Gholston vs Mario

[foozball]

How does Vernon's combine compare to Mario's? Did Vernon do enough to vault him to #1? Does he qualify as being a freak?

[theogt]

It's not nearly as impressive considering that Mario put up equivalent or better numbers at 40 lbs heavier. It's not as impressive as Manny Lawson's or DeMarcus Ware's workout either. It's just a hair below the workouts by Brian Robison, Mark Anderson, and Kameron Wimbley.

[ncst8fan83]

Gholston - 6'4" 258
40 - 4.67
Bench - 37
Vert - 35.5"

Williams - 6'7" 295
40 - 4.66
Bench - 35
Vert - 40.5"

[Kid_Ego]

Not to mention not near as dominate while playing on a better all around team. I know the first round is more about potential then production but Williams 3 inches and 40 lbs was a whole diffrent type of dominate then Gholston.

[Bucs4242]

they arent really comparable as players so who cares? Mario WIlliams was more like Brucee Smith and Gholston more like Jevon Kearse or Demarcus Ware. If I was running a 3-4 I would take Gholston over Dorsey, he will have a bigger impact than Dorsey would in that defense

I didnt see much of lOng, but Gholston is worthy of the #1 overall pick in my book. He will be Kearse like

[Kid_Ego]

Kearse like in the fact hes under sized and might spend more time on the Injured reserve roster then he does on the Active roster? I dont think Bruce Smith Was 6'7 with a forty inch verticle that is fraking NUTZ

[Komp]

Yah it is pretty hard to compare the two as they play the DE position entirely different. For what it is worth, I would take Mario day in and day out over Gholston.

[d34ng3l021]

Yah it is pretty hard to compare the two as they play the DE position entirely different. For what it is worth, I would take Mario day in and day out over Gholston.

Unless you run a 3-4 right?

That would be my case.

4-3: Mario
3-4: Vernon

Mario's pass rushing ability would be wasted in a 3-4 I think, though he could play end.

[P-L]

Not even comparable. I'd argue that Mario Williams had the greatest combine performance ever, regardless of position.

[Michigan]

Not even comparable. I'd argue that Mario Williams had the greatest combine performance ever, regardless of position.

you mean second right?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0608/galley.nlf.vernondavis/images/0-015779870.jpg

[art vandelay]

you mean second right?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0608/galley.nlf.vernondavis/images/0-015779870.jpg

Gotta love those "all-natural" Maryland freaks.

[keylime_5]

Mario had basically the same stuff as Gholston but he was 6-7/295, not 6-3/266. Mario is closer to Julius Peppers as a prospect, Gholston is closer to Merriman. In other words, Gholston might not even be the best DE prospect in this year's draft, Mario was the best DE prospect since 2002 and still is. That doesn't mean that Gholston won't be as good or potentially better than mario though, and it certainly doesn't mean that Gholston won't go #1 overall too.

[marks01234]

^ I argued Mario Williams was the greatest prospect since Bruce Smith and still believe that. His combine numbers dwarfed Peppers at a year younger with very similar on the field production.

I'd take Mario over Gholston if I was running the 3-4, 4-3 or the wing T offense.

That being said, Gholston combine was very impressive.

[stephenson86]

i would take mario over gholston any day, although gholston looks like a freak

http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-22-FB-0045.jpg

eat your heart out VD

[Sniper]

Mario Williams is already one of the premiere run defense DEs, as well as a guy who can rack up sacks as well. Gholston is very much a one trick pony, so I'll take MW over Gholston.

[Sniper]

i would take mario over gholston any day, although gholston looks like a freak

http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-22-FB-0045.jpg

eat your heart out VD

Vernon Davis>Vernon Gholston

[Santonio10]

Mario Williams is already one of the premiere run defense DEs, as well as a guy who can rack up sacks as well. Gholston is very much a one trick pony, so I'll take MW over Gholston.

That sums it all up right there. I completely agree.

[steel man]

i guess if you want you son to be a freak name then Vernon..Vernon Davis and Vernon Gholston

or should i say if you want you son to be all juiced up and die early then name them Vernon.

[the decider13]

gholston and davis are both freaks lol

That would scare the crap outta me if either was runnin at me lol Hate to be the guy on the other side

[LonghornsLegend]

are people looking at Gholston at 4-3 End and 3-4 OLB, or is he best suited staying as a stand up pass rusher?

[wingboy2999]

i guess if you want you son to be a freak name then Vernon..Vernon Davis and Vernon Gholston

or should i say if you want you son to be all juiced up and die early then name them Vernon.

Or like Mike Vernon

http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/images/vernon.jpg

All 5'9" 170 lbs of him.

[Brent]

or even Jules Vernon, the great vaudevillian performer.

[Sniper]

Williams - 6'7" 295
40 - 4.66
Bench - 35
Vert - 40.5"

Absolutely mind-boggling, especially that vertical jump.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Gholston is a freak. He's not Mario though.

[energizerbunny]

we probably won't see another freak like Mario for another 10 years, even Peppers doesn't compare to what Mario in indy.

[DMWSackMachine]

yeah, Mario was definitely on a whole 'nother plane. Not to belittle how good Gholston looked this year, though.

However, I do have a quibble with the person claiming that Mario would be better in a 4-3 and that VG would be better in a 3-4.

Mario, imho, would be a better player in a 3-4 than he is in Houston's system right now. He is ideally built for a 5 tech defensive end. He's big and strong enough to set the edge and hold up the POA, while still having the speed and penetrating ability required to rush the passer and disrupt plays in the back field. That's not to say that his stats would be better in a 3-4, just that his overall impact would be more pronounced. Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells have both stated that we had him rated #1 on our board going into the 06 draft. He would have been one hell of an addition to our scheme.

[d34ng3l021]

yeah, Mario was definitely on a whole 'nother plane. Not to belittle how good Gholston looked this year, though.

However, I do have a quibble with the person claiming that Mario would be better in a 4-3 and that VG would be better in a 3-4.

Mario, imho, would be a better player in a 3-4 than he is in Houston's system right now. He is ideally built for a 5 tech defensive end. He's big and strong enough to set the edge and hold up the POA, while still having the speed and penetrating ability required to rush the passer and disrupt plays in the back field. That's not to say that his stats would be better in a 3-4, just that his overall impact would be more pronounced. Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells have both stated that we had him rated #1 on our board going into the 06 draft. He would have been one hell of an addition to our scheme.

Iono dawg. Mario seems perfect for a 4-3 scheme. He has the perfect size to be a great run stopper with the ability to rush the passer very well.

He was such a ridiculous prospect. I would be saying this even without being drunk.

[Shiver]

Gholston is, in my opinion, around where Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were coming out. I have a hard time putting him above those guys, although I am sure hindsight plays a part in that. He is good, but Mario Williams was otherworldly. There aren't 290-lbs. Defensive Ends who can rush the passer like Mario Williams very often.

[theogt]

Gholston is, in my opinion, around where Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman were coming out. I have a hard time putting him above those guys, although I am sure hindsight plays a part in that. He is good, but Mario Williams was otherworldly. There aren't 290-lbs. Defensive Ends who can rush the passer like Mario Williams very often.Well, in terms of Combine performance, Ware was head and shoulders above Gholston. But in terms of as an overall prospect, Gholston may be closer because of the level of competition.

[thetedginnshow]

Well, in terms of Combine performance, Ware was head and shoulders above Gholston. But in terms of as an overall prospect, Gholston may be closer because of the level of competition.

Fairly sure Gholston came in bigger than Ware and benched quite a bit more than him, while Ware was faster and more agile. As far as the combine alone goes, they were fairly similar, depending on what you value. But yeah. If you were to factor in where they played and all that, I'm sure Gholston would be considered the more highly rated prospect of the two.

[theogt]

Fairly sure Gholston came in bigger than Ware and benched quite a bit more than him, while Ware was faster and more agile. As far as the combine alone goes, they were fairly similar, depending on what you value. But yeah. If you were to factor in where they played and all that, I'm sure Gholston would be considered the more highly rated prospect of the two.What I do is take every measurable for every player of a specific position and then run a variance testing for that variable in order to come up with a devisor for the variable such that I can reduce it to a number that is comparable across measurements. This way, every measurable is "considered" equally. I then combine each number into a total formula such that you can rank each player based on their "total physical ability." What this does is allows you to compare 40 times or shuttle times or whatever for a player who's 6'5", 260 lbs. to a player who's 6'0", 210 lbs.

When you consider the 'total' performance by Ware and Gholston at the Combine, Gholston is a good bit below Ware, who actually ends up being one of the most "freakish" players ever.

Some time closer to the draft, I'll post the ratings for each player and try to explain better how the ranking works.

[Larry121283]

Better comparison is Shawn Merriman...and I thought Merriman was a better player.

[mqtirishfan]

or even Jules Vernon, the great vaudevillian performer.


Let's not forget Muggle Extraordinaire Vernon Dursley.

[The Legend]

i would take Mario William over him anyday