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GB12
03-15-2008, 03:12 PM
As reported on ESPN News Jon Kitna has made the same statement as last year.


Some people just never learn.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:13 PM
yeah maybe if they start Stanton.

what a dumbass.

Dam8610
03-15-2008, 03:13 PM
If they can improve their defense enough, he could be right.

SaintsFanForLife
03-15-2008, 03:13 PM
Good luck with that Jon.

Cashmoney
03-15-2008, 03:13 PM
Good Luck with that Jon Kitna.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:15 PM
If they can improve their defense enough, he could be right.

its possible but they need dline and oline. i just think its rather dumb of him to be so bold, when theres no guarantee he'll even start for them next year.

its like David Carr telling the world we're going to repeat as Super Bowl champions.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-15-2008, 03:15 PM
If at first you don't succeed...you're probably on the Lions.

Cashmoney
03-15-2008, 03:17 PM
Good luck with that Jon.

Good Luck with that Jon Kitna.

Creepy....

SaintsFanForLife
03-15-2008, 03:18 PM
Creepy....

Yea I know and posted at the same time....

Gay Ork Wang
03-15-2008, 03:19 PM
Well he is optimistic...if he says it after every season eventually its gonna happen someday right? I dont think he realizes that he is on the lions

Click (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/SPORTS0101/803150326/1004)

The article

keylime_5
03-15-2008, 03:20 PM
Well I expect that they'll draft a back in round 1 or 2 and become a more balanced team without Mike Martz ruining their offensive philosophy. That should result in a lot less pressure on the O-Line and Roy and Calvin at WR to take the safeties out of the box resulting in a balanced high powered offense. The defense is gonna suck again though, so I think they will around 7-9 games this year, especially in that weak division. Considering they started 6-2 last year, 10 wins is definitely not out of the question.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:21 PM
im looking forward to the eminent verbal dispute that will go on between BF51 and Tactalation in this thread.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:23 PM
Well I expect that they'll draft a back in round 1 or 2 and become a more balanced team without Mike Martz ruining their offensive philosophy. That should result in a lot less pressure on the O-Line and Roy and Calvin at WR to take the safeties out of the box resulting in a balanced high powered offense. The defense is gonna suck again though, so I think they will around 7-9 games this year, especially in that weak division. Considering they started 6-2 last year, 10 wins is definitely not out of the question.

if they can't block it up front, the rest doesn't matter. they need to shore up that oline.

especially when the rest of the division will pose some formidable dlines this upcoming season. The Bears and Pack will have great dlines, and the Vikings are a DE away from having a great one as well.

Geo
03-15-2008, 03:29 PM
For sheer interest, courtesy of the team web site:

The Detroit Lions 2008 regular season opponents are:

Home: Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Tennessee and Washington.

Away: Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Carolina, Houston, Indianapolis and San Francisco.

RAZERSAINTS
03-15-2008, 03:30 PM
I dont think they have gotten any better. The Oline is bad. They need to fix that first.

bigbluedefense
03-15-2008, 03:32 PM
For sheer interest, courtesy of the team web site:

depending on their offseason, i can see them winning 6 games. they have a tough division, and play the AFC South? Doesn't sound like a winning combination for a team with the worst defense in the division and worst oline in the division. that usually doesn't win 8 games, let alone 10.

buuut, i will reserve total condemnation until after i review their draft.

RAZERSAINTS
03-15-2008, 03:33 PM
7 wins max. IMO

Jakey
03-15-2008, 03:36 PM
They've got a chance...but i think they are more of an 8-8 team next year.

But with that said, if they can land a premier RB, and some solid o-line players...i wouldnt be shocked if it happened. If they drafted a Mendenhall, Nicks etc...in the first 2 rounds, that gives them a good shot IMO.

regoob2
03-15-2008, 03:36 PM
I doubt they do win 10 but the NFC north is a crap shoot right now, they'll probably make the playoffs before they win 10.

Geo
03-15-2008, 03:37 PM
I wish I had the effort willing to find the data, but I think any Detroit Lions fans will agree, their defense plays much better at home. Considerably better. I'm positive the stats bear it out, at least in terms of forcing turnovers.

On the road, they are prone to disasters like the losses to Team Sweden (Philly in their alternate unis) and Washington. Good thing for them the Colts game is at the Luke.

Cashmoney
03-15-2008, 03:42 PM
With that schedule, I can really and truly only see them winning 7 games.

scottyboy
03-15-2008, 03:47 PM
didn't he also say after the Giants game that the better team had lost?

Just checking...

PACKmanN
03-15-2008, 04:50 PM
They only have a chance of winning 2-3 games this year... Those teams are Falcons, 49ers, and Texans.

bearsfan_51
03-15-2008, 04:53 PM
im looking forward to the eminent verbal dispute that will go on between BF51 and Tactalation in this thread.
No need, I've got this.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/KitnaHalloween.jpg

P-L
03-15-2008, 04:54 PM
I think some people are really overrating the Lions, which is weird to say. We are definitely going to be a worse team this year than last, and the schedule is tougher. We'll go 3-13 or 4-12 in my opinion. Looking at that schedule now, I only see about 7 winnable games. And let's be honest, the Lions only win 25%-50% of their winnable games. We won't get nearly as lucky again this year (sweeping Chicago, stealing one from Tampa Bay, coming oh so close to beating the Giants).

GB12
03-15-2008, 04:55 PM
They only have a chance of winning 2-3 games this year... Those teams are Falcons, 49ers, and Texans.
I wouldn't go that far, 6-10 seems about where they'll be at for me.

Starvsnr
03-15-2008, 05:34 PM
Last year he never said they were definatly going to win 10 games. He said with the new coaching staff he would not be suprised if they won 10 games. Thats being optimistic.

keylime_5
03-15-2008, 05:47 PM
if they can't block it up front, the rest doesn't matter. they need to shore up that oline.

especially when the rest of the division will pose some formidable dlines this upcoming season. The Bears and Pack will have great dlines, and the Vikings are a DE away from having a great one as well.

I don't think Detroit's O-Line is as bad as it looked last year. Detroit was a passing 1 dimensional team and the front five had a lot of pressure on them. I think if they have a good back and the right scheme then the same O-Line will play way better. Think Houston Texans in 2007, same line, no where near as many sacks.

bearsfan_51
03-15-2008, 05:53 PM
Last year he never said they were definatly going to win 10 games. He said with the new coaching staff he would not be suprised if they won 10 games. Thats being optimistic.
It's an issue of semantics. It's just like when Roy Williams used to say, "we should have scored 40 points" when they scored 6. It just makes him look stupid and gives people another reason to laugh at the Lions.

Gay Ork Wang
03-15-2008, 05:53 PM
the Texans didnt get sacked that often cause they didnt have Carr dropping back... He is like a walking Dummy with a sign "SACK ME"

Michigan
03-15-2008, 06:05 PM
As a Lions fan I really can't see the Lions winning more than 5-6 games next year. Both lines are mediocre to horrible and our LB's can't cover.
As a Michigan fan, I really can't see the Lions winning more than 5-6 games for the next 5 years. Drew F$%&#%! Stanton is our future QB.

bearsfan_51
03-15-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't think Detroit's O-Line is as bad as it looked last year. Detroit was a passing 1 dimensional team and the front five had a lot of pressure on them. I think if they have a good back and the right scheme then the same O-Line will play way better. Think Houston Texans in 2007, same line, no where near as many sacks.
That had little to do with scheme, Carr just didn't know how to get rid of the ball.

I agree that the sacks will go down with Martz gone, but that's only accounting for one aspect of the change.

Addict
03-15-2008, 06:14 PM
Even with a good draft, I can't see us win more than 7.

leroyisgod
03-15-2008, 06:50 PM
Ya, Ya, Ya

Boston
03-15-2008, 09:17 PM
If he was on any other team, he could say that every year, and he would eventually be right. The problem is, he plays for the Lions...

BaLLiN
03-15-2008, 10:48 PM
This past season Detriot was doing very well, and then just stopped winning, its possible, but not probable.

awfullyquiet
03-16-2008, 02:28 AM
five games isn't unlikely.

but the NFCN is way tougher than kitna thinks i think. and that's 6 games that they could very possibly lose.

and in addition, they have indy. jax. tb. tenn. and washington to beat too. that 10 games will be hard to make.

i think many flaws will be exposed without mike martz... he was honestly making this team look as good as it did last year.

LonghornsLegend
03-16-2008, 03:08 AM
I would let him slide with this comment if they werent playing the AFC south this year, also if he didnt just get done eating those words recently...The Lions still have a ways to go, they might be looking at taking a qb rd 1 next year and Kitna might not finish the season.

umphrey
03-16-2008, 11:39 AM
Like others said, they are still gonna be a bottom feeder until their OL and DL improve to be at least mediocre.

I predict 4 wins.

P-L
03-16-2008, 12:00 PM
You guys are misunderstanding him. He thinks we're going to go 3-13 and we'll have a total of 10 wins over a two year span. Much more realistic IMO.

Xiomera
03-16-2008, 12:03 PM
The funny thing is that even if the Lions attain 10 wins this season, it likely won't be Jon Kitna quarterbacking the team to most of them.

Drew Stanton will supplant him by midseason, IMO.

Addict
03-16-2008, 12:14 PM
You guys are misunderstanding him. He thinks we're going to go 3-13 and we'll have a total of 10 wins over a two year span. Much more realistic IMO.

Yeah... Jon's just misunderstood...

He won't even finish the season as a starter... But you know, maybe he can put in a good word with Jesus or something.

lionsfan81
03-16-2008, 12:18 PM
WOW Jon's statement got taken out of context fast. But I guess thats journalism for ya. Here is how Jon really said it and how the first part got left out and now Jon is "making predictions"


GRAND RAPIDS -- Detroit Lions quarterback Jon Kitna isn't offering any bold proclamations about the team's chances for the upcoming season.

He learned his lesson last year.

Instead, Kitna repeated that reaching the 10-win plateau in 2008 remains the franchise's goal if it hopes to return to the NFL playoffs for the first time in nine years.

"I'm not making any predictions," he said with a laugh prior to signing autographs Friday night at the Arena Football League game between the Grand Rapids Rampage and Chicago Rush in front of a sellout crowd at Van Andel Arena.

"We'll be disappointed to not win 10 games. To not win 10 games means you're not in the playoffs, so that's the same expectation level we'll have this year," he added. "I'm still trying to get over the disappointment of last season."


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/03/lions_qb_jon_kitna_on_kevin_jo.html


Jon said im not making any predictions, just that he would be dissapointed if they didnt win 10 games becuase that means they probably wouldn't make the playoffs and that is what EVERY teams expectations are. NO prediction, he just wants to make the playoffs. Hes not even predicting they will make the playoffs or anything.

Gay Ork Wang
03-16-2008, 12:32 PM
well he'll be disappointed because he thinks this team is able to do it. And well thats just not true

Addict
03-16-2008, 12:34 PM
WOW Jon's statement got taken out of context fast. But I guess thats journalism for ya. Here is how Jon really said it and how the first part got left out and now Jon is "making predictions"


GRAND RAPIDS -- Detroit Lions quarterback Jon Kitna isn't offering any bold proclamations about the team's chances for the upcoming season.

He learned his lesson last year.

Instead, Kitna repeated that reaching the 10-win plateau in 2008 remains the franchise's goal if it hopes to return to the NFL playoffs for the first time in nine years.

"I'm not making any predictions," he said with a laugh prior to signing autographs Friday night at the Arena Football League game between the Grand Rapids Rampage and Chicago Rush in front of a sellout crowd at Van Andel Arena.

"We'll be disappointed to not win 10 games. To not win 10 games means you're not in the playoffs, so that's the same expectation level we'll have this year," he added. "I'm still trying to get over the disappointment of last season."


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/03/lions_qb_jon_kitna_on_kevin_jo.html


Jon said im not making any predictions, just that he would be dissapointed if they didnt win 10 games becuase that means they probably wouldn't make the playoffs and that is what EVERY teams expectations are. NO prediction, he just wants to make the playoffs. Hes not even predicting they will make the playoffs or anything.

http://partypooper.blogs.com/party%20pooper.bmp

Iamcanadian
03-16-2008, 01:09 PM
I think some people are really overrating the Lions, which is weird to say. We are definitely going to be a worse team this year than last, and the schedule is tougher. We'll go 3-13 or 4-12 in my opinion. Looking at that schedule now, I only see about 7 winnable games. And let's be honest, the Lions only win 25%-50% of their winnable games. We won't get nearly as lucky again this year (sweeping Chicago, stealing one from Tampa Bay, coming oh so close to beating the Giants).

I have to agree with you. Kitna is the problem on offense, he simply lacks the skills to utilize his great WR's and right now Marinelli wants to pound the ball but hasn't got a 1st string RB who can get the job done and there is no guarantee in the draft that they will get one.
On defense, it is pretty sad. The DL which is so crucial for a Cover 2 team cannot consistantly mount a pass rush exposing their LB and CB who play a zone, to getting beat because a zone is only effective if the QB can be limited by a pass rush in finding the open areas. Detroit cannot do that and teams will pick their defense apart.
Realistically, we are looking at 3 wins with a possible shot at 5. We are a far worse team than last year and have a tougher schedule.
It's probably Kitna's last season and his predictions are growning thin. As the season becomes another Detroit disaster, I expect to see Stanton replace him.

GB12
03-16-2008, 01:16 PM
I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.

lionsfan81
03-16-2008, 01:36 PM
I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.

No one has said we wouldn't. The ocoord actually basically said the qb job is up for grabs. The best player will start at the qb position, I believe that. Jon is nowhere near guaranteed to be the starter.

Xiomera
03-16-2008, 01:49 PM
I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.

I don't know when the Lions bye week is this year, but if it is early on in the year as it always seems to be, then I expect Stanton to get the start the week afterwards. That seems to be how teams like to break in new QB's.

Only way Kitna keeps his job is if the Lions start off with 5 or 6 wins before the halfway point.

Iamcanadian
03-16-2008, 07:56 PM
I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.

Your talking like we are a well run organization. This is Matt Millen we are talking about and after 7 years of losing, he is hardly in a position to announce that we are startinbg another rebuilding program. In his mind after a 31 -81 record, we are on the verge of a playoff run and that is how he will approach the season as crazy as it is.
Stanton probably won't get a start until we are mathimatically eliminated from the playoffs.

Thunder&Lightning
03-17-2008, 07:05 AM
Not trying to bash the lions and there fans but i can only laugh by this comment. Why cant he learn his lesson the first time. I wonder what his teammates think of this comment. This only adds more pressure.

Addict
03-17-2008, 09:07 AM
Not trying to bash the lions and there fans but i can only laugh by this comment. Why cant he learn his lesson the first time. I wonder what his teammates think of this comment. This only adds more pressure.

last year with our schedule, it wasn't unthinkable, plus we started out 6-2... This year however, coming off a 1-7 crawl to the finish, I can only shake my head and hope against the odds he's right.

Besides, I'd just like to point out that he didn't predict anything, he simply stated that 10 wins usually means you make the playoffs, and that making the playoffs is a goal for any team, including his. Hence, he and his team are aiming for contendership and therefore their goal is 10 victories. He didn't say "We'll win ten games" he simply said that the goal for any team, including his, is to win at least ten games and go to the playoffs. It's just been horribly taken out of context and I don't think it's fair to Kitna or the Lions to be treated as if we are morons. If one really wants to place the title of 'moron' anywhere, in my opinion it should not be placed on Kitna, but on the people who read his statements and think it's a prediction.

PS: Next to the 'moron' title, I suggest some reading classes.

bearsfan_51
03-17-2008, 09:20 AM
last year with our schedule, it wasn't unthinkable, plus we started out 6-2... This year however, coming off a 1-7 crawl to the finish, I can only shake my head and hope against the odds he's right.

Besides, I'd just like to point out that he didn't predict anything, he simply stated that 10 wins usually means you make the playoffs, and that making the playoffs is a goal for any team, including his. Hence, he and his team are aiming for contendership and therefore their goal is 10 victories. He didn't say "We'll win ten games" he simply said that the goal for any team, including his, is to win at least ten games and go to the playoffs. It's just been horribly taken out of context and I don't think it's fair to Kitna or the Lions to be treated as if we are morons. If one really wants to place the title of 'moron' anywhere, in my opinion it should not be placed on Kitna, but on the people who read his statements and think it's a prediction.

PS: Next to the 'moron' title, I suggest some reading classes.
As I said before, it's an issue of semantics. Kitna knows both times that if he says "we'll be dissapointed if we don't win 10 games" it will be taken as "Kitna says Lions will win 10 games". He knows that. You know that. Everyone knows that.

And he's saying it for a very clear purpose, he wants the Lions players, fans, media, etc., to stop looking at them as losers. By showing confidence in his team he's hoping that other people will follow suit. Roy Williams has done the same thing on many occasions.

The problem is that most people will look at the Lions 50+ years of ineptitude, the fact that Jon Kitna sucks, and that they are still relatively void of talent, and keep laughing at him. And they should. It's a stupid thing to say and only makes him look foolish. At least when Roy Williams says it you can say "well Roy Williams is a good player". Everyone knew the Lions wouldn't win 10 games last year and it's highly unlikely that they'll do it this year. It's an unecessary distraction from a ****** player who should just think before he opens his mouth.

Addict
03-17-2008, 09:52 AM
As I said before, it's an issue of semantics. Kitna knows both times that if he says "we'll be dissapointed if we don't win 10 games" it will be taken as "Kitna says Lions will win 10 games". He knows that. You know that. Everyone knows that.

I'm not so sure about that actually. You could also see it as a guy who tries (albeit desperately) to keep his teammates and fans motivated. Plus the statement that ANY player in the NFL is dissapointed when he and his team do not make the playoffs doesn't seem so strange to me. It's a competitive league and I don't think any player on say... the Texans is going to say "yeah we won't make the playoffs, we've never made them so why would we now?". The fact of the matter is that in the NFL any team can win any game on any given sunday. I would be very dissapointed if my team (in my case, the lions) would start a season not even HOPING to make the playoffs.


And he's saying it for a very clear purpose, he wants the Lions players, fans, media, etc., to stop looking at them as losers. By showing confidence in his team he's hoping that other people will follow suit. Roy Williams has done the same thing on many occasions.

Again, I disagree, that's your view on what's happened and you're making it look like facts, you don't know why he said it, he may try to motivate his teammates or himself. I don't see the relevance of Roy Williams doing it too. I'd say the more the merrier, you don't win games by assuming you lose them.


The problem is that most people will look at the Lions 50+ years of ineptitude, the fact that Jon Kitna sucks, and that they are still relatively void of talent, and keep laughing at him. And they should. It's a stupid thing to say and only makes him look foolish. At least when Roy Williams says it you can say "well Roy Williams is a good player". Everyone knew the Lions wouldn't win 10 games last year and it's highly unlikely that they'll do it this year. It's an unecessary distraction from a ****** player who should just think before he opens his mouth.

What's stupid is to take a comment out of context, spin it and throw it out there, just to make fun of a player who is motivated and wants to win. I honestly don't see the harm in this.

On a side note, and this has been bugging me for a long time so I'll just let it out, I'm slowly growing very sick and tired of your constant bullying of Lions fans, because it would seem to me that the fans who stand by their team even after so many years of ineptitude are the best fans of all. And that doesn't just mean Lions fans, it means all fans of all franchises who have been bad for many years (the Browns come to mind, as do the Cardinals). Itīs very easy to love a winning team or a succesfull team, but to stand by your team even if they havenīt had a winning season for God knows how long, like some of the lions fans on these boards and in general? That's real love for your team. So please, just stop acting like we're idiots and show us some respect.

bored of education
03-17-2008, 09:55 AM
Silly silly boy!

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-17-2008, 10:38 AM
On a side note, and this has been bugging me for a long time so I'll just let it out, I'm slowly growing very sick and tired of your constant bullying of Lions fans, because it would seem to me that the fans who stand by their team even after so many years of ineptitude are the best fans of all. And that doesn't just mean Lions fans, it means all fans of all franchises who have been bad for many years (the Browns come to mind, as do the Cardinals). Itīs very easy to love a winning team or a succesfull team, but to stand by your team even if they havenīt had a winning season for God knows how long, like some of the lions fans on these boards and in general? That's real love for your team. So please, just stop acting like we're idiots and show us some respect.
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100% agree. Of course I'm a Lions fan and am sick of losing, but Bearsfan seems to have forgotten how awful the Bears were in the late 90s and early 2000s with the exception of the 2001 season when ragging on the Lions. Yes the Lions have been terrible with the exception of the 90s, but the past 50 years of losing(with old players nobody cares about now from the 60s, 70s and 80s and even 90s now) has nothing to do with the future of this team. Millen is a huge problem just like the Bears previous GM was, but Marinelli is getting the guys he wants. I don't know if it will work or not only time will tell, but its Marinellis show now.

The media asked the question so Kitna answered it the best way he can to motivate his team. The media blows it out of proportion so fans of other teams blow it out of proportion. If Kitna would have said no comment, I'm sure the media would say Kitna thinks that the Lions will be awful and can't achieve 10 wins.

Gay Ork Wang
03-17-2008, 11:53 AM
The media asked the question so Kitna answered it the best way he can to motivate his team. The media blows it out of proportion so fans of other teams blow it out of proportion. If Kitna would have said no comment, I'm sure the media would say Kitna thinks that the Lions will be awful and can't achieve 10 wins.
thats definitely what they would do. They thing is, no team, noone on the Dolphins, on the Cardinals, Raiders said sth like that. The media isnt doing anything. What makes u think they hate the lions so bad?

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-17-2008, 12:00 PM
thats definitely what they would do. They thing is, no team, noone on the Dolphins, on the Cardinals, Raiders said sth like that. The media isnt doing anything. What makes u think they hate the lions so bad?

I don't think they hate the Lions, I think they blow things out of proportion. The first time he was asked, Kitna was motivating his team as any leader should and said he would be disappointed if we didn't win 10 games. The media blew it out of proportion with countles storys on Kitnas 10 win gurantee and hence countless posts on football message boards about a non-issue really. Every QB thinks they can win 10 games. Once you lose your confidence you shouldn't be a QB in this league or a team leader.

Everyone knew they would ask Kitna again this offseason. And backing off his statement would not show good leadership. He can't be like I think we'll lose 10 games this year because we finished 1-7. Why would any starting QB ever say that. He said he wasn't guranteeing anything but again he would be disappointed if they didn't win 10. That is the truth. If they don't win 10 games, which is a good possibility Kitna will be disappointed(even though he always has that goofy smile on his face, he'll be disappointed.)

And as far as predicitons, other people make predictions. A lot of times predictions are wrong. But if you truly believe you can achieve something, which Kitna/Marinelli probably think they can, then why not say. You look like an idiot afterwards but that just motivates you even more the next season to get those 10 wins.

CC.SD
03-17-2008, 12:07 PM
I really supported the Lions last year, even before the season I thought they could make a playoff push. This year...looking at that schedule? I'm not even sure if they'll win a home game.

portermvp84
03-17-2008, 12:30 PM
And he'll go come up short again with only 9 wins.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-17-2008, 12:38 PM
I really supported the Lions last year, even before the season I thought they could make a playoff push. This year...looking at that schedule? I'm not even sure if they'll win a home game.


The schedule is hard every year. A lot depends on injuries during the season,home/away and how a team executes(sometimes they just don't show up). Division games are always the key. Lions went 3-3 last year in the division and always play division games tough at home no matter what kind of team the Lions have, even 3-13 it took a dropped Mike Williams pass to lose to the division champ Bears. With Favre retired, the Bears needing find a way to rebound to 2006 form defensively and in shambles on offense and the Vikes looking strong but still relying on Jackson, I see the divison as wide open. The Vikes,Bears,Packers have the same schedule with the exception of 2 games.