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Bills2083
03-14-2008, 08:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3290984

Billingsley26
03-14-2008, 09:02 AM
I have said a million times, I would always take a "football" guy over a freak athlete any day of the year.

619
03-14-2008, 09:13 AM
I do agree it is becoming a lost art but there are still a few old-school type of pass rushers out there such as Strahan, Umenyiora, Kerney, Allen, etc. Chris Long will also be another one while his counterpart Gholston is part of the new breed NFL traditionalists would preferrably not like to see.

Addict
03-14-2008, 09:44 AM
It's a little strange as a story, first they say the true pass-rushers are gone, the skill is out of the position, then they say it's got everything to do with the way offenses work these days...

Essentially you could say it's the fault of the college level, but I believe it's to be credited to the offensive co÷rdinators, who have found a way to make the pass-rush less of a factor.

Billingsley26
03-14-2008, 10:38 AM
It's a little strange as a story, first they say the true pass-rushers are gone, the skill is out of the position, then they say it's got everything to do with the way offenses work these days...

Essentially you could say it's the fault of the college level, but I believe it's to be credited to the offensive co÷rdinators, who have found a way to make the pass-rush less of a factor.

I think it is both. A lot of college's now want that speed type pass rusher, and OL just cant handle it. A top edge speed rusher may face 1 or 2 top flight OL in a year, and not be able to get by them. But in the other 10 games they are playing a bunch of slack jobs who wont ever play football again. You see my point? They dont emphasize "teaching", rather using athleticism to get by. Once you get to the NFL, the OL are just as athletic as the DE with just as good feet. Thus, the coaching job needs to be top flight, and they need to "teach" the players.

But it is the case all along. I would have to say, that any football team I have seen, at any level, lineman recevie the LEAST amount of teaching of all position. There just isnt the emphasis on teaching them the tricks of the trade anymore.

Hawk
03-14-2008, 11:07 AM
A lot of the moves Reggie White used would be a penalty. He would just push the lineman in the head until he fell down, then go get the QB.

Addict
03-14-2008, 11:08 AM
A lot of the moves Reggie White used would be a penalty. He would just push the lineman in the head until he fell down, then go get the QB.

and we don't even need to get started on Deacon Jones...

eaglesalltheway
03-14-2008, 11:29 AM
and we don't even need to get started on Deacon Jones...

I'm sure if it would have been legal, he would have axed his way to the QB...

NY+Giants=NYG
03-14-2008, 12:05 PM
I do agree it is becoming a lost art but there are still a few old-school type of pass rushers out there such as Strahan, Umenyiora, Kerney, Allen, etc. Chris Long will also be another one while his counterpart Gholston is part of the new breed NFL traditionalists would preferrably not like to see.

Well Osi is because of Strahan. Strahan is the guy who taught Osi all that he knows. Both are really good friends with each other. I am sure both guys will pass their knowledge down to Tuck as well.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:08 PM
i loved this article and agree with it. too many times i see great talents at pass rusher rely too much on their athleticism to get by. names that come up to me are Peppers, and Ware for example.

Both those guys have amazing potential, and can be even better than they are if they just refined their craft. Ware is an absolute beast, but if he just worked on his craft the man can get 18 sacks easy.

I wouldn't say that its an entirely lost art however. Guys like Jared Allen, Osi, Tuck, Kampman, Van DenBosh, Merriman for example are a couple of young guys who use great technique. Im sure theres more but im forgetting them at the moment.

Id say Strahan and Jason Taylor are probably the 2 best technical pass rushers in the game. Its all about leverage. Thats why, contrary to popular believe, 6 7" or 6 8" is not the ideal height for a DE, 6 4" is.