Corey Williams To Cleveland

[DChess]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/free_agent_update_1.html?nav=rss_blog

supposedly for a 2nd but it could be a third

[saintsfan912]

Vilma to the Saints! That would be so awesome!

[skinzzfan25]

JLC is pretty reliable, as a beat writer for the Redskins I read a lot/all of his work.

[toonsterwu]

WHOA. I like LaCanfora. One of the better beat writers out there, IMO. He's usually pretty fair and solid. This is quite intriguing.

Williams to Cleveland? For what? Btw, DChess, where does it say for a 2nd or 3rd? I don't see it written anywhere in Jason's blog. I can't imagine them settling for a 3rd, but would Cleveland fork over the 2nd for Corey? I guess it's possible. Hadn't really thought about Corey Williams as a 3-4 NT. First thought would be that it works.

[toonsterwu]

Vilma to the Saints! That would be so awesome!

That would really give the Saints a lot more leeway in the draft. They could get aggressive and move up for a DL talent for example.

[princefielder28]

WHOA. I like LaCanfora. One of the better beat writers out there, IMO. He's usually pretty fair and solid. This is quite intriguing.

Williams to Cleveland? For what? Btw, DChess, where does it say for a 2nd or 3rd? I don't see it written anywhere in Jason's blog. I can't imagine them settling for a 3rd, but would Cleveland fork over the 2nd for Corey? I guess it's possible. Hadn't really thought about Corey Williams as a 3-4 NT. First thought would be that it works.

It's been discussed in the Free Agent thread and it would be for a 2nd and Corey would have to play DE

[Thunder&Lightning]

If the saints got Vilma and he is 100% healthy...wow...wow there D would be reborn.

[DChess]

WHOA. I like LaCanfora. One of the better beat writers out there, IMO. He's usually pretty fair and solid. This is quite intriguing.

Williams to Cleveland? For what? Btw, DChess, where does it say for a 2nd or 3rd? I don't see it written anywhere in Jason's blog. I can't imagine them settling for a 3rd, but would Cleveland fork over the 2nd for Corey? I guess it's possible. Hadn't really thought about Corey Williams as a 3-4 NT. First thought would be that it works.

thats the buzz around cleveland insiders and people around the organization. im 90% its going to be a second.

also if savage is willing to deal his whole first day away that may imply that we're shipping DA off

[Geo]

The Browns' second round pick leads the bottom third of the round, nonetheless that's still a valuable pick. Certainly an interesting move to make, and a fantastic decision by Ted Thompson of the Packers to franchise Williams.

[toonsterwu]

It's been discussed in the Free Agent thread and it would be for a 2nd and Corey would have to play DE

I think that's a mistake. I'd put Williams first at NT personally.

[Geo]

I think the Browns have it right if they play him at DE, as opposed to NT. That's not his game.

[Flyboy]

Vilma to the Saints! That would be so awesome!

*is praying*

[bearsfan_51]

Meanwhile the Bears get a big bag of air for Berrian.

*Sigh*

What are you doing Jerry?

[757Dawg]

Flyboy,

Is that Bree Olson in your sig? One of my favorites. By far.....

And as a Browns fan, I like the trade...if it goes down. Getting a sure fire starter of Williams' caliber for a later 2nd rounder is A-Okay with me.

[BamaFalcon59]

Hey, people don't complain. It could be worse, you could be a Falcons fan.

[toonsterwu]

I'd rather see him tried at NT first. I think we've gotten so stuck on the idea that a 3-4 NT has to fit certain parameters. What is Corey right now anyways? 320 right? That's more than fine. I like his hand use and power, leg drive, pad level, and ability to stack. I like his quickness as well for the nose position. We're so stuck on the idea that the nose should just occupy. I want the nose to be able to contain, leverage, drive, and push (preferably explode). Granted, it's hard to find someone that can do it all, and within a short span.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good 3-4 end. He could be an excellent 3-4 end. He has the arm length that I like, and the above attributes hold well for 3-4 ends as well. But top 3-4 NT's are hard to find, and I think Corey has all the attributes to be able to be a top 3-4 NT. I would at least try him there before fully putting him at 3-4 end, but that's me.

[D-Unit]

So the Browns won't have a pick on Day 1. That's no fun. :D

[saintsfan912]

http://footballgab.com/?p=7459

Found this on another board. Don't know what to think about it. I know it isn't pertaining to Corey Williams or the Browns, just didn't feel this deserved its own topic haha.

[mqtirishfan]

I really don't see how he could possibly play as a NT in a 3-4. He's much more effective as a 4-3 UT.

[757Dawg]

So the Browns won't have a pick on Day 1. That's no fun. :D

IMO, it's a foregone conclusion DA is gone. That, of course, means a 1st and 3rd if we choose to let him sign elsewhere.

[toonsterwu]

http://footballgab.com/?p=7459

Found this on another board. Don't know what to think about it. I know it isn't pertaining to Corey Williams or the Browns, just didn't feel this deserved its own topic haha.

If the Saints could land Shockey, that'd be huge. That said, I expect the Giants would ask for a lot more than the Saints are probably willing. Just a guess, though.

[49ersfan_87]

Meanwhile the Bears get a big bag of air for Berrian.

*Sigh*

What are you doing Jerry?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/816974,CST-SPT-bear28.article


It's unknown how much room the Bears have to improve that offer for Berrian, who is expected to be courted by the Minnesota Vikings. It's also unclear whether Berrian and agent Drew Rosenhaus will be able to get another team -- the Cleveland Browns, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers also are thought to be interested -- to meet his asking price, which probably would require a signing bonus of more than $12 million.


I like Berrian, but i don't know if its wise to pay him that much.

[toonsterwu]

IMO, it's a foregone conclusion DA is gone. That, of course, means a 1st and 3rd if we choose to let him sign elsewhere.

I'm just not sure who's going to make this move? The Bears? Nah. The Dolphins rumors? That just seems odd ... and it depends on them getting the trade with Dallas first (based on those rumors). Fins have a lot more needs.
Vikings? Perhaps ... they have an extra third, or they could compromise.

Then again, if we knew all, there'd be no surprises.

[saintsfan912]

If the Saints could land Shockey, that'd be huge. That said, I expect the Giants would ask for a lot more than the Saints are probably willing. Just a guess, though.

You think so considering how much both parties hate each other? I bet Eli wouldn't miss him a bit haha.

[TitleTown088]

and a fantastic decision by Ted Thompson of the Packers to franchise Williams.

One of many. I'm telling you the man is already a top five GM in the NFL... I said Williams was trade bait from the day he was franchised.

Here's more on it. I think it's more of a rumor as thus far, but will likely happen. Way to keep him outta the NFC Teddy! http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=364602

[toonsterwu]

Value is value. I can't see Reese selling low. But who knows. My guess would be a 2nd rounder would be what he wants (I'm guessing Vilma might cost the third).

we'll know soon enough.

[GB12]

I hate having a conversation in two different threads, I wish I saw this one first.
I'd rather see him tried at NT first. I think we've gotten so stuck on the idea that a 3-4 NT has to fit certain parameters. What is Corey right now anyways? 320 right? That's more than fine. I like his hand use and power, leg drive, pad level, and ability to stack. I like his quickness as well for the nose position. We're so stuck on the idea that the nose should just occupy. I want the nose to be able to contain, leverage, drive, and push (preferably explode). Granted, it's hard to find someone that can do it all, and within a short span.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good 3-4 end. He could be an excellent 3-4 end. He has the arm length that I like, and the above attributes hold well for 3-4 ends as well. But top 3-4 NT's are hard to find, and I think Corey has all the attributes to be able to be a top 3-4 NT. I would at least try him there before fully putting him at 3-4 end, but that's me.

Anyway, like I said in the FA thread I think Williams is a great fit in a 3-4. I've been thinking for a while now that he'd be a good 3-4 DE. You bring up an interesting point for NT, which could be a possibility I guess. I'm sure Romeo Crennel and his staff will make it an easy transition for Williams to his new position, whatever it ends up being.

I like the trade for both sides. Cleveland gets a proven player (even if it's not in that scheme) who's better than any DL that'd be available to them at their pick. Green Bay gets another second for a player who while a good contributor to our defense is expandable with Pickett, Jolly, Harrell, and Cole on the roster.

[Geo]

I like Berrian, but i don't know if its wise to pay him that much.
I think 51's point is that they should have franchised Berrian for 08, to either keep him for a year, still sign him long-term, or trade him away for a 2nd/3rd round pick if another team was willing.

[TitleTown088]

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I like Berrian, but i don't know if its wise to pay him that much.

Correct me if I'm wrong BF51. But 49erfan, I'm pretty sure he was referring to Jerry's not franchising and then trading Berrian?

[49ersfan_87]

I think 51's point is that they should have franchised Berrian for 08, to either keep him for a year, still sign him long-term, or trade him away for a 2nd/3rd round pick if another team was willing.

Correct me if I'm wrong BF51. But 49erfan, I'm pretty sure he was referring to Jerry's not franchising and then trading Berrian?

Ah, i misread it. Sorry, my mistake.

[WMD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Williams_%28football_player%29

"It is rumored however that the Cleveland Browns have gotten Williams in exchange for their 2008 2nd round pick. THE STEELERS STILL SUCK"

[neko4]

is this true yet, im making a mock right now and just got to the cleveland 2nd round pick

[GB12]

One of many. I'm telling you the man is already a top five GM in the NFL... I said Williams was trade bait from the day he was franchised.

Here's more on it. I think it's more of a rumor as thus far, but will likely happen. Way to keep him outta the NFC Teddy! http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=364602

I've said it since before the day he was franchised. I was the first to bring up the idea of franchising him at all, and franchise and trading him, on here or in the media. I don't normally brag like this, but I'm feeling proud at the moment.:p

[neko4]

seems like the browns are becoming the new redskins, trading away their first to picks

[steelernation77]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Williams_%28football_player%29

"It is rumored however that the Cleveland Browns have gotten Williams in exchange for their 2008 2nd round pick. THE STEELERS STILL SUCK"

still eh? those zany browns fans and their head trauma...

[umphrey]

Great trade for us. I really expect it's a 2nd because if it was a 3rd we would have waited, I'm sure TT would wait all the way to draft day if needed.

I agree with the people that don't like him as a NT. He's a penetrating tackle, we got rid of him because he plays too much like an end already.

[WinslowBodden]

seems like the browns are becoming the new redskins, trading away their first to picks

Except for we dont throw picks and money at crappy players recently...

Would you rather trade for a proven player thats young or draft an unproven player thats young?

I'll go with the guy who proved himself.

[TimD]

Wow Vilma to the Saints? Who would the Jets get in return? Do the Saints have a premier NT, OL, or DE/OLB Tweener? If they trade him for a pick it should be at least a 2nd because he's pro bowl talent.

[TitleTown088]

Except for we dont throw picks and money at crappy players recently...

Would you rather trade for a proven player thats young or draft an unproven player thats young?

I'll go with the guy who proved himself.
Yeah, I actually reallyreally like this move by the Browns. Both parties benefited.

[757Dawg]

seems like the browns are becoming the new redskins, trading away their first to picks

That's a terrible comparison. Until we start dishing out huge money deals and draft picks for mediocrity on a routine basis, we're in no way similar to the Redskins.

[GB12]

Wow Vilma to the Saints? Who would the Jets get in return? Do the Saints have a premier NT, OL, or DE/OLB Tweener? If they trade him for a pick it should be at least a 2nd because he's pro bowl talent.
No, no, and no.

[toonsterwu]

I think the Jets would be looking for picks and not talent. A high 2nd may be wishful. Simply because Vilma's health history is going to blunt the value a bit.

The only player on the Saints that I could possibly see as a match would be Charles Grant as a 3-4 end, but considering his off-field concerns right now, I don't really see that (and that'd be one heck of a get out of jail card for the Saints - clearing Grant's salary, adding a LB).

Short of it is, I expect a pick, and I think an early 3rd is probably a good return. We'll know soon enough if it's true, and if so, what.

[Geo]

Grant isn't feasible, the Saints signed him to a 7-year/$63M contract less than a year ago with $20M guaranteed.

[saintsfan912]

I wouldn't mind dealing him for Grant. Def. help us out salary wise. Then maybe signing Kearse to take his spot. I know he's not what he used to be but he can still put some pressure.

Damn, forgot about Grant's guaranteed money. That sucks. Maybe he can start playing like a 20 mil guaranteed player.

[bearsfan_51]

One of many. I'm telling you the man is already a top five GM in the NFL... I said Williams was trade bait from the day he was franchised.
I've liked Ted Thompson almost from the very beginning, but I think the Packers are going to have to at least make a Superbowl to put that mantle on him. The fact that Favre is still their most important player is a bit of a tarnish on that as well considering that TT obviously had nothing to do with that.

[toonsterwu]

I don't actually expect Grant to be moved, but unless I'm mistaken, Grant actually has an option bonus coming up, so if they did want to move him, with his poor production, off-field concerns, and Will Smith needing a big deal soon, I was under the impression it would be now.

Although maybe I have the bonus year wrong. Could be next year.

[bearsfan_51]

That Grant signing was terrible at the time. That money should have been saved for Will Smith.

[toonsterwu]

That Grant signing was terrible at the time. That money should have been saved for Will Smith.

Horrible? I'd hardly call it that. DE's got paid big money, and when they signed, he'd come off a 6 sack year, which for a guy his size, isn't bad. He'd also started his career with 7, 10, 10.5, 2.5 sacks. Overall, good production, and their lack of an interior push perhaps was a motivating factor (don't remember exactly).

[bearsfan_51]

Horrible? I'd hardly call it that. DE's got paid big money, and when they signed, he'd come off a 6 sack year, which for a guy his size, isn't bad. He'd also started his career with 7, 10, 10.5, 2.5 sacks. Overall, good production, and their lack of an interior push perhaps was a motivating factor (don't remember exactly).
I callled it terrible, not horrible.;)

6 sacks?? 6 SACKS!?!?!!

That should get you benched, not a 20 mil bonus.

[TitleTown088]

I've liked Ted Thompson almost from the very beginning, but I think the Packers are going to have to at least make a Superbowl to put that mantle on him. The fact that Favre is still their most important player is a bit of a tarnish on that as well considering that TT obviously had nothing to do with that.

Yeah, I can see you point there but there is no denying how savy he really has become. I think time will show(as it is beginning to) that he is an elite GM.

BTW did Emmit Smith really say that?

[bearsfan_51]

Yeah, I can see you point there but there is no denying how savy he really has become. I think time will show(as it is beginning to) that he is an elite GM.

BTW did Emmit Smith really say that?
Well it sounded like rice....I wouldn't put it past him. There is a youtube clip somewhere.

[Geo]

I think that's the same rice they throw at weddings. Rice of passage.

As for Williams, I wonder what the long-term deal the Browns will sign him to will be.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

The way things have been going, 8 mill a year...

[saintsfan912]

Browns fans better hope they don't give him a Tommy Kelley deal, haha.

[Geo]

Schefter confirms the trade, it seems.

[49ersfan_87]

I wonder what kind of deal he would sign.

Isaac Sopoaga and Jay Ratliff, both 3-4 DL, signed similar contracts (5 years, 20 million). Id say corey williams is probably better than both, but how much of an increase of those two deals would he be looking at? 30, 40 million total?

[Nitschke-Hawk]

I'll make an official guess:

6 years $48 million, $18 Million guaranteed

[TitleTown088]

Schefter confirms the trade, it seems.
Muy Bein!
I'm going to look so stupid for asking this, but how the heck does one find these breaking reports from NFL.com.(Schefter in particular). I can't figure that damn site out because in electronic terms I'm the one that flew over the cuckoo's nest.

Also, how stupid does the Justin Harrell pick look now?

[The Legend]

so browns will not have 1st day pick i hope we get someone good

[TitleTown088]

Upon acquiring DE Corey Williams from the Packers, FOXSports' Jay Glazer reports the Browns will sign him to a "lucrative, long-term deal."
Williams should be on the phone thanking Al Davis for setting the market outrageously high with the deal he gave Tommy Kelly. Unlike Kelly, Williams is coming off a healthy season. He's also been much more productive.
Source: FOXSports.com Locking him up, obviously.

[bearsfan_51]

Muy Bein!
I'm going to look so stupid for asking this, but how the heck does one find these breaking reports from NFL.com.(Schefter in particular). I can't figure that damn site out because in electronic terms I'm the one that flew over the cuckoo's nest.

Also, how stupid does the Justin Harrell pick look now?
Untill he actually does something you can't say otherwise.

I said Leon Hall to the Packers last year, and still think that would have been the best move. Hall would have helped them much more in the playoffs, and they could focus on DT depth in this draft and have more options than having to key on corners for the future.

[The Legend]

Locking him up, obviously.

that Tommy Kelly deal is going to mess things up next year for bears and Tommie Harris hes gonna want big money

[TitleTown088]

Well, it's official. Also, this could answer your question about the deal.

that Tommy Kelly deal is going to mess things up next year for bears and Tommie Harris hes gonna want big money

Browns acquired DL Corey Williams from the Packers in exchange for a second-round pick.
Green Bay gets the No. 56 pick overall. Williams, 27, has been a gap-shooter in the Packers' scheme, but at 6'4/315, has enough size to take on blockers as well. He'll get a long-term deal from Cleveland that's likely close to the $50 million pact Tommy Kelly signed with Oakland. The Browns' defensive line adds a lot of talent with the move, but the team is left without a first- or second-round pick in April. The Pack made out very well.

[Flyboy]

Where'd you get that from, TT?

[bearsfan_51]

rotoworld.com

[TitleTown088]

Where'd you get that from, TT?

Ha, sorry. Rotoworld.

[Flyboy]

Ha, sorry. Rotoworld.\

No worries. I'm just looking for a site that officially confirms the Vilma trade.

[LonghornsLegend]

Can anybody give me a quick run by on Williams? I dont know much about him, and if he's a guy who is expected to be a playmaker...Also is it a good move for both teams.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

Can anybody give me a quick run by on Williams? I dont know much about him, and if he's a guy who is expected to be a playmaker...Also is it a good move for both teams.

It's an outstanding deal for Green Bay. I'm a big fan of Corey. We are just happy that because we put the franchise tag on him it allowed us to get as high as a 2nd round pick for him and we can use our four first day picks to strengthen our weaknesses through the draft or trade for a vet. DT is in the top 3 of our strongest positions. Instead of letting Corey Williams walk in free agency, we can get a 2nd rounder for him and let him walk and it just so happens we are really strong at DT so it's an outstanding, trend setting deal. Other teams will try this in the future I guarantee it. Corey Williams as a player: I'm a big fan, he became one of my favorite Packers this year. He will play End in their 3-4 and will make his money as a pass rusher. He's had 14 sacks over the last 2 seasons and will be most effective when they rush Wimbley as well in their 4 down nickel package. The Browns won't get a lineman as good as Williams with that pick. While it risky to give these picks up, if Corey solidifies their D Line it's well worth a 2nd rounder.

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/photographer/16/16802_large.jpg

After the loss to the Giants he took a few minutes on the field by himself because he knew it may be his last game with the Packers.

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From John Clayton espn.com

"Plenty of trades are expected to be announced Friday. The Packers traded franchise defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Browns for a second-round choice. Williams is expected to sign a six-year, $38 million contract. "

[Sveen]

This means Cleveland has no day 1 draft picks right? Well, that can obviously change with Derek Anderson though.

[neko4]

This means Cleveland has no day 1 draft picks right? Well, that can obviously change with Derek Anderson though.
i thought they still had a 3rd

[Sveen]

Day 1 is only two rounds now you know ;)

[SaintsFanForLife]

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, Williams will receive $18 million in guaranteed money and $23 million over the first three years of his contract.

The Browns gave up a second-round pick to get Williams.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, Williams will receive $18 million in guaranteed money and $23 million over the first three years of his contract.

The Browns gave up a second-round pick to get Williams.

I'll make an official guess:

6 years $48 million, $18 Million guaranteed

I hit the years and guaranteed $ on the head but I guess I was 10 million too high in value.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I saw that not a bad call on the contract.

[drowe]

well, i like this trade for both teams. the browns get a great young player that can step in immediately (which is more than they probably would've gotten with that draft pick) and the packers were 6 deep at DT, so they'd be foolish NOT to trade somebody. good trade all around.

[Dam8610]

IMO, it's a foregone conclusion DA is gone. That, of course, means a 1st and 3rd if we choose to let him sign elsewhere.

I doubt any team is going to fork over that much in compensation. That said, is an RFA tender like a franchise tag in that teams can work out different levels of compensation than specified by the rules? If so, he could get a 1st or high 2nd.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

I like this deal a lot for Corey, the Tommy Kelly deal didn't effect this, and he doesn't have to live up to ridiculous expectations of a huge deal. This is an extremely fair contract for both sides.

[saintsfan912]

I doubt any team is going to fork over that much in compensation. That said, is an RFA tender like a franchise tag in that teams can work out different levels of compensation than specified by the rules? If so, he could get a 1st or high 2nd.

There are 4 different RFA tenders. Not sure the exact numbers but each carries a different pick compensation.

[Sveen]

$2.562 million First- and third-round
$2.017 million First-round
$1.417 million Second-round
$927,000 Determined by RFA's original draft status

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent

[keylime_5]

Yes, this trade worked out great for both parties so far. Green Bay can add a nice young prospect with the 56th overall pick, and the Browns get a very good young DT to play left end in their 3-4 which fills their biggest need by far.

[ny10804]

Is there a cap penalty for trading a big-money player in exchange for a draft pick? If not, Madden once again falls short.

[GB12]

Is there a cap penalty for trading a big-money player in exchange for a draft pick? If not, Madden once again falls short.
Williams' contract was the Franchise Tag which doesn't include a signing bonus so there is no penalty.

[The Legend]

Browns Draft
Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round (Sea)
Late 7th Round

thats pretty bad

[Geo]

I guess it's how you look at it. The premise of the offseason, in terms of free agency and the Draft, is talent acquisition. For the Browns, they have the cap space and the willingness to pull the trigger on acquiring experienced players in the league.

[LonghornsLegend]

Browns Draft
Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round (Sea)
Late 7th Round

thats pretty bad

Well they did pick up two defensive players still in their 20's, and their offense is already at the top half of the league, so i wouldnt be concerned about the picks...Although, with no picks in the first 3 rounds, I would of been trying to shop Anderson for his tender.

[DChess]

its not about th picks. its about our quarterback situation. if we want to go further with anderson we are going to put vets around him and see what he can really do. if we draft players that take a couple years to develop then you wont get a good understanding of da as a qb. with quinn waiting in the wings we wanna see what da can do with a solid team before we make a franchise descion and go to quinn

[Geo]

Last year, the work and the investment that went into the offensive line, capped off by the drafting of Joe Thomas, paid off and the Browns offense exploded because of it. Edwards, Winslow, and Lewis are big reasons for success, but don't overlook the importance of Cleveland's OL imo in making Anderson look as good as he did. They definitely deserve credit for the offense finally living up to potential.

Maybe the Browns aim to do the same thing this year, with the defensive line. Plus with a 3-4, a lot of success is predicated on the effectiveness of the front three.

[DawgBone]

I really doubt teams will be able to run on us as easy with:
Shaun Smith 6'2 325
Shaun Rogers 6'4 360
Corey Williams 6'4 320

As apposed to last year with:
Robaire Smith
Shaun Smith
Orpheous Roye

Savage knows you win in the trenches.

[Dam8610]

Browns Draft
Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round (Sea)
Late 7th Round

thats pretty bad

Not as bad as the Browns' draft history up until recently...

[HoopsDemon12]

I really doubt teams will be able to run on us as easy with:
Shaun Smith 6'2 325
Shaun Rogers 6'4 360
Corey Williams 6'4 320

As apposed to last year with:
Robaire Smith
Shaun Smith
Orpheous Roye

Savage knows you win in the trenches.

Ya that line is really good, if rodgers come to play he can dominate. Im just realyl hoping this is the trade that lights his fires

[DiG]

Browns Draft
Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round (Sea)
Late 7th Round

thats pretty bad

actually

Rd 1 - Brady Quinn
Rd 2 - Corey Williams
Rd 3 - Shaun Rogers
Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round Late 4th Round
Late 6th Round (Sea)
Late 7th Round

id be pretty pleased with that as a browns fan.

[DawgBone]

I dont mind losing our picks one bit.

We gauranteed instant upgrades, something the draft cannot do.

[Twiddler]

I dont mind losing our picks one bit.

We gauranteed instant upgrades, something the draft cannot do.

Well, there isn't anything guaranteeing that Rodgers and Williams will be great successes in Cleveland. Brady Quinn for that matter too. I'm not saying that these are bad trades for the Browns, because I think they all are good deals one way or another but only time will tell if they were the right moves and if they resulted in instant upgrades.

[DawgBone]

Williams said in his press conference that he couldnt wait to get out of Green Bay. When they asked him why he said that topic was for another day. He mentioned he was really dissapointed when he was tendered becaue he didnt want to play for that team anymore.

Any clue what this was about Green Bay fans?

[neko4]

i have no idea, because last month he said he liked Green Bay

[princefielder28]

Williams said in his press conference that he couldnt wait to get out of Green Bay. When they asked him why he said that topic was for another day. He mentioned he was really dissapointed when he was tendered becaue he didnt want to play for that team anymore.

Any clue what this was about Green Bay fans?

He was just talking stupid....right after the Giants game he said how much he would love to be a part of this organization and stay in Green Bay

[DawgBone]

He was just talking stupid....right after the Giants game he said how much he would love to be a part of this organization and stay in Green Bay

Isnt that what your supposed to say when your on a great team and you dont want to disrupt it?