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RockJock07
03-17-2012, 01:33 AM
I'm really not in love with losing Wells. I wanna wait till after the draft and any other personnel moves before I freak out.

How many times since TT has been GM have we (including the media) spotted a guy that is believed to be available when the Packers pick only to either trade back or take a position where they are deep?

It seems to happen every year which leads me to believe that if there is a C that is to be rumored to be good fit probably wont happen.

mqtirishfan
03-17-2012, 01:39 AM
It kind of sucks that it had to be Wells leaving, considering all of our backup OL are tackles.

PackerLegend
03-17-2012, 08:01 AM
Mehh hate the fact we now have another need. There's quite a few holes on this team that need to be filled and we won't be able to likely get them all in the draft where the guy can come in and have an impact right away. Plus like mentioned above there's the fact TT could always just steer clear of a need and draft a player at an already deep position.

TitleTown088
03-17-2012, 10:53 AM
Mehh hate the fact we now have another need. There's quite a few holes on this team that need to be filled and we won't be able to likely get them all in the draft where the guy can come in and have an impact right away. Plus like mentioned above there's the fact TT could always just steer clear of a need and draft a player at an already deep position.


maybe not. Packers have shown interest in Wimbley. He may be too expensive though.

http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/03/16/12/Wimbley-has-pass-rush-skills-Packers-nee/landing_packers.html?blockID=689560&feedID=5196

SuperPacker
03-17-2012, 10:57 AM
maybe not. Packers have shown interest in Wimbley.

http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/03/16/12/Wimbley-has-pass-rush-skills-Packers-nee/landing_packers.html?blockID=689560&feedID=5196

Wimbley would be nice to have opposite Clay. I would still say drafting an OLB in the first 3 rounds would be a sensible move however.

cvv84
03-17-2012, 02:36 PM
It kind of sucks that it had to be Wells leaving, considering all of our backup OL are tackles.

It sucks but its going to be better in the long term. We need to get bigger along the offensive line and McCarthy finally admitted that fact. Wells is a solid player but he doesn't overwhelm defenders and is more of a technician. I'd love to see Lang shift to center and draft Brandon Brooks at #28.

TimmG6376
03-17-2012, 02:55 PM
I don't know that it shows that Thompson acknowledges anything other than he couldn't afford to pay $6mil/season for a C with all the other contracts coming up for extension. Probably means that EDS is the front runner barring they land a guy like Konz or Zeitler early. EDS is basically the same size as Wells. He may fair better at C than he did at OG.

A proven pass rusher like Wimbley would be sweet, but I too worry about his price tag. Hopefully the timing of his release means that the other pass rush needy teams don't have as much money left for the Packers to compete against.

SuperPacker
03-17-2012, 02:58 PM
I don't know that it shows that Thompson acknowledges anything other than he couldn't afford to pay $6mil/season for a C with all the other contracts coming up for extension. Probably means that EDS is the front runner barring they land a guy like Konz or Zeitler early. EDS is basically the same size as Wells. He may fair better at C than he did at OG.

A proven pass rusher like Wimbley would be sweet, but I too worry about his price tag. Hopefully the timing of his release means that the other pass rush needy teams don't have as much money left for the Packers to compete against.

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss157/Art-Girl71/Smileys%20and%20Gifs/06815355.gif

TimmG6376
03-17-2012, 03:14 PM
Yeah I know. Not what I'm hoping for, but I think it is the reality. Funny thing is that articles leading into FA speculated that Wells wanted close to $9mil/season and the Packers were thinking more around $6mil/season. Obviously there are things like length of contract and guaranteed money that factor in but it doesn't really seem like there was ever a chance he was coming back.

SuperPacker
03-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Yeah I know. Not what I'm hoping for, but I think it is the reality. Funny thing is that articles leading into FA speculated that Wells wanted close to $9mil/season and the Packers were thinking more around $6mil/season. Obviously there are things like length of contract and guaranteed money that factor in but it doesn't really seem like there was ever a chance he was coming back.

Yeah you're right, knowing TT we'll go into the season with EDS as C, he'll play well and we'll all think our GM is a genius again.

princefielder28
03-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Yeah I know. Not what I'm hoping for, but I think it is the reality. Funny thing is that articles leading into FA speculated that Wells wanted close to $9mil/season and the Packers were thinking more around $6mil/season. Obviously there are things like length of contract and guaranteed money that factor in but it doesn't really seem like there was ever a chance he was coming back.

the Packers were offering around 4.5 million annually, which is a complete slap in the face to Wells

SuperPacker
03-17-2012, 03:33 PM
the Packers were offering around 4.5 million annually, which is a complete slap in the face to Wells

:lol:

TT makes me laugh.

cvv84
03-17-2012, 05:17 PM
the Packers were offering around 4.5 million annually, which is a complete slap in the face to Wells

I don't know about that. Wells is a good player but not a great one. I'd have a hard time paying a center more than $5 million annually. It sucks to lose Wells but the biggest loss is going to be the line adjustments and familiarity with Rodgers. Wells was a bend but didn't break kind of player.

Pack_Attack_4
03-17-2012, 06:52 PM
Can Lang paly center?

TimmG6376
03-17-2012, 07:21 PM
Can Lang paly center?

I don't know if he's ever been tried there. Seeing some speculation that this could be an option. Still would just move the hole from C to LG; a position that Lang played pretty well last season.

SuperPacker
03-17-2012, 07:22 PM
I don't know if he's ever been tried there. Seeing some speculation that this could be an option. Still would just move the hole from C to LG; a position that Lang played pretty well last season.

Yeah it would be pretty pointless.

cvv84
03-17-2012, 07:40 PM
I don't know if he's ever been tried there. Seeing some speculation that this could be an option. Still would just move the hole from C to LG; a position that Lang played pretty well last season.

He played Daryn Colledge well there last year. Another year starting there might change that but I doubt it. Its really a question of weather you prefer to find a center or guard, whereas I believe guard is a much stronger position in the draft than center.

Pack_Attack_4
03-17-2012, 11:58 PM
If Lang moves to C, couldent we try Sherrod at LG

TimmG6376
03-18-2012, 08:48 AM
If Lang moves to C, couldent we try Sherrod at LG

They tried that last offseason and it didn't work. Sherrod is a tackle, but it is unlikely he'll be ready to contribute this season.

I'll buy the notion that an immediate starter at LG will be easier to find in the draft than an immediate starter at C. Still no guarantee that Lang can actually play C.

cvv84
03-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Still no guarantee that Lang can actually play C.

Still no guarantee that EDS can play at the NFL level either. Let alone a rookie. I don't see a Pouncey or Mack in this draft.

mqtirishfan
03-18-2012, 12:00 PM
Still no guarantee that EDS can play at the NFL level either. Let alone a rookie. I don't see a Pouncey or Mack in this draft.

If Lang can play C, there is an impact player at G available in DeCastro if TT wanted to trade up.

SuperPacker
03-18-2012, 12:02 PM
If Lang can play C, there is an impact player at G available in DeCastro if TT wanted to trade up.

That would be horrible! You dont trade up 15 or so places to get a guard, especially when you're two biggest needs are on defense.

Pack_Attack_4
03-18-2012, 03:19 PM
They tried that last offseason and it didn't work. Sherrod is a tackle, but it is unlikely he'll be ready to contribute this season.

I'll buy the notion that an immediate starter at LG will be easier to find in the draft than an immediate starter at C. Still no guarantee that Lang can actually play C.

Hes a 1st ronder he should be ready to contribute.

SuperPacker
03-18-2012, 03:20 PM
Hes a 1st ronder he should be ready to contribute.

He's injured...

Pack_Attack_4
03-18-2012, 05:21 PM
He's injured...

i kno he hurt his leg but shouldent he be ready for the start of training camp.

Also jus heard Matt Flynn sighed a 3year 26Mill deal with the Seahawks.

mqtirishfan
03-18-2012, 05:23 PM
Sherrod murdered his knee if I remember correctly. It's gonna take him awhile to get back into football shape, let alone learning a new position well enough to play for one of the NFL's top offenses.

cvv84
03-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Sherrod murdered his knee if I remember correctly. It's gonna take him awhile to get back into football shape, let alone learning a new position well enough to play for one of the NFL's top offenses.

He broke his leg pretty badly. He's still expected to be ready for training camp though. I still think he's strictly a LT. I like Newhouse as well and he could be in for a much better season, ala Bulaga after his rookie season.

SuperPacker
03-18-2012, 06:20 PM
I'll reserve judgement on Sherrod for the 2013 season. He didnt get much playing time last year and he will be recovering this season so it would be unfair to firstly move him to a new position and secondly judge him too harshly.

jackalope
03-18-2012, 07:34 PM
Really disappointed we lost Wells. I was holding out hope we'd work something out with him.

Not sure what the price tag is on Wimbley, but giving him a short contract would make sense. We can't realistically expect to find replacements at center, outside linebacker, and defensive end in the draft. Sign Wimbley as somewhat of a stopgap so we aren't handcuffed to drafting an OLB high. Then draft Konz and a D-lineman in the first two rounds and I'd be happy.

jackalope
03-19-2012, 03:42 PM
Nick Collins to have his neck re-examined late next week. Fingers crossed.

SuperPacker
03-19-2012, 03:43 PM
Nick Collins to have his neck re-examined late next week. Fingers crossed.

Wishing him the best! I t would be great to get him back next year, we really missed him last season.

If he does have to retire it would make our need list even bigger. We would arguably need a starter at C, DE, OLB and S.

PackerLegend
03-19-2012, 04:00 PM
Nick Collins to have his neck re-examined late next week. Fingers crossed.

If he could play again without having much higher risk of serious injury because of the neck.... well that would be the best news we could get this offseason.

PackerLegend
03-19-2012, 07:43 PM
Jefferson Saturday is or was in green bay for a visit. Dude is pretty old, does he have anything left? Just as a short term stop gap if cheap.

PackerLegend
03-20-2012, 09:09 AM
Tebow to packers talk on PFT.. its only talk but what would you guys think. Obviously there would be no talk of starting. Some type of a gadget player maybe.

TimmG6376
03-20-2012, 09:14 AM
I don't think it will happen, but probably would be an excellent situation for Tebow. McCarthy's QB school is one of the best. If he couldn't improve his mechanics and decision making under the tutelage of McCarthy and Clements, he has no hope.

I'm personally opposed to it, especially if it would cost anything higher than a 4th round pick. Tebow is a backup QB and a project. Not worth an early round pick IMO.

PackerLegend
03-20-2012, 12:13 PM
Packers resigned jarret bush to 3 yr deal. Mehh was never much of a fan.

princefielder28
03-20-2012, 12:42 PM
Tebow to packers talk on PFT.. its only talk but what would you guys think. Obviously there would be no talk of starting. Some type of a gadget player maybe.

I am a huge fan of Tebow and would love his addition to the team...I think he could be an asset for our goalline offense as well

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 01:02 PM
No to Tebow! Why would we give up a decent draft pick for someone that will never be a starter and plays the exact oposite offense as what the Packers run?

That move would make zero sense IMO.

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-20-2012, 02:02 PM
I am a huge fan of Tebow and would love his addition to the team...I think he could be an asset for our goalline offense as well

i like it as well.. even though it doesnt make a ton of sense. well really it makes no sense. but if i could get him for like a 6th rounder i guess i would. 4th.. no way. whos our back up now? graham? i think id rather have tebow. if we could develop him into anything and trade him it would be a nice return.

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 02:04 PM
i like it as well.. even though it doesnt make a ton of sense. well really it makes no sense. but if i could get him for like a 6th rounder i guess i would. 4th.. no way. whos our back up now? graham? i think id rather have tebow. if we could develop him into anything and trade him it would be a nice return.

what makes you think we could develop him into something better? he's never been able to throw so i dont know why people imagine hes going to suddenly become a decent quarterback.

princefielder28
03-20-2012, 02:10 PM
what makes you think we could develop him into something better? he's never been able to throw so i dont know why people imagine hes going to suddenly become a decent quarterback.

Since Tim has entered the league he's had a new coordinator and coaches to work with in both seasons and didn't get an off-season in either one to develop with coaches (one year bc of signing as a rookie, the time that takes and then with the lockout this past season)...is there ability with Tebow? no doubt there is and simply having some stability with good coaching could do wonders for him...he'll never be a prototypical NFL QB but he has the tools to become a decent quarterback while being an incredible winner

cuzifelt1ikeit
03-20-2012, 02:14 PM
what makes you think we could develop him into something better? he's never been able to throw so i dont know why people imagine hes going to suddenly become a decent quarterback.

nothing i can point to and say "that right there is why he will be better" i just think he can be better, mostly just a gut feeling. denver was a terrible situation for him to go to. it has to be incredibly hard to be somewhere youre not wanted. here he could just hang out and go through clements/mccarthys qb school and learn from rodgers and we could see what happens. he might not be good at throwing a football but he sure does win a lot. not a bad quality to have in a backup.

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 02:22 PM
Not for the Packers style of offense.

Our whole offense is built around throwing the football first so it would be too much of a change if Rodgers got injured. We could easily get a quarterback that has the potential to be a back up QB in the 6th/7th round. Why would we give up a mid round pick for him?

princefielder28
03-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Not for the Packers style of offense.

Our whole offense is built around throwing the football first so it would be too much of a change if Rodgers got injured. We could easily get a quarterback that has the potential to be a back up QB in the 6th/7th round. Why would we give up a mid round pick for him?

If we trade for Tebow I can almost guarantee it will be for no more than a 6th round pick

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 02:26 PM
If we trade for Tebow I can almost guarantee it will be for no more than a 6th round pick

well then we wont get Tebow, i cant see them trading him for a 6th round pick.

princefielder28
03-20-2012, 02:31 PM
well then we wont get Tebow, i cant see them trading him for a 6th round pick.

what leverage does denver have? the market isn't large for Tebow and teams know that they want him out of town asap so the attention can be focused on Manning

PackerLegend
03-20-2012, 02:57 PM
Not for the Packers style of offense.

Our whole offense is built around throwing the football first so it would be too much of a change if Rodgers got injured. We could easily get a quarterback that has the potential to be a back up QB in the 6th/7th round. Why would we give up a mid round pick for him?

If Rodgers gets hurt we are done anyways.... McCarthy gushed about Tebow coming out. His character is top notch you couldnt ask for a better guy. You know he is going to work hard and try to improve. I think he could be really useful as a gadget and short yardage typish back. Which we were awful at last year.

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 03:53 PM
What would you guys think of us releasing James Jones and Donald Driver and giving up our first round pick for Mike Wallace?

IMO that is ******* amazing!

jackalope
03-20-2012, 04:00 PM
What would you guys think of us releasing James Jones and Donald Driver and giving up our first round pick for Mike Wallace?

IMO that is ******* amazing!

Definitely not. The receiving corps is more than fine as it is. We can't afford to give up our first round pick when we have holes at outside linebacker, defensive line, center, and possibly safety. Receiver is just about the last thing we should be worrying about.

And I'll also give an absolute no to bringing in Tebow.

SuperPacker
03-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Definitely not. The receiving corps is more than fine as it is. We can't afford to give up our first round pick when we have holes at outside linebacker, defensive line, center, and possibly safety. Receiver is just about the last thing we should be worrying about.

And I'll also give an absolute no to bringing in Tebow.

But... but...

Rodgers + Jennings + Nelson + Wallace + Finley = Best offense to ever play in NFL

PackerLegend
03-20-2012, 06:24 PM
Packers in discussions with free agent Manny Lawson per PFT. Could it be...

jackalope
03-20-2012, 06:29 PM
Packers in discussions with free agent Manny Lawson per PFT. Could it be...

Well, I'm certainly glad we didn't get Wimbley considering he got a 5 year $35 million deal, but if Lawson comes at a reasonable price I'd be for the move. As I talked about with Wimbley, I think a short term solution at OLB would give us flexibility to address our other problems in the draft.

CheeseKnuckles
03-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Well, I'm certainly glad we didn't get Wimbley considering he got a 5 year $35 million deal, but if Lawson comes at a reasonable price I'd be for the move. As I talked about with Wimbley, I think a short term solution at OLB would give us flexibility to address our other problems in the draft.

It would also make it possible to draft a OLB that they see high potential in, but may be very raw.

jackalope
03-20-2012, 06:42 PM
It would also make it possible to draft a OLB that they see high potential in, but may be very raw.

Right. Also gives the team a chance to find out if they have anything in So'oto and Lattimore.

PackerLegend
03-20-2012, 06:56 PM
But... but...

Rodgers + Jennings + Nelson + Wallace + Finley = Best offense to ever play in NFL

Well that would be an amazing lineup there are 3 reasons we could never do it.. 1 we desperately need our 1st round pick for a DE, OLB, or a C. 2 money, we will have so much money locked up in our receiving core it would be crippling. 3 which is not a huge problem but somebody would whine from not getting the ball and just become trouble.

Pack_Attack_4
03-20-2012, 07:34 PM
Packers in discussions with free agent Manny Lawson per PFT. Could it be...

I hope we sighn him hes a freak. Hes good against the run he accells is pass coverage. hopefully he can take sum of the attention off of Clay.

Pack_Attack_4
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Well that would be an amazing lineup there are 3 reasons we could never do it.. 1 we desperately need our 1st round pick for a DE, OLB, or a C. 2 money, we will have so much money locked up in our receiving core it would be crippling. 3 which is not a huge problem but somebody would whine from not getting the ball and just become trouble.

ya man we have too many holes on Def. To give up a 1st round pic to get a guy when were allready stacked at that position doesnt make alot of sence to me.

CheeseKnuckles
03-20-2012, 08:38 PM
I hope we sighn him hes a freak. Hes good against the run he accells is pass coverage. hopefully he can take sum of the attention off of Clay.

If we sign Lawson we could take a flier on Bruce Irvin in the 2nd or possibly 3rd now that he was arrested. I would be happy with that.

RockJock07
03-20-2012, 09:08 PM
Bringing in Wallace would be an awful idea, It's such a terrible idea I don't even know how to respond to it.

Lawson on the other hand is a great idea, a mid-level FA that can come in a be a starter right away.

MM likes Tebow but I don't see this happening.

princefielder28
03-20-2012, 09:26 PM
I wouldn't be against signing Manny Lawson but we need to bring in pass rushers, which he does not fall under

Burger
03-20-2012, 11:26 PM
I wouldn't be against signing Manny Lawson but we need to bring in pass rushers, which he does not fall under

Actually, he is a pass-rusher. He was the defensive end opposite of Mario Williams in college. The 49ers just screwed him over.

princefielder28
03-21-2012, 08:02 AM
Actually, he is a pass-rusher. He was the defensive end opposite of Mario Williams in college. The 49ers just screwed him over.

I am well aware of who Manny Lawson is. 16 career sacks in 6 seasons does not equate to someone who is an effective pass rusher.

TimmG6376
03-21-2012, 08:57 AM
Not going to quote everyone, but I agree with a lot that's been said. Lawson isn't the pass rusher we all want, but he is a good all around LB with experience in the 3-4. Would be a nice stopgap that they could trust on early downs. I would hope they'd still draft a OLB that could be used as a pass rush specialist until developing the other necessary skills.

He did get I think 9 of his 16 career sacks while playing in the 3-4, and as someone mentioned he may benefit from playing across from someone like Clay who draws so much attention. In his time with the 49ers his partner in crime at ROLB was Parys Haralson. A guy I see 49ers fans on this board respect as a run/coverage guy but is not really a pass rush threat.

I also see that the Browns are interested in Lawson now :facepalm: .

bigboiajhawk
03-21-2012, 10:13 PM
Okay, so does selecting Jordy Nelson give TT a pass on Brohm and Lee? Lee was just signed by the Raiders, thus officially ending his career as a Packer.

jackalope
03-21-2012, 10:44 PM
Okay, so does selecting Jordy Nelson give TT a pass on Brohm and Lee? Lee was just signed by the Raiders, thus officially ending his career as a Packer.

People need to get past the thinking that every pick is expected to be great. GMs are aware that the draft is a crapshoot and anticipate that a fair number of players aren't going to pan out. If you're able to hit at a good percentage in the early rounds and add a few impact players in every draft class (which Thompson does), that's really good enough. 2008 wasn't TTs best class, but it still netted Jordy, Finley, Sitton, and Flynn. Yes, Brohm and Lee turned out to be bad picks, but thanks to consistently good drafting the team was able to overcome that. I mean, Thompson got the team to a Super Bowl. Of course he get a pass on going 1/3 in the second round that year.

For the record, I absolutely hated the Brohm pick at the time and was in love with the Pat Lee pick.

SuperPacker
03-22-2012, 11:47 AM
People need to get past the thinking that every pick is expected to be great. GMs are aware that the draft is a crapshoot and anticipate that a fair number of players aren't going to pan out. If you're able to hit at a good percentage in the early rounds and add a few impact players in every draft class (which Thompson does), that's really good enough. 2008 wasn't TTs best class, but it still netted Jordy, Finley, Sitton, and Flynn. Yes, Brohm and Lee turned out to be bad picks, but thanks to consistently good drafting the team was able to overcome that. I mean, Thompson got the team to a Super Bowl. Of course he get a pass on going 1/3 in the second round that year.

For the record, I absolutely hated the Brohm pick at the time and was in love with the Pat Lee pick.

What he said!

princefielder28
03-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Jeff Saturday has signed with the Packers

I understand the need to sign him, but in comparison to letting Wells walk, this is a baffling move by the team. Saturday will be 37 when the season starts and is probably only a one year solution and might not even be a lateral move from Wells being on the team.

bigboiajhawk
03-23-2012, 12:23 PM
Jeff Saturday has signed with the Packers

I understand the need to sign him, but in comparison to letting Wells walk, this is a baffling move by the team. Saturday will be 37 when the season starts and is probably only a one year solution and might not even be a lateral move from Wells being on the team.

Lets wait til the contract details come out. He is most likely not getting paid anything like Wells, so that is a plus. In addition, when you have TJ Lang and Josh Sitton next to you, you don't have to be the greatest center in the world. Also, the Packers can draft a guy this year at Center, and let him develop for a full year.

BloodBrother
03-23-2012, 12:55 PM
Yeah, I like the move. He was just as good last season as Wells was, but will be much cheaper. This gives the Packers a nice stop gap option until they find his replacement. They can now focus on nabbing some D guys early in the draft, and take a center later on.

BloodBrother
03-23-2012, 12:58 PM
I am well aware of who Manny Lawson is. 16 career sacks in 6 seasons does not equate to someone who is an effective pass rusher.

That is why they draft a guy who can rush the passer and spell him with Lawson. WAlden was atrocious vs the run last year and I couldn't STAND seeing him lose contain on the edge all the time. Lawson would be a huge upgrade over him in this area alone

Sign Lawson, then draft a OLB who can rush the passer. Would be a good combination on the edge there. Next up would be to bolster DE, especially with Mike Neal's sorry ass suspended for 4 games

jackalope
03-23-2012, 01:00 PM
I don't know what level of play Saturday has at 37, but this was probably a smart move by the team. Without signing Saturday, the team would have either been forced to find their starting center in this year's draft (which would be a risky move), or start ED-S. I still don't think this rules out Konz in the first round (this would be a smart pick in my mind), but the team can now go defense early on and try to find a guy in the mid-rounds who doesn't have to start for a year or two.

BloodBrother
03-23-2012, 01:15 PM
Yeah, this doesn't mean that if Konz is there that they won't take him, since as we know, they'll take BPA on their board regardless of position.

Smokey
03-23-2012, 01:28 PM
Aaron Smith is 35 years old. In Thompsons' world he might as well be dead as a FA.


Heh - see the venerable Jeff Saturday.

PackerLegend
03-23-2012, 01:35 PM
Must have been fairly cheap. Can't see them spending a lot on him. In that case it would be a good move then. Not desperately need a C. Could still see Konz drafted

SuperPacker
03-23-2012, 04:27 PM
Drafting a Centre in the 3rd round would make sense because Saturday isnt a long term option. OLB in the 1st, DE in the 2nd and C in the 3rd would be ideal.

TimmG6376
03-23-2012, 06:25 PM
Well **** me! Two FAs in one day?

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-sign-DT-Muir/7b262ba3-1917-4c12-b698-f2fd84cf1ebb

Only a vet rotational guy but still.

princefielder28
03-23-2012, 06:44 PM
Well **** me! Two FAs in one day?

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-sign-DT-Muir/7b262ba3-1917-4c12-b698-f2fd84cf1ebb

Only a vet rotational guy but still.

we cut him once before with our current 3-4 defense and the Colts didn't give him a try with their transition to the a 3-4 so I question how good of a fit he can potentially be

TimmG6376
03-23-2012, 07:04 PM
He was released prior to the 2008 season. We didn't move to the 3-4 until 2009, by that time he was already with the Colts. Obviously, I don't think he's a starter at DE but will be a solid rotational lineman hopefully.

princefielder28
03-23-2012, 07:06 PM
He was released prior to the 2008 season. We didn't move to the 3-4 until 2009, by that time he was already with the Colts. Obviously, I don't think he's a starter at DE but will be a solid rotational lineman hopefully.

gosh it seems like we've been running the 3-4 longer than that haha

TimmG6376
03-23-2012, 07:09 PM
And get this he was likely cut because we had just drafted Justin Harrell the year before and there were only so many roster spots on the defensive line.

:facepalm:

SuperPacker
03-24-2012, 08:19 AM
With Pickett and Raji we have two good defensive lineman. Getting Muir will helpwith the DL rotation, but hopefully he wont have to play much because Mike Neal will finally start to stay healthy and play well. Im not counting on it though.

cvv84
03-24-2012, 12:57 PM
With Pickett and Raji we have two good defensive lineman. Getting Muir will helpwith the DL rotation, but hopefully he wont have to play much because Mike Neal will finally start to stay healthy and play well. Im not counting on it though.

Neal is suspended the 1st 4 games of the season for violations of the leagues PED policy. Anything we get out of him at this point is a plus.

Muir technically doesn't count as an unrestricted free agent signing either seeing he was released during last season. His contract isn't guaranteed either so it was a very low risk signing for us.

I'm happy to have Saturday on board but we really need to find/develop someone for the future.

TimmG6376
03-24-2012, 03:41 PM
DT Anthony Hargrove in for a visit
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/144092856.html

Pack_Attack_4
03-24-2012, 04:07 PM
DT Anthony Hargrove in for a visit
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/144092856.html

I like Hargrove he was a good rotational guy for the Saints when they won the SB, hope we sighn him and Lawson get sum much needed pressure.

RockJock07
03-24-2012, 06:03 PM
I like the Saturday pick if for no other reason then to not have a rookie starting at Center next year. Now TT can pick a defensive player in the 1st and get a middle round Center to develop for either next season or after Saturday's contract expires.

I still want Lawson too.

cvv84
03-24-2012, 06:59 PM
I am well aware of who Manny Lawson is. 16 career sacks in 6 seasons does not equate to someone who is an effective pass rusher.

To Lawson's credit, while he isn't a stud or ever good pass rusher, he's very good against the run and could be a nice complementary pass rusher to Clay. He's never been paired up with a stud pass rusher before which could really benefit him. Lawson would still be an upgrade over Jones, Walden, and Zombo.

SuperPacker
03-24-2012, 07:34 PM
To Lawson's credit, while he isn't a stud or ever good pass rusher, he's very good against the run and could be a nice complementary pass rusher to Clay. He's never been paired up with a stud pass rusher before which could really benefit him. Lawson would still be an upgrade over Jones, Walden, and Zombo.

To be fair, most people would be an upgrade over those 3. As long as it was a cheap deal i would support it.

TitleTown088
03-25-2012, 01:18 AM
Drafting a Centre in the 3rd round would make sense because Saturday isnt a long term option. OLB in the 1st, DE in the 2nd and C in the 3rd would be ideal.


Ideal for you maybe. This type of positional draft based on need goes against everything Ted Thompson stands for.

TitleTown088
03-25-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm not sure if this is Hargrove's real twitter handle but:

https://twitter.com/#!/A94Hargrove

I enjoy my visit with Green Bay

a94hargroveplay with Pickett when he was a Ram. Going to be great playing with him again..

SuperPacker
03-25-2012, 01:32 PM
If we bring in Hargrove as well, we're gonna have loads of defensive ends!

J-Mike88
03-25-2012, 02:38 PM
http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.c...-collins-was-my-son-i-would-not-let-him-play/

McCarthy: If Collins was my son, I would not let him play

PALM BEACH, Fla. — As the Packers coach, Mike McCarthy would love to have Nick Collins back.

And why not? He’s a three-time Pro Bowl player who at age 28 should still be in his prime.

But McCarthy still can’t get the image out of his mind of Collins down on the field in Charlotte, N.C. after he sustained what would be a season-ending neck injury in Week 2 against the Carolina Panthers.

Collins had cervical fusion surgery last September and could learn by the end of this week whether he’ll ever play football again.

“That’s probably one of the worst parts of your job (as a coach),” McCarthy said during an interview today on the eve of the NFL annual meetings at The Breakers Hotel. “Walking out on the field, looking over a player — especially when it didn’t look very serious, and then you get out there — I don’t want to be put in that position again

“And this is not about me. I’m just talking about, if that was my son, if Nick was my son, I would not let him play.”

Collins has said all along that if doctors tell him he’s not at additional risk, then he will play. Otherwise he will retire.

“I’ll tell you what (team physician) Dr. Pat McKenzie told me: It’s something that they feel very good about based on the last exam, and if he has a good chance just based on the way he’s progressing, but you don’t know,” McCarthy said. “He said it’s either yes or no.”

McCarthy added: “We’re not going to put him in harm’s way. If he’s on the field, he’ll be cleared. He’ll be 100 percent, and everybody will be comfortable with it.”

SuperPacker
03-25-2012, 02:40 PM
McCarthy is the best coach in the league. You can just tell he loves his team and values them more as people than football players. Anyone would love to play under this guy.

princefielder28
03-25-2012, 03:28 PM
If we bring in Hargrove as well, we're gonna have loads of defensive ends!

there's a difference between quantity and quality though

I hate to sound negative but we're bringing in guys that Seattle and Indianapolis didn't want

J-Mike88
03-25-2012, 03:38 PM
there's a difference between quantity and quality though

I hate to sound negative but we're bringing in guys that Seattle and Indianapolis didn't want

That's a good point, although they didn't want to let them go solely due to their playing level. Some was financial, and some age.

Was Seattle's defense really worse than ours was last year? I suspect not.

SuperPacker
03-25-2012, 03:39 PM
there's a difference between quantity and quality though

I hate to sound negative but we're bringing in guys that Seattle and Indianapolis didn't want

But whats the point of bringing them in though. Say we wanna get a defensive end in the draft we'll have to cut about 4 guys just to have a sensible amount. Who would those guys be?

CJ Wilson? Lawrence Guy? Mike Neal?

princefielder28
03-25-2012, 03:42 PM
That's a good point, although they didn't want to let them go solely due to their playing level. Some was financial, and some age.

Was Seattle's defense really worse than ours was last year? I suspect not.

Seattle has little talent at defensive end and let him go. Hargrove would be nothing more than a camp body and really he's undersized to play upfront in our defense.

J-Mike88
03-25-2012, 08:17 PM
Seattle has little talent at defensive end and let him go. Hargrove would be nothing more than a camp body and really he's undersized to play upfront in our defense.
Trust in Ted.
Also, he might play rushbacker in this scheme.
There are bigger guys that have done it.

J-Mike88
03-25-2012, 09:18 PM
@PackersInsider
#twitter

I've been told that the Packers and Anthony Hargrove have agreed to a deal. Announcement is expected tomorrow or Tuesday

bigboiajhawk
03-26-2012, 11:26 AM
I think what the Hargrove signing does is brings in a guy with pass rush skills that can maybe rub off on some of the other guys. Whether or not he will remain on the team, time will tell. Signing 2 DE's really makes me wonder if the packers are going to draft a DE high. Seems like too many DE's to me, especially considering Guy was redshirted last year.

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 11:29 AM
I think what the Hargrove signing does is brings in a guy with pass rush skills that can maybe rub off on some of the other guys. Whether or not he will remain on the team, time will tell. Signing 2 DE's really makes me wonder if the packers are going to draft a DE high. Seems like too many DE's to me, especially considering Guy was redshirted last year.

Some will have to be cut, but then whats the point of bringing Hargrove in if you know you're gonna cut him.

Raji, Pickett, Neal, Wilson, Guy, Jolly Jones, Muir, Hargrove and guys from the draft and UDFA's. We could have around 10 defensive lineman going into camp.

Pack_Attack_4
03-26-2012, 11:40 AM
Some will have to be cut, but then whats the point of bringing Hargrove in if you know you're gonna cut him.

Raji, Pickett, Neal, Wilson, Guy, Jolly Jones, Muir, Hargrove and guys from the draft and UDFA's. We could have around 10 defensive lineman going into camp.

whats the word on Jolly is he gonna play this year?

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 11:43 AM
whats the word on Jolly is he gonna play this year?

I meant Johnny Jones, i think we signed him from the practice squad mid season. Im guessing Johnny Jolly is taking codeine somewhere.

TimmG6376
03-26-2012, 12:18 PM
I think what the Hargrove signing does is brings in a guy with pass rush skills that can maybe rub off on some of the other guys. Whether or not he will remain on the team, time will tell. Signing 2 DE's really makes me wonder if the packers are going to draft a DE high. Seems like too many DE's to me, especially considering Guy was redshirted last year.

Some will have to be cut, but then whats the point of bringing Hargrove in if you know you're gonna cut him.

Raji, Pickett, Neal, Wilson, Guy, Jolly Jones, Muir, Hargrove and guys from the draft and UDFA's. We could have around 10 defensive lineman going into camp.

Could be just trying to generate some competition. Until it is officially announced we won't know what kind of deal Hargrove signed, but it was speculated that he could be had for close to the vet minimum.

At the very least it sends a message to Wilson and Wynn that they are going to have to bring it this offseason if they want to stick around. There is no way all of these guys will make the final roster.

I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe TT has someone specific he wants to target. Hargrove/Muir would be the equivalent of mid-round picks. Not guys you depend on to start but valuable reserves. Maybe he'll package some of those mid-round picks to move up a little to get the guy he wants.

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 12:20 PM
Could be just trying to generate some competition. Until it is officially announced we won't know what kind of deal Hargrove signed, but it was speculated that he could be had for close to the vet minimum.

At the very least it sends a message to Wilson and Wynn that they are going to have to bring it this offseason if they want to stick around. There is no way all of these guys will make the final roster.

I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe TT has someone specific he wants to target. Hargrove/Muir would be the equivalent of mid-round picks. Not guys you depend on to start but valuable reserves. Maybe he'll package some of those mid-round picks to move up a little to get the guy he wants.

I was thinking this as well. Hopefully a trade up for a Nick Perry, Courtney Upshaw or Whitney Mercilus.

jackalope
03-26-2012, 12:25 PM
Could be just trying to generate some competition. Until it is officially announced we won't know what kind of deal Hargrove signed, but it was speculated that he could be had for close to the vet minimum.

At the very least it sends a message to Wilson and Wynn that they are going to have to bring it this offseason if they want to stick around. There is no way all of these guys will make the final roster.

I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe TT has someone specific he wants to target. Hargrove/Muir would be the equivalent of mid-round picks. Not guys you depend on to start but valuable reserves. Maybe he'll package some of those mid-round picks to move up a little to get the guy he wants.

Right. There's nothing wrong with competition. Hargrove and Muir will at the very least push the other guys already on the roster in camp. This should have no affect on drafting (at least until the late rounds), seeing as how these are depth signings and the team needs to add a real impact defensive linemen regardless.

bigboiajhawk
03-26-2012, 02:02 PM
I know this is more of a draft thing, but I am just a big Derek Wolfe fan. He seems to be the 3-4 DE with pass rush ability that is not a top 15 pick.

princefielder28
03-26-2012, 02:45 PM
I know this is more of a draft thing, but I am just a big Derek Wolfe fan. He seems to be the 3-4 DE with pass rush ability that is not a top 15 pick.

I am a big fan of his as well...it's hard to project where he'll end up going (I think Scott said he's around a 4th round pick) but you look at his skill set and I think he'd be a wonderful choice at the bottom of round two if we could get him.

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 03:13 PM
We have 4 compensatory picks according to Shane, two 4ths and two 7ths. This just backs up the trade up scenario because we already have 9 picks going into the draft and now we have 13 (i think).

bigboiajhawk
03-26-2012, 03:23 PM
I am a big fan of his as well...it's hard to project where he'll end up going (I think Scott said he's around a 4th round pick) but you look at his skill set and I think he'd be a wonderful choice at the bottom of round two if we could get him.

I would agree with that. I am a little perplexed by his low ratings on some sites (including this one). The guy is athletic, strong, decent arm length, and had a great senior season.

jackalope
03-26-2012, 03:52 PM
We have 4 compensatory picks according to Shane, two 4ths and two 7ths. This just backs up the trade up scenario because we already have 9 picks going into the draft and now we have 13 (i think).

12 picks total. 7 originally, 4 compensatory, and a 7th from the Schlauderaff trade. Definitely gives the team flexibility to trade up, though keep in mind comp picks can't be traded.

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 04:05 PM
12 picks total. 7 originally, 4 compensatory, and a 7th from the Schlauderaff trade. Definitely gives the team flexibility to trade up, though keep in mind comp picks can't be traded.

Didnt we get one from the Quin Johnson trade? I saw that on a site somewhere.

yeah i know they cant be traded but hopefully they'll realise we have loads of picks and trade some of the ones we can trade.

jackalope
03-26-2012, 04:26 PM
Didnt we get one from the Quin Johnson trade? I saw that on a site somewhere.

yeah i know they cant be traded but hopefully they'll realise we have loads of picks and trade some of the ones we can trade.

I'm pretty sure the Quinn Johnson trade was conditional, and that he was cut without meeting the conditions.

TitleTown088
03-26-2012, 04:27 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/packers-next-to-host-demetrius-bell/

Another Lineman in for a visit. Teddy is going nuts.

princefielder28
03-26-2012, 04:38 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/packers-next-to-host-demetrius-bell/

Another Lineman in for a visit. Teddy is going nuts.

I would like the addition of Bell...if he's healthy I think he's a better option for us at LT than Newhouse

SuperPacker
03-26-2012, 04:56 PM
I would like the addition of Bell...if he's healthy I think he's a better option for us at LT than Newhouse

Yeah true. Newhouse and Sherrod would make good back ups for next season as well.

Pack_Attack_4
03-26-2012, 07:47 PM
If healthy Bell would be a solid pick up hes only 28 soo hes still got alot of football left.

Bell Lang Saturday Sittion Bulaga would be a solid O line

TimmG6376
03-27-2012, 11:32 AM
What is this BS with the JS blog? You have to subscribe now? **** that.
:no:

Smokey
03-27-2012, 12:05 PM
What is this BS with the JS blog? You have to subscribe now? **** that.
:no:

Yes. 20 articles max per month without subscribing as well from JS. I generally hit my 20 by around the 10th to the 15th clicking links from TheRedZone.

Smokey
03-27-2012, 12:11 PM
If healthy Bell would be a solid pick up hes only 28 soo hes still got alot of football left.

Bell Lang Saturday Sittion Bulaga would be a solid O line

Bell would be solid if unspectacular. Let he and Newhouse fight it out in camp. If Newhouse comes out on top Bell would be a very solid backup.


I've been pouring over many mocks and the Pack is generally seen as going DE or OLB. TT is hard to speculate on though. The more I think on it the more I suspect he'll go corner.

princefielder28
03-27-2012, 06:49 PM
Manny Lawson is expected to re-sign with the Bengals

PackerLegend
03-27-2012, 07:24 PM
Manny Lawson is expected to re-sign with the Bengals

O well not a huge loss. He probably wanted to much money.

princefielder28
03-28-2012, 09:24 AM
Coach Mike McCarthy indicated that RB Alex Green is making a "very quick" recovery from ACL surgery. He also said that Sherrod has been making strides and could very well be ready for camp.

It's obviously more important that Green can contribute for us, especially early on in the season, and if we are able to get Sherrod involved this next season that'll be helpful in his development.

Pack_Attack_4
03-28-2012, 02:02 PM
So at RB u guys think Starks Green and Saine is good enough or do we need to draft a guy in the later rounds. I like the guys we have.

SuperPacker
03-28-2012, 02:24 PM
So at RB u guys think Starks Green and Saine is good enough or do we need to draft a guy in the later rounds. I like the guys we have.

Yeah i agree. With Starks/Green/Saine we have enough variety to mix things up during games.

Pack_Attack_4
03-28-2012, 04:54 PM
I remeber last season during a game they said Saine had some of the best hands on the team.

princefielder28
03-28-2012, 05:04 PM
I remeber last season during a game they said Saine had some of the best hands on the team.

He started his time at Ohio State as a receiver and was converted to a back

PackerFan20
03-29-2012, 01:17 PM
Anthony Hargrove signs with the Packers (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/144909625.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed). Haven't seen any contract terms yet, but this is a definite improvement.

Smokey
03-29-2012, 02:56 PM
Only confirmation I've seen is Hargrove again going mad with his Twitter account. Sigh. Will look for an official word.

TimmG6376
03-29-2012, 04:48 PM
I've hit my limit on the JS Blog but the ESPN NFCN blog reported that he signed. His weight is about 290 right now and that is what he intends to play at.

princefielder28
03-29-2012, 04:52 PM
I've hit my limit on the JS Blog but the ESPN NFCN blog reported that he signed. His weight is about 290 right now and that is what he intends to play at.

for a player whose game has been predicated more on his athleticism, it'll be interesting to see how that helps/hurts his game

Smokey
03-30-2012, 08:37 AM
Official transaction posted on nfl.com. I'd have rather gone with Langford as he's a proven 5 technique and very strong against the run but lauds to TT for recognizing the need and taking steps in free agency.

TimmG6376
03-30-2012, 08:51 AM
Official transaction posted on nfl.com. I'd have rather gone with Langford as he's a proven 5 technique and very strong against the run but lauds to TT for recognizing the need and taking steps in free agency.

Seems like the coaches would have preferred Langford as well considering they inquired about him first, but you don't always get what you want. I don't believe the details of the Hargrove contract have been released, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that we signed both Muir and Hargrove for less than what Langford got from the Rams.

TitleTown088
03-30-2012, 10:41 AM
Official transaction posted on nfl.com. I'd have rather gone with Langford as he's a proven 5 technique and very strong against the run but lauds to TT for recognizing the need and taking steps in free agency.

Langford was also a much more expensive option.

TitleTown088
04-02-2012, 12:38 PM
Hargrove accepted a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum of $825,000. Not only did it not contain any bonus money, it also was structured to protect the team.

At the same time, Hargrove had to sign an injury waiver that would reduce his compensation even further if he suffered an injury to an area of his body in which there was a pre-existing condition. He has had back and other medical issues during a career that began in 2004 with St. Louis.



http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/145779365.html?

mqtirishfan
04-02-2012, 01:00 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/145779365.html?

Does Hargrove even have an agent?

TimmG6376
04-02-2012, 01:59 PM
So for ~1.5mil (Muir + Hargrove) they got some veteran competition/depth for the defensive line. The 1 year deals tell me this will not have any impact on whether they look at DE early in the draft.

Nice tidbit about the new salary cap rules for veteran players on minimum contracts. I was not aware of that new rule and I like it.

tjsunstein
04-02-2012, 02:05 PM
I agree that these signings have absolutely no indication what TT will do in the draft. The only one that may is Saturday and what was discussed behind closed doors about his future beyond this year, if they even touched on that. But the only way I see us going C in the first is Konz. If he isn't there then I see a 4th or later spent on a developmental C. But that's strictly speculation on my part.

TitleTown088
04-02-2012, 09:24 PM
Does Hargrove even have an agent?

Would it have made a difference?

http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ted-thompson-packers-2.jpg

princefielder28
04-03-2012, 10:01 AM
Nick Collins will not meet with the team until next week. He's probably gotta due some serious thinking about his future following his appointment this week. I'm guessing he will never play football again.

Pack_Attack_4
04-03-2012, 11:43 AM
if nick cant come back this will be a huge blow to our def

Sportsfan486
04-03-2012, 12:39 PM
Sounds like retirement to me..

Smokey
04-04-2012, 01:02 PM
Bell signed with the Eagles:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7774499/2012-nfl-free-agency-philadelphia-eagles-add-ot-demetress-bell-attempt-fill-jason-peters-void

Marshall Newhouse or bust!!

TimmG6376
04-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Bell signed with the Eagles:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7774499/2012-nfl-free-agency-philadelphia-eagles-add-ot-demetress-bell-attempt-fill-jason-peters-void

Marshall Newhouse or bust!!

Well there was no way Thompson was giving him a 5-year deal with both Newhouse and Sherrod in development. Especially with his injury history. Eagles were desperate and he cashed in.

Sportsfan486
04-06-2012, 11:06 PM
Well there was no way Thompson was giving him a 5-year deal with both Newhouse and Sherrod in development. Especially with his injury history. Eagles were desperate and he cashed in.

Yeah. Sherrod is supposedly coming along nicely from what seemed like a baaaad injury.

Newhouse is at least okay. Bell really isn't better than Newhouse and definitely not worth what he got.

TimmG6376
04-17-2012, 09:42 AM
Newhouse made a jump last season without an offseason really. Based on how the coaches keep saying he gets better the more reps he takes, I expect another jump from him. Even 100% healthy Sherrod might have trouble overtaking him this season...IMO

princefielder28
04-17-2012, 05:02 PM
Rumors have it that the Packers will play the opening Sunday against San Fran and then that next Thursday they'll play the Bears (both games at home)

princefielder28
04-17-2012, 05:08 PM
The player rep for Nick Collins (neck surgery) isn't expecting a decision on the safety's playing career until after the draft.

"All the opinions aren't in," said Herman, "and I think he's getting another [specialist] opinion." Although Collins is reportedly optimistic about resuming his career, the agent insists he doesn't yet have a better feel for whether he will be cleared to play.

just more to suggest that Collins will never play another down for the Packers

Sportsfan486
04-17-2012, 06:14 PM
Rumors have it that the Packers will play the opening Sunday against San Fran and then that next Thursday they'll play the Bears (both games at home)

Gotta love we got the Niners at home. That should be a win, although Gore will likely be fully healthy and should have a big game.

I still can't believe our schedule..

Home: Bears (Win), Lions (Win), Vikings (Win), Cardinals (Win), Niners (Win), Saints (Toss-up), Jaguars (Win), Titans (Win.)

Away: Bears (Toss-up), Lions (Win), Vikings (Win), Rams (Win), Seahawks (Win), Giants (Toss-up), Texans (Win), Colts (Win.)

That's 13 games I feel strongly that we'll win. And it's not like I feel terribly doubtful about the others. We'll probably drop one or two we should win, that's just football, but I'd bet we'll win 2 out of the 3 toss ups.

Then again, is anyone terribly afraid for this regular season? I think the Niners dip in production and the Saints/Falcons beat each other up to keep both their records right around 10. The Giants are notoriously mediocre in the regular season and that division is so tough. Rodgers is pissed about the loss and we all know how well he plays when he's ticked off.

I think we'll get a bye rather easily.
Then again.. jynx?

bigboiajhawk
04-17-2012, 06:25 PM
just more to suggest that Collins will never play another down for the Packers

I think this has more to do with TT and the draft than Nick Collins. It does not make "draft" sense for the whole world to know the Packers need a Safety or if they don't. I think Collins will play, and that this opinion he is waiting on is just to add more comfort to Nick Collins and his family.



or....I am completely wrong and he failed his physical with the team doctor and surgeon, and he retires and the Packers end up bringing Marquand Manuel back!!!

Sportsfan486
04-17-2012, 06:54 PM
just more to suggest that Collins will never play another down for the Packers

I wouldn't be so sure. Look at it this way.. Collins met with the team doctors. If they said "Nope, we can't clear you." That would have been it. Period. No need for another specialist visit because the team doctors won't clear him.

And I guarantee you if the surgeon that performed the procedure said he wouldn't clear him, then no matter what anyone else says he won't play football again. Period. So really, this MUST mean his surgeon cleared him and the Packers want more comfort before agreeing.

More likely, the team doctors cleared him but TT and McCarthy asked for another opinion just to be absolutely sure.

And frankly, at this point there is absolutely nothing to be gained by announcing he's coming back before the draft. If he IS coming back, we won't draft a safety in the first and would love to see teams take Barron and maybe even Smith ahead of our pick to have more players we ARE interested in fall to us.

If he ISN'T coming back, teams will know we're going to look at safeties and make sure Barron doesn't make it to us.

Lose-Lose situation. I think we'll know the answer by how we draft. Safety in the top 3 rounds? He's gone for sure. Safety anywhere after that is likely just for protection.

cuzifelt1ikeit
04-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Gotta love we got the Niners at home. That should be a win, although Gore will likely be fully healthy and should have a big game.

I still can't believe our schedule..

Home: Bears (Win), Lions (Win), Vikings (Win), Cardinals (Win), Niners (Win), Saints (Toss-up), Jaguars (Win), Titans (Win.)

Away: Bears (Toss-up), Lions (Win), Vikings (Win), Rams (Win), Seahawks (Win), Giants (Toss-up), Texans (Win), Colts (Win.)

That's 13 games I feel strongly that we'll win. And it's not like I feel terribly doubtful about the others. We'll probably drop one or two we should win, that's just football, but I'd bet we'll win 2 out of the 3 toss ups.

Then again, is anyone terribly afraid for this regular season? I think the Niners dip in production and the Saints/Falcons beat each other up to keep both their records right around 10. The Giants are notoriously mediocre in the regular season and that division is so tough. Rodgers is pissed about the loss and we all know how well he plays when he's ticked off.

I think we'll get a bye rather easily.
Then again.. jynx?

i think the texans should be considered a toss up. especially away. and the lions too probably. and im sure there will be one game that is just freakishly weird that the other team will play us very well no matter if we are having an off day or if we are playing one of our better games also.

Sportsfan486
04-17-2012, 08:04 PM
Also, love the week 10 bye. Should give them a great chance to get some players healthier for the home stretch and evaluate what they need to do to make the playoffs and/or get a bye.

jackalope
04-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Also, love the week 10 bye. Should give them a great chance to get some players healthier for the home stretch and evaluate what they need to do to make the playoffs and/or get a bye.

Yeah, I'm really happy with getting a bye that late.

PackerLegend
04-18-2012, 11:58 AM
Yeah, I'm really happy with getting a bye that late.

I am as well. Byes in week 4 are horrid.

Smokey
04-18-2012, 02:24 PM
or....I am completely wrong and he failed his physical with the team doctor and surgeon, and he retires and the Packers end up bringing Marquand Manuel back!!!

Marquand Manuel. Lord. There's a name I haven't heard for awhile.

NY+Giants=NYG
04-18-2012, 05:50 PM
TJ: Its worrisome for sure. A lot of questions will be answered on draft day. Obviously we need some kind of production opposite of Clay, an effective pass rusher at DE (Jenkins is missed more than people know), and Nick Collins' future has yet to be decided but the early consensus seems to be that its over.

Fortunately for us, our offense doesnt have a major need heading into next season so we can devote this whole draft to the defense and finding a developmental QB to replace Flynn.

Id love for us to trade up and go after guys we want in the same fashion we got Matthews but I trust Thompson's decision making and cant question how this teams being built. Ask me again post draft.


Was Clay hurt last year? Why his production really down? Defensively, what are you looking for from the draft?

SuperPacker
04-18-2012, 05:56 PM
His production was down because he was the only source of pass rush. Its not like the Giants where you have Osi, Tuck and JPP coming at you. Matthews was the only one.

Defensively, an outside linebacker to play opposite Clay, a pass rushing defensive tackle to create pressure from inside like Jenkins did, a tall corner to eventually replace Woodson and a free safety as insurance for Collins.

The 4 ideal picks IMO would be, Nick Perry, Jared Crick and Trumaine Johnson who could fill in as out dime corner and who be the 3rd safety behind Burnett and Peprah if Collins isnt ready to play.

PackerLegend
04-19-2012, 12:17 PM
The packers desperately miss jenkins. If he was with us last year Clay gets double digit sacks easily.

SuperPacker
04-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Jared Crick is probably the closest thing to him. He can get consistent pass rush from the inside. Only problem is his injury history, we dont want another Mike Neal.

PackerLegend
04-19-2012, 12:20 PM
And the defense is worlds better. Also a game on the nfl network blows! There game broadcast suck. Plus I don't get NFLN on cable so I have to go somewhere

princefielder28
04-19-2012, 01:04 PM
Jared Crick is probably the closest thing to him. He can get consistent pass rush from the inside. Only problem is his injury history, we dont want another Mike Neal.

I think the prospect that actually compares to Cullen the best, and he goes under the radar a bit, is Tyrone Crawford of Boise State...he played two years of JUCO ball prior to arriving on campus and put up 27 TFLs with 13 of those being sacks in his two years...has wonderful size for an end at 6'4"+ and has above average explosion

bigboiajhawk
04-19-2012, 05:08 PM
I think the prospect that actually compares to Cullen the best, and he goes under the radar a bit, is Tyrone Crawford of Boise State...he played two years of JUCO ball prior to arriving on campus and put up 27 TFLs with 13 of those being sacks in his two years...has wonderful size for an end at 6'4"+ and has above average explosion

I think he is more of a 4-3DE, he is a little too light to be a 3-4DE. A guy that I like as a late round guy is Markus Kuhn from NC State. 6'4" 299lbs. He ran a 4.89 40 and had a 34" vertical at the combine. I see him as a 5-7 rounder.

PACKmanN
04-21-2012, 06:50 PM
I hope the packers target andrew datko. I like him as a future left tackle

princefielder28
04-23-2012, 10:31 AM
Chad Clifton fails physical, will be released

bigboiajhawk
04-23-2012, 10:51 AM
Chad Clifton fails physical, will be released

Whoa, that is not good news. Well looks like we will be drafting a tackle relatively early this year. Not necessarily a bad thing.

bigboiajhawk
04-23-2012, 10:53 AM
I think the real question now has to be whether or not Bulaga is the LT of the future or if Marshall/Sherrod are.

princefielder28
04-23-2012, 11:22 AM
I think the real question now has to be whether or not Bulaga is the LT of the future or if Marshall/Sherrod are.

Bulaga is going to stay put at right tackle; he's been wonderful there so don't mess with it. I think the coaching staff will let Newhouse and Sherrod battle it out. We invested a high pick in Sherrod, we obviously like him, and it'd be wrong to dismiss his chances after one season. A mid round pick in the tackle position becomes a high probability now; maybe Donald Stephenson?

SuperPacker
04-23-2012, 11:36 AM
It would be stupid to move Bulaga. He's been set a right tackle for two years now, no need to change that.

They obviously think Sherrod can be the tackle of the future and are probably seeing Newhouse as the swing/backup tackle. We could maybe draft a tackle in the 4th/5th round and have them as the 4th tackle.

SuperPacker
04-23-2012, 11:37 AM
Stupid double post! :grrrrrr:

PackerLegend
04-23-2012, 12:27 PM
No real surprise on Clifton being done... surprised he made it this long. We also save ourselves close to 6 million so that's always good.

jackalope
04-23-2012, 12:47 PM
Whoa, that is not good news. Well looks like we will be drafting a tackle relatively early this year. Not necessarily a bad thing.

I can't imagine this changes draft plans at all. Considering the last two first round picks have been OTs and Newhouse looks like he can be a starter, I'd be very surprised to take an OT before the 4th round.

ImBrotherCain
04-23-2012, 01:08 PM
Its going to be sad to see Clifton go... Him and Tauscher were great bookends for the better part of a decade.

I would love to see Sherrod step in to the starting spot and not look back.

princefielder28
04-23-2012, 01:12 PM
Its going to be sad to see Clifton go... Him and Tauscher were great bookends for the better part of a decade.

I would love to see Sherrod step in to the starting spot and not look back.

I strongly believe Sherrod can be our left tackle. I was a big fan of taking him last year and believe his lack of readiness can be contributed to the coaching staff experimenting with him at left guard over preparing him at left tackle for the long term.

SuperPacker
04-23-2012, 01:23 PM
I strongly believe Sherrod can be our left tackle. I was a big fan of taking him last year and believe his lack of readiness can be contributed to the coaching staff experimenting with him at left guard over preparing him at left tackle for the long term.

It was definitely a questionable move. Sherrod, a rookie offensive tackle, was never going to beat out TJ Lang for the left guard spot.

ImBrotherCain
04-23-2012, 03:13 PM
I strongly believe Sherrod can be our left tackle. I was a big fan of taking him last year and believe his lack of readiness can be contributed to the coaching staff experimenting with him at left guard over preparing him at left tackle for the long term.

Oh I agree. I just meant sooner than later. I would love to see him come to camp and completely blow Newhouse out for the spot.

TimmG6376
04-23-2012, 08:03 PM
Oh I agree. I just meant sooner than later. I would love to see him come to camp and completely blow Newhouse out for the spot.

I'll be surprised if Sherrod can make that much of a leap coming off of the injury. I think it's a good bet that Newhouse will improve significantly with a full offseason.

Sportsfan486
04-23-2012, 08:17 PM
We resigned Walden, which is a bit of a headscratcher. He is pretty terrible.

Maybe they want to compare whoever they draft to him? Or they think he's a serviceable backup?

Obviously we signed him for the min. so it doesn't really matter.

Clifton.. miss him but he was worse than Newhouse last year. Newhouse and Sherrod will battle out for the starting job, which Newhouse will win.

jackalope
04-23-2012, 08:26 PM
Well, there's really no reason to not bring Walden back to camp. It's just potential depth; have him compete for a backup job.

BloodBrother
04-23-2012, 09:43 PM
Yeah pretty much. The guy clearly showed last year he isn't a starter and GB knows it

Sportsfan486
04-24-2012, 12:32 AM
Well, there's really no reason to not bring Walden back to camp. It's just potential depth; have him compete for a backup job.

His off-the-field issues were my primary concern. I'm sure we signed him for no guaranteed, though, so he's probably just a camp body unless he sparks.

TitleTown088
04-24-2012, 08:47 AM
I'll be surprised if Sherrod can make that much of a leap coming off of the injury. He broke his leg, its not like he shredded his knee or something.

TimmG6376
04-24-2012, 12:11 PM
He broke his leg, its not like he shredded his knee or something.

Last update I saw speculated that he "could" be ready for camp. If he is 100% and can participate in a full training camp maybe he has a shot. It is all about reps. I just think Newhouse will have a signficant headstart and Sherrod will be hard pressed to pass him this season. Maybe as the season goes on Sherrod could jump him on the depth chart.

bigboiajhawk
04-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Last update I saw speculated that he "could" be ready for camp. If he is 100% and can participate in a full training camp maybe he has a shot. It is all about reps. I just think Newhouse will have a signficant headstart and Sherrod will be hard pressed to pass him this season. Maybe as the season goes on Sherrod could jump him on the depth chart.

Agreed, Newhouse has a supreme advantage. Hopefully, he takes advantage of all of the extra weight lifting and practice time. I just have to think they will give Bulaga a shot at LT. I mean, you always want the better tackle to protect the blindside of the quarterback. I hope they give Bulaga a shot, because he is still young and could easily develop into a legit LT.

Also, with Sherrod basically being out, he can just learn a new technique at right tackle. If Bulaga can do it, so can Sherrod.

I am biased as I like Bulaga more than Sherrod. I watched Sherrod play in an exhibition game, and he looked like Breno Giacomini out there....meaning he got blown back. I hate OT's that get blown back and pancaked. Granted he was a rookie, but again, so was Bulaga, and Bulaga pretty much secured a starting spot / top backup spot from day one. With that said, probably MM keeps Bulaga at RT. Oh well, that is why I am a fan.

TitleTown088
04-25-2012, 10:04 AM
Collins just got released.... Damnit.

BloodBrother
04-25-2012, 10:05 AM
Various Packers beat writers are reporting that the Packers will be releasing Nick Collins. They don't feel comfortable with him playing again after neck surgery. No clue if he was even cleared by doctors, but obviously the message is strong from GB that they don't think the risk is worth it

no clue if Nick will continue his career with another team or not

real ****** news and a HUGE blow to the team. I'll never forget his pick 6 in the SB! Good luck to Nick

Pack_Attack_4
04-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Man this nick collins news sucks. he was prob the best safety in the NFC B4 going down. its glnna be hard to replace a guy of his caliper

RockJock07
04-25-2012, 11:38 AM
Nick may never be healthy again to play football but I think the Packers were very smart not rushing him back.

I wish him well and hope he can make a full recovery to spend time with his wife and kids.

ImBrotherCain
04-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Wow... bad news on Nick. That certainly changes the outlook of the draft to some extent

SuperPacker
04-25-2012, 06:03 PM
Wow this is sad news. He was an elite safety, so its sad to see his career go down this path.

If he does to another team, i'll definitely be rooting for him.

tjsunstein
04-25-2012, 06:14 PM
Serious loss to Green Bay. I hope he can recover fully and play again. Obviously grateful for his contribution to the Packers.

Sportsfan486
04-26-2012, 01:13 AM
Wow.. that hurts.

Collins was really just entering his prime and still had tremendous potential. Irreplaceable. Look at our D after he was gone.. I know we allowed some big games up to that point but I am sure we wouldn't have been historically bad had he been there all season.

Classy move on the Packers to release him. Seems like he wanted to play but they didn't feel he had fully recovered and wouldn't risk it. Easily could have said "This doctor cleared him and he wants to play, welcome back" but took the high road.

Best of luck to him.. bummer.

senormysterioso
04-26-2012, 08:14 AM
What a huge blow, safety is by far our most pressing need now and must be addressed in the draft and or free agency/trade.

SuperPacker
04-26-2012, 08:19 AM
What a huge blow, safety is by far our most pressing need now and must be addressed in the draft and or free agency/trade.

I still think OLB is a bigger need. We have Burnett and Peprah back there who are two decent starters, but at OLB we have no one worthy of even being a back up. Pass rusher is a more valuable position than safety as well.

Smokey
04-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Rumor is Packers are looking to trade the Browns for Colt McCoy.

This makes good sense for both parties. Packers did a servicable backup and McCoy gets the time he needs to sit back and learn the game. McCarthy's quarterback school can only benefit him.

johbur
04-28-2012, 01:39 AM
Rumor is Packers are looking to trade the Browns for Colt McCoy.

This makes good sense for both parties. Packers did a servicable backup and McCoy gets the time he needs to sit back and learn the game. McCarthy's quarterback school can only benefit him.

I was just thinking that after Asante Samuel garnered only a 7th rounder that Colt McCoy would be worth a going after from 5th down.

jackalope
05-01-2012, 06:57 PM
It's going to be really interesting to watch BJ Coleman play in the preseason. He had no talent surrounding him at Tennessee-Chattanooga, so the leap to the NFL (even the borderline roster guys he'll face) is going to be huge. I'd love to see him earn a roster spot, but if he ends up on the practice squad, that would also be really good for him.

BloodBrother
05-02-2012, 11:05 AM
DL depth will be tested early on

No Neal for first 4 games and No Hargrove for the first 8

Gonna be asking a lot of the rookies(Worthy and Daniels) early on. Hope they are ready

PackerLegend
05-02-2012, 12:28 PM
Atleast its only May 2nd.. lots of time to make a move to address it if TT feels its necessary.

Sportsfan486
05-02-2012, 12:33 PM
I know some of you guys still have some level of hope for Mike Neal left; I consider him done and wouldn't be shocked to see him cut before the season.

Hargrove 8 games is a bummer but at least we'll get to see, early, what we've got in Worthy!

BloodBrother
05-02-2012, 01:04 PM
Doesnt' make sense to cut either before the season. Both guys don't count against the final roster since they are on suspensions, so the Pack can roll in with likely 6 DL between Pickett, Raji, Worthy, Daniels, Muir, Wilson, Wynn, Guy

once Neal is able to return, maybe they keep 7 DL. 8 games in they'll know how their Dline is and whether Hargrove is needed or not. NEver know if somebody on the line suffers an injury or not.

SuperPacker
05-02-2012, 01:36 PM
Ok guys, im planning on getting my first packers jersey for my birthday in a few months, but i dont have a clue who to get on the back. Woodson is probably my favourite player, but he's old so he wont be playing for us in a few years. Any suggestions?

princefielder28
05-02-2012, 01:39 PM
Ok guys, im planning on getting my first packers jersey for my birthday in a few months, but i dont have a clue who to get on the back. Woodson is probably my favourite player, but he's old so he wont be playing for us in a few years. Any suggestions?

I would say go the safe route and get Rodgers

TimmG6376
05-02-2012, 01:42 PM
PPS has replica jerseys on clearance. I ordered a Collins jersey in tribute and will where it this season.

SuperPacker
05-02-2012, 01:43 PM
I would say go the safe route and get Rodgers

That's too mainstream! Everyone has Rodgers.

But then other than him, i dont see anyone that i love or im certain will be here for a long time. I thought about Cobb, Shields, Woodson and Jennings, but they all have their floors.

eaglesalltheway
05-02-2012, 02:10 PM
Why not get Matthews, he's young, elite, and a defensive guy, so you don't look like the tools who just where skill position jerseys. If I were a fan of the Packers he'd be #1 on my jersey list.

senormysterioso
05-02-2012, 02:16 PM
Jordy Nelson is the answer!

SuperPacker
05-02-2012, 02:18 PM
You're right about Matthews. Dont know why i didnt consider him.

I think i'll either get Woodson or Matthews, probably edging towards Woodson and having it as a tribute once he retires. It would be nice to have it when he gets in the HoF as well.

I wanted to get Perry, but he could obviously bust :/

SuperPacker
05-02-2012, 02:19 PM
Jordy Nelson is the answer!

I dont like 87, i know, im picky! :D

Pack_Attack_4
05-02-2012, 06:55 PM
How much r the new nike jersys

I hav 4 reebock jersys (Hawk n Favre witch i dont really wear that much and i have A Rod n Matthews)

Pack_Attack_4
05-02-2012, 07:01 PM
That's too mainstream! Everyone has Rodgers.

But then other than him, i dont see anyone that i love or im certain will be here for a long time. I thought about Cobb, Shields, Woodson and Jennings, but they all have their floors.

U cant go wrong with getting the jersy of the best player in the NFL

PackerLegend
05-03-2012, 12:30 PM
Ok guys, im planning on getting my first packers jersey for my birthday in a few months, but i dont have a clue who to get on the back. Woodson is probably my favourite player, but he's old so he wont be playing for us in a few years. Any suggestions?

Get Finely.... Jk I know u hate him. Id pick from these and most are pretty safe. Rodgers, Jennings, Raji, Matthews, Woodson and Williams.

Sloopy
05-05-2012, 11:36 AM
Hey guys, I'm looking for some information about your secondary.

Both Woodson and Williams seemed to produce very well last year (I know Woodson was in the slot but still) and passed the eye test. However, your team placed dead last in opponents passing yards per game. What is the deal?

I could see Woodson moving to safety next year, but it doesn't take away from him and I can't really see any glaring holes or players who need to be replaced.

Was the opponents passing yards per game just because they were always down early and in big holes, thus passing early and often?

What is the deal? Just doesn't seem to add up.

Pack_Attack_4
05-05-2012, 12:19 PM
Hey guys, I'm looking for some information about your secondary.

Both Woodson and Williams seemed to produce very well last year (I know Woodson was in the slot but still) and passed the eye test. However, your team placed dead last in opponents passing yards per game. What is the deal?

I could see Woodson moving to safety next year, but it doesn't take away from him and I can't really see any glaring holes or players who need to be replaced.

Was the opponents passing yards per game just because they were always down early and in big holes, thus passing early and often?

What is the deal? Just doesn't seem to add up.

Losing nick collins erly in the year n Lack of pass rush besides Matthews n us being up on teams all contributed to us havin a bad pass Def.

SuperPacker
05-05-2012, 02:00 PM
Why did our secondary and pass defense suck?

1. Opposite Clay Matthews we had no one. Teams would just double team on Clay and we would get no pass rush. Therefore making it nearly impossible for the secondary to do their job.

2. Losing Nick Collins in the second game of the season was a big blow. Peprah was decent at best and Burnett was basically a rookie in his first season. Moving Woodson back there to replace Collins would be a positive thing for the secondary IMO.

3. Tramon Williams took a step back, because of his shoulder injury, which apparently was a lot worse than was first realised. His was our #1 corner and opposite him we had Woodson who isn't the best coverer and Sam Shields who was only in his 2nd year of playing cornerback.

cvv84
05-05-2012, 08:10 PM
Losing Cullen Jenkins also really hurt. Our entire defensive line was a disappointment IMO. Pickett was invisible all year, Raji ran hot and cold, and Mike Neal got injured again. Jenkins basically was our opposite pass rusher from Matthews.

TimmG6376
05-05-2012, 08:58 PM
I agree that the DL was disappointing overall last year.

Pickett is not a pass rusher. Not his game. I'm hoping a couple guys really emerge at DE so that Pickett and Raji can rotate at NT. I think both are better suited there and they bring different skillsets to the position.

Off and on both Raji and Pickett have been forced to play DE and I don't think that is where they fit best. Rotating them at NT would keep them both fresh, but for that to happen some of these other guys need to establish themselves as viable options at DE.

SuperPacker
05-06-2012, 07:24 AM
Hopefully Jerel Worthy and Mike Daniels can do that. In obvious pass situations we could even put both Daniels and Worthy in for Raji and Pickett. They wouldn't have to do much to get more pas rush than them.

Our 3rd down defense could be very quick and have great pass rush potential. Just swap Raji and Pickett for Worthy and Daniels and Terrell Manning for DJ Smith and we have 7 pass rushers on the field.

Sportsfan486
05-06-2012, 03:39 PM
Okay. I keep seeing articles that hit on a pet peeve of mine and I want to discuss it.

The 3-4. The Packers don't run it. Why do people not get this? The 3-4 is our <b>sub</b> package. Our base package is, and will continue to be, a 2-4-5.

I've seen this misconstrued so many times in draft articles it's ridiculous. "Oh, Mike Daniels and Jerel Worthy are really more of penetrating DTs; they don't project well to 3-4 DE. Bad fit for the Packers."
Umm.. we play over 75% of the snaps with two DTs and no DEs. They line up over guards, not tackles. They are far more similar to 2 and/or 3 gap DTs in a 4-3 than any position in a traditional 3-4. Sometimes we play 3-4... sometimes being somewhere between uncommonly and never from game to game.

By the moves TT has made this offseason, it's pretty clear we'll continue in that direction.

Can we start a petition to stop calling the Packers D a 3-4 and start calling it a 2-4-5? It's far more accurate and maybe then the ignorant "experts" that don't even know how our defense lines up and plays will stop making ignorant articles.

cvv84
05-06-2012, 09:17 PM
I agree that the DL was disappointing overall last year.

Pickett is not a pass rusher. Not his game. I'm hoping a couple guys really emerge at DE so that Pickett and Raji can rotate at NT. I think both are better suited there and they bring different skillsets to the position.

Off and on both Raji and Pickett have been forced to play DE and I don't think that is where they fit best. Rotating them at NT would keep them both fresh, but for that to happen some of these other guys need to establish themselves as viable options at DE.

Nobody called Pickett a pass rusher.

cvv84
05-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Okay. I keep seeing articles that hit on a pet peeve of mine and I want to discuss it.

The 3-4. The Packers don't run it. Why do people not get this? The 3-4 is our <b>sub</b> package. Our base package is, and will continue to be, a 2-4-5.

I've seen this misconstrued so many times in draft articles it's ridiculous. "Oh, Mike Daniels and Jerel Worthy are really more of penetrating DTs; they don't project well to 3-4 DE. Bad fit for the Packers."
Umm.. we play over 75% of the snaps with two DTs and no DEs. They line up over guards, not tackles. They are far more similar to 2 and/or 3 gap DTs in a 4-3 than any position in a traditional 3-4. Sometimes we play 3-4... sometimes being somewhere between uncommonly and never from game to game.

By the moves TT has made this offseason, it's pretty clear we'll continue in that direction.

Can we start a petition to stop calling the Packers D a 3-4 and start calling it a 2-4-5? It's far more accurate and maybe then the ignorant "experts" that don't even know how our defense lines up and plays will stop making ignorant articles.

Right. I believe it was Thompson who said that we're basically running a nickel 3-4 defense this year which is suits a guy like Daniels game. Worthy can play both roles but IMO he's more geared as a base 3-4 DE.

Pack_Attack_4
05-08-2012, 04:11 PM
Charles Woodson is willing to play either safety or cornerback this year, wherever the team needs him. But Woodson sounds like he thinks the Packers still need him more at cornerback.

Woodson said in an interview on ESPN 540 in Milwaukee that hed be happy to move to safety if thats where he needs to go, but hes not sure who would take his place at cornerback.

I think that it comes down to what the other guys are going to be able to do as far as the cornerback position is concerned, Woodson said. If one of those guys can take over that role and make the plays that need to be made at corner . . . with Nick Collins leaving, [and if] they need me to play safety, Im not opposed to that. But I think that we have to make sure that cornerback position is going to be solidified and were comfortable with who is going to be out there at the corner.

It remains to be seen whether second-round rookie Casey Hayward is ready to start at cornerback as a rookie, but Woodson said he was thrilled the Packers used their first six draft picks on defense.

Last year, the way it went down and how poorly defensively we played, Woodson said, it was evident that we needed some extra push. So I was very excited.

SuperPacker
05-08-2012, 04:16 PM
It was annoying when Woodson was saying that it was nice for us to forget about BAP. He musn't understand what BAP is.

Other people are saying it as well and it really pisses me off.

princefielder28
05-08-2012, 05:03 PM
With Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, and Davon House behind Woodson I think it'll be in our defense's best interest to have either Hayward or House on the field with Woodson in nickel situations over having Peprah on the field

TimmG6376
05-09-2012, 04:25 AM
Right. I believe it was Thompson who said that we're basically running a nickel 3-4 defense this year which is suits a guy like Daniels game. Worthy can play both roles but IMO he's more geared as a base 3-4 DE.

Yeah, there are definitely some mixed signals though. Shortly after the season both McCarthy and Capers made public comments indicating that they perhaps used that package too much this past season. They stated that they wanted to play more base 3-4 this season. That doesn't really seem to match with the defensive linemen they drafted though. Perhaps after further review they concluded that it wasn't so much the nickel package that was the issue, but rather the players in that package.

In reality if the offense continues to put up numbers at the pace they did last season they won't have an option other than to play a lot of nickel again because teams will be throwing to catch up/keep up.

Pack_Attack_4
05-09-2012, 12:51 PM
I really think our D is gonna be alot better this year n i like the 2-4-5. keep Raji n Pickett on first n second down and putt Wothly n Daniels on third down, Now with Caly n Perry hopefully we get the pass rush we need. I really dont wanna see Woodson move to Safety he does soo much in the slot he can blitz, hes a solid tackler and hes still one of the better cover guys on our team, I really think thats the best spot for him to make the big plays we need on D.

Pack_Attack_4
05-10-2012, 11:25 PM
Packers sign 2nd round pick Jerel Worthy

Pack_Attack_4
05-11-2012, 01:01 PM
All draft pick sign according to PFT except Perry.

SuperPacker
05-11-2012, 01:40 PM
And 14 UDFA's.

Dale Moss is the most exciting.

princefielder28
05-11-2012, 01:41 PM
one of the great things about this new CBA is that we no longer have to worry about dealing with rookie deals as training camp approaches; it's all slotted, no headaches, and everyone gets in camp on time.

cvv84
05-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Perry signs, making all 2012 draft picks under contract.

Pack_Attack_4
05-12-2012, 10:53 AM
one of the great things about this new CBA is that we no longer have to worry about dealing with rookie deals as training camp approaches; it's all slotted, no headaches, and everyone gets in camp on time.
I love that theres no hold outs.

Pack_Attack_4
05-14-2012, 10:51 AM
I hate this time of the year between the draft and when camp starts.

Pack_Attack_4
05-15-2012, 10:38 AM
I saw a pic yesterday of Mike Mcarthy,Rodgers,Matthews,Rob Davis, Edger Bennett with DD at the danceing with the stars. Good to see them all soporting DD. But the this morning i read a article saying that DD prob wont be on the team next season due to his poor production last year. I know Jennings Jordy Cobb Jones r all better tahn him at this point in his carear, but hes still a very good back up n is a mentor for all the younger guys. I know hes taking less money to stay in GB. Do u guys think will will actually let him go?

mqtirishfan
05-15-2012, 10:57 AM
I'm sure it will depend entirely on Gurley's progress. If Gurley proves to be a better option than Driver, I'm sure they'll cut Driver.

SuperPacker
05-15-2012, 12:34 PM
If we go 6 receivers we could see DD staying, but i don't think the Packers try so hard to keep Gurley just to have him on the PS this season. I definitely think he'll be on the roster.

TimmG6376
05-15-2012, 01:02 PM
If I'm Gurley and I don't make the roster this year, I'm not passing on another opportunity when someone else comes along to poach the PS.

cuzifelt1ikeit
05-15-2012, 03:15 PM
whats everyone's thoughts on jolly getting released? say he gets reinstated.. think we would want him back?

princefielder28
05-15-2012, 05:43 PM
Donald may not have been productive as in prior years but the number of snaps he took were down and when he was in the games he was a reliable target for Rodgers to go to; was actually our best option in the playoff loss to the Giants...I think it'd be a mistake to let him go

Pack_Attack_4
05-15-2012, 09:03 PM
Donald may not have been productive as in prior years but the number of snaps he took were down and when he was in the games he was a reliable target for Rodgers to go to; was actually our best option in the playoff loss to the Giants...I think it'd be a mistake to let him go

I totally agree i think hes a solid 5th wr. plus Finly will get alot of balls at WR so Drivers really like our 6th WR

Mufasa
05-15-2012, 09:08 PM
I totally agree i think hes a solid 5th wr. plus Finly will get alot of balls at WR so Drivers really like our 6th WR

You don't pay 6th WRs $5 million.

TimmG6376
05-16-2012, 08:50 AM
It all comes down to whether they believe Gurley and/or Borel to be the real deal. If they do, as much as I like Driver, it makes no sense to keep a 37 year old WR, pay him $5 mil, and let a promising young player walk.

McCarthy says it is a young man's game. You need vets but you can't hang on to them in the twilight of their career at the expense of replenishing your roster with young talent. QBs might be the lone exception to that philosophy.

PackerLegend
05-16-2012, 12:23 PM
If we really had nobody behind Driver then yes obviously cut his pay and keep him. Everyone knew this time would come and while its extremely hard we just can't keep him around. It makes us all extremely sad to have to do this to a guy like DD.... but we currently have to many young guys who have shown to much. We can't risk losing them and possibly there 8+ years of prime production for a guy who is on the decline with about 2-3 years. He sad he wants to play till 40.

SuperPacker
05-16-2012, 12:25 PM
It's pretty obvious we like Gurley, we wouldn't of tried so hard to keep him otherwise. Driver will most likely be cut. It'll be sad, but what can you do?

Pack_Attack_4
05-17-2012, 03:32 PM
Is Gurley really gonna be better than Driver next season?

Pack_Attack_4
05-17-2012, 03:33 PM
You don't pay 6th WRs $5 million.

Driver is only making 2.6 mill next season

Mufasa
05-17-2012, 04:11 PM
Driver is only making 2.6 mill next season

That's just his base salary. He also has $0.2 million in workout bonuses, and a $1.5 million in roster bonus due July 25th. So you'll know by then if he's on the team or not. I think some of his signing bonus would also count against the cap this year bringing it over $5 million. At the least, he's set to make $4.3 million this year under his current contract.

mqtirishfan
05-17-2012, 04:17 PM
Driver is only making 2.6 mill next season

You don't pay 6th WRs that, either.

TimmG6376
05-18-2012, 08:38 AM
Is Gurley really gonna be better than Driver next season?

Probably not, but will he be a better in 2-3 years when Driver is 40? Probably...and where will Gurley be if Driver is kept instead? Not likely playing for the Packers.

Let's also not forget that there is now a former member of the Packer front office who is a GM for the Raiders. I don't think they'll get away with stashing guys on the PS.

BloodBrother
05-18-2012, 09:00 AM
You don't pay 6th WRs that, either.

Drive will have to take a pay cut obviously, and I have no doubt that he would in order to stay. We'll see how things go

on another note, good luck to DD in the finals of Dancing with the stars lol

cvv84
05-19-2012, 08:12 PM
Donald may not have been productive as in prior years but the number of snaps he took were down and when he was in the games he was a reliable target for Rodgers to go to; was actually our best option in the playoff loss to the Giants...I think it'd be a mistake to let him go

I agree. He obviously need to take a pay cut along with a reduced role but his veteran leadership is invaluable to the younger guys.


Borel and Gurley aren't the next Victor Cruz. They're nice Ruvell Martin type guys but thats all. We already have Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb, and Finley are the primary targets this season and D.J. Williams will hopefully provide something as well. Keeping Driver rounds out our targets and gives us a veteran insurance policy if we lose one of our top 4 WRs.