IS OVERRATED. He will pick people he believes will help the team i.e. KOREN ROBINSON. Real Packer Person there. That is just lip service to the fans who don't want people like TO.

You can't be serious. There is a huge difference between Koren Robinson and people like Merriweather. Robinson is a great guy who has some trouble with alcohol. Merriweather is a guy who hits people with his helmet. HUGE difference.

Merriweather didn't endanger someones life. Koren Robinson has been CAUGHT multiple times. All it is is lip service. Do you honestly think TT would pass on someone who could help the Packers just because he is a "Packer Person?" No way, football is a business. You do your damnedest to win.

I agree with you somewhat but KO-RO is not a bad locker room type of guy it's off the field issues that get him. TT doesnt want another javon walker and mike mckenzie kind of guy. But he might take a chance on a rookie who might be able to change over his career other then for a big name FA who is jackass like TO.

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 11:39 PM
#1- WR Sidney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn
#2- SS Brandon Meriweather, Miami
#3- RB Gary Russell, Minn
#4- QB Kevin Kolb, Houston

Meriweather also has undeniably first round talent, but with his actions on that brawl for Miami have moved him to a 2nd/3rd round spot, although teams usually will bite on the talent anyway and I think he might be gone by our mid 2nd round pick anyway. I hope not. He'd be a GIGANTIC UPGRADE back there over Marquand Manual. Imagine our safeties being a STRENGTH (Meriweather-Collins) instead of a weakness. With our CBs, LB's, and new improved DL, our defense could be top 3 easy. Plus with this draft I gave us playmakers at WR and RB.

/b][/i]

I do not know how many times I along with the rest of the Packer fans will have to tell you that Merriweather will NOT get drafted by the Packers. For the five billionth time Merriweather is not a Packer person and will not get drafted. Get that through your thick skull.

Empire, I will after the draft. Remember, Teddy went against everyone's advice on Koren Robinson, who commited a worse act than Meriweather did.

GB12
01-06-2007, 11:41 PM
I don't remember like anyone being against singing robinson. I'm not totally against drafting him just not in the second round.

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 11:42 PM
PACKER PERSON IS OVERRATED. He will pick people he believes will help the team i.e. KOREN ROBINSON. Real Packer Person there. That is just lip service to the fans who don't want people like TO.

No Kidding.
Packer people huh?
They can't all be like Favre and Hornung, Taylor and Bowler.
Is Ahman Green's police record "Packer-like"?

Bottom line is TT wants the best football players. Period. He signed K Robinson because of that, not because he wanted to hit the pub with him.

SterlingSharpe
01-06-2007, 11:46 PM
I don't remember like anyone being against singing robinson. I'm not totally against drafting him just not in the second round.

Well I will bet you any amount that he's drafted before our 3rd round pick is up......... care to put some $ on the line? The guy has unquestionable 1st round talent. Is he a thug? Sure looks like it. But so are a lot of NFL Pro Bowlers. By the way, I do not condone what he did and in fact I would have suspended him for the whole season.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-06-2007, 11:57 PM
I don't remember like anyone being against singing robinson. I'm not totally against drafting him just not in the second round.

Well I will bet you any amount that he's drafted before our 3rd round pick is up......... care to put some $ on the line? The guy has unquestionable 1st round talent. Is he a thug? Sure looks like it. But so are a lot of NFL Pro Bowlers. By the way, I do not condone what he did and in fact I would have suspended him for the whole season.im with ya on the merriweather in the second. he wont be there when we pick third. but who knows there were some odd drafts last year too so...but im with ya on saying to pick him in the second

GB12
01-07-2007, 12:10 AM
I don't remember like anyone being against singing robinson. I'm not totally against drafting him just not in the second round.

Well I will bet you any amount that he's drafted before our 3rd round pick is up......... care to put some $ on the line? The guy has unquestionable 1st round talent. Is he a thug? Sure looks like it. But so are a lot of NFL Pro Bowlers. By the way, I do not condone what he did and in fact I would have suspended him for the whole season.

No, I'm certain he'll be gone by then. If for some reason he is available by the third take him right away, I just don't want him in the second.

sik wit it
01-07-2007, 01:04 AM
sterling i dont get it, you're defending meri yet in your sig you seem to question him.

Whistler6
01-07-2007, 02:11 AM
haha...come on give him a chance. What is Meriwhether gonna do? get in trouble for fighting outside a cornfield? Maybe he will get caugh tipping cows or something. Its WISCONSIN. whats he gonna do here that could really get him in trouble? I think Green Bay would be a awesome place for him***

Whistler6
01-07-2007, 02:12 AM
wow my sig is outdated :roll:

SterlingSharpe
01-07-2007, 09:07 AM
sterling i dont get it, you're defending meri yet in your sig you seem to question him.

that's funny. i don't have a photo of a mug shot from brandon yet.
and remember, i said that the guy should have been suspended for one full season. i don't take those things lightly, and i personally would jail people who commit assault on the football field, or hockey rink, basketball floor, etc.

but since that's not how it is yet, i'll still gladly take the guy on my team in round two because i think he's maybe as talented as any safety in the draft and i think he can be better than even sean taylor has for the redskins putrid defense.

i think you'll see at the combine he will test as well as laron landry and reggie nelson.... same speed same size or better.....

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-07-2007, 09:17 AM
i think sean taylor is overrated myself, what exactly makes him so good?

Nitschke-Hawk
01-07-2007, 10:39 AM
i think sean taylor is overrated myself, what exactly makes him so good?

Cause he's a beast, at safety you have to cover other peoples mistakes sometimes cause you're the last line defense, so they had a mistake prone defense this year and the overall defensive talent there is about average. Thus he can't make every play. He'd be the perfect guy to put next to Nick Collins though.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-07-2007, 12:25 PM
i think sean taylor is overrated myself, what exactly makes him so good?

If it wasn't for Sean Taylor the Cowboys probably would of had a bye for the playoffs, remember his return of the block kick that got WAS into field goal range (including the face mask penalty against DAL). Theirs been numerous times ive seen him just strip a ball while making a solo tackle. This guy is a man amongst boys and he still really young.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-07-2007, 12:37 PM
Gary Russell was kicked off the team because he had academic problems. A guy who cant even put in enough effort to keep his grade at a "C", is not a player I would want on my team. Maybe as a 6-7 round pick but thats the earliest. I do believe he has really good upside, but his downside is far greater. You cant really compare him to Maroney, Maroney ran well for more than one year, and hes an extremly hard worker.

Actually you can compare them since they ran behind the same offensive line in 2005 and against the same defenses.

Also, as far as "getting kicked off the team" goes; the U of Minnesota has much tougher academic requirments than a lot of other Big Ten schools, such as Iowa, and the fact that they have gotten in big trouble for cheating for some of their athletes makes it harder to keep teh less bright ones in.

By the way, what difference does it make how they are as a student in college once they hit the NFL?
Nobody's dumber than Vince Young, and he's done great already.

No needs for valedictorians at the RB position in the NFL. Just learn to block and the rest is natural for those guys.

As far as the 4th Rd QB goes: I like Aaron Rodgers but I realize from history that the hit rate on QBs is shaky, and I think Kevin Kolb has it all.
And I think he's got better skills than the golden boy Brady Quinn, so a 4th rd pick might be a steal. It's low enough for a risk like that.

And M3 is publicly saying all the right things about Bubba, because he knows confidence is crucial for Bubba to get his hands back. But do you really believe he wouldn't spend the $ to bring in Gonzalez if he could? Come on.
Sterling, are you series? Iowa is way ahead of Minny academic wise. I would consider Minny one of the easiest schools. Being a good student in college shows a lot of things. Work ethic, responsiblity, knowledge, study habits (for film) and a few other things. With his track record I'm pretty sure he's not a Packer person.

so you have to be a smart person academically in order to be a good person personality wise and football wise :?
well if you're not willing to be in the time and effort in school, whats the difference on the football field? He has bad habbits and its too much of a risk

An example of a guy who wasnt the best academically but was a very smart basketball person and a very nice guy is Kevin Garnett. Big risk/big reward.

LOL, your leaving out a big factor between Kevin Garnett and Gary Russell. Kevin Garnett has freakish talent, whlie Gary Russell has numbers to hide behind. Is their anyone here that thinks Gary Russell will be a workout warrior?

70challenger457
01-07-2007, 12:44 PM
i think sean taylor is overrated myself, what exactly makes him so good?not making fun of you or anything but why are we talking about Sean Taylor in a packer forum

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-07-2007, 02:38 PM
i think sean taylor is overrated myself, what exactly makes him so good?not making fun of you or anything but why are we talking about Sean Taylor in a packer forumsomeone was comparing him and merriweather and i think taylor is somewhat overrated but i havent seen him play that much so id thought id ask and bringing it up in the skins thread would probably cause some disruption somewhere

SterlingSharpe
01-07-2007, 03:01 PM
I just did this for PackersNews, thought I'd throw it out here for you fellas to chew on.

Just wanted to throw out some recent history of draft picks in the #10-#20 range, or after.

Some people like young fans and Clifford the big red dog Christl think superstars and playmakers almost always come in the top 5 picks of drafts.
In addition to UNDRAFTED stars like Priest Holmes and Antonio Gates, and late rounders like Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Marques Colston and Donald Driver, here are some examples below.

This is a sensational list of WHO'S WHO of PRO BOWLERS. I forgot some more like Brian Dawkins, Zach Thomas, and plenty of Pro Bowl offensive linemen.

(We pick at #16 in the upcoming draft)

*These guys were drafted AT #16:
Troy Palamalu
Santana Moss
Julian Peterson
Jerry Rice

These guys ALL went AFTER pick #16:
Larry Johnson,
Javon Walker,
Ed Reed,
Deuce,
Nate Clements,
Reggie Wayne,
Shawn Alexander,
Randy Moss,
Marvin Harrison,
Terrell Owens,
Ray Lewis,
Derrick Brooks,
Ty Law,
Emmitt Smith,
Thurman Thomas,
Dan Marino,
Joe Montana,
Tom Brady,
Brett Favre,

RECENT HISTORY:
2005
*Shaune Merriman #12

2004
*Tommie Harris #14
Steven Jackson #24

2003
Ty Warren #13
*Troy Palamalu #16
Willis McGahee #23
*Larry Johnson #27

2002
*Dwight Freeney #11
Javon Walker #20
*Ed Reed #24

2001
*Marcus Stroud #13
Santana Moss #16
Nate Clements #21
Deuce McCallister #23
*Reggie Wayne #30

2000
*John Abraham #13
*Julian Peterson #16
Chad Pennington #18
*Shawn Alexander #19

1998
*Randy Moss #21 (we selected Vonnie Holliday at #19)

1997
Warrick Dunn #12
*Tony Gonzalez #13
Trvor Pryce #28

1996
*Marvin Harrison #19
*Ray Lewis #26
*Terrell Owens #89

1995
Warren Sapp #12
Ty Law #23
Derrick Brooks #28

1993
Jerome Bettis #10

1991
*Brett Favre #33

1990
*Emmitt Smith #17 (pick they got from MN! We drafted RB Darrell Thompson right after this pick)

1988
*Michael Irvin #11
*Thurman Thomas #40

1987
Rod Woodson #10

1985
*Jerry Rice #16

1983
Jim Kelly #14
Joey Browner #19
*Dan Marino #27
Darrell Green #28

1982
Marcus Allen #10
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What's the point of all this?
Well it's just to point out that there ALWAYS will be superstars that come at the #16 pick or later. There will be a few available at our pick. Can Teddy Thompson find them? He did find Shawn Alexander at the #19 pick in 2000, out of Alabama. I also like SEC running backs. Terrell Davis also was picked (Georgia) at #196 in 1995. We chose RB Travis Jervey 26 picks EARLIER. Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker also came from SEC schools, as did Emmitt Smith.

SEC running backs in this draft:
Kenny Irons, Auburn (not worth higher than a 2nd rd)
Kenneth Darby, Alabama (don't like)
DeShawn Wynn, Florida (sleeper I like the skills of more than Irons or Darby)

(Darren McFadden NEXT year #1 overall?)

01-07-2007, 03:25 PM
I now have faith in TT in whoever he drafts he has been pretty damn good over the past couple years in getting good talent in all rouns of the draft.

nextyear5
01-07-2007, 03:49 PM
I just did this for PackersNews, thought I'd throw it out here for you fellas to chew on.

Just wanted to throw out some recent history of draft picks in the #10-#20 range, or after.

Some people like young fans and Clifford the big red dog Christl think superstars and playmakers almost always come in the top 5 picks of drafts.
In addition to UNDRAFTED stars like Priest Holmes and Antonio Gates, and late rounders like Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Marques Colston and Donald Driver, here are some examples below.

This is a sensational list of WHO'S WHO of PRO BOWLERS. I forgot some more like Brian Dawkins, Zach Thomas, and plenty of Pro Bowl offensive linemen.

(We pick at #16 in the upcoming draft)

*These guys were drafted AT #16:
Troy Palamalu
Santana Moss
Julian Peterson
Jerry Rice

These guys ALL went AFTER pick #16:
Larry Johnson,
Javon Walker,
Ed Reed,
Deuce,
Nate Clements,
Reggie Wayne,
Shawn Alexander,
Randy Moss,
Marvin Harrison,
Terrell Owens,
Ray Lewis,
Derrick Brooks,
Ty Law,
Emmitt Smith,
Thurman Thomas,
Dan Marino,
Joe Montana,
Tom Brady,
Brett Favre,

RECENT HISTORY:
2005
*Shaune Merriman #12

2004
*Tommie Harris #14
Steven Jackson #24

2003
Ty Warren #13
*Troy Palamalu #16
Willis McGahee #23
*Larry Johnson #27

2002
*Dwight Freeney #11
Javon Walker #20
*Ed Reed #24

2001
*Marcus Stroud #13
Santana Moss #16
Nate Clements #21
Deuce McCallister #23
*Reggie Wayne #30

2000
*John Abraham #13
*Julian Peterson #16
Chad Pennington #18
*Shawn Alexander #19

1998
*Randy Moss #21 (we selected Vonnie Holliday at #19)

1997
Warrick Dunn #12
*Tony Gonzalez #13
Trvor Pryce #28

1996
*Marvin Harrison #19
*Ray Lewis #26
*Terrell Owens #89

1995
Warren Sapp #12
Ty Law #23
Derrick Brooks #28

1993
Jerome Bettis #10

1991
*Brett Favre #33

1990
*Emmitt Smith #17 (pick they got from MN! We drafted RB Darrell Thompson right after this pick)

1988
*Michael Irvin #11
*Thurman Thomas #40

1987
Rod Woodson #10

1985
*Jerry Rice #16

1983
Jim Kelly #14
Joey Browner #19
*Dan Marino #27
Darrell Green #28

1982
Marcus Allen #10
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What's the point of all this?
Well it's just to point out that there ALWAYS will be superstars that come at the #16 pick or later. There will be a few available at our pick. Can Teddy Thompson find them? He did find Shawn Alexander at the #19 pick in 2000, out of Alabama. I also like SEC running backs. Terrell Davis also was picked (Georgia) at #196 in 1995. We chose RB Travis Jervey 26 picks EARLIER. Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker also came from SEC schools, as did Emmitt Smith.

SEC running backs in this draft:
Kenny Irons, Auburn (not worth higher than a 2nd rd)
Kenneth Darby, Alabama (don't like)
DeShawn Wynn, Florida (sleeper I like the skills of more than Irons or Darby)

(Darren McFadden NEXT year #1 overall?)

How can you forget guys and then list their names? Hm

SterlingSharpe
01-07-2007, 06:52 PM
What?



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Yes she played TENNIS......

TitleTown088
01-07-2007, 07:16 PM
What?



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Yes she played TENNIS......

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RockJock07
01-07-2007, 10:30 PM
Value is hidden all over the draft every year. I have faith in TT, his draft last year was very solid. Some big name are declairing, this years class is looking very solid, hidden gems will be found in the later rounds.

TitleTown088
01-07-2007, 10:42 PM
Value is hidden all over the draft every year. I have faith in TT, his draft last year was very solid. Some big name are declairing, this years class is looking very solid, hidden gems will be found in the later rounds.
rock jock jayhawk?

RockJock07
01-07-2007, 10:50 PM
Rockjock is a frat nickname

TitleTown088
01-07-2007, 11:43 PM
from the GB press gazzett.(sp)
A: Elite NFL player
B: Above average
C: Average NFL starter
D: Below average
F: Failed to perform at an NFL level

The grades were done by Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette. They are based on season-long interviews with NFL coaches and scouts, and observations of games and practices.

Quarterbacks

Brett Favre: B-
Aaron Rodgers, Ingle Martin, and Todd Bouman: Incomplete

Wide Receivers

Donald Driver: A
Greg Jennings: C-
Ruvell Martin: D+
Carlyle Holiday: D+
Robert Ferguson: F
Chris Francies, Koren Robinson, Shaun Bodiford: Incomplete

Tight Ends

Bubba Franks: D
David Martin: D+
Donald Lee: D-
Zac Alcorn: D-
Tory Humphrey: D-

Running Backs

Ahman Green: C+
Vernand Morency: C-
Noah Herron: D+
Brandon Miree: C-
William Henderson: C-
P.J Pope and Arliss Beach: Incomplete

Offensive Line

Chad Clifton: C+
Mark Tauscher: C+
Scott Wells: B
Daryn Colledge: C-
Jason Spitz: C-
Tony Moll: D+
Junius Coston, Tony Palmer, Tyson Walter, Kevin Barry, Josh Bourke: Incomplete

Defensive Line

Aaron Kampman: A-
Ryan Pickett: B-
Cullen Jenkins: C+
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila: D+
Corey Williams: C-
Colin Cole: D+
Michael Montgomery: D
Johnny Jolly: D
Jason Hunter: D-
Kenderick Allen: Incomplete

Linebackers

A.J. Hawk: B-
Nick Barnett: C+
Brady Poppinga: D+
Abdul Hodge: D
Ben Taylor: D
Tracy White: D
Kurt Campbell: Incomplete

Defensive Backs

Al Harris: A-
Charles Woodson: B+
Marquand Manuel: D
Nick Collins: D+
Patrick Dendy: D
Tyrone Culver: D
Jarrett Bush: D+
Charlie Peprah: D-
Atari Bigby: D-
Will Blackmon and Marviel Underwood: Incomplete

Specialists

Dave Rayner: C
Jon Ryan: D+
Rob Davis: C+

Coaching/Personnel

Mike McCarthy and Staff: B-
Ted Thompson/Personnel Moves: B-

RockJock07
01-08-2007, 01:52 AM
I don't agree with most of these grades.

umphrey
01-08-2007, 03:59 AM
Not too far off with the grades, my adjustments:

Brett B or B+
Driver A-
Jennings C
Clifton and Tauscher B
Wells B-
Kampman A (lead the league in sacks)
Pickett B
Hawk B
Barnett B-
Poppinga C-
Woodson A-
Collins C
MM B
TT B+

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 07:58 AM
I agree with most of the grades.
What stands out to me is this:

ALL of the TE's are 'D' grades. That has to be improved on immediately.
BOTH SAFETY's are 'D' grades. That MUST be fixed right away in free agency and/or the draft.
WR's behind Driver are below average. What happens when Donald gets hurt, which is likely with all the punishment that guy absorbs? We cannot count on Koren Robinson, plus Donald is getting old, We need to add a top notch WR in the draft, preferably one from the same school as fueled us Sterling Sharpe and Robert Brooks, South Carolina. Oh, lukcy for us the WR that broke Sterling's TD records there, in just 2 seasons, just declared for the draft and because there are tons of other overrated marquee WR's. the South Carolina guy will slip to us at our #16 pick, just like when a different WR named Rice slipped to the 49ers at the #16 pick because there were 2 overhyped WRs taken before him in that draft. One from Miami named Eddie Brown and one from Wisconsin named Al Toon. They weren't terrible in the NFL, but they weren't Rice either.

The OL and DL grades are encouraging because all our good guys are young, except the OT spots. We must improve our #3 and #4 OT position and if Tony Moll is the future at RT, then we need to draft a bookend LT.

Last, the 2nd OLB spot with Poppinga is suspect. If the Packers add 3 more expensive or semi-expensive FA's this year, the two they should throw all the money at are TE TONY GONZALEZ and OLB LANCE BRIGGS from Chicago. Bears fans expect to lose him, sadly, but they would really hate it to be to us. Imagine him and AJ Hawk as our 2 OLBs with Barnett on the inside. All this is realistic based on our cap space, although my Marshawn Lynch and Meriweather draft picks need some prayers to work.

FA deal #1: TE Tony Gonzalez
FA deal #2: LB Lance Briggs

Draft #1: WR Sidney Rice
Draft #2: RB Marshawn Lynch (I think he will slide like Clinton Portis did...both are 5-11, weigh between 212-217, and Portis slipped to pick #19 in round 2... I am dreaming if Lynch slips that far too, but Denver's dreams were answered in 2002 with Portis, why not mine...or Teddy can package a trde deal of our 2nd rd pick, plus some players like Robert Ferguson or Marquand Manual or Vernand Morency to move up to the bottom of round 1, maybe with NE who has 2 picks and could actually use Robert Ferguson)

Draft #3: SS Brandon Meriweather
Forget the choir-boy Packer-guy thing. this kid has 1st round talent and for him to be available to us in rd 3 is a blessing. He'll immediately be an upgrade over Manual and solidify the whole D-backfield.


Remaining draft picks:
QB Kevin Kolb, OT, DE, CB

Jim Jim
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
First Round Selection: Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.

Second Round Selection: Josh Wilson, CB/KR, Maryland.

Third Round Selection: Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State.

Fourth Round Selection: Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregon St.

Fifth Round Selection: Marshal Yanda, OG, Iowa.

Sixth Round Selection: David Ball, WR, New Hampshire.

Seventh Round Selection: Sergio Gilliam, CB, Clemson.


Explanation: Sidney Rice has the size and speed to be the perfect receiver in our offense. We can allow him to go into training camp with Greg Jennings fighting it out for the number two spot, as well as having the loser be an excellent slot option.

People don't like the Josh Wilson pick here, but he is a helluva player and can give us a Devin Hester type returner. The thing that separates Wilson from Hester is that Josh Wilson can actually play corner back well. Physical, quick and instinctive will make him an excellent nickleback. He will improve our starting field position more than anyone we have returning kicks now.

Tony Hunt is a slightly bigger back, but he's north-south-, who can make a cut and go. He'll wear down defenses with his size, then allow the quicker Morency to come in. A really nice one-two punch for the future.

70challenger457
01-08-2007, 10:37 AM
When are you guys going to get it. We are not drafting Merriwether. I don't care what you think. We're not going to draft him, your not the one drafting. Your not going to perswade TT, every other person wants him in the third for their team. I think he'll end up getting picked in the 2nd

70challenger457
01-08-2007, 10:40 AM
I still strongly opose a WR i nthe first. First off because WR is such a risky pick but other than that, we won't be starting untill DD is either crap or retired and he's still got 3-4 years of good play in him. Why spend such a high pick on a backup, same goes for CB, Woodson and Harris will still be playing very good for the next couple years.

Nitschke-Hawk
01-08-2007, 11:13 AM
If we didn't draft Jennings I think Dwayne Jarrett would be the pick, man I have no idea what's going to happen, not even an idea. Will RB be the first pick? If Ahman Green is back will it still be the first pick? Will a TE grade out high enough to pick at 16? Will we draft Landry or Nelson? best WR available? Will we trade down or even trade up? Last year you could put money on Hawk to Green Bay this year it's way different, I wish the draft would just hurry up. :|

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 01:38 PM
i made my decision

War Marshawn to the packers

Pack_Attack_4
01-08-2007, 02:02 PM
Does any1 know the free agent list for the packers this year?

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 02:19 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.

I also agree WRs are historically crapshoots in round one. Jarrett and Ginn might be first round disappointments again, and I know Samardzija will be too if he goes that high. But Sidney Rice will be a great WR, but it will not be immediate because he's only played 2 seasons of college football (although that was enough to break Sterling and Robert Brooks SC records).

I can't wait for the draft, and I have confidence in Teddy Bear.

Empire
01-08-2007, 03:22 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.


God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 03:35 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.



God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.
....and the stupid nicknames for TT

01-08-2007, 03:56 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.



God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.
....and the stupid nicknames for TT :lol:

I love those

PACKmanN
01-08-2007, 03:59 PM
TT said he going to go BPA in the draft and in the 3rd round Meriweather is going to be that. Meriweather can also play CB so we can move him around.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 04:02 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.


God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.

Unless you are directly into Ted Thompson's mind, you don't know who he will or won't draft. You people who think that there's a specific "Packer people" or "Seahawk People" that we only can have choir boys on our teams in the Seattle or Green Bay organizations... cracks me up. There are not enough choir boys to go around anymore. All NFL teams are going to have bad apples. Some get bad, some go from bad to good. Troy Smith used to be one too.

Teddy drafted Koren Robinson, whose background checks had red flags all over leading up to his drafting.....

HERES a LIST OF GUYS TEDDY THOMPSON DRAFTED....i am not sure about Locklear's year drafted, but the other guys were while Teddy was the man in charge, especially he drafted Stevens and Robinson.. READ ON about the kinda guys you say TEDDY would never draft.....

EMPIRE'S TEDDY THOMPSON's CHOIR BOYS

A) KIRKLAND, Wash. – Sean Locklear, the team's starting offensive right tackle, is going to play for the Seattle Seahawks in Sunday's NFC Championship Game despite being charged with assaulting his girlfriend.
Coach Mike Holmgren confirmed yesterday that the 6-foot-5, 301-pound Locklear is to play in the game against the Carolina Panthers. Holmgren said he has met with Locklear, who apologized to him and to his teammates.

B) http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/?title=details_emerge_in_fisher_case&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Seahawks DE Bryce Fisher, facing a Dec. 6 court appearance on a fourth-degree assault charge, said he didn't mean any harm when he placed his wife in an "arm bar" hold while the two struggled for control of his cell phone during an argument, according to police. This information comes from the police report, which is public information and available here (sensitive information blacked out by Kirkland Police). The report quotes Fisher's wife as giving a similar account. She also told police the arm-bar maneuver caused pain because she had undergone wrist surgery last year.

C) Seahawks OL Wayne Hunter (left) faces a May 24 arraignment in Renton on two charges stemming from a May 13 incident at a sports bar: fourth-degree assault and third-degree malicious mischief. Hunter has a history of domestic violence (records show he has a Nov. 17 court date in Bellevue stemming from a 2003 charge that led to an NFL suspension), but this latest incident involved a dispute with his brother that ended, allegedly, with Hunter slamming another customer onto a shuffleboard table. According to the police report, Hunter said he had to forcibly remove his brother from the bar after his brother had become intoxicated and belligerent while celebrating his 21st birthday.


D) Seahawks' Stevens charged with DUI
Last Updated: Monday, May 19, 2003 | 6:47 PM ET
CBC Sports
Seattle Seahawks tight end Jerramy Stevens was charged with drunk driving on Friday, more than a month after two half-empty bottles of champagne were discovered in his car during a traffic stop in early April.
Stevens, a University of Washington product, was stopped on April 3 after missing a stop sign.

The officer discovered a pair of champagne bottles beside Stevens in the car.

"We are extremely disappointed and concerned with Jerramy's situation," the Seahawks said in a statement. "We have established several programs, both league and team sponsored, to support and help him.

"We will continue to encourage him to use this support network and believe he should be held accountable for his actions."

The incident is the last in a string of legal problems for Stevens, who entered Seattle's camp before last season with a checkered past.

In 2001, Washington coach Rick Neuheisel held him out of the first half of the team's season-opener against Michigan as a punishment for an accident the previous May in which police say Stevens ran his truck into a retirement centre and left the scene.

The truck ripped a hole in a wall at the Merrill Gardens, and shattered a window in a bedroom where a 92-year-old woman was sleeping, according to a police report.
The woman was not hurt.

Stevens pleaded guilty in June of that year to misdemeanour hit-and-run and was ordered to complete 240 hours of community service for the elderly and homeless.

In addition to that accident, he was arrested and jailed overnight in 2000 for investigation of sexual assault, although no charges were filed.

He was also charged with two counts of assault in June of 1998 after a fight near Olympia, about 60 miles south of Seattle.

He eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanour fourth-degree assault for kicking a man.

He also spent three weeks in jail that summer after a drug test administered under terms of his house arrest turned up THC, the active ingredient in marijuana.

E) You like to forgive him for drafting AND signing Koren Robinson, saying he just has a little problem with alcohol. But as I said, there were plenty of issues with him PRIOR to Teddy selecting the guy. Teddy chose to overlook them obviously, just like with Jerramy Stevens. You see, Teddy is in the business of trying to put a team that can win games out there. He's not putting together a church group or choir.

The former first-round draft pick has a long history with law enforcement in his native North Carolina, establishing a pattern that pre-dates his arrival in Seattle.

Charges dismissed by prosecutors since 1998 include first-degree kidnapping, attempted first-degree sex offense, discharge of a firearm in the city, carrying a concealed weapon, driving while license revoked, no operator's license, operating a vehicle with no insurance and failure to disperse on command.

Robinson was never convicted of any of these crimes, nor were any of the charges ever taken to trial.

The most serious of his arrests occurred in April of 1998. According to a North Carolina police report, Robinson was arrested on suspicion of "kidnapping a person under the age of 16 years, by unlawfully confining for the purpose of committing a felony, first-degree sex offense. (The victim) was not released in a safe place."

Police charged Robinson with an attempted first-degree sex offense, first-degree kidnapping and discharging a firearm in the city. Charges were dropped because, according to the report, police were "unable to locate the prosecuting witness."

someone447
01-08-2007, 04:14 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.


God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.

And you are naive. I have said this before, and I will say it again. FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS!!! His job is to put together a team that can win games. He will talk about wanting Packer people, but all that is is lip service.

You, my friend, seem to be the thick skulled and idiotic one. Let's look at a few of the people signed by TT this past offseason. Ahman Green-convicted of domestic violence. Najeh Davenport-HE DROPPED A DEUCE IN AN EX GIRLFRIENDS DORM ROOM AFTER BREAKING AND ENTERING. Koren Robinson-Multiple DUI offender. Am I missing anyone with a record?

Would TT have drafted Pat Tillman? He was arrested for assault after getting in a bar fight and putting the guy in the hospital. He was a real bad apple, wasn't he?

Don't you wish all Packers could be like Brett Favre? Oh, I almost forgot, HE WAS RUN OUT OF THE FALCONS ORGANIZATION FOR IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. But he has turned out ok.

A second or third round pick isn't that big of a risk to take on someone so talented. It isn't like he is Lawrence Phillips either. He isn't constantly in trouble. I have yet to hear of him even being in trouble with the law. He got in a fight that was started by the opposing team. Not one of us would have sit back and let our friend get wailed on. It's the same thing with Carmelo Anthony, so they made a mistake, that doesn't make them a bad person. As much as I hate to bring race into it, don't you think that is a big reason why these two young men are so demonized? Had they been white, do you think the character issue would be any where near as big of a deal? Judging from the Pat Tillman case, no I don't think it would.

GB12
01-08-2007, 04:24 PM
I have to say I don't like many of the things I have seen in the past 10 or so posts. The one sticking out is the most is WR in round 1. First of all the only WRs I would want in the first are CJ or Jarret. CJ will definately be gone and I am pretty certain that Jareet will too. Then there is the fact that he would be a #3. With the depth of WR we could pick up a quality player in round 2.

OK now Sterling saying Lynch will be there at our second, No ******* way.
I find that while your posts are long most don't have a point and when they do its not a very good one. You're bringing up things that don't make any sense. Now I'm not trying to insult you I just have no idea where you're coming from.

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 04:37 PM
With all the young guys declaring that go high, that means there are going to have to be some great ones that slide to #16.

Teddy ballgame will have tons of options. He could very likely trade down and accumulate more picks.

Just because Meriweather doesn't fit your idea of a choir-boy Green Bay type doesn't mean he won't be drafted by Thompson. We have plenty of guys who have been arrested. You don't think Ray Lewis would have been a good Packer over the past 8 years?

Meriweather can play the position well. The one thing I do agree with you on is that he won't be there in Rd 3 for us. He's way too good for that.


God Damn it you are thick skulled and idiotic. How many times do I have to tell you that Thompson does not draft people with character issues. Since you love going back into drafts, go back into every single draft run by TT and show me a single head case. Your posts get more and more annoying by the day. Who the hell cares what you think the Packers should do. Your philosophy clearly is not the same as TT and at the end of the it is TT making the decisions not you.

And you are naive. I have said this before, and I will say it again. FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS!!! His job is to put together a team that can win games. He will talk about wanting Packer people, but all that is is lip service.

You, my friend, seem to be the thick skulled and idiotic one. Let's look at a few of the people signed by TT this past offseason. Ahman Green-convicted of domestic violence. Najeh Davenport-HE DROPPED A DEUCE IN AN EX GIRLFRIENDS DORM ROOM AFTER BREAKING AND ENTERING. Koren Robinson-Multiple DUI offender. Am I missing anyone with a record?

Would TT have drafted Pat Tillman? He was arrested for assault after getting in a bar fight and putting the guy in the hospital. He was a real bad apple, wasn't he?

Don't you wish all Packers could be like Brett Favre? Oh, I almost forgot, HE WAS RUN OUT OF THE FALCONS ORGANIZATION FOR IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. But he has turned out ok.

A second or third round pick isn't that big of a risk to take on someone so talented. It isn't like he is Lawrence Phillips either. He isn't constantly in trouble. I have yet to hear of him even being in trouble with the law. He got in a fight that was started by the opposing team. Not one of us would have sit back and let our friend get wailed on. It's the same thing with Carmelo Anthony, so they made a mistake, that doesn't make them a bad person. As much as I hate to bring race into it, don't you think that is a big reason why these two young men are so demonized? Had they been white, do you think the character issue would be any where near as big of a deal? Judging from the Pat Tillman case, no I don't think it would.
Tillman also was a model citizen. Graduated early, graduated with a 3.8 gpa. Volunteered at schools and boys and girls club to speak. Meri wont ******* be there at our third round pick so this discussion is meaningless. Carmelo is a little *****, he did stand up for someone but he threw a punch that would have got him beat up by his own teammates if he played hockey. Green has gotten past his problems, Najeh wasn't a TT person so he is gone. Koren has shown that he wants to fix his problem.

70challenger457
01-08-2007, 04:53 PM
I find it hard to say Green is some wort of thug some of you guys are trying to make him out to be. He had a fight with his wife, other than that, he is a total 100% packer person. He plays hard, practices hard, doesn't complain, doesn't run his mouth, never gets in shoving matches, wants to stay in Green Bay. Pat Tillman, the dudes a mad man and from what I've read, he was standing up for someone close to him. I have read nothing positive about Merriwether's character or anything like that. There's a reason why it was two florida teams that got in a fight.

jpapa4490
01-08-2007, 04:55 PM
This talk about packer people is ********. Honestly, all of you are ripping on this guy for thinking we should draft merriweather. who cares. Nuthin is gonna change that. For all we kno we might take him in the 2nd. TT takes BPA. And merriweather has talent and no one can deny that. KO-RO is not a packer person by anyones definition and yet TT signed him. Why is that? Cuz he wants to have a winning team and he will do wutever he has to and thats the bottom line.

Empire
01-08-2007, 05:00 PM
The more you post Sterling the more I get annoyed.
You have no knowledge of the Packers what so ever. This is to you and whoever supports his idiotic points.

TT was never the GM in Seattle. He was the Vice President of Football Operations in Seattle. He was a glorified talent evaluator and a good one at that, but nothing more. The GM of the team had the final say in the drafts. He has been respected because of how he has been able to find talent in drafts. He has never had the final say in draft matters until coming to Green Bay.

From 1999-2002 Holmgren was the GM NOT Thompson. Holmgren had the final say in his drafts NOT TT.

And before you open your mouth one more Sterling, I Would like to throw a quote at you which will get you to shut the hell up.

The foundation for the new direction of the Green Bay Packers will be constructed with three key components of obtaining "Packer people," creating "stable structure" and concentrating on "character and chemistry."

—Mike McCarthy

"It’s important that we get the right kind of person. The longer I’m in this, the more I’m convinced that character is overriding. Someone even if he’s talented, if he’s not the right fit for our place, then it’s not the right fit. And I believe that in my heart."

—Ted Thompson

I dare you to find one Packer he has drafted that has had poor character. That's right from the lion's mouth so shutup.

GB12
01-08-2007, 05:02 PM
It's not the "Packer Person" thing that I don't want him. It's because it is too early to take him in round two and will be gone by our next pick in round 3.

Empire
01-08-2007, 05:07 PM
It's not the "Packer Person" thing that I don't want him. It's because it is too early to take him in round two and will be gone by our next pick in round 3.

That was directed at Sterling and those claiming that TT does not care about character. His posts just make me angry because so they are so ignorant.

GB12
01-08-2007, 05:10 PM
It's not the "Packer Person" thing that I don't want him. It's because it is too early to take him in round two and will be gone by our next pick in round 3.

That was directed at Sterling and those claiming that TT does not care about character. His posts just make me angry because so they are so ignorant.

I was responding to jpapa4490. I agree with you with most of what you said. If he is there in round three I think that it would be a risk worth taking.

Windy
01-08-2007, 05:14 PM
check out john clayton's inside the huddle report

he said the packers might be interested in trading for rex grossman if indeed the bears draft a qb or sign a big times.

yea thats what my sources tell me love me or hate me but i got the inside scoops if you know what i mean. lets be fair here k, i know stuff and i know whats up in the rumors and the truths of the rumors.

Windy
01-08-2007, 05:22 PM
yea as long as they size him up all right

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 05:41 PM
OK now Sterling saying Lynch will be there at our second, No *********** way.
I find that while your posts are long most don't have a point and when they do its not a very good one. You're bringing up things that don't make any sense. Now I'm not trying to insult you I just have no idea where you're coming from.

No offense GB12,
but where I was coming from is that I have watched the draft a lot since the early 80's, and let me tell you, between January and D-day in April, THINGS CHANGE dramatically. Every year some guys fly up and some plummett. Last year in March and April I remember many mocks with guys as late 1st Rd picks, that come the real draft they went 3rd and 4th Rd.
I remember Clinton Portis was a stud and should go in the middle of the first round. He ended up middle of the second.

Who knows if it's Marshawn this time. We got Rodgers who slipped 20 spots in two weeks.

You never know.... NEVER NEVER know.....

GB12
01-08-2007, 05:46 PM
OK now Sterling saying Lynch will be there at our second, No *********** way.
I find that while your posts are long most don't have a point and when they do its not a very good one. You're bringing up things that don't make any sense. Now I'm not trying to insult you I just have no idea where you're coming from.

No offense GB12,
but where I was coming from is that I have watched the draft a lot since the early 80's, and let me tell you, between January and D-day in April, THINGS CHANGE dramatically. Every year some guys fly up and some plummett. Last year in March and April I remember many mocks with guys as late 1st Rd picks, that come the real draft they went 3rd and 4th Rd.
I remember Clinton Portis was a stud and should go in the middle of the first round. He ended up middle of the second.

Who knows if it's Marshawn this time. We got Rodgers who slipped 20 spots in two weeks.

You never know.... NEVER NEVER know.....

Well obviously things change, but at this point I don't see how you can say he will be there at the 48th pick. Maybe after the combine if he had a terrible one you could say that, but even then I doubt he would fall that far.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 05:53 PM
It's not the "Packer Person" thing that I don't want him. It's because it is too early to take him in round two and will be gone by our next pick in round 3.

That was directed at Sterling and those claiming that TT does not care about character. His posts just make me angry because so they are so ignorant.

Empire,
was that quote from before TED THOMPSON signed Koren Robinson in September, or did they make that "QUOTE" after they were the team that signed him after he was arrested for driving drunk and fleeing police at speeds in excess of 100MPH from the Twin Cities down to Mankato? Have you ever had a loved one killed by a drunk driver?

have you ever heard the term LIP SERVICE, or WINDOW DRESSING, how about SMOKE SCREENS. look it up and you might find a photo of Donald Rumsfield next to it.

Ted Thompson had the position in Seattle of recommending who to draft and Holmgren let TT run that part. Jerramy Stevens and Koren Robinson were two of Teddy's best picks, talent wise. Why do you think Robinson was signed by THE GREEN BAY PACKERS after his latest most embarassing and flagrant drunk episode? Thompson loves the guy and despite his character flaws, his talent is worth the risk.

KOREN ROBINSONThe former first-round draft pick has a long history with law enforcement in his native North Carolina, establishing a pattern that pre-dates his arrival in Seattle.

Charges dismissed by prosecutors since 1998 include first-degree kidnapping, attempted first-degree sex offense, discharge of a firearm in the city, carrying a concealed weapon, driving while license revoked, no operator's license, operating a vehicle with no insurance and failure to disperse on command.

Robinson was never convicted of any of these crimes, nor were any of the charges ever taken to trial.

The most serious of his arrests occurred in April of 1998. According to a North Carolina police report, Robinson was arrested on suspicion of "kidnapping a person under the age of 16 years, by unlawfully confining for the purpose of committing a felony, first-degree sex offense. (The victim) was not released in a safe place."

Police charged Robinson with an attempted first-degree sex offense, first-degree kidnapping and discharging a firearm in the city. Charges were dropped because, according to the report, police were "unable to locate the prosecuting witness."

WOW, sounds like a HELLUVA GUY that Thompson brought into the ORGANIZATION.

roughrider30
01-08-2007, 05:59 PM
If Merriweather is there in the 3rd TT WILL take him, but do u guys really think that we are the only team looking at Merriweather falling to us in the third? I think that there is little chance that he will fall that far. He is a first round talent. There is going to be a team that will take a chance with him in the middle to late second. People that think teams dont take chances on players that are talented but have problems are wrong. Heres an example.... TO how many teams have given him chances, and there is always a team that will take another chance on him. Do you guys really think that TT would pass on a good talent like Merriweather in the 3RD ROUND??? Like everyone else said if TT only goes after "Packer People" then why would we have player like Robinson and Woodson?

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 06:16 PM
If Merriweather is there in the 3rd TT WILL take him, but do u guys really think that we are the only team looking at Merriweather falling to us in the third? I think that there is little chance that he will fall that far. He is a first round talent. There is going to be a team that will take a chance with him in the middle to late second. People that think teams dont take chances on players that are talented but have problems are wrong. Heres an example.... TO how many teams have given him chances, and there is always a team that will take another chance on him. Do you guys really think that TT would pass on a good talent like Merriweather in the 3RD ROUND??? Like everyone else said if TT only goes after "Packer People" then why would we have player like Robinson and Woodson?

FACT, good facts.
"Packer People"?
What is that, meat-packers? Amway salesmen? Church directors?

jpapa4490
01-08-2007, 07:37 PM
TT will most likely trade down as well so we might just get that late second early 3rd round picks people are dwelling over to draft a guy like merrweather so its definetaly not out of the picture.

As for the Grossman rumor if he comes over here (well I'd rather just not go there)

jackalope
01-08-2007, 07:54 PM
we won't get Merriwether in the 3rd. if TT, would be willing to take him there, even with the character issues, i'm sure someone else will take him higher.

ny10804
01-08-2007, 08:01 PM
Ted will probably trade down 2 or 3 times, but I expect him to stay put with the 16th pick, cause he knows an impact player will be available. This draft looks like it will be very deep, at least for the first 2 rounds or so. In all likelihood, when we pick, two of the following will be available: Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarret, Marshawn Lynch, Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye, Michael Griffin, Darelle Revis, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Ted Ginn, or Dwayne Jarret (if he declares).

You'd have to figure that Quinn, Russell, Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Anderson, Alan Branch, Joe Thomas, and Gaines Adams will be long gone, and if Peterson declares, he will be gone as well. Point is, we're going to get a very good player if we stick with the 16th pick.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 08:50 PM
Ted will probably trade down 2 or 3 times, but I expect him to stay put with the 16th pick, cause he knows an impact player will be available. This draft looks like it will be very deep, at least for the first 2 rounds or so. In all likelihood, when we pick, two of the following will be available: Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarret, Marshawn Lynch, Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye, Michael Griffin, Darelle Revis, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Ted Ginn, or Dwayne Jarret (if he declares).

You'd have to figure that Quinn, Russell, Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Anderson, Alan Branch, Joe Thomas, and Gaines Adams will be long gone, and if Peterson declares, he will be gone as well. Point is, we're going to get a very good player if we stick with the 16th pick.

Thats true, and perhaps the guy or guys that Ted has targeted are all there at 16, and he very well could trade down to 20, 22, 25, to get an extra pick..... Anyone here have the TRADE VALUE CHART? This shows how much each pick is worth so we know what the value is instead of pulling sh*t outta our a*s I believe trading down from about 16 to 24 would net a late 3rd round pick.

jpapa4490
01-08-2007, 08:51 PM
Ted will probably trade down 2 or 3 times, but I expect him to stay put with the 16th pick, cause he knows an impact player will be available. This draft looks like it will be very deep, at least for the first 2 rounds or so. In all likelihood, when we pick, two of the following will be available: Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarret, Marshawn Lynch, Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye, Michael Griffin, Darelle Revis, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Ted Ginn, or Dwayne Jarret (if he declares).

You'd have to figure that Quinn, Russell, Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Anderson, Alan Branch, Joe Thomas, and Gaines Adams will be long gone, and if Peterson declares, he will be gone as well. Point is, we're going to get a very good player if we stick with the 16th pick.

You put jarret twice, just figured i wud point that out

GB12
01-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Ted will probably trade down 2 or 3 times, but I expect him to stay put with the 16th pick, cause he knows an impact player will be available. This draft looks like it will be very deep, at least for the first 2 rounds or so. In all likelihood, when we pick, two of the following will be available: Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarret, Marshawn Lynch, Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye, Michael Griffin, Darelle Revis, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Ted Ginn, or Dwayne Jarret (if he declares).

You'd have to figure that Quinn, Russell, Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Anderson, Alan Branch, Joe Thomas, and Gaines Adams will be long gone, and if Peterson declares, he will be gone as well. Point is, we're going to get a very good player if we stick with the 16th pick.

Thats true, and perhaps the guy or guys that Ted has targeted are all there at 16, and he very well could trade down to 20, 22, 25, to get an extra pick..... Anyone here have the TRADE VALUE CHART? This shows how much each pick is worth so we know what the value is instead of pulling sh*t outta our a*s I believe trading down from about 16 to 24 would net a late 3rd round pick.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html

It would give us the 2nd in the 3rd round, but who do you want at 24?

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 09:09 PM
GB12, we would get their #24, AND BOTH THEIR 2nd & 3rd rounder?
All to trade down 8 spots?

Let me check that... if that's the case, I'd do it in a heartbeat because Sidney Rice will probably be there at 24 still. So might Marshawn.

GB12
01-08-2007, 09:11 PM
GB12, we would get their #24, AND BOTH THEIR 2nd & 3rd rounder?
All to trade down 8 spots?

Let me check that... if that's the case, I'd do it in a heartbeat because Sidney Rice will probably be there at 24 still. So might Marshawn.

No, the second pick in round 3 sorry.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 09:17 PM
No the difference is 260 points, which is equal to their #24, and their 3rd and 4th

Our 16 pick is 1000 points

The 24th is 740
The 88th (3rd rd) is 150
The 120th (4th) is 54

We'd actually be able to get more than that since they really do stay real close to the charts and that would have us still needing some compensation still.... all for trading down 8 spots from 16 to 24, hypothetically.

We traded with NE this draft, so they could take Chad Jackson. They traded up, we traded down and got extra picks.
NE has 2 first rounders because they have Seattles from Deion Branch. But both of those teams won a playoff game so they look to both be in the 24-28 range. I think with NE having 2 picks there makes them more likely to trade one of them, IF IF IF IF a really good guy for them is there at #16. It's nice that we are in the other conference because it makes it easier to do bizness. And Teddy and their guy already worked a deal that I think both teams are happy with.

Let's make another deal. I wonder who NE would want.... I think they need a LB, and more WRs.... might they bite on a Ginn or Jarrett if they are there at #16 ????


Hey, I bet on Florida +7 1/2, and Florida is up 34-14 at half...looks pretty good.

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 09:20 PM
No the difference is 260 points, which is equal to their #24, and their 3rd and 4th

Our 16 pick is 1000 points

The 24th is 740
The 88th (3rd rd) is 150
The 120th (4th) is 54

We'd actually be able to get more than that since they really do stay real close to the charts and that would have us still needing some compensation still.... all for trading down 8 spots from 16 to 24, hypothetically.

We traded with NE this draft, so they could take Chad Jackson. They traded up, we traded down and got extra picks.
NE has 2 first rounders because they have Seattles from Deion Branch. But both of those teams won a playoff game so they look to both be in the 24-28 range. I think with NE having 2 picks there makes them more likely to trade one of them, IF IF IF IF a really good guy for them is there at #16. It's nice that we are in the other conference because it makes it easier to do bizness. And Teddy and their guy already worked a deal that I think both teams are happy with.

Let's make another deal. I wonder who NE would want.... I think they need a LB, and more WRs.... might they bite on a Ginn or Jarrett if they are there at #16 ????


Hey, I bet on Florida +7 1/2, and Florida is up 34-14 at half...looks pretty good.
i think it all depends on if TT has his mind set on a guy. And there still is another half to play, shame that Ginn went out. hopefully osu can pull out a miracle

ny10804
01-08-2007, 09:26 PM
If Ginn declares, I'm almost positive he'd be available at 16. As far as I'm concerned, he's extremely fast, has good hands, and is a playmaker. If he checks in at 6', I wouldn't mind TT taking him at all. But overall I'd prefer Rice, assuming he runs below a 4.45.

Empire
01-08-2007, 09:32 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing ******** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

Xiomera
01-08-2007, 09:35 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing *********** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

Wouldn't that hurt? :roll:

Empire
01-08-2007, 09:36 PM
Now for real Packer fans I was wondering about Ryne Robinson out of Miami(Ohio). I love this kid and think he would make a great kick/punt returner. I know TT tried to get Corey Rodgers for that role last year but Rodgers clearly was not the answer. I was wondering if TT might target Robinson.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 10:14 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing *********** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

That's because you are naive. I bet you're almost young enough to be my son, so believe me. I was all over two guys in the main forum the last 2 weeks telling them both Sidney Rice and Calvin Johnson would come out. One guy said he knew the Johnson family and that Calvin's mom had a PHD and made $150,000 and his dad was a superintendant or something and that he is there at GA Tech to get his degree, and that he would stay, he didn't need the money. The others on Rice said that HE said to his coaches and teammates in the hotel during the bowl game that he would return for 2007.
I told them that money changes everyone's mind almost, except Leinart because of the SO Cal, Playboy girls p*ssy that he couldn't walk away from. The power of the p*ssy always is a match for money. You might learn that too some day..

Anway, EMPIRE we didn't hear your explanation for Teddy drafting both Jerramy Stevens and Koren Robinson despite their criminal histories prior to being drafted, and Teddy doing it all over again by bringing Robinson to Green Bay even though he'd done more bad things since he drafted him. Please tell US ALL HERE what type of Packer Person that is, and Stevens... please enlighten us, simple. That's all we want to hear from you about this "Packer people" thing... go ahead, shoot.....I showed you some backgound history that proves Teddy is not like that, and YOU are the one here who said he'd NEVER bring in a guy like Meriweather, so YOU go ahead and explain Stevens and Robinson to us.....

TitleTown088
01-08-2007, 10:34 PM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7576/att63613dd5.jpg

I thought you guys might this...

4pAc
01-08-2007, 10:37 PM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7576/att63613dd5.jpg

I thought you guys might this... :lol: where the **** do you find these avatars!!! :x I want them too :(

TitleTown088
01-08-2007, 10:41 PM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7576/att63613dd5.jpg

I thought you guys might this... :lol: where the *********** do you find these avatars!!! :x I want them too :(
I just make em on image shack. Look at rex's face and KGB's it's too perfect. :lol:

GB12
01-08-2007, 10:41 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

lot's of interesting stats.

SterlingSharpe
01-08-2007, 10:55 PM
great link to the stats GB.

here's what stood out to me:
Safety Marquand Manuel led the team in missed tackles with 15. The Journal Sentinel began tallying misses in 1999. Manuel's total is the fewest for the team leader in that eight-year period.

Barnett was next in misses with 13, followed by Collins, Woodson and Brady Poppinga, nine; Hawk, seven; Al Harris and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, six; Kampman, five; Patrick Dendy, Corey Williams and Abdul Hodge, four; Colin Cole, three; and Ryan Pickett and Cullen Jenkins, two

and this:
Woodson and Barnett each was responsible for giving up eight plays of 20 yards or more, a team high.

Next was Hawk with 7 1/2, followed by Harris with 5 1/2; Manuel, Collins, Dendy and Poppinga, five; AhmadCarroll, four; Kampman, 2 1/2; Gbaja-Biamila, 1 1/2; and Tyrone Culver, one.

The 5 1 /2 represented a low for Harris during his four years in Green Bay. It also was the fewest allowed by a Packers cornerback since Tyrone Williams yielded five in 2002.

The Packers gave up 60 gains of 20 yards or more, their second highest total in the last 11 years (the '04 defense allowed 81) and 14 more than in '05. Just seven of the 60 were runs, the fewest since 1999.

The most touchdown passes allowed were by Manuel with 5 1/2, the highest total by a safety in Green Bay since the statistic first was recorded in 1994. He was followed by Barnett with 4 1/2; Collins with four; Woodson with 3 1/2; Dendy with 2 1/2; Carroll with two; Harris with 1 1/2; Hodge with one; and Hawk with 1/2. Poppinga didn't allow any.

FOR AS MANY GOOD WRs that AL HARRIS COVERS EVERY GAME, for him to only have allowed 1 1/2 TD and just 5 1/2 plays of 20+yards. I remember the one TD was a short slant in against the best route runner in the NFL, Torry Holt. Understandable. I just wish Harris had caught the easy int in the flat that game which would have saved a TD and probably gone back for a TD. One more win.......

Jim Jim
01-08-2007, 11:12 PM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7576/att63613dd5.jpg

I thought you guys might this...

I wasn't trying, really!

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 11:26 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing *********** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

That's because you are naive. I bet you're almost young enough to be my son, so believe me. I was all over two guys in the main forum the last 2 weeks telling them both Sidney Rice and Calvin Johnson would come out. One guy said he knew the Johnson family and that Calvin's mom had a PHD and made $150,000 and his dad was a superintendant or something and that he is there at GA Tech to get his degree, and that he would stay, he didn't need the money. The others on Rice said that HE said to his coaches and teammates in the hotel during the bowl game that he would return for 2007.
I told them that money changes everyone's mind almost, except Leinart because of the SO Cal, Playboy girls p*ssy that he couldn't walk away from. The power of the p*ssy always is a match for money. You might learn that too some day..

Anway, EMPIRE we didn't hear your explanation for Teddy drafting both Jerramy Stevens and Koren Robinson despite their criminal histories prior to being drafted, and Teddy doing it all over again by bringing Robinson to Green Bay even though he'd done more bad things since he drafted him. Please tell US ALL HERE what type of Packer Person that is, and Stevens... please enlighten us, simple. That's all we want to hear from you about this "Packer people" thing... go ahead, shoot.....I showed you some backgound history that proves Teddy is not like that, and YOU are the one here who said he'd NEVER bring in a guy like Meriweather, so YOU go ahead and explain Stevens and Robinson to us.....
First off, we're all packer fans no reason to hate on each other. About Calvin coming out it was simple, whats the point of college? To get yourself a job and make the most money you can. He accomplished the point of college. As for the packer person, has TT drafted anyone as the Packer GM that has had character issues???

War TT drafting PACKER PEOPLE
War Meriweather not being there when the packers draft in the third round
War Badgers KILLING OSU @ the game tomorrow(i'll be in the student section)

TitleTown088
01-08-2007, 11:27 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing *********** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

That's because you are naive. I bet you're almost young enough to be my son, so believe me. I was all over two guys in the main forum the last 2 weeks telling them both Sidney Rice and Calvin Johnson would come out. One guy said he knew the Johnson family and that Calvin's mom had a PHD and made $150,000 and his dad was a superintendant or something and that he is there at GA Tech to get his degree, and that he would stay, he didn't need the money. The others on Rice said that HE said to his coaches and teammates in the hotel during the bowl game that he would return for 2007.
I told them that money changes everyone's mind almost, except Leinart because of the SO Cal, Playboy girls p*ssy that he couldn't walk away from. The power of the p*ssy always is a match for money. You might learn that too some day..

Anway, EMPIRE we didn't hear your explanation for Teddy drafting both Jerramy Stevens and Koren Robinson despite their criminal histories prior to being drafted, and Teddy doing it all over again by bringing Robinson to Green Bay even though he'd done more bad things since he drafted him. Please tell US ALL HERE what type of Packer Person that is, and Stevens... please enlighten us, simple. That's all we want to hear from you about this "Packer people" thing... go ahead, shoot.....I showed you some backgound history that proves Teddy is not like that, and YOU are the one here who said he'd NEVER bring in a guy like Meriweather, so YOU go ahead and explain Stevens and Robinson to us.....
First off, we're all packer fans no reason to hate on each other. About Calvin coming out it was simple, whats the point of college? To get yourself a job and make the most money you can. He accomplished the point of college. As for the packer person, has TT drafted anyone as the Packer GM that has had character issues???

War TT drafting PACKER PEOPLE
War Meriweather not being there when the packers draft in the third round
War Badgers KILLING OSU @ the game tomorrow(i'll be in the student section)

what does this "war" mean?

sweetness34
01-08-2007, 11:34 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 11:35 PM
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT the most annoying poster on this forum Sterling and you make me want to change teams. Many posters are already annoyed with you. You want to go suck Merriweathers dick you go ahead. TT will NOT DRAFT MERRIWEATHER WITH A SECOND ROUND PICK. Leave these forums, you contribute nothing *********** to these forums. I debunk all your previous statements so you stay with the only guy you have left. Go away you are a terrible poster.

I feel like screwing a nail into my head when I read your posts.

That's because you are naive. I bet you're almost young enough to be my son, so believe me. I was all over two guys in the main forum the last 2 weeks telling them both Sidney Rice and Calvin Johnson would come out. One guy said he knew the Johnson family and that Calvin's mom had a PHD and made $150,000 and his dad was a superintendant or something and that he is there at GA Tech to get his degree, and that he would stay, he didn't need the money. The others on Rice said that HE said to his coaches and teammates in the hotel during the bowl game that he would return for 2007.
I told them that money changes everyone's mind almost, except Leinart because of the SO Cal, Playboy girls p*ssy that he couldn't walk away from. The power of the p*ssy always is a match for money. You might learn that too some day..

Anway, EMPIRE we didn't hear your explanation for Teddy drafting both Jerramy Stevens and Koren Robinson despite their criminal histories prior to being drafted, and Teddy doing it all over again by bringing Robinson to Green Bay even though he'd done more bad things since he drafted him. Please tell US ALL HERE what type of Packer Person that is, and Stevens... please enlighten us, simple. That's all we want to hear from you about this "Packer people" thing... go ahead, shoot.....I showed you some backgound history that proves Teddy is not like that, and YOU are the one here who said he'd NEVER bring in a guy like Meriweather, so YOU go ahead and explain Stevens and Robinson to us.....
First off, we're all packer fans no reason to hate on each other. About Calvin coming out it was simple, whats the point of college? To get yourself a job and make the most money you can. He accomplished the point of college. As for the packer person, has TT drafted anyone as the Packer GM that has had character issues???

War TT drafting PACKER PEOPLE
War Meriweather not being there when the packers draft in the third round
War Badgers KILLING OSU @ the game tomorrow(i'll be in the student section)

what does this "war" mean?
You kinda have to listen to The Jim Rome show on the Radio but here is what it says on wikipeida...."War" - Years ago, while on a business trip to New Orleans, Rome became intrigued by the way fans of Auburn, in town for that year's Sugar Bowl and staying in his hotel, chanted the slogan "War Eagle" to each other in order to support their team. It has since become customary for Rome and his callers to recite the phrase "war-" followed by their favorite team, player, or other activity, to show their fondness of it.

Jim Jim
01-08-2007, 11:36 PM
Chad Clifton wanted to take the picture, by the way.

I believe Favre will come back, because I think he enjoys having Teddy and Mike want him back. He knows the team will compete next year and I think he'll give it one more shot.

GB12
01-08-2007, 11:36 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

sik wit it
01-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.
I think he'll realize he still can play the game and if he retires now he'll prolly regret it in the future. I'm sure he's heard the advice to play while you still can. Favre comes back and the Pack attack give the bears a run for their money.

sweetness34
01-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

GB12
01-08-2007, 11:46 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

sweetness34
01-08-2007, 11:55 PM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.

And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

GB12
01-09-2007, 12:00 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go Easy to say when you havent experienced this, not so easy after you have. I used to think the same kind of thing.. b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.

And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ). I know but Playoffs very possible

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP3 of them, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe 7 short. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years yes
-It'd make you a worse team next year no
-He will no longer haunt my dreams yes
.

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 12:00 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

sweetness34
01-09-2007, 12:07 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

Hmmm, I think Rex has Pro Bowl talent and I agree that he'll never be Favre, which is why I said it was hypothetical, but if Rex ever fulfills his potential, I'm quite positive he can be half the QB Favre is. Favre was great, but Rexy has a shot to be damn good. I don't think he'll ever be great, but I do think in time he'll be pretty damn good.

Btw, no offense taken. I understand how much Favre means to you cheeseheads and I know it's hard for you to let him go, but from a football fan POV I think he needs to retire. Plus with the way he acted after the game in Chicago, I think he's going to retire. Just a hunch I guess.

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 12:11 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

Hmmm, I think Rex has Pro Bowl talent and I agree that he'll never be Favre, which is why I said it was hypothetical, but if Rex ever fulfills his potential, I'm quite positive he can be half the QB Favre is. Favre was great, but Rexy has a shot to be damn good. I don't think he'll ever be great, but I do think in time he'll be pretty damn good.

Btw, no offense taken. I understand how much Favre means to you cheeseheads and I know it's hard for you to let him go, but from a football fan POV I think he needs to retire. Plus with the way he acted after the game in Chicago, I think he's going to retire. Just a hunch I guess. Blasphemy!!!

sweetness34
01-09-2007, 12:15 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

Hmmm, I think Rex has Pro Bowl talent and I agree that he'll never be Favre, which is why I said it was hypothetical, but if Rex ever fulfills his potential, I'm quite positive he can be half the QB Favre is. Favre was great, but Rexy has a shot to be damn good. I don't think he'll ever be great, but I do think in time he'll be pretty damn good.

Btw, no offense taken. I understand how much Favre means to you cheeseheads and I know it's hard for you to let him go, but from a football fan POV I think he needs to retire. Plus with the way he acted after the game in Chicago, I think he's going to retire. Just a hunch I guess. Blasphemy!!!

We should take a poll in the NFL section to settle this. :D

sik wit it
01-09-2007, 12:17 AM
do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 12:19 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

Hmmm, I think Rex has Pro Bowl talent and I agree that he'll never be Favre, which is why I said it was hypothetical, but if Rex ever fulfills his potential, I'm quite positive he can be half the QB Favre is. Favre was great, but Rexy has a shot to be damn good. I don't think he'll ever be great, but I do think in time he'll be pretty damn good.

Btw, no offense taken. I understand how much Favre means to you cheeseheads and I know it's hard for you to let him go, but from a football fan POV I think he needs to retire. Plus with the way he acted after the game in Chicago, I think he's going to retire. Just a hunch I guess. Blasphemy!!!

We should take a poll in the NFL section to settle this. :D

Lot's of people in there will just simply vote yes because they have heard so many others say it. If you listened to alot of " experts" this season many said he defiently still has what it takes to play at a hight level in the NFL.

sweetness34
01-09-2007, 12:24 AM
Gut feeling on Favre?

I say he's gone (as a breath a sigh of relief :lol:). The way he cried in the interview, the fact he said the preparation is very hard to do anymore, and the fact that he took a picture with his OL after the game leans me that way.

I think he still want's to play though. obviously that is the biggests thing that he has ever done that would suggest it's the end. When he thinks about it I am still thinking one more. (Although that is probably all just wishful thinking. :lol: :cry: )

Oh I do to, plus there's no doubt that he can play at a high level. But it's a lot more than just the game I think. It's the work during the season and his two girls I think will sway him the other way as well. No doubt they'll be a solid team next year if he comes back, but what's the aftermath of Favre like? Because Aaron will be entering his 4th year as a pro if Favre comes back next year, and you did draft him as your future QB.

He has said that he still loves the games but the practices are getting tireing after so many seasons. As for Rodgers, yes he would be sitting on the bench for his 5th year but I speak for most Packer fans when I say I would rather slowdown our future one more year and watch a legend.

Hmmm...I think I'd be on the other side of the fence. Favre should go out on a high note. Going what .500 this season and bitching slapping my Bears in Chicago. That's why I hated it when MJ kept coming back. Go out on top. And as tough as Favre is I fear that if he tries another year he might get injured.

I love Rex Grossman, he's my favorite player; and if he has a career like Favre when it's all said and done, and the Bears are in the same situation as you are right now in about 10 years (a middle of the pack NFC team), and if we had a young QB behind Rex, I'd want Rex to go b/c I want what's best for the organization, and that is to see what you've got in your future QB.
And from the looks of it, GB won't be making a SB run next year (just a hunch :wink: ).

But hey that's me. As both a Bear fan and a football fan, I'd like to see him hang em up. He's won an MVP, he's won a SB, and he's set the all time TD record I believe. Go out on top my friend.

As a Bear fan:

-He's killed us for the past 10-15 years
-It'd make you a worse team next year
-He will no longer haunt my dreams

As a football fan:

-He should go out on top
-Do what's best for the organization
-Health next season and for the rest of his life
-What more does he have to prove

That's my POV on this one.

no offense, honestly, but Rex grossman won't amount to half the football player Brett Favre is. The guy is a living legend. I think he could come back next year just because the packers MIGHT have a pretty solid team depending on what TT does it FA. All in all it just comes down to if Favre has another year left in him or not. going out after a 8-8 season isn't going out on top, it's being blueballed because you came so close to the playoffs. BTW he dosen't have the all time TD record yet.

Hmmm, I think Rex has Pro Bowl talent and I agree that he'll never be Favre, which is why I said it was hypothetical, but if Rex ever fulfills his potential, I'm quite positive he can be half the QB Favre is. Favre was great, but Rexy has a shot to be damn good. I don't think he'll ever be great, but I do think in time he'll be pretty damn good.

Btw, no offense taken. I understand how much Favre means to you cheeseheads and I know it's hard for you to let him go, but from a football fan POV I think he needs to retire. Plus with the way he acted after the game in Chicago, I think he's going to retire. Just a hunch I guess. Blasphemy!!!

We should take a poll in the NFL section to settle this. :D

Lot's of people in there will just simply vote yes because they have heard so many others say it. If you listened to alot of " experts" this season many said he defiently still has what it takes to play at a hight level in the NFL.

It's about more than just football my friend. I can guarantee you that. He knows he can still play, but that's not going to be his final decision. There's a lot more weighing in on his comeback, and he said that in his postgame interview with Kramer.

umphrey
01-09-2007, 12:46 AM
Just to clarify on Rodgers (I believe a few posters said he would be in his 4th or 5th season next year) we have only had him for 2 years now, next year will be his 3rd.

I hope Favre retires personally because I think it is better for the organization. Sure, we get to watch him play another year, but it would really seem like a year in limbo for us. I think we are pretty much done rebuilding because we have all the pieces in place. Now all it takes is for us to let the team grow together and add a few non-critical pieces (RB, TE, SS, maybe OLB, nickel CB). Packers playoffs 08 if Favre retires now, later if he sticks around.

sweetness34
01-09-2007, 12:49 AM
Just to clarify on Rodgers (I believe a few posters said he would be in his 4th or 5th season next year) we have only had him for 2 years now, next year will be his 3rd.

I hope Favre retires personally because I think it is better for the organization. Sure, we get to watch him play another year, but it would really seem like a year in limbo for us. I think we are pretty much done rebuilding because we have all the pieces in place. Now all it takes is for us to let the team grow together and add a few non-critical pieces (RB, TE, SS, maybe OLB, nickel CB). Packers playoffs 08 if Favre retires now, later if he sticks around.

We're talking about the season after next....08-09 season. And that would be his fourth season.

Nitschke-Hawk
01-09-2007, 11:20 AM
Here's my opinion (below) which I posted in the NFL Forum, not to say that players look at schedules to decide whether to come back but I used it just to put everything in perspective as far as the team with him. It's not like we're playing the Chargers, Ravens, Colts, Patriots, Saints, Bears and every other playoff team each week, I'd say the schedule is medium difficulty. It's good to know that we have probably the 3 best teams on the schedule, Chargers, Bears and Eagles, at home, I know we weren't good at home this year, but it will make life a bit easier on the road, and we can only get better at home. Imagine if we had Philly and SD on the road instead of STL and KC, that would give me nightmares.
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If he comes back and we have a consistent 2nd option we could easily make the playoffs, I think Brett will think hard about that. We're gonna need two consistent options to win games and 3 to beat the good teams. He's gotta have three guys to rely on in the passing game for us to be real threats. And they don't have to be the All Pro caliber players some of you are probably thinking of, they just have to be good enough to win games. I think a healthy and more experienced Greg Jennings will be the second one. Let's not forget he was on pace for over 1,000 yards the first half of the year, so we need to see him finish. Sweetness pointed out the tougher schedule which in fact is the case, but I don't think it's that much tougher, I think we could go 6-2 at home and split the road games and be 10-6 and make the playoffs or even go 9-7 and have a shot. If our defense plays like it did the last part of the season we can be in every game and I believe it has the potential of doing it it's just a matter of showing it on the field.

Green Bay Packers 2007 Opponents
Home: Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Carolina Panthers, Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers

Away: Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, St. Louis Rams, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs.
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Looking at the schedule there's a few things to notice, yeah we're in the NFC North, the Bears are no guarantee to be great, we're better than the Vikings and Lions. Home: We finally got the Eagles at home, the Panthers appear to be lacking a lot on offense, Raiders suck, Redskins can't figure out what to do with all that talent, who knows what the Chargers will look like if they make the Super Bowl with the recent history of Super Bowl Teams the following year. I don't know how the Chiefs made the playoffs after that disgusting performance against the Colts, we're all starting to realize they're on the decline, Denver's no powerhouse, Giants, Cowboys(is T.O. Back ? is Parcells back, what will Romo look like?), and Rams (very dangerous offense, but defense?) are so inconsistent.

Don't get me wrong this schedule is very capable of being extremely tough and sending us out with a 6-10 record, but all in all the schedule screams of inconsistent teams. If we can just be consistent for the majority of the season we definitely should be in the playoffs. We'll need to go 4-2 or better in the division, snag 5 or 6 at home and split the road games.

I see six games where we're clearly the better than the team we're playing against: Detroit, Detroit, Minnesota, Minnesota, Washington, Oakland. When you beat the teams you're supposed to you have a shot, that's true in every sport about teams on the rise. There's 10 games left, all we gotta do is win 3 to be 9-7 and have a shot or 4 of those and we're at 10-6 and when's the last time a 10-6 didn't make it? Only 4 times in the last 16 years. By no means am I guaranteeing wins or making predictions, simply my optimistic but realistic (as of now) analysis of the schedule and basically saying that if Brett Favre wants to compete with this team, he really can.

johbur
01-09-2007, 12:09 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

Great jsonline break down. Review:

+Aaron Kampman broke Ezra Johnson's club tackle record.
+Charles Woodson had the most picks since Mark Lee in 1986 and most turnovers created nice LeRoy Butler (anyone not miss him?) in 1993.
+AJ Hawk lead the team with 155 tackles, 14 more than Barnett.
+Ryan Pickett lead the team in tackles per snap, at 1/7 plays.
+Kampman had 55 pressures, which is 13 more than Reggie White had in 1998. Kampman also lead the defense at 93.7% of snaps played, twenty percentage points more than the next guy, KGB.
+Nick Barnett lead in tackles for loss with 5.5.
-Marquand Manuel lead the team in missed tackles at 15. Bad, but the fewest missed tackles by the team leader in missed tackles since jsonline started tracking that stat. Pickett and Jenkins had two for a tie for fewest missed tackles.
-Woodson and Barnett each gave up eight plays of 20 yards or more, a team high.
-Manuel lead in TDs given up at 5.5. C-Wood gave up 3.5, Harris 1.5. Hawk gave up .5 and Poppinga gave up Zero. (who knew?)

+Colledge gave up no sacks at OG, and only the 2 to J. Taylor at LT when he filled in there. Wells gave up .5, Tausher gave up 1, Clifton gave up 2, and Moll gave up 4. Franks gave up 3. Unit down 5.5 sacks from last year, even with 3 rookies starting at times!
+Unit down ten pressures from last year. The three rookies lead the way in pressures given up, with Tausher giving up only 9.5 pressures on the year.
+Collins, Cole and Pickett not penalized. Team lead was 6 by Clifton and Colledge, which was still Clifton's lowest total in the past four years.
-Packers dropped 43 passes, most since 2002. Green had the worst drop rate of 8/63. TEs dropped 14/110 or around 12%. Come to GB Tony G.!!!
-Favre threw two TDs to a TE, and none after week 7. Repeat: Come to GB Tony G.!!!
+Herron dropped 1/35, Driver had a career low at 6/170, and rookie Greg Jennings only dropped 5/103.
-Favre responsible for 14 of his picks, which lead to 41 points, though that was half the total from last year. 11 of the 18 picks came with GB trailing and 13 were in the second half.

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 03:22 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

Great jsonline break down. Review:

+Aaron Kampman broke Ezra Johnson's club tackle record.
+Charles Woodson had the most picks since Mark Lee in 1986 and most turnovers created nice LeRoy Butler (anyone not miss him?) in 1993.
+AJ Hawk lead the team with 155 tackles, 14 more than Barnett.
+Ryan Pickett lead the team in tackles per snap, at 1/7 plays.
+Kampman had 55 pressures, which is 13 more than Reggie White had in 1998. Kampman also lead the defense at 93.7% of snaps played, twenty percentage points more than the next guy, KGB.
+Nick Barnett lead in tackles for loss with 5.5.
-Marquand Manuel lead the team in missed tackles at 15. Bad, but the fewest missed tackles by the team leader in missed tackles since jsonline started tracking that stat. Pickett and Jenkins had two for a tie for fewest missed tackles.
-Woodson and Barnett each gave up eight plays of 20 yards or more, a team high.
-Manuel lead in TDs given up at 5.5. C-Wood gave up 3.5, Harris 1.5. Hawk gave up .5 and Poppinga gave up Zero. (who knew?)

+Colledge gave up no sacks at OG, and only the 2 to J. Taylor at LT when he filled in there. Wells gave up .5, Tausher gave up 1, Clifton gave up 2, and Moll gave up 4. Franks gave up 3. Unit down 5.5 sacks from last year, even with 3 rookies starting at times!
+Unit down ten pressures from last year. The three rookies lead the way in pressures given up, with Tausher giving up only 9.5 pressures on the year.
+Collins, Cole and Pickett not penalized. Team lead was 6 by Clifton and Colledge, which was still Clifton's lowest total in the past four years.
-Packers dropped 43 passes, most since 2002. Green had the worst drop rate of 8/63. TEs dropped 14/110 or around 12%. Come to GB Tony G.!!!
-Favre threw two TDs to a TE, and none after week 7. Repeat: Come to GB Tony G.!!!
+Herron dropped 1/35, Driver had a career low at 6/170, and rookie Greg Jennings only dropped 5/103.
-Favre responsible for 14 of his picks, which lead to 41 points, though that was half the total from last year. 11 of the 18 picks came with GB trailing and 13 were in the second half.

I don't think tony G would come if Favre retires.

01-09-2007, 04:00 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

Great jsonline break down. Review:

+Aaron Kampman broke Ezra Johnson's club tackle record.
+Charles Woodson had the most picks since Mark Lee in 1986 and most turnovers created nice LeRoy Butler (anyone not miss him?) in 1993.
+AJ Hawk lead the team with 155 tackles, 14 more than Barnett.
+Ryan Pickett lead the team in tackles per snap, at 1/7 plays.
+Kampman had 55 pressures, which is 13 more than Reggie White had in 1998. Kampman also lead the defense at 93.7% of snaps played, twenty percentage points more than the next guy, KGB.
+Nick Barnett lead in tackles for loss with 5.5.
-Marquand Manuel lead the team in missed tackles at 15. Bad, but the fewest missed tackles by the team leader in missed tackles since jsonline started tracking that stat. Pickett and Jenkins had two for a tie for fewest missed tackles.
-Woodson and Barnett each gave up eight plays of 20 yards or more, a team high.
-Manuel lead in TDs given up at 5.5. C-Wood gave up 3.5, Harris 1.5. Hawk gave up .5 and Poppinga gave up Zero. (who knew?)

+Colledge gave up no sacks at OG, and only the 2 to J. Taylor at LT when he filled in there. Wells gave up .5, Tausher gave up 1, Clifton gave up 2, and Moll gave up 4. Franks gave up 3. Unit down 5.5 sacks from last year, even with 3 rookies starting at times!
+Unit down ten pressures from last year. The three rookies lead the way in pressures given up, with Tausher giving up only 9.5 pressures on the year.
+Collins, Cole and Pickett not penalized. Team lead was 6 by Clifton and Colledge, which was still Clifton's lowest total in the past four years.
-Packers dropped 43 passes, most since 2002. Green had the worst drop rate of 8/63. TEs dropped 14/110 or around 12%. Come to GB Tony G.!!!
-Favre threw two TDs to a TE, and none after week 7. Repeat: Come to GB Tony G.!!!
+Herron dropped 1/35, Driver had a career low at 6/170, and rookie Greg Jennings only dropped 5/103.
-Favre responsible for 14 of his picks, which lead to 41 points, though that was half the total from last year. 11 of the 18 picks came with GB trailing and 13 were in the second half.Nice find, it was an interesting read

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 04:39 PM
The things that stood out to me the most is the FEW AMOUNT of TDs and big plays that brother AL HARRIS allowed. All year.

Every week he took the team's #1 WR. Every week. Talk about being isolated on an island.
He only allowed 1 1/d TD it said. I remember one to Torry Holt on a short slant in, very hard to defend. I thought he allowed one in Philly too, but must have been a combo blame.....

Harris needs to get his deal reworked now while we have tons of cap space. If he HASNT ourperformed his deal, nobody has.

GB12
01-09-2007, 04:42 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

Great jsonline break down. Review:

+Aaron Kampman broke Ezra Johnson's club tackle record.
+Charles Woodson had the most picks since Mark Lee in 1986 and most turnovers created nice LeRoy Butler (anyone not miss him?) in 1993.
+AJ Hawk lead the team with 155 tackles, 14 more than Barnett.
+Ryan Pickett lead the team in tackles per snap, at 1/7 plays.
+Kampman had 55 pressures, which is 13 more than Reggie White had in 1998. Kampman also lead the defense at 93.7% of snaps played, twenty percentage points more than the next guy, KGB.
+Nick Barnett lead in tackles for loss with 5.5.
-Marquand Manuel lead the team in missed tackles at 15. Bad, but the fewest missed tackles by the team leader in missed tackles since jsonline started tracking that stat. Pickett and Jenkins had two for a tie for fewest missed tackles.
-Woodson and Barnett each gave up eight plays of 20 yards or more, a team high.
-Manuel lead in TDs given up at 5.5. C-Wood gave up 3.5, Harris 1.5. Hawk gave up .5 and Poppinga gave up Zero. (who knew?)

+Colledge gave up no sacks at OG, and only the 2 to J. Taylor at LT when he filled in there. Wells gave up .5, Tausher gave up 1, Clifton gave up 2, and Moll gave up 4. Franks gave up 3. Unit down 5.5 sacks from last year, even with 3 rookies starting at times!
+Unit down ten pressures from last year. The three rookies lead the way in pressures given up, with Tausher giving up only 9.5 pressures on the year.
+Collins, Cole and Pickett not penalized. Team lead was 6 by Clifton and Colledge, which was still Clifton's lowest total in the past four years.
-Packers dropped 43 passes, most since 2002. Green had the worst drop rate of 8/63. TEs dropped 14/110 or around 12%. Come to GB Tony G.!!!
-Favre threw two TDs to a TE, and none after week 7. Repeat: Come to GB Tony G.!!!
+Herron dropped 1/35, Driver had a career low at 6/170, and rookie Greg Jennings only dropped 5/103.
-Favre responsible for 14 of his picks, which lead to 41 points, though that was half the total from last year. 11 of the 18 picks came with GB trailing and 13 were in the second half.Nice find, it was an interesting read

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550348

lot's of interesting stats.

:( just ignore me then.

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 05:48 PM
I'm still waiting for some answers here from you guys. Please PM me if you have any answers, or if you encounter the same problem.

Out of all the threads here, NFL, NFL Draft, Mock Draft, etc. I can click on the MOST RECENT post, or most recent PAGE, and it takes me there.
But on our PACKERS one, I never can get to the most recent post. It always tells me NO TOPICS EXIST FOR THIS POST or something like that.

I never see this in any other thread, or on any other website with message boards like this.

ANY ANSWERS for me?

EDIT: This is what it says: No posts exist for this topic
It happened now again, as always. I couldn't even directly click to this post....had to click page 69, not 70, and then scroll down. I am new here, what's this issue?

GB12
01-09-2007, 05:52 PM
It happens on the bigger threads. Didn't used to until a couple months ago. Not even the mods know why.

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 06:54 PM
It happens on the bigger threads. Didn't used to until a couple months ago. Not even the mods know why.it's quite iritating

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 06:55 PM
It happens on the bigger threads. Didn't used to until a couple months ago. Not even the mods know why.it's quite iritating

It sure is.

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Giants Eyeing Green & Turner --
Tue Jan 9, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Star Ledger reports early indications are the Giants will be interested in Packers RB Ahman Green, who will be an unrestricted free agent. Green turns 30 next month. There's also a chance the Giants will pursue Chargers backup RB Michael Turner, who rushed for 506 yards on 80 carries (6.3 average) this season behind RB LaDainian Tomlinson. Turner, who turns 25 next month, will be a restricted free agent, so the Giants would be forced to cough up a draft pick to sign him. They could also work out a trade with San Diego.

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 07:11 PM
Giants Eyeing Green & Turner --
Tue Jan 9, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Star Ledger reports early indications are the Giants will be interested in Packers RB Ahman Green, who will be an unrestricted free agent. Green turns 30 next month. There's also a chance the Giants will pursue Chargers backup RB Michael Turner, who rushed for 506 yards on 80 carries (6.3 average) this season behind RB LaDainian Tomlinson. Turner, who turns 25 next month, will be a restricted free agent, so the Giants would be forced to cough up a draft pick to sign him. They could also work out a trade with San Diego.
Green has said that he wants to come back to Green Bay and I'm confident that he will.

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 07:38 PM
usually i don't believe what they SAY, but in this case i believe it.
ahman green is NOT a new york type of guy.
he's from omaha, loves small town life.... he won't go there.

TitleTown088
01-09-2007, 08:08 PM
Giants Eyeing Green & Turner --
Tue Jan 9, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Star Ledger reports early indications are the Giants will be interested in Packers RB Ahman Green, who will be an unrestricted free agent. Green turns 30 next month. There's also a chance the Giants will pursue Chargers backup RB Michael Turner, who rushed for 506 yards on 80 carries (6.3 average) this season behind RB LaDainian Tomlinson. Turner, who turns 25 next month, will be a restricted free agent, so the Giants would be forced to cough up a draft pick to sign him. They could also work out a trade with San Diego.
Green has said that he wants to come back to Green Bay and I'm confident that he will.

i hope so.

ny10804
01-09-2007, 08:13 PM
I remember Ahman talking about how when he was a kid, he had a favorite player (I forget who it was) who switched teams, and it kind of tarnished his view of that person. So, he promised he wouldn't switch teams after he became a star in GB, because he didn't want his fans to have to experience what he did...

Who knows, maybe it was just PR, but I take his word...

Nitschke-Hawk
01-09-2007, 08:19 PM
I take Ahman's word too, I know he wants to be a Packer he's said it for a long time, he takes great pride in being a Packer and if the front office truly wants him they'll agree on a deal and he'll be here. He's not dumb enough to ask for top 5 runningback money. I think the deal will have good amount of guaranteed money due to how good he's been and still can be but with a lot of incentives. I wouldn't be surprised if he resigned right now, if it's even possible.

jackalope
01-09-2007, 08:41 PM
i think Green will stay, which is good, but i still want Lynch.

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 08:52 PM
Green has always been within my top 3 favorite packers

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 08:55 PM
who's AVATAR is better?

mine or 70 challenger?
believe me, i love his too.....

ny10804
01-09-2007, 09:16 PM
who's AVATAR is better?

mine or 70 challenger?
believe me, i love his too.....

Hmm, two hot girls or a man whose most fitting description is 'flappy'?



Most mocks I see have us getting Lynch in the first and Dwayne Bowe in the second. If Cleveland (who will be picking 3rd or 4th) passes on Adrian Peterson in favor of Alan Branch, Calvin Johnson, Quinn, Russell, etc, it is highly probable that Lynch would be on the board when we pick. If they do take him, Houston (#8) may take Lynch. Other than that, well, I'll break it down:

1 Oakland Raiders -- word is that they are content w/ their RB situation
2 Detriot Lions -- Kevin Jones and Brian Calhoun
3 Cleveland Browns* -- Reuben Droughns
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Cadillac Williams
5 Arizona Cardinals -- Edgerrin James
6 Washington Redskins -- Portis/Betts
7 Minnesota Vikings -- Chester Taylor
8 Houston Texans* -- Dom Davis (Dom Williams...)
9 Miami Dolphins -- Ronnie Brown
10 Atlanta Falcons -- Dunn / Norwood
11 San Francisco -- Frank Gore
12 Buffalo Bills -- Willis McGahee
13 St. Louis Rams -- Steven Jackson
14 Carolina Panthers -- Foster/Deangelo Williams
15 Pittsburgh Steelers -- Willie Parker
16 Green Bay Packers

Who knows though...

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 09:24 PM
well A I don't see Lynch as a top 10 back but you never know, but with that said I don't think Atlanta will go after a RB and after that all those teams have great young talent and really no way they will draft an RB

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 09:31 PM
Packers top 3 draft needs
Everyone make your own
1. RB- Ahman has one solid season left and I think Lynch is a perfect fit, I want him.
2. S- Manuel, thats all I have to say
3. WR- We do not need to spend anything earlier than a low 2nd on this pick because it is primarily a backup were drafting

70challenger457
01-09-2007, 09:31 PM
who's AVATAR is better?

mine or 70 challenger?
believe me, i love his too.....I think that avy I sent you was the best

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 10:56 PM
who's AVATAR is better?

mine or 70 challenger?
believe me, i love his too.....I think that avy I sent you was the best

it was funnier, but i still like yours best. two lovely young ladies showing their love for one another.

anyway,

Packers top 5 draft needs
STERLING SHARPE analysis

1 TE- We have absolutely no consistency at this position, or production
2 SS- Manuel, although amazingly, he got better as the year went on
3 WR- While I like Jennings, Driver is not young and since it usually takes a WR 2-4 years to become Pro, taking a potential great WR in this very deep class would be brilliant. I love Sidney Rice and we could trade down from 16 to probably late 20's and still get him, plus obtain about an extra 3rd rd pick based on the trade value chart. That could be a very good RB or SS or TE....
4 RB- I still think Ahman is sensational and Morency is alright, but I agree a new one like a Lynch or Adrian Peterson COULD help now, but most likely not until 2008...
5 DE- a 3rd pass rush specialist.....kampman needs some rest and sometimes KGB can't get around the LT

A.J.Hawk
01-10-2007, 02:03 AM
who's AVATAR is better?

mine or 70 challenger?
believe me, i love his too.....I think that avy I sent you was the best

it was funnier, but i still like yours best. two lovely young ladies showing their love for one another.

anyway,

Packers top 5 draft needs
STERLING SHARPE analysis

1 TE- We have absolutely no consistency at this position, or production
2 SS- Manuel, although amazingly, he got better as the year went on
3 WR- While I like Jennings, Driver is not young and since it usually takes a WR 2-4 years to become Pro, taking a potential great WR in this very deep class would be brilliant. I love Sidney Rice and we could trade down from 16 to probably late 20's and still get him, plus obtain about an extra 3rd rd pick based on the trade value chart. That could be a very good RB or SS or TE....
4 RB- I still think Ahman is sensational and Morency is alright, but I agree a new one like a Lynch or Adrian Peterson COULD help now, but most likely not until 2008...
5 DE- a 3rd pass rush specialist.....kampman needs some rest and sometimes KGB can't get around the LT

My Top 5 1st Round Draft Needs:

1. RB- If a talent like Lynch is available, TT doesn't pass him up. I'm praying Peterson for some reason slips out of the top 10 but it's not likely. And Green is nowhere close to "sensational" anymore. He still fumbles in key situations and I believe he has one good year left. Morency is a good change-of-pace backup but his durability is a question mark.

2. WR- We desperately need someone who can stretch the field. Driver has 2 more good years left most likely and I'm tired of picking up mid-level WR prospects in later rounds. Jennings played good for the first 4 games this year, but after that he didn't do much. IMO Jennings is a #3. I'm not too big on Jarrett from USC, something about his character worries me, but a speedy WR like Ginn would fill the playmaker need on offense and kick returns.

3. DT- Pickett was a very nice FA pickup last year, Jenkins should be back splitting time between DT and DE, and I know we have guys like Corey Williams and Colin Cole who show they can play at this level. But if a DT like Alan Branch is still on the board, he could be a big-time impact player on the DL and impact the play of our LB's and the rest of the D-Line. I think they would have to consider drafting a player like Branch or LSU's Dorsey at 16, again if he were to be on the board at that time. I wouldn't mind seeing them trade down and picking up Okoye from Louisville either. The kid's only 19 and obviously his ceiling is extremely high.

4. S- A lot of people are assuming TT will bring in Ken Hamlin from Seattle, but I think he will draft a S to compete with Manuel before next season. At 16 it's possible that a player like Reggie Nelson will still be there. I'd rather have Landry from LSU but I think he'll wind up going in the top 10. Nick Collins came on strong at the end of the year, but Manuel is no guarantee and Underwood will be coming off an injury so I think at the very least they'll add depth to the position later in the draft if not the 1st round.

5. TE- Bubba Franks is done as a starting TE, I think that's obvious. I don't see any TEs that I would like taking at #16. Maybe if Lynch, Branch, etc. are off the board and we trade down I could see us taking a player like Olsen late in the first round. Other than that I think we'd have to either give a boat-load of money to Tony Gonzalez, or bring in another FA like Eric Johnson to fill the starting position for a year or two.