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Thunder&Lightning
03-05-2008, 08:42 AM
Javon Walker signs a 6 year deal worth $55 Million and $16 Million Guaranteed. Extremely suprised here with this, dont understand why he is worth this much. I thought they were taking a risk on him.

Since last Thursday, the Raiders have doled out more than $144 million in contracts to defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($50.1 million), safety Gibril Wilson ($39 million), and Walker ($55 million).

Raiders have spend a lot of money in the past week...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80709c14&template=without-video&confirm=true

Basileus777
03-05-2008, 09:38 AM
Jesus, Al's lost it. First Tommy Kelly, now $9M per for Javon Walker. A guy coming off his third knee surgery, and who Shanahan just said needed microfracture surgery..

Contr0versy
03-05-2008, 09:44 AM
Javon Walker isn't even worth $4 million a year. . . The Raiders are OFFICIALLY doomed.

BroadwayJoe10
03-05-2008, 09:53 AM
I don't mind the kelly signing as we don't know the exact contract; there could be certain incentives that can never be reached or years/money he'll never see. They always give out the best possible numbers for the player and i just think kelly is everything the raiders need. Granted it seems a lot of money, but everyone is getting overpaid these days; someone needs to set the new market value and it just so happens its the guys this year, and the teams who follow will have to go above it and so on. (i'd personally rather set the market level than have to follow and give it a larger contract)

Regardless, I can't comprehend this signing. I didn't know any teams were really that interested to create a bidding war to even get it to 5 a year.

A Perfect Score
03-05-2008, 10:04 AM
wow...just wow. Thats alot of money to give a guy with alot of questions. Then again, they gave kwame harris 16 million for 3 years...so Old Al isnt afraid to spend the money. Christ, maybe he is going senile...

portermvp84
03-05-2008, 11:50 AM
wow...just wow. Thats alot of money to give a guy with alot of questions. Then again, they gave kwame harris 16 million for 3 years...so Old Al isnt afraid to spend the money. Christ, maybe he is going senile...

He already has about a couple of years ago. It's really unlike al to spend all this money and free agency isn't even over yet.

LonghornsLegend
03-05-2008, 01:20 PM
Since last Thursday, the Raiders have doled out more than $144 million in contracts to defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($50.1 million), safety Gibril Wilson ($39 million), and Walker ($55 million).

Ouch...I feel bad for Raiders fans having to endure off seasons like this, they really are passionate about their team and Al Davis has no clue whats going on in the world right now and is just pissing money down the drain...


Boy they really did miss out on Jacque Reeves this off season, thats about the only way it could of gotten worse.

HawkeyeFan
03-05-2008, 02:15 PM
Is Al Davis legally senile yet?

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 02:19 PM
Jesus, Al's lost it. First Tommy Kelly, now $9M per for Javon Walker. A guy coming off his third knee surgery, and who Shanahan just said needed microfracture surgery..

Wow, Dr. Shanahan's prognosis on Walker is pretty bleak. Why the heck didn't the Raiders consult him before signing Walker? Stupid Raiders. Don't you know you are supposed to bring in the best orthopedic surgeon--specializing in knees of course--before spending $55 million on a guy? And everyone knows that Dr. Shanahan is far and away the best in the world.

CC.SD
03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
Wow, Dr. Shanahan's prognosis on Walker is pretty bleak. Why the heck didn't the Raiders consult him before signing Walker? Stupid Raiders. Don't you know you are supposed to bring in the best orthopedic surgeon--specializing in knees of course--before spending $55 million on a guy? And everyone knows that Dr. Shanahan is far and away the best in the world.

Good defense, but seriously there's no way this signing can be justified. Even if Javon had never been injured, he wouldn't be worth this much. He's not Randy Moss, even if his knees weren't completely shot.

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 02:37 PM
Good defense, but seriously there's no way this signing can be justified. Even if Javon had never been injured, he wouldn't be worth this much. He's not Randy Moss, even if his knees weren't completely shot.

Absolutely right. I agree this is FAR too much money for Walker.

I'll say that as soon as I heard the Broncos were planning to release him and Berrian was signed by the Vikings, I began to hope that the Raiders would pursue him. However, my idea of pursuing was a 2-3 years contract for about $7 million tops + incentives for if he stayed healthy and produced well. So you can imagine my surprise when I saw "6 years, $55 million, $16 guaranteed."

All I can say is: I hope he heals quickly and starts producing at 2004 levels.

It can't be overstated how necessary it is to surround Jamarcus Russell with weapons in his first years as a starter, so at least the Raiders are trying to do that. But they certainly overpaid for this one... (and they can't stop here--they still need someone to stretch the field. I could go for a guy like Drew Carter as that deep threat)

PackerLegend
03-05-2008, 03:01 PM
All Javon has ever caired about is money, money, money.

GB12
03-05-2008, 03:40 PM
Good defense, but seriously there's no way this signing can be justified. Even if Javon had never been injured, he wouldn't be worth this much. He's not Randy Moss, even if his knees weren't completely shot.
Actually there's a good chance he might have been. He was on his way to becoming one of the leagues top receivers before his first injury. Then he came back with Denver and had a good first year there. No way is he worth close to that now, but with out the injuries and attitude problems he very well could be.

defensiveback23
03-05-2008, 03:50 PM
I guess he's panicking and finally snapped after having his back against the wall for the last 4 years.

gdamac
03-05-2008, 03:50 PM
The Raiders can't offer fair market contracts and expect anyone to choose them over other teams. It's the only thing he can do. And even that wasn't enough to lure Bernard Berrian out of Minn. or to stop Stallworth from signing with the Browns. Those guys want to play on contenders. He only has 5 draft picks this year. It is what it is.

ninerfan
03-05-2008, 05:03 PM
hahahahaha thats crazy !!! I liked him for us but at about 1/2 that price at the worst

Toneloc498
03-05-2008, 05:10 PM
I really think that Al Davis is just giving a big FU to the rest of the league, he knows hes not going to be able to compete and probably will be dead by the time the Raiders have a winning season again so hes just signing people to insane money to screw other teams into paying the same talent just as much as hes paying, hes destroying the market on purpose is my conclusion.

Xonraider
03-05-2008, 05:16 PM
Ok, so take this as the only time the Raiders will ever speak of anything... especially justfying themselves.

Apparently sensitive to the perception that they are recklessly throwing millions of dollars at free agents who ordinarily wouldn’t give the Raiders a second look, the club took the unusual step Wednesday of confirming (or in their mind, correcting) some salary figures.

If this has ever happened before, I can’t remember when. Frankly, the idea of being free spenders is good publicity, because it brings interest and a sense of confidence not only for the fan base, but draws in more potential free agents.

The particulars as relayed by a team executive in a phone call:

– The Javon Walker deal will pay the wide receiver $16 million over two seasons. Walker got $6 million to sign and salaries of $5 million each of the next two seasons.

The rest of the deal is heavily backloaded with money Walker won’t see unless he approaches the 89 receptions, 1,392 yards and 12 touchdowns compiled in Green Bay in 2004.

Given that players are seldom if ever cut after one year after receiving a sizable signing bonus, Walker has essentially been guaranteed $16 million.

– The Kwame Harris deal is essentially one year for $3 million, giving both the club and Harris the chance to revisit the situation after one season. There was never any guaranteed money reported regarding Harris’ signing.

Most fans understand the figures associated with the entire deal are blown out of proportion by inflated salaries on the back end. The club seldom intends to pay them, and the extra years are added to spread out the salary cap hit on the bonus.

Kelly’s deal includes $29.5 million in salary over the last five years, $19.5 million over the last three years. If Kelly isn’t as good as the Raiders expect, he’ll never see that money.

Walker’s contract has salaries of $10 million on the back end. Those checks will probably never be written.

Still, the up front money has been considerable, and Al Davis had put everyone on notice that he isn’t afraid to take a chance and write huge checks to get his team turned around.

As for Lane Kiffin, he hasn’t been quoted in a single press release regarding any of the signings. Nor are the Raiders taking advantage of the signings with regard to the news cycle by trotting thei new players out for a press conference or conference call, as the 49ers did with Justin Smith and Isaac Bruce.

It was standard procedure when the Raiders were winning division titles, but something they got away from once the losses began to pile up. Still, there were usually quotes attributed to the head coach, filtered through the team, about how happy he was to have so-and-so aboard.

In the photo of Walker signing his deal on Raiders.com, the receiver is flanked not by Kiffin, but by defensive backs coach Willie Brown.

Since the Raiders left the Senior Bowl, Kiffin has declined to speak on the record regarding his status with the club. While that might not be unusual, it is at least a little strange that Kiffin has had nothing to say via club press release about the deals worked out with Justin Fargas, Kelly, Gibril Wilson, Walker and Harris.

Nor did he give a public thanks through the team to Barry Sims for nine years of service.

But at least he got that dancing issue cleared up.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 05:36 PM
Wow, that article really makes the Harris and Walker deals seem much better. $6 million instead of $16 million to sign is a huge difference. And no signing bonus for Kwame--sounds good to me. If the Raiders need to cut him in training camp or preseason, they can without any worry of a cap hit.

These make me like the signings a lot more.

stephenson86
03-05-2008, 05:47 PM
lol3 guys on MONSTER contracts 2 of them havent really done anything and one of them has worse knees than my gran

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 05:49 PM
lol3 guys on MONSTER contracts 2 of them havent really done anything and one of them has worse knees than my gran

Look again, Kwame isn't on a monster contract at all and Walker's contract is hardly a big deal. $5 million in the first two years with only $6 million in signing bonus as opposed to the $16 million as reported by ESPN. That means he's only on the cap for $6 million his first two years. With the opportunity to come back to form and give Russell a veteran offensive weapon, it's worth it.

It certainly isn't Moss or even Berrian money.

yo123
03-05-2008, 06:59 PM
Javon Walker isn't even worth $4 million a year. . . The Raiders are OFFICIALLY doomed.


Yes he is. He's a top 10 receiver when healthy.

neko4
03-05-2008, 07:02 PM
Yes he is. He's a top 10 receiver when healthy.
But he hasnt been healthy since 2004

yo123
03-05-2008, 07:06 PM
But he hasnt been healthy since 2004



Yeah thats the problem. I would still take a flyer for 4 mill a year though.

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 07:08 PM
Then it's a good thing the Raiders are only paying him $5-6 million the 1st two years.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-05-2008, 07:18 PM
They also have Russell's big contract, and they have a top 10 pick this year, so that player is going to be getting paid as well.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-05-2008, 07:36 PM
But he hasnt been healthy since 2004

You mean 2006.

T-RICH49
03-05-2008, 08:37 PM
I am starting to be gald KC is building more through the draft then FA looking at the amount of money Oakland is spending on FA's especially Walker and Kelley

nobodyinparticular
03-05-2008, 10:42 PM
Did nobody see that Walker's contract contains a $6 millio signing bonus, not $16 million? That he's only costing the Raiders $6 million against the cap the 1st two years of the contract? That after those years he will either be released, cut, or re-signed to a new contract?

That Harris didn't get any kind of signing bonus? That he basically has an extended tryout with the Raiders in which Oakland could release him for no charge if they don't feel he is worth the money?

bearsfan_51
03-05-2008, 10:55 PM
NIP, it's a six million dollar signing bonus, but 16 million of it is guaranteed. That alone is too much money.

Geo
03-05-2008, 11:07 PM
Maybe the $10M remaining is in the form of option bonuses, roster bonuses, and the like. In the same vein as the contract Donte Stallworth signed with the Patriots last summer, which had an overall value of 6 years/ $32M with $12M in guaranteed/bonuses - the numbers obviously deceiving.

Edit: Nevermind. If PFT states it right, the 6M signing bonus now, plus the 5M base salary in 07, plus the 5M base salary in 08, is what's being reported as the 16M guaranteed. I guess I can see the point, in that the Raiders aren't going to cut bait before the second year, but it's strange to see that calculation imo.

Race for the Heisman
03-06-2008, 08:27 AM
Maybe Al is just getting a head start on the end of the CBA...

Larry
03-06-2008, 10:15 AM
I feel bad for Russell. He's getting a WR with bad knees and one of the worst right tackle's in the nfl.

portermvp84
03-06-2008, 12:01 PM
We should build our team through the draft that's the smart thing to do, but of course Al's gotta throw the money at the old vets with question marks.

gdamac
03-06-2008, 09:10 PM
We should build our team through the draft that's the smart thing to do, but of course Al's gotta throw the money at the old vets with question marks.

I hear ya, you have to use free agency as well though, and he only has 5 draft picks this year. I know he's done this before, but I think he tries to use the draft, he just misses on too many first rounders.

Komp
03-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Gallery really did hurt us by not turning into the franchise LT he was supposed to, and we have nothing to show for giving up that #7 pick for Moss. We've done an ok job with our early picks the past few years [Zach Miller, Thomas Howard, Nnamdi, Fabs] but none of our mid-late rounds picks other than Kirk Morrison have panned out to be anything special.