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mbennett11
02-24-2007, 03:46 PM
I realize that he hasn't produced like a player picked #7 overall should, but what are the aspects of his game that make him considered such a bust?

Also, would you consider Williamson a lost cause at this point or does he still have the ability to resurrect his career?

PackerFan20
02-24-2007, 03:47 PM
If he doesnt get it done this year its over

The Legend
02-24-2007, 03:49 PM
I realize that he hasn't produced like a player picked #7 overall should, but what are the aspects of his game that make him considered such a bust?

Also, would you consider Williamson a lost cause at this point or does he still have the ability to resurrect his career?

he needs the same coordinator .... coach ..... quarterback ..... also its not like they had a good wideout on the other side to help him out

toonsterwu
02-24-2007, 03:50 PM
He still has time to resurrect his career, but from what I have seen, while he has good speed, he's basically inconsistent in all other aspects.

RaiderNation
02-24-2007, 03:53 PM
he has no hands. needs to have 2 good years in a row or else he will be a bust

UtepMiner
02-24-2007, 03:53 PM
Going off what I hear

- Bad ball awareness/ball skills, doesn't adjust to passes in the air very well.
- very inconsistent hands, drops a lot of passes.
- could be wrong on this one, but I'm not sure how well he gets off the line when pressed by physical corners.

and I agree that he probably has another year left to prove he isn't a bust.

Vikes99ej
02-24-2007, 03:53 PM
Don't even get me started...

The Legend
02-24-2007, 03:54 PM
Don't even get me started...

give him a chance EJ

Boston
02-24-2007, 03:57 PM
http://www.viewfinderphotography.co.uk/acatalog/rockss1.jpg

Because he has hands, that look like this.

swagger
02-24-2007, 04:07 PM
what are the aspects of his game that make him considered such a bust?

Uhmm.....everything.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-24-2007, 04:09 PM
what are the aspects of his game that make him considered such a bust?

Uhmm.....everything.said it before I did.

Vikes99ej
02-24-2007, 04:10 PM
If you want to know how I feel about Troy Williamson, look up the Gameday threads from this past season.

jetsfan3
02-24-2007, 04:32 PM
His main problem is drops.

The Unseen
02-24-2007, 04:38 PM
His main problem is drops.

I also believe that the sky is blue.

Geo
02-24-2007, 04:40 PM
I've said it more than once: I'm not sold on writing him off completely. He gets separation from defenders, he just needs to do a better job in catching the ball. You can teach the latter, you can't teach the former.

Especially once he's utilized as a home run threat 2 or 3 times a game, when he can actually play with a quarterback with a live arm. Of course that couldn't happen with Brad Johnson at quarterback and Brad Childress dialing up plays that wouldn't even qualify as dink 'n dunk a third of the time.

etk
02-24-2007, 05:15 PM
You can start with maybe catching at least 20% of the balls thrown his way. Maybe then you can get into route running or blocking, but if he can't catch the football then why run proper routes?

P.S. Troy Williamson does not deserve his own thread. He doesn't even deserve to have this post devoted to him, but I'm being nice.

The Legend
02-24-2007, 05:21 PM
P.S. Troy Williamson does not deserve his own thread

swagger
02-24-2007, 05:31 PM
I didn't feel right letting Troy get off so easy with my previous post. So here goes. Hope I don't miss anything:

He has a terrible attitude and is lazy. His rookie season he got benched for pulling himself out of practice without telling coaches; he was in Tice's doghouse for the rest of the year. This year he sulked and cried about returning kicks. You could read his body language and tell he wasn't going 100%. He had a poor attitude after he was demoted, and Childress said so himself. He had such a poor attitude and play so pisspoor, that Childress deactivated him the week 17 in what was basically an exhibition game; a game that would have been nice to get him some experience.

He cannot adjust to the football. He is clumsy, uncoordinated. I could walk through my local park and see kids playing flag football who are more polished than Williamson.

This season the ball hit many different body parts of his wall trying to make a catch. A ball bounced off his face mask while trying to make a catch, of his helmet, his shoulder, his chest, etc etc. He doesn't just have a case of the dropsies, he literally embarrasses himself when trying to catch the ball.

He is a stick figure. He is one of the weakest players in the NFL. If he does happen to catch the ball, God forbid, he goes down at the slightest of contact. He is terrible getting off of the line. He probably couldn't beat the jam of any given high school cornerback.

Terrible route runner. He runs sloppy routes and rounds off his routes. He has good straight line speed but that's about it; he isn't that fast when he has to make cuts. Terrible body control. He gets going and can't stop.




Hope this helps.

jetsfan3
02-24-2007, 05:56 PM
His main problem is drops.

I also believe that the sky is blue.

Well ever since the sky turned purple...

rchrd
02-24-2007, 06:08 PM
I cant attest to his attitude but personally I am willing to give him a shot for the simple reason that to say he was considered raw coming out is an understatement, add to that he became the number 1 receiver (by default) with a QB who cant throw just helped to highlight his problems whilst not getting a chance to showcase his upside.

He was thrown into a bad situation, he seems to be fragile mentally. Not a good combination. Who knows if he'll ever bring it back, history would suggest not I guess.

Although I did *read* (instant disclaimer) that he was the last man out of the facility last year often trying to work on stuff.

PoopSandwich
02-24-2007, 06:11 PM
What is most of your feeling's on Braylon Edwards, the other receiver taken very high in that draft?

etk
02-24-2007, 07:28 PM
What is most of your feeling's on Braylon Edwards, the other receiver taken very high in that draft?

I can't believe he couldn't corral that hail mary pass for a touchdown. He juggled the ball like TO, but I don't remember who they were playing, but it was bad :shock:

SteelerNation
02-24-2007, 07:35 PM
I think coming into is third year and with TJ's cannon arm he might come good, he will be much better suited to the slot and can excell if he can ajust to the ball better.

He needs to have his contract restructured though, he does not deserve a 40 mill contract.

keylime_5
02-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Williamson has no hope. He won't just turn into a good wide receiver over night or even over the summer. He can't develop ball skills, route running ability, defense reading ability, and hands that soon, he is too raw for a raw player even. He is a very big and fast person, but he is not a good football player, he wasn't even that great at S.Carolina, he has like 2 catches that actually meant something in his entire career there.

Edwards is gonna be good, he's crazy, but he'll be a good player with multiple 1000 yard years...Williamson is a bust past/present/future

Doncarlito
02-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Cmon now hes still young hes only been in the league for 2 years. He hasnt had the same Coach, cordinator, or QB(for the whole year) in any of the 2 years he needs time to develop a rapport With TJ and work on his skills. Many Very good Recievers dont Flourish until there 3rd or 4th year. All i need to see from him is Improvement this year a 60+ catches and 900+ yds year would be fine, and that would be improving by leaps and bounds for him. And a follow up the next year with equal or better numbers than i will be willing to say he is not a bust. But if he doesnt Improve at all next year he is a complete bust

princefielder28
02-24-2007, 09:06 PM
all about production and he hasn't brought it to the table

yo123
02-24-2007, 11:04 PM
if he can improve his hands i think he can be a poor mans bernard berrian but will never be worth the #7 pick

PoopSandwich
02-25-2007, 12:19 AM
What is most of your feeling's on Braylon Edwards, the other receiver taken very high in that draft?

I can't believe he couldn't corral that hail mary pass for a touchdown. He juggled the ball like TO, but I don't remember who they were playing, but it was bad :shock:

It was against pittsburgh which makes it about 5,000 times worse, but the ball was tipped to him, and his momentum was taking him away from the ball, and his one foot was out of bounds anyways, it really wasn't his fault, frye through the ball way out of bounds and jurevicius made a hell of an effort to swat it back to where there was any chance of it being caught.

EDIT : another game I was at, and it was the most depressing game I have ever left, there were like 5,000 Steelers fans, and I wanted to deck some of them... They were being ass holes pregame, then shut up until our team had a meltdown in the 4th quarter.

swagger
02-25-2007, 02:12 AM
I think coming into is third year and with TJ's cannon arm he might come good, he will be much better suited to the slot and can excell if he can ajust to the ball better.

Why? He could not catch Brad Johnson's catchable floaters. Why would he be better at catching balls with more zip on them?

Geo
02-25-2007, 03:47 AM
What is most of your feeling's on Braylon Edwards, the other receiver taken very high in that draft?
Leading up to and at the time of the 2005 Draft, I said that the San Francisco 49ers should have taken Edwards over Alex Smith. Reasoning was that Edwards, over a 3-year period, would rank much closer to the best wide receiver prospect than Smith would to the best quarterback prospect. The 49ers had neither, and the theoretical potential of having to "settle" with Edwards wouldn't be near as bad as it would with Smith because of the critical importance of the quarterback position. And history has given us clear examples of successful franchises where they selected the franchise wide receiver a year or two before the franchise quarterback, allowing the WR time to understand the game which gives the young QB a viable option to depend on once he steps in.

When you're as bad as the 49ers were, the restoration process well extends beyond the year's class and in that case was at least 3 years' worth; the entire basis for that scenario is acquiring the best player available (BPA) as the complete deficiency in talent can't direct otherwise.

And right now, looking at the 2005-2007 draft class, I'd put Edwards behind only Calvin Johnson as the top WR prospect even though Edwards has some mouthing off and underperformance issues at the moment (no one would have ranked Marques Colston higher than Edwards at the time of). Meanwhile Smith wouldn't even make the Top 5 in quarterback prospects thanks to the top tiers of the 2006 and 2007 quarterback classes.

The 49ers could have made out with Braylon Edwards and Matt Leinart in consecutive years, instead they settled with Alex Smith and Vernon Davis. At least the Mike Nolan hire was the best move the franchise made in years.

Yung Flippa
02-25-2007, 10:08 PM
He Still Has A Chance To Bring Ressurct His Carrer

Ewing
02-25-2007, 10:10 PM
Here's why he sucks. I, an out of shape comedian with the atheletic skills of a gerbil, could catch more passes than him.

49ersfan_87
02-25-2007, 10:24 PM
The 49ers could have made out with Braylon Edwards and Matt Leinart in consecutive years, instead they settled with Alex Smith and Vernon Davis. At least the Mike Nolan hire was the best move the franchise made in years.

I dont think you can look at it like that. At 05, the best pick was to get QB Smith.

Going into that season, the only other options at QB were

Cody Pickett- a 7th round pick
Tim Rattay- a 7th round pick
Ken Dorsey- a 7th round pick


None of those are guys you want starting 16 games a season. We tried that, and it got us a number 1 pick. Pickett is already out of the league and the other 2 are career backups.

Smith was the best QB in that class, and the 49ers needed a franchise QB. It looks good in hindsight, but you cant go into a season without a clear option at the quaterback position. I doubt nolan was planning the 06 draft at that time, thinking he would need a QB.

Also, i recall nolan saying he liked cutler the best. So it would have been cutler over leinart. Frankly, id like cutler over alex smith right now. However, I dont see what the problem with smith/davis is anyways. I think it will be a fine duo.

Also, i understand the BPA. I like that method. But he wanted to build the franchise, and you cant build a franchise with a WR.

cunningham06
02-25-2007, 11:07 PM
I'd say he's getting close to bust status. He is getting open, mainly because of how fast he is, but his catching is horrible. If he can greatly improve his catching then maybe he will turn into a solid player, but if not he will be a huge bust.

swagger
02-25-2007, 11:45 PM
He has already passed bust status. If he rebounds, it will be one of the best comebacks I've maybe ever seen out of a prospect.

Geo
02-25-2007, 11:57 PM
Bust status? The guy hasn't even played his third year in the league, when receivers have been known to flourish.

It's not as if the guy was polished coming out of college, on top of that.

Caddy
02-26-2007, 12:04 AM
This is what happens when you draft on forty times

swagger
02-26-2007, 01:07 AM
Bust status? The guy hasn't even played his third year in the league, when receivers have been known to flourish.

Have fun waiting for Williamson to "flourish" in his third season.

Severe Punishment
02-26-2007, 02:24 AM
I didn't feel right letting Troy get off so easy with my previous post. So here goes. Hope I don't miss anything:

He has a terrible attitude and is lazy. His rookie season he got benched for pulling himself out of practice without telling coaches; he was in Tice's doghouse for the rest of the year. This year he sulked and cried about returning kicks. You could read his body language and tell he wasn't going 100%. He had a poor attitude after he was demoted, and Childress said so himself. He had such a poor attitude and play so pisspoor, that Childress deactivated him the week 17 in what was basically an exhibition game; a game that would have been nice to get him some experience.

He cannot adjust to the football. He is clumsy, uncoordinated. I could walk through my local park and see kids playing flag football who are more polished than Williamson.

This season the ball hit many different body parts of his wall trying to make a catch. A ball bounced off his face mask while trying to make a catch, of his helmet, his shoulder, his chest, etc etc. He doesn't just have a case of the dropsies, he literally embarrasses himself when trying to catch the ball.

He is a stick figure. He is one of the weakest players in the NFL. If he does happen to catch the ball, God forbid, he goes down at the slightest of contact. He is terrible getting off of the line. He probably couldn't beat the jam of any given high school cornerback.

Terrible route runner. He runs sloppy routes and rounds off his routes. He has good straight line speed but that's about it; he isn't that fast when he has to make cuts. Terrible body control. He gets going and can't stop.

Hope this helps.
Funny, accurate, and sad. It's bad enough when you get a guy who tries and can't catch but when you get a guy with poor attitude and gets benched by 2 different H.C.'s well....thenyou know you've invested way to much.
I still hope his attitude and work ethic get turned around by him....cuz he's the only one who can change his game....but with every passing week during the season I saw his effort level drop game by game...to the point where he was benched a good deal at the end of the season.
Right now it's just wishful thinking on my part that he can be productive.

yourfavestoner
02-26-2007, 04:26 AM
Leading up to and at the time of the 2005 Draft, I said that the San Francisco 49ers should have taken Edwards over Alex Smith. Reasoning was that Edwards, over a 3-year period, would rank much closer to the best wide receiver prospect than Smith would to the best quarterback prospect. The 49ers had neither, and the theoretical potential of having to "settle" with Edwards wouldn't be near as bad as it would with Smith because of the critical importance of the quarterback position. And history has given us clear examples of successful franchises where they selected the franchise wide receiver a year or two before the franchise quarterback, allowing the WR time to understand the game which gives the young QB a viable option to depend on once he steps in.

When you're as bad as the 49ers were, the restoration process well extends beyond the year's class and in that case was at least 3 years' worth; the entire basis for that scenario is acquiring the best player available (BPA) as the complete deficiency in talent can't direct otherwise.

And right now, looking at the 2005-2007 draft class, I'd put Edwards behind only Calvin Johnson as the top WR prospect even though Edwards has some mouthing off and underperformance issues at the moment (no one would have ranked Marques Colston higher than Edwards at the time of). Meanwhile Smith wouldn't even make the Top 5 in quarterback prospects thanks to the top tiers of the 2006 and 2007 quarterback classes.

The 49ers could have made out with Braylon Edwards and Matt Leinart in consecutive years, instead they settled with Alex Smith and Vernon Davis. At least the Mike Nolan hire was the best move the franchise made in years.

You have no idea how many times I've pondered this exact same scenario.