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princefielder28
10-24-2012, 08:40 AM
Greg Jennings is going to see a groin specialist today

PackerLegend
10-24-2012, 09:00 AM
As long as we make it through without Jennings this could actually be a good thing. Driving his price down after the year somewhat

princefielder28
10-24-2012, 09:03 AM
As long as we make it through without Jennings this could actually be a good thing. Driving his price down after the year somewhat

His price won't go down all too much...look at Vincent Jackson last year; he was constantly banged up but once he hit free agency Tampa wasn't afraid to throw money at him and for a true #1 WR to hit the market is a rare thing and Greg will get paid big bucks by someone

BloodBrother
10-25-2012, 08:56 AM
So, Jennings may have a sports hernia. Jesus

Already have Woodson out 4-6 weeks. Jennings would be out around the same time if he indeed have a sports hernia and needed surgery. Add in Perry, Shields, and Raji still likely out. They need to get to the bye week fast

PackerLegend
10-25-2012, 09:03 AM
Well if there is any positive its that its a good time to happen. We need these guys in the end, and we have the Jags, Cards and bye. That's a pretty favorable stretch for us to have them out resting. Not to mention their all home games.

ImBrotherCain
10-25-2012, 09:07 AM
So, Jennings may have a sports hernia. Jesus

Already have Woodson out 4-6 weeks. Jennings would be out around the same time if he indeed have a sports hernia and needed surgery. Add in Perry, Shields, and Raji still likely out. They need to get to the bye week fast

Packerz haz injuriezzzz...

In all seriousness though I really like to see us start to put it together the last few weeks despite the injuries. If my memory serves me correctly we were pretty decimated when we won the Super Bowl... Maybe the team just has to be broken.

mqtirishfan
10-25-2012, 09:29 AM
So, Jennings may have a sports hernia. Jesus



A sports hernia misdiagnosed as a groin pull has to be the most common and obnoxious diagnosis ever. I went 2 years in high school before someone finally stopped sending me to PT for a groin strain.

BloodBrother
10-25-2012, 01:25 PM
Well, McCarthy never specified if Jennings indeed has a sports hernia or not, but said that Jennings was given 2 options. Continue his treatment/rehab or go for surgery. Whichever he decides won't change his timetable. McCarthy said they are looking at the same time frame with or without surgery. Jennings will speak with the team and decide which way he wants to go

Raji returned to practice today(limited) but was jumping around and looking like his old self, so that's good news

The bad news, Jordy didn't practice today and he won't practice tomorrow. HE's never dealt with a hamstring injury so they are taking it slow. He'll test it out on Sat or Sunday. Looks more and more like he'll be a game time decision. Thank god they face the Jags inept offense as the Pack may be without NElson and obviously Jennings on Sunday. Might be the game where they need Finley to step it up

as usual, Perry and Shields were held out of practice and look to be OUT this week

man, and to think, after the first 4 or so games this year, the team was relatively very healthy and I thought maybe THIS year they'd avoid a barrage of injuries to important players. Silly me for thinking that. The bright side is that they are AT LEAST avoiding(so far) season ending injuries. Just need to get to that bye week already

BloodBrother
10-25-2012, 01:39 PM
the wonderful world of twitter. Shortly after McCarthy's presser, we finally get the full diagnosis

Jennings will indeed be getting surgery for an abdominal tear. Surgery will take place next Tuesday. NOT season ending.

Schefter reporting that the Packers are expecting the surgery to sideline Jennings ONLY 3 weeks. That's highly encouraging and sounds like a best case scenario, IMO. Either way, I think it's safe to say he'll be out at least until Week 12

PackerLegend
10-26-2012, 12:25 PM
Brett Goode signed a 3 year extension. Championship!

J-Mike88
10-27-2012, 09:07 PM
I'm excited to (hopefully) see some of Jarrett Boykin. Guy looked great in preseason, from Gram Harrell.

I think he can do great things with Rodgers at the trigger.

Also excited to see Driver get some action.

princefielder28
10-29-2012, 08:09 PM
James Starks needs to be given the chance to be this team's every down back. Alex Green has been shaky in his first three starts, and while James may not be the most exciting back, he did lead the backfield during our Super Bowl run and there's something to be said about that.

J-Mike88
10-29-2012, 08:10 PM
James Starks needs to be given the chance to be this team's every down back. Alex Green has been shaky in his first three starts, and while James may not be the most exciting back, he did lead the backfield during our Super Bowl run and there's something to be said about that.
TRUE.... although he's really only shown he can last about 5, 6 straight games.

princefielder28
10-29-2012, 08:21 PM
TRUE.... although he's really only shown he can last about 5, 6 straight games.

I'd rather see what we have in him for five or six games instead of continuing to go with less than mediocrity at the position. I think Alex Green still has potential for this team down the road, but he's currently not a suitable starter.

J-Mike88
10-29-2012, 09:38 PM
The B*tch Sandy Delays Jennings Return

Greg Jennings was scheduled to undergo sports hernia surgery for a torn abdominal muscle in Philadelphia on Tuesday, but coach Mike McCarthy said Monday it was postponed because of the superstorm Sandy on the East Coast.

"Exactly when he will go? That has not been determined yet," McCarthy said.

PackerLegend
11-04-2012, 10:27 AM
There's a show called packer nation and I watched a but of it.. Finely just happened to be on it. God he is dumb, surprise surprise right.

J-Mike88
11-07-2012, 06:57 PM
Nick Perry IR'd, his season is done.

Deja Vu all over again, like 2010. Can we have the same outcome?

Win a road Wildcard game.
Then win at #1 Atlanta.
Then win at #2 Chicago?
Then win the Super Bowl in an NFC dome?

BloodBrother
11-07-2012, 08:37 PM
With Perry placed on IR, Quarless was activated off the PUP list

Dezman Moses has shown some ability to get to the QB, but this still hurts their pass rush. PFF had a positive grade on Perry when it came to his pass rushing ability. Walden has been much improved over last year when it comes to playing the run, but he is still awful at rushing the QB

I wouldn't be upset if the Pack took another OLB in next years draft. They could use as many LBers as they can get. Improve the LB play and the D will improve. They need a playmaker at ILB as well as a legitimate threat opposite Clay

princefielder28
11-08-2012, 08:40 AM
To be honest I'm not overly concerned about losing Perry. It's unfortunate for him but in terms of what he brings to the football field, we have guys who can fill his role. Walden can be utilized on the early downs and Moses can be given his chance on passing downs. Linebacker needs to be a position that Teddy invests some early picks in because outside of Clay we simply have no one at the position who can get to the quarterback regularly.

maybe we should try Ryan Taylor at OLB, who knows haha

TimmG6376
11-08-2012, 12:38 PM
Walden has been a pleasant surprise. Zombo could also get back into the mix. He's been out for so long though not sure how much help he can provide. Regardless can't afford to be without Clay for very long. He's not replaceable.

J-Mike88
11-08-2012, 10:59 PM
Rodgers doesn't have a single home playoff win yet.... and if we don't pass the Bears up, and settle for the 5 seed, he still won't by next year at age 29. Pretty interesting.... but again let's have a repeat of the 2010 playoff road if that's the case.

I don't like our weather at home in January, not condusive to our style, our strengths as a juggernaut.

mqtirishfan
11-08-2012, 11:57 PM
Rodgers doesn't have a single home playoff win yet.... and if we don't pass the Bears up, and settle for the 5 seed, he still won't by next year at age 29. Pretty interesting.... but again let's have a repeat of the 2010 playoff road if that's the case.

I don't like our weather at home in January, not condusive to our style, our strengths as a juggernaut.

Hasn't he only played one home playoff game?

princefielder28
11-09-2012, 08:22 AM
According to the Press Gazette, Bulaga could miss the remainder of the season.

J-Mike88
11-09-2012, 08:53 AM
According to the Press Gazette, Bulaga could miss the remainder of the season.
As soon as I saw that replay, and Aikman mentioned the "Bo Jackson injury", I feared Bulaga's season was done.

Another f**** fluke injury for this team that takes a great guy off the field for us, like last year Nick Collins on a fluke play.

I'm tired of it. Except Houston last year with their 1 & 2 QB, I can't think of any contending team who has had worse luck with injuries than us, both this year and in 2010.

Hasn't he only played one home playoff game?
Yep that's right.

BloodBrother
11-12-2012, 11:19 AM
According to the Press Gazette, Bulaga could miss the remainder of the season.

Yeah, rumors are it's a dislocated hip. Guess we will find out soon enough. I think McCarthy has a presser today

man, they cannot lose another Olineman the rest of the way. EDS is now the RG and that guy just isn't that good(at least, he wasn't last year). Sherrod sounds like he won't be ready to return this year, though it sounds like they are trying to give him a chance with the 3 week window to return to practice off the PUP list

BloodBrother
11-12-2012, 12:11 PM
welp, now it's official. Bulaga to IR sigh

Packers signed OLB Vic So'oto to replace Bulaga on the 53 man roster

bringing So'oto back today tells me that isn't a good sign for Clay playing this weekend. Their OLB's this sunday could be Walden, Moses, Zombo and So'oto. Yuck

bigboiajhawk
11-12-2012, 02:29 PM
welp, now it's official. Bulaga to IR sigh

Packers signed OLB Vic So'oto to replace Bulaga on the 53 man roster

bringing So'oto back today tells me that isn't a good sign for Clay playing this weekend. Their OLB's this sunday could be Walden, Moses, Zombo and So'oto. Yuck

Man - this just hasn't been the Packers year. Luckily, we still have some depth. I mean, EDS is no TJ Lang at LG, but he is also isn't a slouch.

OLB depth is still there. I personally like Moses more than Walden when it comes to rushing the QB. Walden has been a beast in coverage this year. I wouldn't mind seeing So'oto get a chance; the guy has all the size/speed/strength in the world to get to the quarterback.

I think though, our team (specifically the defense) is built for this. It seems like we have decent enough dbacks to make up for a lack of pass rush this year. We just really need Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, BJ Raji, and Mike Daniels to apply some pressure. It wouldn't surprise me if that is where the emphasis is put these next couple of weeks.

As long as the OL doesn't get Arod hurt, I still feel with as ****** of a defense as we had last year, we can still win games with just our offense.

Here is to optimism.

BloodBrother
11-13-2012, 09:12 AM
Oh I'm still optimistic....they just need their impact players back for the playoff push

good news is that Jordy, Kuhn, Jerel Worthy and Sam Shields all returned to practice yesterday, so they are all good to go. All they have left is JEnnings/Woodson/Benson who are still multiple weeks away, and hopefully Clay is only going to miss THIS weeks game

Like I have maintained ever since they fell to 2-3...they can afford likely 2 more losses the rest of the way.

J-Mike88
11-13-2012, 11:13 AM
I'm sick of the bullschit injuries. Our last 3 first round picks (plus Clay who was our last 1st rounder in 2009) are all hurt:

Perry (2012)
Sherrod (2011)
Bulaga (2010)
Matthews (2009)

Plus 2nd rounders Jennings, Jordy, Nick Collins..... not to mention BOTH starting WILB's in Bishop & DJ Smith, Sam Shields...... WTF?

Who's missing from the Niner defense?
Bears defense?

TimmG6376
11-13-2012, 04:56 PM
Ryan Taylor was fined 21K for blocking too hard. (http://www.packersnews.com/article/20121113/PKR0101/121113034/Taylor-docked-21-000-block-Arizona-s-Johnson?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE% 7Cp)

:grrrrrr:

BloodBrother
11-14-2012, 01:27 PM
As expected, Clay is going to miss this weeks game

McCarthy just said they'll see how he is next week

some positive news

- Jordy was a full participant and is fine. Kuhn is fine. Shields was limited today

- Woodson is a lot closer than anybody thought he'd be at this time. Same with Greg Jennings(this is great to hear)

PackerLegend
11-14-2012, 02:57 PM
Hey if Danny Amendola could return as quickly as he did that gave me hope Woodwind could as well!

I miss seeing our full healthy set of WRs! I hope Jennings is close as well.

Sucks about Matthews hope its not to long.

J-Mike88
11-14-2012, 07:09 PM
Rodgers said he wants to lure Clifton back..... we have NO depth at OT now... and with our luck, two more OL guys will go down.....

BloodBrother
11-14-2012, 09:24 PM
No thanks on Cliffy. He looked done last season and he hasn't played at all this year. If they brought him back, their OL depth is in even worse shape than I thought

J-Mike88
11-14-2012, 09:46 PM
No thanks on Cliffy. He looked done last season and he hasn't played at all this year. If they brought him back, their OL depth is in even worse shape than I thought
If we get one more injury at OT, who do you have coming in?
Two more, then who?
Rodgers seems to trust Clifton more than whoever that is. It's his life at stake so I tend to believe him..... but who knows what condition Chad is in.

What a bunch of schit though because Teddy's 2011 & 2010 first round picks were both on OT's. Bad luck again.

princefielder28
11-15-2012, 08:11 AM
I'm fearful of how this Sunday is going to play out with being on the road following a bye with so many key injuries.

J-Mike88
11-15-2012, 08:20 AM
I'm fearful of how this Sunday is going to play out with being on the road following a bye with so many key injuries.
Me too amigo.
And while things seem rosey in the standings now, a loss at Detroit would put our backs up against the wall, and we'd be fighting like hell, with about 6 other teams, for a wildcard spot coming down the stretch.

A win, and we'd be like 90% of making the playoffs.

BloodBrother
11-19-2012, 03:32 PM
Finally, a game without any big injury news the day after

Raji left the game yesterday with a hurt ankle but MM said today it's not as bad as the last ankle sprain he had(which caused him to miss 2 games). So no big deal

otherwise, same old same old with the other guys. Won't find out until Wed on Matthews availability, etc

J-Mike88
11-19-2012, 06:13 PM
Sounds like the Packers brass is happy with Crosby and confident in him going forward. Hard to imagine what they're seeing in him that the rest of the world is not. Maybe he's staying in his proper lane assignments on kickoff coverage? WTF!

“I’ll address the field goal situation,” McCarthy said. “Mason’s got to put the ball through the uprights. That’s something that we’ve got to do a better job of. I thought Mason had a very good week of work; didn’t hit it today the way he needs to hit it, but we’ll continue with Mason. We will not blink as far as our commitment to him.”
Nate Kaeding ALSO has the CHOKE GENE. NO thanks on him.
In such circumstances, many teams bring in kickers for workouts, and others even will make a midseason change, depending on their history with the kicker and who’s available on the street.

There’s at least one accomplished kicker available in Nate Kaeding, who was released by San Diego off injured reserve in late October. Kaeding had a groin injury but said at the time of his release he was ready to play. The 30-year-old has made an outstanding 87.0 percent of his career field goal attempts, but he was only 8-for-15 in eight playoff games, including three misses in a 17-14 loss to the New York Jets in 2010 and a 40-yarder that would have won the game against the Jets in 2004.
“I thought that probably the best part about that dip (in ’09) was we supported him,” McCarthy said. “It’s just like anything in life professionally: You have the opportunity to work with an individual every day and you see what they’re about — their mentality, their commitment, their preparation leading up to it. I have no reasons not to believe in him. Now, I can see your pens are all writing and I understand he’s missing kicks in games. The bottom line is this is about performance on Sundays, and I have all of the confidence that Mason’s going to get that back, because we need him.”

princefielder28
11-19-2012, 06:52 PM
I'm tired of Mason's futility as well, but the coaching staff is taking the correct approach with him. We're roughly two-thirds of the way into the season and there's not gonna be some magical fix in the free agency market when it comes to landing a kicker. We just have to pray to God that he figures it out before he costs us big time in the postseason.

BloodBrother
11-20-2012, 08:14 PM
Jermichael Finley finally does something this past week and now he's back to flapping his gums, as usual

"Both of us need to just go out, maybe have a drink or two and just spill everything," Finley said of him and Rodgers. "It sounds easy, but it's not. He's throwing it to who he's comfortable with.

"I think (Randall) Cobb's taken my position from '09. I want to line up where Cobb's lining up because I know the ball's coming there.

"But me and 12 just ain't been on. He's had some guys come through this year, and he's gone to them instead of me. And really, it's out of my hands at the end of the day. If I could throw myself the ball and run under it, I'd do it every play because he's just not throwing me the ball like he used to."

Finley knows his time in Green Bay may be short. The Packers signed Finley to a two-year deal in February that pays him $8.25 million in 2013, including $6.25 million in bonuses before the season starts.

Finley was asked where he thinks he'll be playing in next season.

"I love that question man," Finley said. "I don't know. All I know is I have talent. And if Green Bay decides to do something with me, I'm 25 years old. I got a decade under my belt, yet. Who knows at the end of the day?"

Can't believe I used to be excited about this guy and ignored all the question marks about his maturity/personality. HE really is that dumb.

PackerLegend
11-20-2012, 08:38 PM
God Finely could be so ******* good. He is just so ******* dumb... I don't think I can stand him even if he starts catching everything thrown his way. He is almost like a cancer.

princefielder28
11-20-2012, 08:45 PM
Finley just needs to GTFO

mqtirishfan
11-20-2012, 09:34 PM
And really, it's out of my hands at the end of the day.

Probably because he dropped it.

J-Mike88
11-21-2012, 06:58 AM
How do I change my user name!!!!

princefielder28
11-21-2012, 08:17 AM
How do I change my user name!!!!

send a private message to Shane or D-Unit, I'm sure they'll help you out with that

BloodBrother
11-21-2012, 01:23 PM
Clay is doubtful for Sunday...so looks like he'll be out another week

and look at this, another Packer player has a more "serious" injury than first thought. Sam Shields had a setback and will be out a "couple weeks" with an ankle injury. It was worse than they anticipated

Seriously, he had to have some sort of fracture or something. He's missed around 5 weeks now and is now going to miss an additional 2-3 weeks at the least

Greg Jennings did some drills today and caught passes, but he won't be ready this week. Woodson didn't practice so he's obviously not ready either. Basically, nothing has changed on the injury front. Jennings, Woodson, Shields still sound like they are at least 2-3 weeks away from returning...and who knows how much longer Clay will be out

J-Mike88
11-21-2012, 06:12 PM
Clay is doubtful for Sunday...so looks like he'll be out another week

and look at this, another Packer player has a more "serious" injury than first thought. Sam Shields had a setback and will be out a "couple weeks" with an ankle injury. It was worse than they anticipated

Seriously, he had to have some sort of fracture or something. He's missed around 5 weeks now and is now going to miss an additional 2-3 weeks at the least

Greg Jennings did some drills today and caught passes, but he won't be ready this week. Woodson didn't practice so he's obviously not ready either. Basically, nothing has changed on the injury front. Jennings, Woodson, Shields still sound like they are at least 2-3 weeks away from returning...and who knows how much longer Clay will be out
Sounds like they're saving everyone for the playoffs.... hope they can get 100% healthy, and last 3 or 4 games.

Team Photo released. Check this out if it will post here:
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BloodBrother
11-21-2012, 07:33 PM
And Cedric Benson may still need foot surgery, which would obviously mean he's done for the year. He's able to return from the IR/reserved to return on Dec 9th but don't hold your breathe

J-Mike88
11-22-2012, 08:34 AM
And Cedric Benson may still need foot surgery, which would obviously mean he's done for the year. He's able to return from the IR/reserved to return on Dec 9th but don't hold your breathe
Yeah that is, was a weird deal.... someone else in the NFL (can't remember who), suffered a Lisfranc right at the same time as him, same week or within a week, and they immediately put the guy on IR and he had surgery. I was wondering how we got a rare lucky break and wondered why Benson didn't need surgery for us.

Schuab had the Lisfranc last year too which ended his season. He did it on a simple QB sneak.... weird injuries these things.


Rookie Mike Daniels, with 7½ pressures (total of sacks, knockdowns and hurries), has the position's highest ratio of pressures per play.

Daniels has one pressure for every 16.6 snaps, followed by Neal (one/17.3), Raji (one/62.4), Wilson (one/66.3), Worthy (one/76.2) and Ryan Pickett (one/110.7).

"The best thing that Mike has done is, with limited opportunities, he has made the most of them," said Trgovac. "Mike Daniels is just a good, steady football player."

Daniels, 6 feet ½ inch and 294 pounds, also has produced against the run. He ranks third on the unit in tackles per snap with one every 13.5, behind Pickett (one/7.6) and Wilson (one/7.7) but ahead of Neal (one/14.4), Raji (one/17.2) and Worthy (one/21.4).

princefielder28
11-26-2012, 06:24 PM
I wonder how Ryan Grant is doing health-wise....

TimmG6376
11-26-2012, 06:59 PM
I've never been a fan of our backup plan at offensive line. Seems to me that moving our starting LG to RT and bringing in a backup G/C only weakens the offensive line at two positions instead of one. I know there aren't a whole lot of other options this season but it would be nice to get some depth in the offseason.

RockJock07
11-26-2012, 09:53 PM
I've never been a fan of our backup plan at offensive line. Seems to me that moving our starting LG to RT and bringing in a backup G/C only weakens the offensive line at two positions instead of one. I know there aren't a whole lot of other options this season but it would be nice to get some depth in the offseason.

There are zero options at this point. MM will have to adjust this offense.

BloodBrother
11-26-2012, 10:53 PM
Yep, that's one of my main gripes about it. When an injury happens, it essentially weakens them at 2 spots rather than 1. Lang is a good guard but is NOT a good Tackle, and EDS just flatout sucks

this line is what it is for the rest of the season, so MM has to adjust accordingly. Roll Rodgers out more, use his mobility. How about more screens to Cobb or Green.

J-Mike88
11-27-2012, 05:11 PM
How bad was our OL Sunday night?

Great http://ProFootballFocus.com stat:
When Rodgers had 2.6 seconds or more, his QB rating was 125.9.
With 2.5 seconds or less, his rating: 25.9.

.....says T.J. Lang gave up 6 pressures and Marshall Newhouse 5:

Giants pressured Aaron Rodgers on 64% of his 33 dropbacks.
Vikings' Christian Ponder was next closest at 46%.

In other news today, the champion Giants who just slaughtered us, signed former Packer RB Kregg Lumpkin today.

Meanwhile, coach McCarthy today hinted that tomorrow "we will learn" more info about Cedric Benson's foot. It's quite possible it will show that the Lisfranc is not healing and he will need surgery, ending his season from the week 5 injury. The Packers will most likely be searching for a fresh RB to sign in that case.

Also, the Bears today just signed former Packer WR Dale Moss, who many fans were excited about this spring.

BloodBrother
11-27-2012, 09:43 PM
As expected, Sherrod's season is over

and I highly expect Benson to not return, either

TimmG6376
11-28-2012, 01:42 PM
Yep, that's one of my main gripes about it. When an injury happens, it essentially weakens them at 2 spots rather than 1. Lang is a good guard but is NOT a good Tackle, and EDS just flatout sucks

this line is what it is for the rest of the season, so MM has to adjust accordingly. Roll Rodgers out more, use his mobility. How about more screens to Cobb or Green.

Yeah I didn't see you had started this discussion over in the Giants game thread already.

Last season when Clifton was still around and Sherrod was healthy I thought the OL was in pretty good shape at least in the near future, but man we are thin now. And no that is not a vote for bringing Clifton back. If either Lang or Newhouse were to miss any time what would the plan be? That is a scary thought.

Rodgers was actually praising EDS a couple of weeks ago. Even saying that he had no doubt EDS was the C of the future. I find that hard to believe based on what I've seen in games. What does Aaron see that we don't?

ImBrotherCain
11-28-2012, 01:45 PM
So Babin? I sure hope we make a play for him.

roughrider30
11-28-2012, 05:22 PM
So Babin? I sure hope we make a play for him.

Unless he could play O-line for us, no. He's already not fit Capers system back in Hou.

J-Mike88
11-28-2012, 06:55 PM
Babin was claimed by at least 8 other teams, including teams right at the top of the list.... he's now a Jaguar.

I'm not sure why a terrible team with no playoff hopes would take on THAT contract for the remainder of this season for a guy that old. I think he's 33.

But a lot of teams wanted him.

Sherrod had 2 seasons taken away because Newhouse couldn't block Hali ever that game, and let Hali run around him time & time again, ultimately slamming into Derek's leg.

Sherrod was drafted to be our anchor LT and Newhouse Eff'd it all up.
Yes I'm bitter.
Plus that game cost us the perfect season.

PackerLegend
11-29-2012, 01:30 PM
Cedric Benson had surgery and is out for the season.

J-Mike88
11-29-2012, 01:32 PM
Cedric Benson had surgery and is out for the season.
Of course he did, we all knew that was coming. Great.

BloodBrother
11-30-2012, 09:27 AM
And thus ends what was an illustrious career for him with the Packers

Jennings will be back for this week at least, but other than that its status quo. Gotta think Woodson is close. I mean, it was reported he was already lifting weights during the Packers bye week, so the bone has to be healed up by now

Clay is at least doing some individual stuff on the side during practice, including agility drills and "light" jogging. Better than nothing

Shields is currently on the side of a milk carton. I hope they can locate and find him soon

J-Mike88
11-30-2012, 05:26 PM
Any of you guys know where there is a list of street free agent RBs?
I don't expect anymore Arian Fosters or Priest Holmes, undrafted All Pros.

But there have to be some talented backs, fresh, out there. Young or vets.

Whatever you say or like, not like about Jim Starks and Al Green, this is for certain: opposing defenses have no fear of them and thus the defenses do not respect the running game, instead focus 100% on stopping the passing game.
Disrupting the WRs off the line, and getting after Rodgers, time and time again.

The mere threat of a good RB, one who the defense would at least fear, would help more than we can imagine.

As it is now, we should be able to take advantage of it by gouging them with runs now and then. We don't. Combo of bad OL, scheme, and RBs apparently.

Our off-season needs to bring in a RB who commands respect from the D.
Of course, they have to stay healthy too, and for us, that seems imfu****** impossible.

princefielder28
12-01-2012, 05:26 PM
Sean Richardson and Andrew Quarless were placed on IR

RB DuJuan Harris and WR Jeremy Ross were signed from the practice squad

BloodBrother
12-03-2012, 03:16 PM
MM said his understanding is that both Lang/Nelson's injuries are not serious

- with that said, NElson will be "hard-pressed" to play this week. Lang may be able to. Will know more on Wed. It is the same hamstring that bothered Nelson earlier in the year. He felt something in pre-game, decided to play through it(seriously, why do players do this crap. Just ends up making the injury worse)

- Clay worked out today. Need to talk to him and see how he feels

- Woodson could maybe go next week, but if you asked Woodson he'd say he could play this week. Still has some testing to do before he's fully cleared

J-Mike88
12-03-2012, 05:36 PM
Da Bearzzz

J-Mike88
12-04-2012, 07:12 PM
Was just peaking ahead to next year..... Packers will head down here finally, play at Dallas.
I hope that game is not on Thanksgiving. We haven't played down here since 2007, which was a historic game in the career of Aaron Rodgers as it was the first time he came in and had a chance... and he played great, almost digging us out of the big hole the Gunslinger had put us in, falling behind 27-10.

We also will welcome to Lambeau Field the Pittsburgh Steelers, which will test the "loyalty" of a lot of our ticket-holders. Watch how many of them sell out their seat$ to the Steeler Nation.

Also visiting Lambeau Field will be RG3, the Washington Redskins. Look for NBC or ESPN to bid heavily for that game pitting him against Rodgers.

We will play AT the Giants AGAIN for the 3rd straight regular season.
And we will pay a visit to Baltimore.

If we win the division this year, we will welcome Atlanta to Lambeau. If we take 2nd, we will get that division's 2nd place team, which will be Tampa Bay or New Orleans. Damn why can't we play AT Tampa Bay where tons of Packer fans could go and easily get tickets.
And we will play AT the NFC West equal finisher, so could be us at San Fran. Or at Seattle again.

(The year after, Tom Brady finally pays another visit to Lambeau)

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_nfcn.htm

BloodBrother
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Oh look at that, James Starks hurt his knee in the Vikes game and his season may very well be over

jesus. The guy can never stay healthy but goddamn. This team can't go a week without somebody else going down

J-Mike88
12-04-2012, 09:47 PM
WHAT THE PHUQ ELSE IS NEW?
Our injury luck is bulls*** nothing but bad luck.

And I am so sick of ***** DBs tackling like girls, falling at runner's feet.... man-up and tackle someone in the chest!

http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=16161

http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/upload/Starksknee.jpg

TitleTown088
12-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Oh look at that, James Starks hurt his knee in the Vikes game and his season may very well be over

n

Would you expect anything else? The Packers injury luck is unbelievable.

J-Mike88
12-04-2012, 10:19 PM
Not tons of great options available, but there could be another Samkon Gado out there....

Former Packers:
Kregg Lumpkin
Tyrell Sutton
Ryan Grant
Dimitri Nance
Marc Tyler

Tim Hightower
Joseph Addai

Those 2 are available I am pretty sure.
Not sure about: Jerious Norwood, Chester Taylor, Cadillac Williams.

Steve Slaton, Maurice Morris....Lorenzo Booker, Curtis Brinkley, Rock Cartwright, John Clay, Michael Hayes, Davin Meggett,


Here's a guy I liked in the draft that has ended up on St Louis: http://www.nfl.com/player/terranceganaway/2532984/profile

J-Mike88
12-05-2012, 09:26 AM
RYAN GRANT is back.

http://packersinsider.com/2012/12/rested-ryan-grant-returning-to-packers-starks-out-injured/

bigboiajhawk
12-05-2012, 09:27 AM
JSOnline reporting Packers will sign Ryan Grant.

My opinion - last year he really looked slow. However, he atleast knows the offense, and the players, and he had success.

bigboiajhawk
12-05-2012, 09:28 AM
RYAN GRANT is back.

http://packersinsider.com/2012/12/rested-ryan-grant-returning-to-packers-starks-out-injured/

Beat me to it!!!

CheeseKnuckles
12-05-2012, 09:45 AM
Tim Hightower is available... I thought he looked pretty good in AZ.

J-Mike88
12-05-2012, 10:41 AM
Tim Hightower is available... I thought he looked pretty good in AZ.
He looked even better last year in Washington, until he tore his ACL.

I wonder where Marc Tyler, Tyrell Sutton, Dimitri Nance are.
Kregg Lumpkin went to the Giants..... how do you decide who's recycleable and who isn't?

At least Grant should be rested & fresh.

bigboiajhawk
12-05-2012, 11:44 AM
The nice part about bringing in Grant is that his style actually complements Green's. Green is fast, elusive, and has great hands out of the backfield. Things Grant really isnt. Grant will get maybe 8-10 carries for 30-40 yards; if he does that I think that is more than enough. Let Green get 15-20 carries. Also, with Kuhn, we have a pass protector and a guy that can take 5 carries as well in a game.

Poor Starks though; the guy just can't catch a break. I mean, his running style is so violent, it is not a surprise. Was injured in college, and he is injured in the pros - hopefully he can pull a Mike Neal (fingers crossed) and stay healthy next season. Starks is still my #1 RB on the Packers roster, but maybe Green can turn it up a notch.

bigboiajhawk
12-05-2012, 02:44 PM
Scratch the Mike Neal staying healthy part, MM just said that he did not feel good about what the training staff told him......Neal is sooo powerful, that is a loss in the pass rush area for sure.

J-Mike88
12-05-2012, 04:37 PM
Yeah looks like Mike Neal's longest stretch of not-being-injured might be over.
Sucks....

PackerLegend
12-05-2012, 10:24 PM
God damn... when this team drafts next year I think they seriously need to consider moving durability up their list.

J-Mike88
12-06-2012, 07:05 AM
God damn... when this team drafts next year I think they seriously need to consider moving durability up their list.
If only it were that easy.
It's mostly luck, and we have bad luck.

Cedric Benson was durable before..... which is why MM was happy to get him.
Then BOOM, same BS that all our guys have.

Charles Woodson was brittle though in Oakland, then gave us a good 5 years before going down.

TimmG6376
12-06-2012, 04:54 PM
Welcome back Ryan Grant

J-Mike88
12-07-2012, 04:13 PM
2010 Season starts..... Ryan Grant is the man. James Starks is hurt, a rookie nobody wanted or knew.
2010 Playoffs came..... Ryan Grant was out injured, forgotten. James Starks introduced himself to America in Philly with a 100+ yard game, coming out party, in a close win..... won a Super Bowl as our starting RB.

2012 Season started.... James Starks was the guy, til Cedric Benson was brought in..... Benson went down.
Starks went down.
Ryan Grant brought in, was the starting RB and won a Super Bowl.

Anyone see fair symetric justic in that?

BloodBrother
12-10-2012, 03:25 PM
MM presser

- He's "hopeful" that Clay/Woodson can practice this week and play. IDK, didn't like to hear those words. Sounds like there is still a bit of doubt whether or not they play...unless he's just not tipping his hand or something

- Said the same thing about Lang/Nelson. Said he's hopeful they practice this week. Talked to Jordy the other day who said he's getting better

- CJ Wilson not as far along as he and the team had hoped regarding his knee injury. Sounds like he'll be out still, which hurts. He's been very good against the run this year

so yeah...if Nelson/Lang/Woodson/Clay arent' practicing again this week, I'm gonna be pissed. Can't go another game without these guys, especially this one with the division title right there for the taking

J-Mike88
12-10-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm fine with Matthews & Woodson resting/healing a little longer.
I think we should be able to beat Chicaga with the same defense we had last night.
Jordy too.... we know that's a thing that can linger, be re-aggravated easily.

Would be nice to have all these great ones back now, but much more important for them to stay healthy & we need them in January when hopefully we go 2-0, and finish it off with a winning February.

Why wasn't Mike Neal mentioned?
Is he back, or on IR?

princefielder28
12-10-2012, 05:31 PM
Why wasn't Mike Neal mentioned?
Is he back, or on IR?

I think Neal is done for the year

J-Mike88
12-10-2012, 05:47 PM
I think Neal is done for the year
^ Is this from today? ^
Or last year?
Or the year before?

Here's what I found from Sunday morning:
He's listed as "doubtful" for Sunday night's game against the Detroit Lions with a shoulder injury. This past week, Neal wasn't around the locker room to talk about his latest injury. The only sound you hear from him publicly is on Twitter, where in a predictable case of déjà vu, the Harrell parallel made its ceremonious return.

On Friday, one fan tweeted, "When do you think Neal gets to reach Justin Harrell status?" The fan didn't even include Neal's Twitter handle in the tweet. But Neal found it - and responded. So good about ignoring criticism all year, Neal copied the tweet and wrote back, "Put some pads on n come see me."

Some of those 2011 demons may be resurfacing. Time will tell. Trgovac says Neal is "at peace" this year.

The Adderall saga behind him, that focus is being tested again.

"There was a lot of frustration built up, and I was going through all that, but God was taking me this way," Neal said. "So I feel I came out of the situation much better."

princefielder28
12-10-2012, 06:44 PM
i'm really just speculating....the guy is so fragile and unreliable that we need to move on from him

J-Mike88
12-10-2012, 08:34 PM
i'm really just speculating....the guy is so fragile and unreliable that we need to move on from him
He's also a sensitive baby it seems.
Like he expects we all just look the other way time after time after time when he goes down, out.

J-Mike88
12-11-2012, 08:23 AM
Somebody get that Week 15 Bears thread up so I don't have to create it.. you guys say I'm a jinx!

Da Bearz

PackerLegend
12-11-2012, 09:03 AM
Somebody get that Week 15 Bears thread up so I don't have to create it.. you guys say I'm a jinx!

Da Bearz

After the Giants game yup you definitely are... pf28 seems to be the guy that gets us W's always.

PackerLegend
12-11-2012, 12:11 PM
In fact PF28 is 5-0
Packerlegend is 3-3* really 4-2
J-Mike is 1-1

So PF28 has the hot hand in gameday thread making.

J-Mike88
12-11-2012, 04:08 PM
In fact PF28 is 5-0
Packerlegend is 3-3* really 4-2
J-Mike is 1-1

So PF28 has the hot hand in gameday thread making.
PF, getcha azz in here and open the bar..... got some thirsty fans here...

princefielder28
12-11-2012, 05:18 PM
settle down people, the savior is here haha

J-Mike88
12-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Casey Hayward a gem? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/11/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-week-14/

J-Mike88
12-12-2012, 08:04 AM
http://www.packerforum.com/attachments/imageuploadedbytapatalk1355303682-503292-jpg.2051/

BloodBrother
12-12-2012, 12:42 PM
Clay returned to practice today and so did Mike Neal. Lang returned to

in a bit of a pleasant surprise, there was also this

@WesHod
Let the OL guessing begin, Lang took snaps at LG, EDS took reps at center and LG. Barclay at RT

Was hoping they'd put Lang back at LG and keep Barclay at RT, but I didn't expect them to tinker with benching Saturday. Should be interesting

downside is that Woodson and Nelson didn't practice today. Really hope both can go this weekend. CJ Wilson didn't practice either and is probably out(that hurts the run D). Davon House didn't practice today either for some reason(guess it makes sense, they finally get Shields back so now another CB has to go down. That's how it works on this team)

BloodBrother
12-12-2012, 01:17 PM
well damn, Woodson already has been ruled out. Conditioning wise, he's ready to go, but the docs still feel he isn't ready quite yet

Jordy Nelson is also a long shot to play on sunday

- Clay was limited today in practice, and they will see how he is tomorrow. Plan is for him to play. MM used the word "hopeful" again in regards to Clay playing this sunday, so even though he was out there today in practice, I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk that he'll play. Hopefully he feels good tomorrow as I guess that's the key. See how his hamstring responds to some practice out there today

- Neal practicing today was a surprise, but good to see

- CJ's knee injury more serious than they thought. They do expect him to be back this year though, but it's going to be a a few more weeks it looks like

ImBrotherCain
12-12-2012, 01:35 PM
well damn, Woodson already has been ruled out. Conditioning wise, he's ready to go, but the docs still feel he isn't ready quite yet

Jordy Nelson is also a long shot to play on sunday

- Clay was limited today in practice, and they will see how he is tomorrow. Plan is for him to play. MM used the word "hopeful" again in regards to Clay playing this sunday, so even though he was out there today in practice, I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk that he'll play. Hopefully he feels good tomorrow as I guess that's the key. See how his hamstring responds to some practice out there today

- Neal practicing today was a surprise, but good to see

- CJ's knee injury more serious than they thought. They do expect him to be back this year though, but it's going to be a a few more weeks it looks like

Damn it Jordy! My fantasy team needs you!

J-Mike88
12-12-2012, 03:59 PM
Damn it Jordy! My fantasy team needs you!
Pick up & insert James Jones!

RockJock07
12-12-2012, 06:53 PM
Woodson won't play on Sunday.

Was hoping for blitzing from the slot and Clay on the other side, hopefully clay can still play.

ImBrotherCain
12-13-2012, 01:14 PM
Pick up & insert James Jones!

16 teams... Jones is long gone.

J-Mike88
12-15-2012, 09:01 AM
Good article on DuJuan Harris, and you won't be charged for reading it haha.... http://packersinsider.com/?p=4893

PackerLegend
12-16-2012, 08:35 AM
PFT is claiming the Packers have already decided Finley is gone after this year. While that's makes us all happy its still slightly disappointing because he has talent but is so ******* dumb and can't shut up. He will probably leave and never drop another ball.

BloodBrother
12-16-2012, 08:56 AM
Hope they trade him for something rather than just cutting him.

CheeseKnuckles
12-16-2012, 04:15 PM
PFT is claiming the Packers have already decided Finley is gone after this year. While that's makes us all happy its still slightly disappointing because he has talent but is so ******* dumb and can't shut up. He will probably leave and never drop another ball.

I dislike Finley's crap more than anyone, but I wouldn't mind him sticking around. I wonder if this year is slowly serving him a piece of humble pie?

On that note I would love to see Zach Ertz in Green and Gold next season. Really like what I see from that kid... I'm excited to watch every play of his in the Rose Bowl.

BloodBrother
12-16-2012, 07:27 PM
So again, McCarthy emphatically showed his support for Crosby after the game. Stop the ****** madness already

I like that they have confidence and are loyal to a fault with their guys, but at some point you have to have a breaking point. The guy has missed I believe 12 FG's on the season. 12! He's 1-8 from 50 and beyond, but now the guy can't even make chip shot fg's from 30-45 yards with any certainty. We are seeing these other teams sign street FA's over the last few weeks and these guys are coming in and doing way better than Crosby

getting real tired of this. The guy hasn't killed them yet but they can't let this continue. If he would have just made 1 of those chip shot FG's, the Bears aren't even looking at trying to tie the game up at the end there(Pack would have been up 11 and the game effectively over).

PackerLegend
12-17-2012, 01:29 PM
Crosby ******* sucks... he is 58% on the year! 58 ******* % absolutely pathetic. We can not possibly do any worse. Just when he started to maybe show he was snapping out of it the last 2 weeks he does what he did yesterday. The worst part id he misses so badly you cannot even fathom how he does by so much. Then he usually follows up by missing to the other side.

Thanks McCarthy can't wait until Mason misses in the playoffs which ultimately costs us the game because you won't dump his ass already. What did someone catch you 2 with nude pictures together?

J-Mike88
12-17-2012, 06:37 PM
I hate Crosby.
McCarthy's downfall here is he is too loyal.... Mason has been his kicker since 2007.... he doesn't want to change.

But there have to be a hundred or more kickers who are better than this guy.

He's handicapping the team, severely.

Olinda Mare was a smooth 2/2 yesterday, on the same s***y field and same conditions, rusty even.

Ax yourself this: Packers down 24-23 at Minnesota week 17, with 3 seconds left, ball at the Minnesota 26 yard line.
Niners have lost to Seattle in wk 16, so the Packers win and they get the #2 seed and force SF to host #6 NYG in the WC game, IF WE WIN by making the 43-yard FG.

Do you want Mason Crosby kicking it?
Could you even Bear, I mean bare, to open your eyes?

I'd take Longwell thank you.
Maybe even Jan Stenerud.

J-Mike88
12-19-2012, 10:46 PM
Alex Green missed today's practice because of a concussion.

SuperPacker
12-19-2012, 10:56 PM
Hope they trade him for something rather than just cutting him.

No team is going to pay Jermichael Finley 8 million. It's probably better to just tell him he's being cut and hope he starts auditioning.

bigboiajhawk
12-20-2012, 02:01 PM
Okay, now this is just my opinion, but I really don't think Finley is going anywhere.

#1 - Since when does TT ever let out any information about current players?

#2 - There is no way we resign Greg Jennings to a long term deal. Finley has a one year deal, and will probably play very well next season (looking for the big time long term deal from some team).

#3 - Now I have no way of proving this, but Finley is a matchup problem for any team. Put a LB on him and he is long gone.

#4 - For all of the dumb things he has said, he is still a young guy with upside and still could potentially mature.

#5 - He is still one of the most athletically gifted TE's in the game


Just my thoughts, but why get rid of a guy in a contract year? You know that he is going to do whatever he can to get that big pay day. That doesn't mean that they can't draft a TE in next years draft though.

SuperPacker
12-20-2012, 02:11 PM
Okay, now this is just my opinion, but I really don't think Finley is going anywhere.

#1 - Since when does TT ever let out any information about current players?

#2 - There is no way we resign Greg Jennings to a long term deal. Finley has a one year deal, and will probably play very well next season (looking for the big time long term deal from some team).

#3 - Now I have no way of proving this, but Finley is a matchup problem for any team. Put a LB on him and he is long gone.

#4 - For all of the dumb things he has said, he is still a young guy with upside and still could potentially mature.

#5 - He is still one of the most athletically gifted TE's in the game


Just my thoughts, but why get rid of a guy in a contract year? You know that he is going to do whatever he can to get that big pay day. That doesn't mean that they can't draft a TE in next years draft though.

1. Why would it matter if we're going to cut him anyway? May as well hope he starts playing better in order to get a decent deal somewhere else.
2. Will probably play better? That doesn't mean much. And if he does, he still wouldn't be worth 8 million.
3. True, but his drops have been terrible and he hasn't done any of that this season.
4. Yes, but not worth keeping for 8 million with all of his problems.
5. See point 4.

We signed him to this deal for a reason. He was either going to prove himself and be worth the 8 million, or he wouldn't prove himself and we'd cut him. He hasn't, so we'll cut him.

I'm not sure of the other TE's contracts, but i'm pretty sure if we kept him he'd be one of the highest paid tight ends in the league. He isn't even nearly worth that.

BloodBrother
12-21-2012, 07:15 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/jennings-driver-realize-their-days-as-packers-might-be-numbered-ar83h45-184207231.html

sad but harsh reality

Driver and JEnnings are good as gone IMO, and perhaps Woodson will be to. I don't think they are going to want to be paying Woodson what he'll be owed for next season. That's gonna be a tough offseason, losing 2 of the teams old leaders as well as one of their better WR's. Only way Greg returns is if he's willing to give a hometown discount, but I don't see it happening nor do I blame him. He'll probably point to Vjax's deal as a starting point and the Pack need to spend the money on Clay(give him whatever he wants), Rodgers with another extension and then probably Raji as well

BloodBrother
12-21-2012, 09:09 AM
According to Pro Football Focus, quarterbacks have a passing rating of just 23.5 on throws into rookie CB Casey Hayward's coverage.
It's "by far" the best mark of any cornerback in the NFL.

Dude hasn't given up a TD all season. Really excited about this defense going forward. Just need Perry back next season and hopefully he's the answer opposite Clay.

SuperPacker
12-21-2012, 09:22 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/jennings-driver-realize-their-days-as-packers-might-be-numbered-ar83h45-184207231.html

sad but harsh reality

Driver and JEnnings are good as gone IMO, and perhaps Woodson will be to. I don't think they are going to want to be paying Woodson what he'll be owed for next season. That's gonna be a tough offseason, losing 2 of the teams old leaders as well as one of their better WR's. Only way Greg returns is if he's willing to give a hometown discount, but I don't see it happening nor do I blame him. He'll probably point to Vjax's deal as a starting point and the Pack need to spend the money on Clay(give him whatever he wants), Rodgers with another extension and then probably Raji as well

We should restructure Woodson's deal. He's obviously not worth what he's going to be getting next season, but no other team is going to pay him that either. Makes sense for both parties.

I'm not really sure why Jennings is saying "it's tough. the only thing they owe me is a paycheck". If he leaves, it's because he's asking for more than he's worth. He has a choice if he wants to stay. We don't have a choice if we want to keep him; we just can't afford him if he demands the sort of money he could get in free agency.

TimmG6376
12-21-2012, 04:47 PM
Looks like Saturday has been benched in favor of EDS. Good move IMO. Need to see if he can be the guy and determine whether OC is a priority for the draft. Saturday wasn't playing well anyway.

BloodBrother
12-21-2012, 05:46 PM
Yep, very good move. They already have the division wrapped up, so they can afford to do something like this. Saturday has been AWFUL. If EDS doesn't show much, they'll at least know that they will then need to definitely draft a Center next April

EDS showed promise with his run blocking, but I'm still wary about how he'll do in pass protection.

PackerLegend
12-21-2012, 06:17 PM
I don't see us keeping Woodson... I absolutely love him and he is one of my favourite Packers but the secondary has played so well without him... He is old and the contract is to much. Driver, Grant, Benson, Saturday, Finely, Jennings will all be gone. I wouldn't mind Jennings staying for a decent price because he is also a favourite player of mine. Finely I'm still on the fence. Yes he is so dumb and can't catch but the guy has so much potential and is young. So I have hope and hate towards him.

princefielder28
12-22-2012, 02:54 PM
According to Pro Football Weekly, Packers practice squad TE Brandon Bostick is considered an "X-factor" for the 2013 plans at the position.

Bostick showed his potential during the preseason and he must be progressing throughout the season.

J-Mike88
12-23-2012, 10:35 PM
The NFL has moved the Green Bay Packers-Minnesota Vikings game to 4:25 p.m. ET, giving it a more prominent national time slot considering what is at stake. Remember, the Vikings will clinch a playoff spot if they win. And a Packers victory would clinch the No. 2 seed in the NFC playoffs, assuming the Seattle Seahawks don't lose a 42-6 fourth quarter lead over the San Francisco 49ers tonight.

The NFL's adjustment to kickoff times, which also included moving the Dallas Cowboys-Washington Redskins to Sunday night, could lead to a long day and night of waiting for NFC North teams.

If the Chicago Bears defeat the Detroit Lions in the early 1 p.m. ET slot, they'll have to wait until after the Packers-Vikings game to find out if they will make the playoffs. It would happen only if the Vikings lose.

The Vikings, meanwhile, might have to wait until after the Sunday night game to find out their fate if they lose to the Packers.

Don't forget, these guys almost beat us 3 weeks ago at Lambeau. Ponder played absolutely horrible. He can't play any worse than that game. And we barely won.

I expect a serious dog fight and those crazy horn-blowing Metrodome officials will be blasting the fake noise to the max.

Peterson killed us 3 weeks ago......

I hate the Vikings more than anyone.... they haven't bothered me since year one of Farve. But if they knock us down next week, oooh..... at least we'd play them the week after again.

J-Mike88
12-23-2012, 10:42 PM
Just like I did coming down the stretch in 2010, betting against us vs NYG, Chicago, then against us in Philly, in Atlanta, in Chicago, and vs Pittsburgh, I bought us a win.... today I bet on the NYG and on San Fran tonight.

I paid for our success!
But my account is out of money now dammit.
It's amazing how I can jinx these teams.

BloodBrother
12-24-2012, 12:47 PM
Sounds like when Cobb returns he'll still be on return duty for the rest of THIS season. Not the time to make a change with the playoffs looming. MM said you can't play scared

he also didn't sound concerned about Cobb's injury. He was getting an MRI today so they didn't have the results. Medical staff does not have high concern for Cobb, and docs will determine next step. X-rays on his ankle were negative, the MRI is to determine any ligament damage.

MM said he is hopeful(there's that word again) that a majority of the guys inactive last week will be ready to go this week

Crabtree is close, Jerel Worthy is ready, Green is ready and Nelson/Woodson are close. Starks and CJ Wilson still are a bit away from returning

mqtirishfan
12-24-2012, 01:11 PM
Wow, one healthy win against the Vikings and we could be practically free of INJURIEZZZ.

SuperPacker
12-24-2012, 01:17 PM
Wow, one healthy win against the Vikings and we could be practically free of INJURIEZZZ.

this is exactly when the new injuriezzzzzz will hit. you think all is well and you get them again.

J-Mike88
12-24-2012, 09:01 PM
this is exactly when the new injuriezzzzzz will hit. you think all is well and you get them again.
Exactly.
Still, until I see Cobb back on the field playing, I will not exhale.
I expect him to miss the game in Minny this week.... and (as long as we win), that's fine.
I've seen us have 3 guys at least, tear ACLs in that ****** stadium.
Will Blackmon, Nick Barnett, and I think Mark Tauscher.

Sportsfan486
12-25-2012, 02:57 AM
Getting close to playoff time so I'm BACK!

You can't really expect me here for the regular season. I mean, it's the regular season. We're here talking about the regular season. The regular season... ... err, you get the point.

I'm not quite as on board with the "winning close(r) games and losing more makes the Packers a better team!!!" thing that people keep saying. Adversity gives experience but also fatigue. Random thought.

Things I like going into the playoffs;

We should have a bye. Yeah, the Vikings.. the only time I've been scared of them was when they had a vengeful Favre. Ponder is terrible and they're going to run it so very often to try and get AD that record that it'll probably ruin any hope for a big offensive day for the team. Also, Rodgers likes it there and the only thing there defense has going for it is Jared Allen. We shred 'em.

We SHOULD be getting fairly healthy. Conceivably, if we have a bye that game will be our healthiest since the first quarter of game 1. Or Clay Matthews could blow out an ACL against the Vikings.

Our run game is looking as good as it has since our last Super Bowl run. Maybe a bit better, even, with EDS and Barclay in there.

Rodgers has been getting sharper. That's nice.

None of the draws in our conference scare me. The 49ers are probably the worst matchup and I'm not terrified of them. Kaepernick can be rattled and Gore is slowing down as the season progresses. My rating of the difficult of matchups is as follows;

1. 49ers
2. Redskins
3. Falcons
4. Seahawks (assuming no Sherman, or I'd have them as #2. People forget how ****** their pass rush is on the road and they're just too young.)
5. Random crappy #6 seed (unless it's the Giants, who would be my #1.)

The thought of going to Atlanta for the NFC Championship game. I might even prefer that to Green Bay. Nice, quiet crowd. Fast running surface. Rodgers has good memories there. I like.

Things I dislike.

CROSBY. COME ON TT AND MCCARTHY. ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS GUY!??!?! Look, the best case scenario with keeping him is the thought that the additional 4th down tries we go for because of a ****** kicker = more TDs which = more points.

Cobb being hobbled. Rodgers loves him some Cobb. Eventually we'll realize the perfect way to use him as a Cover 2 buster and our offense of 2011 will be revived.


Overall you have to like how things are shaping up. Looks like we might be getting healthy and hot and our arch-nemesis/kryptonite is quite unlikely to make the playoffs.

I'm calling a Green Bay versus Denver Super Bowl right now. Also, holy **** would that be a scary and exciting game.

princefielder28
12-25-2012, 01:47 PM
Alex Green should be good-to-go for Sunday

J-Mike88
12-26-2012, 07:29 AM
I'm calling a Green Bay versus Denver Super Bowl right now. Also, holy **** would that be a scary and exciting game.
I want to see THAT game more than any other possible matchup.

BE RIGHT FOR ONCE 486! LOL

J-Mike88
12-26-2012, 06:20 PM
Woodson, again, ruled out for the game this Sunday.
Ponder won't be able to find #21.

BloodBrother
12-26-2012, 07:54 PM
That sucks. I don't like the thought of Woodson getting his first game reps come playoff time after being out a good 8 weeks

With Hayward/Shields playing great, Woodson isn't needed on the field as much. I'm all for him replacing MD Jennings in the base D, but that's about it. Hayward/Shields have been great so leaving them in the slot in nickel/dime can't change

would have been nice to have him back in this game though. He's a sure tackler and great around the LOS vs the run. They could have used that going up against AP

J-Mike88
12-26-2012, 10:01 PM
That sucks. I don't like the thought of Woodson getting his first game reps come playoff time after being out a good 8 weeks

With Hayward/Shields playing great, Woodson isn't needed on the field as much. I'm all for him replacing MD Jennings in the base D, but that's about it. Hayward/Shields have been great so leaving them in the slot in nickel/dime can't change

would have been nice to have him back in this game though. He's a sure tackler and great around the LOS vs the run. They could have used that going up against AP
That bad thing about this injury, I would think, is he hasn't been able to do any strength, weight work on the upper body/shoulder area. I'd like him to be stronger there because he's a very willing and good tackler and I want him to be strong and able to handle hammering RBs like Gore, Marshawn (a bull), Turner..... we need to get to the Superdome.

SuperPacker
12-26-2012, 10:07 PM
Jeff Saturday is a pro bowler!

J-Mike88
12-27-2012, 10:24 AM
Jeff Saturday is a pro bowler!
At least Crosby didn't get in! :tussor:

BloodBrother
12-28-2012, 12:43 PM
Things are looking good. Team is finally getting as healthy as they can be for the playoff run. Only guys still out are Starks and Woodson. In Woodson's case, he's been practicing for nearly 3-4 weeks now but just hasn't been cleared by docs. Davon House is listed as doubtful for this Sunday, but if they can get that first round bye, chances are good he'll be back for that playoff game as some much needed CB depth/ST

- Cobb was limited today in practice, but according to reporters he looked good running some drills(lots of cutting, planting his feet). He is listed as Questionable for this Sunday

- CJ Wilson was a full participant and is Probable(this is big since he's their best run stopping DE)

- Jordy Nelson had a full week of practice and is Probable. He checked out completely fine after a weeks worth of practice

- Alex Green, full participant and is Probable

- Jerel Worthy, full participant and is Probable

- Josh Sitton had a concussion but has since been cleared and is Probable

Here's hoping they get a win while not having any key injuries this sunday

J-Mike88
12-28-2012, 06:29 PM
Here's hoping they get a win while not having any key injuries this sunday
AMEN to that ^

Would yours look like this? http://packersinsider.com/2012/12/who-are-the-packers-most-valuable-10-right-now/

J-Mike88
12-28-2012, 11:03 PM
Help a brother out, be a man.... see our thread in the Pro Football area. I get more support from Viking fans there.....

I don't think it's a matter of them being better with him than Tim Tebow because I think everybody knows that. However, relatively speaking he's not giving the Broncos any more than Rodgers or Brady is giving their teams. Just because it's new doesn't make it any more or less valuable.
Exactly. It's the MVP, Most Valuable Player. Not the Most Improved. Or the best East Coast QB, best Manning, best team, etc.
Judging value is hard.

Right now, entering the final week, I would give it to Adrian Peterson hands-down.
To compare any other RB to his statline, you have to go back in time to historical greats.

Comparing Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Ryan, RG3, etc.... not a lot separates each of them.
But if a QB does get it, based on production and not East Coast bias or media hype, etc. then it has to be Rodgers, leading up to week 17. Week 17 can sway it though. But as of right now, it's clear:


RODGERS
Passer Rating: 106.2,
Passing: 35 TD, 8 Int, +27, 67.0%, 3,930 yards, 7.68 YPA, 46 sacks,
Rushing: 259 yards, 2 TDs, 20 FDs
Team Record: 11-4 (*12-3)

MANNING
Passer Rating: 103.7,
Passing: 34 TD, 11 Int, +23, 68.1%, 4,355 yards, 7.86 YPA, 21 sacks
Rushing: 6 yards, 0 TD, 2 FDs
Team Record: 12-3

BRADY
Passer Rating: 98.3,
Passing: 32 TD, 8 Int, +24, 63.1%, 4,543 yards, 7.56 YPA, 26 sacks
Rushing: 32 yards, 4 TDs, 11 FDs
Team Record: 12-3

RYAN
Passer Rating: 100.2,
Passing: 31 TD, 14 Int, +17, 69.0%, 4,481 yards, 7.85 YPA, 26 sacks
Rushing: 130 yards, 1 TD, 7 FDs
Team Record: 13-2

GRIFFIN
Passer Rating: 104.1,
Passing: 20 TD, 5 Int, +15, 66.4%, 3,100 yards, 8.27 YPA, 29 sacks,
Rushing: 752 yards, 6 TDs, 36 FDs
Team Record: 9-6

Now here's the part that bothers me from folks arguing for a different QB right now other than Rodgers. They say, yeah but Manning has taken his team up so much.
Well, it's the MVP, not the "Most Improved" award.

Also, if you are going to factor other things in besides actual production (passing and rushing), then you better factor in their schedule, their pass protection, their running game,their receivers, and their defense.
And that's a lot of subjective material.

But I would argue that the pass protection of Rodgers has been, is, by far the worst of the group, and I doubt anyone would dispute that who has watched them.

And his running game is the worst as well, which I believe partly coincides to the bad OL. Remember, they have 2 of their last 3 first round picks who were OT's on IR, played about 8 games total among them, so that's part of the reason for the bad OL.

Ryan has the best 1-2 WR combo in Pro Bowlers Julio Jones and Roddy White, plus the great Tony Gonzalezat TE.

Rodgers has the deepest group of WRs, without a doubt, but none of them would be taken ahead of either of those Falcons, or the Broncos Demayrious Thomas.
I don't think Brady's WRs are that good other than Wes Welker, although the dynamic duo TE's of the best in Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez are unmatched.

Griffin, IMO, has by far the worst set of receivers. But he has a good OL and running game. A big part of that running game, however, is himself.

Again, I would, without question, write in Adrian Peterson as my winner.

But if it goes to a QB again -because they consider the QB's the most valuable- then Rodgers deserves it most among this group. Right now.

A week 17 meltdown loss in Minnesota could blow it though, so stay tuned.
They should go by pure production, and from start to finish. You don't eliminate week 4 or 9 or 17. They all count. Interesting that it's Rodgers at Peterson. Pro Football Weekly things so:
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dokhogg
12-29-2012, 12:57 AM
This was on yahoo sports on thursday the 27th. Since I never posted before I cannot post a link.

COMMENTARY | Aaron Rodgers won't go back-to-back as the league's Most Valuable Player. But he should.
I've written this before , but the argument for Rodgers has actually become more compelling since. In fact, it isn't really close when you compare Aaron Rodgers to the other players on the MVP shortlist.
Despite Minnesota's victory Sunday against the Texans, Adrian Peterson's chase to Eric Dickerson's rushing record is probably over. Green Bay will be playing for the 2 seed this weekend, which means the Vikes could fall out of the playoffs, not to mention lose to the Packers twice.
The last time an NFL MVP missed out on the postseason was 1973. Furthermore if the Packers win, they'll have swept the Vikings and it would be hard to put Peterson ahead of Rodgers in that case. It's hard to vote for an MVP when his team is barely over .500.
Calvin Johnson's record-breaking season was pretty remarkable, but the Lions were a dumpster fire all season and currently sit at 4-11. It's hard to be 'valuable' when your team has nearly three times as many losses as it does wins.
That leaves Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Matt Ryan on the list with Rodgers.
There's no easy way to reduce this list. All four quarterbacks play for teams leading their divisions. Green Bay, Denver and Atlanta are all in position to get byes in the playoffs. Among quarterbacks who have started every game, they're the top rated passers in the league.
So why Aaron Rodgers and not Brady or Ryan or Manning? The reasons are myriad.
Aaron Rodgers' value to the Packers can't be properly stated unless you look at the injuries to his teammates. Greg Jennings has missed most of the season and Jordy Nelson has also missed long stretches. Take the top two receivers off any other NFL and you're looking at mediocre offenses.
Tom Brady lost Rob Gronkowski but can lean on Aaron Hernandez and a solid running game. Aaron Rodgers didn't have such luxuries. Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning played on teams who were pictures of health for most of the season. Take Roddy White or Eric Decker off their respective teams and tell me you think Ryan and Manning are the same.
Green Bay's third best receiver leads the league in touchdown catches and its fourth best has a chance to break the single-season yardage mark. The reason is Aaron Rodgers.
Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson have been in and out of the lineup due to injuries and the Packers are currently starting a rookie at right tackle with a first-time starter - as of last week - at center.
Every team has had injuries, but no team, at least among this group, has had them like the Packers. Green Bay put up 55 against a half-way decent Titans defense with two street free agent running backs, that patchwork offensive line and no Jordy Nelson.
Furthermore, despite the injuries at offensive line and receiver, Rodgers lead the Packers to 12* wins and is the highest rated passer in the league, despite being sacked 46 times. For comparison, Brady and Ryan have been sacked just 26 times each, and Manning just 21.
Schedule
One of the biggest differences between the season Rodgers has had versus his MVP competitors is the division in which each team plays. There's an old adage about having to play the teams on your schedule, but Green Bay plays in by far the toughest division of this group.
Both Chicago and Minnesota have chances to make the playoffs. Not one of these other quarterbacks have even one team in their respective divisions who have a chance.
The Bears and Vikings are 0-3 against Green Bay and a combined 18-9 against the rest of the NFL. Those 18 wins between just the Bears and Vikes are as many as the entire AFC East has outside of New England, six more than the entire rest of the AFC West outside of Denver, and just one fewer than the entire NFC South outside of Atlanta.
The fact that Green Bay won that division and is in position for a 2 seed speaks to Rodgers' value on this team.
We can talk about quality of wins and strength of schedule here, but I don't want to rehash too much of my last MVP column.
Atlanta has played the easiest schedule in the league, but that's not their fault entirely. Part of the reason is that when you win 13 games, you're adding losses to the teams you play and reducing your own strength of schedule.
A better way to compare these four may be to look at how they've fared against the same defenses. When you look at it that way, Rodgers once again proves why he deserves top billing for the MVP.
Manning vs. Rodgers
Rodgers and Manning have played the fewest common opponents with just Houston and New Orleans. Both teams beat the Saints and the Packers demolished the Texans behind Rodgers' six touchdown day, whereas Peyton and the Broncos were beaten soundly by the Texans.
As we look at the numbers from all of the quarterbacks, remember that yards per attempt and rating as a duo are the best indicators of a quarterback's efficiency and success rates.
In two games, Aaron Rodgers went 55/78 for 657 yards with 10 touchdowns and just 1 interception. That's a 70.5% completion rate and a 130.2 passer rating with a 8.4 yard per attempt average. That is three or four games for the average quarterback.
Peyton Manning went 48/82 for 635 yards with 5 touchdowns and 0 interceptions. That's just a 58.5% completion rate, 7.7 yards per attempt and a rating of 103.4.
Rodgers actually threw more touchdowns just against Houston than Manning did against both teams combined. Every number favors Rodgers including win totals. Given the strength of the NFC North vs. the AFC West, Rodgers has the edge there. For the season, Rodgers has more touchdowns, fewer interceptions and a higher passer rating. Remember too, this is while Rodgers is being sacked twice as often and playing without his two best receivers for much of the year.
Can you imagine what Manning's team would look like if he had to throw to Brandon Stokely and Andre Caldwell 20 times a game? Denver also has the superior defense and running game. Given all of that, it is hard to argue Peyton Manning has been a bigger part of his team's success this season than Rodgers has been for his team.
Ryan vs. Rodgers
The sample size for Rodgers vs. Ryan provides a better frame of reference. It's pretty intuitive: the bigger the sample size, the more accurate a picture it paints. Green Bay and Atlanta have played five games against common opponents, each going 4-1. Atlanta's lone loss was to New Orleans, whereas Green Bay's was to New York.
In five games, Roadgers went 92/147 for 1165 yards with 11 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. That's 7.9 yards per attempt on a 62% completion rate and a 100.86 rating.
Ryan's numbers are pretty similar as he went 128/191 for 1417 yards with 11 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. That is a 67% completion rate, a 7.4 yard per attempt average and a 94.9 rating.
These numbers include a 5 interception game Matt Ryan had against Arizona, one that Atlanta somehow won. If you take that Cardinals game out, the Ryan numbers are pretty staggering, but you can't. The game happened and it could have cost the Falcons dearly. It's tough to talk about how valuable a player is if he can turn the ball over five times but your team can still win.
This is why sample size, though, is important. Over time, these numbers regress to the mean and you're left with a better view of a player's performance across the course of a season. Notice in the important metrics, Rodgers has the advantage, albeit a slim one. Ryan attempted and completed more passes, plus did so at a higher rate, but those passes were shorter and fewer of them went for touchdowns as a ratio of all passes thrown.
Rodgers also has the advantage in gross statistics like touchdowns and interceptions, plus efficiency metrics like passer rating. Given how similar the statistics are, you have to take into account the circumstances. Atlanta's division was worse, its schedule was easier, and they had less adversity with injuries than Green Bay. Given that Rodgers and Ryan then essentially created the same outcomes, the more impressive job was done by Rodgers.
Brady vs. Rodgers
Something of a statistical oddity, by season's end the Packers and Patriots will have played half of their games against common opponents. Both teams played the NFC West and AFC South, leaving only the division and two other opponents on the schedule. These numbers, perhaps more than any of the others, are staggering. Both Green Bay and New England went 5-3 against these opponents, although Green Bay's record should have an asterisk for the Fail Mary game.
In 8 games, Aaron Rodgers went 193/292 for 2187 yards with 23 touchdowns and just 3 interceptions. That's a remarkable 110.3 passer rating on 66.1% completions and a 7.49 yard per attempt average.
Tom Brady went 215/346 for 2588 yards to go with 19 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. That comes out to a 62.1% completion rate, a nearly identical 7.48 yard per attempt rate with a 94.9 rating.
Just to give you an idea of how good these numbers are for Rodgers, only 12 starting quarterbacks have 23 touchdowns through 15 games in the NFL. This is half a season for Rodgers. Brady's 19 touchdown passes is better than all but 20 starters.
That being said, Rodgers is head and shoulders above Brady in efficiency and gross production. Throwing four more touchdowns and four fewer interceptions in 50 fewer attempts is pretty remarkable. A chasm sits between Rodgers and Brady in passer rating and is about the same as the gap between Rodgers and Joe Flacco for the season. Yes, against common opponents, Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady is Joe Flacco.
In a year where this is no MVP favorite, it makes sense to go with the guy who had a better season, head-to-head, than his competitors. Rodgers is also the only one to have another MVP candidate in his own division. If Rodgers beats the Vikings Sunday, he'll have beaten Adrian Peterson's team twice in a year where Peterson will probably rush for 2,000 yards.
Despite a massive injury deficit, an inferior offensive line, an influx of rookies on defense and a tougher division, Aaron Rodgers had a statistically superior season to to his peers at the most important position in the game. Only Drew Brees has thrown more touchdowns. No player who started every game threw fewer interceptions or has a better passer rating.
It wasn't quite the historic season of a year ago, which is why Rodgers hasn't been getting the same credit nationally for his candidacy. Green Bay hasn't had a running back rush for 100 yards since Bart Starr was under center it seems, yet the Packers keep winning because they have '12' under center and the other team doesn't.
Aaron Rodgers hasn't been all-time great this season, but he's been better than everyone else. That's all that matters and that's why he should be the MVP. His story isn't as good as Manning's or Peterson's, which is unfortunately why he won't be.

J-Mike88
12-29-2012, 09:47 AM
Great stuff, especially this: Green Bay will be playing for the 2 seed this weekend, which means the Vikes could fall out of the playoffs, not to mention lose to the Packers twice.
The last time an NFL MVP missed out on the postseason was 1973. Furthermore if the Packers win, they'll have swept the Vikings and it would be hard to put Peterson ahead of Rodgers in that case. It's hard to vote for an MVP when his team is barely over .500.

I still believe much of the media who votes will NATURALLY want to give the award to Manning. Even if Rodgers has better stats.

J-Mike88
12-29-2012, 10:49 AM
WHERE THE HELL IS THE OFFICIAL PACKERS @ VIKINGS THREAD?
You guys really don't want me to JINX us do you?
The phuqing game is here soon, tomorrow. What's the holdup here?
What other website are y'all on if not here? This is crunch time.

In 9 career starts against the Vikings, Rodgers has a 114.2 passer rating, completing 202 of 286 passes (70.6 percent) for 2,458 yards and 20 touchdowns with 4 interceptions.

In his last 2 games at the Metrodome, Rodgers completed 70.1 percent of his passes for 636 yards, 7 touchdowns, 0 interceptions and a 141.6 rating.

The Packers have won 12 consecutive NFC North games and are trying to sweep the division for the second consecutive season.

SuperPacker
12-29-2012, 10:53 AM
You definitely can't make it J-Mike! Hopefully PF comes along with his good luck.

J-Mike88
01-01-2013, 10:44 AM
Any word on WHAT the injury was to Jerel Worthy, and also Jarrett Boykin?

We're missing a ton of 1st round picks already (Bulaga, Perry, Sherrod, Benson, Woodson), might as well lose a 2nd rounder for the year too in Worthy. Perfect.
Meanwhile San Fran has like one guy hurt (Justin Smith) and all their other D studs fine.

SuperPacker
01-01-2013, 11:39 AM
We should have everyone that has a chance of getting back ready for Saturday, so I don't think it's too much of a problem. Having a bye didn't help us much last season and we won the Superbowl as a wildcard; it's not the end of the world.

If we beat the Vikings I think i'm right in saying we'll be playing the 49ers, which isn't the first team we'd want to play, but with Kaepernick playing it'll be different to when we played them earlier in the season.

BloodBrother
01-01-2013, 01:24 PM
All we've heard is that Worthy has a "significant" knee injury, which in McCarthy speak = torn acl

fact is, it don't look good and now you have to wonder how many games he'll miss going into next season

BloodBrother
01-04-2013, 11:13 AM
Reid hired as Chiefs coach. Lot of speculation that the Packers Director of Football operations John Dorsey will be heading with him to KC to become the Chiefs GM

that would suck. Packers losing quite a bit of braintrust the last few years. I wonder who would step in then? Eliot Wolf?

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 12:17 AM
Dorsey has gone to KC.

J-Mike88
01-17-2013, 04:00 PM
Our roster turnover is typically 20% from year to year.

What 10 positions, starting & backups, are in the most need of UPGRADES?
Keep in mind, some guys on IR will return and be upgrades.

PackerLegend
01-18-2013, 09:04 AM
HB, LT, C, OLB, ILB, S, DE, K... in no order, at LT and OLB we get Sherrod and Perry back... but both are still question marks. RB is just a group of nobodys we could find anywhere. I do like Harris but how much more does he have to show us? Green still has time and Starks may have ran out. Grant and Benson shouldn't be back. C, K can both be better with no obvious replacements on the team as of now. ILB, S, DE we could do better but there ok I guess but hopefully we see someone new in the mix.

BloodBrother
01-18-2013, 10:27 AM
As for the main priority, I'd have to say its ILB or C, but that list is about right as far as needs go

Crosby needs competition this upcoming year because even at his best he's only converting around 77% of his FG's

SuperPacker
01-18-2013, 10:38 AM
1. C
2. ILB
3. FS
4. TE
5. NT
6. RB
7. OLB
8. OT
9. WR
10. K
11. QB
12. OG
13. CB

Just did that quick. It's kinda hard to say any one of those should be our #1 need. I wouldn't say we have any glaring holes. All of it is basically getting upgrades over players that are serviceable, but not terrible.

CheeseKnuckles
01-18-2013, 11:50 AM
Postions that need to be upgraded IMO. LT/RB/ILB/S/DE (WR - not upgraded, but need to add another play maker)

EDS is an improvement at Center and I think with a solid LT the line will be ok come next season.

I think TT needs to take a serious look at Free Agency for LT and DE. Do I actually think that will happen... bah, doubt it! But that is what I think might need to happen. I just don't think we can bank on Sherrod being a shut down LT anytime real soon.

As far as RB/ILB/S go I think we need to upgrade.

S - Morgan Burnettt is a good player (needs to become more physical). The player I love in the draft is Phillip Thomas. I like Jerron McMillan, but I'm not sure he is a long term answer.

RB - Dujuan Harris IMO is the real deal as far as a change of pace back. His first carry wear he layed the truck stick on that DB made me a fan immediately. I think the Packers need to look at Eddie Lacy close in the draft. Lacey can carry the load and Harris can be that change of pace back. Keep Alex Green around, but show Starks the door.

ILB - This is self explanatory. Hawk would be a great LB... 10 years ago when the league was run first. We need a major improvement in speed and ability to cover and run sideline to sideline. Two players I'd say we need to look at are Ogletree and Arthur Brown.

Like I said DE and LT could be addressed in FA and we need to bring in another WR. I don't think Boykin/Ross are much for playmakers. I'd like to see a player who can stretch the field a little more than the players we have now.

J-Mike88
01-20-2013, 01:33 PM
Which of these guys will wear a Packer uniform again in 2013?

Jennings
Driver
Woodson
Benson
Finley
Hawk

I say Finey for sure, Hawk will be back because it costs too much to let him go anyway, plus he's the only LB who somehow doesn't get hurt.
I Want Woodson back badly, but we'll see how much pride he has when they ask him to re-negotiate. He has to cut his number down. And he won't like it. Who would.

Benson will cost about $810K if vet minimum. That's not a ton. A rookie RB in Rd 3, 4, 5 would make similar most likely... we'll see how that plays out.
They better bring DuJuan Harris back, and I expect them to bring Alex Green back. Who knows about Starks.

SuperPacker
01-20-2013, 02:02 PM
Jennings won't be back. He'll go wherever the most money is.

Driver is definitely gone.

I believe Woodson will restructure. It would be sad for both parties if he chose not too.

Doubt Benson is back, but you never know. With his injury and how old he is, i'd prefer us to just bring in a younger guy.

Not sure if we'll bring Finley back. That's a lot of money for a TE who isn't very good. Cutting him would make more sense.

Hawk sucks but he'll probably be here.

PackerLegend
01-20-2013, 02:28 PM
Jennings - Gone, but would like him to stay.. just going to cost to much

Driver - Gone

Woodson - Gone, unless he takes a big pay cut

Benson - Gone

Finley - Back, I actually dont want him to leave. If he just shuts his damn mouth and holds on to the ball he has the chance to be so good.

Hawk - Gone, wishful thinking... it could go either way but he sucks and is getting paid to much.

Others out- Ryan Grant, James Starks, Jeff Saturday, Mason Crosby

J-Mike88
01-20-2013, 05:19 PM
Hawk - Gone, wishful thinking... it could go either way but he sucks and is getting paid to much.

Others out- Mason Crosby
Good calls.
Those are 2 guys getting paid to be among the best at their position, and we are clearly not getting a return anywhere near our investment.
TT & Russ Ball don't make a lot of mistakes, but those are 2 bad ones that kind of cripple us from keeping a great one that we want to keep.
Woodson too at that #.

Capers is another... he's getting real good money, and our defense, well it's not real good is it.

BloodBrother
01-21-2013, 01:33 AM
out of that list, hopefully only Jennings and Finley are back

the rest are really expendable

Also, looks like they wont have Jerel Worthy for early in the season since he just had surgery on a torn ACL the other day. Ooph

J-Mike88
01-21-2013, 06:06 PM
out of that list, hopefully only Jennings and Finley are back

the rest are really expendable

Also, looks like they wont have Jerel Worthy for early in the season since he just had surgery on a torn ACL the other day. Ooph
Worthy didn't give us nearly the pass-rush production that we envisioned when Teddy took him.
Teddy traded up because he wanted Kendall Reyes there, but he got stolen before we picked. Teddy chose Worthy over the bigger Devon Still from Penn State, based on the pass rush/wiggle that Worthy showed in college. Badger fans saw it.

But we saw very little of it from Worthy against NFL linemen... and now this ACL?

Let's hope he.....

J-Mike88
01-21-2013, 06:21 PM
This salary cap # info can't be right. Can it?
http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/salaries/green-bay-packers-salaries/

This is some good info here, from Bob McGruff:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-salary-space-about-to-get-tight-ho6uq85-170795046.html

The way it stands now, there are 20 players under contract to Green Bay for next year who are to count about $98.36 million. The unadjusted cap for 2012 is $120.6 million, and projections are that the cap will remain almost flat until 2016.

That doesn't include wide receiver Greg Jennings, either. That's because the two sides are so far apart that it's almost a fait accompli he will depart as an unrestricted free agent in March if he isn't traded first.

Jennings' current cap salary is $7.5 million. If the Packers place the franchise tag on Jennings, the immediate charge on their cap would be about $10 million.
The gorilla in the board room is David Dunn, the agent whose client list includes quarterback Aaron Rodgers, linebacker Clay Matthews and nose tackle B.J. Raji.

Indications are that the Packers would like to have the contracts of all three players extended by early 2013, quite possibly by the start of the National Football League year in early March.

After this season, Rodgers will have two years left on a 2008 contract that ranks him 12th among quarterbacks in average per year at $12.7 million.

Matthews' original deal expires after the 2013 season. Ditto for Raji, whose option for 2014 will become void.

Using rough estimates, let's say the cap salaries for Rodgers, Matthews and Raji climb by a total of $18 million for 2013. How the Packers decide to accommodate such an increase could impact the team significantly.

"It's a challenge being a good organization like this," defensive end Ryan Pickett said. "They draft well. Pick up good players. Then it's time for everybody to get paid.

"So they have a tough road ahead of them. It's going to take some hard work because we've got so many good players. I hope we can keep everybody together, man, because we've got a chance to keep doing special things around here."

IMO, Matthews deserves the new deal more than anyone not only on our team, but in the NFL.
That dude has way outperformed his contract. He's as important to the defense as Rodgers is to the offense, almost.
He's played 4 years on that rookie deal.

There's no way in hell that we can afford Jennings back. Finley is debatable.
And Woodson can't stay at that #.
It really sucks that we're locked into overpaying so much for Hawk, a guy who makes no big plays... he gets paid to make big plays, not just be there.

Sam Shields will get a big raise too... will we slap the 2nd round tender on him?

PackerLegend
01-22-2013, 12:20 PM
2nd rounder no way... I would put the highest on him. 2nd round id easily trade that if I was any team needing a CB. Hes young and played lights out when he returned. Good CBs are hard to come by and hes pretty proven. Just look at all the CBs we have failed on...

J-Mike88
01-24-2013, 08:57 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-face-turnover-thanks-to-salary-cap-bn8ga4v-188152951.html

Does Crosby really make more than Matthews this year?
We need to trim some money there big time.

PackerLegend
01-24-2013, 09:01 AM
Crosby got resigned and Matthews still has his rookie deal. Matthews will more then make up for it soon because he going to get paid. Crosby should be working at McDonald's giving me cheeseburgers. But I bet we keep his sad ass around.

J-Mike88
01-24-2013, 09:49 PM
Crosby got resigned and Matthews still has his rookie deal. Matthews will more then make up for it soon because he going to get paid. Crosby should be working at McDonald's giving me cheeseburgers. But I bet we keep his sad ass around.
Ain't nothing wrong with some McNugget's every so often.

PackerLegend
01-25-2013, 08:54 AM
So Erik Walden is a FA.. does he get resigned?

princefielder28
01-25-2013, 09:05 AM
So Erik Walden is a FA.. does he get resigned?

I don't believe so...we simply don't have much cap flexibility at this point and the team will have to go the cheaper route with a younger player

princefielder28
01-25-2013, 11:44 AM
There's speculation the Packers may be one of the teams in on the Revis bidding, but I simply don't buy it. We are good at the corner position and have plenty invested there already.

SuperPacker
01-25-2013, 12:07 PM
I said in the FA thread that we could trade Tramon Williams, cut Woodson and then trade for Revis, but I wasn't being serious. If we really are in for him, that could be what we do. Cutting Woodson and trading Tramon would save us $16M and Revis is only on $6M for next year. Maybe we could cut Finley to help it happen?

PackerLegend
01-25-2013, 12:30 PM
Revis was awesome but is now a huge unknown. I don't see any of that happening besides Wood getting cut and hopefully resigned for cheaper. We have good young CBs why do we really need Revis. Now if he played OLB..

J-Mike88
01-25-2013, 03:41 PM
No way in Hell is Revis Island coming to Green Bay.
Come on guys..... if this was the opposite of anyone's MO, it's Theodore Thompson.

What are the odds you guys have that Woodson is back with us with a re-structured deal? I'll say 70%.
30% we can't get a new deal done, and we part ways.

If he does agree to a new deal, what figures you guys looking at? Where's our capologist here?
Where's Waldo?

SuperPacker
01-25-2013, 05:13 PM
No more than $5M.

BloodBrother
01-25-2013, 05:25 PM
Doing their due diligence in asking about it, but I don't see them as a serious bidder for his services.

WCH
01-25-2013, 05:48 PM
If we did trade for him, Revis would be a one-year lease for this team. He's going to the highest bidder in FA (and I'd be pretty shocked if didn't test the FA market).

SuperPacker
01-25-2013, 05:53 PM
That'd be the risk. If we did trade for him though it would probably be because we had confidence in him staying. He'd completely change our defense though. I wanna see it happen, jut because of how amazing it would be, but I don't know if it makes sense. And anyway, there is no way TT is gonna give up what the Jets want.

BloodBrother
01-25-2013, 08:35 PM
Oh yeah, getting him would be amazing, I just don't see how they can make it work

they are probably focusing more on locking up their own star players(mainly Clay Matthews) + Rodgers getting his big pay day extension

If they did get Revis, Tramon would need to be out of the picture and Woodson would probably need to be cut

WCH
01-25-2013, 08:43 PM
That'd be the risk. If we did trade for him though it would probably be because we had confidence in him staying. He'd completely change our defense though. I wanna see it happen, jut because of how amazing it would be, but I don't know if it makes sense. And anyway, there is no way TT is gonna give up what the Jets want.

I think the Jets give him up on draft day for less than people expect, because I think the Jets know they won't resign him.

I still don't think that we get him, but it's fun to dream.

mqtirishfan
01-25-2013, 09:56 PM
So Erik Walden is a FA.. does he get resigned?

Colin Kaepernick sure as hell hopes so.

PackerLegend
01-29-2013, 09:03 AM
Jennings put his WI home up for sale... not much of a surprise, could be used as leverage against the Packers but its unlikely anything will happening. He probably just knows his time is almost certainly over. Sucks because Jennings ans Woodson have been my 2 favourite players since arrival and both are likely gone.... atleast I got Cobb and Hayward!

J-Mike88
01-29-2013, 11:35 AM
Jennings and "Packers" in the same sentence going forward are done.

Let me ask you guys a question.
They often say a team's persona takes on that of it's coach.

Our defense is soft. We have one inside linebacker who has any "thump" to him, and he was out all year and might struggle to have the same movement when he returns.

We have no Dashon Goldson, Brandon Browner/Richard Sherman, any hitters back there at DB.
Burnett misses a lot of tackles.
McGinn assessed the play of Jerron McMillian and MD Jennings and they got a D+ and C-.

Who is our safeties coach?

Do you guys remember that Thompson's first choice for DC was Gregg Williams, not Dom Capers?

Would you rather have Williams or Capers?

J-Mike88
01-30-2013, 06:09 PM
Farking Farve is coming back again.... http://www.packersnews.com/viewart/20130130/PKR01/130130067/Favre-joins-NFL-Network-Super-Bowl-game-day

BloodBrother
01-31-2013, 08:45 AM
Driver announced his retirement this morning on Mike and Mike, and will formally announce it in GB on Feb 6th

A class act all the way. Thanks for the memories, DD!

PackerLegend
01-31-2013, 09:01 AM
Here's to hoping he is put in the Packers HOF before that dirtbag Favre ever sniffs it!,

senormysterioso
01-31-2013, 11:43 AM
I got fitted for a new prosthetic eye last week, check it out.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/250635_824780642669_656030670_n.jpg

SuperPacker
01-31-2013, 11:48 AM
hahaha that is awesome!

PackerLegend
01-31-2013, 01:24 PM
That really you? That's actually a really cool... gotta represent the G force anyway possible

BloodBrother
01-31-2013, 03:34 PM
"Do I feel like I can still play? Yes," Driver said. "But at the end of the day, I owe it to the fans to put the cleats up. I promised them years ago that I would never wear nothing but green and gold, so I owe it to them to walk away."

sports in general need more people like Driver.

also, senormysterioso, that's sweet

PackerLegend
01-31-2013, 04:16 PM
wow Driver is awesome... Now I feel bad although its his time.

WCH
02-03-2013, 09:22 AM
http://media.jsonline.com/images/28007144_Favre-Rodgers.jpg

Brett looks old.

SuperPacker
02-03-2013, 09:24 AM
I saw another photo in which I could barely recognize him. He looked totally different.

princefielder28
02-03-2013, 09:51 AM
I saw another photo in which I could barely recognize him. He looked totally different.

He definitely looks like Grandpa Brett

princefielder28
02-03-2013, 05:29 PM
surprised Dave Robinson's Hall of Fame induction wasn't mentioned in here

“Trying to pass over Robinson, with his arms and reaction, is like trying to pass over the Empire State Building.”

PackerLegend
02-03-2013, 10:35 PM
Brett looks weird especially with glasses. I don't care what he did as a Packer or what he does to try and kiss Packer fans asses to get back in good graces. Once a traitor always a traitor in my book. If I was Rodgers I would have refused to do anything with Brett for being a massive douche to him as teammates... but Rodgers has more class then him I guess.

bigboiajhawk
02-03-2013, 10:57 PM
I am happy 49ers made it to Super Bowl and lost!!!

Only about 7 more months till the first regular season game.

J-Mike88
02-03-2013, 11:11 PM
surprised Dave Robinson's Hall of Fame induction wasn't mentioned in here
Not one of the big names, and none of us have ever seen him play.
Was he better than Jerry Kramer?
I am happy 49ers made it to Super Bowl and lost!!!
I'm thrilled they lost, but an not happy they made it to the Super Bowl (except for the fact that I won my Super Bowl pool and $125).

princefielder28
02-04-2013, 08:01 AM
we'll likely be seeing contract extensions this off-season for Rodgers, Raji and Matthews...any guesses on the figures of the deals?

PackerLegend
02-04-2013, 09:01 AM
Rodgers will be around 20 million which sucks because it is so much but he easily deserves it. What has he been playing for lately like 10 million? I think and you have never heard him complain which is unheard of nowadays but Rodgers has shown us time and time again he is different. Matthews will get close to other top LBs get. Raji will get a decent amount prolly between average to top pay for NT.

PackerLegend
02-04-2013, 12:23 PM
What would you guys think about going after Paul Kruger? Is it even realistic... we could sure use the help.

princefielder28
02-04-2013, 12:45 PM
What would you guys think about going after Paul Kruger? Is it even realistic... we could sure use the help.

I love Paul Kruger but I think he's out of our budget.

J-Mike88
02-04-2013, 08:01 PM
What would you guys think about going after Paul Kruger? Is it even realistic... we could sure use the help.

I saw a discussion with ProFootballFocus today where someone asked about Kruger, and they said that they played Upshaw more because of the better ability against Kaepernick and the zone read stuff.
I thought that was interesting since some of you wanted us to draft Courtney Upshaw instead of Nick Perry.

I feel Matthews has been playing waaaaaay underpaid more than Rodgers, and for longer.
I'd like to see Clay get a new deal sooner than Arod.

WCH
02-05-2013, 12:02 PM
Rodgers will be around 20 million which sucks because it is so much but he easily deserves it. What has he been playing for lately like 10 million? I think and you have never heard him complain which is unheard of nowadays but Rodgers has shown us time and time again he is different. Matthews will get close to other top LBs get. Raji will get a decent amount prolly between average to top pay for NT.

I think he's been playing for $7-8 Million/year the past couple of seasons, but don't quote me on that. He does deserve some credit for not demanding a new deal, because he really could have and nobody would have held it against him. Especially with his concussion history, he's a guy who might be better off getting paid now.

J-Mike88
02-05-2013, 08:47 PM
Would Tyson Jackson or Chris Canty interest anyone here?
Unlike Worthy, these guys have prototype height for the DE we need.
Worthy, TBH, really disappointed me. I had high expectations he could be a mini Warren Sapp or John Randle. I saw little from Worthy.

I read today their teams will most likely set these 2 free.

I know Teddy pitched Canty an offer about 4 years ago. Probly too old now.
Jackson is interesting. He was the stupid Chiefs reach in 2009 when they were supposed to take Raji. It let us get Raji at 9.
Had they taken Raji like they should have, Teddy probly would have taken Michael Crabtree and not Tyson Jackson.

BloodBrother
02-06-2013, 11:36 AM
man, very proud of the Pack organization right now. This is a very well done presentation for DD's retirement. Good stuff

BloodBrother
02-06-2013, 12:07 PM
Wow, city of Green Bay stepping up

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3232/2504701615_7f20e03310_z.jpg

They are going to re-do that statue to have Driver's name on the back, his number and well obviously they'll change the little issue there in the skin color

Also got a street named after him. Donald Driver Way

princefielder28
02-06-2013, 12:28 PM
Driver deserves it all

princefielder28
02-06-2013, 03:18 PM
Ahmad Bradshaw got released today...might he be an option at RB for us?

Azhais
02-06-2013, 04:11 PM
Seems like he'd be cheap enough, but I'd be real worried about his durability. I fear he'd end up like Cedrick this year- OK for a bit, gets hurt, then we are looking at a horrible pile of committee backs

WCH
02-06-2013, 04:16 PM
"Donald Driver Way."

I like the sound of that.

J-Mike88
02-06-2013, 10:21 PM
I just finally watched the whole thing from today..... I cried like a little baby again.
I REMEMBER that 1999 preseason and this skinny-legged wide-eyed, big smile, hustling longshot.

I also remember seeing him and his little guy Christian at our church here in Grapevine in the summer of 2006. I was amazed at how thin his legs were.... I have chicken legs. I think mine were a little thicker than his.

And this guy was rarely out injured, whereas so many of our big guys now break down like ***** glass plates.

I'm gonna miss Donald so much and I am so thankful for all the great memories he's given to us.
With class.

I know so many people nowadays worship money, jobs, famous people, etc.. But I respect Driver so much for thanking God and mentioning Jesus Christ. He's very much like Reggie White in that regard. Lombardi used to value that aspect of his men, so does McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

J-Mike88
02-07-2013, 09:05 AM
Monday, 09/09/13, @ Dallas, ESPN Game-1
Sunday, 09/15/13, vs Washington
Sunday, 09/22/13, vs Atlanta, NBC
Sunday, 09/29/13, @ Detroit
Sunday, 10/06/13, @ Minnesota
Sunday, 10/13/13, vs Philadelphia
Sunday, 10/20/13, @ Chicago
Sunday, 10/27/13, vs Pittsburgh, NBC
Sunday, 11/03/13 BYE WEEK
Thursday, 11/7/13, @ San Francisco, NFL Network
Sunday, 11/17/13, vs Minnesota
Sunday, 11/24/13, vs Cleveland
Sunday, 12/01/13, @ NY Giants, NBC
Sunday, 12/08/13, vs Detroit
Sunday, 12/15/13, @ Cincinnati
Monday, 12/23/13, @ Baltimore, ESPN
Sunday, 12/29/13, vs Chicago

We don't find out until April, but if I could schedule it, here's what I have.
I give us a huge advantage over the 49ers with us having a bye week, and them a short week. Reverse the roles from the playoff week.
Also, I am reversing the injuriezzzz too. Our OL will be the one that has ZERO missed starts from our original 5 like those *****s amazingly had.
And instead of our starting ILB/OLB Bishop/Perry going out early, it will be their Willis/Brooks.
And they lose Dashon Goldson to a neck like we lost Collins.

J-Mike88
02-07-2013, 10:04 PM
I know we are not players in free agency, and I tell that to everyone. Don't get your hopes up.

But let me ax you guys this hypothetical: If Teddy was to surprise everyone and bring in a FA for a one-year guarantee with a team option after that.... which ONE of these guys would you prefer? Who would help this defense more?

These are names I have seen floating around, either FAs or released, about to be released perhaps, etc.

Safety Laron Landry
Safety Louis Delmas
DE Chris Canty
DE Tyson Jackson
ILB Rey Maualuga
OLB James Harrison

Some others are Henry Melton, Justin Durant, Philip Wheeler, and of course a lot of Cheeseheads want Paul Freddy Kruger.
Victor Butler is an interesting one for me, OLB.

PACKmanN
02-07-2013, 11:24 PM
I know we are not players in free agency, and I tell that to everyone. Don't get your hopes up.

But let me ax you guys this hypothetical: If Teddy was to surprise everyone and bring in a FA for a one-year guarantee with a team option after that.... which ONE of these guys would you prefer? Who would help this defense more?

These are names I have seen floating around, either FAs or released, about to be released perhaps, etc.

Safety Laron Landry
Safety Louis Delmas
DE Chris Canty
DE Tyson Jackson
ILB Rey Maualuga
OLB James Harrison

Some others are Henry Melton, Justin Durant, Philip Wheeler, and of course a lot of Cheeseheads want Paul Freddy Kruger.
Victor Butler is an interesting one for me, OLB.
There isn't a single part of me that believes Metlton or Kruger would sign to what the Packers will offer. Unless, they just want to win.

From the names listed

1a. Chris Canty
1b. Rey Maualuga

2a. Philip Wheeler
2b. Justin Durant

I think the front seven could use a personality like Rey. His leadership reminds me a lot of Nick Barnett's. I wouldn't mind Philip, if he comes cheap

I don't want anything to do with Harrison, Jackson, Landry, and Demlas isn't an upgrade

PackerLegend
02-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Kruger Kruger Kruger!!!

Pack_Attack_4
02-11-2013, 11:51 AM
Do u guys really think TT is gonna make a splash in FA this year? Bec i dont think we grab ne big name guys. TT likes to DD (Draft n Develop)

PackerLegend
02-11-2013, 12:18 PM
No we won't do anything again. Just wishful thinking. We do have a lot of high priced deals we need to do so its understandable this time.

J-Mike88
02-11-2013, 07:21 PM
I want Matthews to get a new mega-deal BEFORE Rodgers does.
His current is up a year before Rodgers. Fair is fair.
And he's played for more of a bargain, for EVERY YEAR as a PACKER, than Rodgers current salary is.

Pay the defensive MVP first.

BloodBrother
02-15-2013, 10:39 AM
Pack about to release Woodson

BloodBrother
02-15-2013, 10:57 AM
Sad to see this but it's the right decision for the organization

helps free up $10 mill and they'll need it for extensions for guys like Clay and Rodgers. I expect AJ Hawk to be released soon

Thanks for the memories, C-wood! One of the Packers best FA pickup's, on par with when they got Reggie White IMO. Huge impact on the team and the D. Great leader, great teacher to the young DB's

this is a big offseason for the Pack. They have now lost 2 of their leaders in Driver and Woodson.

PackerLegend
02-15-2013, 12:08 PM
I still hold hope they resign him to less.

BloodBrother
02-15-2013, 01:11 PM
I'm not seeing it

his agent's quotes, etc seem to indicate both sides have agreed to just move on

PackerLegend
02-15-2013, 04:15 PM
Yea doesn't sound like it.. it wasn't a surprise he was cut I just hope AJ goes with him. I absolutely loved Woodson. Its been tough offseason for me... him, Jennings ( another big time favourite of mine) and Driver who everyone loves. It'll be weird.

MidwestJimmy
02-15-2013, 04:50 PM
I'm not a Packers fan, but there's something I'm curious about. With Woodson gone, does that mean GB goes to a straight 3-4 defense? Or will they keep the 2-4 D and replace CW with Jarrett Bush or Casey Hayward (who I read can also play a hybrid CB/S)?

WCH
02-15-2013, 04:54 PM
I'm not seeing it

his agent's quotes, etc seem to indicate both sides have agreed to just move on

Yeah, it sounds like this isn't just a money thing. The Packers want to get younger and faster on defense and Woodson understands that this is a business and these types of moves happen.

I grew up rooting for Michigan in the 90's, so I'm just happy as crap that I got to watch him dominate for both of my two favorite teams. His Heisman year was something I'll still remember when I'm old and in a nursing home. I've had a lot of fun watching him play over the years, and I hope he does well with his next team.

princefielder28
02-15-2013, 05:17 PM
No Donald, Greg, and Chuck next year along with possibly AJ Hawk...we be getting younger!

TimmG6376
02-15-2013, 05:40 PM
I'm not a Packers fan, but there's something I'm curious about. With Woodson gone, does that mean GB goes to a straight 3-4 defense? Or will they keep the 2-4 D and replace CW with Jarrett Bush or Casey Hayward (who I read can also play a hybrid CB/S)?

I think we may see more base 3-4 but it won't necessarily be because of Woodson's departure. It is hard to stop the run with only two down linemen and stopping the run was a big weakness last season. Trogvac made comments shortly after the season ended that they may need to bring in more traditional 3-4 ends.

The 2-4 will still be used and McMillian probably has the most potential for that hybrid DB/LB role but will be in only his second year.

J-Mike88
02-15-2013, 06:46 PM
We've now lost Collins, Woodson, Jennings & Driver all from the Championship team.
Those are 4 big "Packers" to replace. Plus of course Cullen Jenkins has not been replaced yet either.

It's tough to get to the top twice these days.

J-Mike88
02-15-2013, 07:10 PM
Plenty of tank left in Woodson. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000139687/Better-right-now-Woodson-or-Reed?campaign=Twitter_videos_woodson

J-Mike88
02-19-2013, 10:09 PM
Putting aside his "bust status", OT Jason Smith earned a +4.6 @PFF run block grade and allowed just 1 sack this season in 265 snaps. #Jets

princefielder28
02-20-2013, 07:26 AM
Putting aside his "bust status", OT Jason Smith earned a +4.6 @PFF run block grade and allowed just 1 sack this season in 265 snaps. #Jets

He's a right tackle, and we're set there. I have a decent question about the right tackle position though. Since we saw Barclay play well at right tackle and our running game improved so if we experiment with Bulaga on the left side and he doesn't work there, do we let him walk after the 2014 season instead of giving him a contract extension?

Pack_Attack_4
02-20-2013, 01:08 PM
What about Derick Sherod u guys think he will get a chance to play LT for us?

princefielder28
02-20-2013, 01:10 PM
What about Derick Sherod u guys think he will get a chance to play LT for us?

He'll get a shot for sure...I think Newhouse, Bulaga and Sherrod should battle it out for the left side and may the best man win

J-Mike88
02-20-2013, 04:40 PM
How would Connor Barwin or Louis Delmas look in a Packer uniform?
What about TE Jared Cook?

These are 3 guys I would love to see added to the Packers.

WCH
02-20-2013, 05:06 PM
I'm basically an idiot, but at the time I wanted Connor Barwin over Clay.

J-Mike88
02-21-2013, 06:35 AM
I'm basically an idiot, but at the time I wanted Connor Barwin over Clay.
It's funny, a lot of people did!
A lot of people also, IIRC, wanted Aaron Maybin.

Pack_Attack_4
02-21-2013, 05:13 PM
How would Connor Barwin or Louis Delmas look in a Packer uniform?
What about TE Jared Cook?

These are 3 guys I would love to see added to the Packers.

Cook reminds me of Finly too much, Delmas i would like if healthy, and Barwin i would love to have him and Clay plus Perry would give us 3 guys that can get after the passer.

J-Mike88
02-21-2013, 05:49 PM
Cook reminds me of Finly too much, Delmas i would like if healthy, and Barwin i would love to have him and Clay plus Perry would give us 3 guys that can get after the passer.
What do you mean Cook reminds you of Finley too much?
You mean in terms of size? Speed?
Or reminds you of Finley's moodiness?

I think Cook is a better version of Finley and can be had for less $ than Finley gets.

(Even with my username)

Pack_Attack_4
02-22-2013, 11:43 AM
What do you mean Cook reminds you of Finley too much?
You mean in terms of size? Speed?
Or reminds you of Finley's moodiness?

I think Cook is a better version of Finley and can be had for less $ than Finley gets.

(Even with my username)

Hes a recving TE just like Finley so i dont see the need of spending money on a guy when we have one just like him allready.

PackerLegend
02-22-2013, 06:52 PM
Chris Canty will meet with da Packers and Jags according to PFT. Hmm I know we were interested a few years back...

princefielder28
02-23-2013, 10:08 AM
Finley is expected back now.

PackerLegend
02-23-2013, 01:31 PM
Finley is expected back now.


I'm glad which many of you may think is odd. He can be so good. He drops a lot yes but I remember hearing Jordy drops as many if not more. You just don't hear about that because its Jordy. All I want is him to just shut up and ball. But I'm not sure if he can handle being quite. He is still very young so I hold out hope he will mature.

BloodBrother
02-23-2013, 03:51 PM
Te'o said during his presser today that he met with the Packers

RB Monte Ball has also spoken with GB

USC WR Robert Woods is expected to meet with GB during the combine as well

J-Mike88
02-24-2013, 07:44 AM
Jerel Worthy.

He obviously provided less than we hoped for last year, for a borderline 1st rd prospect.
Then he finished his season on Dec 30 with the dreaded ACL tear.
Andrew Quarless tore his on Dec 4 the year before and missed all of the next year.

Adrian Peterson 2012 aside, this injury usually means a player doesn't bounce back and resemble his pre-ACL play for 2 seasons.
In Worthy's case, that pre-ACL play was negligible.

Anyone think that this guy will ever become a + force for us on the DL?

I was wondering why so many mocks have us taking a DL high again, but I'm beginning to see the light that Worthy might never give us anything good despite being a high pick.
At least he wasn't the 1st round pick like Harrell was.

princefielder28
02-24-2013, 07:49 AM
Worthy had a motor that ran hot and cold in college, he got to Green Bay and displayed a lack of discipline on the football field, and now needs to be dedicated to rehabbing from a serious knee injury. Let's talk about him again around this time next year. If he's in shape and at the facilities trying to get better, but if he's ballooning then I'll continue my skepticism of him.

princefielder28
02-24-2013, 04:55 PM
Packers are contemplating whether or not to franchise tag Jennings

TimmG6376
02-24-2013, 07:42 PM
Packers are contemplating whether or not to franchise tag Jennings

I don't see the sense unless they think a long-term deal can be worked out eventually. There is good depth on the roster at WR and while there aren't a lot of premiere talents in this draft there seem to be quite a few that would be good fits in this offense that will be available in rounds two or three.

I think franchising him with no intent in negotiating a long-term contract is only going to create a distraction. I say make your best offer for a new contract and let him test the market. There is always the chance that he won't like what he finds when he hits the market and comes back to the situation he knows instead of gambling on a new team.

J-Mike88
02-24-2013, 09:21 PM
I'd be shocked if he was back.
If Thompson gives him anywhere near what those terms are that he is asking for, I will be very disappointed.
And I love Jennings.

But what TimmG said, I agree with..... we haev plenty of young talent at WR in the trio of Cobb, Jordy & Jones. And I like what I see in Ross and Boykin.

IMO, that big chunk of $ needs to go to upgrade the defense first & foremost, and the OL second.
Kicker third. Save money there and upgrade, younger.

PackerLegend
02-25-2013, 09:00 AM
Dude give Worthy a break... the guy is a rookie and your already calling him a bust. You have got to be kidding me. I mean he wasn't spectacular or anything but I did see things I liked at times.

princefielder28
02-25-2013, 01:31 PM
Cullen Jenkins was cut earlier today...any chance we see him in green and gold again?

BloodBrother
02-25-2013, 01:35 PM
I wouldn't mind that at all, depending on the cost of course. I'm hoping it happens, especially with Worthy likely out for much of this upcoming season after surgery

I seriously am starting to think that the Packers may cut Finley, Tag Jennings and then take a TE at some point in the draft. REmember to, they should have Quarless back for this season and back in 2011 he was showing a lot of promise(and was becoming very good at blocking)

EvilMonkey
02-25-2013, 05:01 PM
Cullen Jenkins was cut earlier today...any chance we see him in green and gold again?

Depending on cost, but I'd love to give him a shot and hope he still has enough left in the tank. Losing him was huge

J-Mike88
02-27-2013, 02:39 PM
Depending on cost, but I'd love to give him a shot and hope he still has enough left in the tank. Losing him was huge
Yes it was.

I hear Chris Canty is seen to be a liklier option for us than Jenkins. I'd take either, whoever is cheaper.

What are we going to do with Finley & Hawk?

I'd like to extend Finley and lower his cap # this year.
Hawk, seems we're tied by thad bad contract, but if anyone would be willing to let us redo it, shift some money around, I think he might be. Ted has been loyal to him.

We could draft a kicker in Rd 5, 6, or 7 and save $2 million +, and get a better kicker.
The kid from Florida sounds like a big upgrade.

Pack_Attack_4
02-27-2013, 07:31 PM
Jonny Jolly just got reinstated think we give him another shot?