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Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 02:24 AM
So I'm thinking, we have OL Woes, but is anyone going to be able to step in immediately?

I'm figuring that Albert and Williams Realistically can go pre-20 pick overall and I've just been thinking of what to do in that sense.

I'm thinking we sign:

Max Starks (LT) ~ Starter at LT.
Jacob Bell (LG/C) ~ Start either LG(Colon/Stapleton @ C) or C (Simmons/Colon/Kemo battle for starting spots)
Randy Starks (DE) ~ Starter at RDE, Keisel drops to 275 as a passrusher/Jumbo OLB.

With Albert/Williams off the board, we trade down with Green Bay to maximize our draft choices.



1) Quentin Groves, ROLB, Auburn ~ 6'3" 260lbs 4.57

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/37/378298.jpg

Groves impressed me. I knew he had natural speed, but with long arms and the strength to throw up 30 reps. We haven't had an elite speedy edge rusher since Lloyd left. Groves needs to work on playing the run a bit better and who better to learn from than the best run stuffing 3-4 OLB in the game? He's being compared Widely to DeMarcus Ware for that elite explosion. With a year to learn LeBeaus scheme he could be a monster. With Albert/Williams gone, Otah being as raw, and as good an athlete as Groves around, have to get him. 3 LBs in the first two rounds of the past 2 years may appall some people, but we added Starks and Bell in FA. He looked too stiff to play 3-4 OLB, but he's pretty fluid but after a year in the scheme, Woodley and Groves on the edge will be the best set of passrushers in the league (Pretty bold, but I'm hardpressed to find any better duo's.. Osi+Kiwi? Jenkins+Kampmann?)

Groves blows past Kansas State LT

Groves has strength too!



2) Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech ~ 5'9 6/8" 183lbs 4.58

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Flowers is definitely faster than his 40 time would indicate on field. He came in a little smaller than expected. But you won't find a more physical corner in the NCAA. Some say his counterpart Macho Harris is. Though I'd like to have both (adding Harris in 2009), right now we need Brandon. He's basically the better DeShea. Fast, great hands, physical, explosive, 3 year knowledge of zone coverage and willing to play the run.

Brandon Flowers, master of "Hit and run"

He really loves to hit

More Flowers




3a) Red Bryant, LDE/NT, Texas A&M ~ 6'4 1/8" 318lbs 4.98

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Bryant is a big, physical and fast defensive lineman. He has the size to play 3-4 DE and 3-4 NT. He's a run stuffing presence who reminds me of Aaron Smith. When Smith was injured this past season, our defense, specifically run defense fell apart. Same at Texas A&M. He missed 5 games and their Rushing yards per game average ballooned from 75.35 ypg to 229.2 ypg. Freshman year teams averaged 1.85 yards per carry when the play was directed at him, As a Senior that number has dropped to .63 yards. I think getting him on the edge at strongside DE will allow him to utilize his strength and also equally important, his athleticism. I have dreams of Woodley, Smith and Bryant manning up the strong side of this defense. Not to mention he can play 4-3 NT as a pass rusher, allowing Hoke/Starks to play the 3 Tech while Keisel and Smith man the edges.


3b) Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State ~ 6'2 5/8" 217lbs 4.48

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/nfl/10/16/risers.sliders/p1_nelson.jpg

Nelson is a bit of an enigma. Just watching him play I like the idea of using him as the future behind Hines Ward. He's bigger, physical, Can play St's, is above average speed wise, and has great hands/body control. Whats not to like? Also has a cannon of an arm.

Jordy Nelson Destroys Aqib Talib

Jordy Nelson destroying everyone else

Jordy Nelson catches EVERYTHING

He can return Kicks too!!!! (Against Texas as well)

4) Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt ~ 6'2" 245lbs 4.63

http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/files/images/FBS14.inline.jpg

Goff is a downhill ILB with solid coverage speed and good size inside the 3-4. He knows how to defeat blocks and make plays like he would have to in a 3-4 because he has really no talent in front of him. He needs to add lower body bulk, but he looks like Farrior. Sideline to sideline speed, shrugging off OL and just the way he hits the QB.

Jon Goff Likes to hit people Too



5a) Jeremy Zuttah, G/C, Rutgers ~ 6'3 2/8" 303lbs 4.99

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/cheroux/SuckerPunch.jpg

Athletic and very strong RT from Rutgers who is being looked at as a G/C product. At this point we have Mahan, Simmons, Colon, Kemo, Bell and Stapleton inside. Bell could take LT if Zuttah/Staple are ready. Bell could take C and let Simmons @ LG & Colon/Kemo at RG. Gotta keep building the OL.


5b) Dexter Jackson, WR/RS, Appalachian State ~ 5' 9 2/8" 185lbs 4.37



Dexter is a kid that can catch anything. He has the potential to be an elite returner. He's also a pretty talented WR. The more I watch him, I see Welker. Small, quick, great burst off the snap, great hands. good routes and the ability to cut in and out of routes very quickly

Speed, Hands and 6 points!


6) Curtis Johnson, OLB, Clark Atlanta ~ 6'2 5/8" 242lbs 4.69

Curtis Johnson

Johnson is a guy that I've only read about, but everything I've read has been positive. Strong, athletic, but raw. I think In our system he could play behind Woodley and develop to be a pass rushing specialist.

Johnson is perhaps one of the biggest sleepers in this year’s draft. He was not considered a prospect after last season but has burst out of the gate with 18 TFL and 9.5 sacks. When watching him you notice his high motor and how it never stops. He is an effort player who loves to play the game. He has shown tremendous pursuit, field awareness, and a knack for creating turnovers. His athletic ability will get him to the NFL but his speed, motor, and ability on special teams will be what helps him make it. His lack of ideal height for a DE will hurt him but his speed could help him move to OLB.



UDFA:

Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa ~ 6'1 2/8" 208lbs 4.94

Jehuu Caulcrick, RB, Michigan State ~ 6'0 254lbs 4.7 (Lose 10-20 lbs and get in the 4.5s)

Alley Broussard, RB, Missouri Southern ~ 6'0 234lbs 4.65

Mike Peterson, FB/TE, Northwest Missouri State ~ 6'2 245lbs 4.52

Mike Mulligan, TE, Maine ~ 6'5 262lbs 4.82

Andrew Bain, G/C, Miami ~ 6'3 2/8" 325lbs 5.02

DeMetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State ~ 6'5 303lbs 4.97 (only 18)

J.T. Mapu, LDE, Tennessee ~ 6'3 295lbs 5.08

Bryan Mattison, RDE, Iowa ~ 6'2 7/8" 290lbs 4.07

Derek Lokey, NT/SYFB/DE/LS, Texas ~ 6'2 298lbs 5.01

Titus Brown, LOLB, Mississippi State ~ 6'2 4/8" 246lbs 4.72

Andy Studebaker, ROLB, Wheaton ~ 6'3 255lbs 4.55

Jeremy Leman, LILB, Illinois ~ 6'1 248lbs 4.80

Anthony Hoke, RILB, Cincinnati ~ 6'1 234lbs 4.57

Brandon Carr, CB, Grand Valley State ~ 6'0 205lbs 4.44

Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State ~ 5'10 192lbs 4.32

Haruki "Kamikaze" Nakamura ~ 5'10 196lbs 4.45 (My favorite player in the draft)

Chris Hemphill, SS, Central Washington ~ 6'5 235lbs 4.52

steelersfan27
02-29-2008, 12:18 PM
the thought of woodley/ groves is mindbowing, but wouldnt he have to sit behing harrison for a couple years?

Santonio10
02-29-2008, 12:28 PM
the thought of woodley/ groves is mindbowing, but wouldnt he have to sit behing harrison for a couple years?

Yeah for at least a year, and then harrison might eventually move inside to take place of farrior or foote, the opposite of which Timmons takes over for next year. Timmons will probably beat out Foote this year, and then next year harrison will take over for farrior, and then Groves and Woodley would be our OLBs.

OLB: Groves
ILB: Harrison
ILB: Timmons
OLB: Woodley

That looks pretty damn good to me! :)

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 12:29 PM
the thought of woodley/ groves is mindbowing, but wouldnt he have to sit behing harrison for a couple years?

1.

Harrison is 30 and we have no one to replace Farrior at Buck.

While I think Harrison is a Pro-Bowler at ROLB.. I think he could be all pro inside. His strength and tenacious tackling are things Inside Linebakcers are made of.

DeathbyStat
02-29-2008, 12:49 PM
You allways want to trade down. If Albert or Williams isn't there who would you take with our first round pick without trading down and what does your big board look like?


And why will.....

Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State ~ 5'10 192lbs 4.32

Go undrafted?

Jakey
02-29-2008, 12:59 PM
Love it all, except for one thing...NO JORDY NELSONZ!!! :D

I would rather have an Adarious Bowman, DJ Hall, Keenan Burton, Eddie Royal or maybe even Jerome Simpson the kid out of Coastal Carolina.

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 03:57 PM
You allways want to trade down. If Albert or Williams isn't there who would you take with our first round pick without trading down and what does your big board look like?


And why will.....

Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State ~ 5'10 192lbs 4.32

Go undrafted?

Thats where 4 different sites have him ranked.

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 04:00 PM
Love it all, except for one thing...NO JORDY NELSONZ!!! :D

I would rather have an Adarious Bowman, DJ Hall, Keenan Burton, Eddie Royal or maybe even Jerome Simpson the kid out of Coastal Carolina.

What is your issue with Nelson?

He's big, fast, physical, great route runner, great hands and is a KR/PR as well.

He's much better than Bowman and Hall. Burton I'm iffy on.

I don't need Royal because I grabbed Dexter Jackson in 5. Jerome Simpson is a slower Nate Washington. They rave about his hands being so big, but he still drops passes.

What is your issue with Nelson. I've never seen a guy outside of Calvin Johnson make half the catches he does.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6B_VmbiR7o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw&feature=related

Watch those videos and tell me with a straight face that he's not a baller.

More physical and reliable than Bowman.

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 04:05 PM
You allways want to trade down. If Albert or Williams isn't there who would you take with our first round pick without trading down and what does your big board look like?


And why will.....

Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise State ~ 5'10 192lbs 4.32

Go undrafted?

If Albert/Williams aren't there at 23?


1) DRC
2) Keith Rivers
3) Jeff Otah
4) Aqib Talib (FS)
5) Quentin Groves

DeathbyStat
02-29-2008, 07:06 PM
If Albert/Williams aren't there at 23?


1) DRC
2) Keith Rivers
3) Jeff Otah
4) Aqib Talib (FS)
5) Quentin Groves

I guess Cherilus is below Groves?

DeathbyStat
02-29-2008, 07:09 PM
What is your issue with Nelson?

He's big, fast, physical, great route runner, great hands and is a KR/PR as well.

He's much better than Bowman and Hall. Burton I'm iffy on.

I don't need Royal because I grabbed Dexter Jackson in 5. Jerome Simpson is a slower Nate Washington. They rave about his hands being so big, but he still drops passes.

What is your issue with Nelson. I've never seen a guy outside of Calvin Johnson make half the catches he does.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6B_VmbiR7o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw&feature=related

Watch those videos and tell me with a straight face that he's not a baller.

More physical and reliable than Bowman.


Wow Nelson reminds me of Hines.

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 07:29 PM
I guess Cherilus is below Groves?

Who is Cherilus?

Mr. Stiller
02-29-2008, 07:30 PM
Wow Nelson reminds me of Hines.

Faster, Stronger, more natural talent and bigger.

DeathbyStat
02-29-2008, 07:31 PM
Gosder Cherilus

TheWood56
03-01-2008, 12:08 AM
Gosder Cherilus

Personally, I wouldn't touch Cherilus at 23 with a 10ft pole. He's strictly a RT and not worth the selection at 23. I'd rather the "slow" and "short" Brandon Flowers, even though he's probably a 2nd rounder now.

TheWood56
03-01-2008, 12:17 AM
the thought of woodley/ groves is mindbowing, but wouldnt he have to sit behing harrison for a couple years?

If we drafted Groves, he'd sit behind Harrison for a season I'd imagine, then Harrison could shift inside and pair up with Timmons where I'd think he'd just wreak havoc, then Groves would obviously pair up with and play opposite Woodley at ROLB.

Just for the record though, I really like Groves potential and his athleticism, though I'm not 100% sold on him as a pass rusher just yet, and I also question his ability to play the run. I don't know if he's a guy I'd really want at ROLB just becaue I don't feel like he's an elite pass rusher and he's not very stout against the run either. I want a guy who'll wreak havoc and you know will produce week in, week out, season to season, and I'm not sure if he fits that bill. He has all the tools and the potential though, but I just don't quite see it yet. I guess I'd just rather a guy who's a little more stout against the run and who's a little more polished as a pass ruhser.

mikehop05
03-01-2008, 12:42 AM
If we drafted Groves, he'd sit behind Harrison for a season I'd imagine, then Harrison could shift inside and pair up with Timmons where I'd think he'd just wreak havoc, then Groves would obviously pair up with and play opposite Woodley at ROLB.

Just for the record though, I really like Groves potential and his athleticism, though I'm not 100% sold on him as a pass rusher just yet, and I also question his ability to play the run. I don't know if he's a guy I'd really want at ROLB just becaue I don't feel like he's an elite pass rusher and he's not very stout against the run either. I want a guy who'll wreak havoc and you know will produce week in, week out, season to season, and I'm not sure if he fits that bill. He has all the tools and the potential though, but I just don't quite see it yet. I guess I'd just rather a guy who's a little more stout against the run and who's a little more polished as a pass ruhser.

groves has everything ud look at asa prospect...

strength, size, speed, etc.

his lack of play against the run is a concern, but honestly if we pair him up with woodley on the OLB spot... the possibilities are ridiculous

TheWood56
03-01-2008, 01:20 AM
groves has everything ud look at asa prospect...

strength, size, speed, etc.

his lack of play against the run is a concern, but honestly if we pair him up with woodley on the OLB spot... the possibilities are ridiculous

Absolutely. He has all the tools and all the potential to be a great player, but as a pass rusher, he's not as polished as I'd like. I just don't know how he'll deal with LT's at the next level, because he won't be able to just use his athleticism and his natural talent only to beat LT's, he'll need a variety of pass rush moves and he'll need to get a lot better at shedding blocks IMO to be effective. I could certainly live with Groves as I think he could be a great player, but I'm just not 100% sure. He would be great value at 23 though, and he would have a year to sit, learn and improve as a player, as Timmons did. I wouldn't mind it, just saying, I think he has a ways to go to be an effective ROLB at the next level.

Realistically, I don't think we go LB in the 1st anyways, so this is a bit of a moot point IMO.

steelersfan27
03-01-2008, 06:29 PM
Personally, I wouldn't touch Cherilus at 23 with a 10ft pole. He's strictly a RT and not worth the selection at 23. I'd rather the "slow" and "short" Brandon Flowers, even though he's probably a 2nd rounder now.


mayock has him a top 10 pick. if we dont take him at 23 i'll die.

mikehop05
03-01-2008, 06:39 PM
Absolutely. He has all the tools and all the potential to be a great player, but as a pass rusher, he's not as polished as I'd like. I just don't know how he'll deal with LT's at the next level, because he won't be able to just use his athleticism and his natural talent only to beat LT's, he'll need a variety of pass rush moves and he'll need to get a lot better at shedding blocks IMO to be effective. I could certainly live with Groves as I think he could be a great player, but I'm just not 100% sure. He would be great value at 23 though, and he would have a year to sit, learn and improve as a player, as Timmons did. I wouldn't mind it, just saying, I think he has a ways to go to be an effective ROLB at the next level.

Realistically, I don't think we go LB in the 1st anyways, so this is a bit of a moot point IMO.

i really think we go BPA in CB, LB, OL, maybe WR, RB, and DT

TheWood56
03-01-2008, 08:28 PM
i really think we go BPA in CB, LB, OL, maybe WR, RB, and DT

Who knows? Maybe?

TheWood56
03-01-2008, 08:30 PM
mayock has him a top 10 pick. if we dont take him at 23 i'll die.

Are you sure you're thinking of Cherilus and not Clady or something?

mikehop05
03-01-2008, 08:36 PM
Who knows? Maybe?

im saying... in round one we will go BPA out of those positions

imo

steelersfan27
03-01-2008, 10:44 PM
Are you sure you're thinking of Cherilus and not Clady or something?

i was talking about flowers

brat316
03-01-2008, 11:03 PM
I hope u are right on the Joryzzz Nelsonzzz pick and Dexter Jackson.

TheWood56
03-02-2008, 12:59 AM
i was talking about flowers

Oh, I thought you were talking about Cherilus, and I was thinking, why would you die if we didn't select him at 23? But yeah, I love Flowers. He's like my favorite Steelers prospect. I know before the combine Mayock was saying he thinks he's a top 10 talent, but I think after he ran a pretty average forty and measured in at just under 5'10", he won't be any where near a top 10 pick. If we selected him at 23, I honestly wouldn't mind as I love the guy and just love the way he plays, though people reckon he's like a sure 2nd rounder now, but I still reckon he'll go towards the back end of the 1st. I dunno. He certainly didn't wow anyone at the combine, but I think his game film speaks for itself. I just hope when it's all said and done, he's wearing the black and gold at the end of the day. I just think he fits in perfectly with this defense.

TheWood56
03-02-2008, 01:11 AM
im saying... in round one we will go BPA out of those positions

imo

Yeah, I was just saying who knows? They may do that, I dunno. I reckon they'll go BPA at OL, DL or CB though, as I can't really see them selecting a WR, LB or RB at 23. Mendenhall would be the RB I'd want in the 1st if we were to select one, but I'd say there's like a 99% chance he'll be gone by 23. Same goes with Stewart. They'll both be off the board by 23 and I couldn't see them going after Felix Jones or anything in the 1st, as he's really the only other 1st round RB besides McFadden, Mendenhall and Stewart. I also just can't see them going WR in the 1st. If Malcolm Kelly was there at 23 though, depending on how he looks at his pro day and obviously depending on who else is on the board, I'd be tempted to select him. But as I said, I just can't really see them going in that direction either. I don't think they go LB either after selecting LB's in rounds 1 and 2 last year. I dunno, but I just can't see them selecting a RB, LB or WR in the 1st, but that's just my opinion. I could easily see them going OL, DL or CB in the 1st though.

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2008, 08:48 PM
Oh, I thought you were talking about Cherilus, and I was thinking, why would you die if we didn't select him at 23? But yeah, I love Flowers. He's like my favorite Steelers prospect. I know before the combine Mayock was saying he thinks he's a top 10 talent, but I think after he ran a pretty average forty and measured in at just under 5'10", he won't be any where near a top 10 pick. If we selected him at 23, I honestly wouldn't mind as I love the guy and just love the way he plays, though people reckon he's like a sure 2nd rounder now, but I still reckon he'll go towards the back end of the 1st. I dunno. He certainly didn't wow anyone at the combine, but I think his game film speaks for itself. I just hope when it's all said and done, he's wearing the black and gold at the end of the day. I just think he fits in perfectly with this defense.

5'9 183lbs 4.58

steelersfan27
03-02-2008, 11:37 PM
any chance he falls to 2.23?

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2008, 11:59 PM
any chance he falls to 2.23?

I'm hoping.

TheWood56
03-03-2008, 12:36 AM
I'm hoping.

Me too, but I really doubt it.

Mr. Stiller
03-03-2008, 05:01 AM
Me too, but I really doubt it.

Me too, which is why I did a diff mock on SCI.

TheWood56
03-03-2008, 05:47 AM
Me too, which is why I did a diff mock on SCI.

Me too, whoops, didn't need to type that, but I'll go have a look. :)