Prospect Comparisons

[nvot9]

Actually a little shocked there's not a thread for this already, the visual comparisons doesn't count. I've been really wondering about some of the comparisons as far as the pass-rushers go (3-4 OLB's) for the Jets sake. I'm not too good at these myself, perhaps I'll post some later...anyone got any?

[neko4]

Vernon Gholston=Mike Vrabel? Vrabel isnt the athlete but i believe Gholston broke his sack record at Ohio St right? Not much of a good comparison though

[BaLLiN]

although im pretty sure we've done this more than twice before, i'll put in my 2 cents.

Brandon Flowers-Brian Dawkins

Rashard Mendenhall-Deuce McAlister

Matt Ryan-Matt Hasselbeck

all 3 are 100% original.

[BamaFalcon59]

Jonathan Stewart- Michael Turner

[CaliPanthers420]

Kevin Smith - Joseph Addai
Matt Ryan - Ben Roethlisburger (to a degree)

[JagHombre22]

I think Chad Henne is more of a Roethlisberger

[Thunder&Lightning]

Steve Slaton - Kevin Faulk
Joe Flacco - Derek Anderson

[jballa838]

Jordy Nelson - Jerry Rice

[619]

Matt Ryan more of a Philip Rivers type.

[Thunder&Lightning]

Matt Ryan more of a Philip Rivers type.

only thing that separates those 2 are there arms.

[neko4]

Andre Woodson=Big Ben
Colt Brennan=Chad Pennington (Before injury)/Phillip Rivers
JD Booty=Jeff Garcia

[619]

only thing that separates those 2 are there arms.

Actually very similar arm strength.

[BaLLiN]

Jonathan Stewart- Michael Turner

hey, i said that one!

[BaLLiN]

Actually very similar arm strength.

doesnt phillips throw awkwardly, and ryan doesn't?

[Tobzilla]

Matt Ryan more of a Philip Rivers type.

I'd say Brohm is more comparable to Rivers

[A Perfect Score]

Matt Ryan- Phillip Rivers
Jon Stewart- Jamal Lewis
Chris Johnson- Michael Bennet
Brian Brohm- Chad Pennington (Pre-Injury)
Kevin Smith- Deuce McAllister


Those are just some for now

[Halsey]

Josh Johnson is Michael Vick minus 2 tenths of second in the 40 and plus about 50 points of IQ.

A healthy Glenn Dorsey = Tommie Harris?

Jake Long = Jamaal Brown or maybe a better Jordan Gross?

[art vandelay]

Chevis Jackson - Tanard Jackson

[thetedginnshow]

Shawn Crable - LT

[keylime_5]

Vernon Gholston=Mike Vrabel? Vrabel isnt the athlete but i believe Gholston broke his sack record at Ohio St right? Not much of a good comparison though

I believe he tied it. There's a great chance that Vrabel and Vernon could be New England's starting OLBs next season. But Vernon is more like Shawne Merrman than Mike.

[nobodyinparticular]

Matt Ryan more of a Philip Rivers type.

Matt Ryan seems to have a much better arm that Rivers.

[nobodyinparticular]

I believe he tied it. There's a great chance that Vrabel and Vernon could be New England's starting OLBs next season. But Vernon is more like Shawne Merrman than Mike.

That's what I was thinking. I honestly see a little bit of a mix of Manny Lawson and Merriman together in Gholston. He's lean and quick like Lawson, but not on the same level as fast as him, but he's stronger than Lawson but not as ridiculously physical as Merriman.

[nobodyinparticular]

Josh Johnson is Michael Vick minus 2 tenths of second in the 40 and plus about 50 points of IQ.

A healthy Glenn Dorsey = Tommie Harris?

Jake Long = Jamaal Brown or maybe a better Jordan Gross?

Alex Barron?

[neko4]

Josh Johnson is Michael Vick minus 2 tenths of second in the 40 and plus about 50 points of IQ.


A partially disagree here. Johnson has less of a cannon, but appears to be more accurate

[A Perfect Score]

the josh johnson/mike vick comparisons are acutally very bad...they are not similar at all.

vick relied heavily on his athleticism to help him succeed, and not to mention he had a cannon to boot. Johnson relies on his accuracy and his smarts and field vision to get him by (hence his TD/INT stat). Not saying that counts for everyhting, but the only thing they have in common is the fact that they are both fast.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

That's what I was thinking. I honestly see a little bit of a mix of Manny Lawson and Merriman together in Gholston. He's lean and quick like Lawson, but not on the same level as fast as him, but he's stronger than Lawson but not as ridiculously physical as Merriman.

I should point out that Manny Lawson is considerably quicker than Gholston. I think Merrimen was the more dominant college player.

When I look at Gholston I see a more explosive Anthony Spencer. They put up very similar numbers at the combine, and I think both will make similar linebackers (should Gholston end up with a 4-3 team).

[kmartin575]

I should point out that Manny Lawson is considerably quicker than Gholston. I think Merrimen was the more dominant college player.

When I look at Gholston I see a more explosive Anthony Spencer. They put up very similar numbers at the combine, and I think both will make similar linebackers (should Gholston end up with a 4-3 team).

Don't you mean a 3-4 team? Since that is what Spencer went to.

[SMoore]

Andre Woodson=Big Ben
Colt Brennan=Chad Pennington (Before injury)/Phillip Rivers
JD Booty=Jeff Garcia

i dont really agree with the booty-garcia comparsison. garcia is more athletic i think and booty has better size

[Matthew Jones]

Booty is nowhere near the decision-maker Garcia is.

[Seanhawk]

Since Matt Ryan to Matt Hasselbeck has already been said, I'll say Matt Forte'- Deuce McAllister.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Don't you mean a 3-4 team? Since that is what Spencer went to.

Mmm, yeah, that was a typo. Thanks.

[Woody56]

Earl Bennett - Reggie Wayne
Ray Rice - Slower MJD

[nvot9]

What would you guys say for Chris Avril and Quentin Groves? Those are two of the people I'm most interested in...

[The Legend]

Dre Moore - Darnell Dockett

[Larry121283]

Earl Bennett - Reggie Wayne
Ray Rice - Slower MJD

You need to be something real special to be a MJD.

Dude delivers contact like I haven't seen in a LOOOONG time. He is one of those players with a true chip on his shoulder and takes it out on any defender that tries to lay a hit on him.

I don't know if Ray Rice can live up to that moniker, because I don't think he delivers the contact that MJD does. MJD is like his own comparison. I'd say Earl Campbell, but they really aren't that similar, I just think in how they finish off runs they are.

[Jakey]

What would you guys say for Chris Avril and Quentin Groves? Those are two of the people I'm most interested in...

Cliff Avril - Joey Porter (young)

Quentin Groves - Manny Lawson

[A Perfect Score]

Cliff Avril - Joey Porter (young)

Quentin Groves - Manny Lawson

lol jakey, those are some bad comparisons my man...cliff avril is a lot faster and more athletic then joey porter...in fact, id say cliff avril is alot like manny lawson lol and not groves

teh reason i dont like the groves/lawson comparison is that lawson is so much taller, and groves is much more compact yet much stiffer then lawson. I think that groves is a much more athletic version of terrell suggs...same kind of burst/edge player, he just has better straight line speed. Lawson is a different breed of edge rusher, more in the mold of jason taylor.

[Jakey]

^ Joey Porter in his younger days, was one of the most (if not the most) athletic 3-4 OLB's there was. He was equally good at rushing the passer, supporting the run, and dropping into coverage. They are the same height and weight, ran basically the same 40', and both benched 27 times. I'd say coming out of college, they are a very good comparison.

[A Perfect Score]

^ Joey Porter in his younger days, was one of the most (if not the most) athletic 3-4 OLB's there was. He was equally good at rushing the passer, supporting the run, and dropping into coverage. They are the same height and weight, ran basically the same 40', and both benched 27 times. I'd say coming out of college, they are a very good comparison.

mmm i guess i was never a big porter fan (maybe cause im a ravens fan :)) and i just assumed he was a product of the system. Whenever i see Porter play, he is just always looking stiff,w hile when i watched avril at purdue, he looked much more fluid. But if you are looking at stats and measurables, i can see the comparison. I just dont see it on tape, thats all. But hey, i could be wrong. in fact, i probably am lol.

[Jakey]

^ lol hey who knows??? The main advantage Avril has got over Porter coming out of college is, that he already has experience playing LB. That should make his transition to LB allot smoother, and he could realistically start from day 1.

[A Perfect Score]

yeah i really like avril as a prospect he was one of my major sleepers and a guy i really wanted the ravens to snag in the 4th, but that was before he lit it up at the combine. Now he is looking at a high 2nd round grade and i dunnno if the ravens iwll burn that pick on him.

[no love]

You need to be something real special to be a MJD.

Dude delivers contact like I haven't seen in a LOOOONG time. He is one of those players with a true chip on his shoulder and takes it out on any defender that tries to lay a hit on him.

I don't know if Ray Rice can live up to that moniker, because I don't think he delivers the contact that MJD does. MJD is like his own comparison. I'd say Earl Campbell, but they really aren't that similar, I just think in how they finish off runs they are.

What have you missed out on watching Frank Gore? Talk about finishing runs. You can't have that conversation without him there.

[BLACKnGOLD]

matt ryan= eli manning

[BBIB]

the josh johnson/mike vick comparisons are acutally very bad...they are not similar at all.

vick relied heavily on his athleticism to help him succeed, and not to mention he had a cannon to boot. Johnson relies on his accuracy and his smarts and field vision to get him by (hence his TD/INT stat). Not saying that counts for everyhting, but the only thing they have in common is the fact that they are both fast.

Agreed.

Josh Johnson's ceiling would be shades of Randall Cunningham

Matt Ryan seems to have a much better arm that Rivers.

It can't be that much better. Ryan does not exactly have a cannon.

It's a terrible comparison because Rivers is considerably more accurate with a higher football IQ.

[jsa230]

Jerome Simpson=Greg Jennings

Andre Woodson=Daunte Culpepper

Mike Jenkins=Darrelle Revis

[Larry121283]

Jerome Simpson reminds me more of a Ernest Wilford with better timed speed.

[A Perfect Score]

Jerome Simpson=Greg Jennings

Andre Woodson=Daunte Culpepper

Mike Jenkins=Darrelle Revis

woodson doesnt have the mobility that culpepper had when he came into the league...i see woodson as byron leftwich...long, wind up release, and bad mobility.

the jenkins/revis comparison is a good one, except revis is a much better tackler then jenkins is. Jenkins is physical in his jams, but his run support skills are lacking.

I dunno much about simpson, so i cant ocmment on the jennings comparison, i need to watch more tape first.

[holt_bruce81]

Tony Temple = MJD

[SMoore]

woodson doesnt have the mobility that culpepper had when he came into the league...i see woodson as byron leftwich...long, wind up release, and bad mobility.

the jenkins/revis comparison is a good one, except revis is a much better tackler then jenkins is. Jenkins is physical in his jams, but his run support skills are lacking.

I dunno much about simpson, so i cant ocmment on the jennings comparison, i need to watch more tape first.

i wouldn't say woodson has bad athleticism, just average...i agree with the rest of the comparison to leftwich except i think byron was a better decision-maker

[ironman4579]

Shawn Crable - LT

I finally found Crable's overall combine numbers, and I have to say, I was fairly disappointed with them overall. Definately not what I thought he was capable of.

40 yard time-4.64
20 yard split-2.71
10 yard split-1.60
bench reps-29
vert-28 inches
broadjump-9'3"
short shuttle-4.55
3 cone-7.29

Now I'm not sure those are official or anything, just what I was able to find.

[Mr.Regular]

I see Matt Ryan as a taller Aaron Rodgers.

[Jakey]

I finally found Crable's overall combine numbers, and I have to say, I was fairly disappointed with them overall. Definately not what I thought he was capable of.

40 yard time-4.64
20 yard split-2.71
10 yard split-1.60
bench reps-29
vert-28 inches
broadjump-9'3"
short shuttle-4.55
3 cone-7.29

Now I'm not sure those are official or anything, just what I was able to find.

Thats not great considering last year, Lamarr Woodley at 6'2" 270lbs, did just aswell (if not better) with a tweaked hammy...

40 yard time-4.68
20 yard split-2.72
10 yard split-1.65
bench reps-29
vert-38.5 inches
broadjump-9'9"
short shuttle-4.42
3 cone-N/A


But saying that...Lamarr Woodley is a phreak of nature :)

[ironman4579]

Thats not great considering last year, Lamarr Woodley at 6'2" 270lbs, did just aswell (if not better) with a tweaked hammy...

40 yard time-4.68
20 yard split-2.72
10 yard split-1.65
bench reps-29
vert-38.5 inches
broadjump-9'9"
short shuttle-4.42
3 cone-N/A


But saying that...Lamarr Woodley is a phreak of nature :)

I figured Crable would come out with better numbers than Woodley. Keep in mind though that Woodley's numbers were pro day numbers, and Crable's were at the combine. We'll see what happens at Michigan's pro day this year. That said, Woodley is a beast, plain and simple.

[A Perfect Score]

woodley is an animal and i was praying for baltimore to take him in the 2nd last year...but alas, we didnt, although i really feel he would have succeeded in our system. He will do fine in pitt though, i just dont like the thought of playing him twice a year. :(

[619]

matt ryan= eli manning

No one will probably wanna admit it but thats the fairest comparison I've seen for Ryan thus far.