Minnesota Vikings Offseason Moves Thread

[Vikes99ej]

Interesting tidbit from StarTribune:

The Tennessean is reporting that Titans defensive end Antwan Odom has canceled his trip to Arizona on Tuesday and instead will visit the Vikings. Odom, who had a career-high eight sacks in 2007, is in Cincinnati today continuing his visit with the Bengals. Here’s the story.

Update: Just got word from Odom’s agent, Richard Rosa, that his client has not canceled his visit to Arizona but rather has “altered” his schedule. This still could be good news for the Vikings. Of course, it won’t matter if Odom gets an offer he can’t refuse from the Bengals

[RollingMoss]

I'm still recovering, had to drink away my sorrows this weekend...

Anyway, would you guys prefer Odom/a 1st round pick of JeffOtah/ReggieSmith/KenPhillips....or a 1st round pick of Harvey/Merling and whatever?

I gotta say I'd prefer the Odom/Otah combination the most, especially with the Madieu signing. I think we'd all agree Harvey/Merling's upside is better than Odom's, but Odom has talent and knows what he's doing (and wasn't this past year his first year as a starter?). And I think we can all agree that Ryan Cook needs to Go; Otah would be nice.

[DHVF]

I'm still recovering, had to drink away my sorrows this weekend...

Anyway, would you guys prefer Odom/a 1st round pick of JeffOtah/ReggieSmith/KenPhillips....or a 1st round pick of Harvey/Merling and whatever?

I gotta say I'd prefer the Odom/Otah combination the most, especially with the Madieu signing. I think we'd all agree Harvey/Merling's upside is better than Odom's, but Odom has talent and knows what he's doing (and wasn't this past year his first year as a starter?). And I think we can all agree that Ryan Cook needs to Go; Otah would be nice.
Yuck, I don't like Otah at all. He seems to play really stiff and upright and much of what I've seen from him simply reminds me of Marcus Johnson. I'd rather go with a guy like Chris Williams or Cherilus.

[crazyisme]

Id take Harvey AND Odom, thats just my opinion. I think both could be good on our dline and we'd rotate in Robison and Edwards as pass rushers.

[DHVF]

Id take Harvey AND Odom, thats just my opinion. I think both could be good on our dline and we'd rotate in Robison and Edwards as pass rushers.
I really don't think that'd b the way I'd want to go, though that really depends on how much we'd b paying Odom. My main reasoning for this is simply that I do infact really like Ray Edwards and think he still has a lot of untapped potential.

[RollingMoss]

I really don't think that'd b the way I'd want to go, though that really depends on how much we'd b paying Odom. My main reasoning for this is simply that I do infact really like Ray Edwards and think he still has a lot of untapped potential.

Concur. We only need one more DEnd, then we gonna platoon Edwards/Robison, let them go head-to-head in competition, let the best take the job, etc...

I like Otah, but Williams is another guy I wouldn't mind. I think OT becomes the 1st round pick if we sign Odom, is basically what I'm saying.

[Vikes99ej]

Yuck, I don't like Otah at all. He seems to play really stiff and upright and much of what I've seen from him simply reminds me of Marcus Johnson. I'd rather go with a guy like Chris Williams or Cherilus.

I'm with you on Williams. He seems like a much better pass-blocker.

[Dr. Gonzo]

As much as I would like Phillips I think if we sign Odom then OT is our pick. I am hoping we go with Williams as he seems to be the better player now and has more potential then Otah. I kind of still want Harvey because I think he is a perfect fit for our defense.

I would still like to see us make a play for Jason Taylor.

[Vikes99ej]

I think we'll be lucky if Williams falls to us. I bet the Panthers and Bears have an interest in him.

[giver17]

hopefully those of us who were hung up on the unrealistic idea of a return from Moss can now officially shut up, because he is reportedly signing a 3 yr deal with the pats

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d807016ab&template=without-video&confirm=true

[crazyisme]

anyone else possibly interested in moving up for Gholston? I know its highly unrealistic and very expensive, but damn that guy is tempting and could bet that elite pass rusher that this team needs....

[Dr. Gonzo]

As much as I would love to no way that happens. It would cost us pretty much our whole draft and some of next years to do it. As great as he looks now every player has the chance to bust and I would rather trade a few spots up or down and keep as many draft picks as we can.

[Crazy_Chris]

I don't really want to sign Odom I think we are better off having Ray Edwards and Brian Robison compete for RDE spot and then drafting Phillip Merling to lock down the LDE spot he could also move inside on passing downs for Fat Pat and be a pass rushing DT.

[The Dynasty]

Odom Signed with the Bengals. Just heard it on NFL total access. Soo where do we go now with the DE?

[Crazy_Chris]

Draft one in round 1 but I would still be interested in bringing in Jevon Kearse as a pass rush specialist for passing downs. I think these line ups at DE would be real nice

1st & 2nd down/ Running downs

RE:Ray Edwards
UT:Kevin Williams
NT:Pat Williams
LE:Phillip Merling

3rd downs/passing downs

RE:Jevon Kearse
UT:Phillip Merling
NT:Kevin Willimas
LE:Brian Robison

[The Dynasty]

Childress interview
March 3rd, 2008 – 4:01 PM by Judd Zulgad

Vikings coach Brad Childress just wrapped up an interview with Chad Hartman and Mark Rosen on KFAN Radio. I’m sure the entire interview will be put up on their website (www.kfan.com) but here are some highlights:

Q. Did the Vikings have any interest in speaking to Randy Moss’ representatives?

A. “I’d probably just leave that untouched. But we turn over all stones and I was watching the bottom line on the crawl on ESPN about he and Daunte going as a package deal. That’s rare. The old cow and the calf deal. That’s back to college recruiting days where you maybe took one guy from a high school that was a good player and another one that wasn’t a good player. But I don’t think there are many of those package deals in the NFL anymore. Randy Moss standing alone is still a pretty dog gone good football player.”

Q. What about Culpepper? You’re looking for a quarterback.

A. “I’m not seeing that one in the stars probably.”

Q. What are you looking for in terms of a replacement for Kelly Holcomb?

A. “We’re still looking at that and, obviously, probably not going to go into camp with two quarterbacks. We’re sifting through the draft and free agency and guys that have the potential to be let go. All with the idea that we want somebody that’s a viable No. 2 or No. 3.” (More confirmation that Tarvaris Jackson is the guy.)

Q. Reports suggest that defensive end Antwan Odom will be at Winter Park on Tuesday. Is that correct? (Remember, Odom has been visiting Cincinnati and could end up signing there.)

A. “We’re talking with a bunch of different people right now. Until a guy ever gets here I’d be remiss — and probably really puts his name on the paper — I’d be remiss in talking about a guy. I know he’s got some trips set up with his wife and we’ll just have to see if that one is in the stars as well.”

Q. How many defensive linemen do you need to add to this roster before you go to Mankato?

A. “Well, you’d have to say a few. You’ll remember we kept 10 last year, which was a high number. I think there’s probably some people that said, ‘Geez, keeping 10 defensive linemen?’ I’d keep 10 offensive linemen if I felt like I had 10 viable guys. I do believe that you’ve got to attempt to take care of those lines. Through this free agency and through the draft we have to address those things. It’s not a clear picture as it stands today but it’s certainly something we’re focused on.”

Q. What can you say to Vikings fans about what has happened with Bryant McKinnie and the law a couple of times now (most recently last month in Miami)?

A. Well, first of all, I don’t like to see our guys’ names in the news other than what’s going on on the football field. One of my favorite admonitions to our team is, ‘It’s hard enough to get judged between those white lines. Why would we ever give anybody a chance to judge us outside of the white lines?’ So, yeah, I have talked to his family, I’ve talked to Bryant on numerous occasions here. The process is playing itself out down in Miami. But I’m not happy that we have to be judged that way as Minnesota Vikings.”

Q. Are you going to wait until the NFL says something or what’s the progression?

A. “A lot of times that’s the way that they ask for you to have it go. There’s not enough to where the league has enough information, nor do I at this point and time.”

Q. Does free-agent defensive end Jevon Kearse still have some football left in him? (Childress was on the Eagles staff when Kearse came to Philly.)

A. “It’s interesting. We’re looking at all those guys. I just sat and watched a reel on Jevon Kearse, just like I did with a bunch of other defensive ends this morning. I know him as a person, he is a good person.”

Q. Did you see enough this morning to have a good feel of where Kearse is at?

A. “I do and I don’t. I wanted to talk to some people. As I always say, your tape is your resume. I just wanted to check with agents, and I have to check with other coaches, etc., to find out some of the unknowns.”

Q. How does Tarvaris Jackson spend his offseason?

A. “He started it today by being in here and seeing the trainer and sitting in and chatting with me a little bit. He got back last night. I think he’s going to have some wisdom teeth out.”

He did mention Jevon so maybe.

[Crazy_Chris]

Well if Jevon can accept the possibilty of being a role player he would be an excellent addition to the Vikings.

[Vikings4ever]

Odom's off the market.

http://sports.excite.com/news/03032008/v6825.html

5 years, 29.5 million, 11.5 guaranteed.

[The_Dude]

Is it just me or does Childress sound like MORE of a douche when you read what he says rather than when you hear what he says???

[swagger]

Odom and LaBoy were grossly overpaid. We desperately need a DE, but I like that we didn't overpay for one of these guys. I'd rather just sign Darrion Scott for cheap.

Right now I like this idea of going with a DE or S in round 1. And then coming out of round 3 with both a pass-catching tight end and a wideout from the 3 of our one 2nd and two 3rd round picks.

[Tobzilla]

I'm hoping we go with:

1st round - Harvey
2nd round - Sam Baker
3rd round - John Carlson

or...

1st round - Chris Williams
2nd round - Quentin Groves
3rd round - John Carlson

[Dr. Gonzo]

Both would be awesome and make me very happy.

[The Dynasty]

Ferguson talks continue
March 3rd, 2008 – 10:54 PM by Judd Zulgad

The agent for receiver Robert Ferguson said Monday night that a “couple of teams” have expressed interest in his client but that he remains in discussions with the Vikings about the free agent returning to Minnesota.

“We’re patient,” said Brian Overstreet, who talked to the Vikings on Monday. “The most important thing for us is for [Ferguson] to be able to get somewhere where it’s a good fit for him. That’s the most important thing so he can do his thing. It’s still our feeling that opportunity could happen with the Vikings.”

Overstreet declined to name the other teams that have expressed interest in Ferguson but did say the receiver could visit another team “in the next few days.”

Ferguson, who was signed by the Vikings late in training camp last year after being released by the Green Bay Packers, finished second on the Vikings with 32 receptions. The Vikings signed free agent Bernard Berrian over the weekend and it’s not certain how big of priority the team will put on retaining Ferguson.

Ferguson expressed a desire to return to Minnesota at the end of the regular season. He was one of nine unrestricted free agents on the Vikings roster. Here’s the list:

Mike Doss, safety, unsigned

Spencer Johnson, defensive tackle, signed with Buffalo

Mewelde Moore, running back, signed with Pittsburgh

Tony Richardson, fullback, unsigned (Jets and Rams interested)

Darrion Scott, defensive lineman, unsigned

Dontarrious Thomas, linebacker, signed with San Francisco

Tank Williams, safety, unsigned

Ronyell Whitaker, cornerback, unsigned


Kearse in purple?
March 3rd, 2008 – 8:55 PM by Judd Zulgad

Well everyone on this blog certainly seems to be jumping on the Jevon Kearse bandwagon. It’s hard to blame Vikings fans considering what remains on the market when it comes to defensive ends. But keep in mind, Kearse is 31 years old and has plenty of miles on his body. Kearse sprained several ligaments in his left knee in Week 2 of the 2006 season and hasn’t been the same since.

That being said, he still might be worth a gamble — provided it’s at a reasonable price.

Coach Brad Childress, who is familiar with Kearse from their days together with the Eagles, certainly didn’t shut the door on signing the veteran during an interview today on KFAN Radio. And there is a good chance the Vikings got a sales pitch on Kearse last weekend.

That would have come from agent Drew Rosenhaus, who also represents Bernard Berrian. You remember, the receiver who just got $16 million in guaranteed cash from the Vikings.

Also, here are the bios for Florida’s Derrick Harvey and Clemson’s Phillip Merling. One of the two could be headed this way in the draft.

Kearse is Possible...I really dont know what to think about Ferguson..I rather have Jabar.

[crazyisme]

yah, odom was GREATLY overpaid, very glad he didnt leave Cinci....

im really hoping odom falls to us, both Cinci and St. Louis paid big bucks to DE's now....hopefully that means the DE's fall and Harvey is there at 17....hes been the best option for us at 17 since day 1, so keep your fingers crossed i guess

[Vikes99ej]

I'm starting to look at Groves, too, in case Harvey is gone at 17. I will take Groves over Merling and Campbell.

[Crazy_Chris]

what Groves over Merling? No thanks I'll take Merling all day over Groves.

[Crazy_Chris]

Kearse is Possible...I really dont know what to think about Ferguson..I rather have Jabar.

I would probably rather have jabar too but either one is fine they will just be the #4 or #5 WR.

[litlharsh]

I hope we get one of the ridiculous number of WR prospects in the draft to be our 4/5. Kearse...I think I'd like it.

[Vikes99ej]

what Groves over Merling? No thanks I'll take Merling all day over Groves.

Meh, just how I feel. Maybe I'm putting too much into speed, but we really need someone who relies on it.

[Crazy_Chris]

Speed is good but it's not the only thing to being a good pass rusher I was a bit weary of Merling for a while but after I read scotts scouting report of him I'm sold I think he is going to be a gem.

Strengths:
Terrific size and bulk with long arms...Great quickness...Has a non-stop motor...Is very strong and powerful...Plays with a nasty demeanor...Excellent range and he is relentless in pursuit...Natural pass rusher with a variety of moves...Can take on multiple blockers and shed the double team...Does a nice job versus the run...Has good instincts & awareness...Reliable tackler...Solid technician...Does a nice job in space...Extremely versatile...Can play a number of positions in different schemes.

Weaknesses:
May lack elite athleticism...Won't scare anyone off the edge...Does not have great timed speed and isn't real explosive...Might be a bit of a 'tweener...He can be too aggressive at times...Will get pushed back...Needs to work on his hand use...Has to work on keeping his shoulders square...Intelligence could be an issue with him.

Notes:
Uncle Chris Rumph was his position coach at Clemson...He prepped at Fork Union Military Academy...Has experience at both defensive end and defensive tackle...He can project to end or tackle in a 43 defense or end in a 34 scheme...Very different player from Gaines Adams but is a better all-around player...Not real flashy but is a very good prospect who will be in high demand...Awfully similar to Trevor Pryce

Compare that to Groves

Strengths:
Excellent athleticism and agility...Very good timed speed and quickness...Explosive with a burst to close...Terrific range and does a nice job in pursuit...Good strength and decent power...Reliable tackler...Offers some versatility...Was real productive.

Weaknesses:
Extremely inconsistent and lacks a great motor...Undersized and doesn't have the ideal bulk that you look for..Isn't stout at the point...Marginal instincts, awareness and recognition...Limited pass rush repertoire...Too aggressive at times...Slow off the line...Has trouble shedding blocks...Poor technique..A questionable work ethic.

Notes:
Played some outside linebacker as a senior and that may be his home at the next level...Auburn's all-time sack leader...A better pro prospect than Reggie Torbor or Stanley McClover were...Is more of an athlete than a football player and could get overdrafted...His best fit might come in a 3-4 scheme..A classic "Workout Warrior".

[Dr. Gonzo]

I do think Merling will turn out to be very good but he is exactly the kind of end we don't need. Our biggest need is help with pass rush and a great DE coming off the end. That happens to be Merling's weakness. We have more then enough Run Stop ability with the Williams and there is n point taking Merling and adding to that. Merling may end up as a better player then Groves all around but Groves will be the better pass rusher and that is what we need. I still am going to hold out hope that Harvey falls to us, I am just saying I will be very dissapointed if we pick Harvey.

[Crazy_Chris]

I do think Merling will turn out to be very good but he is exactly the kind of end we don't need. Our biggest need is help with pass rush and a great DE coming off the end. That happens to be Merling's weakness. We have more then enough Run Stop ability with the Williams and there is n point taking Merling and adding to that. Merling may end up as a better player then Groves all around but Groves will be the better pass rusher and that is what we need. I still am going to hold out hope that Harvey falls to us, I am just saying I will be very dissapointed if we pick Harvey.

I think you are under rating his pass rush ability it isn't his strength but I wouldn't say it's his weakness either.

Strengths:
Terrific size and bulk with long arms...Great quickness...Has a non-stop motor...Is very strong and powerful...Plays with a nasty demeanor...Excellent range and he is relentless in pursuit...Natural pass rusher with a variety of moves...Can take on multiple blockers and shed the double team...Does a nice job versus the run...Has good instincts & awareness...Reliable tackler...Solid technician...Does a nice job in space...Extremely versatile...Can play a number of positions in different schemes.

All points him being pretty good Pass rusher

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think what the Vikings need is a burst off the edge. Merling won't provide that. Personally I wouldn't take Merling in the first. I would either take Harvey or Chris Williams if they are there and if not trade down.

[Crazy_Chris]

The Vikings don't just need a Burst off the Edge though, thanks to the unfortunate situation with Udeze. The Vikings now need the best DE available wether he is a speed rusher like Harvey or an All around good DE like Merling.

If we would have landed Justin Smith then all we would need to look for is another Edge Rusher.

Edit: Our best option to take would be to sign a situational Edge Rusher(Jevon Kearse) and then draft Phillip Merling.

[Dr. Gonzo]

We already have two good young all around DE's, we don't need any more. Merling will be very good but will take time to develop. Harvey will start off as a great pass rusher, which is what we need. Harvey will need time to develop as an all around DE but we can afford to wait for that. What we need is a great pass rusher, Harvey gives us that now and Merling will give us that in a couple years.

[Crazy_Chris]

It's the other way around really we have good young talent for RDE/Edge rusher. You are too stuck on speed off the Edge we need the Best DE period. Harvey would good if there at #17(doubt it) but if he's not I don't see how we could pass on Merling.

[Dr. Gonzo]

From what I have seen of these players my big board of people who could be there:

Harvey
Williams
Phillips
Merling

If Harvey is gone I think a trade down is our best option.

[The Dynasty]

Vikings | Team reportedly interested in Pope
Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:08:05 -0800

Kevin Seifert and Judd Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings are reportedly interested in free-agent LB Derrick Pope (Dolphins).


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Vikings | Sartz recently worked out for team
Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:07:33 -0800

Kevin Seifert and Judd Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports street free-agent LB Dallas Sartz (Redskins) recently worked out for the Minnesota Vikings.


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Vikings | Team discussing preliminary contract figures with Hicks
Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:06:37 -0800

Kevin Seifert and Judd Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings are discussing preliminary contract figures with free-agent RB Maurice Hicks (49ers).

I hope we do sign Hicks to be our returner and 3rd String RB. Also I do like us looking at a LB.

[chug o nomics]

So we signed Hicks. He's going to be a good special teams player.

[Crazy_Chris]

From what I have seen of these players my big board of people who could be there:

Harvey
Williams
Phillips
Merling

If Harvey is gone I think a trade down is our best option.

If we trade down we won't be able to get Chris Williams or Phillip Merling. Might have a shot at Phillips but we don't really need him any more with Madieu signed to be the FS.

My big board for round 1:
1.Chris Long
2.Jake Long
3.Vernon Gholston
4.Derrick Harvey
5.Phillip Merling
6.Chris Williams
7.Kentwan Balmer
8.Brian Brohm
9.Jeff Otah
10.Branden Albert
*Trade down for ones listed below*
11.Calais Campbell
12.Gosder Cherilus
13.Lawrence Jackson
14.Quentin Groves

[The Dynasty]

If Kearse doesn't sign with the Titans Wednesday, he will pay a visit to Minnesota on Thursday. The Vikings also need a defensive end; they wanted Odom before he signed with the Bengals and wanted former Bengal Justin Smith before he signed with the 49ers

I hope he makes it too us on thursday. I think he could help us out in the pass rush if he is healthy. Even if they plan on having him only play 3rd down...we should sign him. We need a DE badly at the moment and it will be a help no matter what.

[Crazy_Chris]

Yea I would love to get Kearse to add some depth and some good pass rush ability. Then add one more DE through the Draft.

[Vikes99ej]

That's all I want Kearse for. Depth.

[Vikings4ever]

Javon Walker's off the market, and got a HUGE contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3277219

6 years, 55 million, 16 guaranteed.

[The Dynasty]

Javon Walker's off the market, and got a HUGE contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3277219

6 years, 55 million, 16 guaranteed.

Thats A LOT of Money for a guy who is currently Injured. Wow. At least when he is healthy it gives JR a Good Receiver. I didnt expect us to go after him, since we signed Berrian and already have Rice.

[Crazy_Chris]

Yea well I'm glad we didn't end up giving Javon that kind of money damn!

[Crazy_Chris]

Well Jevon Kearse signed with the Titans theres not really much left on the market now.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Tennessee Titans agreed to terms with defensive end Jevon Kearse on Thursday.

The 31-year-old was the Defensive Rookie of the Year after Tennessee made him the 16th overall pick in the 1999 draft.

He had 47.5 sacks with the Titans and made three Pro Bowl teams, but left in 2004 for a free-agent deal with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Kearse never achieved the success with the Eagles that he did in Tennessee, totaling just 22 sacks and suffering a knee injury that cost him much of the 2006 season.

He was benched toward the end of the 2007 season and released as a salary cap cut last week.

- http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/16351951.html

[Dr. Gonzo]

Can everyone here saw Harvey?

[Crazy_Chris]

I think we will have to move up to get Harvey. I can see all of Cincinatti, Buffalo, Carolina, Detroit, and Arizona possibly taking him(some more than others of course). I hope they all pass on him though, but I wouldn't be at all shocked if any of them took him before us.

[Dr. Gonzo]

So who do you propose we take? I think there is about a 50/50 shot he falls.

[Crazy_Chris]

I'm actually starting to warm up to the idea of sending one of our 3rd round picks and our first to Buffalo so we can move up and make sure we get Harvey.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I would be all for that. He is the perfect fit for our defense. I think he can come in and play every play and make our pas rush credible.

[Crazy_Chris]

But that of course would all depend on who is still available at #11 for Buffalo. I don't think they would want to trade if say Keith Rivers was still there.

[Vikes99ej]

I'd send one of our thirds to Buffalo , but then knowing our luck, the Bengals would take Harvey.

[Crazy_Chris]

I think the Begnals are one of the less likely teams to take him now that they signed Odom but they still could and it wouldn't surprise me.

[fondoffilm]

Yes, we now officially MUST do everything we can to get Derrick Harvey. Gotta do something to address DE.

[vikes_28]

yeah ill agree with that...we need a DE badly. Harvey would be a good fit, and he would be worth giving up our first and third to move up to #11

[chug o nomics]

Was there any information about how much Hicks was paid?

[giver17]

there is talk now on nfl.com that fitz still may get traded, but now they are talking about the eagles. I swear to the foobtall gods themsefles, if we missed out on getting fitz for berrian, I will f*cking kill someone!

[The Dynasty]

PFT.com

PANTHERS SHOPPING PEPPERS?

We've received several e-mails over the past couple of days regarding rumors that the Carolina Panthers are poised to trade defensive end Julius Peppers.

And so we've actually engaged in a little "real" journalism -- and in some of our good, old-fashioned rumor mongering.

There are rumors in league circles that the Panthers are quietly shopping Peppers. He has a big cap number in 2008, and there's a school of thought that the Panthers aren't willing to pay him what it would take to keep him over the long haul, especially since the price tag could go up if/when the Ravens sign Terrell Suggs to a long-term deal.

But it takes two to do the trade tango, and we've yet to confirm that any of the other 31 teams have been approached about acquiring the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft.

Peppers had only 2.5 sacks last season, down from 13.0 the year before. He had been expected to be in line for a Dwight Freeney-style deal with $30 million guaranteed and a $12 million per year average.

Agent Carl Carey tells PFT that he and Peppers have heard the rumors, but that they have no merit.

"We fully expect that Julius Peppers will be a Carolina Panther this football season," Carey said.

At this point, there's no concrete reason to believe otherwise. But unless and until Peppers signs a new contract with the Panthers, the trade whispers will continue.

If true we should try. He would fill a major need for us and would help us move to the next level. It Just depends on How much they want for him. Maybe 1st and 3rd who knows.

[The_Dude]

I saw that, too.

With all the FA DEs getting signed elsewhere, we HAVE to go after Peppers or Taylor....

[giver17]

I saw that, too.

With all the FA DEs getting signed elsewhere, we HAVE to go after Peppers or Taylor....

taylor is not leaving miami, but peppers would be amazing

[Crazy_Chris]

there is talk now on nfl.com that fitz still may get traded, but now they are talking about the eagles. I swear to the foobtall gods themsefles, if we missed out on getting fitz for berrian, I will f*cking kill someone!

They could still trade for him, Larry Fitzgerald, Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, Bobby Wade, and Andraue Allison. That would be one hell of a WR corp.

taylor is not leaving miami, but peppers would be amazing

I'd say there is a better chance that Jason Taylor will be leaving Miami than Julius Peppers leaving Carolina. But either would a be a huge help, could you imagine Julius Peppers or Jason Taylor next to the williams wrecking crew they would be damn near unstoppable.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I know this would never happen but how awesome would it be if we traded a 1st and a 3rd for Fitz and a 2nd for Taylor. I know that is mortaging our future to win now but I honestly believe that with Fitz and Taylor we become Superbowl contenders.

I have always thought that T Jack will develop for us but with the improvements we have made to the team I am getting kind of worried about starting him. I have always been a suporter but now that I think we are contenders I am not feeling good about putting the fate of the season on our shoulders. I mean if he plays good and develops like think he will we have a very good shot but if he doesn't thats just another year closer to retirement for some of our vets. The problem is I don't see a solution. There are no quaterbacks available to trade for that I think give us a better shot then Jackson.

I just find it funny that before FA I was optimistic that we would have a good year and now I am worried because I think we have a shot at the Superbowl but it all hinges on QB play. I do know that this is the most excited I have been for the team in a while. If we can just get Fitzgerald now I will be the happiest fan in the world.

[The Dynasty]

I know this would never happen but how awesome would it be if we traded a 1st and a 3rd for Fitz and a 2nd for Taylor. I know that is mortaging our future to win now but I honestly believe that with Fitz and Taylor we become Superbowl contenders.

I dont think we could get Fitz for a 1st and 3rd It might take 1st and 2nd or something. He is top 5 or 10 WR in the League. With Taylor it might take 2nd and 4th. So It would be alot to give up for them.

But I really hope the Vikings try and discuss trade for Peppers.

[Dr. Gonzo]

It is an unrealistic thought be if we get any of those three I will be a happy man. I am againts drafting a WR because we just don't have the time to develop one but I do think trading for Fitz and sticking Rice and the slot would give us a top 5 receiver group and I would not pass that up. I would do 1st and 2nd in a second.

[Vikes99ej]

We're not getting Peppers and we're not getting Larry Fitzgerald. We're close enough the way it is; we just need a few good picks in the draft.

[giver17]

[QUOTE=Dr. Gonzo;940527]I know this would never happen but how awesome would it be if we traded a 1st and a 3rd for Fitz and a 2nd for Taylor. I know that is mortaging our future to win now but I honestly believe that with Fitz and Taylor we become Superbowl contenders.[quote]

I agree 100% they would completely be worth those draft choices, because they would give us instant production, and boost out talent pool. honestly, if we had fitz and/or taylor/peppers on our team we would be contenders. how would you stop AD+Fitz?! it would be impossible

[chug o nomics]

My god, I would definitely mortgage our future for a top 5 WR who is still young. The thought of getting a top 5 DE leaving his prime for a 2nd rounder kind of sucks, but we'd be instant contenders.

[The Dynasty]

I was thinking earlier today and this is a What if Question.

What if In the Draft, we come to our pick and Harvey, Merling, Chris Williams and Phillips are all gone?

Do we take WR or do we take Otah or do we take CB?

Ive been just seeing alot of Mocks having Harvey gone before us so its just a thought.

[Dr. Gonzo]

That's a tough one. There is no way we take a WR, that's for sure. If all of those guys are taken that means somebody is dropping so I think we go BPA. Either that or because somebody has dropped we try to trade down, which is what I would rather do.

[Vikes99ej]

My god, I would definitely mortgage our future for a top 5 WR who is still young. The thought of getting a top 5 DE leaving his prime for a 2nd rounder kind of sucks, but we'd be instant contenders.

I love Larry Fitzgerald, but I'd much rather see what we can do with Berrian, Rice, Wade, and our draft picks.

[The Dynasty]

Ya I was thinking about Fitz today. The Eagles have more power to get him than we would have. We would have probably give a 1st and player or 1st and 3rd but the Eagles could just do 1st and Lito and that would bring Fitz to Philly...So I would have loved to see Fitz in the Dome but I think if we were serious about Fitz we would have gotten him already.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I love Larry Fitzgerald, but I'd much rather see what we can do with Berrian, Rice, Wade, and our draft picks.

Really? Larry Fitz is already top 5 WR and he isn't even in his prime. Just imagine Fitz and Berrian at either side and Rice at slot. Sure I would love to have our first and it would be great if we could get Harvey but if you have the chance to trade for a guy like Fitz you do it. The fact is Fitzgerald is a proven commodity, unlike everybody in the draft. Will the trade every happen, I am 99.9 percent sure it won't but there is no way if you have the chance to trade a 1st and a 3rd for a superstar who is so young you don't do it.

[Vikes99ej]

I know Fitzgerald is a proven commodity, I'm just worried it might be a waste when we have an unproven commodity at quarterback.

[Dr. Gonzo]

We can't just stop improving our receiving corp because we have an umproven QB. So do you think it was a waste signing Berrian? If were any team in the league I would make a play for Fitz.

[Vikes99ej]

We can't just stop improving our receiving corp because we have an umproven QB. So do you think it was a waste signing Berrian? If were any team in the league I would make a play for Fitz.

No, I don't think it was an unwise move signing Berrian. It should give Tarvaris a reliable target. But I would want to see what else he can do, and if he's developed anymore before we gave up three draft picks for Fitzgerald, who is also going to demand a big contract from us. If Fitzgerald was in our offense last year I can guarantee you he wouldn't have had more than 800 yards, and we'd still be bitching about Tarvaris throwing balls at his feet and over his head.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I can understand that but I am not about to not go after an elite receiver because Jackson won't take advantage. I have a feeling Jackson will develop but this season better be his last chance. I think adding Fitz can only help his progression and if it doesn't at least we would have a group of wide receivers that could attract a top FA QB or work well with whoever we bring in next. But again this is all a what if scenario.

[giver17]

If Fitzgerald was in our offense last year I can guarantee you he wouldn't have had more than 800 yards, and we'd still be bitching about Tarvaris throwing balls at his feet and over his head.

naw, I disagree. i really think having someone like that around would do wonders for jackson. and even if it didn't, and jackson simply was not our guy after this year, then who ever we brought in would have an elite team around him from the second he stepped onto the field, and we would be an instant competitor. i really think we are a few key guys away from making a serious run

[Vikes99ej]

We could have Jerry Rice and Cris Carter, but it won't matter unless Tarvaris does his part in improving his decision-making and composure in the pocket. Tarvaris is not going to automatically improve just because we bring these "weapons" in.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yes but I am not about to give up because we have Tarvaris. If we give him the weapons and he still sucks then we give up.

[The Dynasty]

Look. We are not getting Fitz. We signed Berrian to be our Number 1. You dont pay 42 Million for a Number 2.

[Dr. Gonzo]

So you don't want Fitz. I know we aren't getting him but to say that is ridiculous.

[bearsfan_51]

He's not saying he doesn't want him, whether he wants him or not is pointless because you aren't going to get him. That's the downside of paying Berrian like a #1, you're locked into him as your #1.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The problem with what you are saying is that we have the money to pay Fitzgeral. Whether we get him or not doesn't change the fact that we have enough cap room to pay them both and still have rrom left over.

[Geo]

Well ... the Vikes might be locked into having paid for a #1 in Berrian. I'd phrase it like that, maybe.

Could they sign another big-money receiver? I don't know their cap situation, but I would guess they have the cap space to make it happen. But a contract for Fitzgerald? That might be too much, I imagine. I don't know though.

If I were the Vikings, I'd focus on tight end personally. Get a top-notch guy there to be a young quarterback's best friend.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I agree with the getting a TE. Would I like love having Fitz on the team? Yes. Will it happen? Almost certainly no. I do think it is crazy to have people say they wouldn't want him though.

[RollingMoss]

Yes.....Let's trade a 1st and 3rd pick for Fitz And Then sign him to a big dollar deal, Yes....This is an idea that should definately be getting traction and discussion, yes, no reason to cite anyone for trolling with this idea, because it makes sense. Especially after signing Berrian. Trade a 1st and 3rd for another receiver who wants top4 reciever money, yes, I adore this idea fellas.

Wait, I meant the exact opposite.


I do like the idea of going after Taylor or Peppers though, and then we can focus on the offensive line and secondary w/ whatever picks we'd have left.


haha, trade a 1st and 3rd for Fitz, and I'm the unrealistic dumb poster

[Dr. Gonzo]

I do not understand you at all. There was zero chance Moss was coming here and you called us all idiots when we told you that. Have I called anyone an idiot for saying its not going to happen? No. I have actually agreed with them and just wondered why nobody would want Fitzgerald.

If you have nothingto contribute but whining, which is all that I have seen from you, then just get the hell out of this forum. I am sure NFLSpot will welcome your brilliant posts with open arms. You and SP would do the Vikings fans proud over there.

[RollingMoss]

I do not understand you at all. There was zero chance Moss was coming here and you called us all idiots when we told you that. Have I called anyone an idiot for saying its not going to happen? No. I have actually agreed with them and just wondered why nobody would want Fitzgerald.

If you have nothingto contribute but whining, which is all that I have seen from you, then just get the hell out of this forum. I am sure NFLSpot will welcome your brilliant posts with open arms. You and SP would do the Vikings fans proud over there.

I never called anyone an idiot; I simply said I didn't understand why people were pining for Berrian when Moss was also a free agent.

Also, I'm not whining now, nor then; I'm trying to say trading a 1st and 3rd for Fitz And Then signing him to what will definately be a big money contract doesn't make a whole lot of sense - especially after committing so much money to Berrian. Like....This is so much more of a pipedream than Moss. He was a free agent; Fitz is a signed player looking for big money - it would cost us just as much cap space as Moss AND picks; with the glaring needs on the dline, secondary, and oline, why commit all of those resources to a receiver - especially with the question mark that is Tarvaris and after already committing to Berrian???

Never said I was brilliant, never called anyone dumb, and loved your response. Thanks.

[Dr. Gonzo]

What you fail to see and what many people told you is that there was zero chance we were getting Moss. ZERO. Our staff didn't want him here, he didn't want to come here, and NE was almost guaranteed to resign him. You even posted that article about him wantint to re-unite with Culpepper and claimed he said he wanted to come to Minny when he never said anything even close to that. I don't know why you still don't get it.

[RollingMoss]

What you fail to see and what many people told you is that there was zero chance we were getting Moss. ZERO. Our staff didn't want him here, he didn't want to come here, and NE was almost guaranteed to resign him. You even posted that article about him wantint to re-unite with Culpepper and claimed he said he wanted to come to Minny when he never said anything even close to that. I don't know why you still don't get it.

Get what? I'm not talking about that right now; you are. You don't like reading my posts, cool, I get it. Re-read my posts; I knew how unrealistic it was and ripped on myself, but it made/makes a lot more sense than 42/16 for Berrian. I can have that opinion, you can disagree. I never said you or anyone else was an idiot for having that opinion; I just Disagreed. Can I do that?

Anyway, what I'm talking about now is trading a 1st and 3rd for Fitz. I think that's a bad idea. That was the point of my post, that's all I was trying to say.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Okay. Explain why the 1st and 3rd for Fitz is a bad idea. Is it because he isn't talented enough?

[RollingMoss]

Okay. Explain why the 1st and 3rd for Berrian is a bad idea. Is it because he isn't talented enough?

1st and 3rd for Berrian?

I'm gonna assume you meant Fitz.

Well, it's a bad idea because we'd be giving up two picks in the first 3 rounds - that's where Starters are found. And we need help in the secondary still, and on the oline, and we all know the help we need at DE. So - why would we give up two picks in the first 3 rounds for a receiver who will be a free agent after this year? We could sign him, yes, but then we'd have Fitz for big money and Berrian for big money, which would take away money from other places that need the help (oline, dline, secondary). And with Tarvaris being a question mark, and with the Berrian acquistion, why throw more money into the receiving corp with the other problem areas still in need?

This has nothing to do with Fitz's talent. Talentwise he's top 5, probably. He's great - but is he worth all that money and those picks with the moves we've already made and still need to make? I'd say no.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I did mean Fitz. I guess will we just have to disagree. I think because he is a top 5 talent and everyone in the draft is unporven its a no brainer to me. The only guy I can see us taking in the first that is going to make me really happy is Harvey and there is a good chance he won't even be there so I wouldn't mind giving up a first. If we do that I would go either Jackson in the second or if he isn't there the best O-Line available and Ellis in the third.

As far as secondary I think we are okay with the signing of Williams. Before we signed him I was posting all the time about wanting Phillips with our first but now we can afford to take a S in rounds 4-5 and groom him to replace Sharper. I think we are set at CB so Idon't see that as a need. I think right now we need to look at drafting an OT and DE with two of our first day picks and trading two picks to get Fitz still leaves two left to get that done.

[RollingMoss]

If we give up a first, it should be for Peppers and only Peppers, and I'd think about that for awhile before doing it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

You would think about not doing Peppers for a 1st? I think what you are failing to see is that we pick 17 and in no way are players guaranteed to turn out good. Sure Peppers had a down year but he addresses our biggest need and him with the Williams would be just nasty. Pepper>Harvey and I love Harvey. I think you are overvalueing our picks just a little to much, but everyone does that every year.

[RollingMoss]

You would think about not doing Peppers for a 1st? I think what you are failing to see is that we pick 17 and in no way are players guaranteed to turn out good. Sure Peppers had a down year but he addresses our biggest need and him with the Williams would be just nasty. Pepper>Harvey and I love Harvey. I think you are overvalueing our picks just a little to much, but everyone does that every year.

I think Peppers is the most freakish talent the DEnd position's ever seen; I also think he's one of the worst in the game at taking plays/games off. I love the guy, but I guess I question his desire. If we got him for a firstrounder, I'd be ecstatic, but I'd also be worried that it would end up being a SeanGilbert like mistake. And it's a money thing again; the 17pick will definately be cheaper than Peppers.

[Dr. Gonzo]

It would be cheaper but we have to take chances if we want to win. Plus we have the cap space to do it. The reward is much greater then the risk in his case and he is teh kind of guy that can put us over the edge and really make us contenders.

[Vikes99ej]

I'd rather trade for Shockey than Fitzgerald, but that's still not happening. I think we can find a nice, big player in the draft. LOADED at TE.

[bearsfan_51]

I'd rather trade for Shockey than Fitzgerald, but that's still not happening. I think we can find a nice, big player in the draft. LOADED at TE.
Eh....it's pretty decent at guys that look good in shorts. Even still there isn't anyone close to a Greg Olsen or a Vernon Davis. In terms of guys that can actually play football I'm even more skeptical.

[the_legend_killer]

I'd rather not have Shockey, he's rather overrated IMO.

[Geo]

Eh....it's pretty decent at guys that look good in shorts. Even still there isn't anyone close to a Greg Olsen or a Vernon Davis. In terms of guys that can actually play football I'm even more skeptical.
Olsen would be perfect. I like him so much, I'm jealous of the Bears that they have him. I really think the sky is the limit for that kid. He's going to hurt the Vikings, Packers, and Lions for many years to come.

But in terms of this year's Draft, for the Vikings, I'd go for John Carlson in the 2nd round. Is Childress going to want a hybrid WR (like Dallas Clark) in Fred Davis or Dustin Keller? I think they'd want to go with Carlson as he can block for AD and Taylor, bu he'll add a bunch to the receiving game.

Childress probably wants to sign LJ Smith from the Eagles next offseason. LOL, yuck. He's not anything special.

[giver17]

I never called anyone an idiot; I simply said I didn't understand why people were pining for Berrian when Moss was also a free agent.

first, the reason we were hoping for berrian was because he was the best player that we actually had a chance at getting, because anyone who is not boarderline ******** (i.e. I am not not (double negative) referring to to anyone who is obsessed with try to get moss back) then you would know that there was a zero percent chance the pats were letting him go. it didn't take a brain surgeon to see that.

second, at the time we signed berrian, there wasn't the same hype about fitz being traded. at least none that was to be taken seriously. of course, looking back at the situation - if fitz does get traded - we messed up on missing out on him.

finally, I think I speak for most of the posters here when I say this, but you are really annoying.

[RollingMoss]

first, the reason we were hoping for berrian was because he was the best player that we actually had a chance at getting, because anyone who is not boarderline ******** (i.e. I am not not (double negative) referring to to anyone who is obsessed with try to get moss back) then you would know that there was a zero percent chance the pats were letting him go. it didn't take a brain surgeon to see that.

second, at the time we signed berrian, there wasn't the same hype about fitz being traded. at least none that was to be taken seriously. of course, looking back at the situation - if fitz does get traded - we messed up on missing out on him.

finally, I think I speak for most of the posters here when I say this, but you are really annoying.


Like.....Why even say that last sentence, why? Why bring up Moss? I didn't. This is you trying to assign some characteristic to me that isn't there; when Moss was a free agent, I wanted us to offer him a contract. Is that really that "annoying"? Btw, I haven't mentioned it since he signed with New England, and you know, Moved on. But apparently it's annoying to move on.

Also, Since You brought up Moss, I would like you to look up the terms "Franchising" and "Free Agent", since you apparently don't realize that what NE did was the Exact Opposite of making sure he'd stay with them. And then realize that what Philly did - make an offer - was all I said we should do. If I was obsessed, I would've continued talking about it; I'm Not. You are.

Once again, and repeating what I wrote already: Trading a 1st and 3rd for Fitz AND THEN signing him to big money would be a Bad Move, IMO. If you think trading our 1st round and 3rd round pick for Fitz (after signing Berrian to 42/16) is a more sensible/realistic idea than offering a contract to Moss (before signing Berrian to 42/16), and so much more realistic that you tried to call me out, hey, that's you. Never singled you out, never replied to your posts with "I think I speak for all the posters and you're annoying", and never said for you to "officially shut up". All I said was something I've already had to explain up there; why you brought this up again is something I don't understand.

Calling someone on the internet who disagrees with you annoying is annoying.

[Crazy_Chris]

I was thinking earlier today and this is a What if Question.

What if In the Draft, we come to our pick and Harvey, Merling, Chris Williams and Phillips are all gone?

Do we take WR or do we take Otah or do we take CB?

Ive been just seeing alot of Mocks having Harvey gone before us so its just a thought.

No CB's, if that happens then go Branden Albert, Jeff Otah, or Kentwan Balmer. If they are gone too trade down and pick up Gosder Cherilus or another DE like Calais Campbell,Quentin Groves, or Lawrence Jackson.

[russie]

i'm sure this wont be a popular statement, but if all the top de's and ot's are gone, i wouldnt mind seeing us go after one of the linebackers. leber has done a pretty decent job for the vikes, but he will always seem like a player that you can upgrade. he's not fast, he's not big, and he's not strong. but he does make a play every now and then

[Crazy_Chris]

I think your under rating Leber, I agree he could be upgraded. However the Vikings have other positions that are in much biggner need than SOLB.

[giver17]

Like.....Why even say that last sentence, why? Why bring up Moss? I didn't. This is you trying to assign some characteristic to me that isn't there; when Moss was a free agent, I wanted us to offer him a contract. Is that really that "annoying"? Btw, I haven't mentioned it since he signed with New England, and you know, Moved on. But apparently it's annoying to move on.

Also, Since You brought up Moss, I would like you to look up the terms "Franchising" and "Free Agent", since you apparently don't realize that what NE did was the Exact Opposite of making sure he'd stay with them. And then realize that what Philly did - make an offer - was all I said we should do. If I was obsessed, I would've continued talking about it; I'm Not. You are.

Once again, and repeating what I wrote already: Trading a 1st and 3rd for Fitz AND THEN signing him to big money would be a Bad Move, IMO. If you think trading our 1st round and 3rd round pick for Fitz (after signing Berrian to 42/16) is a more sensible/realistic idea than offering a contract to Moss (before signing Berrian to 42/16), and so much more realistic that you tried to call me out, hey, that's you. Never singled you out, never replied to your posts with "I think I speak for all the posters and you're annoying", and never said for you to "officially shut up". All I said was something I've already had to explain up there; why you brought this up again is something I don't understand.

Calling someone on the internet who disagrees with you annoying is annoying.

honestly, you would have had to of been an idiot to think that moss was going to leave NE. he is playing on a team where in his FIRST season he complied 23 TDs. who the heck is going to leave that? he is playing with brady, and on an annual super bowl contending team. all moss wants is to win a ring, and everyone knew he was not going to leave the pats. seriously, just shut the heck up about it. you ARE annoying. he was just taking other offers to use it as a bargaining chip against the pats, but in the long run everyone knew he was resigning. so from now on, never talk about it again. I you dont, i promise I will never bring it up either. then everyone will be happy.

as for fitz, I would give a 1st and a 3rd for him any day of the week. he is amazing, and I can not even fathom the amount of 1st round draft picks that end up being flops. so yes, he is worth it without a doubt.

[The Dynasty]

I think your under rating Leber, I agree he could be upgraded. However the Vikings have other positions that are in much biggner need than SOLB.

I would love to put Erin Henderson and EJ Henderson Together but I doubt we would take a OLB in the 2nd round though. I think we have a good LB core but Wouldnt mind a OLB to take Leber's place when is contract expires.

[Crazy_Chris]

If we get a DE in round 1 and if there is no OT worth our 2nd rounder than I would consider some one like Erin Henderson.

[FuzzyGopher]

Like.....Why even say that last sentence, why? Why bring up Moss? I didn't. This is you trying to assign some characteristic to me that isn't there; when Moss was a free agent, I wanted us to offer him a contract. Is that really that "annoying"? Btw, I haven't mentioned it since he signed with New England, and you know, Moved on. But apparently it's annoying to move on.

Also, Since You brought up Moss, I would like you to look up the terms "Franchising" and "Free Agent", since you apparently don't realize that what NE did was the Exact Opposite of making sure he'd stay with them. And then realize that what Philly did - make an offer - was all I said we should do. If I was obsessed, I would've continued talking about it; I'm Not. You are.

Once again, and repeating what I wrote already: Trading a 1st and 3rd for Fitz AND THEN signing him to big money would be a Bad Move, IMO. If you think trading our 1st round and 3rd round pick for Fitz (after signing Berrian to 42/16) is a more sensible/realistic idea than offering a contract to Moss (before signing Berrian to 42/16), and so much more realistic that you tried to call me out, hey, that's you. Never singled you out, never replied to your posts with "I think I speak for all the posters and you're annoying", and never said for you to "officially shut up". All I said was something I've already had to explain up there; why you brought this up again is something I don't understand.

Calling someone on the internet who disagrees with you annoying is annoying.

So your agreeing that your annoying?

[vikes_28]

If we get a DE in round 1 and if there is no OT worth our 2nd rounder than I would consider some one like Erin Henderson.

Henderson would be a good replacement for Leber. I'm not really a fan of Leber's. Sure he gave us some decent pass rush this year, but nothing to write home about.

[chug o nomics]

Henderson would be a good replacement for Leber. I'm not really a fan of Leber's. Sure he gave us some decent pass rush this year, but nothing to write home about.

I would love for EJ to mentor his younger brother. We'd be stacked at LB for years to come.

[RollingMoss]

honestly, you would have had to of been an idiot to think that moss was going to leave NE. he is playing on a team where in his FIRST season he complied 23 TDs. who the heck is going to leave that? he is playing with brady, and on an annual super bowl contending team. all moss wants is to win a ring, and everyone knew he was not going to leave the pats. seriously, just shut the heck up about it. you ARE annoying. he was just taking other offers to use it as a bargaining chip against the pats, but in the long run everyone knew he was resigning. so from now on, never talk about it again. I you dont, i promise I will never bring it up either. then everyone will be happy.

as for fitz, I would give a 1st and a 3rd for him any day of the week. he is amazing, and I can not even fathom the amount of 1st round draft picks that end up being flops. so yes, he is worth it without a doubt.

I question your reading comprehension....how was That your reply to what I wrote?

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I agree w/ Crazy Chris; trade down if everyone on wishlist1 and wishlist1A is gone. ****, I'd almost say trade down no matter what, I'm starting to sour on the first-round value guys, but I guess that happens when you've nitpicked everyone of them for this long.

And Leber is definately a position you can upgrade, but he's also a guy who continually overachieves; real catch-22 stuff. If we got a project like Killebrew from Texas later on, that'd be nice I suppose; I don't like spending a pick in the first 4 rounds on a linebacker, though.

[giver17]

Since You brought up Moss, I would like you to look up the terms "Franchising" and "Free Agent", since you apparently don't realize that what NE did was the Exact Opposite of making sure he'd stay with them. And then realize that what Philly did - make an offer - was all I said we should do. If I was obsessed, I would've continued talking about it; I'm Not. You are.



this is what i was referencing

[vikes_28]

could you guys take your argument some other place. you both are getting really annoying.

[The Dynasty]

March 12th, 2008 – 9:22 AM by Kevin Seifert
The burning question finally has an answer. The search is over. New WR Bernard Berrian will wear number …

























87.

Many of you have wondered whether Berrian would somehow finagle No. 80, his Bears number which also happens to have been last worn in Minnesota by future Hall of Famer Cris Carter. Berrian instead will take No. 87, which had been assigned to TE Braden Jones. The new number for Jones is 47.

i was hoping for 89 but oh well.

[RollingMoss]

Marcus Robinson's gonna be pisssssssssssssssssssssssssssed.

[The Dynasty]

CB Jones visits/LB Pope, too
March 12th, 2008 – 10:04 AM by Kevin Seifert

Free agent CB Nathan Jones, who has spent the past four seasons with Dallas, is scheduled to visit Winter Park today. Jones is known as a solid special teams player and attended Rutgers at the time when Vikings special teams coordinator Paul Ferraro was the defensive coordinator there.

Here is a look at Jones’ career stats.

UPDATE: Scout.com is reporting that free agent LB Derrick Pope also is scheduled to visit. Pope was a seventh-round draft pick of the Miami Dolphins in 2004, when current Vikings VP Rick Spielman was the team’s general manager. Pope had 64 tackles last season for the Dolphins.

Looks like we arent done yet.

[Vikes99ej]

Marcus Robinson's gonna be pisssssssssssssssssssssssssssed.

Oh yeah, how dare Berrian take his number.

[giver17]

so as of now is there really anybody left in the free agency, or as a trade possibility who is really worth our time at DE. i haven't been keeping up to date enough... are all the rumors or small talk about peppers gone basically? what about kearse

[Dr. Gonzo]

I don't think Peppers is going anywhere and Kearse was signed. Our only option really is Jason Taylor as I belive regardless of what anyone says he will be traded, although I doubt we go after him. I think Speilmen and Childress have a certain DE in mind in the first round, its now just a question of who.

[vikes_28]

Marcus Robinson's gonna be pisssssssssssssssssssssssssssed.

Marcus Robinson didnt do anything. he sucked, just like troy williamson

[RollingMoss]

Marcus Robinson didnt do anything. he sucked, just like troy williamson


That was the joke.


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Am I the only one warming up to the idea of Merling? The more I hear and read about him, the more I like. Seems like he could be a Seymourtype - obviously not as good as Seymour, but in that DE/DT, do-it-all mold.

[crazyisme]

hes definitely an interesting prospect rollingmoss, but my biggest question on him is....at the next lvl, is he going to be a quality starter at best, or does he have the potential to be a super star?

im not sure if he shouts "super star" ya know? I think he could be solid, but in the first round, wouldnt you rather be going after someone who could be a superstar rather than just a good player?

[chug o nomics]

In the first round, you should always go for the potential superstar with the lowest chance of busting. You NEVER settle for a player in the 1st, especially since we're in the teens.

[vikes_28]

In the first round, you should always go for the potential superstar with the lowest chance of busting. You NEVER settle for a player in the 1st, especially since we're in the teens.

...................so what has been our excuse for Troy Williamson, Erasmus James, and Kenechi Udeze?:confused:

[The Dynasty]

...................so what has been our excuse for Troy Williamson, Erasmus James, and Kenechi Udeze?:confused:

Terrible Management. It sort of looks like Childress knows how to draft imo. Greenway, Cedric Griffin, Ray Edwards, Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, McCauley, Allison.

Bad Pick - Ryan Cook.

Unsure Pick - Tarvaris Jackson

Udeze isnt really a bust though. He is a good rush defender but poor pass rusher..which doesnt make him a Bust. James still might be good who knows...He's just injury prone. Troy was a huge mistake. We tried to replace Randy Moss for with a Poor Wide receiving Group in 2005. I was hoping for us to trade up and grab Braylon but we didnt so.

[vikes_28]

Terrible Management. It sort of looks like Childress knows how to draft imo. Greenway, Cedric Griffin, Ray Edwards, Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, McCauley, Allison.

I was hoping for us to trade up and grab Braylon but we didnt so.
When would we ever trade up to get someone that would be freakin amazing for us? sorry for being so negative, but some of this is so true. think about it: there are many times that we could have traded up to get better picks. instead of greenway we could have had cutler. instead of troy williamson we could have traded a the 7th and the third to the browns to pick braylon.

its somthing that is re-occuring every year.

[russie]

**** jay cutler. i'm glad we got greenway instead

[The Dynasty]

I agree with Russie. What has Cutler done? Nothing. He didnt lead the Broncos to the Playoffs like people thought. Im glad we got Greenway. He is a great player.

[russie]

I agree with Russie. What has Cutler done? Nothing. He didnt lead the Broncos to the Playoffs like people thought. Im glad we got Greenway. He is a great player.

exactly. i'd rather have a solid linebacker than an unspectacular qb

[vikes_28]

point taken.

[chug o nomics]

...................so what has been our excuse for Troy Williamson, Erasmus James, and Kenechi Udeze?:confused:

Erasmus was slowed down tremendously by injuries.
Kenechi had a solid year and would have been the starter this year.
Williamson NEVER had superstar potential. He ran a fast 40 and management felt like they needed someone to replace Moss. They "settled" for a WR by reaching for Williamson. I think Mike Tice wanted Merriman.

[The_Dude]

The new obvious FA question..... Kalimba Edwards?

[RollingMoss]

The new obvious FA question..... Kalimba Edwards?

Maybe, depends on the draft. And you could make the case we already got a Kalimba in Ray (and they're both Edwards! that analogy works perfectly!). How old is Kalimba too? He's gotta be gettin' up there.

I think we should look to the draft now, basically.

[Vikes99ej]

We signed Derrick Pope today. Adds depth to the LB cores and should be a decent special teams player

http://vikings.com/NewsArticle_popesigns031408.aspx

[The Dynasty]

Thats a good Move. Gives us Depth like you said ej.

[vikes_28]

maybe he could take over for ben leber.

[DHVF]

maybe he could take over for ben leber.
Lol, are you serious? If so, you must either have a serious bias against Leber or one for Pope

[vikes_28]

lol. im just not a fan of leber. i dont know why, but im just....not

[General Zod]

Ok first,

Robert Furguson resigned for 1 year.....why?

and

What do you all think about Darrell Jackson a Viking? since he just got cut.



Discuss.

[Vikes99ej]

Ok first,

Robert Furguson resigned for 1 year.....why?

and

What do you all think about Darrell Jackson a Viking? since he just got cut.



Discuss.

Honestly, when you look at them there isn't much that separates Darrell Jackson and Robert Ferguson as players right now.

[DHVF]

Honestly, when you look at them there isn't much that separates Darrell Jackson and Robert Ferguson as players right now.
Except for the fact that Fergy is a much better blocker and is familiar with our system.

[The Dynasty]

Im Fine with Ferguson. He wont play much. At best he is the 4th Receiver

1. Berrian
2. Rice
3. Wade
4. Ferguson
5. Allison

Which I hope Allison moves up to 3 this year and we could have that trio for years to come.

As for Jackson Why Sign him. We have 5 or 6 WR on the Roster, So i dont see the need for it as much.

[General Zod]

Just askin,

I am just so not a Bobby Wade fan. :-)

[Crazy_Chris]

Im Fine with Ferguson. He wont play much. At best he is the 4th Receiver

1. Berrian
2. Rice
3. Wade
4. Ferguson
5. Allison

Which I hope Allison moves up to 3 this year and we could have that trio for years to come.

As for Jackson Why Sign him. We have 5 or 6 WR on the Roster, So i dont see the need for it as much.

I think Andraue will take #4 spot this year and then in 2009 will take Bobby Wades spot at Slot WR.

[Vikes99ej]

Just askin,

I am just so not a Bobby Wade fan. :-)

We were just trying to make him into a #1 last year, something he isn't suited for.

[The Dynasty]

We Signed Dallas Starz and Ellis Wyms

Wyms agrees to terms
March 17th, 2008 – 3:57 PM by Kevin Seifert

This just in from Judd: The Vikings have agreed to terms with DL Ellis Wyms on a one-year contract, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

Wyms, who can play end and tackle, played last season in Seattle after spending six seasons with Tampa Bay. His arrival continues a steady stream of free agent signings in recent days, a group that includes LBs Derrick Pope and Dallas Sartz, and WR Robert Ferguson.


LB Sartz signs/DE Smith returns to Lions
March 17th, 2008 – 3:11 PM by Kevin Seifert

The Vikings signed LB Dallas Sartz today, according to the team’s web site. Sartz was a fifth-round draft pick last year by Washington and was cut Sept. 1, 2007.

Meanwhile, DE Corey Smith, who visited Winter Park last week, re-signed today with the Detroit Lions. Smith accepted a 1-year deal, according to the team.

[General Zod]

Looks like we are making a real push to improve our special teams. I like it.

[Crazy_Chris]

They did pretty well covering kicks last year should be even better this year... I hope now we re-sign Mike Doss don't think any team has been interested in making him a starter. Vikes should bring him back for some depth at safety.

[crazyisme]

yah, i wouldnt mind Doss for some depth, still really want to grab a safety with one of our first 4 picks, we need some good youth back there.

[Vikes99ej]

Looks like we're going to bring Gus Frerotte for a visit. Can't hurt for depth.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Frerotte is the ****. Must better then Kelly "No Skills" Holcomb and probably much cheaper.

[Vikings4ever]

Looks like we're going to bring Gus Frerotte for a visit. Can't hurt for depth.

As long as he doesn't concuss himself by headbutting a wall.

Again.

[Vikes99ej]

Frerotte is the ****. Must better then Kelly "No Skills" Holcomb and probably much cheaper.

Holcomb isn't on the team anymore, but Frerotte is still better than anyone we have right now.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I was trying to say that he will be a much better the Holcomb was for us last year. I think this is a great signing if we can draft a QB in the 3rd to 5th round range.

[The Dynasty]

Veteran safety to visit
March 20th, 2008 – 10:05 AM by Judd Zulgad
As the Vikings continue to talk with quarterback Gus Frerotte, free-agent safety Michael Boulware is expected to visit with the team this week. Boulware played in 16 games (no starts) for Houston last year after spending his first three seasons with the Seattle Seahawks. Boulware, who played college football at Florida State, did not have an interception with the Texans but has 11 in his career.

The Vikings signed Madieu Williams from the Bengals early in free agency and he will start opposite Darren Sharper. Minnesota continues to look to add depth at the position. Tank Williams signed with New England and Mike Doss won’t return. Doss remains on the open market.

I like this move for depth. He is a young Safety and would be great to have incase one of the safties goes down.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Agreed. I like the guy and at the very least he will be a servicable backup.

[The Dynasty]

Vikings sign Boulware/UPDATE
March 20th, 2008 – 4:00 PM by Judd Zulgad

That was quick.

The Vikings signed free agent Michael Boulware today, giving them depth at safety. Boulware came in for a visit today; he visited with the Carolina Panthers on Monday. “I had a great meeting with the coaches and liked the direction that the organization is going,” Boulware told my colleague Kevin Seifert as he rode to the airport. “I think this gives me a great opportunity to come here and get better as a player.”

Boulware spent last season with the Houston Texans and the organization wanted to use him at linebacker. Boulware will serve as a backup safety and also play on special teams. The Vikings now have Darren Sharper and Madieu Williams as their starting safeties; Boulware and Eric Frampton are the backups.

UPDATE: Also signing today was DT Kendrick Allen, who was last with Green Bay in 2006. He played in two games and spent the rest of the season on injured reserve.

2 More names to the List. I didnt know we had Eric Frampton on the Roster. So now we Have 4 Safties and 4 DT's That I can think of. Some of our DE's probably could play DT.

[Geo]

I'm guessing Mike Doss isn't brought back then, with the acquisition of Boulware. Wonder where he lands.

[bearsfan_51]

I wish we would sign Mike Doss. We've already said we weren't going to draft a safety. Cut Archuleta, sign Doss.

[Vikes99ej]

The Boulware signing is just meh to me. I don't know how he's any better than Mike Doss. I've never even heard of Kendrick Allen before.

[chug o nomics]

I think the front office mistook Kenderick Allen for Glenn Dorsey. They look a lot alike and they are from LSU.

[johbur]

The Boulware signing is just meh to me. I don't know how he's any better than Mike Doss. I've never even heard of Kendrick Allen before.

Kenderick Allen was a solid DT for the NY Giants, and then came to the Packers, but he's injury prone. I had expected him to start two years ago next to Pickett, but his foot was problematic.

[pete_norm]

From Rotoworld

_____________________________________________
Free agent Quinn Gray says he'll sign with the Texans.

"My agent (Drew Rosenhaus) has an agreement in place," he said. "It's a 1-year deal." Gray would've had a much better chance at playing time in either Oakland or Green Bay. He plans on signing a deal for the minimum, so his addition tells us that he's been told Sage Rosenfels is on the trade block."
_____________________________________________

Does that mean they'll want to trade Rosenfeld to us? How good is Rosenfeld anyway?

[Crazy_Chris]

He'd be a decent backup but I doubt we trade for him if they are still asking for a 2nd round pick.

[vikes_28]

http://www.vikings.com/NewsArticle_signedsapp032508.aspx
The Vikings announced on Tuesday that they have signed free agent defensive back Benny Sapp.


Sapp will enter his fifth season in 2008 and comes to the Vikings after four seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs. He has played in 56 career games, with six starts (including two starts last season).
__________________________________________________ _______________

Who??? never even heard of him til now.

[Crazy_Chris]

Eh he'll end up as the 5th CB or in a competition for it with some udfa/ late round rookie.

[pete_norm]

From Rotoworld:

_________________________________
Damon Huard-QB- Chiefs Mar. 24 - 11:44 pm et

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards says he wouldn't be averse to heading into the season with Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, and a rookie on the roster.

The wheels appear to be coming off in Kansas City. Damon Huard is currently the Chiefs' best option to win games, so it's quite perplexing for Edwards to openly talk about shopping or releasing him. Thigpen couldn't stay healthy in practice last year and Croyle was 0-6 as a starter in 2007.
Source: Kansas City Star
_________________________________

This news is interesting because it involves that GOD! named Tyler Thigpen.

Apart from that, do you guys think Huard could be a good option as a backup/mentor for Tjack?

[Crazy_Chris]

No we should trade our entire draft for Tyler Thigpen who will be the next Tom Brady, which those mother ******* stole from us.

[RollingMoss]

No we should trade our entire draft for Tyler Thigpen who will be the next Tom Brady, which those mother ******* stole from us.

I never got and will never get the Thigpen love. I will say that he seems like a decent practice squad player.

[Crazy_Chris]

It's an inside joke for most of Viking fans on this site that have been here since atleast the early part of last season.

[RollingMoss]

It's an inside joke for most of Viking fans on this site that have been here since atleast the early part of last season.


Ah, my bad. I actually know some people who swore Thigpen should've started over TJack last year. I....I hang out with idiots.

[The Dynasty]

Ah, my bad. I actually know some people who swore Thigpen should've started over TJack last year. I....I hang out with idiots.

Haha with the last Sentence lol. Im the only Viking Fan I know personally so Thats fun. Good thing about living in NY. Speaking about Viking fans in NY where has Bucknaked been?

[Vikes99ej]

Haha with the last Sentence lol. Im the only Viking Fan I know personally so Thats fun. Good thing about living in NY. Speaking about Viking fans in NY where has Bucknaked been?

I don't know, but I shore miss him :(

[bearsfan_51]

Haha with the last Sentence lol. Im the only Viking Fan I know personally so Thats fun. Good thing about living in NY. Speaking about Viking fans in NY where has Bucknaked been?

That's funny because I live in Minneapolis and I don't know any Vikings fans either.

[vikes_28]

i live in south dakota, maybe the vikes should relocate here, because i bet there are more vikings fans here than minny

[RollingMoss]

Ah, come on guys. If you ain't finding Vikings fans in Minnesota, ya ain't looking. These people drink more purple kool-aid than uh.....they drink a lot of purple kool-aid here, basically, that's my point, that I'm trying to say here.

[The Dynasty]

Ah, come on guys. If you ain't finding Vikings fans in Minnesota, ya ain't looking. These people drink more purple kool-aid than uh.....they drink a lot of purple kool-aid here, basically, that's my point, that I'm trying to say here.

Ive only been to Minnesota Once during a preseason game but there were alot of fans around the Mall of America and The Dome.

[bearsfan_51]

There are a lot of Vikings fans in Minnesota, but there aren't a lot of Vikings fans in Minneapolis. Half of the people that live here aren't even from Minnesota, or America. The state cares about the Vikings, but the only teams the city ever talks about are the Twins. The Wild seem to be big in St. Paul. The suburbs and outter state the Vikings. I don't think anyone cares about the T'Wolves anymore. I see more Packers gear than I do Vikings.

[giver17]

There are a lot of Vikings fans in Minnesota, but there aren't a lot of Vikings fans in Minneapolis. Half of the people that live here aren't even from Minnesota, or America. The state cares about the Vikings, but the only teams the city ever talks about are the Twins. The Wild seem to be big in St. Paul. The suburbs and outter state the Vikings. I don't think anyone cares about the T'Wolves anymore. I see more Packers gear than I do Vikings.

I am from Minneapolis too, and trust me we are here. I have a bunch of friends who bleed purple and gold. I grew up in Wisconsin actually and go to the U, so I grew up surrounded by packer fans... it sucked pretty bad. I got ripped on all the time for being a vikings fan, but everyone at least liked the fact that I wasn't a fair weather fan. That is the one thing I don't like about a lot of vikings fans; many seem to be fair weather ones.

[BuckNaked]

Thigpen 4 President!!!

[DHVF]

Thigpen 4 President!!!
Bucknaked = First Man

[Crazy_Chris]

Thigpen would strike fear into the hearts of America's enemies.

[vikes_28]

Thigpen would strike fear into the hearts of America's enemies.

hahahahahahahaha

[ChezPower4]

I am from Minneapolis too, and trust me we are here. I have a bunch of friends who bleed purple and gold. I grew up in Wisconsin actually and go to the U, so I grew up surrounded by packer fans... it sucked pretty bad. I got ripped on all the time for being a vikings fan, but everyone at least liked the fact that I wasn't a fair weather fan. That is the one thing I don't like about a lot of vikings fans; many seem to be fair weather ones.


I work at a bar in Boise, Idaho and we have a privite room that every Sunday is rented out to a purple and gold club and there are at least 100 of them that show up everyday and for being way out here in Idaho you would be surprised how many vikings fans are out here.

[DHVF]

I work at a bar in Boise, Idaho and we have a privite room that every Sunday is rented out to a purple and gold club and there are at least 100 of them that show up everyday and for being way out here in Idaho you would be surprised how many vikings fans are out here.
Wow, that's pretty crazy that there'd b that many viking fans out there. Cheers to you Boise!

[princefielder28]

I am from Minneapolis too, and trust me we are here. I have a bunch of friends who bleed purple and gold. I grew up in Wisconsin actually and go to the U, so I grew up surrounded by packer fans... it sucked pretty bad. I got ripped on all the time for being a vikings fan, but everyone at least liked the fact that I wasn't a fair weather fan. That is the one thing I don't like about a lot of vikings fans; many seem to be fair weather ones.

Yeah my roommate at U didn't really give a rat's ass about the Vikes until all of a suddden they started to win and were contending for a playoff spot. The majority of the city is like that for anything of than hockey. If the Vikings, Twins, and T'Wolves are ever playing well then people will go watch them but otherwise it never ever reaches capacity at the venues...unless a company buys Vikings tickets so they aren't blacked out

[FizzyFalcons]

looks like you guys signed Gus Frerotte according to espn

[General Zod]

We signed up Gus for a back up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3325150

[Vikes99ej]

I like the Gus move. We get a back up better than anyone we've had the past few years, and we didn't have to give up a draft pick.

[Crazy_Chris]

To be honest I really don't like this move, Freotte is a ok backup but I am tired of getting all these backup QB's who are very very close to retirement. Gus is gonna be 37 before the start of the season he can't have but maybe 2 more years at the most. Really I would have rather traded for Sage Rosenfels to be our backup QB, too bad Houston was asking for way more than what he is worth.

[vikes_28]

its depressing...

[Dr. Gonzo]

To be honest I really don't like this move, Freotte is a ok backup but I am tired of getting all these backup QB's who are very very close to retirement. Gus is gonna be 37 before the start of the season he can't have but maybe 2 more years at the most. Really I would have rather traded for Sage Rosenfels to be our backup QB, too bad Houston was asking for way more than what he is worth.

The fact that we were offering a 3rd for Sage makes me happy that they turned it down. IMO we can use that third to draft a guy like Josh Johnson or JDB who will be much better than Sage in a couple years time. At least with Frerotte we get a better backup then we have had since, well, Gus Frerotte.

[RollingMoss]

The fact that we were offering a 3rd for Sage makes me happy that they turned it down. IMO we can use that third to draft a guy like Josh Johnson or JDB who will be much better than Sage in a couple years time. At least with Frerotte we get a better backup then we have had since, well, Gus Frerotte.

I have nothing to add except "Word". And a head nod. I'm nodding my head right now in agreement.

[djp]

I hate all the DEnds in the draft that we will be looking at.... they don't seem anything different than what we have.

[Dr. Gonzo]

So you don't like Harvey, who provides the exact pass rush ability we need?

[The Dynasty]

So you don't like Harvey, who provides the exact pass rush ability we need?

I think he is thinking Harvey will be gone. He just had a Mock out having us take Merling.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Over Williams no less. I think it is more and more likely that we don't take Merling and go with the best OT there. The same teams that may take Harvey are the same teams that may take an OT so I think one of the other falls which putts us in a good position.

[vikesrock28]

i was originally into the rumor of us trading picks for Jason Taylor, but I don't think his heart is into it anymore. He's ready to retire so he can become a ballet dancer. ; )

There were rumors about trading for Anderson or Quinn as well, But I don't see it happening.

If we can get a legitimate defensive end, QB for the future, offensive lineman , a TE, a secondary depth, through the draft and last phase of free agency, I'll be happy.

[giver17]

i was originally into the rumor of us trading picks for Jason Taylor, but I don't think his heart is into it anymore. He's ready to retire so he can become a ballet dancer. ; )

There were rumors about trading for Anderson or Quinn as well, But I don't see it happening.

If we can get a legitimate defensive end, QB for the future, offensive lineman , a TE, a secondary depth, through the draft and last phase of free agency, I'll be happy.

i think we would all be happy if that happened haha

[qbscout9]

I heard the Vikings want to draft Brennan in the 3rd or 4th!