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SubNoize
03-04-2008, 08:17 PM
From Adam Schefter per PFT, Harris to the Raiders for 3 years 16 millions, and Schefter also reports that Walker to Oakland can be completed as soon as tomorrow. Decent signings for Oakland and this def. fills 2 giant needs for them.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Crickett
03-04-2008, 08:25 PM
From Adam Schefter per PFT, Harris to the Raiders for 3 years 16 millions, and Schefter also reports that Walker to Oakland can be completed as soon as tomorrow. Decent signings for Oakland and this def. fills 2 giant needs for them.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I didn't realize Oakland needed another crappy offensive linemen. For five million a year.

Borat
03-04-2008, 08:26 PM
I'd say you overpayed for Kwame Harris by about $16 Million.

I like Javon making a comeback though.

Vikes99ej
03-04-2008, 08:28 PM
The Raiders are the Knicks of the NFL.

SubNoize
03-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Harris has struggled but he still has potential and I think Tom Cable is great line coach who can help turn his career around, I mean look at what he's already done with pretty much the same line in place year over year, his system reduced our # of sacks by 30 and took us from a horrendous run game to #6 in the league with medicore talent in the backfield and along the line. Harris could thrive in this system, he can't be worse than Cornell Green or Paul McQuistan.

Borat
03-04-2008, 08:41 PM
I heard Oakland wants him to play LT. LMFAO!

Hey Oakland fans, here is your new LT:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12457884

Thunder&Lightning
03-04-2008, 08:48 PM
i can only laugh about the harris sign... But i think walker still can make a comeback. Hes got some juice left in his tank and hes a top WR if hes atleast at 90%. Keep building around Jmarc.

SubNoize
03-04-2008, 08:56 PM
I heard Oakland wants him to play LT. LMFAO!

Hey Oakland fans, here is your new LT:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12457884

I heard that they are looking at him as either a RT or a G, I haven't heard anything about LT at all, only name I've heard brought up there is Mario Henderson.

SubNoize
03-04-2008, 08:59 PM
Good god we are spending money like idiots, Walker to Oakland is official at 6 years 55 Million with 16 Million dollars gauranteed, what the hell? It pays out 27 Million in the first 3 years! I know WR was need but, 16 million? WOW...

regoob2
03-04-2008, 09:04 PM
Wow that is crazy Raiders are just burning money.

Bills2083
03-04-2008, 09:08 PM
http://www.familycourtchronicles.com/philosophy/wasted/money-to-burn.jpg

DawgBone
03-04-2008, 09:08 PM
Crazy . This dude is not worth more money than Randy Moss. And what kind of ownership would even consider giving him that?

Komp
03-04-2008, 09:10 PM
I don't like how Al is trying to buy wins this year. Javon Walker is a very good WR when healthy and it fills a need but that is a fairly steep price to pay. I don't quite understand the Harris signing, we'll see what Cable can do with him. I'm not getting my hopes up.

yo123
03-04-2008, 09:11 PM
Wow Javon's contract is ridiculous. At least they are trying to give Jamarcus some toys though.

Smokey Joe
03-04-2008, 09:21 PM
I thought Berrian got a pretty ridiculous contract too... damn.

yo123
03-04-2008, 09:23 PM
I thought Berrian got a pretty ridiculous contract to...


I'll take Berrian for 6 years 42 mill over Walker (who may never be healthy again) for 6 years 55 mill. We might have overpaid for Berrian, but hey thats the market.

Smokey Joe
03-04-2008, 09:28 PM
I was just pointing out, even though Berrian got a pretty crazy contract, this Walker one is beyond reason.

regoob2
03-04-2008, 09:28 PM
I just want to know who drove up the price to $55mil or if thats what Oak started at.

619
03-04-2008, 09:36 PM
wow I dont know what to say .. this better not backfire! Is Al trying to buy himself to victories? Not good.

Vikings4ever
03-04-2008, 09:44 PM
I just want to know who drove up the price to $55mil or if thats what Oak started at.

From what I've heard, nobody wants to go to Oakland, so they have to vastly overpay to get anyone to sign.

LonghornsLegend
03-04-2008, 09:52 PM
Crazy . This dude is not worth more money than Randy Moss. And what kind of ownership would even consider giving him that?

The same kind that signed Tommie Kelly to an enormous deal, all they missed out on this off season was Jacque Reeves.

Borat
03-04-2008, 09:54 PM
wow I dont know what to say .. this better not backfire! Is Al trying to buy himself to victories? Not good.

Signing Kwame Harris is buying himself losses.

regoob2
03-04-2008, 09:55 PM
From what I've heard, nobody wants to go to Oakland, so they have to vastly overpay to get anyone to sign.
That has to be the case cause they just spent $105mil for Kelly and Walker.

OzTitan
03-04-2008, 10:04 PM
So wait, I'm guessing they *won't* be resigning Nnamdi then?

Cause he'll want top CB money for sure and I just don't see how they afford it now.

T-RICH49
03-04-2008, 10:04 PM
geez Oakland is throwing around more money the Pacman at a Strip Club

yo123
03-04-2008, 10:05 PM
So wait, I'm guessing they *won't* be resigning Nnamdi then?

Cause he'll want top CB money for sure and I just don't see how they afford it now.


Yeah, it really makes no sense. Of course I would never expect Al Davis to think rationally.

gdamac
03-04-2008, 10:09 PM
So wait, I'm guessing they *won't* be resigning Nnamdi then?

Cause he'll want top CB money for sure and I just don't see how they afford it now.

Afford it I don't know, but they have plenty of cap room. But I assume he feels like he needs big contracts to lure people to the team. We shall see how it all plays out.

Geo
03-04-2008, 10:12 PM
PFT says Walker will make $27M the first three years of his deal.

You'd think we'd at least wait until a year later to see a lesser receiver make Randy Moss money, not a day. The free agent market is a funny thing.

NIN1984
03-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Harris isn't worth 16 dollars, that's a bad move. Walker is a huge need tho, the Raiders have one of the worst WR cores in the league but damn that's a lot of money.

DiG
03-04-2008, 10:20 PM
wow i cant believe they are paying walker that much money. walkers got talent but coming off that injury and his history with his last two teams that seems like an insane amount of cash.

JK17
03-04-2008, 10:20 PM
Well Oakland certainly is pissing right through money this offseason...

Sure JaMarcus and Javon could be dangerous, but for that much? Hahaha...

OzTitan
03-04-2008, 10:25 PM
Looking at it, there probably is room for Nnamdi still, but with Russell, Kelly, and now Walker all with what I believe has to be top 3-5 positional money and Harris and Fargas up there as well, it will be getting tight. Plus Morrison and Howard and Burgess will all probably be looking for new deals soon too.

If you can just put the dollars aside for a second though, I guess at least the Raiders are trying to do something. Call me crazy, but IMO the only thing worse than paying $55M to an injury prone WR is starting the season with no one but an aging and injury prone Curry and a 2nd year TE in Zach Miller for Russell to throw to. It's a lot of money, sure, but at least there's a chance Walker and Russell could really do some damage. It will hurt if it doesn't work out, but I guess at least this is a potentially high reward risk. I mean, for the money, the Berrian signing's potential pay off seems considerably less.

Although it's easier to see that positive angle as a fan of another team as I wouldn't and didn't want the Titans to take this approach for Young.

nikkayeah
03-04-2008, 10:26 PM
http://49ersnews.com/raider-nationenjoy/
ahhahahhah rip jamarcus

yo123
03-04-2008, 10:32 PM
http://49ersnews.com/raider-nationenjoy/
ahhahahhah rip jamarcus



HAHA thats beautiful.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-04-2008, 10:35 PM
I can't imagine that Oakland feels comfortable going into the season with Harris at left tackle, so I'm hoping that isn't the end of the offensive tackle additions. The Walker deal is monstrous, more so than it should be, but I like the concept of the move.

The nice thing about all these contracts Oakland is handing out being front loaded is that it probably doesn't hurt a long term deal for Asomugha and it should limit the cap penalties the Raiders have to deal with down the line.

Borat
03-04-2008, 10:36 PM
I posted that video hours ago.

LonghornsLegend
03-04-2008, 10:42 PM
Someone needs to make one of those for Jacque Reeves, he's certainly deserving of a "low light".

Geo
03-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I thought Walker was fantastic in 2006 though. He was the Broncos offense that season.

If he can play in that form, that will be big for the Raiders.

yo123
03-04-2008, 10:44 PM
Someone needs to make one of those for Jacque Reeves, he's certainly deserving of a "low light".


+ rep to anyone who makes a Troy Williamson one that I can post whenever a Jags fan makes a post about him.

thetedginnshow
03-04-2008, 10:48 PM
I heard Javon will need micro-fracture surgery, but if they're paying him that much, I'd hope that isn't true.

nobodyinparticular
03-04-2008, 10:54 PM
http://49ersnews.com/raider-nationenjoy/
ahhahahhah rip jamarcus

Ouch... Kwame plays far too upright, he lunges, and it seems almost impossible for him to actually engage the defender.

I was ok with the Kwame Harris signing as long as it was at close to league minimum and no signing bonus. Perhaps incentive laden if he actually plays and performs. But $5 million per year? YIKES! For that piece of crap?

kmartin575
03-04-2008, 10:55 PM
The Raiders are the Knicks of the NFL.

No they are now the Redskins of the AFC.

Geo
03-04-2008, 10:55 PM
Many thanks for the working link of the Kwame Harris vid, nikka. I forgot how LOLtastic it was, kudos to whoever created it, they did a bang-up job.

nobodyinparticular
03-04-2008, 10:57 PM
I thought Walker was fantastic in 2006 though. He was the Broncos offense that season.

If he can play in that form, that will be big for the Raiders.

And that's why I was ok with the Raiders pursuing Walker in the first place. I personally saw Walker tear up defenses single-handedly in 2006. And in 2004 for the Packers. But at this amount of money? He'd better show that he can be even better than his 2006 numbers.

And the Raiders had better hope that the cap truly gets nullified after this season otherwise they will be in cap hell. I think that's what Davis is banking on with these contracts though. (or maybe I hope...)

kmartin575
03-04-2008, 11:00 PM
The Raiders have moved ahead of the Chiefs in the division for the short term but in the long run the Chiefs are actually building through the draft which is something Oakland refuses to do. Oakland will be better this year but in the long run they are doing nothing but signing older veterans to huge contracts that are going to hurt them.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-04-2008, 11:10 PM
Wow that's an even bigger deal for Walker than the one he got from Denver. If he's healthy he's gonna be a big help to Jamarcus but this guy has some great luck. Both times he's injured/has a bad year he gets a huge contract from the Broncos and now the Raiders. He will still be on the Broncos pay roll too.

nobodyinparticular
03-04-2008, 11:13 PM
The Raiders have moved ahead of the Chiefs in the division for the short term but in the long run the Chiefs are actually building through the draft which is something Oakland refuses to do. Oakland will be better this year but in the long run they are doing nothing but signing older veterans to huge contracts that are going to hurt them.

I wouldn't say that they are "older veterans". They are veterans, yes, but not really on the old side--Javon Walker is the oldest and he's only 29. Wilson is 26, Kelly just turned 27, Kwame Harris is not quite 27. Let's not paint this like the FA signings of 2000-2002 when they added Rod Woodson, John Parrella, Trace Armstrong, Bill Romanowski and Jerry Rice at the end of their careers.

That said, they are banking on a lot of things going right--Wilson to continue to build off of his performance on the end season and postseason, Kelly and Walker to come back from injury, Walker to return to his game breaking form of 2004 and 2006 on top of his needed recovery, Kelly to actually realize his potential as a UT (so many players have praised him for his potential), and for Kwame Harris to look like anything but the crap that he's looked the last 4 years, to actually live up to his potential and tools that got him drafted #4 overall in 2003.

And if these things don't happen, the Raiders will be totally screwed. If the NFL actually gets rid of salary cap, they won't be that screwed though.

OzTitan
03-04-2008, 11:21 PM
The salary cap may not be here for 2010-2011, but I don't see how it goes for good. Too many owners would want it on any new CBA.

nobodyinparticular
03-04-2008, 11:23 PM
The salary cap may not be here for 2010-2011, but I don't see how it goes for good. Too many owners would want it on any new CBA.

I truly believe what everyone has been saying though, that if the salary cap is gone for one year, it won't be back again. I don't think any of they players want it, and there is a large contingent of owners who don't want it--Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, apparently Al Davis, etc.

OzTitan
03-04-2008, 11:53 PM
I truly believe what everyone has been saying though, that if the salary cap is gone for one year, it won't be back again. I don't think any of they players want it, and there is a large contingent of owners who don't want it--Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, apparently Al Davis, etc.

Large but I doubt overwhelming. That was just the NFLPA's trump card to pressure their modifications for the last extension. They said if it wasn't worked out before the capless 06-07 season they would never agree to a cap again. It was a threat. Would they actually do it? I don't know, but most owners would be against it, and I'd say media and public perception would be with the owners, particularly the collective fanbase and media amongst those teams that would be most adversely effected (and plenty from others who actually have a clue and appreciate fair competition and the NFL's world class cap system). I'm not really sure the NFLPA would make it an agenda for a new CBA honestly, it sounds like something they just can't win unless most owners agree (which, as said, I doubt. Even some with money wouldn't likely spend a lot of it so they'd still prefer a cap). I mean, the NFLPA has to yield on *some* thing, I think a cap is one of those things unless there is a shift in owner attitude.

gdamac
03-04-2008, 11:55 PM
49er fans, tell us how you really feel, LOL!

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2008, 12:02 AM
The Raiders have moved ahead of the Chiefs in the division for the short term but in the long run the Chiefs are actually building through the draft which is something Oakland refuses to do. Oakland will be better this year but in the long run they are doing nothing but signing older veterans to huge contracts that are going to hurt them.its to bad they have a sucky HC to ruin there development.

Id probably be pissed off about this, but seeing as how Ive been a Raider fan my whole entire life Im used to this **** happening.All I gotta say is these signings better work.

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2008, 12:45 AM
Is Robert Gallery going to be the tackle opposite Harris?

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2008, 12:53 AM
Harris probably wont be a tackle unless we move McQuistan back to G.
I think I saw a report that said Cable told Gallery hed be staying at G.
This leaves Mario Henderson as the only guy who could be LT for us.I actually wish we still had Sims.

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 12:54 AM
Harris probably wont be a tackle unless we move McQuistan back to G.
I think I saw a report that said Cable told Gallery hed be staying at G.
This leaves Mario Henderson as the only guy who could be LT for us.I actually wish we still had Sims.

Hopefully we get Sam Baker or Ryan Clady to play LT....

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2008, 12:58 AM
Hopefully we get Sam Baker or Ryan Clady to play LT....

I havent seen too many people give the Raiders a LT in a mock but it should be high up there on the list, the line isnt as bad as it was a few years ago, but Russel really should have a primiere LT in there instead of having to worry about getting hit every time he drops back, thats the fastest way to ruin his development.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2008, 01:00 AM
Im just hoping that Hills falls to the 4th.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2008, 01:01 AM
49er fans, tell us how you really feel, LOL!
you've changed your sig at least 4 times now.

Geo
03-05-2008, 01:08 AM
Honestly, we're all ragging on Harris, and deservingly given his play at times ... but I actually feel sorry for the big lug now. I hope he does turn it around for the better in Oakland.

Crickett
03-05-2008, 01:14 AM
Honestly, we're all ragging on Harris, and deservingly given his play at times ... but I actually feel sorry for the big lug now. I hope he does turn it around for the better in Oakland.

There are five million reasons (per year), I don't feel sorry for him. Is this what the NFL has become? Where players who are downright bad are getting tens of millions of dollars? This is the kind of thing I used to make fun of the NBA for.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-05-2008, 01:29 AM
I wonder what Scott is going to be writing about in his next blog entry.

Addict
03-05-2008, 02:38 AM
I wonder what Scott is going to be writing about in his next blog entry.

I think he'll be positive, after all, Al Davis' has never really made any huge errors.

no love
03-05-2008, 02:42 AM
I think he'll be positive, after all, Al Davis' has never really made any huge errors.

lol that deserves rep

SimonRath
03-05-2008, 08:36 AM
I actually like Walker going to Oakland. He gives Jamarcus a really good target to grow with. If Walker can stay healthy then he should have a good year.

But the money he got was WAY to much. Oakland must have a crap load of money to spend?

Canadian_draft_fan
03-05-2008, 08:46 AM
I realize the Redskins have made some bad moves but the Raiders take the cake this off-season. You can make an argument that they have way overpaid in all their signings.

Crickett
03-05-2008, 10:21 AM
I realize the Redskins have made some bad moves but the Raiders take the cake this off-season. You can make an argument that they have way overpaid in all their signings.

But there's........

and then........


I got nothing.

portermvp84
03-05-2008, 11:42 AM
If he got another WR in the later rounds I'd be happy.

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Hey, at least the Raiders got Justin Fargas at a bargain...


...right?

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2008, 02:19 PM
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12457884


Wasn't the Raiders line, bad to begin with?

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 02:25 PM
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12457884


Wasn't the Raiders line, bad to begin with?

Yes... Yes it was...

My only response to that is that Harris is not guaranteed a starting spot. I hope...

Maybe, just maybe, Tom Cable can bring him back from the dead in the same way he has begun to rejuvenate Gallery's career.

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2008, 02:27 PM
Yes... Yes it was...

My only response to that is that Harris is not guaranteed a starting spot. I hope...

Maybe, just maybe, Tom Cable can bring him back from the dead in the same way he has begun to rejuvenate Gallery's career.

Speaking of Gallery, have they stopped moving him to new positions? I mean, has he played Wide Receiver yet?

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 02:31 PM
Speaking of Gallery, have they stopped moving him to new positions? I mean, has he played Wide Receiver yet?

Yeah, with the release of Barry Sims, people were asking Kiffin if Gallery was going to play LT. Kiffin flatout said that Gallery is staying at LG and that was the end of the discussion.

I'm a little torn--a part of me wants to see Gallery become a Pro Bowl LT, but the other (more rational) side of me sees the need to keep Gallery at LG so that he can finally stay in the same spot 3 years in a row.

stephenson86
03-05-2008, 06:07 PM
Harris IMO needs to get himself some confidence, he looks scareddddddd out there

Addict
03-07-2008, 05:28 AM
Speaking of Gallery, have they stopped moving him to new positions? I mean, has he played Wide Receiver yet?

I think they'll try him as a DE now... The old 'If you can't beat-em, join-em'-tactic.

nobodyinparticular
03-07-2008, 01:13 PM
I think they'll try him as a DE now... The old 'If you can't beat-em, join-em'-tactic.

Haha! Gallery has had a couple sacks by himself, tripping his own QBs... If he's getting those sacks without even trying, imagine what he could do actually trying to get to the QB.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-07-2008, 01:40 PM
Haha! Gallery has had a couple sacks by himself, tripping his own QBs... If he's getting those sacks without even trying, imagine what he could do actually trying to get to the QB.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Minion6990/MB%20icons/hahaha-024.gif



What's the concensus among Raiders fans? Do they consider him a bust or still work in progress or what? I am going with the assumption that you're a raider fan, so correct me if I am wrong.

nobodyinparticular
03-07-2008, 01:49 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Minion6990/MB%20icons/hahaha-024.gif



What's the concensus among Raiders fans? Do they consider him a bust or still work in progress or what? I am going with the assumption that you're a raider fan, so correct me if I am wrong.

A lot of people consider him a bust and want to dump him. Still others, like myself, were actually pleased with his progress as a LG last year. He still got called for penalties, but he was a huge reason for the Raiders' success in the run game. I would love to see him become the LT the Raiders thought he could be, but even with cutting Barry Sims, the Raiders decided to keep him at LG. Otherwise that would just be one more switch that Gallery would have to make.

All in all, I'm happy with him at guard and I think he could become a Pro Bowl caliber player there although I don't know if anyone would ever vote for him due to the failed expectations.

Geo
03-07-2008, 01:58 PM
Gallery is among the most penalized players in the league, season after season.

ESPN's Mike Sando wrote a good article about it this past November. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510)

NY+Giants=NYG
03-07-2008, 01:59 PM
A lot of people consider him a bust and want to dump him. Still others, like myself, were actually pleased with his progress as a LG last year. He still got called for penalties, but he was a huge reason for the Raiders' success in the run game. I would love to see him become the LT the Raiders thought he could be, but even with cutting Barry Sims, the Raiders decided to keep him at LG. Otherwise that would just be one more switch that Gallery would have to make.

All in all, I'm happy with him at guard and I think he could become a Pro Bowl caliber player there although I don't know if anyone would ever vote for him due to the failed expectations.

Even if he does become a pro bowl guard, do you think people still will consider him a bust due to failed expectations as a stud can't miss LT? Do you think a pro bowl at LG would exonerate him the bust label? He was a interesting pick, and it's harder for you guys because you could have basically picked anyone you guys wanted that draft. If you guys didn't pick Gallery, what was the next popular pick among your fanbase? Would you have gone QB, WR in fitz, or what?

nobodyinparticular
03-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Even if he does become a pro bowl guard, do you think people still will consider him a bust due to failed expectations as a stud can't miss LT? Do you think a pro bowl at LG would exonerate him the bust label? He was a interesting pick, and it's harder for you guys because you could have basically picked anyone you guys wanted that draft. If you guys didn't pick Gallery, what was the next popular pick among your fanbase? Would you have gone QB, WR in fitz, or what?

Yes, I believe most will see him as a bust, even if he were to get up to Will Shields-like HOF production.

That year was a year that was highly contested as to what the Raiders would/should do. A lot of guys like Roy Williams at that spot, some liked Larry Fitzgerald, others wanted Roethlisberger and still others were pining for Sean Taylor. I think I was among the Sean Taylor or Roy Williams camp at that point.