How can people not like hockey?

[djp]

Simple question...

I think the NHL is more exciting to watch in the NBA... especially if it's a close game.

[cardsalltheway]

That's not really saying much to be quite honest

[regoob2]

Cause it's so low scoring and unless you follow the game closely it's hard to appreciate.

[TimDris]

Thanks for this thread. +rep

I'm going to post about 5 youtube links to cool hockey highlights for everyone's enjoyment

[Man_Of_Steel]

Hockey is #2 for me. I live in Canada so what do expect, hockey is amazing and way under appreciated.

[Canadian_kid16]

Cause it's so low scoring and unless you follow the game closely it's hard to appreciate.


um...what? Do you want NFL type scores for hoceky or what? At least in the new NHL, low scoring games are probably the most exciting, because some of the saves goalies make are amazing

as for hard to follow, thats your call, but IMO it shouldn't be something you base a sport on

[djp]

3 reasons casual sports fans should like hockey...

1. The shootout - this might be the most exciting thing in sports. Hockey traditionalists may think the old OT system is better, but the shootouts are just so fun.

2. Alex Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Marian Gaborik, Henrik Zetterberg, Malkin, Crosby - These guys are heads and shoulders some of the best dekers around and make defenders look just plain silly.

3. Intensity - Never a dull moment in hockey when the teams don't like each other. All it takes is a run at a goalie and things start to get very interesting

[cardsalltheway]

Thanks for this thread. +rep

I'm going to post about 5 youtube links to cool hockey highlights for everyone's enjoyment

Great idea. Here are 5 cool plays, you have to love the sport now!

[Canadian_kid16]

it doesn't even take a run at the goalie...clean hits can lead to huge brawls now a days

but intensity in terms of rivalry games is amazing. The Toronto/Montreal game on Thursday was one of the most exciting games I've seen in a while

[regoob2]

Hockey is also a very expensive sport to play and you have to find a place to play, it's just easier to play other sports.

[Bills2083]

Last year in the playoffs, Anaheim had trouble selling out their playoff games.
The same thing happened in Carolina two years ago.

In Buffalo, last year in the playoffs, we had thousands of fans outside the arena (The games were sold out, so people stood outside)

Maybe it depends on the area you live in, and how you were brought up.

[Canadian_kid16]

Great idea. Here are 5 cool plays, you have to love the sport now!

He never said anything about loving the sport Hardy...

he said you can watch it to enjoy...

don't watch if you don't want too

[7-11]

I'd love to get into it more cause it really does look good. But we get one game a week here, and i'm usually not even home for it. In other words, very, very hard to get involved in.

[cardsalltheway]

He never said anything about loving the sport Hardy...

he said you can watch it to enjoy...

don't watch if you don't want too

Eh, may have, may not have. I just know there are many occassions on this site when people try to use youtube highlights to solidfy why a player/sport is good or bad. Guess I just misread it.

And please don't call me Hardy.

[TimDris]

Alexander the Great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6QgZtXwLk)

Jagr's Top 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDX0pxdidB4&feature=related)

Sergei Fedorov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJxHuAy6jUc)

Top 10 '06-'07 Saves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZs0lZKgx_Q)

Top 10 '06-'07 Hits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1XpYBGaNGk)

Datsyuk Top 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5KkwRXN_lM)

The Dominator flips Marion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5u0khFnHUg)

[cardsalltheway]

I went to a high school hockey game last weekend (the first I had ever seen full length) and I thought it seemed pretty cool, but I really didn't know what was going on or the strategy behind all the lines and substitutions and such. I think because of how much I'm into football and basketball, it would take me a while to really start to like hockey because I would want to really understand what was going on, and I just don't know if I wanna put in that kind of effort.

[Xiomera]

Thanks for this thread. +rep

I'm going to post about 5 youtube links to cool hockey highlights for everyone's enjoyment

Make sure you include Hasek flipping Gaborik.

[P-L]

Not nearly as big of a hockey fan as I used to be. I still enjoy Wings' games, but that's about it. Now college hockey is where it's at...

[TimDris]

Eh, may have, may not have. I just know there are many occassions on this site when people try to use youtube highlights to solidfy why a player/sport is good or bad. Guess I just misread it.

And please don't call me Hardy.

I figured since a lot of people who like hockey will be in this thread, I'd post some of my favorite highlights so they can watch.

[Bills2083]

What dont you understand about hockey, cards?
I'll try to explain what you dont understand.

[DChess]

some dude got his throat slit tonight. shits crazy

[Bills2083]

Make sure you include Hasek flipping Gaborik.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W5u0khFnHUg

I got you covered Xio.

[Bills2083]

some dude got his throat slit tonight. shits crazy


Yeah, Richard Zednik.
He's in surgery right now.

[TimDris]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W5u0khFnHUg

I got you covered Xio.

I just added it to the original post. thanks though

[jballa838]

because it isnt a sport you can play anywhere. You can play basketball(dribbling, WIA-HANGA, etc.) football, or baseball. Isnt that sociable either. You cant mess around and do much with hockey. Fun to play and watch, but more like soccer than anything.

[TimDris]

because it isnt a sport you can play anywhere. You can play basketball(dribbling, WIA-HANGA, etc.) football, or baseball. Isnt that sociable either. You cant mess around and do much with hockey. Fun to play and watch, but more like soccer than anything.

This is where you're wrong. When I'm at the ponds or just in someone's street playing roller hockey we always mess around. try to pull off awesome moves/saves. there's so many more dekes you can do in hockey than any other sport

[Rich Jr]

I'd rather watch a basketball game in the low 60's than a 5 goal hockey game any day.

[TimDris]

it doesn't even take a run at the goalie...clean hits can lead to huge brawls now a days

but intensity in terms of rivalry games is amazing. The Toronto/Montreal game on Thursday was one of the most exciting games I've seen in a while

I'm sad the Detroit-Colorado rivalry is dead

[Bills2083]

Rich, are there any hockey rinks down there in Louisiana?

[adschofield]

Great idea. Here are 5 cool plays, you have to love the sport now!

I like this guy...

Frankly, hockey blows

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Football>Girl's HS Volleyball>Hockey>Basketball>Baseball.

[jballa838]

This is where you're wrong. When I'm at the ponds or just in someone's street playing roller hockey we always mess around. try to pull off awesome moves/saves. there's so many more dekes you can do in hockey than any other sport
sorry. different thing. Skating is different from walking. You need different footwear too.

[cardsalltheway]

Rich, are there any hockey rinks down there in Louisiana?

I think a lot of what you like does stem from where you come from. I live in Indiana, have almost my whole life. I love basketball more than any sport out there. I know there aren't many hockey rinks around here and we have a semi-pro team, but no one really cares about them nor do they get much pub.

[iowatreat54]

This is where you're wrong. When I'm at the ponds or just in someone's street playing roller hockey we always mess around. try to pull off awesome moves/saves. there's so many more dekes you can do in hockey than any other sport

I think he means you can't just play it anywhere...you need ice, sticks, skates, puck or just sticks, skates, and a ball. or even just sticks and a ball, but hockey without skates is boring...plus, the fact that not many people play it means you can't really just play whenever you want, as far as the average american kid goes...I agree that it is about the same level of interest as soccer, mainly because if you do not play it, majority of people would not understand it/be interested in it

[Rich Jr]

Rich, are there any hockey rinks down there in Louisiana?There's an Ice rink like 15 minutes from my house. I'm taking the g/f for valentine's day.

[skarocksoi]

I just started to get into hockey now that the Pens are good again and we have Crosby and Malkin. In fact, its pretty hard not to get pumped about it with those two guys playing on your team. People here in Pittsburgh are going Pens crazy again like they used to back in the day. Hell, maybe they can pull Van Damme out of whatever dive bar he's in and make another Sudden Death.

Wait, strike that last idea.

[Bills2083]

I agree with the statement that where you're from effects what you like. what dont you know about hockey?

[757Dawg]

The thing with hockey is that it just doesn't translate that well to television.

In person though, it's probably the funnest sport to watch.

[adschofield]

I just started to get into hockey now that the Pens are good again and we have Crosby and Malkin. In fact, its pretty hard not to get pumped about it with those two guys playing on your team. People here in Pittsburgh are going Pens crazy again like they used to back in the day. Hell, maybe they can pull Van Damme out of whatever dive bar he's in and make another Sudden Death.

Wait, strike that last idea.

I wish the Pens would've come to Kansas City

[TimDris]

This is where you're wrong. When I'm at the ponds or just in someone's street playing roller hockey we always mess around. try to pull off awesome moves/saves. there's so many more dekes you can do in hockey than any other sport

Look at the quote I have in this post. I am not arguing that you can play it anywhere. I am saying hockey is a social sport and you can indeed mess around, all you need is a stick and ball/puck

[Bills2083]

I think he means you can't just play it anywhere...you need ice, sticks, skates, puck or just sticks, skates, and a ball. or even just sticks and a ball, but hockey without skates is boring...plus, the fact that not many people play it means you can't really just play whenever you want, as far as the average american kid goes...I agree that it is about the same level of interest as soccer, mainly because if you do not play it, majority of people would not understand it/be interested in it


Every kid I know in my area likes to play street hockey.
What part of the country do you live in?

[jballa838]

i watch hockey occasionally, but I play hockey VIDEOGAMES a lot. NHL Hitz and others are always fun. Arcade hockey games are tight, and sims are ok. Hockey is fun to watch, and I played street hockey. It was fun, but kinda lame. My friend had a net though, and we played with tennis balls.

[themaninblack]

i watch it when its on. it just rarely is or something better is on. my history prof had what seems like a good reason why americans dont like hockey and soccer. he claims americans can't accept ties and therefore won't watch either sport to the degree that they do football or baseball.

[Rich Jr]

I agree with the statement that where you're from effects what you like. what dont you know about hockey?

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/c/05/b5/2c/0c_8.JPG

Well, this was one of my fav games ever.

[iowatreat54]

Every kid I know in my area likes to play street hockey.
What part of the country do you live in?

I'm from Chicago, so midwest...I mean, I played hockey occasionally growing up, but we played baseball, basketball, football and soccer more just because it was easier...all you need is a ball for soccer and football, a bat and ball and maybe random crap to use as bases for baseball, and at least 1 hoop for basketball

it really does depend on where you're from, but my guess is the majority of kids in america play baseball, football, basketball and soccer more than hockey, so they don't really ever become interested in it

[adschofield]

No one plays hockey in Kansas City...But to be honest, I've never really given hockey a chance, so idk, but it's never really televised here in KC

[Bills2083]

i watch it when its on. it just rarely is or something better is on. my history prof had what seems like a good reason why americans dont like hockey and soccer. he claims americans can't accept ties and therefore won't watch either sport to the degree that they do football or baseball.

There are no ties in hockey.

[djp]

i watch it when its on. it just rarely is or something better is on. my history prof had what seems like a good reason why americans dont like hockey and soccer. he claims americans can't accept ties and therefore won't watch either sport to the degree that they do football or baseball.

Your history professor should get a new reason because there hasn't been a tie in an NHL game since the lockout ended.

[Bills2083]

No one plays hockey in Kansas City...But to be honest, I've never really given hockey a chance, so idk, but it's never really televised here in KC

Why did they want to move the Penguins to KC if not many people like hockey?

[iowatreat54]

There are no ties in hockey.

not anymore there aren't, but he prolly meant previously...but that's a good reason, American's can't stand ties...also, as far as soccer goes, anyone who doesn't play it usually thinks it's too slow/boring

[jballa838]

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/c/05/b5/2c/0c_8.JPG

Well, this was one of my fav games ever.
this game was AWESOME!

[adschofield]

Why did they want to move the Penguins to KC if not many people like hockey?

It would have most defintely created interest in the sport here, there's just not a lot of fans of the sport currently...There are some rumors that there might be an expansion team in KC, so idk

[TimDris]

Hockey and Soccer are alike in the sense where you have to look for small sometimes subtle things to really appreciate it, and if you play the sport or are an avid fan you just notice these things. Of course there are the big saves/goals that everyone notices, but I'm talking about the small stuff which makes it so appealing to me.

[Bills2083]

It would have most defintely created interest in the sport here, there's just not a lot of fans of the sport currently...There are some rumors that there might be an expansion team in KC, so idk

I wouldn't get my hopes up, because recently, Gary Bettman said that they are not thinking of creating an expansion team.

[jballa838]

Hockey and Soccer are alike in the sense where you have to look for small sometimes subtle things to really appreciate it, and if you play the sport or are an avid fan you just notice these things. Of course there are the big saves/goals that everyone notices, but I'm talking about the small stuff which makes it so appealing to me.
Thats true too. I watch football more now than in 6th grade because I have been playing for 5 years. Its more fun to watch when you play it, I agree.

[Rich Jr]

Plus Barry Melrose (sp) turns me off to Hockey every time I see him on ESPN.

[iowatreat54]

Hockey and Soccer are alike in the sense where you have to look for small sometimes subtle things to really appreciate it, and if you play the sport or are an avid fan you just notice these things. Of course there are the big saves/goals that everyone notices, but I'm talking about the small stuff which makes it so appealing to me.

exactly...I grew up playing soccer, so I love watching pretty much any game, just for the strategy and subtle things that most people outside of the fan base wouldn't understand...personally, I can watch a hockey game if I really wanted to, I have nothing against it, but not understanding any strategies or how to identify what exactly is a penalty vs. what isn't, stuff like that, just kinda turns me off to watching a game on TV

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I love hockey, seriously. I'm a fan of the Devils, and it's really awesome to see Brodeur do what he does. He's just so phenomenal, that his great saves make up for a lack of goals. Also, there is simply no feeling in sports even close to as nerve-wracking as being on the penalty kill with a one-goal lead or in a tied game with under 5 minutes to go.

[Bills2083]

exactly...I grew up playing soccer, so I love watching pretty much any game, just for the strategy and subtle things that most people outside of the fan base wouldn't understand...personally, I can watch a hockey game if I really wanted to, I have nothing against it, but not understanding any strategies or how to identify what exactly is a penalty vs. what isn't, stuff like that, just kinda turns me off to watching a game on TV

The refs are all different.
One game, they call everything, but then the next game, they dont call anything.

Its the same thing with me and basketball.
I dont understand all of the fouls, or what a technical foul, etc. are.

[TimDris]

Yeah. I agree CuterChris. I am one of my team's top penalty killers and it is extremely stressful. Being on the kill during a 5-on-3 is just crazy, especially if the puck is stuck in your zone and the opposing team is working it around the zone.

[Billingsley26]

some dude got his throat slit tonight. shits crazy

yeah, Richard Zednik. My dad was at that game toninte in Buffalo, and called me right after it happened. He said he hasnt seen so much blood pour out that fast.

[Billingsley26]

I think he means you can't just play it anywhere...you need ice, sticks, skates, puck or just sticks, skates, and a ball. or even just sticks and a ball, but hockey without skates is boring...plus, the fact that not many people play it means you can't really just play whenever you want, as far as the average american kid goes...I agree that it is about the same level of interest as soccer, mainly because if you do not play it, majority of people would not understand it/be interested in it

I agree with TimDris on this one. Where I live, there are hockey rinks everywhere. And for the most part, they are almost always unavailable due to over booking. Where I am staying right nowin Buffalo, there were 3 outdoor rinks that were made in the park right bhind my house. Things like that make it avalable anytime.

But I guess it does depend on where you live. I mean someone from Texas wont have all the hocey rinks that we do in Toronto.

[TimDris]

I think its all about exposure. Hockey can exist anywhere in the country (either on the ice, in the streets, or organized roller hockey). It all comes down to whether or not people are exposed to it. There are plenty of people in Florida, California, Arizona, etc. who play ice or roller hockey. People just are not exposed to it like they are with baseball, football, and basketball. That's why it is not popular.

[Damix]

Simple question...

I think the NHL is more exciting to watch in the NBA... especially if it's a close game.

That pretty much says it all...

[Billingsley26]

I think its all about exposure. Hockey can exist anywhere in the country (either on the ice, in the streets, or organized roller hockey). It all comes down to whether or not people are exposed to it. There are plenty of people in Florida, California, Arizona, etc. who play ice or roller hockey. People just are not exposed to it like they are with baseball, football, and basketball. That's why it is not popular.

Exactly. In Toronto, you are basically born to play hockey. I played for a couple years before I quit for football. Its just something that you are bound to do. Everyone is given hockey sticks, nets or goalie equipment for bdays or christmas, and everyone plays. Its just the way of life in some areas.

It does depend. You are right though, there are hockey fans everywhere, and it does come down to exposure. I guess the same could be said about football in Canada. Its really all about intrest and who gets it going around you.

[M.O.T.H.]

I like hockey but, give me basketball any day if we're comparing the two. All my hockey player friends absolutely hate basketball for some reason, though.

Of the big 4...hockey would be my least favorite but, i do like it.

[TimDris]

I like hockey but, give me basketball any day if we're comparing the two. All my hockey player friends absolutely hate basketball for some reason, though.

Of the big 4...hockey would be my least favorite but, i do like it.

Yeah I've never really thought about that, but its the same with my friends. I am one of the few hockey fans that can watch a basketball game (only college though). I guess the sports are so opposite and the popularity the NBA gets makes hockey fans jealous. What always gets me going is that there will be obscure college bball games on (Del St vs Hampton) on instead of an NHL game.

[GB12]

If there was a NHL team in Milwaukee I could probably get into it. I watched the NCAA championship a couple years ago when Wisconsin won and it was entertaining. They started airing Minnesota Wild games on FSN Wisconsin last year, but that doesn't do it for me. I was hoping that the Predators owner would move them to Milwaukee or start a new team in Milwaukee since he lives here, but he bought the Wild instead.

[M.O.T.H.]

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/c/05/b5/2c/0c_8.JPG

Well, this was one of my fav games ever.

My buddy had that...I sucked at it. My game was NHL 98...Messier, Graves, Leetch, Esa, Gretzky, Richter, and my personal fav, Lafontaine...oh yes. I was unstoppable...haha.

[nfrillman]

You know what I really like about the NHL as opposed to the NBA, it isn't fixed. There is no way someone can convince me the NBA isn't fixed to some extent. It is without a doubt the easiest sport to fix. Also, hockey does tend to rule.

[roughrider30]

I dont know if this has been said yet or not, but I really think the main reasons for its lack of nationwide popularity has to do with fact that it is the hardest sport to just go out and play anytime with friends. Especially if you live in a place where there aren't many rinks. I love hockey, but I also live in a town with 6 indoor rinks and around 8 outdoor rinks.

For example: for football all you would need is an open space and a ball. For hockey, you need a rink and all the equipment, so its much harder to get a game going.

Kids, especially in southern states, grow up playing sports like baseball, football, and basketball as it is much easier to just go out and play

[themaninblack]

Your history professor should get a new reason because there hasn't been a tie in an NHL game since the lockout ended.

well, he is a history prof and im sure hes speaking from a historical perspective. but maybe thats just me, chief.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Ive been playing minor hockey since I was 5 or something and its somewhat just a natrual part of life where I live. Hockey Night in Canada is something everyone watches Saturday nights, aside from league play sometimes rent the ice with my buddies and have a great game. Play with my Dads team when they have a family game (all the players have their kids play, players and kids are split into 2 equal teams) then kick back in the dressing room with some beers. I cant stress how much of a history, tradition, etc is around me. My family has strong hockey ties and hockey is really just second nature where I am.

[roughrider30]

Ive been playing minor hockey since I was 5 or something and its somewhat just a natrual part of life where I live. Hockey Night in Canada is something everyone watches Saturday nights, aside from league play sometimes rent the ice with my buddies and have a great game. Play with my Dads team when they have a family game (all the players have their kids play, players and kids are split into 2 equal teams) then kick back in the dressing room with some beers. I cant stress how much of a history, tradition, etc is around me. My family has strong hockey ties and hockey is really just second nature where I am.

Ya I come from a big hockey town too, where everyone's kids play and if you not a hockey family your aren't a big deal in our town. Life pretty much revolves around our college hockey team at The University of North Dakota. It is really the big attraction around here for Friday and Saturday nights, we just get drunk, yell at the other team from the student section, and have a great time ;)

High school hockey up here and in Minnesota is similar to how high school football is down in states like Texas, as the whole town goes to the games and everything is all about hockey around here.

[dabears10]

I didn't read every post in the thread, but I think the main reason Hockey is not large in the states is because it really doesn't transfer well onto television. A live hockey game can be the most exciting live sporting event, but when on television it loses a lot to the casual sport fan.

[fenikz]

Simple question...

I think the NHL is more exciting to watch in the NBA... especially if it's a close game.

Not enough fighting

[S4L]

I love hockey, but I can think of some of the reasons why others don't:

1) Not widely played. It's a lot easier to understand the rules of the game when you've dabbled in it as a participant. But you even if you're just playing stick hockey, you need at least a ball and a stick for each person.

2) Tough to watch for newcomers on TV. On standard-definition, you basically have to follow the puck by the flow of the players, which is not an easy thing for new watchers. This is unlike football (big brown ball), basketball (big orange ball), or baseball (not a lot going on to keep track of). HD makes the biggest improvement for hockey games than any other sport.

3) Few national games. Unless you have an NHL team locally or access to Versus, the only games you can watch are on NBC, which doesn't air nearly as many games as ESPN did when they had the rights.

4) Lack of ESPN exposure. Like it or not, ESPN and its family of networks is the destination for the majority of Americans to get their sports fill. And since they don't have any coverage of hockey outside of NHL highlights and the occasional bits and pieces from Barry Melrose, mainstream sports fans are not getting a lot of exposure to the sport.

5) "Who are these guys? This one goes hand in hand with #4. 19 players on each team get a decent amount of playing time in each game, and are involved in the action around the puck. That's a lot of players for Joe Mainstream to decipher, especially when many of them are European. And because ESPN doesn't give any attention to hockey, the mainstream doesn't even learn about the stars. I doubt 5% of Americans can tell you who Sidney Crosby is.

6) Low scoring. I love low scoring games for the goaltending and the intensity. But for the same reason that they never picked up soccer, Americans want action and they want it reflected in the score.

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#4 is probably first and foremost, and it's certainly a Catch-22. ESPN stops covering the NHL, so hockey's demand in the mainstream deteriorates. And because it deteriorates, the mainstream decides it wants less and less hockey coverage, so ESPN doesn't give them what they don't want.

I hate it, but it rings pretty true. When TV contracts come up, remember Gary Bettman. You have a lot more to lose in not having ESPN on your side than they do in not having the NHL.

[M.O.T.H.]

That's one thing that urks me about hockey...the fighting, is so damn unnecessary. Always thought it was stupid that the refs would just stand around, letting these dudes pummel eachother. It really is pointless.

[M.O.T.H.]

Another thing I dont like...the NHL pimps Sidney too much...you want more fans? Pimp Ovechkin more.

[Billingsley26]

That's one thing that urks me about hockey...the fighting, is so damn unnecessary. Always thought it was stupid that the refs would just stand around, letting these dudes pummel eachother. It really is pointless.

couldnt disagree more. to me, there is a time and place for fighting, but its a part of the game. there is nothing like a team down 2 goals in the 3rd, and a fight breaks out and the losing team rallies back and gains momentum fter a fight.

sometimes it does get stupid, but for the most part, it think it is a great part of the game.

[M.O.T.H.]

couldnt disagree more. to me, there is a time and place for fighting, but its a part of the game. there is nothing like a team down 2 goals in the 3rd, and a fight breaks out and the losing team rallies back and gains momentum fter a fight.

sometimes it does get stupid, but for the most part, it think it is a great part of the game.

I know the whole momentum thing but, it really is pointless when you think about it. A big hit can do the same for a team as winning a fight can...Do you need to breakout in a fist fight to swing momentum in other sports? I always found it stupid...but, i guess that's just me.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Another thing I dont like...the NHL pimps Sidney too much...you want more fans? Pimp Ovechkin more.

Whys that? Why would you push a Russian who can barely speak english moreso than the best player in the league, who happens to be the youngest captain ever and is living with Mario Lemieux? Crosby is the face of the league and for good reason. He's amazing to see, well spoken, composed, the most marketable player the NHL has ever had (see reebok) and is on the youngest, hottest, most exciting team in hockey.

[Jensen]

That's one thing that urks me about hockey...the fighting, is so damn unnecessary. Always thought it was stupid that the refs would just stand around, letting these dudes pummel eachother. It really is pointless.

Totally disagree.

Fighting always has, and always will be a part of the game. You want to know what the crowds think? They get just as loud for a fight as they do for a goal.

Take this scenario. You're playing hockey, your teammate gets his face smashed into the boards and is down on the ice. Do you stand there or go try to beat the **** out of the guy who knocked him into the boards?

[M.O.T.H.]

Totally disagree.

Fighting always has, and always will be a part of the game. You want to know what the crowds think? They get just as loud for a fight as they do for a goal.

Take this scenario. You're playing hockey, your teammate gets his face smashed into the boards and is down on the ice. Do you stand there or go try to beat the **** out of the guy who knocked him into the boards?

Kind of barbaric really. You see hard fouls in basketball all the time, chop blocks/late hits, intentionally hit batsman...they dont need to bust out in a legalized fist fight. I really dont get it.

[Man_Of_Steel]

couldnt disagree more. to me, there is a time and place for fighting, but its a part of the game. there is nothing like a team down 2 goals in the 3rd, and a fight breaks out and the losing team rallies back and gains momentum fter a fight.

sometimes it does get stupid, but for the most part, it think it is a great part of the game.

I agree and then push to the degree of a milion percent. Fighting in hockey is part of the game, tradition, etc. Those players respect each other so much when fighting, its great for the team as well. Did you not just see captain Jerome Iginla win a fight to rally his team from behind, score the tieing goal in the dying seconds and than score the shootout winner? Fighting in hockey dates back to the beggining, remember that in the 70s and before guys fought with their sticks, swinging them at each other. In minors when a fight happened the shut off the arena lights and a put a spotlight on the two guys fighting, swinging their sticks, etc.

[Billingsley26]

Kind of barbaric really. You see hard fouls in basketball all the time, chop blocks/late hits, intentionally hit batsman...they dont need to bust out in a legalized fist fight. I really dont get it.

but his point is how it builds you up. it gets you going to go harder and harder. not so much to do something cheap or dirty, but to get you just a little more pumped up.

[Jensen]

Kind of barbaric really. You see hard fouls in basketball all the time, chop blocks/late hits, intentionally hit batsman...they dont need to bust out in a legalized fist fight. I really dont get it.

So you just go over to the guy and say "Please don't do that again" or something?

[M.O.T.H.]

Whys that? Why would you push a Russian who can barely speak english moreso than the best player in the league, who happens to be the youngest captain ever and is living with Mario Lemieux? Crosby is the face of the league and for good reason. He's amazing to see, well spoken, composed, the most marketable player the NHL has ever had (see reebok) and is on the youngest, hottest, most exciting team in hockey.

People want to see goals...there isnt a better goal scorer in the league than Ovechkin. If i'm a new hocky fan...that's what i want to see. I could care less about some dude who passes as much as Sid does. That's how I see it...when dealing w/ the new hockey fan...this has been my experience.

[M.O.T.H.]

So you just go over to the guy and say "Please don't do that again" or something?

The same thing happens in other sports and they dont come out swinging. I think it's outdated and really not needed.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3240117

Zednik in stable condition after having surgery on cut neck

[M.O.T.H.]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3240117

Zednik in stable condition after having surgery on cut neck

I saw that earlier today...that is freaking crazy.

[Man_Of_Steel]

People want to see goals...there isnt a better goal scorer in the league than Ovechkin. If i'm a new hocky fan...that's what i want to see. I could care less about some dude who passes as much as Sid does. That's how I see it...when dealing w/ the new hockey fan...this has been my experience.

Please dont tell me what people want to see, hockey is my culture and your dead wrong. Let me ask you a question, who would you say is your favorite player on the Senators (boooo) Alfredson, Heatley, Spezza? Where Im from most people would say Mike Fisher, a role playing, grinder, worker. Back to your point about people want goals not passes like Sid. I for one much prefer to see a guy move the puck around like its his playground and make passes through lanes I didnt know existed. Yeah call me crazy but Id rather see someone who engages me with imaginative and briliant plays goal or no goal than a snipe wrister from the slot. Not everyone of Ovecs goals is like the diving circus one.

[M.O.T.H.]

Your an established hockey fan, that loves hockey. One of the main reasons people dont watch hockey is due to the lack of high scores. I wasnt talking about people that love hockey and watch regularly...I'm talking about people that are new to the sport. They want to see goals. I'm also gearing this toward more the American fan or potential fan, that is.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Your an established hockey fan, that loves hockey. One of the main reasons people dont watch hockey is due to the lack of high scores. I wasnt talking about people that love hockey and watch regularly...I'm talking about people that are new to the sport. They want to see goals. I'm also gearing this toward more the American fan.
That is the same reason most americans hate soccer, not enough scoring....I guess I can understand. But I am a huge hockey fan.

[jballa838]

Whys that? Why would you push a Russian who can barely speak english moreso than the best player in the league, who happens to be the youngest captain ever and is living with Mario Lemieux? Crosby is the face of the league and for good reason. He's amazing to see, well spoken, composed, the most marketable player the NHL has ever had (see reebok) and is on the youngest, hottest, most exciting team in hockey.
You have to admit Olvechkin is a better scorer. Sid has more puck skills and passing, but the nod for me (hardly watches hockey) goes to olvechkin. You are a Penguins fan, so that construes you view, but they give Olvechkin 0 push in the media. Sid is amazing, but people love scoring, hence why D-Wade is more popular than a Chris Paul or a Steve Nash even. America loves scoring, so pushing Olvechkin would only help. Sid is more marketable, but 2 sports stars in most cases is better than one. (Jordan is the true exception)

[jballa838]

That is the same reason most americans hate soccer, not enough scoring....I guess I can understand. But I am a huge hockey fan.
Yeah I agree. Plus its hardly on, and I dont go looking for it. if it had a "night" like a monday night for football when they show a game every week and cycle teams, I would watch it more. I watch the Stanley Cup and I enjoy it, but i need more chances to watch a game than just on a random different day of the week.
This make any sense?

[Man_Of_Steel]

Your an established hockey fan, that loves hockey. One of the main reasons people dont watch hockey is due to the lack of high scores. I wasnt talking about people that love hockey and watch regularly...I'm talking about people that are new to the sport. They want to see goals.

Which I disagreed with. To me the reason hockey hasnt caught on in the states is due to a few reasons, none of which being lack of goals which I feel is an easy scapegoat.

1. Lack of culture

In Canada hockey is the culture. In th US its not, football is, basketball is a way of life for many urban raised people. Hockey is not catching on in the states because of titles like "Americas Game". Its fun to discuss sports, the problem is that no one in the States wants to watch something that has little to no importance to their friends and people around them. Thats why there is such differencial between places. For instance Minisota and Buffalo love hockey, generations are raised into and because so many people watch it its a popular discussion and is easily socialble. In place like Texas its the opposite, if you were a kid growing up in Texas after watching a hockey game you might be like wow that was pretty good, however when you went to discuss it with friends or such you would be met with a wall. That stunts the popularity.

Lack of Importance/Exposure

I have yet to come across a Sports Illustarted, ESPN broadcast, etc that consistantly feeds hockey info. In fact a month ago PTI had a 2 minute thing on hockey, I was excited. This ties into number 1. People want to follow a sociable, important sport. The media oulets in the States dont treat it as such and therefore leaves very little breeding ground for hockey enthusiasts.

[M.O.T.H.]

The best part of soccer is the shoot out, imo...it's really the only scoring going on. I've tried in the past to like it but, I just never could.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Yeah I agree. Plus its hardly on, and I dont go looking for it. if it had a "night" like a monday night for football when they show a game every week and cycle teams, I would watch it more. I watch the Stanley Cup and I enjoy it, but i need more chances to watch a game than just on a random different day of the week.
This make any sense?

Do you guys in the States get Hockey Night in Canada? Saturday Nights. Even if you dont Saturday is when most games are played in the NHL.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

That is the same reason most americans hate soccer, not enough scoring....I guess I can understand. But I am a huge hockey fan.
at least in hockey theres hitting and fights.
In soccer they just kick the ball around for a long time before theres finally a goal.Theres nothing to get excited about from watching soccer.

[jballa838]

Do you guys in the States get Hockey Night in Canada? Saturday Nights. Even if you dont Saturday is when most games are played in the NHL.
I dont think so. I remember ESPN used to use Wednesdays. That was a great idea. But Hockey needs to be on the lesser nights than a Saturday, like a Tuesday for example. Tuesday I have nothing ever planned, yet Saturday's are usually more planned. NBC is a bunch of idiots though. They show every damn Notre Dame game, and don't go out of their way to make the consumer happy.

[WinslowBodden]

Because there isn't a professional team in Cleveland.

[Man_Of_Steel]

at least in hockey theres hitting and fights.
In soccer they just kick the ball around for a long time before theres finally a goal.Theres nothing to get excited about from watching soccer.

A little off topic but have you guys ever seen the Simpsons episode where they show a pro soccer game where the players are passing around in a triangle. The US announcer is bored to death and the Europe announcer is going crazy with excitement. Very funny stuff.

[jballa838]

Which I disagreed with. To me the reason hockey hasnt caught on in the states is due to a few reasons, none of which being lack of goals which I feel is an easy scapegoat.

1. Lack of culture

In Canada hockey is the culture. In th US its not, football is, basketball is a way of life for many urban raised people. Hockey is not catching on in the states because of titles like "Americas Game". Its fun to discuss sports, the problem is that no one in the States wants to watch something that has little to no importance to their friends and people around them. Thats why there is such differencial between places. For instance Minisota and Buffalo love hockey, generations are raised into and because so many people watch it its a popular discussion and is easily socialble. In place like Texas its the opposite, if you were a kid growing up in Texas after watching a hockey game you might be like wow that was pretty good, however when you went to discuss it with friends or such you would be met with a wall. That stunts the popularity.

Lack of Importance/Exposure

I have yet to come across a Sports Illustarted, ESPN broadcast, etc that consistantly feeds hockey info. In fact a month ago PTI had a 2 minute thing on hockey, I was excited. This ties into number 1. People want to follow a sociable, important sport. The media oulets in the States dont treat it as such and therefore leaves very little breeding ground for hockey enthusiasts.
Agreed. It is somewhat a taboo subject, and I use my hockey knowledge (tiny) sparingly, but they are usually good conversation pieces. People that have Ice Skated and touched a hockey stick and messed around before have an appeciation for the moves someone like crosby has, but not really someone casually watching.

[Man_Of_Steel]

I dont think so. I remember ESPN used to use Wednesdays. That was a great idea. But Hockey needs to be on the lesser nights than a Saturday, like a Tuesday for example. Tuesday I have nothing ever planned, yet Saturday's are usually more planned. NBC is a bunch of idiots though. They show every damn Notre Dame game, and don't go out of their way to make the consumer happy.

Hockeys on everyday of the week, just the largest amount of games are played on Saturday.

[Billingsley26]

Please dont tell me what people want to see, hockey is my culture and your dead wrong. Let me ask you a question, who would you say is your favorite player on the Senators (boooo) Alfredson, Heatley, Spezza? Where Im from most people would say Mike Fisher, a role playing, grinder, worker. Back to your point about people want goals not passes like Sid. I for one much prefer to see a guy move the puck around like its his playground and make passes through lanes I didnt know existed. Yeah call me crazy but Id rather see someone who engages me with imaginative and briliant plays goal or no goal than a snipe wrister from the slot. Not everyone of Ovecs goals is like the diving circus one.

i would have to disagree and say that fisher isnt even close tot he skill level of heatley, alfredsson and spezza. by the way, im proud to say that spezze went to my elemnatry school. and i got in a fight with his brother. who i believe was playing with the kingsotn frontenacs.

[M.O.T.H.]

Which I disagreed with. To me the reason hockey hasnt caught on in the states is due to a few reasons, none of which being lack of goals which I feel is an easy scapegoat.

1. Lack of culture

In Canada hockey is the culture. In th US its not, football is, basketball is a way of life for many urban raised people. Hockey is not catching on in the states because of titles like "Americas Game". Its fun to discuss sports, the problem is that no one in the States wants to watch something that has little to no importance to their friends and people around them. Thats why there is such differencial between places. For instance Minisota and Buffalo love hockey, generations are raised into and because so many people watch it its a popular discussion and is easily socialble. In place like Texas its the opposite, if you were a kid growing up in Texas after watching a hockey game you might be like wow that was pretty good, however when you went to discuss it with friends or such you would be met with a wall. That stunts the popularity.

Lack of Importance/Exposure

I have yet to come across a Sports Illustarted, ESPN broadcast, etc that consistantly feeds hockey info. In fact a month ago PTI had a 2 minute thing on hockey, I was excited. This ties into number 1. People want to follow a sociable, important sport. The media oulets in the States dont treat it as such and therefore leaves very little breeding ground for hockey enthusiasts.

There are plenty of reasons it hasnt caught on...but, scoring is very important to it's success. Like Sarf said, this is a big reason why soccer fails in the States as well. Yes, culture has an important role but, it's going to be hard to garner attention w/ low scoring games. The shootout was implicated to add some excitement to the game...more shots on goal/scoring opportunities. People just find it boring...most Americans like and are used to, high scoring games....that's just the way it is.

[Man_Of_Steel]

i would have to disagree and say that fisher isnt even close tot he skill level of heatley, alfredsson and spezza. by the way, im proud to say that spezze went to my elemnatry school. and i got in a fight with his brother. who i believe was playing with the kingsotn frontenacs.

Read closer man. I never said anything about talent I said favorite player on the team.

[jballa838]

Hockeys on everyday of the week, just the largest amount of games are played on Saturday.
I meant to say televised.

[Billingsley26]

Hockeys on everyday of the week, just the largest amount of games are played on Saturday.

in canada that is. i know tsn, sportsnet, the score and cbc are ape crazy about hockey, but i get the best of both worlds, and i can tell you that espn doesnt give two lick about the nhl. they will spend the last 5 minutes going throught the scores of the games that night. (im being sarcastic, but it isnt a lot).

espn really doesnt care. and most us networks for that matter. with the exception of maybe msg.

[M.O.T.H.]

Do you guys in the States get Hockey Night in Canada? Saturday Nights. Even if you dont Saturday is when most games are played in the NHL.

No...but, i'm Rangers fan that lives in jersey so, i have the MSG channel...whenever I feel like watching.

[Billingsley26]

Read closer man. I never said anything about talent I said favorite player on the team.

lol, i know.

[Man_Of_Steel]

There are plenty of reasons it hasnt caught on...but, scoring is very important to it's success. Like Sarf said, this is a big reason why soccer fails in the States as well. Yes, culture has an important role but, it's going to be hard to garner attention w/ low scoring games. The shootout was implicated to add some excitement to the game...more shots on goal/scoring opportunities. People just find it boring...most Americans like and are used to, high scoring games....that's just the way it is.

Baseball, Americas pastime. It isnt by any means a fast paced high scoring game, how does that point hold up here?

[M.O.T.H.]

Baseball, Americas pastime. It isnt by any means a fast paced high scoring game, how does that point hold up here?

Well...I said, there are other things that tie in. One as you said, it's america's past time...it's American made. Of course, it's going to have success here. It's hard to even compare the two sports really.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Well...I said, there are other things that tie in. One as you said, it's america's past time...it's American made. Of course, it's going to have success here. It's hard to even compare the two sports really.

Not really. It ties into my previous post in this thread. Baseball is a sociable sport that people can talk about in mostly every state. Baseballs best ball players (arguably) are coming from the dominican, puerto rico, etc. Its American made but its not american dominated like basketball and football. If baseball were to have originated somewhere else and put into the spot hockey is now trying to push into the american market I guarentee it wouldnt do well. The fact is that because its a sociable established sport in US it will always be popular, hockey not having those values in the States I say once again is its downfall.

EDIT- Just realized it was past 1:30, I gotta get to bed.

[M.O.T.H.]

Hockey used to be popular in the states. It had a firm fan base...but, the game itself didnt have a long lasting appeal....among the next generations. In comparison to other sports in America...it was low scoring and oft-considered, a defensive game and thus, boring....the interest started to die down. If you polled 100 americans, I'm sure the main reason given for not watching/liking hockey would be the lack of scoring....same goes for soccer. Factor in that hockey is dominated by foreign players and you really have a sport that doesnt look too attractive to the American fan.

[TitleTown088]

I'm not much of a NHL fan, but ever since moving to the great white north i have become especially fond of college hockey.

[kwilk103]

trying to go to a pens game in mid march---so hard to get tix, plus theyre expensive; try to go to 1 a year; a few years ago when we sucked, it was easy to get tix

playoff hockey is so much different than the regular season; much more physical

[djp]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MsnrZPma4dM

That's what I'm talking about.

[roughrider30]

No...but, i'm Rangers fan that lives in jersey so, i have the MSG channel...whenever I feel like watching.

I hate you! I have to wait til a game is nationally televised to see a Rangers game :( Stuck out here in North Dakota all we get consistently is Wild games

[Forenci]

Pretty cool thread.

For me personally, hockey is one of the sports that I love to play, but I don't watch it a ton on TV. As some other posters have alluded to, it loses it's appeal being watched on television.

Another thing is, I feel like hockey plays too many games. Kind of like baseball and basketball. I mean, it's fun to watch a game during the regular season for any of those sports, but is it really meaningful outside of rivalry or division games?

To me, that's why football will always be one of the best sports. Every game matters. You can't go on a ten game losing streak and turn it around to get into the playoffs. Although football couldn't play a lot more games, even if they wanted too, as there are just too many injuries.

Another thing is I think people don't feel connected to it like they do baseball, basketball, or football. It's easy for people to pick up a basketball, football, baseball along with maybe a few other pieces of equipment and just go out and play with some friends. Hockey (true ice hockey that is) generally requires a rink, skates, sticks, pucks, etc. And that's all assuming you can find an ice rink that lets you play hockey on it.

Of course, I'm talking mainstream. Obviously there will always be places were hockey is built into the culture, and thus is played a lot more at an amateur level - but in your average American city I don't really think that's the case.

[Bills2083]

Do you guys in the States get Hockey Night in Canada? Saturday Nights. Even if you dont Saturday is when most games are played in the NHL.

I get Hockey Night in Canada, because I live so close to the Canadian border.

[Thunder&Lightning]

NHL is 10X more exciting than NBA. Besides football NHL has the most exciting plays in sports.

[Xiomera]

There is no sport out there that is better to watch live. Hockey is tops.

[wingboy2999]

A little off topic but have you guys ever seen the Simpsons episode where they show a pro soccer game where the players are passing around in a triangle. The US announcer is bored to death and the Europe announcer is going crazy with excitement. Very funny stuff.

HALFBACK PASSES TO CENTER!
CENTER PASSED TO HALFBACK
HALFBACK HOLDS IT.... HOLDS IT.... HOLDS IT!!!!!

[wingboy2999]

When hockey came back and they lost in an OT game in the playoffs, I remembered why hockey can be either absolutely awesome or give you the worst feeling. Even more so then football. Football is build up. In a matter of 5-10 seconds, there can be a scramble in one end and then the game ends in the other.



ugh

[TimDris]

That's one thing that urks me about hockey...the fighting, is so damn unnecessary. Always thought it was stupid that the refs would just stand around, letting these dudes pummel eachother. It really is pointless.

Fighting back before the recent years was true fighting. It wasn't done only for momentum. It was all about protection and grudges. I mean the old Detroit-Colorado rivalries had fights, but they were about revenge and pure hatred for each other. I hate the Cam Jansens that can't skate but go out there to fight for the fans. I understand it is popular, but that type of fighting is a disgrace.

[drowe]

I don't dislike hockey. and i can promise you that if the NHL put a team in Milwaukee, I would be a die hard fan of the team and big fan of the league in general. but, the NHL, in its infinite wisdom, decided cities like San Jose, Miami and Phoenix were more worthy of a team than the wintery city in Wisconsin that happens to have the US Olympic Speed Skating facility in its limits.

[TimDris]

I am real surprised Milwaukee doesn't have a team. Also does anyone live in Seattle? I think that Seattle would be a good city for a team.

[drowe]

I am real surprised Milwaukee doesn't have a team. Also does anyone live in Seattle? I think that Seattle would be a good city for a team.

yeah, it's stupid to me. i think the problem was, when the NHL started expanding like mad in the early and late 90's, Milwaukee was in a funny place for arenas. we had the Bradley Center, which isn't bad, but it isn't great....and all the cities that were willing to build awesome arenas got the nod. plus, to my knowledge the city didn't really make a play for a team.

but yeah, when i'm chosen as NHL commissioner, Milwaukee, Seattle and Portland would get teams relocated from southern cities, and whoever decided that the North Stars should be moved to Dallas would be publically tarred and feathered.

oh, and winnipeg and quebec would get teams back.

[drowe]

but, we do have the AHL Admirals. good enough for now. at least we have a cool logo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/AdmiralsFullBody.PNG

[Bills2083]

Who are the Admirals the farm team of?

[TimDris]

but, we do have the AHL Admirals. good enough for now. at least we have a cool logo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/AdmiralsFullBody.PNG

I want to buy a hat with that logo on it. Now I'm on a search.

[Patriots16-0]

A little off topic but have you guys ever seen the Simpsons episode where they show a pro soccer game where the players are passing around in a triangle. The US announcer is bored to death and the Europe announcer is going crazy with excitement. Very funny stuff.

Soccer is boring. But I need to love it. if not, I almost get arrested.

[drowe]

Who are the Admirals the farm team of?

Nashville. go figure. another ******' city less deserving of a hockey team than Milwaukee

[wingboy2999]

Fighting back before the recent years was true fighting. It wasn't done only for momentum. It was all about protection and grudges. I mean the old Detroit-Colorado rivalries had fights, but they were about revenge and pure hatred for each other. I hate the Cam Jansens that can't skate but go out there to fight for the fans. I understand it is popular, but that type of fighting is a disgrace.

Fighting for momentum is useful.

[GB12]

Nashville. go figure. another ******' city less deserving of a hockey team than Milwaukee
I was hoping that the Predators owner would move them to Milwaukee or start a new team in Milwaukee since he lives here, but he bought the Wild instead. There's the connection. I still don't understand why he wouldn't put a real team here though.

[Jensen]

I don't dislike hockey. and i can promise you that if the NHL put a team in Milwaukee, I would be a die hard fan of the team and big fan of the league in general. but, the NHL, in its infinite wisdom, decided cities like San Jose, Miami and Phoenix were more worthy of a team than the wintery city in Wisconsin that happens to have the US Olympic Speed Skating facility in its limits.

San Jose is always in the top 10 for average attendence every year.

[Man_Of_Steel]

San Jose is always in the top 10 for average attendence every year.

Yea, and consistntly they are ranked top 10 for "experience". San Jose is a great hockey town you chose a pretty brutal example there.

[princefielder28]

I don't dislike hockey. and i can promise you that if the NHL put a team in Milwaukee, I would be a die hard fan of the team and big fan of the league in general. but, the NHL, in its infinite wisdom, decided cities like San Jose, Miami and Phoenix were more worthy of a team than the wintery city in Wisconsin that happens to have the US Olympic Speed Skating facility in its limits.

I would support a team in Wisconsin as well....being at the University of Minnesota has helped me appreciate the game more and become me interested

[wiscbadgerfootball]

I think hockey is unfairly hated.. I don't love it, but I still enjoy watching it.

[Bills2083]

What are some of the worst hockeytowns?
I'm sure Florida is pretty high up there.
Maybe Carolina, and Atlanta?

[drowe]

Yea, and consistntly they are ranked top 10 for "experience". San Jose is a great hockey town you chose a pretty brutal example there.

yup. that was dumb. i apologize. i'll just say all cities in the dirty south don't need ice sports.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

What are some of the worst hockeytowns?
I'm sure Florida is pretty high up there.
Maybe Carolina, and Atlanta?
Nashville, couple years ago when they had a good team, they were having a hard time filling up that areana.

[Xiomera]

Nashville, Miami (FLA Panthers), Atlanta should all lose their teams.

Cities like Milwaukee, Hartford (I know it won't happen), Hamilton, Winnipeg, deserve teams.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

I enjoy hockey more than any other sport including football, I always played hockey because its the most fun sport to play also. Nothing like playing a sport where one second you're all finesse deking people out, then the next somebody cheaps you or your teammate and you're all physical kicking some ass.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

And Baltimore needs a NHL team dammit!!! Hell I'll take a AHL team, and I'll settle for a ECHL team, just bring hockey back to Baltimore dammit!!!

[wingboy2999]

I enjoy hockey more than any other sport including football, I always played hockey because its the most fun sport to play also. Nothing like playing a sport where one second you're all finesse deking people out, then the next somebody cheaps you or your teammate and you're all physical kicking some ass.

Uhhh.... sounds like.... me... and your mom?

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Uhhh.... sounds like.... me... and your mom?

I give you no rep in fact I should neg rep you for that pathetic attempt at a momma joke from you! Disappointed!!

[JJJ888]

I think that Hockey is probably the most exciting sport to watch in person because of the electric atmosphere at games. When you're there in person it's hard not to be enthralled.

PS. I posted in this thread pretty much just because Wingy and ERU did. I need to get back into their good favor after they walked in to breakfast the other day and I was standing there with an arm around their mothers.

[andyjo672]

I have friends from the south that when they watched a hockey game they simply had a hard time following the puck. I guess its just not a natural thing to be able to do, who knows, but I think that has something to do with it. Its hard to pick up, and a lot of times it doesn't look like strategy but more dump the puck in the zone and skate around after it. I love hockey, Minnesota boy, but I can understand some people's frustration/lack of interest.

[Bills2083]

^They dump the puck in and then chase after it, if the defense stands them up at the blue line, or if they want to make a change.

[JJJ888]

I'd like to comment in this thread on Wingy's excellent use of manners in his sig. What a true gentleman.

[wingboy2999]

I'd like to comment in this thread on Wingy's excellent use of manners in his sig. What a true gentleman.

Thank you... thank you.

[andyjo672]

^They dump the puck in and then chase after it, if the defense stands them up at the blue line, or if they want to make a change.

I know that, I was saying to the casual observer it seems like uncontrolled madness.

[JJJ888]

Thank you... thank you.

Take a bow why don't you?

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Take a bow why don't you?

Will you 2 just bang and get it over with!

[Man_Of_Steel]

This thread took a turn for the worse.

[TimDris]

In the first 5 pages there was some really good debate. I enjoyed it.

[Forenci]

Nashville, Miami (FLA Panthers), Atlanta should all lose their teams.

Cities like Milwaukee, Hartford (I know it won't happen), Hamilton, Winnipeg, deserve teams.

Hah, yeah. It was slightly before my time, but the Whalers were pretty big around here if I recall. Still felt like they should have stayed. That was our only professional sports team. It's part of the reason UConn Basketball is so huge here, because it's our only really competitive high level means of local sports entertainment. By local I mean in-state.

Damn it, we deserve a team! New York has three teams (New York/New Jersey, technically) - we should at least get one.

Oh well. At least I get a lot of Ranger games via MSG, as I believe someone else mentioned earlier.

[TimDris]

Actually the Panthers and Lightning have a good fan base. I think they should keep their teams. Nashville and Atlanta should definitely lose theirs though.

[JJJ888]

Will you 2 just bang and get it over with!

I'm being sarcastic, OK?

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Btw I miss the Hartford Whalers, they were one of my favorite teams growing up.

The best uniforms in NHL history as far as I'm concerned.

[JJJ888]

Btw I miss the Hartford Whalers, they were one of my favorite teams growing up.

The best uniforms in NHL history as far as I'm concerned.

*Insert lame comment from Wingy: "I miss your mom!"*

[BaLLiN]

After seeing a guy from the Florida Panthers get his throat cut with a skate, i think you could get some more viewers