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FA1
03-13-2008, 11:34 PM
1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, 34OLB, Virginia

With change to the 34 scheme and the FA additions of Jason Ferguson to play NT and Randy Starks to play DE, DTs Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis, who were once considered top candidates, are now pretty much out of the equation. Bill Parcells loves two things more than anything else in football: running the ball behind a powerful OL and edge rushers like Lawrence Taylor and DeMarcus Ware. That brings three candidates to the front: DE/OLBs Chris Long and Vernon Gholston and OT Jake Long, and I believe that is their order on the Dolphins' board. Chris Long, to me, is the top overall player in the draft. Forget the bloodlines, although it does help, this guy goes 100% on every play and has proven to be a better athlete than most expected. He is a natural to play OLB in the 34. Vernon Gholston is more of a physical presence, but is not as fluid or natural in space as Chris. OT Jake Long is simply not worthy of the #1 overall pick, in my opinion.

2. St. Louis Rams - Vernon Gholston, 43DE, Ohio State

Contrary to popular belief, the Rams are actually in decent shape at DT, having moved last year's 1st rounder Adam Carriker inside. It's true that La'Roi Glover's football days are nearly over, but Clifton Ryan and Claude Wroten are waiting in the wings. DE is a position of much greater need, with the release of James Hall, Leonard Little's best days behind him, and no depth to speak of. OT Jake Long has been a popular choice, citing the deteriorating health and overall play of franchise LT Orlando Pace. The fact of the matter is, if Pace can remain healthy, with former 1st round pick Alex Barron manning the other side and waiting to take over at LT, the Rams would be spending the #2 pick, and the money that comes with it, on an OG, while still having a glaring need on the other side of the ball. It's just not practical.

3. Atlanta Falcons - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

Everywhere I look, I see people picking Matt Ryan to the Falcons. If that happens at #3, I feel this franchise, which cannot afford any more mistakes, is making another big one. Regardless of what anyone says, I will not believe Ryan is worthy of being a top 5 pick. I don't even consider him a top 10 pick. I'm not even sold on him being the best QB in the draft. The Falcons would be much better served to target Joe Flacco or Chad Henne with their 2nd round pick. By waiting, they may even get lucky enough to find either Ryan or Brohm still available in the 2nd. I'm not saying that will happen, but I'm saying it could. The Falcons obviously need a QB, but they also have desperate needs at both DT and OT, with much more worthy players, Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, and Jake Long, available to fill one of those needs. Dorsey would be the most fan-pleasing pick, and since that is very important to the organization at this point, that is the way they have to lean.

4. Oakland Raiders - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

This is where it all gets interesting... I have no doubt that the top two players on Oakland's board are DEs Chris Long and Vernon Gholston. Chris Long obviously carries his dad's legacy with the silver and black, while Gholston is the freakish athlete Al Davis covets. In this scenario, however, both are off the board. However, as Davis checks his board, he can't help but notice that Darren McFadden is still available. Davis will obviously be tempted, but he cannot, in good sense, take McFadden, especially after re-signing Justin Fargas, a similar style RB, to an extension. That doesn't mean he won't, just that he can't in good sense.

However, with McFadden on the board, it opens up trade possibilities that the Raiders would love to explore. Having to pay the money for last year's #1 overall pick, and overpaying numerous free agents this off-season, the Raiders are pretty strapped for cash and would benefit from not having to pay this year's #4 pick. They also have more holes than one pick can fill, so they would greatly benefit from having the extra picks a trade would bring. This may be where Jerry Jones steps up and makes his move, although it cannot be assumed.

Speaking of those many holes, with the retirement of Warren Sapp and the release of Barry Sims, the Raiders have huge needs at both DT and OT. They did sign OT Kwame Harris for whatever that's worth. At those two positions, with Dorsey off the board, they're looking at Sedrick Ellis and Jake Long. Ellis would be more of a fan-favorite pick, being from USC, but there are two strong cases to be made for Long. First, they need to protect their prized QB JaMarcus Russell. Second, it would keep him away from the division rival Chiefs, who are salivating at the opportunity to draft him. However, despite the strong cases I just made, I still believe if the choice is between those two, the selection will be Ellis.

5. Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Rejoice! While it is certain that Jake Long is the top player on their board, it is far from certain that he will be available. Every team picking ahead of them can make a strong case to select Long and it obviously just takes one deciding to pull the trigger to kill the Chiefs' dreams. If Long is off the board, the Chiefs' first instinct will be to move down 3-7 spots to be in better position not to reach for OTs Ryan Clady or Chris Williams. If McFadden is on the board, as he is in this case, they will have suitors. If they cannot find a trade partner, I believe they would rather select DT Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey, if they're available, than reach for Clady or Williams.

6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

The Jets would love to trade out of this spot to grab a WR later in the round. As I've said for the third straight pick, if McFadden is on the board, there will be suitors, especially Jerry Jones. At this point, if they cannot find a partner, and with Gholston off the board, it would surprise everyone if McFadden is not the pick. If both Gholston and McFadden are off the board and they can't move down, I believe they would go for Keith Rivers. You can never have too many LBs, especially running a 34 scheme, and it would keep him from the rival Patriots.

7. New England Patriots - Keith Rivers, ILB, USC

With the losses of Asante Samuel (Phi) and Randall *** (NO) in free agency, CB is a position of definite need and they are likely to use multiple draft picks to address that need. However, Samuel was a 4th round pick and *** was an UFA. Returning starter Ellis Hobbs was a 3rd round pick. The Patriots simply know how to draft CBs later in the draft and will likely target guys like Brandon Flowers, who would be a perfect fit should he be around when they pick in the 2nd, Trae Williams, or DeJuan Tribble, who would be a great fits in the 4th. Along with those facts, there are no CBs in this draft worth the #7 overall pick. That said, with Teddy Bruschi and Junior Seau nearing the end of their careers and no depth behind them, ILB is also a huge need. True, Mike Vrabel and Adalius Thomas are both capable of playing inside, but they shouldn't. Why hurt one position to help another? Keith Rivers is a fast and fluid LB, who played outside at USC, but would be a perfect fit inside in the Patriots' 34 scheme.

8. Baltimore Ravens - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State

The Ravens could go many ways with this pick, depending on who is available. They could take a QB, considering their endless struggles at the position, however, having busted on Kyle Boller, they may hesitate to pull the trigger in the 1st. They may determine that it would be better to take their chances with whoever falls to them in the 2nd, likely Flacco or Henne. With the aging of their starters at CB, they could go in that direction, likely targeting Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Should DTs Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis or LB Keith Rivers be available, they would be hard to let pass. However, their biggest need is at OT, where they need to find a replacement for Jonathan Ogden. It may be that they already have his replacement in Jared Gaither, although if they don't have that confidence in him, they would likely select either Ryan Clady or Chris Williams here. The two are very closely rated, but for now, I give Clady the slight advantage.

9. Cincinnati Bengals - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame

This scenario pretty much plays out as the worst-case for the Bengals, with both top DTs and Keith Rivers off the board.. or does it? In reality, Laws may be exactly what this organization needs. He is the type of all-out player that could raise the level of play of the entire defense. Many expect them to target a DE, citing the departure of Justin Smith, but they signed Antwan Odom to replace him and still have Robert Geathers on the other side. It may not be great, but it's a lot better than what they have inside. The LB position is a terrible mess, but it's too high for Dan Connor here. "Oh, but it's not too high for Trevor Laws?" you ask. Well, I firmly believe that Laws is near, if not in the same class as Dorsey and Ellis.

10. New Orleans Saints - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State

Despite the additions of Jason David last year and Randall *** this off-season, the CB position is far from solid. The same can be said about the LB position, despite the recent additions of Jonathan Vilma and Dan Morgan. However, with Keith Rivers off the board, there is no LB worthy of the pick. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a long, lean, super-athletic small-school CB who has proven since his first day in Mobile that he belongs with the big boys. He is the tallest (6'1.5"), fastest (4.29/4.33), and overall most athletic (38.5" vj, 10'11" bj, 4.17 ss, 6.74 3-cone) of the top CBs, also possessing the best ball skills and play-making ability and more than adequate strength (17 reps of 225). I don't even need to bring up his relation to not only SD CB Antonio Cromartie, but also former Oakland Raiders 1st round pick Fabian Washington, because he's a good enough player in his own right. I know I just did, but I didn't need to.

KCJ58
03-13-2008, 11:35 PM
great Rams pick

Thunder&Lightning
03-14-2008, 07:23 AM
Pretty good i think laws is a reach at 9 though...

eaglesalltheway
03-14-2008, 07:36 AM
Ehh, alright. I think the Ravens would pick Ryan if he is still available, but who knows.

T-RICH49
03-14-2008, 07:56 AM
sweet Chiefs pick

Bills2083
03-14-2008, 08:14 AM
Trevor Laws at #9?
I really dont see that happening.

proshoota25
03-14-2008, 09:44 AM
goood effort, nice pats pick

princefielder28
03-14-2008, 10:11 AM
Looks like a mock I saw on Facebook....Laws is a workhorse but not a Top 10 pick

vidae
03-14-2008, 10:48 AM
Great Chiefs pick.

thebow305
03-14-2008, 12:38 PM
I'm pretty sure if the Bengals had to go DT in the first, with the big 2 already off the board, they would probably go Balmer. Laws a top 10 pick?? Is that serious?

Anyway, great Phins pick!

619
03-14-2008, 12:50 PM
If the Raiders stay put at #4 and both Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are off the board then if Al Davis is in the right state of mind I would look for Jake Long to be the consensus there.

FA1
03-14-2008, 09:31 PM
Looks like a mock I saw on Facebook....Laws is a workhorse but not a Top 10 pick

It probably was my mock you saw on Facebook. Teams are falling in love with Laws the same way they did with Okoye last year. He had an amazing year, amassing over 100 tackles from his line position, a great Senior Bowl, pretty much, if not matching Sedrick Ellis play for play, and then a great combine, beating Ellis across the board. He will go top 20 and I do firmly believe could go top 10, especially in this scenario.

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FA1
03-14-2008, 09:32 PM
I'm pretty sure if the Bengals had to go DT in the first, with the big 2 already off the board, they would probably go Balmer. Laws a top 10 pick?? Is that serious?

Anyway, great Phins pick!

Balmer is WAY overrated. Late 1st round value at best.

FA1
03-14-2008, 09:35 PM
If the Raiders stay put at #4 and both Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are off the board then if Al Davis is in the right state of mind I would look for Jake Long to be the consensus there.

I gave two very compelling reasons for the Raiders to take Jake. However, they still have a very bad taste in their mouth from the last OT they drafted in the top 5... out of the Big Ten...

Bradyjackson12
03-14-2008, 09:41 PM
Great Pats pick!

nobodyinparticular
03-14-2008, 10:26 PM
I gave two very compelling reasons for the Raiders to take Jake. However, they still have a very bad taste in their mouth from the last OT they drafted in the top 5... out of the Big Ten...

Really? Do they? When was the last time you tasted Al Davis' mouth?

And the Raiders are cash strapped? Have you been the one managing the books in Oakland? Hmmm, I fail to see how either of these are absolute statements in the way that you are making them.

And I also see that you have totally missed the whole "Tommy Kelly is going to take over for Warren Sapp" bit that was spread so much around the football world (sarcastically, skeptically or seriously). The Raiders feel that Kelly is going to replace Sapp immediately (hence the $50M contract). So the whole "Sapp is retiring so the Raiders need a DT to replace him" doesn't work either. In this situation it's Long, McFadden or trade.

FA1
03-14-2008, 10:36 PM
Really? Do they? When was the last time you tasted Al Davis' mouth?

And the Raiders are cash strapped? Have you been the one managing the books in Oakland? Hmmm, I fail to see how either of these are absolute statements in the way that you are making them.

And I also see that you have totally missed the whole "Tommy Kelly is going to take over for Warren Sapp" bit that was spread so much around the football world (sarcastically, skeptically or seriously). The Raiders feel that Kelly is going to replace Sapp immediately (hence the $50M contract). So the whole "Sapp is retiring so the Raiders need a DT to replace him" doesn't work either. In this situation it's Long, McFadden or trade.

Well aren't you in a festive mood? See, Tommy Kelly was a starter when Sapp was there... 2-1=2? Don't think so.

msealy2
03-14-2008, 11:47 PM
Looks good, the only thing I could see is Laws being high, but other than that good job.

TimD
03-14-2008, 11:53 PM
9. Cincinnati Bengals - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame.

Wow really? I think the Jets have a shot at him in the 2nd. He's not top 10 material

ThePudge
03-19-2008, 02:24 AM
Yikes. I respect the originality with Laws at #9; however, that is, without a doubt, the wrong pick there. The Bengals need a DT, it's likely their biggest need. While I could see a team surprising and taking Laws as early as say the Early 20's, I can't see it at the bottom of the Top 10 under any circumstance. DT is never a safe pick and to reach potentially an entire round to get their guy, seems extremely unlikely. Not sure Laws is their type of guy anyway. Notice the Bengals this offseason have made trades/backed out of trades including a couple big, bulky DT's Shaun Rogers and Dwayne Robertson. They've been talking extensively with Red Bryant of Texas A&M, this much I know. While that's certainly no lock, I think a guy like Bryant, Ahtyba Rubin, or Frank Okam is more likely in Rounds 2-3 if the Bengals miss out on Dorsey and Ellis.

As for LB, I highly doubt they'll pull the trigger this high. Not for Rivers, certainly not for Connor. The team is operating under a new system and has in place a new DC in Mike Zimmer and LB's coach in Jeff Fitzgerald. These two favor developing bigger, more athletic LB's later on in the draft. Stanford Keglar, Gary Guyton, and Ezra Butler are three names to remember come the 3rd Round in April for the Bengals. None of these players would start right away. Rather, they would sit and learn for a year, playing mostly on Special Teams, which is where Adalius Thomas first made his mark for the Ravens. Obviously Rivers and Connor don't exactly fit this mold. Quentin Groves, however, does. The team has shown Groves plenty of attention and Marvin Lewis personally attended his Pro Day. If the Bengals reach in the first round, there's a good chance it'll be for Groves, who will be given a year to develop before he is thrusted into the mix in 2009.

In this particular scenario, Groves is an option. Other options include Rashard Mendenhall, who Bengals OC Bob Bratkowski paid a special visit to on his Pro Day, or perhaps Chris Williams from Vanderbilt. Williams wouldn't start immediately of course, but would backup the oft-injured Levi Jones. If Williams was the pick, we could be looking at a line like this in 3 years:

LT - Chris Williams LG - Andrew Whitworth C - Eric Ghaiciuc RG - Bobbie Williams RT - Stacy Andrews. Very solid, though I'd assume we'd have plenty of depth ready for Bobbie Williams'/Ghaiciuc's sake.

Another player I STILL wouldn't count out is Derrick Harvey. The Bengals love him and he's been nothing but excellent in pre-draft workouts. He is a perfect fit in the Bengals defense and the type of pass-rusher the Bengals covet. Though we signed Odom and have Geathers back, I think it'd be very tough for Marvin Lewis to pass up Harvey, an elite pass-rushing specimen, if he fell to them at 9th Overall. Zimmer attended Harvey's Pro Day where he apparently turned in an "unbelievable workout." I hate to use it, because it is quite annoying, but just look at the Giants with Osi, Strahan, and Tuck among others. In this day and age though, pass-rushers are coveted. I expect Harvey to be gone by #9 surprisingly. Baltimore is possible and who knows, if the draft shakes out a certain way I wouldn't cross Oakland off the list. I see a pass-rushing DE for Oakland over DT where they spent plenty of money this offseason with Kelly. If Gholston's gone, Harvey may have just enough to catch Al Davis' eye. We'll see...

Another thing about your mock I don't like too much is Keith Rivers at #7. I don't see any quality of Rivers' that would warrant a Top 7 pick. I have a hard time projecting Rivers in the Top 15 actually. He's not the freakish athlete Hawk, Sims, or Willis was to use recent examples. If the Patriots don't trade down, they may be your suitor for Harvey. I whole-heartedly believe Harvey's top fit is in the 4-3, but he is the type of athlete and pass-rusher that could make the switch and be an impact player for New England.

As for leaving Matt Ryan out. Well, I think it's clear we have different stances there and I'll be content with keeping that argument/disagreement to one thread.

Overall it's not bad, nice to see something a bit different. However, I disagree with you on many things, from the 1st Pick all the way to 9. I am, however, a fan of Gholston to St. Louis, Long to Kansas City, and have no issues with McFadden to New York.

Oaktown1981
03-19-2008, 11:42 AM
Well aren't you in a festive mood? See, Tommy Kelly was a starter when Sapp was there... 2-1=2? Don't think so.

Kelly played RE when Sapp was in Oakland UT is his natural position. Raiders won't draft a UT with the 4th pick in the draft.

Finsfan79
03-19-2008, 02:03 PM
Gholston = 3-4 OLB
Long = 4-3 DE

Gholston for miami please

FA1
03-19-2008, 02:30 PM
Kelly played RE when Sapp was in Oakland UT is his natural position. Raiders won't draft a UT with the 4th pick in the draft.

Ellis is not an UT, he's a NT. I agree the Raiders would prefer to draft a DE... I mentioned the top 2 on their board being Chris Long and Gholston. However, with both gone, they need someone to pair inside with Kelly.

FA1
03-19-2008, 02:31 PM
Gholston = 3-4 OLB
Long = 4-3 DE

Gholston for miami please

I see it as the complete opposite. Long is much more fluid as an athlete and aware as a football player. He is the better fit as a 34 OLB than Gholston.

FA1
03-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Yikes. I respect the originality with Laws at #9; however, that is, without a doubt, the wrong pick there. The Bengals need a DT, it's likely their biggest need. While I could see a team surprising and taking Laws as early as say the Early 20's, I can't see it at the bottom of the Top 10 under any circumstance. DT is never a safe pick and to reach potentially an entire round to get their guy, seems extremely unlikely. Not sure Laws is their type of guy anyway. Notice the Bengals this offseason have made trades/backed out of trades including a couple big, bulky DT's Shaun Rogers and Dwayne Robertson. They've been talking extensively with Red Bryant of Texas A&M, this much I know. While that's certainly no lock, I think a guy like Bryant, Ahtyba Rubin, or Frank Okam is more likely in Rounds 2-3 if the Bengals miss out on Dorsey and Ellis.

Laws will go far higher than everyone on this board expects. He is rubbing off on scouts much the same way Amobi Okoye did last year. Would the top 10 be a reach? Maybe... but he will go in the top 20.

As for LB, I highly doubt they'll pull the trigger this high. Not for Rivers, certainly not for Connor. The team is operating under a new system and has in place a new DC in Mike Zimmer and LB's coach in Jeff Fitzgerald. These two favor developing bigger, more athletic LB's later on in the draft. Stanford Keglar, Gary Guyton, and Ezra Butler are three names to remember come the 3rd Round in April for the Bengals. None of these players would start right away. Rather, they would sit and learn for a year, playing mostly on Special Teams, which is where Adalius Thomas first made his mark for the Ravens. Obviously Rivers and Connor don't exactly fit this mold. Quentin Groves, however, does. The team has shown Groves plenty of attention and Marvin Lewis personally attended his Pro Day. If the Bengals reach in the first round, there's a good chance it'll be for Groves, who will be given a year to develop before he is thrusted into the mix in 2009.

They are targeting Groves in the 2nd, not the first. Don't read too much into that. That would be a bigger reach than Laws.

In this particular scenario, Groves is an option. Other options include Rashard Mendenhall, who Bengals OC Bob Bratkowski paid a special visit to on his Pro Day, or perhaps Chris Williams from Vanderbilt. Williams wouldn't start immediately of course, but would backup the oft-injured Levi Jones. If Williams was the pick, we could be looking at a line like this in 3 years:

LT - Chris Williams LG - Andrew Whitworth C - Eric Ghaiciuc RG - Bobbie Williams RT - Stacy Andrews. Very solid, though I'd assume we'd have plenty of depth ready for Bobbie Williams'/Ghaiciuc's sake.

You don't take a player in the top 10 if he will not start immediately... unless it's a QB. It's a waste.

Another player I STILL wouldn't count out is Derrick Harvey. The Bengals love him and he's been nothing but excellent in pre-draft workouts. He is a perfect fit in the Bengals defense and the type of pass-rusher the Bengals covet. Though we signed Odom and have Geathers back, I think it'd be very tough for Marvin Lewis to pass up Harvey, an elite pass-rushing specimen, if he fell to them at 9th Overall. Zimmer attended Harvey's Pro Day where he apparently turned in an "unbelievable workout." I hate to use it, because it is quite annoying, but just look at the Giants with Osi, Strahan, and Tuck among others. In this day and age though, pass-rushers are coveted. I expect Harvey to be gone by #9 surprisingly. Baltimore is possible and who knows, if the draft shakes out a certain way I wouldn't cross Oakland off the list. I see a pass-rushing DE for Oakland over DT where they spent plenty of money this offseason with Kelly. If Gholston's gone, Harvey may have just enough to catch Al Davis' eye. We'll see...

I'm not counting out Derrick Harvey, but forget about the chances of him going any higher than to Baltimore. He is far from his best as a 34 OLB.

Another thing about your mock I don't like too much is Keith Rivers at #7. I don't see any quality of Rivers' that would warrant a Top 7 pick. I have a hard time projecting Rivers in the Top 15 actually. He's not the freakish athlete Hawk, Sims, or Willis was to use recent examples. If the Patriots don't trade down, they may be your suitor for Harvey. I whole-heartedly believe Harvey's top fit is in the 4-3, but he is the type of athlete and pass-rusher that could make the switch and be an impact player for New England.

Keith Rivers is a pretty good athlete. Top 10 type? Probably not. He's not in Hawk's or Willis' class, but I put him securely in the top 15. However, he is versatile and polished and would be a perfect fit inside in the Patriots 34 scheme. Also, given the Patriots needs and the available players at that spot, Rivers would be their best option.

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
while i do agree with you the OT is a need, it still isnt a big a need a CB or QB. Passing on Matt Ryan, Leodis McKelvin, and Dominque Rodgers Cromarie for a Tackle when we've already got Marshall Yanda(very solid backup)Jared Gaither( is a project and deserves a chance to take over for Ogden) and Adam Terry whos done an okay job. coulda been much better though. I wouldnt be dissapointed if this was our pick come draft day, I just think we've got much bigger needs at CB, QB, and the D-line.

FA1
03-19-2008, 04:39 PM
while i do agree with you the OT is a need, it still isnt a big a need a CB or QB. Passing on Matt Ryan, Leodis McKelvin, and Dominque Rodgers Cromarie for a Tackle when we've already got Marshall Yanda(very solid backup)Jared Gaither( is a project and deserves a chance to take over for Ogden) and Adam Terry whos done an okay job. coulda been much better though. I wouldnt be dissapointed if this was our pick come draft day, I just think we've got much bigger needs at CB, QB, and the D-line.

I am starting to back away from that pick, myself. I am still firm in my belief that it will not be Ryan, but I'm starting to lean heavily towards DRC with the chance it may be Derrick Harvey.

nobodyinparticular
03-21-2008, 07:21 PM
Boy. You sure are full of absolute statements for a guy who doesn't seem to know a whole lot.

Rjspartan
03-21-2008, 07:31 PM
good saints pick

FA1
03-21-2008, 07:43 PM
Boy. You sure are full of absolute statements for a guy who doesn't seem to know a whole lot.

Whatever you say, chief.