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johbur
01-10-2007, 02:15 AM
Off-season need areas:

1) TE. No TDs after week 7? For a WCO team, that is terrible. I understand when the Cardinals don't get TDs from their TE, as they have Boldin and Fitz, but GB should be getting 10 TDs from their trio of TEs yearly. Disgraceful! Sadly, I don't think you can get good draft value in R1 until around pick #25 with Miller/Olsen. FA would be ideal if Packers could get Tony G. Eric Johnson would be an upgrade if he passes medical scrutiny and then Packers could look R2-4 for some youth.

2) SS. Sign Manuel as the replacment coach for Shottenheimer. He gave up the most TDs and missed the most tackles on the team. If a Safety falls (Landry?) could get good value at #16. I had liked Meriweather, but he has the off-field stuff and is better suited for the Bengals, Vikings, Cowboys or Raiders. Not too many FA worth the money, with MIchael Lewis worth a look and the irony of possibly bringing in Ken Hamlin to replace Manuel...

3) FB. #2 for the FB? Absolutely. Favre has always had an excellent FB. Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennet were FBs to start, and that turned out OK for the Packers. Henderson mauled in his youth and was very good as an outlet receiver. Henderson dropped a couple of passes this year and just didn't seem to mesh with the ZBS, and Miree is not an offensive option, which limits play-calling. I like Brian Leonard more than the two TEs if Packers traded down into the twenties. He's had 45 or so TDs, averaged around 50 catches a year, and was a solid rusher between the tackles. Could help in the short yardage game, red zone, and has the speed to be a blocker for the ZBS. Any FA?

4) WR. Yep, I have this as the Packers' fourth need, and I almost dropped it to #5. I love DD. Jennings will be so much better his sophomore season. I liked Ruvell Martin and Carlyle Holiday and how they tore the Bears a new butthole. Ferguson back from injury, for better or worse. Drunkard Koren will have a shot to play and make some cash, so maybe he'll be in after game 4. Could be good value here. A receivers likley to be there at #16, like Ted Ginn, Jeff Smardizia (whatever) and Sydney Rice. I almost prefer looking for WR in FA, with Kevin Curtis a nice #3 receiver, and Bobby Engram in a crowded situation in Seattle.

5/6) Tie: RB and DE. I would just assume take care of this by bringing back Ahman Green, KGB and giving Jenkins a mid or top tier tender.
Bring in mid-round RB to provide competition maybe. But Arlis Beach is coming back from injury, and Herron only dropped one pass last year. Morency showed some potential and looks like a solid #2 guy with #1 potential once the line gets stronger and better. I see a lot of drafts with Packers-Marshawn Lynch, and tht doesn't impress me. ZBS doesn't need a first round guy, and I like Green/Morency enough that I find Lynch unnecessary. If AP fell, great. Other than him, not sure if any of the other guys excites me in R1. Maybe Bush, due to his size and speed combo, but I haven't seen a big guy like that work out in the ZBS on the other teams that run the system. Only FA I'm interested in is Michael Turner.
If Jenkins is back and staff is going to move him to starting DE, then I wouldn't mind seeing an interior pass-rusher drafted. If KGB isn't back, then DE more a need. Both could have good value at #16. For FA, I like Justin Smith more than Dwight Freeney. Smith would be a great addition if Jenkins is signed away due to his RFA and more so if KGB let go. Even with those guys, the DE depth would be tremendous and guys could play fresh and furious the entire game.

7) CB. I'm tempted to place this higher, but Blackmon is coming back from injury. It'd be nice to have four, solid CBs, especially given the age of Harris and C-Wood. Asante Samuel is my fave FA target. Not into Clements much. I don't know if he'd come over to be the third CB, but he might if there was starters money on the table. C-Wood will have a low cap number next year, so it'd be nice to see Harris get the raise he wants, and sign Samuel. That's be a great three guys, with Blackmon CB#4 and the KR.

8) OL depth. Three rookies and 3 guys who had decent first years. Good track record. I'd like to see one or two more and replace Coston and get more depth on the line. Dwayne Carswell is UFA if Packers want a veteran ZBS lineman to help these young bucks get the system down. Could be some Atlanta linemen that the Packers can get if Petrino does not want to stick with ZBS, which is what I'm hearing. Bring in Alex Gibbs as our consultant, while we're at it. Also might be worth it to get Atlanta's line coach and promote Philbin to OC.

9) LB. I don't actually think the Packers need to do anything here, other than sign Barnett long-term. However, I'd love to see Adalius Thomas signed, as the Packers would have a ton of defensive front alignment options if he were on the roster. He could even replace KGB. Packers could slide between 4-3 and 3-4, with Thomas at end or OLB, and Abdul Hodge coming in and out next to Barnett. I don't think the Packers will do anything unless a player falls to them, but I like the thought of a flexible defense, especially given that Cato June and Lance Briggs are also out there.

10) QB. This could easily go to #1, if Favre retires and Rodgers looks more impaired by his break than previously thought. I think QB school happens prior to the draft, so the Packers will know how serious this need is. Schaub and Huard are out there.

aic4ever
01-10-2007, 09:40 AM
SterlingSharpe:

Just for future reference...any of your future analysis needs to be IN ALL CAPS...because Sterling doesn't speak, STERLING YELLS SO STERLING GETS HEARD!!

70challenger457
01-10-2007, 11:23 AM
SterlingSharpe:

Just for future reference...any of your future analysis needs to be IN ALL CAPS...because Sterling doesn't speak, STERLING YELLS SO STERLING GETS HEARD!!and he's got to find out how to spell football like Sterling Sharp says it. I laugh everytime he says it, makes him sound dumber each time he says it

umphrey
01-10-2007, 01:46 PM
This is kind of a crazy thought I had the other day, but...

Do you think that Mike Williams, WR Lions could be signed and converted to a TE for the packers?

ny10804
01-10-2007, 02:36 PM
This is kind of a crazy thought I had the other day, but...

Do you think that Mike Williams, WR Lions could be signed and converted to a TE for the packers?

Only if we'd accept the fact he'd be incapable of blocking at the position.

70challenger457
01-10-2007, 02:44 PM
This is kind of a crazy thought I had the other day, but...

Do you think that Mike Williams, WR Lions could be signed and converted to a TE for the packers?Mike Williams has proved that he can be absolutly nothing in the NFL and lets leave it at that

PACKmanN
01-10-2007, 05:19 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/sokolik58/grossmanhl5.jpg
take that Grossman

SterlingSharpe
01-10-2007, 05:45 PM
This is kind of a crazy thought I had the other day, but...

Do you think that Mike Williams, WR Lions could be signed and converted to a TE for the packers?Mike Williams has proved that he can be absolutly nothing in the NFL and lets leave it at that

I hope we have 2 new Tight Ends this season in Green Bay.

And I don't mean THESE 2, although they are welcome anytime...

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/li/lilkids/1.jpg

Jim Jim
01-10-2007, 07:59 PM
I would hope that TT trades down with his pick and pick a offensive weapon like a Robert Meachem or Sidney Rice.

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 08:06 PM
This is kind of a crazy thought I had the other day, but...

Do you think that Mike Williams, WR Lions could be signed and converted to a TE for the packers?Mike Williams has proved that he can be absolutly nothing in the NFL and lets leave it at that

I hope we have 2 new Tight Ends this season in Green Bay.

And I don't mean THESE 2, although they are welcome anytime...

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/li/lilkids/1.jpg
unlike our football team, they actually got a tight end

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 08:09 PM
I would hope that TT trades down with his pick and pick a offensive weapon like a Robert Meachem or Sidney Rice.

one of guys could be avialable in round 2, maybe. THe pack needs to take Lynch.

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 09:12 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 09:15 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?

70challenger457
01-10-2007, 09:34 PM
I seriously think that SterlingSharp is by far the hornyest poster on the board, but you can't blame him for likeing hot women

70challenger457
01-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Sterling, found you a new avy
http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/customavatars/avatar372_51.gif

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 09:50 PM
Sterling, found you a new avy
http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/customavatars/avatar372_51.gif
HA

GB12
01-10-2007, 10:21 PM
So, did anyone see what Scott had to say in the chat?

bearsfan_51
01-10-2007, 10:22 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.

4pAc
01-10-2007, 10:28 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself. :|

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 10:28 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
this is relevant how????
I think you're still a little bitter from the assssss-whoopin the packers handed to your bitches

GB12
01-10-2007, 10:29 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
this is relevant how????
I think you're still a little bitter from the assssss-whoopin the packers handed to your bitches

Please don't use that argument.

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 10:30 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.

bearsfan_51
01-10-2007, 10:37 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.

sik wit it
01-10-2007, 10:38 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.
or how about no deal, this is stupid. done___________

4pAc
01-10-2007, 10:49 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.

bearsfan_51
01-10-2007, 10:52 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.
Calling our coach a "dumbass" and our team "da bitches" is practically an invitation for us to post in here. Not to mention that he is constantly making comments like that, talking ****, and then crying to the mods when I post in here.

But I'll give him credit for not pushing the issue.

4pAc
01-10-2007, 10:56 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.
Calling our coach a "dumbass" and our team "da bitches" is practically an invitation for us to post in here. Not to mention that he is constantly making comments like that, talking ***********, and then crying to the mods when I post in here.

But I'll give him credit for not pushing the issue.Yeah, bitches and dumbass are crossing the line, but why are you reading in Packers thread anyway :lol:

bearsfan_51
01-10-2007, 11:00 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.
Calling our coach a "dumbass" and our team "da bitches" is practically an invitation for us to post in here. Not to mention that he is constantly making comments like that, talking ***********, and then crying to the mods when I post in here.

But I'll give him credit for not pushing the issue.Yeah, bitches and dumbass are crossing the line, but why are you reading in Packers thread anyway :lol:
Meh..it's midnight..I'm watching The Colbert Report...and I'm on my 6th or 7th Mountain Dew.

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 11:02 PM
ok, we already had this discussion in the Bears room, everyone stop being such giant vaginas. talking **** to eachother is part of what makes football fun.

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 11:03 PM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.
Calling our coach a "dumbass" and our team "da bitches" is practically an invitation for us to post in here. Not to mention that he is constantly making comments like that, talking ***********, and then crying to the mods when I post in here.

But I'll give him credit for not pushing the issue.Yeah, bitches and dumbass are crossing the line, but why are you reading in Packers thread anyway :lol:
Meh..it's midnight..I'm watching The Colbert Report...and I'm on my 6th or 7th Mountain Dew.

shut up BF51, you know the reason your in here. Your a closet Packer fan.

bearsfan_51
01-10-2007, 11:04 PM
ok, we already had this discussion in the Bears room, everyone stop being such giant vaginas. talking *********** to eachother is part of what makes football fun.
Indeed.

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 11:22 PM
So, did anyone see what Scott had to say in the chat?

Nope, what did he say?

GB12
01-10-2007, 11:23 PM
So, did anyone see what Scott had to say in the chat?

Nope, what did he say?

I don't know.

GB12
01-10-2007, 11:31 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=551692

OC news.

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 11:40 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=551692

OC news.


I thought The OC got cancelled?







interesting, hopefully he can do a good job with rodgers.

TitleTown088
01-10-2007, 11:46 PM
BTW, anyone think it would be possible to get alex gibbs to become our offensive line consultant like he was in Atlanata?

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 12:40 AM
how big of a dumbass is lovie for saying that he is going to stick with rex no matter what. I can't wait for the seahawks to kill da bitches

what do you expect lovie to say?
You have to understand that sik wit it is legally re-tarded. He can't help himself.
and I would prefer if you didn't use that word, i have a neighbor that is mentally re-tarded and my mom used to work with kids that had that disability.
My apologies, you're right, I should be more careful with my words.

While we're on preferences, I prefer that you stop being a giant vacuum of human waste and actually put thought into your posts rather than flaling around like a flaming jagoff (is that better?). How about we call it draw? I'll stop using that word, you stop being you.Also, postng in another team's thread with the intention of starting arguments is strictly prohibited and is a sure way to get yourself in trouble.
Calling our coach a "dumbass" and our team "da bitches" is practically an invitation for us to post in here. Not to mention that he is constantly making comments like that, talking ***********, and then crying to the mods when I post in here.

But I'll give him credit for not pushing the issue.
rivals....its not like you gotta be nice to them.

nbarnett56
01-11-2007, 12:10 PM
BTW, anyone think it would be possible to get alex gibbs to become our offensive line consultant like he was in Atlanata?
I don't think we'd even need him. Jags laid down the groundwork for the system. Now it just comes down to the players executing it on the field.

Paul Hackett is now considered a canidate for our OC job.

bearsfan_51
01-11-2007, 01:41 PM
BTW, anyone think it would be possible to get alex gibbs to become our offensive line consultant like he was in Atlanata?
I don't think we'd even need him. Jags laid down the groundwork for the system. Now it just comes down to the players executing it on the field.

Paul Hackett is now considered a canidate for our OC job.
Ask Jets or Chiefs fans how they feel about Hackett as an OC.

I'd rather have Tom Clements, and that's not saying much.

SterlingSharpe
01-11-2007, 03:29 PM
Sterling, found you a new avy
http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/customavatars/avatar372_51.gif

Sweet.....

Thats a girl nobody would need to throw a life preserver to if she fell into a lake.

SterlingSharpe
01-11-2007, 03:32 PM
I just read thru a full page of posts, and it spanned about a half of day, and between the Bears fan and the other Packers guys, NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT FOOTBALL really.

Come on gentlemen. You guys are starting to remind me of, wow hard to say this but...... Vikings fans.

Please fellas. Let's raise the game a little bit here.

johbur
01-11-2007, 03:39 PM
Look back on page 70. There's a couple of team assessmnets plus we're discussing who's available in FA, potential first rounders and who at new OC.

johbur
01-11-2007, 03:42 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/sokolik58/grossmanhl5.jpg
take that Grossman

:shock: :lol: :lol: :twisted:

That's just not right...

nbarnett56
01-11-2007, 03:48 PM
BTW, anyone think it would be possible to get alex gibbs to become our offensive line consultant like he was in Atlanata?
I don't think we'd even need him. Jags laid down the groundwork for the system. Now it just comes down to the players executing it on the field.

Paul Hackett is now considered a canidate for our OC job.
Ask Jets or Chiefs fans how they feel about Hackett as an OC.

I'd rather have Tom Clements, and that's not saying much.

It really doesn't matter to me since McCarthy is the one doing the playcalling. Our OC is pretty much just a teacher.

01-11-2007, 04:12 PM
I don't know if this has already been posted but i'll post it again.

It's a review of the year done by Packers.com

There are a ton of interesting pieces of information and an interview with MM.

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2007/01/10/1/

Just click on download dope sheet

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 05:13 PM
i know there isn't a lot of agreement with who we should pick, but is there anyone you are absolutely against us picking?

70challenger457
01-11-2007, 05:24 PM
i know there isn't a lot of agreement with who we should pick, but is there anyone you are absolutely against us picking?any WR in round 1

GB12
01-11-2007, 05:35 PM
i know there isn't a lot of agreement with who we should pick, but is there anyone you are absolutely against us picking?any WR in round 1

Unless it's CJ :wink: But yeah I agree.

Vince Lombardi
01-11-2007, 05:44 PM
anybody hear anything about GB trying to trade for Randy Moss? Vikings fans seem to be getting scared. :twisted: http://mb14.scout.com/fvikingupdatefrm2.showMessage?topicID=199692.topic

We might as well get Tony Gonzalez too while we're at it. :twisted: :P

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 05:49 PM
anybody hear anything about GB trying to trade for Randy Moss? Vikings fans seem to be getting scared. :twisted: http://mb14.scout.com/fvikingupdatefrm2.showMessage?topicID=199692.topic

We might as well get Tony Gonzalez too while we're at it. :twisted: :P
i know a lot of people hate Randy Moss, but I love him and I think if Favre came back he would embrace the city of GB and have fun for just a year. I wouldn't complain if we didn't have to give up really anything.

War randy to the packers

GB12
01-11-2007, 05:51 PM
anybody hear anything about GB trying to trade for Randy Moss? Vikings fans seem to be getting scared. :twisted: http://mb14.scout.com/fvikingupdatefrm2.showMessage?topicID=199692.topic

We might as well get Tony Gonzalez too while we're at it. :twisted: :P

:lol: That's hilarious how worried they are about it.

Vince Lombardi
01-11-2007, 05:55 PM
anybody hear anything about GB trying to trade for Randy Moss? Vikings fans seem to be getting scared. :twisted: http://mb14.scout.com/fvikingupdatefrm2.showMessage?topicID=199692.topic

We might as well get Tony Gonzalez too while we're at it. :twisted: :P

:lol: That's hilarious how worried they are about it.

yea it's pretty funny.

I only ever hated Moss because he was a Viqueen, now I could care less. Obviously he's a big character risk but he has a huge amount of respect for Favre so I think he'll be cool. If Favre retires though I'd rather we not get Moss because you know he'll be a distraction if we're struggling with Aaron Rodgers.

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 06:04 PM
I don't want randy moss, he's such a cocky dickhead.

GB12
01-11-2007, 06:05 PM
anybody hear anything about GB trying to trade for Randy Moss? Vikings fans seem to be getting scared. :twisted: http://mb14.scout.com/fvikingupdatefrm2.showMessage?topicID=199692.topic

We might as well get Tony Gonzalez too while we're at it. :twisted: :P

:lol: That's hilarious how worried they are about it.

yea it's pretty funny.

I only ever hated Moss because he was a Viqueen, now I could care less. Obviously he's a big character risk but he has a huge amount of respect for Favre so I think he'll be cool. If Favre retires though I'd rather we not get Moss because you know he'll be a distraction if we're struggling with Aaron Rodgers.

I wouldn't mind it because even though he's not as good as he once was he is still definately worth a 3rd round pick. I doubt it will happen but it would help a lot.

QB-Favre
RB-Lynch
WR-Driver
WR-Moss
WR-Jennings
TE-Gonzalez

DE-Kampman
DT-Pickett
DT-Williams
DE-Jenkins/KGB
LB-Hawk
LB-Barnett
LB-Adulius Thomas
CB-Harris
CB-Woodson
S-Collins
S-Hamlin

That would be amazing if all that could happen. We would be a serious conttender. Only one, or two at the most will happen though. :(

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 06:15 PM
we'd be able to keep randy happy i'm pretty sure. Happy Randy=Rookie Days of Randy. It would be like a fricken video game with favre and him.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-11-2007, 06:54 PM
randy moss and brett favre? wow just wow. i would love for that to happen. i would give a third for moss, id even give a second.

ny10804
01-11-2007, 06:59 PM
I would very much like to have Randy Moss.

A Raider coming over to the Packers and having his best statistical season...interesting...

ny10804
01-11-2007, 07:02 PM
Just found the Packerchatters -- Scott Wright chat transcript: link (http://www.packerchatters.com/draft/draft_chat_transcripts/view.php?id=9)

LMG-Moderator: Scott welcome back to PackerChatters Draft Chat and we thank you for taking the time to come in and give us your thoughts on the Packers and the NFL Draft for 2007. Scott when you are ready we will have Faede, our Moderator this evening, start asking for questions from our list of fans with us tonight.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Thanks for having me. Let's start it up!

LMG-Moderator: Looks like Faede is late so we start with Cheese....your question

CHEESE: Your thoughts on Jarvis Moss? even though he hasn't declared yet.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Interesting player who really only had one great year, although he was certainly extremely impressive against Ohio St. Word is he will likely come out and will be either a 1st or 2nd rounder. He could also be a 3-4 OLB. As far as the decision goes I think it's somewhat questionable considering how strong the defensive end class already is but with his health history I can understand it.

LMG-Moderator: GangGreen....question?

GangGreen27: What is going on with Ramonce Talyor, and where do you see him going in the draft, if at all?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Taylor obviously has the legal, character and academic questions and I'd be shocked if he were drafted.

LMG-Moderator: GBP4...question for Scott?

GBP4EVER: I read on Mel Kiper's draft chat today they said Lynch might jump over Pederson as the first RB taken by the Texans. He then said which ever is not taken will fall to the mid first round. Would the Texans take Lynch over Pederson and if so would Pederson fall to the 16th pick?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I have nothing but respect for Mel but I don't see any way Lynch goes ahead of Peterson. He is right in saying that Lynch will probably fall to the middle of round one though because there aren't really many teams with a need at running back between Houston at #8 and Green Bay at #15.

LMG-Moderator: Geki you are next up

Geki: How do you see Ryne Robinson of Miami (Ohio) as an NFL player? Do you see him being an asset as a reciever despite his size and how good of a return man do you believe he will be at the next level?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think you take Ryne Robinson expecting him to be anything more than a #4 or #5 wideout. His real value comes on special teams as a return man and I definitely think someone should / will take a flyer on him in that capacity. I'm probably a little higher on him than most but he'll likely be a late round pick (i.e. 6th or 7th).

LMG-Moderator: Jigg...question

JiggaJig: If we were to draft one of the safeties(Landry or Nelson). Who would be a better fit for the packers?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think you could make a case for either and Nelson being able to potentially play some corner as well would certainly help his cause. With that said I think Landry would be a better compliment to Nick Collins in the deep patrol.

LMG-Moderator: moose you are next

moose: At what pick do you see a drop in talent in the first round? How are the Packers positioned at pick 16, i.e. at the end of a expected drop, middle, beginning? Based on this would you advise a trade up or down or stay put?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: It's still tough to say where the talent drop will be because we are still waiting on underclassmen but I think the "Elite" guys end at three for me, with those being Quinn, Johnson and Thomas. After that I think there will probably be another drop at around #10 or #11. As far the the Packers positioning goes I think they are all right and should be able to address one of their many needs in the secondary, at wideout, running back or defensive line.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think they should stay right where they are though because with so many need they can't afford to be giving away valuable draft picks.

LMG-Moderator: PFan?

Packerfan: Thanks for coming Scott, great site. How much has Doug Free's stock fallen this year? He seemed like a for sure 1st day pick preseason but as of late has really sucked it up. What do you think his problems are and where do you think he will go.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: His stock has definitely fallen but part of the reason for that decline in his play was that he was battling groin and foot injuries for most of the season but played through them. I think he can still be a 1st Day pick but I'd put him in the 3rd or 4th round category right now, although that might be a little optimistic at this time. He's a poor-man's Daryn Colledge in my opinion.

LMG-Moderator: george....question?

george_allen: Scott, do you see jamaal anderson pushing gaines adams for the 1st defensive end off the board come april?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Anderson could go ahead of Adams, it really just depends on what a team wants. If they want the speedy edge pass rusher then Gaines is their guy. If they want more of an all-around guy then they might go Jamaal.


LMG-Moderator: Phoenix...question?

Phoenix138: Which of the corners would you consider good value at #16?


ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Darrelle Revis would be a good value at #16 and you could make a case for Marcus McCauley as well.


LMG-Moderator: Terry....question?

TTerry: Someone I was really high on last year was Daneal Manning, do you see a player like him this year, from a division 2 or 3 school that could shoot up draft boards and be taken in the first 2 rounds?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: There aren't any sleeper prospect of Manning's caliber this year but Hampton has a handful of prospects. The best two are LB Justin Durant and CB Tarvarrous Bain (formerly of Miami). I think both could fit in that 3rd-4th round area. Keep an eye on former Duke and current Deleware TE Ben Patrick and Brown LB Zak DeOssie as well.


LMG-Moderator Jan 10-Scott Wright-NFL Draft Countdown Chat Rrrrrrr....question for Scott

R man: How would Ted Ginn Jr fit in with the Packers and how would he do as a kickoff return man in the NFL? Thanks Scott

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Ted Ginn would be an outstanding fit for Green Bay, although I'd be somewhat surprised if he last until #15. He'll be an outstanding special teamer too and that is a big part of the value he brings to the table.

LMG-Moderator: bvbagel......question?

bvbagel: where do you see any of the WRs from texas tech, going in the draft? if so where?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Joel Filani would be the top prospect among the Red Raider wideouts right now but none of them are top prospects. I'd say Filani is probably a 5th or 6th rounder while Hicks and Johnson shortly thereafter.

LMG-Moderator: Cheese you are next

CHEESE: How is Greg Olsen's longsnapping and where do you have him right now? And wasn't McCauley benched at times this year?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: BTW, Sorry I kept saying #15 for the Packers when they are in fact picking #16. Brain cramp.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Olsen will be either the 1st or 2nd tight end drafted this year and he's probably a late first or second round pick. I actually think he's a little underrated right now. As for the long-snapping, having that skill in his repotoir sure doesn't hurt. On McCauley, he did struggle at times but wasn't nearly as bad as the casual observer thinks. Anyone who looks at his junior film will have him as a Top 10 pick but he'll probably land in that 15-25 range.

LMG-Moderator: C-burger have a question?

cheeseburger: i got a question

LMG-Moderator: go ahead

LMG-Moderator: DetPack....question?

cheeseburger: the browns are in a very interesting spot, and i could see us getting a very big name there. who do u see us taking, besides brady quinn because he is very overrated and deosnt deserve the third pick in the draft

DetPack: What about Antonio PitMann in the 3rd Round?

LMG-Moderator: OK...we'll let Scott catch up

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I will have them taking Brady Quinn in my new mock draft next week and I think that would be an outstanding pick for them. Charlie Frye is solid but he hasn't shown enough to justify passing on Quinn, who is the type you can build a franchise around. Don't underestimate that Weis / Crennel connection either. Other options would include Joe Thomas and Alan Branch.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Antonio Pittman would be a solid pick for them and he'd probably slot in right around the 3rd round if he comes out.

LMG-Moderator: GangGreen?

GangGreen27: where do you see limas sweed going in the draft? how much of an impact do you think can he make as a rookie in the nfl? By the what is your take on Chris Wells in 08?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think #3 is a little high for Peterson and they have had enough trouble with injuries when it comes to their top picks.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: If Limas Sweed comes out, which he shouldn't and I don't think he will, he'd be a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.

LMG-Moderator: GBP4 you are up

GBP4EVER: Will Stocco get picked?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: It's possible but I'd say unlikely. Stocco is a nice college quarterback but his pro potential is very limited. He's not in the same class as Brooks Bollinger.

faede-moderator: geki, you're question please

Geki: Do you think Daymeion Hughes would be successful in the Packers man coverage-heavy scheme, and if so, do you think he would be a good value in the second round?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Hughes is one of the most overrated players in this draft and if he runs as expected I see him being a 3rd round pick. He's very similar to Alan Zemaitis in my opinion. As far as the Packers are concerned I think just about anybody would improve their depth but I don't see Hughes being a good fit schematically.

faede-moderator: george_allen, your question please

george_allen: if jarvis moss does declare, where about do you expect you'd slot him in your top 100 and defensive end position rankings?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I haven't really thought about it but off the top of my head I'd probably have Jarvis Moss in that 5-8 range among d-ends (this is a VERY strong class at the position), which would put him in the 40-60 range in the overall I believe.

faede-moderator: Hawkeyefan, your question please

HawkeyeFan: Scott. Do who do you think is the best SLB prospect in this years draft? And also, could Patrick Willis move to SLB?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: The best strongside prospect could end up being Stewart Bradley of Nebraska and he may go as high as the 2nd or 3rd round. As for Willis, I think he could potentially play any of the linebacker positions and it all just depends on scheme.

faede-moderator: JiggaJig, you're question please

JiggaJig: Who do you think the packers will take in the draft?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I will have a new mock draft up next week and I'll probably have Green Bay taking either Marshawn Lynch or Dwayne Jarrett...

faede-moderator: Mantle, your question please

mantle: A lot of people have said how T.Smith might have lost some value in the National Championship game, my question is more about Pitcock who also didn't look very good in the adjusted speed of the SEC. Do you think he lost value as well?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Pitcock wasn't quite the stud pro prospect that some thought to begin with. I really don't think his stock fell that much but he certainly won't be a Top 10-15 overall pick either. He'll probably go late in round one. Just a note on Pitcock, there is as wide of a range of opinions on him as any player in this draft. Some feel he's an elite player while others wouldn't take him on Day One. Scouts either love or hate him.

faede-moderator: Moose, your question please

moose: Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers? Where would he likely rank in this draft and do see him as the answer for the pack if Favre retires?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I was and still am as big of an Aaron Rodgers fan out there. Still, in this draft he's only be the 3rd ranked QB and maybe 4th of Brohm comes out. I really do think he can be the long-term answer for Green Bay, he just really hasn't gotten many opportunities yet.

faede-moderator: NGSeiler, your question please

NGSeiler: Do you think the potential loss of Kevin Curtis to free agency makes wide receiver a first day consideration for the Rams, or do you feel their defense's weaknesses should be a draft priority?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think the Rams have to go defense, defense and more defense. If they lose both Curtis and McDonald as expected I do see them taking a wideout at some point, but probably not on the first day.

faede-moderator: Pasture, your question please

pasture: what is the probability of ginn at #16

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: If he is there I think there is a high probability he'll be a Packer. Will he be there? I doubt it.

faede-moderator: Philliez01, your question please

Philliez01: Hey Scott, I'm a pretty big follower of some of the "small school" performers and one name that I keep glancing at is Justin Durant. I'm wondering if he actually possesses a chance at being a SSLB or a WLB in a Cover-2 system? He appears to have the speed, strength and capability to be a sleeper in this draft. Is he a legit player or just a guy from Hampton who picks on smaller competition? Thanks for answering my question and I'm eagerly awaiting a scouting report on Rascati!

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: He's a legit player and could have performed against a higher level of competition. He plays the middle in college and could stay there in the right scheme but if he moves outside at the next level he'll fit in better as a WILL than as a SAM. Durant is one of the top sleeper prospects available and could go on the first day.

faede-moderator: Phoenix138, your question please

Phoenix138: Does the Cal offense scare you at all with regards to Lynch, especially considering how the previous two starting runningbacks have performed in the NFL? Or does Lynch have too much athletic ability? Do you have him in that 2nd tier of top 10 or 11 players?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I'm definitely not as high on Lynch as some are (i.e. Kiper) but he is a nice player and reminds me a lot of Marshawn Lynch. Top 10 would be too early for my tastes but I have no problem with him in the 15-20 range. As far as him transitioning to the next level, I don't foresee his college scheme being a problem.

faede-moderator: Rman, your question please

R man: Scott what about Robert Meacham WR Tennessee for the Packers?

Geki: You said Marshawn Lynch reminds you a lot of Marshawn Lynch. Care to clarify?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think the middle of round one would be too high for Meachem but if he slid to them in round two I think that would be an excellent pick.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Sorry for the typo, I meant to say that Marshawn Lynch reminds me of Laurence Maroney.

faede-moderator: Randolph, your question please

Randolph Hiedler: Who do you consider the best small school prospect at Rb

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: There are a number of good small school running backs this year. I like Germaine Race of Pittsburg St. the best by just a little but but Alonzo Coleman of Hampton is a good one too. Then there is Alvin Banks of James Madison as well.

faede-moderator: Score your question please

Score: Scott, I am a big follower of the Pac-10. Who are your Pac-10 Sleepers?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I'm not sure you can call any Pac-10 players "sleepers" but there are some guys who I think are underrated. Off the top of my head a prospect I REALLY like is Stanford QB Trent Edwards.


faede-moderator: V.Young, your question please

V. Young: Scott Wright, what round do you think Dante Resario TE from Oregon will go in, and what team might want him? Also will he have a good combine?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Resario will be a late rounder at best and might go undrafted. Some teams will look at him as a tight end and some will see him as a fullback or H-Back. I don't see him being a workout warrior though.

faede-moderator: big harv, your question please

big harv: how much do you think gaines adams age will hurt him

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think his age will be that much of a factor. It's not like he is 30-years-old or anything, he's basically only a little over a year older than "normal" prospects.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Adams will be a Top 10 pick.


faede-moderator: bram31, your question please

bram31: Are there any RB's coming out that would do well in the one-cut zone blocking scheme the Pack uses? If so, what rounds would they look to get that player(s)?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Keep an eye on former Minnesota running back Gary Russell. He played in a zone blocking scheme with the Gophers and was very successful. I think he's a major sleeper prospect and could be a steal for someone in the middle rounds.

CHEESE: Posluszny, inside or outside and what round?

faede-moderator: bvbagel, your question please

bvbagel: do you see the packers taking a TE? if yes, where?

CHEESE: sorry

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I like Posluszny on the outside but he could play either. Late round one for him in my opinion.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Yes, I think the Packers will take a tight end. Maybe as early as the 2nd or 3rd round.

faede-moderator: Cheesus, your question please

Cheesus: Do you think Lawrence Timmons will have an immediate impact on the team that drafts him or do you think it will take him at least a year to develop into a solid contributor? (I'm wondering if he is top 15 draft worthy)

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think he can be an immediate impact player despite being raw. I do see him going in the top half of the first round because he'll be a workout warrior. I will probably have him going #13 to St. Louis in my next mock.

faede-moderator: darren, your question please

darrenF619: Depending on who's available at the Chargers' pick, do you see them going safety first or wide receiver? And who would you see them taking?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think safety is a more pressing concern and a guy like Michael Griffin would be an outstanding pick for them if he's there. The value at wide receiver should be excellent as well though with Rice, Meachem, Samardzija, Bowe and Davis all possibilites.

faede-moderator: ddgronseth, your question please

faede-moderator: Detpack your question please

DetPack: Better free safety - Reggie Nelson or Laron Landry? Both are ballhawks and playmakers. Could they be avail. at Pick #16. and fill a great need for the Pack?

ddgronseth: Do you think Josh Gattis would be a good pick for Green Bay in the middle rounds? and is he a good coverage safety?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Yea, I think Gattis would be a nice pickup in the middle rounds. He is a little more of an in-the-box type but he can hold his own in coverage as well.

faede-moderator: we'll do DetPack's question also before we move on... DetPack] Better free safety - Reggie Nelson or Laron Landry? Both are ballhawks and playmakers. Could they be avail. at Pick #16. and fill a great need for the Pack?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Landry would be a better fit as a compliment to Nick Collins but Nelson's ability to potentially play some corner as well could work in his favor.

faede-moderator: ganggreen27, your question

GangGreen27: What is Baraka Atkins' situation? What does he project as in the nfl? De, or Dt?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Atkins is a 'tweener and the $64,000 question is where does he fit best. In my opinion he's a 3-4 defensive end. His stock has fallen though and he was even benched at one point as a senior. I see him going in the 4th or 5th round.

faede-moderator: geki, your question

Geki: Where do you see Brian Leonard and Joe Staley going, and do you see Green Bay going with either in the second if they make it that far?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think both will ultimately be 2nd rounders, although Staley has a chance to slide into round one. Staley definitely won't be an option for Green Bay though and I think they have bigger needs than fullback to address with their premium selections.

faede-moderator: george_allen, your question please

george_allen: before he bcs bowl i had noticed the wide spread of rankings on quinn pitcock that you mentioned earlier - what would you say is the most commonly sited cause for the lesser opinions of him - production? size? i've got to guess being a ohio state lineman that he's plenty strong, no?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Pitcock isn't nearly as athletic as his workout numbers would lead you to believe, he racked up a lot of his numbers against lesser competition and has short arms. He has a great motor though. I think the big thing is that people see him being a solid starter but not an impact player by any stretch of the imagination and when you're investing a Top 15 pick in a guy you want more than solid.

faede-moderator: Ibleedgreen&gold

IBleedGreen&Gold: Are there any d lineman in the 3-5 rounds that could be a sleeper

faede-moderator: hawkeyefan, your question please

HawkeyeFan: David Harris LB from Michigan how versatile is he? Can he play a SLB position or is he a product of his teammates? Same with HB Blades

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think there is a lot of versatility there with David Harris and in my opinion he's more of a two-down run thumper in the NFL. As for Blades, he'll either be a middle or weakside linebacker in the pros depending on scheme.

faede-moderator: I bleed's question next: IBleedGreen&Gold] Are there any d lineman in the 3-5 rounds that could be a sleeper

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: The big sleeper to watch out for on the d-line right now is tackle Ryan McBean of Oklahoma St., who has a ton of potential and is moving way up draft boards. At end Ikaika Alama-Francis of Hawaii is a hot name right now (due in part to Mel Kiper).

faede-moderator: Isaiah, your question please

isiah: I like how you've stated the Packers needs by position on your website. With this draft being deeper in some positions more than others, what positions can the Packers afford to what on ldrafting for in later rounds?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think they can afford to wait on wide receiver so if Marshawn Lynch is there in round one I'd jump on him because the running back crop isn't very strong. At both wideout and safety there should still be plenty of value in rounds two and three.

faede-moderator: Limby, your question please

limby: Hey guys, most people believe you don't need to take a RB in the 1st (ala denver)and the safety position doesn't merit a 1st as well. That said, what DL, or WR will be available at 16 or will TT trade down once again? Any tall burners (wr) we should be looking at in the later rounds?


ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Ginn and Jarrett would be the two wideouts to watch for at #16. As far as defensive linemen go keep an eye on Quentin Moses, Adam Carriker, Amobi Okoye, and DeMarcus Tyler.

faede-moderator: Mhage, your question please

mhage421: Same kinda question. Who are a few of your late round WR sleepers? I'm hearing lots of depth is there in the late rounds.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: My top late round sleeper at receiver is Brandon Myles of West Viriginia. He has all the physical tools but just wasn't afforded many opportunities in the Mountaineers run-orientated attack.

faede-moderator: NGSeiler, your question please

NGSeiler: Scott, what's your opinion on Fresno State receiver Paul Williams? It seems like he has all the physical tools but hasn't been able to put it together consistently on the field. I've also read some rumors about him not wanting to play receiver at the next level. Any thoughts on that and what round would you start looking at him in what seems like a very strong WR class?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Williams is an enigma in that he does have all the physical tools (6-2, 210, 4.35) but was not very productive at all. He could be a workout warrior though and I still wouldn't be surprised if he went on the first day. I'd look at him in round three personally.

faede-moderator: Pasture is the last question of the night then, Pasture?

pasture: how good is wright RB, fresno state, and kolby smith RB,lou/ville

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I really like Wright and if he can stay healthy he could be the next Frank Gore. Durability is a major concern there though. As for Kolby Smith, he has the measurables you look for but doesn't always play up to them and is a bit of an underachiever. I envision both in the round four to five area.


LMG-Moderator: This concludes tonights Draft Chat and we thank Scott for joining us here again this year. Scott's next visit with us will be on Feb. 21. Check our Calendar on PackerChatters.com for our complete Chat schedule. Be sure to stop by the NFL Draft Countdown for great information on the NFL Draft all year long. We will have a complete Chat Transcript up as usual on the PackerChatters Front Page later this evening.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Thanks for having me!

Boston
01-11-2007, 07:18 PM
Anybody have the video of Moss getting off the bench and saying something to the extent of, "Favre is playing, I can't miss this?"

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 07:20 PM
Just found the Packerchatters -- Scott Wright chat transcript: link (http://www.packerchatters.com/draft/draft_chat_transcripts/view.php?id=9)

LMG-Moderator: Scott welcome back to PackerChatters Draft Chat and we thank you for taking the time to come in and give us your thoughts on the Packers and the NFL Draft for 2007. Scott when you are ready we will have Faede, our Moderator this evening, start asking for questions from our list of fans with us tonight.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Thanks for having me. Let's start it up!

LMG-Moderator: Looks like Faede is late so we start with Cheese....your question

CHEESE: Your thoughts on Jarvis Moss? even though he hasn't declared yet.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Interesting player who really only had one great year, although he was certainly extremely impressive against Ohio St. Word is he will likely come out and will be either a 1st or 2nd rounder. He could also be a 3-4 OLB. As far as the decision goes I think it's somewhat questionable considering how strong the defensive end class already is but with his health history I can understand it.

LMG-Moderator: GangGreen....question?

GangGreen27: What is going on with Ramonce Talyor, and where do you see him going in the draft, if at all?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Taylor obviously has the legal, character and academic questions and I'd be shocked if he were drafted.

LMG-Moderator: GBP4...question for Scott?

GBP4EVER: I read on Mel Kiper's draft chat today they said Lynch might jump over Pederson as the first RB taken by the Texans. He then said which ever is not taken will fall to the mid first round. Would the Texans take Lynch over Pederson and if so would Pederson fall to the 16th pick?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I have nothing but respect for Mel but I don't see any way Lynch goes ahead of Peterson. He is right in saying that Lynch will probably fall to the middle of round one though because there aren't really many teams with a need at running back between Houston at #8 and Green Bay at #15.

LMG-Moderator: Geki you are next up

Geki: How do you see Ryne Robinson of Miami (Ohio) as an NFL player? Do you see him being an asset as a reciever despite his size and how good of a return man do you believe he will be at the next level?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think you take Ryne Robinson expecting him to be anything more than a #4 or #5 wideout. His real value comes on special teams as a return man and I definitely think someone should / will take a flyer on him in that capacity. I'm probably a little higher on him than most but he'll likely be a late round pick (i.e. 6th or 7th).

LMG-Moderator: Jigg...question

JiggaJig: If we were to draft one of the safeties(Landry or Nelson). Who would be a better fit for the packers?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think you could make a case for either and Nelson being able to potentially play some corner as well would certainly help his cause. With that said I think Landry would be a better compliment to Nick Collins in the deep patrol.

LMG-Moderator: moose you are next

moose: At what pick do you see a drop in talent in the first round? How are the Packers positioned at pick 16, i.e. at the end of a expected drop, middle, beginning? Based on this would you advise a trade up or down or stay put?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: It's still tough to say where the talent drop will be because we are still waiting on underclassmen but I think the "Elite" guys end at three for me, with those being Quinn, Johnson and Thomas. After that I think there will probably be another drop at around #10 or #11. As far the the Packers positioning goes I think they are all right and should be able to address one of their many needs in the secondary, at wideout, running back or defensive line.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think they should stay right where they are though because with so many need they can't afford to be giving away valuable draft picks.

LMG-Moderator: PFan?

Packerfan: Thanks for coming Scott, great site. How much has Doug Free's stock fallen this year? He seemed like a for sure 1st day pick preseason but as of late has really sucked it up. What do you think his problems are and where do you think he will go.

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: His stock has definitely fallen but part of the reason for that decline in his play was that he was battling groin and foot injuries for most of the season but played through them. I think he can still be a 1st Day pick but I'd put him in the 3rd or 4th round category right now, although that might be a little optimistic at this time. He's a poor-man's Daryn Colledge in my opinion.

LMG-Moderator: george....question?

george_allen: Scott, do you see jamaal anderson pushing gaines adams for the 1st defensive end off the board come april?

Scott Wright-NFLDraftCountDown: Anderson could go ahead of Adams, it really just depends on what a team wants. If they want the speedy edge pass rusher then Gaines is their guy. If they want more of an all-around guy then they might go Jamaal.


LMG-Moderator: Phoenix...question?

Phoenix138: Which of the corners would you consider good value at #16?


ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Darrelle Revis would be a good value at #16 and you could make a case for Marcus McCauley as well.


LMG-Moderator: Terry....question?

TTerry: Someone I was really high on last year was Daneal Manning, do you see a player like him this year, from a division 2 or 3 school that could shoot up draft boards and be taken in the first 2 rounds?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: There aren't any sleeper prospect of Manning's caliber this year but Hampton has a handful of prospects. The best two are LB Justin Durant and CB Tarvarrous Bain (formerly of Miami). I think both could fit in that 3rd-4th round area. Keep an eye on former Duke and current Deleware TE Ben Patrick and Brown LB Zak DeOssie as well.


LMG-Moderator Jan 10-Scott Wright-NFL Draft Countdown Chat Rrrrrrr....question for Scott

R man: How would Ted Ginn Jr fit in with the Packers and how would he do as a kickoff return man in the NFL? Thanks Scott

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Ted Ginn would be an outstanding fit for Green Bay, although I'd be somewhat surprised if he last until #15. He'll be an outstanding special teamer too and that is a big part of the value he brings to the table.

LMG-Moderator: bvbagel......question?

bvbagel: where do you see any of the WRs from texas tech, going in the draft? if so where?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Joel Filani would be the top prospect among the Red Raider wideouts right now but none of them are top prospects. I'd say Filani is probably a 5th or 6th rounder while Hicks and Johnson shortly thereafter.

LMG-Moderator: Cheese you are next

CHEESE: How is Greg Olsen's longsnapping and where do you have him right now? And wasn't McCauley benched at times this year?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: BTW, Sorry I kept saying #15 for the Packers when they are in fact picking #16. Brain cramp.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Olsen will be either the 1st or 2nd tight end drafted this year and he's probably a late first or second round pick. I actually think he's a little underrated right now. As for the long-snapping, having that skill in his repotoir sure doesn't hurt. On McCauley, he did struggle at times but wasn't nearly as bad as the casual observer thinks. Anyone who looks at his junior film will have him as a Top 10 pick but he'll probably land in that 15-25 range.

LMG-Moderator: C-burger have a question?

cheeseburger: i got a question

LMG-Moderator: go ahead

LMG-Moderator: DetPack....question?

cheeseburger: the browns are in a very interesting spot, and i could see us getting a very big name there. who do u see us taking, besides brady quinn because he is very overrated and deosnt deserve the third pick in the draft

DetPack: What about Antonio PitMann in the 3rd Round?

LMG-Moderator: OK...we'll let Scott catch up

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I will have them taking Brady Quinn in my new mock draft next week and I think that would be an outstanding pick for them. Charlie Frye is solid but he hasn't shown enough to justify passing on Quinn, who is the type you can build a franchise around. Don't underestimate that Weis / Crennel connection either. Other options would include Joe Thomas and Alan Branch.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Antonio Pittman would be a solid pick for them and he'd probably slot in right around the 3rd round if he comes out.

LMG-Moderator: GangGreen?

GangGreen27: where do you see limas sweed going in the draft? how much of an impact do you think can he make as a rookie in the nfl? By the what is your take on Chris Wells in 08?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think #3 is a little high for Peterson and they have had enough trouble with injuries when it comes to their top picks.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: If Limas Sweed comes out, which he shouldn't and I don't think he will, he'd be a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.

LMG-Moderator: GBP4 you are up

GBP4EVER: Will Stocco get picked?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: It's possible but I'd say unlikely. Stocco is a nice college quarterback but his pro potential is very limited. He's not in the same class as Brooks Bollinger.

faede-moderator: geki, you're question please

Geki: Do you think Daymeion Hughes would be successful in the Packers man coverage-heavy scheme, and if so, do you think he would be a good value in the second round?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Hughes is one of the most overrated players in this draft and if he runs as expected I see him being a 3rd round pick. He's very similar to Alan Zemaitis in my opinion. As far as the Packers are concerned I think just about anybody would improve their depth but I don't see Hughes being a good fit schematically.

faede-moderator: george_allen, your question please

george_allen: if jarvis moss does declare, where about do you expect you'd slot him in your top 100 and defensive end position rankings?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I haven't really thought about it but off the top of my head I'd probably have Jarvis Moss in that 5-8 range among d-ends (this is a VERY strong class at the position), which would put him in the 40-60 range in the overall I believe.

faede-moderator: Hawkeyefan, your question please

HawkeyeFan: Scott. Do who do you think is the best SLB prospect in this years draft? And also, could Patrick Willis move to SLB?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: The best strongside prospect could end up being Stewart Bradley of Nebraska and he may go as high as the 2nd or 3rd round. As for Willis, I think he could potentially play any of the linebacker positions and it all just depends on scheme.

faede-moderator: JiggaJig, you're question please

JiggaJig: Who do you think the packers will take in the draft?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I will have a new mock draft up next week and I'll probably have Green Bay taking either Marshawn Lynch or Dwayne Jarrett...

faede-moderator: Mantle, your question please

mantle: A lot of people have said how T.Smith might have lost some value in the National Championship game, my question is more about Pitcock who also didn't look very good in the adjusted speed of the SEC. Do you think he lost value as well?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Pitcock wasn't quite the stud pro prospect that some thought to begin with. I really don't think his stock fell that much but he certainly won't be a Top 10-15 overall pick either. He'll probably go late in round one. Just a note on Pitcock, there is as wide of a range of opinions on him as any player in this draft. Some feel he's an elite player while others wouldn't take him on Day One. Scouts either love or hate him.

faede-moderator: Moose, your question please

moose: Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers? Where would he likely rank in this draft and do see him as the answer for the pack if Favre retires?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I was and still am as big of an Aaron Rodgers fan out there. Still, in this draft he's only be the 3rd ranked QB and maybe 4th of Brohm comes out. I really do think he can be the long-term answer for Green Bay, he just really hasn't gotten many opportunities yet.

faede-moderator: NGSeiler, your question please

NGSeiler: Do you think the potential loss of Kevin Curtis to free agency makes wide receiver a first day consideration for the Rams, or do you feel their defense's weaknesses should be a draft priority?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think the Rams have to go defense, defense and more defense. If they lose both Curtis and McDonald as expected I do see them taking a wideout at some point, but probably not on the first day.

faede-moderator: Pasture, your question please

pasture: what is the probability of ginn at #16

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: If he is there I think there is a high probability he'll be a Packer. Will he be there? I doubt it.

faede-moderator: Philliez01, your question please

Philliez01: Hey Scott, I'm a pretty big follower of some of the "small school" performers and one name that I keep glancing at is Justin Durant. I'm wondering if he actually possesses a chance at being a SSLB or a WLB in a Cover-2 system? He appears to have the speed, strength and capability to be a sleeper in this draft. Is he a legit player or just a guy from Hampton who picks on smaller competition? Thanks for answering my question and I'm eagerly awaiting a scouting report on Rascati!

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: He's a legit player and could have performed against a higher level of competition. He plays the middle in college and could stay there in the right scheme but if he moves outside at the next level he'll fit in better as a WILL than as a SAM. Durant is one of the top sleeper prospects available and could go on the first day.

faede-moderator: Phoenix138, your question please

Phoenix138: Does the Cal offense scare you at all with regards to Lynch, especially considering how the previous two starting runningbacks have performed in the NFL? Or does Lynch have too much athletic ability? Do you have him in that 2nd tier of top 10 or 11 players?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I'm definitely not as high on Lynch as some are (i.e. Kiper) but he is a nice player and reminds me a lot of Marshawn Lynch. Top 10 would be too early for my tastes but I have no problem with him in the 15-20 range. As far as him transitioning to the next level, I don't foresee his college scheme being a problem.

faede-moderator: Rman, your question please

R man: Scott what about Robert Meacham WR Tennessee for the Packers?

Geki: You said Marshawn Lynch reminds you a lot of Marshawn Lynch. Care to clarify?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think the middle of round one would be too high for Meachem but if he slid to them in round two I think that would be an excellent pick.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Sorry for the typo, I meant to say that Marshawn Lynch reminds me of Laurence Maroney.

faede-moderator: Randolph, your question please

Randolph Hiedler: Who do you consider the best small school prospect at Rb

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: There are a number of good small school running backs this year. I like Germaine Race of Pittsburg St. the best by just a little but but Alonzo Coleman of Hampton is a good one too. Then there is Alvin Banks of James Madison as well.

faede-moderator: Score your question please

Score: Scott, I am a big follower of the Pac-10. Who are your Pac-10 Sleepers?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I'm not sure you can call any Pac-10 players "sleepers" but there are some guys who I think are underrated. Off the top of my head a prospect I REALLY like is Stanford QB Trent Edwards.


faede-moderator: V.Young, your question please

V. Young: Scott Wright, what round do you think Dante Resario TE from Oregon will go in, and what team might want him? Also will he have a good combine?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Resario will be a late rounder at best and might go undrafted. Some teams will look at him as a tight end and some will see him as a fullback or H-Back. I don't see him being a workout warrior though.

faede-moderator: big harv, your question please

big harv: how much do you think gaines adams age will hurt him

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think his age will be that much of a factor. It's not like he is 30-years-old or anything, he's basically only a little over a year older than "normal" prospects.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Adams will be a Top 10 pick.


faede-moderator: bram31, your question please

bram31: Are there any RB's coming out that would do well in the one-cut zone blocking scheme the Pack uses? If so, what rounds would they look to get that player(s)?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Keep an eye on former Minnesota running back Gary Russell. He played in a zone blocking scheme with the Gophers and was very successful. I think he's a major sleeper prospect and could be a steal for someone in the middle rounds.

CHEESE: Posluszny, inside or outside and what round?

faede-moderator: bvbagel, your question please

bvbagel: do you see the packers taking a TE? if yes, where?

CHEESE: sorry

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I like Posluszny on the outside but he could play either. Late round one for him in my opinion.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Yes, I think the Packers will take a tight end. Maybe as early as the 2nd or 3rd round.

faede-moderator: Cheesus, your question please

Cheesus: Do you think Lawrence Timmons will have an immediate impact on the team that drafts him or do you think it will take him at least a year to develop into a solid contributor? (I'm wondering if he is top 15 draft worthy)

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think he can be an immediate impact player despite being raw. I do see him going in the top half of the first round because he'll be a workout warrior. I will probably have him going #13 to St. Louis in my next mock.

faede-moderator: darren, your question please

darrenF619: Depending on who's available at the Chargers' pick, do you see them going safety first or wide receiver? And who would you see them taking?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think safety is a more pressing concern and a guy like Michael Griffin would be an outstanding pick for them if he's there. The value at wide receiver should be excellent as well though with Rice, Meachem, Samardzija, Bowe and Davis all possibilites.

faede-moderator: ddgronseth, your question please

faede-moderator: Detpack your question please

DetPack: Better free safety - Reggie Nelson or Laron Landry? Both are ballhawks and playmakers. Could they be avail. at Pick #16. and fill a great need for the Pack?

ddgronseth: Do you think Josh Gattis would be a good pick for Green Bay in the middle rounds? and is he a good coverage safety?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Yea, I think Gattis would be a nice pickup in the middle rounds. He is a little more of an in-the-box type but he can hold his own in coverage as well.

faede-moderator: we'll do DetPack's question also before we move on... DetPack] Better free safety - Reggie Nelson or Laron Landry? Both are ballhawks and playmakers. Could they be avail. at Pick #16. and fill a great need for the Pack?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Landry would be a better fit as a compliment to Nick Collins but Nelson's ability to potentially play some corner as well could work in his favor.

faede-moderator: ganggreen27, your question

GangGreen27: What is Baraka Atkins' situation? What does he project as in the nfl? De, or Dt?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Atkins is a 'tweener and the $64,000 question is where does he fit best. In my opinion he's a 3-4 defensive end. His stock has fallen though and he was even benched at one point as a senior. I see him going in the 4th or 5th round.

faede-moderator: geki, your question

Geki: Where do you see Brian Leonard and Joe Staley going, and do you see Green Bay going with either in the second if they make it that far?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think both will ultimately be 2nd rounders, although Staley has a chance to slide into round one. Staley definitely won't be an option for Green Bay though and I think they have bigger needs than fullback to address with their premium selections.

faede-moderator: george_allen, your question please

george_allen: before he bcs bowl i had noticed the wide spread of rankings on quinn pitcock that you mentioned earlier - what would you say is the most commonly sited cause for the lesser opinions of him - production? size? i've got to guess being a ohio state lineman that he's plenty strong, no?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Pitcock isn't nearly as athletic as his workout numbers would lead you to believe, he racked up a lot of his numbers against lesser competition and has short arms. He has a great motor though. I think the big thing is that people see him being a solid starter but not an impact player by any stretch of the imagination and when you're investing a Top 15 pick in a guy you want more than solid.

faede-moderator: Ibleedgreen&gold

IBleedGreen&Gold: Are there any d lineman in the 3-5 rounds that could be a sleeper

faede-moderator: hawkeyefan, your question please

HawkeyeFan: David Harris LB from Michigan how versatile is he? Can he play a SLB position or is he a product of his teammates? Same with HB Blades

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I don't think there is a lot of versatility there with David Harris and in my opinion he's more of a two-down run thumper in the NFL. As for Blades, he'll either be a middle or weakside linebacker in the pros depending on scheme.

faede-moderator: I bleed's question next: IBleedGreen&Gold] Are there any d lineman in the 3-5 rounds that could be a sleeper

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: The big sleeper to watch out for on the d-line right now is tackle Ryan McBean of Oklahoma St., who has a ton of potential and is moving way up draft boards. At end Ikaika Alama-Francis of Hawaii is a hot name right now (due in part to Mel Kiper).

faede-moderator: Isaiah, your question please

isiah: I like how you've stated the Packers needs by position on your website. With this draft being deeper in some positions more than others, what positions can the Packers afford to what on ldrafting for in later rounds?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think they can afford to wait on wide receiver so if Marshawn Lynch is there in round one I'd jump on him because the running back crop isn't very strong. At both wideout and safety there should still be plenty of value in rounds two and three.

faede-moderator: Limby, your question please

limby: Hey guys, most people believe you don't need to take a RB in the 1st (ala denver)and the safety position doesn't merit a 1st as well. That said, what DL, or WR will be available at 16 or will TT trade down once again? Any tall burners (wr) we should be looking at in the later rounds?


ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I think Ginn and Jarrett would be the two wideouts to watch for at #16. As far as defensive linemen go keep an eye on Quentin Moses, Adam Carriker, Amobi Okoye, and DeMarcus Tyler.

faede-moderator: Mhage, your question please

mhage421: Same kinda question. Who are a few of your late round WR sleepers? I'm hearing lots of depth is there in the late rounds.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: My top late round sleeper at receiver is Brandon Myles of West Viriginia. He has all the physical tools but just wasn't afforded many opportunities in the Mountaineers run-orientated attack.

faede-moderator: NGSeiler, your question please

NGSeiler: Scott, what's your opinion on Fresno State receiver Paul Williams? It seems like he has all the physical tools but hasn't been able to put it together consistently on the field. I've also read some rumors about him not wanting to play receiver at the next level. Any thoughts on that and what round would you start looking at him in what seems like a very strong WR class?

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Williams is an enigma in that he does have all the physical tools (6-2, 210, 4.35) but was not very productive at all. He could be a workout warrior though and I still wouldn't be surprised if he went on the first day. I'd look at him in round three personally.

faede-moderator: Pasture is the last question of the night then, Pasture?

pasture: how good is wright RB, fresno state, and kolby smith RB,lou/ville

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: I really like Wright and if he can stay healthy he could be the next Frank Gore. Durability is a major concern there though. As for Kolby Smith, he has the measurables you look for but doesn't always play up to them and is a bit of an underachiever. I envision both in the round four to five area.


LMG-Moderator: This concludes tonights Draft Chat and we thank Scott for joining us here again this year. Scott's next visit with us will be on Feb. 21. Check our Calendar on PackerChatters.com for our complete Chat schedule. Be sure to stop by the NFL Draft Countdown for great information on the NFL Draft all year long. We will have a complete Chat Transcript up as usual on the PackerChatters Front Page later this evening.

ScottWright-NFLDraftCountDown: Thanks for having me!
wish i woulda knew aboooot this before.

umphrey
01-11-2007, 07:46 PM
is it really necessary to quote that huge post and follow it with a one line reply

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 07:50 PM
is it really necessary to quote that huge post and follow it with a one line reply
naw, was multi-tasking and wasn't thinkin

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-11-2007, 07:50 PM
is it really necessary to quote that huge post and follow it with a one line replydefinitly not. has anybody heard anything about moss to the packers rumor anywhere but that one site? and did he originally hear that on the radio?

GB12
01-11-2007, 07:51 PM
is it really necessary to quote that huge post and follow it with a one line replydefinitly not. has anybody heard anything about moss to the packers rumor anywhere but that one site? and did he originally hear that on the radio?

I doubt there's any truth to it. We're just talking.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-11-2007, 07:57 PM
is it really necessary to quote that huge post and follow it with a one line replydefinitly not. has anybody heard anything about moss to the packers rumor anywhere but that one site? and did he originally hear that on the radio?

I doubt there's any truth to it. We're just talking.well its always fun to dream.

Empire
01-11-2007, 08:29 PM
DE-Kampman
DT-Pickett
DT-Williams
DE-Jenkins/KGB
LB-Hawk
LB-Barnett
LB-Adulius Thomas
CB-Harris
CB-Woodson
S-Collins
S-Hamlin


The Hamlin signing wouldn't really make too much sense. Hamlin is a FS and we already have Collins at FS. We need a strong safety and it looks like the only viable solutions would be to stick it out with Manuel for one more year or draft someone like LaRon Landry.

GB12
01-11-2007, 08:37 PM
DE-Kampman
DT-Pickett
DT-Williams
DE-Jenkins/KGB
LB-Hawk
LB-Barnett
LB-Adulius Thomas
CB-Harris
CB-Woodson
S-Collins
S-Hamlin


The Hamlin signing wouldn't really make too much sense. Hamlin is a FS and we already have Collins at FS. We need a strong safety and it looks like the only viable solutions would be to stick it out with Manuel for one more year or draft someone like LaRon Landry.

I know, I think it will be Manuel another year but I didn't want to put him on there. I realize that probably doesn't make much sense, but oh well.

umphrey
01-11-2007, 08:43 PM
There is always a chance TT drafts someone in rounds 2-5 for SS and starts him as well. I don't know much about depth at SS this year but Meriweather gets a lot of talk, although my hopes aren't that high for him.

Vince Lombardi
01-11-2007, 08:44 PM
Anybody have the video of Moss getting off the bench and saying something to the extent of, "Favre is playing, I can't miss this?"

It's somewhere in the link in my sig. 8)

Vince Lombardi
01-11-2007, 08:46 PM
Good read on Scotts draft chat. :D


I'd be very happy if GB got Marshawn Lynch. :D I'm not sold on Ginn though.

ny10804
01-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Yeah, Lynch seems like the best probable pick we could make.

Apparently Mel Kiper is really high on him, and thinks he could surpass Peterson in the draft. (That's info from the chat).

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Anybody have the video of Moss getting off the bench and saying something to the extent of, "Favre is playing, I can't miss this?"
I can't seem to find it, but i like this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tmc9_zK6g

jackalope
01-11-2007, 09:01 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 09:04 PM
here's somthing else about moss....... take it for what its worth because it is just from another forum member outta GB.
i was listening to the radio here in GB, and Chris Havel, the local sports writer for the Gazette reported the Packers "are in deep negotiations"

ny10804
01-11-2007, 09:24 PM
here's somthing else about moss....... take it for what its worth because it is just from another forum member outta GB.
i was listening to the radio here in GB, and Chris Havel, the local sports writer for the Gazette reported the Packers "are in deep negotiations"

Well (IIRC) they were trying to sign Terrell Owens, so maybe, perhaps, TT would be willing to once again sign (in this case, trade for) a big-time WR with character issues.

Favre back to pass, pumps, throws deep down the sideline....MOSS! To the 30, 20, 10, 5 touchdown Packers!

That would be interesting....

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-11-2007, 09:29 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.why?

jackalope
01-11-2007, 09:32 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.why?he has amazing talent and i understand having him would be a great help, but i absolutely hate the guy. he's a slacker, a disruption, and a jerk. in Minnesota he was easily my most hated player, and i would hate to see him in a packer uniform.

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 09:34 PM
here's somthing else about moss....... take it for what its worth because it is just from another forum member outta GB.
i was listening to the radio here in GB, and Chris Havel, the local sports writer for the Gazette reported the Packers "are in deep negotiations"

Well (IIRC) they were trying to sign Terrell Owens, so maybe, perhaps, TT would be willing to once again sign (in this case, trade for) a big-time WR with character issues.

Favre back to pass, pumps, throws deep down the sideline....MOSS! To the 30, 20, 10, 5 touchdown Packers!

That would be interesting....
meh, it would be bittersweet, i never liked him much because of his bad additude.

GB12
01-11-2007, 09:38 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.why?he has amazing talent and i understand having him would be a great help, but i absolutely hate the guy. he's a slacker, a disruption, and a jerk. in Minnesota he was easily my most hated player, and i would hate to see him in a packer uniform.

The main reason i didn't like him was because he was a Viking. Sure I still think he's a jerk but besides not wanting to be a raider(and who would?) he hasn't really caused problems overthere.

01-11-2007, 09:44 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.why?he has amazing talent and i understand having him would be a great help, but i absolutely hate the guy. he's a slacker, a disruption, and a jerk. in Minnesota he was easily my most hated player, and i would hate to see him in a packer uniform.

The main reason i didn't like him was because he was a Viking. Sure I still think he's a jerk but besides not wanting to be a raider(and who would?) he hasn't really caused problems overthere.Ya, he hasn't been to bad overthere he's now were close to TO.

I really think he would be great with Favre as his QB, Moss is so good at the jump ball and deep patterns and Favre loves to throw those. Just look at the success of Javon Walker with Favre. Walker and Moss have similar playing styles and Moss is better than Walker.

Anyone have any idea of how many years are left on Moss' contract? It would be perfect if he only had a year or two left.

jpapa4490
01-11-2007, 09:48 PM
good Scott interview.

i highly doubt that we'll get Moss, but if we did... i would absolutely hate it.why?he has amazing talent and i understand having him would be a great help, but i absolutely hate the guy. he's a slacker, a disruption, and a jerk. in Minnesota he was easily my most hated player, and i would hate to see him in a packer uniform.

The main reason i didn't like him was because he was a Viking. Sure I still think he's a jerk but besides not wanting to be a raider(and who would?) he hasn't really caused problems overthere.Ya, he hasn't been to bad overthere he's now were close to TO.

I really think he would be great with Favre as his QB, Moss is so good at the jump ball and deep patterns and Favre loves to throw those. Just look at the success of Javon Walker with Favre. Walker and Moss have similar playing styles and Moss is better than Walker.
Anyone have any idea of how many years are left on Moss' contract? It would be perfect if he only had a year or two left.

Are you still sore for Javon leaving or something?? What has Randy done lately that is even relativaly close to what javon has done?

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 09:50 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0110-05.jpg

does no one remeber this? moss can go to hell, i dont want him in Green bay.

GB12
01-11-2007, 09:53 PM
I'm putting winning ahead of that.

I agree with whoever said that only if Favre comes back.

ny10804
01-11-2007, 10:02 PM
If the Packers acquired Randy Moss, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he would come back.

Can you imagine Favre in the shotgun with Moss and Robinson to one side, Driver and Jennings on the other, with Marshawn Lynch next to him? Ver' nice.

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 10:19 PM
If the Packers acquired Randy Moss, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he would come back.

Can you imagine Favre in the shotgun with Moss and Robinson to one side, Driver and Jennings on the other, with Marshawn Lynch next to him? Ver' nice.

That would be very very hard to stop.

sik wit it
01-11-2007, 10:43 PM
We would have the offense like we did in 04 i think. Just think how much we hated Randy Moss because he scorched us OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Also, keep this in mind, he is such a great player we structured our entire draft one year around him. The man still has great skills when he decides to do it. SHOW HIM THE MONEY TT. I know Ill be in the minority for signing him but I think we would benefit no doubt.

umphrey
01-11-2007, 11:13 PM
A great benefit Moss would bring to our team is an improvement in the running game. He did it for MN when they had Mewelde Moore and last year for Oakland when they had Lamont Jordan (I attribute this year's lack of production there to bad coaching and the team completely falling apart).

GB12
01-11-2007, 11:16 PM
A great benefit Moss would bring to our team is an improvement in the running game. He did it for MN when they had Mewelde Moore and last year for Oakland when they had Lamont Jordan (I attribute this year's lack of production there to bad coaching and the team completely falling apart).

With him and Driver that would make the offence amazing. Want to double Moss, Driver's open. Double Driver you get Moss. Double both there goes Greg Jennings. And they wouldn't be able to stack the box at all to stop the run or they would get killed. With two guys that demand that attention the run game would be wide open.

TitleTown088
01-11-2007, 11:58 PM
Raiders owner Al Davis is reportedly committed to keeping Randy Moss and Jerry Porter, fearing that trading them may come back to haunt him.

This runs contrary to a New Years Day report in the St. Petersburg Times saying Moss would only command a third-round pick as compensation. The St. Pete Times' report may have simply been wishful thinking."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx
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TitleTown088
01-12-2007, 12:22 AM
I was just thinking about this.... how many packer/vikings games have ended with a game winning FG in recent years? One did this year, and it seems there were a great deal before that too.

SterlingSharpe
01-12-2007, 08:40 AM
Raiders owner Al Davis is reportedly committed to keeping Randy Moss and Jerry Porter, fearing that trading them may come back to haunt him.

This runs contrary to a New Years Day report in the St. Petersburg Times saying Moss would only command a third-round pick as compensation. The St. Pete Times' report may have simply been wishful thinking."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx
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AL DAVIS also blasted the NFL Network reporter a month ago who broke the story that he was firing ART SHELL.... calling him a liar and making a big deal about it.

Then a week ago he fired Art SHELL.

Al Davis is either or: schitzophrenic, alzheimers, or senile.
He's not fit to make any decisions anymore, but by the looks of his team for the past 4 years, he IS in fact still calling the shots. Doesn't he have any sons?

SterlingSharpe
01-12-2007, 08:44 AM
HOW BIG OF A CONTRACT WILL ADALIUS THOMAS get if he hits the market, and isn't Baltimore going to franchise him?

I think they already got Ed Reed locked up... they have SEVEN FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS on defense.

We have 4 now...... Charles, Pickett (good FA signings), Barnett and AJ Hawk. We're getting closer....

ImBrotherCain
01-12-2007, 09:52 AM
HOW BIG OF A CONTRACT WILL ADALIUS THOMAS get if he hits the market, and isn't Baltimore going to franchise him?

I think they already got Ed Reed locked up... they have SEVEN FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS on defense.

We have 4 now...... Charles, Pickett (good FA signings), Barnett and AJ Hawk. We're getting closer....


Not that its a big deal or anything but its Ryan Pickett

Gravedigger42
01-12-2007, 10:06 AM
I will never cheer for Moss. He is a classless jerk that shouldn't even be allowed to step foot on Lambeau Field. All these people talking about how TT wouldn't draft Merriweather because hes not a "Packer person" and now you're hoping that we trade for Moss. If that happens I'll trade in my Packer gear for Seahawks gear until he's gone.

ImBrotherCain
01-12-2007, 10:18 AM
I will never cheer for Moss. He is a classless jerk that shouldn't even be allowed to step foot on Lambeau Field. All these people talking about how TT wouldn't draft Merriweather because hes not a "Packer person" and now you're hoping that we trade for Moss. If that happens I'll trade in my Packer gear for Seahawks gear until he's gone.


I agree.. i hate him so much he has no class, and personaly, if it comes down to it i think Favre would retire if he had to play with Moss because i dont think thats Favres type. Look at what Terry Glenn he was supposed to make our team great? and he floped for us, I think Favre needs to have a trust and a friendship with the recivers, not someone forced upon him, I mean Driver emerged in Terry's absense.... And just personaly i think Favre would not want to make the connection with Moss.

70challenger457
01-12-2007, 10:34 AM
I will never cheer for Moss. He is a classless jerk that shouldn't even be allowed to step foot on Lambeau Field. All these people talking about how TT wouldn't draft Merriweather because hes not a "Packer person" and now you're hoping that we trade for Moss. If that happens I'll trade in my Packer gear for Seahawks gear until he's gone.If we trade for Moss, I will cut myself, become emo, feel sorry for myself, cry myself to sleep and become a Lions fan, in which I would become more depressed, cut myself even more....

TitleTown088
01-12-2007, 11:39 AM
I will never cheer for Moss. He is a classless jerk that shouldn't even be allowed to step foot on Lambeau Field. All these people talking about how TT wouldn't draft Merriweather because hes not a "Packer person" and now you're hoping that we trade for Moss. If that happens I'll trade in my Packer gear for Seahawks gear until he's gone.


I agree.. i hate him so much he has no class, and personaly, if it comes down to it i think Favre would retire if he had to play with Moss because i dont think thats Favres type. Look at what Terry Glenn he was supposed to make our team great? and he floped for us, I think Favre needs to have a trust and a friendship with the recivers, not someone forced upon him, I mean Driver emerged in Terry's absense.... And just personaly i think Favre would not want to make the connection with Moss.

Number 4 dosen't care, he said he would like to play with Owens. he just wants to throw TD's.

johbur
01-12-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm not a fan of randy Moss. What I do like about him is he catches his TD passes. I'd rather have Jennings/Driver with Sydney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett coming in. Moss has the potential to be a cancer on the team if things go south. That being said, DD would be the best WR he's played opposite of since Carter, and Favre would be the best QB he's played for, so his production could go way up. I don't get too emotionally attached to who comes in and who leaves. Javon Walker left, and maybe we would have made the playoffs with him, but maybe he would have just gotten hurt again. I wasn't really in favor of Koren Robinson coming in, but he was a positive teammate and I do now hope he'll come back in shape and healthy next year. Not too many GB fans wanted Charles Woodson, and he had a great year and was just fine on the team, even though he wasn't at minicamps.

Jim Bates to take over Denver defense. They'll be in the playoffs next year is my prediction.

What do ya'all think about maybe taking Amobi Akoye(sp?), the DT from Louisville, with the #16 pick? He's been a four year starter and he's only 20 years old. Pair him Rock Gullickson and he could wind up special in the middle of the line.

sik wit it
01-12-2007, 01:08 PM
I'm not a fan of randy Moss. What I do like about him is he catches his TD passes. I'd rather have Jennings/Driver with Sydney Rice or Dwayne Jarrett coming in. Moss has the potential to be a cancer on the team if things go south. That being said, DD would be the best WR he's played opposite of since Carter, and Favre would be the best QB he's played for, so his production could go way up. I don't get too emotionally attached to who comes in and who leaves. Javon Walker left, and maybe we would have made the playoffs with him, but maybe he would have just gotten hurt again. I wasn't really in favor of Koren Robinson coming in, but he was a positive teammate and I do now hope he'll come back in shape and healthy next year. Not too many GB fans wanted Charles Woodson, and he had a great year and was just fine on the team, even though he wasn't at minicamps.

Jim Bates to take over Denver defense. They'll be in the playoffs next year is my prediction.

What do ya'all think about maybe taking Amobi Akoye(sp?), the DT from Louisville, with the #16 pick? He's been a four year starter and he's only 20 years old. Pair him Rock Gullickson and he could wind up special in the middle of the line.
i asked that question a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't mind it whatsoever. His potential is sky high because he is so good and so young. Think about how good our d-line was in the superbowl years. We could have that again.

umphrey
01-12-2007, 01:24 PM
I would love taking Akoye - I think he will be the most or 2nd most talented player to be available at our pick. However, our draft board should look like this

BPA who slid from a lock to be top 10
Lynch
Landry
Akoye
Ginn
Rice

SterlingSharpe
01-12-2007, 01:43 PM
HOW BIG OF A CONTRACT WILL ADALIUS THOMAS get if he hits the market, and isn't Baltimore going to franchise him?

I think they already got Ed Reed locked up... they have SEVEN FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS on defense.

We have 4 now...... Charles, Pickett (good FA signings), Barnett and AJ Hawk. We're getting closer....


Not that its a big deal or anything but its Ryan Pickett

Thanks brother, but it was Charles as in Charles Woodson, Picket as in Ryan Pickett, Barnett as in Nick, and AJ Hawk. THose are the 4 first-rounders we have on defense.

sik wit it
01-12-2007, 01:49 PM
I would love taking Akoye - I think he will be the most or 2nd most talented player to be available at our pick. However, our draft board should look like this

BPA who slid from a lock to be top 10
Lynch
Landry
Akoye
Ginn
Rice
after watching landry in the bowl game i'm not that big of a fan of his anymore. He didn't impress me at all

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-12-2007, 02:28 PM
all this talk about packer people is ********. come on. come monday or tuesday wouldnt you want to brag about winning on sunday/monday? obviously not you guys would rather brag about the character on your team. football is played to win not to see who has the most goodie goodies on their team..

umphrey
01-12-2007, 02:45 PM
I would love taking Akoye - I think he will be the most or 2nd most talented player to be available at our pick. However, our draft board should look like this

BPA who slid from a lock to be top 10
Lynch
Landry
Akoye
Ginn
Rice
after watching landry in the bowl game i'm not that big of a fan of his anymore. He didn't impress me at all

Did you see Nelson as well? I was originally hoping to get one of these 2 but they both had crap bowl games and now I don't like either so much :?

Gravedigger42
01-12-2007, 03:22 PM
all this talk about packer people is ***********. come on. come monday or tuesday wouldnt you want to brag about winning on sunday/monday? obviously not you guys would rather brag about the character on your team. football is played to win not to see who has the most goodie goodies on their team..

The problem is that I don't think people like Moss or TO + more wins. They equal distractions that divide the locker room and destroy teams. NE is winning just fine without shelfish big mouth WR's.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-12-2007, 03:29 PM
all this talk about packer people is ***********. come on. come monday or tuesday wouldnt you want to brag about winning on sunday/monday? obviously not you guys would rather brag about the character on your team. football is played to win not to see who has the most goodie goodies on their team..

The problem is that I don't think people like Moss or TO + more wins. They equal distractions that divide the locker room and destroy teams. NE is winning just fine without shelfish big mouth WR's.true but they have other things that work great. a proven oline and a proven defense. not to mention a proven coach. as much as i hate to say it their qb is superior then ours, there was a time when this was flopped but times have changed.

Whistler6
01-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Question...

So Marshawn Lynch and Aaron Rogers both played for Cal right? So did they play together at all? Or was Rogers out before Lynch got there? Just wondering I guess

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-12-2007, 03:38 PM
Question...

So Marshawn Lynch and Aaron Rogers both played for Cal right? So did they play together at all? Or was Rogers out before Lynch got there? Just wondering I guessi believe they spent one or two years together at cal. im guessing one but im not sure completley

ImBrotherCain
01-12-2007, 03:49 PM
HOW BIG OF A CONTRACT WILL ADALIUS THOMAS get if he hits the market, and isn't Baltimore going to franchise him?

I think they already got Ed Reed locked up... they have SEVEN FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS on defense.

We have 4 now...... Charles, Pickett (good FA signings), Barnett and AJ Hawk. We're getting closer....


Not that its a big deal or anything but its Ryan Pickett

Thanks brother, but it was Charles as in Charles Woodson, Picket as in Ryan Pickett, Barnett as in Nick, and AJ Hawk. THose are the 4 first-rounders we have on defense.

My god im so stupid.... i see it now :lol:

SterlingSharpe
01-12-2007, 03:59 PM
Question...

So Marshawn Lynch and Aaron Rogers both played for Cal right? So did they play together at all? Or was Rogers out before Lynch got there? Just wondering I guess

One year together but Marshawn Lynch didn't play, or much, because that team's RB stud was JJ Arrington. He actually did as much as Rodgers did.

That's another thing that scares me. JJ was better stats wise than Marshawn Lynch, but JJ has still been a semi-bust in the NFL. Sometimes the hype fools people......

sik wit it
01-12-2007, 04:20 PM
Question...

So Marshawn Lynch and Aaron Rogers both played for Cal right? So did they play together at all? Or was Rogers out before Lynch got there? Just wondering I guess

One year together but Marshawn Lynch didn't play, or much, because that team's RB stud was JJ Arrington. He actually did as much as Rodgers did.

That's another thing that scares me. JJ was better stats wise than Marshawn Lynch, but JJ has still been a semi-bust in the NFL. Sometimes the hype fools people......
that doesn't mean a thing. how does their game translate to the pros. work ethic. That doesn't scare me one bit but maybe something to keep in mind.

jackalope
01-12-2007, 05:12 PM
well guys, you can consider Favre done... he canceled his membership to a Green Bay golf course :cry:

GB12
01-12-2007, 05:47 PM
What do ya'all think about maybe taking Amobi Okoye(sp?), the DT from Louisville, with the #16 pick? He's been a four year starter and he's only 20 years old. Pair him Rock Gullickson and he could wind up special in the middle of the line.

I've been interested in him for a long time.

sik wit it
01-12-2007, 05:47 PM
well guys, you can consider Favre done... he canceled his membership to a Green Bay golf course :cry:
thats just to fool everybody

TitleTown088
01-12-2007, 06:05 PM
well guys, you can consider Favre done... he canceled his membership to a Green Bay golf course :cry:
thats just to fool everybody

yeah i saw that like a week ago, i guess it was just because he stopped golfing from what i hear... and it is january??


http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=1/12/2007&id=17174

TitleTown088
01-12-2007, 06:21 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.html

jackalope
01-12-2007, 06:31 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.htmlgod, i hope this isn't true. i hate Moss so much.

TitleTown088
01-12-2007, 07:03 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.htmlgod, i hope this isn't true. i hate Moss so much.

I concur. I don't really want him, But for a 3rd rounder or so and robert Ferguson is not too much damage. :|

jackalope
01-12-2007, 07:21 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.htmlgod, i hope this isn't true. i hate Moss so much.

I concur. I don't really want him, But for a 3rd rounder or so and robert Ferguson is not too much damage. :|i don't even care if we can get him for a 7th. i don't want him on our team at all.

ImBrotherCain
01-12-2007, 08:27 PM
Its a fact no Tony G for us.... he signed a 5 year extention with the Chiefs, now where do we go from here.... how about Chandler from Iowa... i think he looks good

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-12-2007, 08:28 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.htmlgod, i hope this isn't true. i hate Moss so much.

I concur. I don't really want him, But for a 3rd rounder or so and robert Ferguson is not too much damage. :|i don't even care if we can get him for a 7th. i don't want him on our team at all.
i for one, want him. i would definitly give up fergie and a 3rd.

someone447
01-12-2007, 08:41 PM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-12-2007, 09:01 PM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.well yeah thats the only way id want him, i could see us going deep into the playoffs with moss and favre

Hawk
01-13-2007, 01:47 AM
why would you not want moss? he can be a distrubance when paired with the worng people but their arent many criminals on the Packers. I would deal ferg and a 3 anyday for him

sik wit it
01-13-2007, 01:52 AM
moss=more wins.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 01:57 AM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.
control him for what, maybe one more year? If even one more.
Moss would destroy the packers, i don't want that **** head.

Nitschke-Hawk
01-13-2007, 10:26 AM
For all you skeptics

"Favre looks deep, pumps once, throws, Randy Moss goes and gets it, 35, 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5, TOUCHDOWN."

Then you're happy, and you forget about not liking him.

sik wit it
01-13-2007, 12:36 PM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.
control him for what, maybe one more year? If even one more.
Moss would destroy the packers, i don't want that *********** head.
prove it. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery, a place where football players are treated like kings.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 01:07 PM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.
control him for what, maybe one more year? If even one more.
Moss would destroy the packers, i don't want that *********** head.
prove it. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery, a place where football players are treated like kings.

— Moss admittedly takes plays off.

— Moss admits to occasionally using marijuana.

— Moss was arrested for pushing a traffic officer a half-block with his car in 2002.

— Moss mooned you during the Jan. 9, 2005, playoff game at Lambeau Field. Are you really read to forgive that?

— Moss quit on his Raiders teammates this season.

— Moss dropped a bunch of passes this season.

— In his last three seasons, he’s averaged just 50 catches per season

He’s coming off the worst season of his career: 42 catches for 553 yards and three touchdowns. Sure, a lot of that had to deal with his supporting cast, but more of it had to do with his lack of effort.

Moss turns 30 next month. He’s owed $21 million over the next two seasons
From scout.com
Not saying all of this is relative, but still these are his downsides.

Gravedigger42
01-13-2007, 02:03 PM
— Moss quit on his Raiders teammates this season

That is the #1 reason why nobody should want him on thier team. The Raiders sucked big time this year and he didn't agree with the coach, but he at least , for his teammates, should've finished out the season. He just doesn't care about the game or his mates unless he's catching a TD. He would rather catch a TD and lose a game than win without a TD catch.

I will never cheer for that kinda jerk.

sik wit it
01-13-2007, 02:41 PM
id want him, providing Favre comes back. It is well documented his respect for Favre. If anyone can control him, it would be brett favre.
control him for what, maybe one more year? If even one more.
Moss would destroy the packers, i don't want that *********** head.
prove it. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery, a place where football players are treated like kings.

— Moss admittedly takes plays off.

— Moss admits to occasionally using marijuana.

— Moss was arrested for pushing a traffic officer a half-block with his car in 2002.

— Moss mooned you during the Jan. 9, 2005, playoff game at Lambeau Field. Are you really read to forgive that?

— Moss quit on his Raiders teammates this season.

— Moss dropped a bunch of passes this season.

— In his last three seasons, he’s averaged just 50 catches per season

He’s coming off the worst season of his career: 42 catches for 553 yards and three touchdowns. Sure, a lot of that had to deal with his supporting cast, but more of it had to do with his lack of effort.

Moss turns 30 next month. He’s owed $21 million over the next two seasons
From scout.com
Not saying all of this is relative, but still these are his downsides.

-takes plays off, thats a problem but the plays he's in=big reward

-I'm not condoning illegal activities but whats wrong with smoking weed? Maybe he doesn't do it to be "cool"

-Moss' problem with the law, we've all had our moments with the pigs.

-Moss mooned the packers, thats because WE MOON THE OPPOSING TEAMS BUS. It was a joke for him and his teammates. I think its pretty funny

-Quit on his teammates, but didn't Charles Woodson do that as well. He would get "injured" and not play hurt. He's turned out ok if i recall correctly.

-Dropped a bunch of passes this season, you know he's got hands and i'm sure that was part of him not trying

-Moss is still an elite receiver in the league and would provide a red zone threat and deep threat all in one. He would improve the team and i believe he is worth the risk

umphrey
01-13-2007, 03:15 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 03:55 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 03:56 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 03:56 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

sweetness34
01-13-2007, 04:00 PM
Wow TT was so pissed off he needed to post his point 3 times. :lol: :wink:

I agree with you TT, a player should never quit on his/her team. You're paid to by an employer. It'd be just like me sitting around doing nothing while other people work at my job.

umphrey
01-13-2007, 04:18 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

If you're an NFL coach you shouldn't be running an offense from the 60s either

SterlingSharpe
01-13-2007, 04:46 PM
"The Raiders and Packers are talking about a deal for Moss, and Moss and Packers GM Ted Thompson have spoke to gauge Moss' interest in coming to the Packers. The Packers feel Moss can be the player he was with the Vikings (pre 2004) and get new energy if playing for the Packers and possibly with Brett Favre. The Packers feel they have the inside track on Moss since they have a lot of cap room and play the Vikings twice a year, something Moss really likes. A player may have to be thrown in make the deal work and a name being thrown out there is WR Robert Ferguson. "



also... http://packers.scout.com/2/609156.htmlgod, i hope this isn't true. i hate Moss so much.


Moss' salary is way too high!
$21 million over the next 2 seasons. No way. But I like the idea of trading Robert Ferguson to ANYONE!

sik wit it
01-13-2007, 05:02 PM
Wow TT was so pissed off he needed to post his point 3 times. :lol: :wink:

I agree with you TT, a player should never quit on his/her team. You're paid to by an employer. It'd be just like me sitting around doing nothing while other people work at my job.
I dont want to question your work ethic but i'm sure if there are computers at work you may sneak a peak on sports website or use time when you should be working for "taking a break"

Jim Jim
01-13-2007, 05:15 PM
I could see Moss coming to Green Bay tempting Brett Favre to play.

ImBrotherCain
01-13-2007, 08:43 PM
Its a fact no Tony G for us.... he signed a 5 year extention with the Chiefs, now where do we go from here.... how about Chandler from Iowa... i think he looks good

jpapa4490
01-13-2007, 08:48 PM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

If you're an NFL coach you shouldn't be running an offense from the 60s either

This has absolutly nothing to do with the coach. Moss QUIT on his team, now why in the hell would you like a player on your team who does **** like that. Its amazing on how many people hate merriweather for the crap he's done but will kiss moss's ass for doing much dumber things then merriweather.

jpapa4490
01-13-2007, 08:49 PM
Didn't mean to type so big on that last post, my bad

SterlingSharpe
01-13-2007, 09:02 PM
Moss is done. He's not the same Moss that ripped us apart in 1998. He's smoked too much pot since then.

Speaking of losers and pot smokers..... did you just see Brian Westbrook break the 60-yard TD run on the Saints there?

Did you notice #34 there Mike McKenzie with his dreadlocks flopping out, WHIFFING on the tackle... he was the only one who had a chance to stop that from being a big play. Unblocked.

ny10804
01-13-2007, 09:11 PM
IIRC, the trade ended up as:

Packers get:
Nick Collins

Saints get:
Mike McKenzie

The original trade (for the 2nd rounder) was scrutinized at the time, but we are definitely the winners in the long run. Nice work by Sherm.

jackalope
01-13-2007, 09:16 PM
Reason's i don't want Moss...

- too much money

- i hate his attitude

- takes plays off

- not the same player he used to be

GB12
01-13-2007, 09:17 PM
IIRC, the trade ended up as:

Packers get:
Nick Collins

Saints get:
Mike McKenzie

The original trade (for the 2nd rounder) was scrutinized at the time, but we are definitely the winners in the long run. Nice work by Sherm.

We also got JT O'Sullivan. But yeah good trade for the situation we were in.

jackalope
01-13-2007, 09:19 PM
IIRC, the trade ended up as:

Packers get:
Nick Collins

Saints get:
Mike McKenzie

The original trade (for the 2nd rounder) was scrutinized at the time, but we are definitely the winners in the long run. Nice work by Sherm.but if Sherman had been the GM during the draft we definitely wouldn't have gotten Nick Collins (or anyone good for that matter). either way it's worked out.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 11:04 PM
Take this for what it's worth...... i saw it somewhere else and i just thought i would share.
As far as the Moss rumor here what I have and I would gladly share it with you fellow Packers fans....


The Packers and Raiders have had discussions on a deal that would send Randy Moss to the Packers and the Raiders receiving either (a.) a 2nd round pick or (b.) a 3rd and a player.

The Packers (thru various channels) have been told (thru the same various channels) that Moss would LOVE to come to Green Bay and like to play with Brett Favre and the Packers.

The Raiders are also talking to other teams and seeing what would be the best option for the Raiders.

Ted Thompson (at first) was going to take a wait and see approach. He wanted to see if the Raiders were/are going to release him (which is STILL an option I have been told).

I heard an interview with Moss today. When he was asked about the Raiders 1st round pick, he danced around the question and said something like "if i'm still in Oakland" which only adds to the speculation he will not be a Raider. He also said he wants to win a ring and, as we all know, Oakland is a long ways away from that.

Thompson wants to add some vets to this young team, and Moss, (at 30 years old this up-coming season) at a reasonable price, would be (or shall I say IS) a player that Thompson feels can come in and make a difference right away.

There are other teams that is interested in him and this deal (as of right now) is far from a done deal. As far as tampering, the Packers never made contact with Moss directly, that is why I said VARIOUS CHANNELS were used. Also, the Raiders were just getting feelers for him, and the Packers were the 1st team they talked to, but from what I was told, they were going to call the Raiders this offseason anyway about Moss.

bearsfan_51
01-13-2007, 11:07 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.

GB12
01-13-2007, 11:11 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.
Who said second?

I think it would come after Favre decides. Bringing in Moss with Rodgers in his first year would be a bad idea. I think Moss only has a year or 2 left on his contract so we could have him one with Brett and then see how it goes with Rodgers. If he gets pissed then we just don't resign him.

ImBrotherCain
01-13-2007, 11:12 PM
-Don't give Devin Hester a Christmas present, he'll just return it.

God thats great

bearsfan_51
01-13-2007, 11:17 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.
Who said second?
The Packers and Raiders have had discussions on a deal that would send Randy Moss to the Packers and the Raiders receiving either (a.) a 2nd round pick or (b.) a 3rd and a player.

TitleTown088
01-13-2007, 11:24 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.


where do you get this idea that rogers has such a weak arm?
From sportingnews.com

Rodgers has a lot to prove this year, regardless whether Brett Favre comes back. Rodgers has a good arm and gets rid of the ball quickly

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-14-2007, 01:05 AM
I woulda quit on the raiders last year too

F that, If your a pro player you shoudl never quit. Moss has a terrible additude.

If you're an NFL coach you shouldn't be running an offense from the 60s either

This has absolutly nothing to do with the coach. Moss QUIT on his team, now why in the hell would you like a player on your team who does *********** like that. Its amazing on how many people hate merriweather for the crap he's done but will kiss moss's ass for doing much dumber things then merriweather.i dont think so. if you look back the same players who want moss dont care weather or not merriwhether gets drafted or not

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 02:02 AM
Moss is done. He's not the same Moss that ripped us apart in 1998. He's smoked too much pot since then.

Speaking of losers and pot smokers..... did you just see Brian Westbrook break the 60-yard TD run on the Saints there?

Did you notice #34 there Mike McKenzie with his dreadlocks flopping out, WHIFFING on the tackle... he was the only one who had a chance to stop that from being a big play. Unblocked.

not sure that losers and pot smokers coincide in all instances. Mike got the last laugh though.

70challenger457
01-14-2007, 09:58 AM
I have said it once and I'll say it again, if the packers get moss I will never be talking on this tread ever again because I will no longer be a packer fan

bearsfan_51
01-14-2007, 11:00 AM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.


where do you get this idea that rogers has such a weak arm?
From sportingnews.com

Rodgers has a lot to prove this year, regardless whether Brett Favre comes back. Rodgers has a good arm and gets rid of the ball quickly
I didn't say he had "such a weak arm" but it's not that strong either, especially in comparison to Lord Favre. It's probably about average, on the same level as Joey Harrington. Moss is pretty limited in what he can do anymore, and he needs a QB that can utilize his ability to stretch the field.

By the way, there's a difference between a good arm and a strong arm. Rogers can make a lot of throws, but he's not the best at airing it out, he's more of a system QB.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-14-2007, 12:44 PM
I have said it once and I'll say it again, if the packers get moss I will never be talking on this tread ever again because I will no longer be a packer fanwow.

TitleTown088
01-14-2007, 01:03 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.


where do you get this idea that rogers has such a weak arm?
From sportingnews.com

Rodgers has a lot to prove this year, regardless whether Brett Favre comes back. Rodgers has a good arm and gets rid of the ball quickly
I didn't say he had "such a weak arm" but it's not that strong either, especially in comparison to Lord Favre. It's probably about average, on the same level as Joey Harrington. Moss is pretty limited in what he can do anymore, and he needs a QB that can utilize his ability to stretch the field.

By the way, there's a difference between a good arm and a strong arm. Rogers can make a lot of throws, but he's not the best at airing it out, he's more of a system QB.
I cannot believe you just called number for Lord Favre, i think my theory about you being a closet packer fan is beginning to pan out.

BTW did anyone else see that Mr. moss supposidly wrote a letter to TT asking him to bring him into GB??

70challenger457
01-14-2007, 01:48 PM
I have said it once and I'll say it again, if the packers get moss I will never be talking on this tread ever again because I will no longer be a packer fanwow.there is no person I hate more than randy moss. I would kiss Osama before I would ever even shake Randy Moss's hand

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 02:01 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.


where do you get this idea that rogers has such a weak arm?
From sportingnews.com

Rodgers has a lot to prove this year, regardless whether Brett Favre comes back. Rodgers has a good arm and gets rid of the ball quickly
I didn't say he had "such a weak arm" but it's not that strong either, especially in comparison to Lord Favre. It's probably about average, on the same level as Joey Harrington. Moss is pretty limited in what he can do anymore, and he needs a QB that can utilize his ability to stretch the field.

By the way, there's a difference between a good arm and a strong arm. Rogers can make a lot of throws, but he's not the best at airing it out, he's more of a system QB.
I cannot believe you just called number for Lord Favre, i think my theory about you being a closet packer fan is beginning to pan out.

BTW did anyone else see that Mr. moss supposidly wrote a letter to TT asking him to bring him into GB??

i never saw anything about that, but thats ****** awesome. His heart wants to be here therefore he'd try.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-14-2007, 03:53 PM
2nd rounder is a bit high for Moss IMO. You're basically trading Javon Walker for Randy Moss a year later. It would certainly make the Packers a hell of a lot more interesting though.

The biggest question not yet asked though, is what the Packers do if they trade for Moss and then Favre doesn't come back? Rogers doesn't appear to have the arm strength to utilize him properly. Even if Favre comes back this year, it's still on a year by year basis and eventually you're going to have to turn to a QB with much less arm strength.


where do you get this idea that rogers has such a weak arm?
From sportingnews.com

Rodgers has a lot to prove this year, regardless whether Brett Favre comes back. Rodgers has a good arm and gets rid of the ball quickly
I didn't say he had "such a weak arm" but it's not that strong either, especially in comparison to Lord Favre. It's probably about average, on the same level as Joey Harrington. Moss is pretty limited in what he can do anymore, and he needs a QB that can utilize his ability to stretch the field.

By the way, there's a difference between a good arm and a strong arm. Rogers can make a lot of throws, but he's not the best at airing it out, he's more of a system QB.
I cannot believe you just called number for Lord Favre, i think my theory about you being a closet packer fan is beginning to pan out.

BTW did anyone else see that Mr. moss supposidly wrote a letter to TT asking him to bring him into GB??
where did you see that at?

RockJock07
01-14-2007, 05:14 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 05:23 PM
Reporter: “If you don’t write checks, how do you pay these guys?”

Moss: “Straight cash, homey.”

GB12
01-14-2007, 05:26 PM
Reporter: “If you don’t write checks, how do you pay these guys?”

Moss: “Straight cash, homey.”

$10,000 is nothing maybe next time I'll shake my ****.

sweetness34
01-14-2007, 05:33 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the **** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.

RockJock07
01-14-2007, 05:38 PM
wow, i'm pretty sure that I'm in a GB forum. I'd worry about how your AMAZING Bears D is gonna stop the Saints rather then me talking about the packers in the packers forum, your high, you Bears fans are all the same, just dumb.

sweetness34
01-14-2007, 05:40 PM
wow, i'm pretty sure that I'm in a GB forum. I'd worry about how your AMAZING Bears D is gonna stop the Saints rather then me talking about the packers in the packers forum, your high, you Bears fans are all the same, just dumb.

Really, this is the Packers forum? Holy ****, wow, didn't know that.

Like I said, stay out of OUR forum unless you've got something constructive to say. And with the history of what's happened b/w our two boards, we really don't need any of that crap right now.

Talk crap about the Bears all you want, but keep it in this forum.

RockJock07
01-14-2007, 05:49 PM
YOUR FORUM, unreal, and I'll write what I want anywhere I want to.

jackalope
01-14-2007, 06:43 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

sweetness34
01-14-2007, 06:54 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Boston
01-14-2007, 06:58 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

That really wasn't too bad. bf51 does that all the time. :?

sweetness34
01-14-2007, 07:00 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

That really wasn't too bad. bf51 does that all the time. :?

He did it in Week 1, but when did he do it again? And my point is that we just had this conversation with GB12 and TT last week about it and both sides agreed that it was best if both sides kept their mouths shut.

jackalope
01-14-2007, 07:05 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

That really wasn't too bad. bf51 does that all the time. :?

He did it in Week 1, but when did he do it again? And my point is that we just had this conversation with GB12 and TT last week about it and both sides agreed that it was best if both sides kept their mouths shut.you over reacted. it wasn't that bad. and why are you bringing this in the Packer's thread?

someone447
01-14-2007, 08:19 PM
Well, I always seem to see bears fans posting about Favre being washed up, the packers being terrible, yada yada yada.

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 09:00 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

That really wasn't too bad. bf51 does that all the time. :?

He did it in Week 1, but when did he do it again? And my point is that we just had this conversation with GB12 and TT last week about it and both sides agreed that it was best if both sides kept their mouths shut.
bf51 did it beyond week 1, but he's gotten a lot better. This ish is gunna happen with our two teams, specially with the bears on top. Pack fans, at least my age, aren't used to it AT ALL.

jpapa4490
01-14-2007, 09:14 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

You talk **** in packers forum all the time so why are you so surprised when someone goes into your forum. :roll:

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 09:16 PM
Randy Moss is alot of things, but when he's at his best, he gives his team the best chance to win. If he can help, bring him in.

Every team has their bad apples, that's pro sports, and sports in general, if you don't wanna believe that, watch the little world series.

I agree, i would quit on the Raiders too, they have NOTHING going for them. When your team can't find a legit coach or a QB, it's hard to get up for games. When your Owner is putz who no one wants to coach for or play for, it's hard to go to work everyday.

Moss has done some dumb stuff, but he would give the Packers something they have haven't had in a while, and frankly, for fergie and a 3rd rounder, that's a steal, TT would be crazy not to take that.

Stay in your own damn team discussion. If all you want to do is come in and try and bash our team, then get the *********** out b/c I'm not having any of it. We already had this talk last week. So plese, unless you've got something constructive to say, stay out of our forum. If you want to talk about the game fine, but what you said was just uncalled for.

Thank you.what are you talking about?

Go to the Bears forum and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

You talk *********** in packers forum all the time so why are you so surprised when someone goes into your forum. :roll:
Don't worry, the saints will beat some sense into them.

Whistler6
01-14-2007, 09:55 PM
So I havent been on here much...I like to come on here a lot and check out whats going on. Then I realized why I dont come on the packers thread as much. Bc its a lot of bs arguing. I still dont undrstand why Bears, Lions fans etc..need to come into our thread anyway if they just wanna argue. That would be why there are different forums foorrrrr yep every single team

Whistler6
01-14-2007, 10:03 PM
Like everyone else, I really want Marshawn Lynch. Honestly though I dont think he will make it to us at 16. What about the Falcons, Texans, Vikings, I dont know, trade ups, etc

What does everyone else think? Do you think he will make it? Do you think we should draft him? Or do you think we should look at safety, Wr, Te, etc..?

umphrey
01-14-2007, 10:10 PM
Like everyone else, I really want Marshawn Lynch. Honestly though I dont think he will make it to us at 16. What about the Falcons, Texans, Vikings, I dont know, trade ups, etc

What does everyone else think? Do you think he will make it? Do you think we should draft him? Or do you think we should look at safety, Wr, Te, etc..?

I think there is a good chance he makes it. There are 3 teams that could possibly draft a RB before us and 2 RBs to take, so there is still a good chance.

I believe the order is Cleveland at 3, Houston at 8 and Atlanta at 11. Cleveland has a lot of holes so a RB doesn't make sense for the team, they have Droughns who is good enough, can get a much more elite player than Peterson, and Peterson has durability issues that make him a risky pick this high. Houston passed on Bush last year, does that say something about their (lack of) desire to pick RBs high? Will they think people will view their choice of a RB here as admitting that they are wrong? Atlanta already has a good looking rookie RB and a veteran in Dunn, so picking another RB with a high pick would make for a very crowded backfield.

Past Lynch I'd want Landry or Akoye, past that any one of the good recievers (Ginn or Rice probably)

Here is my Packer draft strategy:

Round 1: BPA (Lynch>Landy>Akoye>WR)
Round 2: DE or WR, TE (this draft is very deep at these positions and we can get round 1 value here, plus we need both. If those don't look good we can probably get a top 2 TE which would be nice)
Round 3: CB (here we can get a nickel CB that will provide depth for if Harris or Woodson gets hurt and develop him until they retire)
Round 4: S (take a shot at getting a good S that can compete with Manuel or at least provide depth)
Round 5/6/7: DE/WR/TE/CB/RB (add depth if we haven't picked a guy for these positions earlier)

Also, there was good discussion for awhile until 2 people that aren't even packer fans felt like bringing some BS argument into our thread.

sik wit it
01-14-2007, 10:18 PM
Like everyone else, I really want Marshawn Lynch. Honestly though I dont think he will make it to us at 16. What about the Falcons, Texans, Vikings, I dont know, trade ups, etc

What does everyone else think? Do you think he will make it? Do you think we should draft him? Or do you think we should look at safety, Wr, Te, etc..?

I think there is a good chance he makes it. There are 3 teams that could possibly draft a RB before us and 2 RBs to take, so there is still a good chance.

Past Lynch I'd want Landry or Akoye, past that any one of the good recievers (Ginn or Rice probably)

Here is my Packer draft strategy:

Round 1: BPA (Lynch>Landy>Akoye>WR)
Round 2: DE or WR, TE (this draft is very deep at these positions and we can get round 1 value here, plus we need both. If those don't look good we can probably get a top 2 TE which would be nice)
Round 3: CB (here we can get a nickel CB that will provide depth for if Harris or Woodson gets hurt and develop him until they retire)
Round 4: S (take a shot at getting a good S that can compete with Manuel or at least provide depth)
Round 5/6/7: DE/WR/TE/CB/RB (add depth if we haven't picked a guy for these positions earlier)

Also, there was good discussion for awhile until 2 people that aren't even packer fans felt like bringing some BS argument into our thread.

Lynch (BPA)
Akoye (love the upside could have a beast of the line maybe someday it will be like the bears)
Ginn (this is if we dont land Randy, return man, deep threat)
Landry or Nelson(not a big fan of them but safety is a need)

ny10804
01-14-2007, 10:25 PM
The consensus is Lynch will be there at 16 (I found this hard to believe, also).

I posted this a couple of days ago:


1 Oakland Raiders -- Lamont Jordon/bigger needs than RB
2 Detriot Lions -- Kevin Jones and Brian Calhoun
3 Cleveland Browns* -- Reuben Droughns
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Cadillac Williams
5 Arizona Cardinals -- Edgerrin James
6 Washington Redskins -- Portis/Betts
7 Minnesota Vikings -- Chester Taylor
8 Houston Texans* -- Dom Davis (Dom Williams...)
9 Miami Dolphins -- Ronnie Brown
10 Atlanta Falcons -- Dunn / Norwood
11 San Francisco -- Frank Gore
12 Buffalo Bills -- Willis McGahee
13 St. Louis Rams -- Steven Jackson
14 Carolina Panthers -- Foster/Deangelo Williams
15 Pittsburgh Steelers -- Willie Parker
16 Green Bay Packers

The * is for teams who may take a RB. Lynch would almost definitely be there for us if the Browns draft someone other than AD.

GB12
01-14-2007, 10:29 PM
The consensus is Lynch will be there at 16 (I found this hard to believe, also).

I posted this a couple of days ago:


1 Oakland Raiders -- Lamont Jordon/bigger needs than RB
2 Detriot Lions -- Kevin Jones and Brian Calhoun
3 Cleveland Browns* -- Reuben Droughns
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Cadillac Williams
5 Arizona Cardinals -- Edgerrin James
6 Washington Redskins -- Portis/Betts
7 Minnesota Vikings -- Chester Taylor
8 Houston Texans* -- Dom Davis (Dom Williams...)
9 Miami Dolphins -- Ronnie Brown
10 Atlanta Falcons -- Dunn / Norwood
11 San Francisco -- Frank Gore
12 Buffalo Bills -- Willis McGahee
13 St. Louis Rams -- Steven Jackson
14 Carolina Panthers -- Foster/Deangelo Williams
15 Pittsburgh Steelers -- Willie Parker
16 Green Bay Packers

The * is for teams who may take a RB. Lynch would almost definitely be there for us if the Browns draft someone other than AD.

Even if they do I don't think Houston would take Lynch.

ImBrotherCain
01-14-2007, 11:28 PM
The consensus is Lynch will be there at 16 (I found this hard to believe, also).

I posted this a couple of days ago:


1 Oakland Raiders -- Lamont Jordon/bigger needs than RB
2 Detriot Lions -- Kevin Jones and Brian Calhoun
3 Cleveland Browns* -- Reuben Droughns
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Cadillac Williams
5 Arizona Cardinals -- Edgerrin James
6 Washington Redskins -- Portis/Betts
7 Minnesota Vikings -- Chester Taylor
8 Houston Texans* -- Dom Davis (Dom Williams...)
9 Miami Dolphins -- Ronnie Brown
10 Atlanta Falcons -- Dunn / Norwood
11 San Francisco -- Frank Gore
12 Buffalo Bills -- Willis McGahee
13 St. Louis Rams -- Steven Jackson
14 Carolina Panthers -- Foster/Deangelo Williams
15 Pittsburgh Steelers -- Willie Parker
16 Green Bay Packers

The * is for teams who may take a RB. Lynch would almost definitely be there for us if the Browns draft someone other than AD.

Even if they do I don't think Houston would take Lynch.


The browns wont, there looking QB, offensive line and defense

ny10804
01-14-2007, 11:31 PM
Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.

GB12
01-14-2007, 11:34 PM
Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.

I agree. Even if we wanted to before then there isn't really anyone who'd be an upgrade.

TitleTown088
01-15-2007, 12:13 AM
Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.
sure is.

CARDIAC CAT 7
01-15-2007, 01:27 AM
The sig is tight Title Town

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 07:34 AM
Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.true, true, true

jackalope
01-15-2007, 08:49 AM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2

RockJock07
01-15-2007, 11:02 AM
Sorry about all that Bears crap guys, I thought I was being fair with what i said in the Bears forum, but apperently I was mistaken.

With that said, I could see Atlanta taking Lynch. Dunn is getting old and Norwood isn't a feature back. I agree that Atlanta has other needs, but I think they are considering lynch if they trade down.

I think a WR in the 3rd is a good idea too and TE in the 2nd.

I think TT also needs to take a true kick returner again, The Bears showed the league how valuable this position is. There isn't a Devin Hester in this class, but I trust TT can find someone.

ny10804
01-15-2007, 11:25 AM
Sorry about all that Bears crap guys, I thought I was being fair with what i said in the Bears forum, but apperently I was mistaken.

With that said, I could see Atlanta taking Lynch. Dunn is getting old and Norwood isn't a feature back. I agree that Atlanta has other needs, but I think they are considering lynch if they trade down.

I think a WR in the 3rd is a good idea too and TE in the 2nd.

I think TT also needs to take a true kick returner again, The Bears showed the league how valuable this position is. There isn't a Devin Hester in this class, but I trust TT can find someone.

Someone like Cory Rodgers.

I doubt Atlanta takes Lynch, Dunn still has 2 years left in the tank, and Norwood was beastly this year -- 633 yards rushing with a 6.4 yard per carry average. They have bigger needs, I'd bet they take Landry or Nelson.

jackalope
01-15-2007, 11:52 AM
does anyone know what pick we have in the 2nd round this year? i know last year we had the 5th pick in the first and the 4th pick in the 2nd. why is this?

ny10804
01-15-2007, 12:26 PM
does anyone know what pick we have in the 2nd round this year? i know last year we had the 5th pick in the first and the 4th pick in the 2nd. why is this?

When two or more teams have the same record, the tiebreaker is strength of schedule -- the team with the lower percentage drafts higher. This method sets the order they pick in the first round. In each successive round, the teams' picks are rotated, ie if 3 teams were tied, the team that picked first out of those three in the first round will pick last of those three in the second. The team who picked second now picks first, and the team who picked third now picks second. This is done for all 7 rounds.

jackalope
01-15-2007, 12:40 PM
does anyone know what pick we have in the 2nd round this year? i know last year we had the 5th pick in the first and the 4th pick in the 2nd. why is this?

When two or more teams have the same record, the tiebreaker is strength of schedule -- the team with the lower percentage drafts higher. This method sets the order they pick in the first round. In each successive round, the teams' picks are rotated, ie if 3 teams were tied, the team that picked first out of those three in the first round will pick last of those three in the second. The team who picked second now picks first, and the team who picked third now picks second. This is done for all 7 rounds.k, thanks. theirs 7 other teams with an 8-8 record.

nbarnett56
01-15-2007, 01:43 PM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2
I'm really high on Lynch as well. Though I don't think that we will get him

As for DE, there is alot of talented DE's in this draft. If one is on the board in the 2nd, I wouldn't hesitate taking one. Jenkins is a RFA this year so he will be an UFA in 2008.

I wouldn't be upset with a WR in the 1st, but we have much more need at other positions.

Either way we must come out of this draft with a RB, TE, CB, WR, and Oline depth.

umphrey
01-15-2007, 02:48 PM
Interesting article on our OC job:

By TOM SILVERSTEIN
tsilverstein @ journalsentinel.com
Posted: Jan. 10, 2007

As Mike McCarthy continues his search for a new offensive coordinator, the most logical choice should he go outside the organization remains Paul Hackett, his mentor in the West Coast offense.
Hackett, who hired McCarthy at the University of Pittsburgh in 1989 and took him along to the Kansas City Chiefs in 1993, just finished the last year of his contract as quarterbacks coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and is apparently seeking to be a coordinator again.

McCarthy and Hackett, 49, remain close and, according to a league source, have spoken in the past few weeks. However, it's unclear whether it was the two exploring possibilities or a formal interview for the coordinator's job that opened up when Jeff Jagodzinski accepted an offer to be head coach at Boston College.

Hackett's contract might not expire until the end of the month, but even if it does, it's more than likely Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden has given him the opportunity to pursue a coordinator's job. Gruden also served under Hackett at the University of Pittsburgh and has credited him with having a strong influence on his coaching career.

A year ago, McCarthy explored the possibility of hiring Hackett, probably in a position other than offensive coordinator because he wanted Jagodzinski for that job. Still, when asked on the day he was hired if Hackett was a candidate to become coordinator, McCarthy said yes, although he knew it was unlikely Tampa Bay would let him out of his contract.

"Paul Hackett has been a major influence in my coaching career," McCarthy said at the time. "He'd definitely be a candidate. Once again, how the staff shakes out is going to play a big part in that as far as what direction we go. But I have the utmost respect and owe a lot to Paul Hackett because he's the one that has taught me from Day One at the University of Pittsburgh in 1989 the basics of quarterback play and the foundation of the West Coast offense."

Hackett, who specializes in handling quarterbacks, learned the West Coast offense from legendary coach Bill Walsh while serving as an assistant with the San Francisco 49ers from 1983-'85 and taught it to McCarthy. In addition to an extensive career coaching in the college ranks, Hackett has coached for the Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, New York Jets, Jacksonville Jaguars, 49ers, Chiefs and Buccaneers.

If McCarthy is considering Hackett, he would have to measure how it would affect his staff, particularly quarterbacks coach Tom Clements. Hackett would undoubtedly take an active approach in coaching the quarterbacks and there would be questions about how duties would be split.

This week, Clements has been mentioned in various media reports as a candidate to be offensive coordinator under Nick Saban at the University of Alabama. However, a source familiar with the search there said Saban was going to hire former NFL assistant Joe Pendry for the job.

Assuming media reports were correct and Clements was a candidate for that job, he could be actively seeking a new job either in an attempt to find a coordinator's job or in anticipation of Hackett joining the staff in some capacity.

McCarthy is out of the office this week but said last week that he intended to continue the search for Jagodzinski's replacement while at his second home in Austin, Texas. Attempts to reach McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson were unsuccessful.

It's unclear whether McCarthy has interviewed any in-house candidates. Offensive line coach Joe Philbin, who has a solid background in the team's zone-blocking scheme, is considered the front-runner because of his expertise in the running game and ability to fill the same role Jagodzinski held.

If Hackett is the choice for offensive coordinator, he would have a strong hand in coaching the quarterbacks. Hackett is most known for having resurrected veteran Rich Gannon's career in Kansas City, developing Chad Pennington with the New York Jets and grooming Buccaneers quarterback Chris Simms.

Hackett has coached extensively both on the college level and in the pros. He was an assistant at Southern Cal from 1976-'80 and head coach from 1998-'2000. He returned to the pros to become offensive coordinator under Herm Edwards in New York in 2001 and stayed there through the 2004 season until resigning under pressure.

As offensive coordinator with the Jets, Hackett was roundly criticized for his play-calling and inability to make adjustments during games. However, Pennington had his best season with Hackett as offensive coordinator, posting a passer rating of 104.2 in 2002, his first season as a starter.

If McCarthy considers hiring Hackett, he will have to decide whether his coaching style would mesh with Brett Favre, who may come back for another season. Hackett is a stickler for proper mechanics and discourages free-lancing, which would certainly put him at odds with Favre's style of play.

However, Hackett might be able to help Favre the way he did Gannon, who went from the scrap heap to most valuable player.

ny10804
01-15-2007, 03:05 PM
Well, Philbin is the new offensive coordinator. Winston Moss is now an assistant head coach/defense -- whatever that means. James Campen the offensive line coach and Jerry Fontenot the assistant offensive line coach.

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2007/01/15/1/

jackalope
01-15-2007, 03:34 PM
i was hoping tom clements got the job, but i'm happy we promoted within.

LickaMahfeetz
01-15-2007, 03:34 PM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2


I think people drastically overrate our DTs
I would go Amobi Okoye over Marshawn Lynch 9 times out of 10. Good running backs can be "made", especially in the ZBS. I don't think you can say that about DTs.

LickaMahfeetz
01-15-2007, 03:38 PM
i was hoping tom clements got the job, but i'm happy we promoted within.

I'm glad that Philbin got the job and Clements didn't. McCarthy primarily handles the passing offense and the OC would handle the run offense. I'd want an OC with ZBS experience because of it.

jackalope
01-15-2007, 03:38 PM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2


I think people drastically overrate our DTs
I would go Amobi Okoye over Marshawn Lynch 9 times out of 10. Good running backs can be "made", especially in the ZBS. I don't think you can say that about DTs.i think Pickett is very good and we have a lot of depth behind him.

LickaMahfeetz
01-15-2007, 03:52 PM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2


I think people drastically overrate our DTs
I would go Amobi Okoye over Marshawn Lynch 9 times out of 10. Good running backs can be "made", especially in the ZBS. I don't think you can say that about DTs.i think Pickett is very good and we have a lot of depth behind him.

I think Picket is very good too. But I don't think he is great. I think we have good depth, but we don't have a stud DT. I believe that it all begins in the trenches and we need studs on our line.

I'd rather take a stud starter with subpar depth than a starter that is only slightly better than his backups (C. Williams)

nbarnett56
01-15-2007, 03:58 PM
some draft thoughts

-i still really want Lynch and i think that he'll be there at 16

-i agree that DE isn't a first day need and neither is DT

-i don't want WR in the 1st unless it is CJ, take one in the 3rd

-i'd take secondary or a TE in round 2


I think people drastically overrate our DTs
I would go Amobi Okoye over Marshawn Lynch 9 times out of 10. Good running backs can be "made", especially in the ZBS. I don't think you can say that about DTs.i think Pickett is very good and we have a lot of depth behind him.

I think Picket is very good too. But I don't think he is great. I think we have good depth, but we don't have a stud DT. I believe that it all begins in the trenches and we need studs on our line.

I'd rather take a stud starter with subpar depth than a starter that is only slightly better than his backups (C. Williams)

We don't really need a stud DT for our system though. We just need big guys upfront to keep the blockers off the LBs. It would be nice to get impact player at DT but I don't feel as if its a bigger need than say CB or RB.

Gravedigger42
01-15-2007, 04:13 PM
I agree about DT being a need. I lke Lynch alot and he would be 1st rounder if he's available.

In defense of needing a DT though:

QB's get really rattled and make very poor decisions when then they get pressure from the inside. If they can't step up in the pocket to avoid the outside rush they will throw the ball up for grabs, get pummelled, or both. A top notch DT not only free up our LB's but makes the secondaries job much easier. Need real evidence of what a stud DT can do for a team and look no further than Chicago. With Tommie Harris their DEF was a force to be reckoned with. Teams couldn't run and QB's didn't have time to sit in the pocket and find open WR's. Now that hes been on IR the defense if completely different. I don't think teams fear them nearly as much.

Pickett is a good run stopper and a great addition to our team, but if we had a stud DT our defense would be ranked in the top 10 next year without having to make any other changes.

LickaMahfeetz
01-15-2007, 04:18 PM
We don't really need a stud DT for our system though. We just need big guys upfront to keep the blockers off the LBs. It would be nice to get impact player at DT but I don't feel as if its a bigger need than say CB or RB.

True, in our scheme we may not need it. But I'm not a big fan of that scheme. It keeps our guys fresh so they can keep going the whole game long, but its not like they are dominating games.

I think a stud DT would help out our secondary, help out LBs that would make them absolutely dominant.

I don't believe RB is necessarily a 1st round need. Like I said before, RBs can be "made" especially in the ZBS. And if we did want to pick one up early, I say there are plenty we could pick up in the 2nd

ny10804
01-15-2007, 04:19 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

sik wit it
01-15-2007, 04:22 PM
I agree about DT being a need. I lke Lynch alot and he would be 1st rounder if he's available.

In defense of needing a DT though:

QB's get really rattled and make very poor decisions when then they get pressure from the inside. If they can't step up in the pocket to avoid the outside rush they will throw the ball up for grabs, get pummelled, or both. A top notch DT not only free up our LB's but makes the secondaries job much easier. Need real evidence of what a stud DT can do for a team and look no further than Chicago. With Tommie Harris their DEF was a force to be reckoned with. Teams couldn't run and QB's didn't have time to sit in the pocket and find open WR's. Now that hes been on IR the defense if completely different. I don't think teams fear them nearly as much.

Pickett is a good run stopper and a great addition to our team, but if we had a stud DT our defense would be ranked in the top 10 next year without having to make any other changes.
If we get okoye I would be happy, but i still wouldn't mind lynch. I'll trust TT no matter what. With that said, football does begin in the trenches. We could get very good pressure on the QB WITHOUT EVEN BLITZING. How much of a luxory would that be. As we've seen with ZBS in denver and atlanta, a rb stud isn't necessary.

nbarnett56
01-15-2007, 04:39 PM
We don't really need a stud DT for our system though. We just need big guys upfront to keep the blockers off the LBs. It would be nice to get impact player at DT but I don't feel as if its a bigger need than say CB or RB.

True, in our scheme we may not need it. But I'm not a big fan of that scheme. It keeps our guys fresh so they can keep going the whole game long, but its not like they are dominating games.

I think a stud DT would help out our secondary, help out LBs that would make them absolutely dominant.

I don't believe RB is necessarily a 1st round need. Like I said before, RBs can be "made" especially in the ZBS. And if we did want to pick one up early, I say there are plenty we could pick up in the 2nd

I really like Johnny Jolly as well. He is pretty actice for a big man and I think he will get more playing time next year. Though I would like a stud upfront, I think we are fine for the most part on the Dline.

Lynch though compares very well to Ahman Green IMO. He is a feature RB who has speed and catches well out of the backfield. Though its true that the system can make the RB, I feel like we need a guy like Lynch and wouldn't mind spending a 1st round pick to get him.

sik wit it
01-15-2007, 04:40 PM
instead of discussing who we want, the real question is how do you guys feel that sterling is finally gone?

jackalope
01-15-2007, 04:57 PM
instead of discussing who we want, the real question is how do you guys feel that sterling is finally gone?he's gone for good? the poster? thank god.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-15-2007, 05:19 PM
instead of discussing who we want, the real question is how do you guys feel that sterling is finally gone?banned?

sik wit it
01-15-2007, 05:21 PM
instead of discussing who we want, the real question is how do you guys feel that sterling is finally gone?banned?
not entirely sure but on posts you can't click on his name. I dont know what that means.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-15-2007, 05:25 PM
instead of discussing who we want, the real question is how do you guys feel that sterling is finally gone?banned?
not entirely sure but on posts you can't click on his name. I dont know what that means.oh i enjoyed reading what he had to say

GB12
01-15-2007, 05:40 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

Finally other people are getting what Ive been saying. That would make our Dline very strong and He could draw blockers off Kampman and KGB when he's in.

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 05:53 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

Finally other people are getting what Ive been saying. That would make our Dline very strong and He could draw blockers off Kampman and KGB when he's in.I would be all for it if we didn't have such a big need at RB, S, and TE

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 05:53 PM
hey look at that, that was just my 1500 post

roughrider30
01-15-2007, 05:59 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

Finally other people are getting what Ive been saying. That would make our Dline very strong and He could draw blockers off Kampman and KGB when he's in.I would be all for it if we didn't have such a big need at RB, S, and TE

and WR

ny10804
01-15-2007, 06:03 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

Finally other people are getting what Ive been saying. That would make our Dline very strong and He could draw blockers off Kampman and KGB when he's in.

DE

You know what, I think the combination of Cullen Jenkins on running downs and KGB on passing downs is much better than any DE we could get from this draft. By staying with these two we don't have to spend a high pick on a DE and can use that pick on a more pressing need.

QFT. Cullen Jenkins alone is better than any DE we could get in the draft.

Just a reminder this is ment for offseason needs meaning FA and draft. With that being said I should have had it a little farther down but we are still going to need someone. I like the Jenkins/KGB combinantion and if we choose to stick with that then DT becomes a need.

Exactly my thinking. Enter 6-1 317 Amobi Okoye or 6-6 331 Alan Branch.

Landry is still my favorite pick. I would also love the prospect of

Jenkins -- Okoye -- Pickett -- Kampman

on running downs, and

Gbaja-Biamila -- Jenkins -- Okoye -- Kampman

on passing downs. Colin Cole could sub in on running dows, and Corey Williams on passing downs. Mike Montgomery could spell Kampman.

This is from page 40. Oh how time flies.

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 06:05 PM
I'd want Amobi Okoye if Lynch wasn't available. Although 310 pounds is no longer huge, he packs that in in a 6'1 frame -- he's very stout. All of the backup DTs are better suited at rushing the passer, having Okoye would really help the run defense.

Finally other people are getting what Ive been saying. That would make our Dline very strong and He could draw blockers off Kampman and KGB when he's in.I would be all for it if we didn't have such a big need at RB, S, and TE

and WRbut thats not a first round need, thats late second/third need

GB12
01-15-2007, 06:07 PM
This is from page 40. Oh how time flies.

I remember you being with me but now others are coming. I just happened to qoute you.

Moses
01-15-2007, 06:21 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

GB12
01-15-2007, 06:25 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

I don't like takeing a WR in round 1. I do want to see what Underwood can do though. It'd kind of suck to take Landry when we had someone all along.

GB12
01-15-2007, 06:39 PM
The sig is tight Title Town

Looks a lot like the one iworshipbender made...

nbarnett56
01-15-2007, 07:02 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

I would love that draft. I also think that Culver would be a viable option if Manuel can't progress next year.

Man_Law_99
01-15-2007, 07:07 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

We should trade down to 23th so we draft Greg Olsen then draft a DE in 2nd round

nbarnett56
01-15-2007, 07:20 PM
Honestly I feel like we will have another strong draft and we really can't go wrong no matter the direction we go in. I have faith in what TT is doing and it looks like this team is on the right track.

On a different subject, what's everyone's take on Mike McCarthy? Although we had a fairly weak schedule, we still managed to get to .500 on the season. I think we might be in for a little setback next year - especially if Rodgers takes the reins. He was signed to a 3 year deal and typically coaches with 1 year left get extentions to swell the "lame duck" rumors. Is he the guy to lead us for the future?

ny10804
01-15-2007, 07:24 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

We should trade down to 23th so we draft Greg Olsen then draft a DE in 2nd round

Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.

I agree. Even if we wanted to before then there isn't really anyone who'd be an upgrade.

Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.
sure is.

Guys, if we resign Cullen Jenkins, DE is at best a late Day 2 need. Him and Kampy on running downs, KGB and Kampy on passing downs, and Michael Montgomery spelling Kampy is a very good rotation.true, true, true

ny10804
01-15-2007, 07:37 PM
Honestly I feel like we will have another strong draft and we really can't go wrong no matter the direction we go in. I have faith in what TT is doing and it looks like this team is on the right track.

On a different subject, what's everyone's take on Mike McCarthy? Although we had a fairly weak schedule, we still managed to get to .500 on the season. I think we might be in for a little setback next year - especially if Rodgers takes the reins. He was signed to a 3 year deal and typically coaches with 1 year left get extentions to swell the "lame duck" rumors. Is he the guy to lead us for the future?

It's certainly a possibillity, provided that Aaron Rodgers is QB. Our schedule next year is up and down: we have 4 easy games against the Lions and Dikes, a near-win-lock against the Raiders, 4 winnable games versus the Rams, Panthers, Giants, and Redskins, 6 hard games against the Eagles, Chiefs, Broncos, Bears (twice) and Cowboys, and 1 near-loss-lock against the Chargers.

If Brett is QBing, Jenkins is resigned, we pick up a couple FAs, and have another solid draft, I could see this team winning 9-10 games.

ny10804
01-15-2007, 07:41 PM
Random thought, I'm totally in favor of us trading down a few times. If TT's guy could be had a few picks later, he will trade down, and it'd be very nice to accumulate a couple more Day 1 picks -- as evidenced by the draftees Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz.

someone447
01-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Packers should be targetting Lynch in the 1st round. If they can't get him, they should look at a wide receiver. Jarrett, Ginn Jr., or Rice would all be nice pickups. The Packers should look to draft RB, WR, and TE all on the first day.

1. Marshawn Lynch
2. Greg Olsen
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins

That's what the Packers should be looking for in my opinion. I think the front seven is very strong and doesn't need upgrading at this point. Strong safety could use an upgrade but Manuel should get another year especially with the chance that Underwood steps up.

I would love that draft. I also think that Culver would be a viable option if Manuel can't progress next year.

I also love that draft, however, I don't see Higgins being available in the third. I think he will have one of the fastest times in the 40 at the combine, and will surprise a lot of people during the senior bowl. He is a very good player, with incredible speed. I can see us trading down a few spots in the first(between 20-23 and having our draft something like this. Our 1st and 3rd for their 1st, 2nd, 3rd or something similar) Then trade down a few more spots with one of the 2nd rounders and pick up an extra 3rd.

1.Amobi Okoye(or if he is gone Reggie Nelson or Michael Griffin)
2a. Greg Olsen
2b. Johnnie Lee Higgins
3a.Fred Bennet
3b. Gary Russell

Or something somewhat like that. TT has a history of trading down, so I expect it to be no different this year.

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 08:43 PM
Random thought, I'm totally in favor of us trading down a few times. If TT's guy could be had a few picks later, he will trade down, and it'd be very nice to accumulate a couple more Day 1 picks -- as evidenced by the draftees Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz.nothin wrong with that idea brother, anybody see some of the stuff that got Sterling banned. Wow, thats all I'll say, he said some politically incorrect things that you just don't usually say in public

ny10804
01-15-2007, 09:04 PM
Random thought, I'm totally in favor of us trading down a few times. If TT's guy could be had a few picks later, he will trade down, and it'd be very nice to accumulate a couple more Day 1 picks -- as evidenced by the draftees Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz.nothin wrong with that idea brother, anybody see some of the stuff that got Sterling banned. Wow, thats all I'll say, he said some politically incorrect things that you just don't usually say in public
I'm pretty sure he was Texico from Mexico. Both were from Texas and were outspoken, and both were eventually banned... idk...

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-15-2007, 09:14 PM
Random thought, I'm totally in favor of us trading down a few times. If TT's guy could be had a few picks later, he will trade down, and it'd be very nice to accumulate a couple more Day 1 picks -- as evidenced by the draftees Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz.nothin wrong with that idea brother, anybody see some of the stuff that got Sterling banned. Wow, thats all I'll say, he said some politically incorrect things that you just don't usually say in public
I'm pretty sure he was Texico from Mexico. Both were from Texas and were outspoken, and both were eventually banned... idk...wheres this at i wanna take a peek

GB12
01-15-2007, 09:15 PM
Random thought, I'm totally in favor of us trading down a few times. If TT's guy could be had a few picks later, he will trade down, and it'd be very nice to accumulate a couple more Day 1 picks -- as evidenced by the draftees Greg Jennings and Jason Spitz.nothin wrong with that idea brother, anybody see some of the stuff that got Sterling banned. Wow, thats all I'll say, he said some politically incorrect things that you just don't usually say in public
I'm pretty sure he was Texico from Mexico. Both were from Texas and were outspoken, and both were eventually banned... idk...

I dont think so. I hated Tex but he actually knew hoow to type. Also he would never say anything good about Favre.

sik wit it
01-15-2007, 09:18 PM
Honestly I feel like we will have another strong draft and we really can't go wrong no matter the direction we go in. I have faith in what TT is doing and it looks like this team is on the right track.

On a different subject, what's everyone's take on Mike McCarthy? Although we had a fairly weak schedule, we still managed to get to .500 on the season. I think we might be in for a little setback next year - especially if Rodgers takes the reins. He was signed to a 3 year deal and typically coaches with 1 year left get extentions to swell the "lame duck" rumors. Is he the guy to lead us for the future?
I like MM, even if we do suffer a setback(which won't happen) I'll give him a pass. He exceeded everyone expectations and I like his style. Didn't seem like a good choice at the time but TT knew what he was doing.

GB12
01-15-2007, 09:27 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=553012

Moss named assistant HC.

70challenger457
01-15-2007, 09:29 PM
Honestly I feel like we will have another strong draft and we really can't go wrong no matter the direction we go in. I have faith in what TT is doing and it looks like this team is on the right track.

On a different subject, what's everyone's take on Mike McCarthy? Although we had a fairly weak schedule, we still managed to get to .500 on the season. I think we might be in for a little setback next year - especially if Rodgers takes the reins. He was signed to a 3 year deal and typically coaches with 1 year left get extentions to swell the "lame duck" rumors. Is he the guy to lead us for the future?
I like MM, even if we do suffer a setback(which won't happen) I'll give him a pass. He exceeded everyone expectations and I like his style. Didn't seem like a good choice at the time but TT knew what he was doing.if we can eliminate mistakes on the D, which we did towards the end, MM will look a lot better of a coach

01-15-2007, 09:29 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=553012

Moss named assistant HC.I don't know how this will effect us but HOORAY anyways.

sik wit it
01-15-2007, 09:42 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=553012

Moss named assistant HC.
all i focused on for a couple seconds was the link and moss named.....thought we had a randy sighting, or i'm just gettin itchy fingers for him

GB12
01-15-2007, 09:52 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=553012

Moss named assistant HC.I don't know how this will effect us but HOORAY anyways.

The "assistant HC" title means nothing really. Just thought I''d let everyone know. :wink:

TitleTown088
01-15-2007, 10:43 PM
The sig is tight Title Town

Looks a lot like the one iworshipbender made...

Could be i dunno who made it.

GB12
01-15-2007, 10:57 PM
The sig is tight Title Town

Looks a lot like the one iworshipbender made...

Could be i dunno who made it.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/93/favrerain3cu.gif

That's the one javon, 4pAc and I have a bet for. Not the same but very similar.

umphrey
01-15-2007, 11:49 PM
Here are some rumors that are spreading around the NFL. These rumors come from Joe Arrigo who has inside contacts. Thanks to Joe Arrigo and Packerchatters for these rumors.

I bolded the ones that are most important. Take it for what it's worth, just rumors, but an interesting read nonetheless.

I heard that the Eagles and Vikings have thrown out the idea of a McNabb to Minnesota swap. I dont believe this one, since he is still rehabbing and the Vikings have high hopes for Tavaris Jackson.

Oakland REALLY like Steve Sarkasian (USC Asst. HC/QB coach). He has down a good job at USC, Sark also has a really good offensive mind, and served as the Raiders QB coach for a season (2004). Al Davis is said to REALLY think he can be a “special coach”. Sark, 32, might wait and see if Lane Kiffin (current USC OC) gets the U of Minnesota job before anything serious happens.

Also, the Raiders will interview Mike Martz (which I think is a match made in heaven), current DC Rob Ryan, Denny Green, James Lofton and IF (that is a BIG if) Marty Schottenhiemer (and the Chargers) lose to the Pats this weekend, all are on Davis’ list as well.

I heard that IF Brett Favre decides to come back it will be for 2 years and then he will call it a career. I was told that he like the team and the direction they are going and feels he has invested alot into this current Packers team. He thinks the OL can be one of the NFL’s best real soon, and has been told by high ranking Packers officials that upgrading the “playmakers” at the WR, RB and TE positions are a priority.

Dont look for the Packers to draft a RB early form my conversations with sources. They feel the zone blocking scheme can fit a variety of RB’s and they are leary of Adrian Petersons injury question and I was also told theyare not sure Marshawn Lynch is the real deal. They are also exploring trade posisbilties with various clubs.

The Vikings REALLY like Dwayne Jarrett (WR from USC) and if he is there when they are on the clock, look for him to be the pick.

If the Texans decide to drop David Carr (which I was told they will) look for them to try and draft a QB in round 1. I was told they are looking HARD and Brian Brohm and asked for his medical records. If Brohm declares, he could be the pick, although RB is also a “need” for them since Domanick Williams was hurt all year.

Pete Carroll will NOT be the Dolphins head coach, but a key indicator when he will take an NFL job is Pat Kirwin. They have been good friends since Carroll’s days with the Jets (as HC) and he will bring Kirwin along as his personel guy when he decides to go back to the NFL. As for the Phins’ job, he was intrigued by it, but his heart is at USC, not to mention he can build a legacy in the same breath as Bear Bryant and Woody Hayes if the Trojans (which are LOADED the next 3 years) win another 2 titles.

If Norm CHow gets the Arizona Cardnials job, look for Jim Bates (providing he doesnt end up in Miami as HC) to be his DC. Bates has a track record of turning things around on the defensive end quickly and wouyld have complete control of the defensive side of the ball, while Chow focuses on the offense.

Bates is a strong canidate for the Dolphins job, as is Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Martz.

Look for the Steelers to stay in house with Russ Grimm as their coach. They want to keep Ken Whisenhunt as OC (if he doesnt end up somewhere as a HC) and have the same framework as they had the past 15 years with Bill Cower.

Two QB’s that will be drafted by some team in April are Troy Smith and Chris Leak, both on the small side. Depending on Smith’s height/weigh in at the combine he could as high as a late 1st or as low as a 3rd from what I have been told. Leak on the other hand looks to be no higher then a 2nd rounder and could fall into the 4th round depending on his height.

Look for Ted Ginn to delare for the NFL sometime in the next week. He risks actually HURTRING his draft status if he returns to Ohio St. They are losing their Heisman QB, their complementry WR and potenally Antonio Pittman, their starting RB.

Cleveland and the Raiders have talked trade, but there are ALOT of “if’s”. IF the Browns win the coin flip and have the 3rd overall choice I was told they would try and trade up for JaMarcus Russell by offering their 1st (3rd overall), a 2nd rounder and a either a 1 or 2 next year, ALONG with an offensive player (Braylon Edwards or Kellen Winslow maybe?). The Raiders would then look to draft GT WR Calvin Johnson and look to a QB in round 2 (Troy SMith maybe?).

The Jets, Redskins, Cardinals, Pats, Giants, Dolphins, Houston, Lions and Chiefs all are want Ashante Samuel this off season. He along with Nate Clements are the top two CB’s on the market, and Samuel could be had alot cheaper then Clements.

Look for the Bears to try and move Thomas Jones this off season. They want to feature Cedric Benson and feel he is ready after 2 years.

A player the Packers like ALOT in this draft…Romance Taylor (formally of U of Texas). They think he can be a game changer in the lines of Reggie Bush, and with some charector questions, he could be had in the 3rd round.

Larry Coyer’s (former Denver DC) name has been mentioned as a potential Packers asst. head coach already, just days after he was let go by Denver.

Jake Plummer’s name has been mentioned aa a potential back up for these teams next season..J-Ville, Packers, Texans, Oakland, KC, and Tampa Bay.

Look for these RB’s to be dicussed or at least mentioned as RB’s that could/would be moved this off season (via trade or FA)…Clinton Portis, Fred Taylor, Deuce McCallister, Michael Turner, Ahman Green, Ricky Williams, LaMont Jordan and Domanick Williams.

The Packers are intending to upgrade the skills positions this off season. They will talk to certain teams about players and possible deals, also they plan to be active in free agency.

I was told the Packers would have interest in Randy Moss if the price was right, and if Favre returns. The Raiders have put out feelers and the Packers (and Moss) were extreemly receptive. (Rumored to be a third round pick)

The Packers also would have interest in Tony Gonzalez (even if they end up with Moss). They think he can be a better player like Keith Jackson was when they traded for him.

I have been told there will be some running backs that will be “on the market” this off season, some names were surprising to me.

Look for Thompson to inquire about how much $$ Al Harris is looking to add to his deal.

Nate Clements is still one of the top targets for Thompson. He feels Clements impact could be bigger then Woodson’s this year. The key would be if they give Harris a new deal.

Names I hear the Packers would be interested in if Favre retires to back up A-Rod is Aaron Brooks and Jake Plummer.

Dont look for the Packers to try and trade for Matt Schaub. The Falcons are asking for a #1 pick.

A name that may emerge as a possible DC candidate (if Sanders is not retained) is Rob Ryan (Oakland’s DC). Art Shell is being let go and Ryan may be available real soon.

From what I was told, Koren Robinson is doing really well (mentally, physically), and staying in shape, but more importantly sober. I am not sure whether or not he has started to serve his 90 sentence (in Green Bay).

From what I was told, Jeremy Stephens is NOT in option this off season. His style of play (dirty) and poor work ethic is well known around the NFL, and Thompson wants no part of him in Green Bay.

An interesting name was brought up to me in passing…Warren Sapp.

I was told that Jim Mora will NOT be the new DC if they replace Sanders, they expect him to be a canidate in Miami and possibly Oakland.

When I asked about Ted Ginn to one of my sources, he gushed with positive things to say about him. He said that if available, the Packers would think long and hard on taking him, they like his skill set and think he’ll be a way better pro then college player. (smoke screen?)

When I asked about Marshawn Lynch, he said they like his skill set, but aren’t sure on whether or not he’ll translate those nice college #’s into productive pro #’s. He thinks he’ll be a very good player in the pro’s, but not everyone in the organization feels that way (smoke screen?)

He said that IF JaMarcus Russell and Brian Brohm declare (which I think they will), it would make this draft alot better/deeper and that would help the Packers more then people would expect.

He told me that the Packers would indeed look to a QB if the situation presented itself. But insisted that is NOT a knock on Rodgers, just adding “the best player available”.

The Packers want to lock up Green for no more then 2 years, and get Jenkins deal done.

He says his gut is Favre returns for 1 more year, but he was also quick to point out he thought Favre was done after last year, so take it for what it’s worth.

RockJock07
01-16-2007, 12:59 AM
Intersting, I think there are alot of smoke screens here. TT would be a fool to pass on Lynch. Secondly, is that saying trading the pick or for a RB?

What's the deal with Romance Taylor?

I'm torn on Ginn, I see potential, but then I see Troy Williamson.

I wouldn't mind Sapp, but at the right price.

TitleTown088
01-16-2007, 01:03 AM
no marshawn? :cry:

johbur
01-16-2007, 02:20 AM
no marshawn? :cry:

:D

Come now, AG can get it done next year, plus there's a decent crop of FA RBs and Packers have cap space.

I am really starting to like Nelson and Okoye. I don't like the value of #16, unless a player like Landry or Jarrett falls. I do like the thought of trading down to mid-20's and picking up either a TE, or BPA and then an R2 TE.

I like the coaching moves, but I was hoping the Packers might have taken one of the guys from Atlanta as far as the run-scheme goes. I'd also like to grab one or two of their OL as back-ups for next year.

70challenger457
01-16-2007, 08:05 AM
if theres one WR i don't want in the draft is Ginn. His last name might as well be spelled B-U-S-T, but thats just me