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ThePudge
03-17-2008, 03:16 PM
Once again, trying to throw something a little different out there. Of course, there are a good amount of trades. Enjoy!

Compensation Picks (projected by AdamJT13) included

TRADES

Atlanta trades CB DeAngelo Hall to Oakland for 2nd Round Pick (34th Overall). (Trade already agreed to in principle)

New England trades 1st Round Pick (7th Overall) to Carolina for 1st Round Pick (13th Overall), 3rd Round Pick (74th Overall) and 2009 3rd Round Pick.

Buffalo trades 1st Round Pick (11th Overall), 4th Round Pick (109th Overall), to Dallas for 1st Round Pick (22nd Overall), 3rd Round Pick (92nd Overall), and 2009 1st Round Pick.

Chicago trades 1st Round Pick (14th Overall) and 3rd Round Pick (90th Overall) to Washington for 1st Round Pick (21st Overall), 3rd Round Pick (84th Overall) and 2009 2nd Round Pick.

Kansas City trades 2nd Round Pick (35th Overall) and 3rd Round Pick (66th Overall) to Seattle for 1st Round Pick (25th Overall), 4th Round Pick (124th Overall) and 2009 3rd Round Pick.

Atlanta trades 2nd Round Pick (34th Overall) and 4th Round Pick (102nd Overall) to San Franciso for 1st Round Pick (29th Overall) and 6th Round Pick (178th Overall)

New York Giants trade 2nd Round Pick (63rd Overall), 3rd Round Pick (95th Overall), and 2009 5th Round Pick to Detroit for 2nd Round Pick (45th Overall)

Philadelphia Eagles trade 2nd Round Pick (49th Overall) and 4th Round Pick (114th Overall) to Cincinnati for 2nd Round Pick (46th Overall) and 2009 5th Round Pick

Seattle trades 3rd Round Pick (66th Overall), 5th Round Pick (161st Overall), and 2009 5th Round Pick), to Green Bay for 2nd Round Pick (60th Overall)

Minnesota trades 3rd Round Pick (73rd Overall) and 2009 3rd Round Pick to Dallas for 2nd Round Pick (61st Overall)

Chicago trades 3rd Round Pick (75th Overall) and 5th Round Pick (151st Overall) to San Francisco for 3rd Round Pick (70th Overall)

END TRADES


1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long - DE - Virginia
-Notice that I didn't put "DE/OLB" for Long. If they were looking for a 3-4 OLB, I would have to believe the pick would be Gholston at #1. However, as you can tell, I'm kind of banking on the Phins sticking with the 4-3, maybe throwing some different looks out there once in awhile. Chris Long is a Parcells type guy, smart football player who plays with a lot of heart. Jake Long, Matt Ryan, and Gholston all considered.

2. St. Louis Rams - Vernon Gholston - DE - Ohio State
-There have been rumors about the Rams falling in love with this guy, and why not? Gholston brings the pass-rushing ability and elite athleticism off the edge that they've been missing. I believe they'll go with this immediate need over a guy like Jake Long who may not even get the chance to start his first year.

3. Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
-Complain all you want Falcons fans, but realize this is your best option. Atlanta had endless problems at the QB position, Redman and Harrington provide insurance for the top signal caller in this draft. Ryan is solid all around, but his key attributes are his intangibles (or football smarts) and his toughness (both mentally and physically.) It was hard to pass up Long and Dorsey here, but I think Ryan gives this team the positive new face that it's looking for.

4. Oakland Raiders - Jake Long - OT - Michigan
-Surprisingly the Raiders go with the right pick over the flashy pick. McFadden may bring more raw talent to the table, but Jake Long is a damn good player. Long could play the left or right side, seeing as he's an equally strong pass-blocker and run-blocker. Will help to keep developing QB Jamarcus Russell's jersey clean.

5. Kansas City Chiefs - Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU
-The Chiefs don't get their guy, as Long is selected right in front of them. However, they get an extremely talented consolation prize in Dorsey, an elite DT prospect. Dorsey, though has injury issues, is a high energy DT who can rush the passer and stuff the run. Would quickly become the heart of the Chiefs D and bolster a DL that already includes Jared Allen and Tamba Hali.

6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
-The Jets are in a prime position to trade down, with Darren McFadden falling into their laps. However, Dallas won't have enough to offer and the Jets will decide that after missing out on Reggie Bush, and Thomas Jones flopping as a FA signing, they should add the most talented back in the class. McFadden has eye-popping speed and has excellent upper-body strength.

7. Carolina Panthers (f/NE via SF) - Ryan Clady - OT - Boise State
-John Fox and GM Marty Hurney attended Clady's Pro Day personally. Now, I'm willing to bet that wasn't for Orlando Scandrick. They could sit still, at 13, and hope Clady falls to them, but with Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Denver looming in between, Carolina decides to trade up and get their man. Clady is a model LT prospect with long arms, terrific athleticism, and good footwork.

8. Baltimore Ravens - Mike Jenkins - CB - South Florida
-With Clady gone, the Ravens look to CB where the battle is between Mike Jenkins and Leodis McKelvin. The two are similar players, but the feeling here is that Jenkins plays a bit more physical and is an elite athlete. Baltimore's DB coaches attended USF's Pro Day, and once again, I doubt it was to see another player, such as Trae Williams. I see Jenkins as the top fit for the Ravens.

9. Cincinnati Bengals - Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
-The board falls how the Bengals need it to and they have the chance to add arguably the best DT in the draft. Ellis is not tall, but is a bulky, strong NT type who has excellent quickness and can rush the passer. The perfect pick for Cincinnati here who has been looking for that big DT all offseason and has failed. Rashard Mendenhall was considered.

10. New Orleans Saints - Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
-Not often in mock drafts do you see McKelvin fall here. Arguably the best CB in the draft would fill a huge hole for the Saints, who would have to feel pretty fortunate he slipped through New England and Baltimore. Still, the team would rather have Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis here.

11. Dallas Cowboys (f/BUF) - Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
-The Cowboys are looking for that one little thing to push them over the hump and solidify their status as the best team in the NFC. Adding Mendenhall, a very special RB prospect, would help them do just that. Though it is somewhat of a gamble, the trade that is, Mendenhall is a player well worth a Top 10 pick, tremendous production a year ago, excellent power, breakaway speed, and hands out of the backfield. Would team with Marion Barber to form the most potent 1-2 RB punch in football.

12. Denver Broncos - Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt
-With all the action flying around in front of them, the Broncos stay put and get their man in the LT prospect out of Vanderbilt. Though lacking in strength, Williams is a good fit for Denver's ZBS. He is quick, has good feet, and excels in pass-protection. Should get the opportunity to start from Day One.

13. New England Patriots (f/CAR) - Aqib Talib - CB - Kansas
-The model zone corner for New England's 3-4 system adds size to their secondary. Would've been a reach at #7, the Pats are lucky to trade out and still get their man here. Talib is a risk-taking ball-hawk, just like Asante Samuel, he has 13 Int's over the past 3 years and has a chance to take each Int back the other way. One of the best draft day fits.

14. Washington Redskins (f/CHI) - Limas Sweed - WR - Texas
-Daniel Snyder isn't afraid to take risks, especially this one, to add the top WR prospect to his team's passing game. The Skins have lacked a big, athletic target who can go over the middle and can effectively get open in the redzone. Sweed creates matchup problems and would greatly help Jason Campbell out next season.

15. Detroit Lions - Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon
-The Lions are kind of out of luck here. Their top CB prospects are off the board, as are the top two RB prospects. However, Stewart is still a good value here at 15 and would give Detroit something they've surely been missing. He's a big. bulky back who is at his best between the tackles but can get loose and break huge runs with his speed and athleticism. Probably the toughest back in the class to bring down, would provide a redzone threat at RB.

16. Arizona Cardinals - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB/FS - Tenn. State
-DRC's draft stock is gaining momentum, but I'm not sure exactly where it tops out. I think 16th Overall is fair enough for him, to a team that could desperately use some help in the defensive backfield. If he becomes half the player his cousin is, this may be looked at as a steal.

17. Minnesota Vikings - Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
-A team in need of a pass-rusher that will be on the field more than one down per set finally find one in Harvey. He is a natural pass-rusher who combines great athleticism with an ability to get up field and get off the ball quickly. Could be the 10+ Sack guy that they've been looking for.

18. Houston Texans - Keith Rivers - OLB - USC
-It seems now, that no team is more set for the future on defense, at least in the front seven than Houston. Instead of reaching for a DB, the Texans stay put and steal the draft's top LB in Rivers. Rivers is not spectacular in any one particular area, but he has very few holes in his game and is a natural leader on the field.

19. Philadelphia Eagles - Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson
-The Eagles could use a DE that is equally as good against the run as he is against the pass. Merling could be for them what they hoped Darren Howard would be. Merling is a big, balanced DE who would bring stability to the line and ensure that Trent Cole stays fresh for passing downs. He may be able to even move inside on passing downs if he gains a few lbs.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DeSean Jackson - WR/PR - California
-A pick that makes sense on so many levels. Jackson provides the Bucs with a young speed receiver to stretch the field and learn from aging Joey Galloway and an explosive PR or KR for the league's worst kick return/punt return franchise of all time. Tampa Bay, as a whole, seems to lack any big play threat on offense other than Galloway who is in his mid 30's, a replacement is necessary.

21. Chicago Bears (f/WSH) - Branden Albert - OT/OG - Virginia
-An interesting pick here. The versatile Albert is considered to many the best OG prospect in this draft. However, at 6'5 1/2 309, Albert has LT size and athleticism. He's the type of player that is talented enough to make this transition. The Bears need OL help in the worst way and Albert could fill a number of holes, having the potential to play anywhere on the line (except for Center.)

22. Buffalo Bills (f/DAL) - Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State
-The Bills, after trading into this spot are free to target almost the WR of their choice with Kelly and Hardy still available. Word is, they've been talking to MSU's Thomas quite a bit and may even consider taking the big, athletic receiver at 11th Overall. An ideal situation to get him at 22. The Bills need a big WR that can attack the middle of the field and free up speedsters Lee Evans and Roscoe Parrish. Could be CB here in Cason or Flowers.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers - James Hardy - WR - Indiana
-It's tough to pass up Brandon Flowers and Jeff Otah here, but I believe Hardy, more so than those two, can take the Steelers to the next level. Hardy is a huge, Plaxico Burress-type, receiver who will create matchup nightmares for opposing defenses. A redzone threat at its' finest. Hardy is also athletic enough to command attention down-field and take defenders away from Santonio Holmes. An ideal #3 option in his rookie year who would quickly grow into a #1 or #2 behind Holmes.

24. Tennessee Titans - Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
-With the top receivers off the board, Balmer has to be the pick here. The Titans DL went through a dramatic overhaul this offseason in which they lost a starting DE and DT. Balmer fills a large need in the middle of that D and could help take the double teams away from Albert Haynesworth.

25. Kansas City Chiefs (f/SEA) - Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh
-As wild as it sounds, Otah was considered at 5th Overall. Falling to 25th, the Chiefs decide to move back into the first to get their man. A Herm Edwards dominating OT prospect. Otah is enormous, athletic and the Chiefs are rumored to love him. Seattle really has no need for this pick anyway, so they don't mind picking up an extra second and third round pick.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves - DE/OLB - Auburn
-The Jaguars sent plenty of scouts to Auburn's Pro Day not so long ago to look at Groves and Pat Sims. Groves is the type of elite pass-rushing prospect that Jacksonville covets after Bobby McCray left in free agency. He may be forced into action only as a 3rd Down pass-rusher and Special teams player his rookie season, but should find a way to really make his mark there.

27. San Diego Chargers - Kenny Phillips - S - Miami
-Another team that has to be feeling very fortunate for the draft to spin this way. Phillips has to be one of the Chargers top targets as the team is still lacking just a bit in the DB department. The pick here could easily be cornerback or offensive tackle also. An upset pick would be Malcolm Kelly at WR, as the team continues to try and mix and match receivers. However, they seemed to find something late in the season/playoffs with Vincent Jackson and Chris Chambers.

28. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
-Very tough pick for the Cowboys. It's between Cason and Malcolm Kelly and they have to make it count. The team goes with the more immediate need in Cason, believing they can find a quality receiver at the end of Round 2 if they have to. Cason is a perfect fit as a zone corner. Like Talib, he is a ball-hawk and has the ability to take it the distance when he has the ball. Had return experience in college that the Cowboys may try to use.

29. Atlanta Falcons (f/SF via IND) - Reggie Smith - CB/S - Oklahoma
-With Green Bay and New York looming, the Falcons trade up to get their man in Reggie Smith. Smith can play either CB or S for this ailing secondary. He is a playmaker with good size, speed, and experience. San Francisco doesn't mind trading back after their top prospects were taken toward the early-mid 20's and the Falcons have picks to burn.

30. Green Bay Packers - Brandon Flowers - CB - Vriginia Tech
-A small, physical corner that will fit right in learning from Al Harris, another physical, scrappy corner. Is a good fit in zone coverage, but has the physicality to make the transition to a man defense. Flowers is a ball-hawk that will take some risks, but should be able to really help this team right away as a physical nickel CB.

New England Patriots - Pick Forfeited

31. New York Giants - Jerod Mayo - ILB/OLB - Tennessee
-A man climbing the boards very quickly, and on draft day, he may be long gone by this point. Has more or less cemented his place in the first round (per plenty of sources.) Mayo was a 2nd-3rd Round Pick coming into the draft process, but after lighting it up at the Combine, his Pro Day, and apparently handing interviews very well, Mayo is an absolute slam dunk here for the Giants. Though I doubt he's here when the Giants pick, he'd be almost a no-brainer. With elite athleticism, excellent character, and the ability to play inside or out Mayo could be regarded as a Top 20 pick by the end of April, maybe even March at this rate.


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32. Miami Dolphins - Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware
-Here's the guy you've all been waiting for. No, Flacco doesn't sneak his way into the first, but he is the first pick of the second to the Miami Dolphins, who apparently have been showing him some attention lately. Big, strong armed QB will be groomed as Miami's future.

33. St. Louis Rams - Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
-Yes, a bit of a shocker here. The Rams had all kinds of QB issues last year, when Bulger was healthy and when he was hurt. This was, in a big way, because of a lack of an OL, but also the QB play was just poor. Brohm is an absolute steal here. A Top 20 pick available at the top of the 2nd. The 31 year old Bulger would likely start the season, but it wouldn't shock me if Brohm took over earlier than expected.

34. San Francisco 49ers (f/ATL via Oak) - Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue
-A popular pick nowadays. It's possible for Avril to sneak into the first round like former teammate Anthony Spencer, so the Niners may feel lucky to get the skilled DE/OLB here.

35. Seattle Seahawks (f/KC) - Chilo Rachal - OG - USC
-Rachal is a big OG whose stock continues to climb. There are some that buy him as a 1st Rounder. A solid need pick for Seattle here who moves down and still gets their guy.

36. New York Jets - Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma
-The Jets continue to bolster their offense with a steal here to add to their WR core. Kelly is a big receiver that can stretch the field and would really help free Cotchery and Coles up. Has #1 potential.

37. Atlanta Falcons - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland
-The Falcons have already gone and paid Moore a visit at his Pro Day and are thought to have spoken with him for an extensive period of time. After selecting Ryan over Dorsey in the first, the Falcons must address their DT need here with the big, athletic Moore.

38. Baltimore Ravens - Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
-Trevor Pryce has aged fairly well, but probably doesn't have much left in the tank. Jackson gives the Ravens a young, balanced DE to sit behind Pryce his rookie year then potentially win a starting job his 2nd year.

39. San Francisco 49ers - Mario Manningham - WR - Michigan
-Another player that had to be in consideration at 29 and later at 34. Manningham is a speedy vertical threat who redeemed himself after a poor combine by running right around a 4.4 at his Pro Day in Ann Arbor. Will help stretch the field in San Fran.

40. New Orleans Saints - Dan Connor - OLB/ILB - Penn State
-The Saints steal a very solid LB prospect here in Connor. After picking up injury-prone Dan Morgan and Jonathan Vilma in the offseason, the team added some quality LB's but Connor has the ability to play anywhere and could start immediately.

41. Buffalo Bills - Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
-A steal for the Bills here. I was leaning toward Erin Henderson, who the Bills have expressed interest in, but I decided to stick with the need pick in Lee. Patrick Lee will excel in a Cover 2, that will allow him to be physical and use hill ball skills.

42. Denver Broncos - Curtis Lofton - ILB - Oklahoma
-Another steal here, as Lofton, one of the draft's most instinctive and solid LB's falls to the Broncos in the second. Lofton could start right away, allowing D.J. Williams to stick at WLB where he was more effective. A vast upgrade over FA signing Niko Koutouvides.

43. Carolina Panthers - Calais Campbell - DE - Miami
-The Panthers have been one of the four teams (Cincinnati, Jacksonville, and Washington) all over Campbell this offseason. If they could light a fire under his ass, the huge, talented Campbell could turn out to be this draft's greatest steal.

44. Chicago Bears - Chad Henne - QB - Michigan
-The Bears passed on Henne to get themselves some protection in Round 1. Here in the Second Round though, Henne is their guy. He has the ability to start right away in a familiar climate, but unfamiliarly, he likely will not have a strong supporting cast around him. This natural leader could turn out to be the best of this year's QB class.

45. New York Giants (f/DET) - DaJuan Morgan - S - NC State
-The Giants trade up to get their man in DaJuan Morgan who they feel is well worth this pick in the mid-2nd Round. Detroit, after picking up Stewart in the 1st, and Brian Kelly/Leigh Bodden in the offseason decides they don't have to fill a pressing need here so they move down to acquire more picks.

46. Philadelphia Eagles (f/CIN) - Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska
-Surprised to see Nicks all the way down here, the Eagles trade up a few picks to grab one of their OT's of the future. Nicks fits best at RT but some feel he may have the athleticism to play on the left side. Would be groomed to replace John Runyan or Tra Thomas.

47. Minnesota Vikings - Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
-Upset that Nicks was stolen from them, the Vikings still elect to OT with Cherilus who was graded as a Late 1st-Early 2nd Round Value. Cherilus will push Ryan Cook on the right side and may be able to fill in for McKinnie at LT if he is suspended.

48. Atlanta Falcons (f/HOU) - Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
-The Falcons target another Maryland guy on defense with the big, athletic Henderson. Henderson is equally as talented as any LB in this year's class and would give the Falcons a capable replacement for Demorrio Williams.

49. Cincinnati Bengals (f/PHI) - Matt Forte - RB - Tulane
-A little bit of a surprise here as the Bengals reach for Forte, a power back who you may be able to compare to Corey Dillon (without the attitude.) The Bengals have expressed interest in Forte and he may be the power back to replace Rudi Johnson.

50. Arizona Cardinals - Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers
-The Cardinals are in need of a change of pace in the running game and withot many glaring needs the Cards are open to take RB here. Their guy is the shifty, undersized Rice who has surprising toughness and good speed.

51. Washington Redskins - Jason Jones - DE - Eastern Michigan
-The Redskins are in need of a boost on their DL. While Jones may not bring elite, big-play potential, he is a very solid DE who could move inside to DT on passing downs.

52. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Felix Jones - RB - Arkansas
-The Bucs continue to draft in a flashy manner, taking sort of a luxury pick in the big play back Felix Jones over a more pressing need. With Cadillac's injury problems, RB has to be considered a possibility. And with a back like Jones here, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bucs pull the trigger.

53. Pittsburgh Steelers - Heath Benedict - OT/OG - Newberry
-The thinking here is that Benedict can play either LT or LG. Though he plays a bit high and is raw against top competition, Benedict has held up very well in the post season and brings more upside and athleticism than a guy like Sam Baker.

54. Tennessee Titans - Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida
-The Titans have to love the fact that Caldwell falls to them here in the late 2nd. The team has a need for speed at WR and Caldwell is a sub 4.4 guy who also brings size and possible KR value.

55. Seattle Seahawks - Dustin Keller - TE - Purdue
-Turns out all Seattle had to do to get their guy in the 2nd Round was stay still. This is shaping up to be a nice day for Seattle as they acquire the draft's most explosive, athletic TE in Keller.

56. Green Bay Packers (f/CLE) - Fred Davis - TE - USC
-This is not a need pick. Donald Lee was a solid option at TE a year ago. However, the Packers are extremely thin at TE and Davis provides excellent value here. Like Keller, Davis has the skill set of a WR and he will help Aaron Rodgers tremendously in the redzone.

57. Miami Dolphins (f/SD) - Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas
-A nice find here for Miami as they get a big OT. Collins may get the opportunity to start right away and is thought to be able to play LT or RT.

58. Jacksonville Jaguars - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn
-The Jags go with two Auburn boys in the first two rounds as they add the talented Sims. Sims may bring a bit of baggage but he fills a need and would help replace Marcus Stroud on the Jags front line.

59. Indianapolis Colts - Sam Baker - OG - USC
-The Colts get a little lucky here as Sam Baker falls to them. They will select him as an OG, where he may be a better fit, rather than keep the undersized LT there. A project that may turn out to be an excellent find.

60. Seattle Seahawks (f/GB) - Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame
-Seattle has already had a busy day and has cashed in, filling major needs with Rachal, Keller, and now Trevor Laws. Laws is a great value here and well worth the small trade up that it took to get him.

61. Minnesota Vikings (f/DAL) - Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A&M
-The Vikings trade up here to get the big, receiving TE capable of stretching the field. Bennett is similar to Eagles TE L.J. Smith who Brad Childress groomed in Philadelphia in many ways, but is even bigger and more athletic.

62. New England Patriots - Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
-Goff showed athleticism that I, personally, did not expect of him at the Combine. He is a big, young ILB prospect who will help to keep New Engalnd defense fresh.

63. Detroit Lions (f/NYG) - Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana
-A steal for the Lions here. The speedy Porter wouldn't be forced into action right away, but with the NFC North teams adding more offensive firepower, it'd be a good idea for the Lions to improve their depth at CB.

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64. Miami Dolphins - John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame
65. St. Louis Rams - Eddie Royal - WR/PR - Virginia Tech
66. Green Bay Packers (f/SEA via KC) -Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest
67. Carolina Panthers (f/NYJ) - Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M
68. Atlanta Falcons - Oniel Cousins - OG/OT - UTEP
69. New England Patriots - Chris Johnson - RB - East Carolina
70. Chicago Bears (f/SF) - Jamaal Charles - RB - Texas
71. Buffalo Bills (f/BAL) - Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee
72. Jacksonville Jaguars (f/BUF) - Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami
73. Dallas Cowboys (f/MIN via Den) - Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina
74. New England Patriots (f/CAR) - Donnie Avery - WR - Houston
75. San Francisco 49ers (f/CHI) - Ahtyba Rubin - DT/NT - Iowa State
76. Detroit Lions - Phillip Wheeler - OLB/ILB - Georgia Tech
77. Cincinnati Bengals - Justin King - CB - Penn State
78. New Orleans Saints - Early Doucet - WR - LSU
79. Houston Texans - Terrell Thomas - CB - USC
80. Philadelphia Eagles - Dexter Jackson - WR/PR - Appalachain State
81. Arizona Cardinals - John Greco - OT/OG - Toledo
82. Minnesota Vikings - Andre Woodson - QB - Kentucky
83. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Charles Godfrey - CB - Iowa
84. Chicago Bears (f/WSH) - Lavelle Hawkins - WR - California
85. Tennessee Titans - Chris Ellis - DE - Virginia Tech
86. Seattle Seahawks - Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt
87. Detroit Lions (f/CLE) - Kellen Davis - TE - Michigan State
88. Pittsburgh Steelers - Orlando Scandrick - CB - Boise State
89. Jacksonville Jaguars - Josh Johnson - QB - San Diego
90. Washington Redskins (f/CHI) - Antwaun Molden - CB - West. Kentucky
91. Green Bay Packers - Gary Guyton - LB - Georgia Tech
92. Buffalo Bills (f/DAL) - Xavier Adibi - LB - Virginia Tech
93. Indianapoilis Colts - Jermichael Finley - TE - Texas
94. New England Patriots - Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
95. Detroit Lions (f/NYG) - Frank Okam - DT - Texas
96*. Washington Redskins - David Roach - S - TCU
97*. Cincinnati Bengals - Stanford Keglar - LB - Purdue
98*. Baltimore Ravens - Duane Brown - OT - Virginia Tech

Bills2083
03-17-2008, 03:27 PM
1.) Devin Thomas - Thomas is okay, but I'd rather go with Kelly
2.) Patrick Lee - Great pick
3.) Brad Cottam - We need a receiving threat at TE, which Cottam is not. I'd rather go with Finley.
3.) Xavier Adibi - Adibi is okay, but I think I'd rather go with Owen Schmitt

the decider13
03-17-2008, 03:34 PM
Williams and Lofton

Not a bad 2 rounds for denver. I can see them making a trade to get a 3rd round pick so they can pick up Bennett. I just have a gut feeling he will be wearing a broncos jersey.

BeerBaron
03-17-2008, 03:45 PM
bears:

trade down for albert, its good with chris williams and mendenhall both gone.

HATE henne. ive said so many times that henne will be a terrible pro, should not go in the 2nd round (or even close to it) and he SHOULD NOT BE THE BEARS PICK. awful awful awful. the only things ive seen in mock drafts that upset me more than giving the bears henne in round 2 is one that had us trade up for matt ryan and one who had us surrender our whole draft for donovan o. mcnabb (the "o" is for overrated. id make it another letter between e and g if profanity was allowed)

charles good and hawkins acceptable

Crazy_Chris
03-17-2008, 03:46 PM
Perfect Vikings mock I doubt Cherilus makes it too us in the second but if he did it would be absolutly amazing.

PalmerToCJ
03-17-2008, 03:52 PM
In the 2nd I'd rather see us stay put and go with Erin Henderson.

I like the 3rd rounder and obviously the 1st.

T-RICH49
03-17-2008, 04:03 PM
very interesting trade for KC.25 is much more reasonable for Otah then 5the overall

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:10 PM
bears:

trade down for albert, its good with chris williams and mendenhall both gone.

HATE henne. ive said so many times that henne will be a terrible pro, should not go in the 2nd round (or even close to it) and he SHOULD NOT BE THE BEARS PICK. awful awful awful. the only things ive seen in mock drafts that upset me more than giving the bears henne in round 2 is one that had us trade up for matt ryan and one who had us surrender our whole draft for donovan o. mcnabb (the "o" is for overrated. id make it another letter between e and g if profanity was allowed)

charles good and hawkins acceptable

Personally, I disagree. I'm an Ohio State fan and I still don't hold a grudge against Henne. Henne is the best fit for the Bears system and though he is eerily similar to Grossman in terms of skill set, I like Henne's physical and mental makeup much better. At 6'2 7/8 228 Henne has nice size, a strong arm, and plays with toughness (both mentally and physically.) He has played well in most big games and isn't the type of passer that will hold a team back. Has a lot of heart and is a good leader on the field (unlike Rex.) He's played in Chicago-like conditions over in Ann Arbor and you shouldn't see much of a drop off there. I think Henne is a much safer pick than Joe Flacco and I wouldn't mind seeing him go in the first round. So, while you may hold your personal vendetta, I am not going to take that into much consideration.

fed36
03-17-2008, 04:14 PM
Skins wise I don't like

First Pick needs to be defense - and although Sweed would help the WR corps - I do not pass up Merling if he is available

Second Round - I would go with Roy Fluening

Third Round - I would take a chance on a receiver like Bowman

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:15 PM
In the 2nd I'd rather see us stay put and go with Erin Henderson.

I like the 3rd rounder and obviously the 1st.

Of course you would. But, let's agree on something now, that's not the Bengals. It's just simply not a Bengals trait. The Bengals tend to do something slightly unexpected with their 2nd Rounder. I would love to see the Bengals grab DT 1st, LB 2nd, but it's just unrealistic, like all four #1 seeds heading to the Final Four. Forte is a guy they love and would be the ideal replacement for Rudi Johnson, allowing them to kind of clean up their RB mess. They also have been looking hard at Mendenhall, but with Ellis there, I'm praying they don't bite.

Note: I am Bengals fan myself. I tried to make as realistic a Bengals mock as possible.

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:17 PM
Skins wise I don't like

First Pick needs to be defense - and although Sweed would help the WR corps - I do not pass up Merling if he is available

Second Round - I would go with Roy Fluening

Third Round - I would take a chance on a receiver like Bowman

Jason Jones in the 2nd makes up for passing up Merling for Sweed at 14th Overall.

Who is Fluening? Maybe you mean Roy Schuenning, OG from Oregon State.

After running in the 4.7's and dropping plenty of balls at the Senior Bowl, I'd be shocked if Bowman was drafted before the 5th Round, let alone the 3rd.

Personally I really like the Skins draft.

21ST
03-17-2008, 04:18 PM
That would be stupid for the redskins to trade up just to draft Sweed horrible pick, especially when they could have stayed put and got a guy like Branden Albert. If you are set with us trading up though give us Derrick Harvey in the 1st Heath Benedict in the 2nd and Xavier Adibi and Frank Okam in the 3rd

KCJ58
03-17-2008, 04:18 PM
Brian Brohm as our 2nd round pick please explain?

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:25 PM
1.) Devin Thomas - Thomas is okay, but I'd rather go with Kelly
2.) Patrick Lee - Great pick
3.) Brad Cottam - We need a receiving threat at TE, which Cottam is not. I'd rather go with Finley.
3.) Xavier Adibi - Adibi is okay, but I think I'd rather go with Owen Schmitt

I've heard several sources saying the Bills love Thomas and they, more than any team in NFL, seem to go after their guy. Kelly would make plenty of sense, but I'll have to see him workout before I put him that high.

I beg to differ about Cottam. Brad Cottam can absolutely be a receiving threat. He wasn't utilized as one at Tennessee because he was hurt fairly often and the team used H-B/TE Chris Brown more in the receiving game. Cottam, however, is a tremendous athlete. 6'7 1/2 270 with a 4.63 40, 36 1/2 inch Vertical, 4.27 Short Shuttle, 7.22 3-Cone, and has caught everything at the Senior Bowl, the Combine, and his Pro Day. He certainly looks like the type of player that will be much better as a pro than he was as a college player.

FB is a reach in the 3rd in my opinion, I went BPA there with Adibi who fits the system and provides depth and a special teams option.

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:32 PM
Brian Brohm as our 2nd round pick please explain?

Already did

"33. St. Louis Rams - Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
-Yes, a bit of a shocker here. The Rams had all kinds of QB issues last year, when Bulger was healthy and when he was hurt. This was, in a big way, because of a lack of an OL, but also the QB play was just poor. Brohm is an absolute steal here. A Top 20 pick available at the top of the 2nd. The 31 year old Bulger would likely start the season, but it wouldn't shock me if Brohm took over earlier than expected."

I didn't say it'd be a popular pick. Maybe you think the 31 year old Bulger or Trent Green is the future at the position. Personally, I don't. I see Jerod Mayo and Malcolm Kelly as two prime options there at 33. With Mayo gone, I simply went Brohm over Kelly, a better value pick. I'm aware it's one of those head-scratchers, but in the long-run I think it benefits the team more than Kelly. You disagree, that's fine.

BeerBaron
03-17-2008, 04:32 PM
Personally, I disagree. I'm an Ohio State fan and I still don't hold a grudge against Henne. Henne is the best fit for the Bears system and though he is eerily similar to Grossman in terms of skill set, I like Henne's physical and mental makeup much better. At 6'2 7/8 228 Henne has nice size, a strong arm, and plays with toughness (both mentally and physically.) He has played well in most big games and isn't the type of passer that will hold a team back. Has a lot of heart and is a good leader on the field (unlike Rex.) He's played in Chicago-like conditions over in Ann Arbor and you shouldn't see much of a drop off there. I think Henne is a much safer pick than Joe Flacco and I wouldn't mind seeing him go in the first round. So, while you may hold your personal vendetta, I am not going to take that into much consideration.

vendetta? if henne played the way i saw him play for my team i still wouldnt want him.

fits the system? the bears dont quite have a system. back in the day old ron turner ran something west coast like and now he seems to change his offense with every QB he puts out there.

and check this out, im going to go through the weaknesses scott lists for him:

Accuracy is inconsistent = rex and orton
Struggles under pressure and needs time to throw = rex grossman and a half
Will stare down his targets = hey, rex does that....
Height is just average = barely taller than the amazingly midget like rex
Not very mobile and isn't a threat to run = rex and orton
His footwork is shaky = rex and orton
Sloppy with his fundamentals = REX REX REX REX...watch him hold onto the football and youll see
Holds the ball too long = rex and orton
Is streaky and prone to mistakes = streaky? that would be one of the first adjectives used to describe rex

chad henne basically embodies everything bad about the QBs we already have minus the years of experience and some success (rex got to a SB and KO won the division as a rookie)

say what you will but i would NOT touch henne.

in all honesty, when i watched him play, i saw a guy who i thought was another ken dorsey type guy. decent college qb, helps his team win, no pro future. maybe he oculd hang around as a backup....

and to see people put henne up in the 2nd round? insane.....

then again with all this awfulness, he might just have bears QB written all over him....sigh

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 04:37 PM
That would be stupid for the redskins to trade up just to draft Sweed horrible pick, especially when they could have stayed put and got a guy like Branden Albert. If you are set with us trading up though give us Derrick Harvey in the 1st Heath Benedict in the 2nd and Xavier Adibi and Frank Okam in the 3rd

The Skins have expressed interest in big wideouts all offseason, but they haven't been able to pull the trigger on any (see D.J. Hackett, Javon Walker, Justin McCareins, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, whom they have pursued). It seems like helping out their young QB may be their top priority. Sure, they'd like to get younger on the line or add a pass-rusher, I think it'd be hard to resist the draft's best big receiver.

EtrnlDarkness
03-17-2008, 05:02 PM
24. Tennessee Titans - Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
-With the top receivers off the board, Balmer has to be the pick here. The Titans DL went through a dramatic overhaul this offseason in which they lost a starting DE and DT. Balmer fills a large need in the middle of that D and could help take the double teams away from Albert Haynesworth.

Not a bad first round pick, however, the bolded part of your explanation kinda needs some work. Losing defensive ends doesnt make dt a need. And Randy starks wasn't a starting DT. Not even close. He was actualy a rather average backup. It's a need because someone like starks was the third stringer last year, not because we lost him. DT was a need long before starks went to miami, and losing him, or losing odom and laboy, didn't make it any more or less of a need. You're dead on with the last part of the explanation though.

I like the 2nd and 3rd round picks, and overall, it's a good titans mock, and realistic to boot.

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 05:06 PM
Not a bad first round pick, however, the bolded part of your explanation kinda needs some work. Losing defensive ends doesnt make dt a need. And Randy starks wasn't a starting DT. Not even close. He was actualy a rather average backup. It's a need because someone like starks was the third stringer last year, not because we lost him. DT was a need long before starks went to miami, and losing him, or losing odom and laboy, didn't make it any more or less of a need. You're dead on with the last part of the explanation though.

I like the 2nd and 3rd round picks, and overall, it's a good titans mock, and realistic to boot.

Thank you. I was under the impression that Starks was, in fact, starting last year. Kind of a lapse on my part.

Thunder&Lightning
03-17-2008, 05:34 PM
nice charger pick.

SmarterThanU
03-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Pretty fresh look at the draft for the Steelers. Was nice to see something a little out of the norm but still picking needs for the team. I'd look at DL in the 4th maybe a Kendall Langford from Hampton.

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 06:11 PM
Pretty fresh look at the draft for the Steelers. Was nice to see something a little out of the norm but still picking needs for the team. I'd look at DL in the 4th maybe a Kendall Langford from Hampton.

I could see Langford in a Pittsburgh. A little while ago, I would've said Langford is a 3rd Rounder. But lately, I've had the gut instinct that he'll fall somewhere from the Mid 4th to the Early 5th. If he put on another 10 pounds or so, you could very well have your 3-4 DE.

eaglesalltheway
03-17-2008, 07:22 PM
I like all the trades you have in there. I expect the Eagles to be involved in trades a lot this year. Very, very bad first round pick for the Eagles. We already have a balanced DE who is in the starting role and that is Victor Abiamiri, and along with Clemons being signed, DE will most likely not be addressed until the fifth round or later, if at all. Kenny Phillips or Malcolm Kelly woudl be better picks here. I really like your second round pick for the Eagles, and your third rounder is OK, but Hawkins or Bennett would be better options at WR for the Eagles.

Matthew Jones
03-17-2008, 08:36 PM
Awesome Patriots draft!

DiG
03-17-2008, 09:57 PM
holy crap no way the skins trade up for sweed. thats pretty crazy. the FO has been pretty clear thats not something they are considering. especially not for a wr.

Menardo75
03-17-2008, 10:05 PM
Not a bad 9ers mock would like to see an o-linemen in their though

BaLLiN
03-17-2008, 10:18 PM
Horrible giants trade, don't really like mayo, at all. Morgan isnt worth us trading our 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th for.

ThePudge
03-17-2008, 11:58 PM
Horrible giants trade, don't really like mayo, at all. Morgan isnt worth us trading our 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th for.

And what reason do you have for not liking Mayo? He's the fastest rising LB out there and will be considered a steal if he does, in fact, land there in April. He's more athletic than any of the top prospects, has ideal size, excellent character, and was a real playmaker for Tennessee in a very good conference. As for the trade for Morgan. The Giants don't exactly have many needs, so it wouldn't shock me to see them do what the Jets did a year ago and trade up to get their guys. They get lucky as Mayo falls to them at 31, but they trade up for Morgan who is a much better prospect than Thomas DeCoud or David Roach your next best Safety prospects. The one thing I do feel bad about, however, is the Giants not drafting a WR or DT. The team could, however, target a solid WR in the 4th in Jordy Nelson or Keenan Burton though.

gdamac
03-18-2008, 12:03 AM
great Raider pick, not sure if Al will do it, but I like it. I would also like Clady. Al spent 2 3rd rounders on Mario Henderson and Harris has his contract, hard to see Al taking OT in the first. But he should, if he wants to be as sure as he can of young JaMarcus's survival.

DiG
03-18-2008, 01:05 AM
The Skins have expressed interest in big wideouts all offseason, but they haven't been able to pull the trigger on any (see D.J. Hackett, Javon Walker, Justin McCareins, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, whom they have pursued). It seems like helping out their young QB may be their top priority. Sure, they'd like to get younger on the line or add a pass-rusher, I think it'd be hard to resist the draft's best big receiver.

if hes there then yes they may not "resist" but its not enough that they will move up. snyder and cerrato have been clear that they are not looking to move multiple picks to move up in this years draft being that they finally have picks. theyve even talked about how they feel that the wrs in rd 2/3 are just as good as the rd 1 receivers this year though i do agree that if sweed were there at 21 they may take him anyway. if they pull the trigger on a trade itll be for a big name wr already in the nfl it wont be to move up for an unproven. not with the number of needs we have i cant see us sparing picks being that we havent brought in any fas. at this point we need a cb, olineman, dlineman, and wr as first priority and also maybe depth at s, and olber.

Seasonticketholder
03-18-2008, 07:47 AM
The Saints will not take a CB in round 1. If Ellis or Dorsey are both gone, they will take either Keith Rivers or an offensive player. They believe in taking the BPA. That has been there philosophy and it won't change for this draft. The only other scenario is if a guy like Gholston was to fall to them, in which case he would be the BPA.

With all the trades you predict, it's amazing you do not predict the Saints moving up with Baltimore to take Ellis. They covet a DT. Assuming there is no trade here, given your scenario, they take Keith Rivers. Thus, the selection of Dan Connor in the second is not likely, which is a good thing because I do not like Connor. He's not fluid, plays stiff and is not strong at the point of attack. In the second, they are likely to take either a CB, DT or possibly an OL. Either Laws or Cherilus or Baker or Lee or Porter could get the call. Now they could shock and take either Matt Forte (to replace Deuce) or trade down and take a TE.

Mr. Myogi
03-18-2008, 09:10 AM
Atlanta trades CB DeAngelo Hall to Oakland for 2nd Round Pick (34th Overall). (Trade already agreed to in principle)

And a 6th.

Atlanta trades 2nd Round Pick (34th Overall) and 4th Round Pick (102nd Overall) to San Franciso for 1st Round Pick (29th Overall) and 6th Round Pick (178th Overall)

Why after doing so much to get the cap number down and gaining draft picks would TD give up a 4th rd to move up 6 slots, which would require a higher dollar amount simply because it is a 1st round draft pick.

3. Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
-Complain all you want Falcons fans, but realize this is your best option. Atlanta had endless problems at the QB position, Redman and Harrington provide insurance for the top signal caller in this draft. Ryan is solid all around, but his key attributes are his intangibles (or football smarts) and his toughness (both mentally and physically.) It was hard to pass up Long and Dorsey here, but I think Ryan gives this team the positive new face that it's looking for.

Now on this Matt Ryan thing, You said it all- "Atlanta had endless problems at the QB position",then you turned around and said "Harrington provide insurance for the top signal caller in this draft". Harrington is a camp body, he will not make the roster in 2008. MARK MY WORD!
First of all, we had problems because Harrington sucks and the OLine played terrible. Drafting Matt Ryan this early will guarantee us only one thing with no OL to protect him, He will not be here for long!
Jake Long

29. Atlanta Falcons (f/SF via IND) - Reggie Smith - CB/S - Oklahoma
-With Green Bay and New York looming, the Falcons trade up to get their man in Reggie Smith. Smith can play either CB or S for this ailing secondary. He is a playmaker with good size, speed, and experience. San Francisco doesn't mind trading back after their top prospects were taken toward the early-mid 20's and the Falcons have picks to burn.
He will be there in the 2nd Rd, Too Early and we will not trade up to get him. Sorry! We go with BPA @ OT, ILB, CB/S (dependant upon their plans for J. Williams)

37. Atlanta Falcons - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland
-The Falcons have already gone and paid Moore a visit at his Pro Day and are thought to have spoken with him for an extensive period of time. After selecting Ryan over Dorsey in the first, the Falcons must address their DT need here with the big, athletic Moore.
Good Player, Nice Pick.

48. Atlanta Falcons (f/HOU) - Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
-The Falcons target another Maryland guy on defense with the big, athletic Henderson. Henderson is equally as talented as any LB in this year's class and would give the Falcons a capable replacement for Demorrio Williams.
We have this guy named Stephen Nicholas who made Demorrio expendable, I think we will hunt for ILB this early and OLB for depth a little later... 2nd DAY!

68. Atlanta Falcons - Oniel Cousins - OG/OT - UTEP
With the OL problems we have, I doubt if we wait this long before drafting an OLineman. We may draft OL back to back -1st and 2nd rd, based on the horrible play from 2007. Maybe we go QB right here.

All in all you had only 1 pick that I support, maybe we need to do a little more research before we post MOCKS and check out team needs.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 10:36 AM
And a 6th.



Why after doing so much to get the cap number down and gaining draft picks would TD give up a 4th rd to move up 6 slots, which would require a higher dollar amount simply because it is a 1st round draft pick.



Now on this Matt Ryan thing, You said it all- "Atlanta had endless problems at the QB position",then you turned around and said "Harrington provide insurance for the top signal caller in this draft". Harrington is a camp body, he will not make the roster in 2008. MARK MY WORD!
First of all, we had problems because Harrington sucks and the OLine played terrible. Drafting Matt Ryan this early will guarantee us only one thing with no OL to protect him, He will not be here for long!
Jake Long


He will be there in the 2nd Rd, Too Early and we will not trade up to get him. Sorry! We go with BPA @ OT, ILB, CB/S (dependant upon their plans for J. Williams)


Good Player, Nice Pick.


We have this guy named Stephen Nicholas who made Demorrio expendable, I think we will hunt for ILB this early and OLB for depth a little later... 2nd DAY!


With the OL problems we have, I doubt if we wait this long before drafting an OLineman. We may draft OL back to back -1st and 2nd rd, based on the horrible play from 2007. Maybe we go QB right here.

All in all you had only 1 pick that I support, maybe we need to do a little more research before we post MOCKS and check out team needs.

Maybe someone, somewhere lied to you and told you Andre Woodson was the elite QB prospect of this draft. Perhaps someone told you Joe Flacco could start from Day One? Maybe you think Chris Redman is a capable starter.

Not sure what exactly turns Falcons fans off from Matt Ryan, but he is the top player for that pick. ESPECIALLY since there is uncertainty concerning Long, who may or may not be quick enough to play LT in the NFL. Ryan is by far the safest QB pick and while he's not as physically talented as JaMarcus Russell 2007's 1st Pick Overall, he's more ready to play right now coming from an NFL style system and having excellent intangibles.

As for the second pick. If you had read the description, it more or less says Smith will be gone by the Packers or Giants pick. So, after stockpiling picks, the Falcons are in a perfect place to move up and get their guy.

As for Henderson, I must admit I did forget about Nicholas. However, he is versatile enough that he may be able to play inside as a MLB. It'd be tough passing up a player like this at 48.

Not sure what problem you have with the versatile Cousins, you're only problem with that pick is that I didn't have the Falcons drafting one earlier.

But hey, I'm not sure you even watch the draft. If you think every selection is the one you want it to be, then I don't know what to tell you. The draft, every year, has some head scratchers. I'm a Bengals fan, I'll use an example...2006 Bengals take Andrew Whitworth & Frostee Rucker in the 3rd and 4th Rounds. OT wasn't even a need and they reached about 2 rounds for Rucker there. DT was a need and it wasn't addressed until the late 4th Round. And I'm sure you were salivating, yelling at the TV that you wanted Laurent Robinson in the 3rd a year ago. The fact is, the draft may not always go like we want it to. I tried to throw something a bit more realistic out there. Obviously, it's not all going to be right, but the fact is I did as a whole ignore some needs to go BPA and ignore the BPA to reach to fill needs. Maybe we should watch the draft?

Mr. Myogi
03-18-2008, 11:07 AM
Maybe someone, somewhere lied to you and told you Andre Woodson was the elite QB prospect of this draft. Perhaps someone told you Joe Flacco could start from Day One? Maybe you think Chris Redman is a capable starter.

Not sure what exactly turns Falcons fans off from Matt Ryan, but he is the top player for that pick. ESPECIALLY since there is uncertainty concerning Long, who may or may not be quick enough to play LT in the NFL. Ryan is by far the safest QB pick and while he's not as physically talented as JaMarcus Russell 2007's 1st Pick Overall, he's more ready to play right now coming from an NFL style system and having excellent intangibles.

As for the second pick. If you had read the description, it more or less says Smith will be gone by the Packers or Giants pick. So, after stockpiling picks, the Falcons are in a perfect place to move up and get their guy.

As for Henderson, I must admit I did forget about Nicholas. However, he is versatile enough that he may be able to play inside as a MLB. It'd be tough passing up a player like this at 48.

Not sure what problem you have with the versatile Cousins, you're only problem with that pick is that I didn't have the Falcons drafting one earlier.

But hey, I'm not sure you even watch the draft. If you think every selection is the one you want it to be, then I don't know what to tell you. The draft, every year, has some head scratchers. I'm a Bengals fan, I'll use an example...2006 Bengals take Andrew Whitworth & Frostee Rucker in the 3rd and 4th Rounds. OT wasn't even a need and they reached about 2 rounds for Rucker there. DT was a need and it wasn't addressed until the late 4th Round. And I'm sure you were salivating, yelling at the TV that you wanted Laurent Robinson in the 3rd a year ago. The fact is, the draft may not always go like we want it to. I tried to throw something a bit more realistic out there. Obviously, it's not all going to be right, but the fact is I did as a whole ignore some needs to go BPA and ignore the BPA to reach to fill needs. Maybe we should watch the draft?


That's all fine and well. Happy you feel like the easiest pick for the FALCONS is Matt RYAN. Sorry I know my team a little bit better than you know your team. And I know OLine has been a problem for a long time now and the Falcons have failed to address that need until last year with an elite Guard in Blalock.

Now with a Run First approach from the new coaching staff, YES Redman is capable of running the offense which he would have to do anyway simply because Ryan will not be a DAY 1 starter.

We just spent good money on a running back who's going to have to earn it. I just doubt if they will turn around and Draft a QB at 3 if Long/Ellis/Dorsey is still there. And believe it or not he may end up falling to the late 1st round or even the Second (see Brady Quinn -predicted top 5 in 2007) then he would have great value there. So if you look at my Fantasy Draft then you would know where our needs lie.
Preciate you for trying to make my team BETTER.
Championships are won in the TRENCHES and Smith knows that!

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 11:25 AM
That's all fine and well. Happy you feel like the easiest pick for the FALCONS is Matt RYAN. Sorry I know my team a little bit better than you know your team. And I know OLine has been a problem for a long time now and the Falcons have failed to address that need until last year with an elite Guard in Blalock.

Now with a Run First approach from the new coaching staff, YES Redman is capable of running the offense which he would have to do anyway simply because Ryan will not be a DAY 1 starter.

We just spent good money on a running back who's going to have to earn it. I just doubt if they will turn around and Draft a QB at 3 if Long/Ellis/Dorsey is still there. And believe it or not he may end up falling to the late 1st round or even the Second (see Brady Quinn -predicted top 5 in 2007) then he would have great value there. So if you look at my Fantasy Draft then you would know where our needs lie.
Preciate you for trying to make my team BETTER.
Championships are won in the TRENCHES and Smith knows that!

What's this have to do with you knowing your team better than I know my team? My team is not the Falcons. My team is the Bengals, and this has nothing to do with them. Redman, though, has never been capable of running an offense, which is why he's bounced around so many placed and only started 10 games in 5 years. Also, don't count on Matt Ryan falling past #8. The Dolphins, Falcons, Chiefs, and Ravens have all talked to him. The Falcons, particularly, do have the most need for him. He's the #1 QB in the draft, not the #2 that Quinn or Aaron Rodgers were.

Truth be told, no offense, I looked at your fantasy draft and laughed. Jake Long in the first, fine pick. Kenny Phillips falling to 34 is unlikely. He is this year's top safety and it's hard to see him slipping through teams like San Diego and New York if he lasts even that far. Gosder Cherilus is a fine pick at RT and could be there at 37, good pick there. While it's a bit unlikely that Red Bryant goes as early as the Mid 2nd (he's disappointed scouts as of lately), if you want him, fine, fair enough. It's doubtful Phillip Wheeler makes his way down to the 3rd Round, but it's possible, so ok. According to AdamJT13, you will not be receiving a 3rd Round Comp., but a 7th Round comp will be heading your way, but it is listed as possible so ok. If you think Josh Johnson will help you this year, or two years into the future, you're mistaken. Patrick Lee is a borderline 1st/2nd Round pick right now, not a 4th Rounder. He's done nothing but help his stock this offseason. Coutou in the 5th would suck in my opinion, nothing against him, but I don't think there're any PK's that should be drafted until the 7th in this year's draft. Eddie Royal in the 6th made me laugh. Many feel he's a 2nd Round pick, I wouldn't be shocked to see him last until say, the early 4th, but 6th is just ridiculous. Haynos in the 6th is fine, big blocking TE that could provide a receiving threat in the redzone. As for Felton, I'm not a fan, but I doubt he'll last until the 7th, I would think 5th-6th Round is more likely. But hey, if that's how you want your draft to go, that's perfectly fine, I just think you'll be pretty upset when half those guys are gone a round before you project them.

SimonRath
03-18-2008, 12:19 PM
i like Mr Myogi's mock draft for the Falcons way better then this one...

skinzzfan25
03-18-2008, 12:28 PM
Terrible Redskins trade.

Mr. Myogi
03-18-2008, 01:01 PM
What's this have to do with you knowing your team better than I know my team? My team is not the Falcons. My team is the Bengals, and this has nothing to do with them. Redman, though, has never been capable of running an offense, which is why he's bounced around so many placed and only started 10 games in 5 years. Also, don't count on Matt Ryan falling past #8. The Dolphins, Falcons, Chiefs, and Ravens have all talked to him. The Falcons, particularly, do have the most need for him. He's the #1 QB in the draft, not the #2 that Quinn or Aaron Rodgers were.

Truth be told, no offense, I looked at your fantasy draft and laughed. Jake Long in the first, fine pick. Kenny Phillips falling to 34 is unlikely. He is this year's top safety and it's hard to see him slipping through teams like San Diego and New York if he lasts even that far. Gosder Cherilus is a fine pick at RT and could be there at 37, good pick there. While it's a bit unlikely that Red Bryant goes as early as the Mid 2nd (he's disappointed scouts as of lately), if you want him, fine, fair enough. It's doubtful Phillip Wheeler makes his way down to the 3rd Round, but it's possible, so ok. According to AdamJT13, you will not be receiving a 3rd Round Comp., but a 7th Round comp will be heading your way, but it is listed as possible so ok. If you think Josh Johnson will help you this year, or two years into the future, you're mistaken. Patrick Lee is a borderline 1st/2nd Round pick right now, not a 4th Rounder. He's done nothing but help his stock this offseason. Coutou in the 5th would suck in my opinion, nothing against him, but I don't think there're any PK's that should be drafted until the 7th in this year's draft. Eddie Royal in the 6th made me laugh. Many feel he's a 2nd Round pick, I wouldn't be shocked to see him last until say, the early 4th, but 6th is just ridiculous. Haynos in the 6th is fine, big blocking TE that could provide a receiving threat in the redzone. As for Felton, I'm not a fan, but I doubt he'll last until the 7th, I would think 5th-6th Round is more likely. But hey, if that's how you want your draft to go, that's perfectly fine, I just think you'll be pretty upset when half those guys are gone a round before you project them.


OK. You got it, but that is why it is called a FANTASY DRAFT. Coutu would be a greater need to the Falcons in 2008 than Matt Ryan. So yes it's a reach but it's worth it for the team, NOW! And a lot of scouts have LEE slipping to the 3rd, AND ROYAL is a 2nd? as an Athlete? He's listed as a WR/KR/PR, too small to be anything but slot guy or maybe a back side 9 guy. No one will pick him as their number 1 guy. 1st and 2nd rds are where your potential #1 wr's come from. COPY THAT?

Mr. Myogi
03-18-2008, 01:03 PM
i like Mr Myogi's mock draft for the Falcons way better then this one...

Thanks Rath... So you understand my pain? MATT RYAN, he's good but not good enough for #3. I don't think we need a QB as bad as we need O-Linemen. What you think?

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 01:36 PM
OK. You got it, but that is why it is called a FANTASY DRAFT. Coutu would be a greater need to the Falcons in 2008 than Matt Ryan. So yes it's a reach but it's worth it for the team, NOW! And a lot of scouts have LEE slipping to the 3rd, AND ROYAL is a 2nd? as an Athlete? He's listed as a WR/KR/PR, too small to be anything but slot guy or maybe a back side 9 guy. No one will pick him as their number 1 guy. 1st and 2nd rds are where your potential #1 wr's come from. COPY THAT?

Now you seem to be having a problem listening, or reading rather. Never did I say Royal is a 1st Round value or anything close to that. I said, right now, he seems to be between a 2nd/3rd Round grade, and it's possible for him to slip to maybe the early 4th. The 6th Round is just as, if not more, ridiculous than the 1st for Royal. Royal tore it up at the Senior Bowl, and impressed at the Combine. Though he is small, Royal projects as a #2 or #3 WR with added value in the return game. Aside from DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal is the small receiver most ready to contribute in the passing game and return game (ahead of players such as Dexter Jackson and Donnie Avery). The highest I could see Royal is 33rd to St.Louis, but I also could see him slipping perhaps as low as Cincinnati in the 4th. You say a lot of scouts have Lee slipping into the third, fair enough, could happen. But how many scouts are saying the 4th like you are? At 6'0 200 lbs with 4.42 speed, Lee has the ideal physical skills and style of play. He is able to play man or zone and projects as one of the corners in this draft with the most upside.

Also, if you think Coutu would help Atlanta more than Matt Ryan you must be absolutely delusional. It's fine that you see OL as the biggest need, you may be right there as their line has been awful. One of the real reasonings for that Ryan pick was the face. Atlanta is a Franchise that could really use a fresh look and a positive face. Since the whole Vick incident the Falcons have been looked at as a mess and rightfully so, they have been a mess. Michael Turner helps, but he wasn't even a starter in San Diego, so don't expect him to pack the stadium. A potential franchise passer such as Matt Ryan would go a long way to putting fans in the stands, and would help tons with merchandise sales and advertising. I don't think Jake Long really brings that. He's a solid player, don't get me wrong, and may play for 12-15 years, but he wouldn't be the face the franchise desperately needs. Glenn Dorsey may help in that aspect too, but I think Matt Ryan is still the way to go if you're a franchise in search of an identity.

It may be far off in the future, but I really don't think Chris Redman gives this team a chance to make a playoff push. Realistically, there is no way the Falcons fill all of their needs in this draft. They are looking at, most likely, another losing season next year and possibly another Top 10 pick. I think Matt Ryan gives this team the most value now, as a franchise face, and in the future, as a potential franchise passer.

I agree though, OT in particular is a hole both on the left and right sides. Though part of me thinks it's a hole that will be adressed perhaps in rounds 2 and maybe 4. Maybe with players like Gosder Cherilus and Duane Brown, or Carl Nicks and Kirk Barton. This team has a lot of needs and I just doubt they will ignore the opportunity to get a franchise player and face, which they couldn't do later. Remember, it is easier to find a great OL later than it is to find a QB. It's tough to find a franchise LT out of the Top 5-10 most times, but I'm not sold that Long isn't a better fit on the right side anyway. I think your top fit there would be Ryan Clady or Chris Williams, both true LT's. However, unless Atlanta trades down, which I doubt they will, I don't think they'll target OL that early.

I understand the concept of the Fantasy Draft, it's just that a Fantasy. The only point I was trying to make is: don't refer me to your "Fantasy" when talking about who you will draft. When have you evere been completely happy and correct about the Falcons picks? Never is the answer, and it's nothing to be embarrased about, we all wish we could have our "Fantasy", but we'll never get it. I apologize if I said anything offensive, but you have to understand where I am coming from on the Matt Ryan thing particularly. Don't be stubborn, open your mind up, be realistic.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 01:37 PM
i like Mr Myogi's mock draft for the Falcons way better then this one...

Of course you do. It's a Falcons "Fantasy" Draft by a Falcons fan haha.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 01:47 PM
Terrible Redskins trade.

Yea, the Skins trade was something I was playing around with. It wasn't because I needed a trade in my mock, but rather I did have some reasoning.

A.) The Skins have gone after just about every big WR that Free Agency has had to offer. They have, of course, missed out on all of them.

B.) Snyder has not hesitated in the past to give up draft picks to get what he wants and it seems that, through their offseason, they're in the market for a big WR.

C.) Sweed is a big WR on the rise. The draft's top receiver as far as many people are concerned who would be a picture perfect fit.

D.) A deep draft for Defensive Linemen, Offensive Linemen, and Defensive Backs.

E.) A young QB that hasn't found his rhythm quite yet could use a true #1 WR to push him over the hump and therefore push the whole team over the hump and give them a chance at the division with Dallas, New York, and Philadelphia still all looking strong.

It's fine that you don't like the trade, and I can see why, but I didn't just throw it out there to be a douche bag, I had my reasons and I thought about it. I STRONGLY considered Phillip Merling there at 14, but I took a look at their FA activity and made my assumptions that WR is their priority. I do think that they will go WR in the 1st, and I do see Sweed as the top option seeing as Thomas was a one-year wonder and Kelly has yet to workout and prove himself worthy of a 1st Round Pick.

I could very well be wrong, I probably am, the draft is unpredictable, but I did want to tell you all that I did have my reasons there.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 01:50 PM
Awesome Patriots draft!

I have to admit it was tough to give the Patriots such a draft. However, I do think it is quite realistic as a whole and that angers me even more. I, like the rest of the world outside of the Boston area, hate the Pats of course haha

thebow305
03-18-2008, 02:28 PM
That's a very nice Phins draft, I would be pretty happy with that outcome!

Mr. Myogi
03-18-2008, 03:41 PM
Terrible Redskins trade.
I guess your FALCONS draft wasn't personal because you did it to the SKINS as well.

Patrick Lee is a borderline 1st/2nd Round pick right now, not a 4th Rounder.
Says who? State your source please.

Also, if you think Coutu would help Atlanta more than Matt Ryan you must be absolutely delusional.
I must be delusional. I know this because we can't score touchdowns. So he will get broke in quick.

One of the real reasonings for that Ryan pick was the face. Atlanta is a Franchise that could really use a fresh look and a positive face. Since the whole Vick incident the Falcons have been looked at as a mess and rightfully so, they have been a mess.
So who's the Bengal's FACE? CJ? Hush? Rudi? Henry? Who? Doesn't matter when you're losing games does it? Which makes your statement that much more rediculous. When the Falcons started losing, even with M.Vick they were calling for his head, so don't give me this FACE mess. We need wins..... If we were going for image guys, BLANK wouldn't have hired TD or Smith. Not High Image types of guys. And what type of Face is RYAN, of all people, suppose to bring the city of ATLANTA?

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 04:41 PM
I guess your FALCONS draft wasn't personal because you did it to the SKINS as well.


Says who? State your source please.


I must be delusional. I know this because we can't score touchdowns. So he will get broke in quick.


So who's the Bengal's FACE? CJ? Hush? Rudi? Henry? Who? Doesn't matter when you're losing games does it? Which makes your statement that much more rediculous. When the Falcons started losing, even with M.Vick they were calling for his head, so don't give me this FACE mess. We need wins..... If we were going for image guys, BLANK wouldn't have hired TD or Smith. Not High Image types of guys. And what type of Face is RYAN, of all people, suppose to bring the city of ATLANTA?

I tried to stop the argument, but if you really want me to make you look like an idiot that's fine by me.

First, you can't spell the word "ridiculous", which makes your "argument" more pathetic. Second, I don't think you understand the business involved in football. Matt Ryan would give the team a fresh, new look at QB. A potential franchise passer. His intangibles are excellent, he is very smart, and very tough. He has similar physical skills to say Matt Hasselbeck, but is a bit bigger and with a stronger arm. He has similar leadership abilities. It'll be tough for the Falcons to pass up Ryan IF he's there. It would generate far more buzz in the city of Atlanta if Ryan, a QB, was chosen over Long or Dorsey. Michael Vick was the face of their team, in some ways he still is. The team needs to replace him, start fresh.

I'm not saying that the pick is etched in stone, but it does make sense from a football standpoint and a business standpoint. You build a line around a QB, not vice versa. The Quarterback is the most important position on just about any given team in this pass-happy league.

The Bengals are still searching for a face, for an identity, at least on the defensive side of the ball. That offense goes as Carson Palmer does, take him away and we're left with the 2007 Atlanta Falcons hah. He is the team's leader, one of the few leaders the Bengals have. Chad Johnson, however, is the team's face. The team is seen as disgruntled because Chad is disgruntled, he portrays the Bengals. The solution there, to me, is simply make him happy. Win games by adding help on defense, maybe a leader, and depth at RB, WR, TE, and on the OL.

The Falcons are rebuilding their roster, and their identity. Out with the attitude problems of DeAngelo Hall, the injury problems of Alge Crumpler, in with Michael Turner, a back they hope can carry them for the next six+ years. They need to build a line, I agree with you. There is no argument there, that's a top priority. HOWEVER, this draft is a deep one as far as OT's are concerned and while you'll be experiencing a slight drop off, some one, some quality player will be there at 34, 37, or even 48. It could be Gosder Cherilus, maybe Carl Nicks, perhaps Jeff Otah or Branden Albert slips, Sam Baker will be there. This leads me to believe that a QB, not OT, will be their first pick in April. Matt Ryan has Franchise-QB potential, he's a solid prospect in all facets of the game and is a smart, high-character player that your GM loves.

I am not the only one who feels this way.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2008/wwhi2301.htm

Now, onto Patrick Lee. I'll use the easiest source I can think of: this site.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/top.html

Lee is ranked 35th Overall, making him a Late First/Early Second Round prospect, right in that 30-40 range. He could, of course, slip further but I doubt we'll be seeing a prospect on the rise free fall to the 4th Round.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraftround2.html

Lee at 38th Overall.

Also, with the Skins draft they are complaining about one trade,the rest should look fine. I was messing around with trades, mixing and matching, having fun with it and I included Washington in one. They didn't like it, that's fine, no big deal.

Packman1957
03-18-2008, 05:06 PM
Regarding the Matt Ryan to the Falcons issue, I am with Pudge. The Falcons would be fools to pass on him especially considering they have absolutely no one at QB. Conventional wisdom says if there is a franchise QB available you should take him considering you don't have one already. Sure the Falcons need help along the OL, but that can be addressed in the 2nd round because there is plenty of depth in this years class.

Now the packers picks.

1 Brandon Flowers - I'm sorry no...guy has character problems, just is not a Ted Thompson pick. Top that off IMO its somewhat of a reach. I'd rather have Mayo, Keller, or even Connor in this situation. I really don't see a CB I like with this pick.

2a Fred Davis - Alright pick I guess

2b Trade Down - Could realistically see this

3a Jeremy Thompson - Alright pick since we could use someone for depth and to give Kampmann a breather

3b Gary Guyton - OK pick considering we didn't address LB yet.

Overall not bad...good effort.

SimonRath
03-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Thanks Rath... So you understand my pain? MATT RYAN, he's good but not good enough for #3. I don't think we need a QB as bad as we need O-Linemen. What you think?


YES! i agree 100%. Matt Ryan is a good QB and might be good in the NFL but in my opinion he is NOT worth top 3 money. especially when we could get a really good if not great OT or DT..

FinChase
03-18-2008, 08:15 PM
11. Dallas Cowboys (f/BUF) - Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
28. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
73. Dallas Cowboys (f/MIN via Den) - Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina

Interesting Cowboys draft. The trade up for Mendenhall is at least original. I wouldn't hate it if it happened, but I'd be surprised if it did. I love the Cason pick. Simpson, I don't know. I see you still had Early Doucet on the board at that time, so I'd rather have him. He'd be a steal in the 3rd round.

619
03-18-2008, 08:20 PM
hmmm not the flashy Raider pick like you said but I love it!

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 08:27 PM
11. Dallas Cowboys (f/BUF) - Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
28. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
73. Dallas Cowboys (f/MIN via Den) - Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina

Interesting Cowboys draft. The trade up for Mendenhall is at least original. I wouldn't hate it if it happened, but I'd be surprised if it did. I love the Cason pick. Simpson, I don't know. I see you still had Early Doucet on the board at that time, so I'd rather have him. He'd be a steal in the 3rd round.

I'm not a Doucet fan, I could see him in a Cowboys uni, but something about Jerome Simpson I think would catch Jerry Jones' eye. Here's a WR that almost 6'2 199 with sub 4.5 speed, can really jump, and huge hands. Simpson has as much upside as any receiver not named Devin Thomas in this year's draft.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 08:33 PM
YES! i agree 100%. Matt Ryan is a good QB and might be good in the NFL but in my opinion he is NOT worth top 3 money. especially when we could get a really good if not great OT or DT..

I can see where you guys are coming from, so don't think I'm only seeing one side of this. But, I'm not sure a DT has EVER been worth Top 3 money, especially an injury-prone one like Dorsey. Also, Scott has said it several times and I have to agree....Jake Long is not Joe Thomas, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Robert Gallery as a prospect. He's somewhere in between Levi Brown and Joe Thomas as a prospect. Arguably a Top 5 value. I think his real value lies between 5-7, not so much the 1-3 range. He's probably not a Franchise LT prospect some are making him out to be. I do believe, firmly, that while the draft values of Ryan and Long are similar that Matt Ryan brings more to the team as a potential franchise passer.

SimonRath
03-18-2008, 09:48 PM
I can see where you guys are coming from, so don't think I'm only seeing one side of this. But, I'm not sure a DT has EVER been worth Top 3 money, especially an injury-prone one like Dorsey. Also, Scott has said it several times and I have to agree....Jake Long is not Joe Thomas, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Robert Gallery as a prospect. He's somewhere in between Levi Brown and Joe Thomas as a prospect. Arguably a Top 5 value. I think his real value lies between 5-7, not so much the 1-3 range. He's probably not a Franchise LT prospect some are making him out to be. I do believe, firmly, that while the draft values of Ryan and Long are similar that Matt Ryan brings more to the team as a potential franchise passer.

yeah i see what you mean.. i'd much rather trade down but the chance of that aren't real high so if we stay at #3 then Jake Long is my pick. I also like Chris Long if he falls and as for DT i like Sedrick Ellis better but hes not worth a top 5 pick

ChosenOne
03-18-2008, 10:17 PM
Pretty good Steelers pick. I wouldn't mind taking Hardy, or even Flowers.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 10:56 PM
yeah i see what you mean.. i'd much rather trade down but the chance of that aren't real high so if we stay at #3 then Jake Long is my pick. I also like Chris Long if he falls and as for DT i like Sedrick Ellis better but hes not worth a top 5 pick

While Long makes sense and from a team standpoint may fill the biggest hole, I just see the Falcons passing on OT if Ryan's there for them at 3, which he very well may not be.

The more I think about it, the more it fits into place for me, the more I buy Matt Ryan as a Top 3 pick in this year's draft.

I did a bit of research, found out some interesting #'s for you. It was pretty eye opening to me as well, I have to admit.

Of last year's 12 Playoff Teams, 6 (50%) were run by teams with QB's who went in the 1st Round coming into the league. Of course this is considerably greater than any other round, of those six, four were taken in the Top 5 (33.3%). Now, I looked up every starting OT of every playoff team, going by each team's Gamebook for each individual game. 3 Offensive Tackles (Walter Jones, Chris Samuels, and Marc Colombo) were selected in the first round. Three. That's good for 12.5% of the 24 starting OT's in the playoffs. One, Chris Samuels, was selected in the Top 5. That's good for 4.2%.

Matt Ryan may not be Peyton Manning, but he is a better prospect than 2004 4th Pick Overall Phillip Rivers, another Top 5 selection. So not only may Ryan bring the fresh face I was talking about, he's a more worthy gamble than a guy like Jake Long, especially in a class rich with OT talent.

johbur
03-19-2008, 01:58 AM
Nice three rounder. Tough to predict trades, but at least with the GB-Seattle trade, totally believable.

I'm not a big fan of any the GB picks. My favored players in the sig, but you at least thought about what the picks might be. Good job.

ThePudge
03-19-2008, 02:34 AM
Nice three rounder. Tough to predict trades, but at least with the GB-Seattle trade, totally believable.

I'm not a big fan of any the GB picks. My favored players in the sig, but you at least thought about what the picks might be. Good job.

Ah, took a look at your sig. Love Zuttah for the Packers. Not sure how early they'd go for him, but I love it. I've thought about it myself and simply decided not in this one. Would be an excellent fit at OG or even C for their Zone Blocking Scheme.

I do like Flowers for Green Bay. I think he brings the physicality and scrapiness that Cason may lack. I believe to play in that defense, alongside Al Harris and Charles Woodson, a player should have that attitude and Flowers' is perfect. Physical CB with great ball skills, not afraid to take risks... he'll fit right in and learn from the right men.

I like Keller over Davis for Green Bay, but since he's not available, my hands are kind of tied there. Davis does, however, bring more value as a blocker. Not saying he's a good one, but he is a bit more polished than Keller and has a larger frame. I also think Davis will be a bit more effective than Keller in the redzone. So, while he may be lacking in that 4.5 speed or unbelievable athleticism, he makes up for it in other areas. Would provide an excellent alternative to Donald Lee and would supplant him in time.

I like the idea of Green Bay adding another pass-rusher and further depth at the DE position. That's where Jeremy Thompson comes in, he is the finest pass-rusher on the board. Fills a need with some value.

As for Guyton. He is an athletic project that can be used on Special Teams and for depth right away, but may be able to be molded in the Packers liking. A player with a lot of untapped potential.

SimonRath
03-19-2008, 06:44 AM
While Long makes sense and from a team standpoint may fill the biggest hole, I just see the Falcons passing on OT if Ryan's there for them at 3, which he very well may not be.

The more I think about it, the more it fits into place for me, the more I buy Matt Ryan as a Top 3 pick in this year's draft.

I did a bit of research, found out some interesting #'s for you. It was pretty eye opening to me as well, I have to admit.

Of last year's 12 Playoff Teams, 6 (50%) were run by teams with QB's who went in the 1st Round coming into the league. Of course this is considerably greater than any other round, of those six, four were taken in the Top 5 (33.3%). Now, I looked up every starting OT of every playoff team, going by each team's Gamebook for each individual game. 3 Offensive Tackles (Walter Jones, Chris Samuels, and Marc Colombo) were selected in the first round. Three. That's good for 12.5% of the 24 starting OT's in the playoffs. One, Chris Samuels, was selected in the Top 5. That's good for 4.2%.

Matt Ryan may not be Peyton Manning, but he is a better prospect than 2004 4th Pick Overall Phillip Rivers, another Top 5 selection. So not only may Ryan bring the fresh face I was talking about, he's a more worthy gamble than a guy like Jake Long, especially in a class rich with OT talent.


If Jake Long and Matt Ryan are there at #3 i HIGHLY doubt the falcons pick ryan over long.

what is a rookie QB gonna do if he has no line? hes gonna look like harrington looked last year. We need to build our line to protect our future QB so he doesnt get killed like David Carr did

ancoin
03-19-2008, 07:10 AM
Overall Perfect Vikings draft!

Finsfan79
03-19-2008, 08:13 AM
I agree with your thoughts on miami and about chris long, but miami wont be playing the 4-3 we have removed most of our 4-3 players we had left and plucked up all 3-4 Players in FA. All of the signings have been geared towards the 3-4 system.

I think the best picks there would be Jake Long or Vernan Gholston

I dont mind the flacco pick him or brohm both interest me.

Mr. Myogi
03-19-2008, 08:32 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/White_Flag.jpg/180px-White_Flag.jpg

I just don't believe RYAN can help us get better right now.

"We have to fix the holes in the ship before we can hire a captain."

SimonRath
03-19-2008, 10:12 AM
what makes everyone think that Matt Ryan could be good for us with the line we have?

ThePudge
03-19-2008, 10:43 AM
Personally I am old fashioned. I feel that you build a line around a QB, not vice versa. Good OL can be found later and it's much easier to find a franchise (or simply starting) QB early.

If the pick was Long, I'd have to basically take that as Atlanta saying "We're not going for anything this year, maybe we'll have a chance at a franchise passer next year." It be a COMPLETE rebuilding season. They need a QB and while Ryan isn't the prospect Peyton Manning was, he's somewhere right above where Phillip Rivers was as a prospect.

My main point being: you don't pass up a chance to get a franchise Quarterback. There will be plenty of capable Offensive Linemen in the 2nd. Gosder Cherilus, Carl Nicks, Chilo Rachal, Sam Baker, Oniel Cousins etc. Even more OL with be there in the 4th or so in Duane Brown, Kirk Barton, Tony Hills.

The point of that stat I threw out earlier isn't so much about QB's as much as it is about OT's. Those are some of the best OL's in football and they don't need 1st Rounders, or Top 5 picks. The value of a potential franchise QB is greater. The Falcons have at least 6 picks in the Top 105, possibly 7 if they get a compensation pick for Kerney. There is no reason to believe Atlanta can't go OL with at least two, maybe three of those picks and be fine.

Personally, this would be my fantasy draft for Atlanta

1(3). Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
2(34). Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
2(37). Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
2(48). Dre Moore - DT - Maryland
3(68). Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
3(98)*. Chris Ellis - DE - Virginia Tech
4(103). Duane Brown - OT - Virginia Tech

That, my friend, would look like a very solid first four rounds to me. Lot of ACC guys there, 5 out of 7. This is a "fantasy" draft, like yours, the stocks though are a bit more appropriate.

Ryan - Top 5
Cherilus - Late First-Early Second
Lee - Late First-Mid Second
Moore - Early-Mid Second
Goff - Late Second-Mid Third
Ellis - Third Round
Brown - Mid Third-Mid Fourth

toddmlazarchick
03-19-2008, 08:46 PM
the redskins are trying to move down, no chance they move up!?!?!

nemesis3394
03-20-2008, 02:36 PM
awesome vikes mock