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etk
03-17-2008, 05:58 PM
1st of all......GO CANADIANS!

Now onto the thread. Jesse Lumsden is a 25 year old RB that plays for Hamilton in the CFL. He is 6'2 226, and as some of you may already know he played at the East-West Shrine Game out of McMaster in the OUA and was signed to 2 teams and eventually cut from both (Seattle and Washington).

Lumsden is every bit NFL material as a RB/H-Back and deserves to be suiting up on Sunday's in the states. When people say "so-and-so is the next Adrian Peterson" on these boards I always think of Lumsden. He has outstanding size, breakaway speed, acceleration/burst, elusiveness and jukes, power, and vision. he is also a solid blocker and receiver. As a runner he is the closest comparison to Peterson I've ever seen. He loves contact but he can also run away from defenses in a flash, which is incredible at his size. His weaknesses are his upright bruising running style (could lead to injuries), lack of balance, and some tightness when making hard cuts (similar weaknesses to other taller backs). I think he can start in the NFL, but to me he's better than every 3rd string tailback in the NFL at the very least. Once again, to recap, he's a freakish athlete and a beast of a runner.

So now I'll let you decide.....does Lumsden belong in the NFL or not? What are his strengths and weaknesses and how do you think he would fit on a team's roster? Are there any other players from foreign countries that were overlooked, or similar stories to Lumsden's. The way I look at it, he has 2 things going against him: his skin color, and his home country/alma mater. There is definitely a glass ceiling for most Canadians and Caucasians at certain positions. There are very few Canadian runningbacks in the NFL and there are fewer white RBs. You might say he had his 2 chances but I don't think there was a fair evaluation process because this kid has all the talent in the world to make a roster.

Here's two videos of him. Note the 2nd one has some inappropriate language in the intro so if you are turned off by such a thing don't click on it or skip the beginning. It is the better video of the 2 nonetheless.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RTe8X1oCbBA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WAl3dWh-pX4&feature=related

Also look out for Jerome Messam in the 08 draft or FA!

TimD
03-17-2008, 06:03 PM
I was looking at his stats and even though he is 6th in rushing yards (Jarrett Payton is 5th) he has about half the amount of carries as the rest of them do. 90 something carries and he averages over 7.0 yards a carry. crazy

slightlyaraiderfan
03-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Obviously he wasn't able to hack it once he played with real players. You can't say he didn't get a fair shot at showing off his talent, because you don't know that process.

Hawk
03-17-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't see the Peterson comparison. He doesn't have THAT kind of speed.

Actually watching those highlights, he looks more like a Ryan Grant type player. Runs hard right at the contact, with quick feet and he's sneaky fast.

etk
03-17-2008, 06:50 PM
He is a poor man's Peterson. I'm not saying he's as close to as good as Peterson, but he's a backup/spot starter Peterson with his size and skills.

I'm pretty sure he hacked it well at the East West Shrine Game...5 carries for 41 yards to be exact. You're right though, he got his chances and he didn't make it, but I'd like to know why. Many others share the same feeling as I do.....he's Canadian and White and therefore there is no justification of keeping a player like that on the roster. I think one of the Seahawks and Redskins even had injuries at the position after he was signed but he still didn't make it....he definitely has/had the talent, but it could be that he doesn't understand American offensive terminology or something hidden that you don't notice on a highlight tape. I do have my doubts though.

defensiveback23
03-17-2008, 06:56 PM
Shoot, if he's as good as you say he is I'd take him on the Chargers in a heartbeat. Sounds like the perfect replacement for Michael Turner.

After watching the videos it looks to me like the guy has great acceleration but doesn't have true breakaway speed. He falls into the more quick than fast category.

vidae
03-17-2008, 07:14 PM
After watching both videos, the thing that stood out the most to me is that the kid will bust his butt to get that extra yard almost every play. He goes all out on every clip in both videos.

bearsfan_51
03-17-2008, 07:18 PM
Man you're lucky you put a lot of effort into this, my finger was on the "close thread" button....;)

619
03-17-2008, 07:21 PM
I don't see the Peterson comparison. He doesn't have THAT kind of speed.

Actually watching those highlights, he looks more like a Ryan Grant type player. Runs hard right at the contact, with quick feet and he's sneaky fast.

Agreed. The Lumsden to Grant comparison is more accurate due to similar running styles and physical makeups. I've seen enough of this guy in the CIS and CFL to say he atleast deserves a shot on some team's practice roster.

Billingsley26
03-17-2008, 07:24 PM
Obviously he wasn't able to hack it once he played with real players. You can't say he didn't get a fair shot at showing off his talent, because you don't know that process.

Well, if you knew the story, Lumsden had stated that he never had a fair shot, and another back on Seattle agreed to the story. He was in for it from the beginning. They never gave him reps in practise, and he hardly got reps in individual drills.

Billingsley26
03-17-2008, 07:27 PM
He is a poor man's Peterson. I'm not saying he's as close to as good as Peterson, but he's a backup/spot starter Peterson with his size and skills.

I'm pretty sure he hacked it well at the East West Shrine Game...5 carries for 41 yards to be exact. You're right though, he got his chances and he didn't make it, but I'd like to know why. Many others share the same feeling as I do.....he's Canadian and White and therefore there is no justification of keeping a player like that on the roster. I think one of the Seahawks and Redskins even had injuries at the position after he was signed but he still didn't make it....he definitely has/had the talent, but it could be that he doesn't understand American offensive terminology or something hidden that you don't notice on a highlight tape. I do have my doubts though.

It was wit Washington, Clinton Portis separeted his shoulder, and I want to say that Rock Cartwright was injured too. This lead them to cut Lumsden and sign TJ Duckett. Yea, that worked out eh?

Agreed. The Lumsden to Grant comparison is more accurate due to similar running styles and physical makeups. I've seen enough of this guy in the CIS and CFL to say he atleast deserves a shot on some team's practice roster.

He absolutely ruined the CIS. Like, he took his pads off in some games after the 1st quarter. It was ridiculous. I think he averaged close to 200 yards a game.

619
03-17-2008, 07:27 PM
Well, if you knew the story, Lumsden had stated that he never had a fair shot, and another back on Seattle agreed to the story. He was in for it from the beginning. They never gave him reps in practise, and he hardly got reps in individual drills.

Sad cuz he's one of the better Canadian talents we've seen in a while. I'm hoping a team like Buffalo could give him his shot as a third down/change of pace back to Lynch. Their styles would contrast well imo. O well probably will never happen.

Aftermath
03-17-2008, 07:29 PM
He looks as slow as Rudi Johnson...

McGahee
03-17-2008, 07:34 PM
I too have seen him play at McMaster, he even went to the highschool just down the road from mine. But I don't agree with you that he is a poor man's Adrian Peterson, or even NFL worthy.

First off here's what I like about him; he's got good straight line speed and runs with straight line power. Decent blocking, good bulk. He has some of the things needed to be a quality NFL running back. But what I don't like about him is his lack of elusiveness, if you look at him run he has very little shiftyness - everything is always in a straight line. He can make big cuts in space, but he can't make shifty little cuts in traffic. What I'm getting at is that he has well below average agility for a prospective NFL running back and he almost runs in a robotic style. To me he looks more like an athletic TE when he runs with the football.

And if you're using his stats from Mac or the CFL then it's clearly biased. Your CFL field is much bigger and puts an emphasis on passing the football, allowing a RB relative success against the smallish defenses in Canadian Football. He takes advantage of his size against these smallish defenses and most of his big runs come from broken tackles. Now try to translate that running style into the NFL where you have a smaller field and bigger defenders, and suddenly Lumsden gets marginalized into just a one dimensional power back.

There's a reason why NFL Guru Mike Holmgren cut Jesse Lumsden, and no other team has picked him up.

Eaglez.Fan
03-17-2008, 07:39 PM
It was definatley a front office reason of why he got cut. I heard his Dad one time on the radio saying that he was expected to make the team as the #3 guy and even C-Po said he'd definatley was going to make it and he talked to some coaches and they agreed. Then one day he was called into an office and was released with no explanation. I can't say how true this is and even if it is it doesn't proove everything. However, there is no doubt that he should be atleast on an NFL roster.

ImBrotherCain
03-17-2008, 07:51 PM
When i was watching the video for some reason i thought of Brian Leonard... At the end i saw the Peterson reference a bit. What i will say about him from what ive seen is that hes a hard nosed player that isnt afraid to block... Has great vision and doesnt shy away from contact and runs hard till the whistle... All i can say is i wouldnt mind seeing this guy compete for a spot on the packers roster or any roster for that matter, i want to see more players like him in the NFL

slightlyaraiderfan
03-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Well, if you knew the story, Lumsden had stated that he never had a fair shot, and another back on Seattle agreed to the story. He was in for it from the beginning. They never gave him reps in practise, and he hardly got reps in individual drills.
Oh, thanks for filling me in. So he really did not get a chance because hes white and canadian?????? Wow, that sux.

XxXdragonXxX
03-17-2008, 08:05 PM
Oh, thanks for filling me in. So he really did not get a chance because hes white and canadian?????? Wow, that sux.

He didn't get a chance in Seattle because he was an injured white canadian.

Wootylicous
03-17-2008, 08:07 PM
Oh god...caste football supporter ?

Eaglez.Fan
03-17-2008, 08:35 PM
seriously? people are posting quotes from his dad and things he's said that some nameless seattle player agreed with as if they're actual supporting evidence? jesus christ.

two nfl teams cut him and it's unacceptable that he just wasn't good enough? come on. that's pathetic.

I was just stating that if it was true it seems a little fishy. And you have to admit that alot of white running backs are shot down right away from being an actual RB (Brian Leonard) in the NFL. And only because they were white. No this guy is white and canadian which would seem to be even worse.

lionsfan81
03-17-2008, 08:38 PM
1st of all......GO CANADIANS!

Also look out for Jerome Messam in the 08 draft or FA!

I remember him out of High School. MSU was on him hard at first and they were saying he would be one of the top ranked players in the US if he lived there. Then he signed with Rutgers, went to JUCO and who knows what else. How did he end up in canadian football again?

lionsfan81
03-17-2008, 08:41 PM
Yea after watching this guys film I can see why he's not in the nfl. He runs tall and has some of the choppiest short footwork ive seen.

Dam8610
03-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Is he better than Kenton Keith? Thus far I'm not at all impressed with Keith, and his CFL highlight reel was just as impressive.

etk
03-17-2008, 08:44 PM
Man you're lucky you put a lot of effort into this, my finger was on the "close thread" button....;)

I know how things work here. When I have "idea" threads I can't just post one line and expect it to run through, especially not in the NFL forum. Thanks for reasoning with me though.

It was wit Washington, Clinton Portis separeted his shoulder, and I want to say that Rock Cartwright was injured too. This lead them to cut Lumsden and sign TJ Duckett. Yea, that worked out eh?



Yeah I do remember that, but I also remember another time, maybe with Seattle, that the 3rd string back got injured in a pre-season game and I looked at my dad and we both knew he was gonna make it.....but he didn't. njx9 has a point but I don't believe Lumsden got a fair chance. I thought maybe a guy like Tom Dimitroff would give him another one but I guess not.


-To those who posted the criticisms of Lumsden's playing style, and those who remarked positively....I didn't quote any of you individually but overall I felt like mostly good points were made and it's good to see some critical thinking on highlight tapes.

Komp
03-17-2008, 08:45 PM
Whoever brought out the Ryan Grant comparison is pretty bang on imo. As a Canadian I'd love to see Lumsden make it as having a Canadian playing at a skill position in the NFL would probably give football a big boost in Canada from a youth standpoint. It is already growing quite a bit, but getting a high profile Canadian would put it over the top.

I don't think Lumsden can be a guy who can carry the load in the NFL but I certainly think he can help carry it. He would be a great change of pace back for someone like [ironically] Clinton Portis or LT.

The thing I like the most about Lumsden is he DOES NOT want to play his entire career in the CFL. He wants to be in the NFL. Someone should give this guy a real shot....I don't think they would be disappointed.

etk
03-17-2008, 08:45 PM
I remember him out of High School. MSU was on him hard at first and they were saying he would be one of the top ranked players in the US if he lived there. Then he signed with Rutgers, went to JUCO and who knows what else. How did he end up in canadian football again?

Jerome Messam is not in the CFL. He's a draft prospect this year out of Div 3 after running into some trouble in college. He could be the next Brandon Jacobs and you'll see his name in some of the draft magazines that were published.

brat316
03-17-2008, 08:59 PM
I was just stating that if it was true it seems a little fishy. And you have to admit that alot of white running backs are shot down right away from being an actual RB (Brian Leonard) in the NFL. And only because they were white. No this guy is white and canadian which would seem to be even worse.

Thats ridiculous some players have natural ability like speed and quickness and they don't make it to the nfl. Its what you do with it and how your are as a player on a football team, your vision as a runner and how you run also matters. Players get cut all the time, to either make room on the roster or to save money. If he was that good then some other team would have taken a shot at him or he could have went on PS and played his way up, like Willie Parker, Greg Lewis.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WAl3dWh-pX4&feature=related


He gets caught from behind, also looks like some of the guys are slower than him. He isn't great a breaking tackles or going through people also yeah he doesn;t have good balance. But he does have nice runs, and looks to be a good KR breaks arm tackles. The problem might be being 6'2 might be better suited for WR. He is running really up right, but when gets low running through the holes he can explode through those holes with those short choppy steps.

He could become a good KR, if he really wanted to play in the NFL why not try everything from PS to ST to 2 nd or 3rd string. Do what Joe Horn did, also why didn't he stay at Rutgers.

etk
03-17-2008, 10:01 PM
Lumsden never went to Rutgers. He took his HS team (Nelson) to the highest possible bowl game (forget the name back then) and won MVP. Then he stayed at home and played for McMaster. His dad was a fullback in the CFL but he played QB for my current school.

brat316
03-17-2008, 10:55 PM
Well maybe he should have went to an American College might have helped him out to play in the NFL.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-17-2008, 11:29 PM
If anybody were to give him a true shot it would be a team like Green Bay that signs guys all the time that you never heard of. But as of right now, being in Canada is hurting him big time. He should go on a mission to try to make an NFL team in tryouts etc. I read on Yahoo that William Green has straightened out and is working out at the Boston College pro day to try to get noticed again this weekend. Lumsden should do something like that.

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 12:26 AM
Oh, thanks for filling me in. So he really did not get a chance because hes white and canadian?????? Wow, that sux.

Ya, because that is exactly what I said right? Thanks for retelling me exactly what I said smart guy.

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 12:31 AM
I remember him out of High School. MSU was on him hard at first and they were saying he would be one of the top ranked players in the US if he lived there. Then he signed with Rutgers, went to JUCO and who knows what else. How did he end up in canadian football again?

Yeah, Messam is just flat out stupid. He went to a juco in one of the Dakota's. I think it was in Whapeton, ND. Called North Dakota College of the Sciences, or something along those lines.

Anyways, he had his sidekick, named Jared Manchulenko, and everywhere one went, the other went too. But the thing is they were always trouble. So while he was there, I believe he was the top rated juco player after one year, and he ended up breaking several team rules while on the road, and just didnt comply with any of them. Thus leading to him getting kicked off the team.

He is a hell of a talent, and he is at NAIA Graceland right now. Doing quite well too. He declared for the draft, and I believe is taking part in a pro day somewhere, not sure where though.

I highly doubt that anyone takes a chance on him. In fact, I bet two of his friends who went to HS with him 100$ each that he doesnt get a try out. He needs to go to the CFL where he can show how good he really is, and that he has matured and can stay outta trouble. Too bad, because he was a great athlete. I remember a HS basektball game where he dunked and broke the entire net off the ceiling. Just to give you some sort of insight.

alexschnarr
03-18-2008, 12:35 AM
Lumsden can't even carry the load in the CFL he is always hurt!

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 12:39 AM
Lumsden never went to Rutgers. He took his HS team (Nelson) to the highest possible bowl game (forget the name back then) and won MVP. Then he stayed at home and played for McMaster. His dad was a fullback in the CFL but he played QB for my current school.

He won a Metro Bowl while at Nelson, but it was the year where we had the Teachers Strike, and not every conference was able to play for a bowl. Most notably, Lorne Park (Mississauga). They went undefeated, and were screwed outta playing in a bowl game. Nelson never even played the CISSAA schools. I think they beat Central Tech in the finals.

Anyways, his next year, they lost to Notre Dame (Burlington), who went on to the Metro Bowl finals, only to lose to Lorne Park. P.S My dad coached at Lorne Park when they won ROPSSAA 5 t straight times, and won 2 Metro Bowls and a 1 Golden Horshoe Bowl. Great teams.

Yea, his dad is Neil Lumsden. I believe he is in the CFL hall of fame. Could be wrong, but he is a big name around the league.

slightlyaraiderfan
03-18-2008, 01:58 AM
Ya, because that is exactly what I said right? Thanks for retelling me exactly what I said smart guy.
I was just concurring with you Billingsley! The situation you explained certainly sounds fishy, is there a conspiracy going on?....NFL DON'T LIKE WHITE RUNNING BACKS!

The Legend
03-18-2008, 05:36 AM
he got cut by the Redskins and the Seahawks why would he make it now?

Iamcanadian
03-18-2008, 07:14 AM
Look, I was certainly hoping Lumsden would have a great career in the NFL but he got cut by 2 teams and came to the CFL.
I consider Gibbs, the HC at Washington to be a pretty good assessor of talent and he cut Lumsden, nobody else picked him up, end of story.
He had his shots and didn't impress enough for any NFL team to want him.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-18-2008, 10:32 AM
I believe it was Moses who told me this guy ran a 4.4 at the combine. He is not slow.

Twiddler
03-18-2008, 10:43 AM
I'll admit, the tapes of him look impressive but if he belongs in the NFL so badly then he'll just have to come down and make a team for himself.

TACKLE
03-18-2008, 11:01 AM
Here a name to look out for in a few years: Jamall Lee

He was the CIS rushing leader in his 3rd year. In 8 games he rushed for 1492 (186.5 ypg) on 192 attempts (7.77 ypc) and 12 TD's. He's listed at 6'1 215 but he's actually close to 6'2 225 (I know because he went to my HS and said that he tried to make himself seem more compact.) He runs in the 4.5-4.4 range. He carried his team, the Bishop Gaiters all season. Before this year Bishop's was one of the worst teams in CIS and they finished as one of the top 5-10 teams. Jamall is an absolute freak. He's going into his 4th year. If Lee continues this domination at the CIS level for the next to seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if he got some looks from NFL teams.

http://cis.infinityprosports.com/2004/index.php?page=rosters&sub=player&sport_name=football&player_id=3285

http://www.ubishops.ca/GAITERS/photo/athlete/jamall_lee-action01.jpg

badgerbacker
03-18-2008, 12:50 PM
Look, I was certainly hoping Lumsden would have a great career in the NFL but he got cut by 2 teams and came to the CFL.
I consider Gibbs, the HC at Washington to be a pretty good assessor of talent and he cut Lumsden, nobody else picked him up, end of story.
He had his shots and didn't impress enough for any NFL team to want him.Exactly. People can complain that he's being treated unfairly, but you have to understand that GM's and coaches want the best possible team they can get. If he was better than the other RB's on the roster, he would have made the team over them.

FloridaFootball
03-18-2008, 12:53 PM
The only reason the redskins cut him in the 2006 offseason was because we have,

RB

1. Clinton Portis
2. Ladell Betts
3. Rock Cartwright


Jesse was impressive in preseason games.

619
03-18-2008, 12:57 PM
It would be fair to let him play one full season in the CFL first before we can start making all these assessments on whether or not he belongs in the NFL.

skinzzfan25
03-18-2008, 01:05 PM
Lumsden was beat out by Nehemiah Broughton (7th rounder from Citadel) and TJ Duckett.

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 01:14 PM
Here a name to look out for in a few years: Jamall Lee

He was the CIS rushing leader in his 3rd year. In 8 games he rushed for 1492 (186.5 ypg) on 192 attempts (7.77 ypc) and 12 TD's. He's listed at 6'1 215 but he's actually close to 6'2 225 (I know because he went to my HS and said that he tried to make himself seem more compact.) He runs in the 4.5-4.4 range. He carried his team, the Bishop Gaiters all season. Before this year Bishop's was one of the worst teams in CIS and they finished as one of the top 5-10 teams. Jamall is an absolute freak. He's going into his 4th year. If Lee continues this domination at the CIS level for the next to seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if he got some looks from NFL teams.

http://cis.infinityprosports.com/2004/index.php?page=rosters&sub=player&sport_name=football&player_id=3285

http://www.ubishops.ca/GAITERS/photo/athlete/jamall_lee-action01.jpg

I think I would still rather take Darryl Stephenson from Windsor over him. Stephenson I believe either broke, or is very close to breaking many of Lumsden's records. And yea, Jamal Lee is bigger than 6'1 215. When I went to Bishops in early february, I was tlking to him, and he damn near my size, and Im 6'3. He is a talent, seriously, but I like Stephenson. Big, fast, can cut and can pound the rock. I think he may got a shot as well in the NFL.

alexschnarr
03-18-2008, 01:54 PM
Laurier is where its at in the CIS anyhow

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Laurier is where its at in the CIS anyhow

Not anymore. Western is coming back up with Greg Marshall, and same with Guelph. McMaster should be good, Ottawa is going to be solid. Queens is also a solid squad. The OUA should be pretty good next year.

alexschnarr
03-18-2008, 02:01 PM
No i know, one of my best friends is captain of there defense though, so i gotta rep them, but I also think they are better than Guelph, and Western

etk
03-18-2008, 02:19 PM
He won a Metro Bowl while at Nelson, but it was the year where we had the Teachers Strike, and not every conference was able to play for a bowl. Most notably, Lorne Park (Mississauga). They went undefeated, and were screwed outta playing in a bowl game. Nelson never even played the CISSAA schools. I think they beat Central Tech in the finals.

Anyways, his next year, they lost to Notre Dame (Burlington), who went on to the Metro Bowl finals, only to lose to Lorne Park. P.S My dad coached at Lorne Park when they won ROPSSAA 5 t straight times, and won 2 Metro Bowls and a 1 Golden Horshoe Bowl. Great teams.

Yea, his dad is Neil Lumsden. I believe he is in the CFL hall of fame. Could be wrong, but he is a big name around the league.

Yeah Northern didn't even play a game that year....our coaches say that was our most talented and hard-working team ever and they got screwed.

Billingsley26
03-18-2008, 03:35 PM
Yeah Northern didn't even play a game that year....our coaches say that was our most talented and hard-working team ever and they got screwed.

My dad says the same thing for Lorne Park. I think that was a tainted year, and LP should have won. seeing as they ripped through everyone the year before, and even beat St. Mikes.

Mr. Stiller
03-19-2008, 12:43 AM
He is a poor man's Peterson. I'm not saying he's as close to as good as Peterson, but he's a backup/spot starter Peterson with his size and skills.

I'm pretty sure he hacked it well at the East West Shrine Game...5 carries for 41 yards to be exact. You're right though, he got his chances and he didn't make it, but I'd like to know why. Many others share the same feeling as I do.....he's Canadian and White and therefore there is no justification of keeping a player like that on the roster. I think one of the Seahawks and Redskins even had injuries at the position after he was signed but he still didn't make it....he definitely has/had the talent, but it could be that he doesn't understand American offensive terminology or something hidden that you don't notice on a highlight tape. I do have my doubts though.

I'm split.

I think he'd be a solid Role player as a 3rd down/Short Yardage back.

I see a lot of Jerome Bettis in him.

The way he holds the ball, his agillity for his size with the quick choppy steps and the ability to sidestep or run over.

He has another gear, but he doesn't have 4.3 speed, he was caught a tone of times.


I'm frankly more interesting in that #69 (LG or LT?) but that guy is a Very Athletic Mauling looking player. Very quick out on screens.

But back to Lumsden. I think he could be a Ladell Betts like player, maybe a starter in short spurts, but I don't think he's a Franchise caliber.

PACKmanN
03-19-2008, 12:50 AM
He also got a chance with the Packers in 2005 and didn't make it.

Mr. Stiller
03-19-2008, 12:51 AM
He also got a chance with the Packers in 2005 and didn't make it.

Noah Herron did.

Billingsley26
03-19-2008, 01:05 AM
He also got a chance with the Packers in 2005 and didn't make it.

No he didnt. Jesse was only with Seattle and Washington.

JF4
03-19-2008, 01:06 AM
He also got a chance with the Packers in 2005 and didn't make it.

I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure he never got a shot with the Packers.


ur quick billingsley

jared
03-19-2008, 10:12 AM
Jesse impressed and earned tons of praise throughout East West Shrine but never saw the field in preseason for the Seahawks in 05'. He got hurt early in camp and recovered before a preseason game with Dallas. He was assured by the Seahawks he would get some carries, he never even got past the sidelines. He was cut the next day.
In 06' the Skins signed him and he was reportedly very impressive in the Baltimore-Washington scrimmage and training camp. However, once it came to preseason, he was in for maybe about two plays total. It was pretty clear that Washington had their running back depth chart set long before Lumsden even got there. They had no intention of allowing him to unseat any established Redskins and they barely let him on the field even in the third and fourth games of preseason when everybody gets a shot.

I guess lots of guys get hosed every year but it's not often that someone with his measurables and resume' gets axed without a chance to even showcase himself.

etk
03-19-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm frankly more interesting in that #69 (LG or LT?) but that guy is a Very Athletic Mauling looking player. Very quick out on screens.

But back to Lumsden. I think he could be a Ladell Betts like player, maybe a starter in short spurts, but I don't think he's a Franchise caliber.

The Ti-Cats have one of the worst lines I've ever seen in professional football. They can't pass block whatsoever.

Franchise caliber? He's good but that would be ridiculous if a franchise back was sitting in Canada (not by choice). I agree with your assessment but even mentioning those words is a stretch.

Billingsley26
03-21-2008, 04:41 PM
I think I would still rather take Darryl Stephenson from Windsor over him. Stephenson I believe either broke, or is very close to breaking many of Lumsden's records. And yea, Jamal Lee is bigger than 6'1 215. When I went to Bishops in early february, I was tlking to him, and he damn near my size, and Im 6'3. He is a talent, seriously, but I like Stephenson. Big, fast, can cut and can pound the rock. I think he may got a shot as well in the NFL.

At the CFL Combine Testing Darryl Stephenson ran a 4.7 40, benched 225 23 times, 4.41 shuttle, 37 inch vertical, 9'11 1/2 broad jump. Pretty good numbers except for the forty. If he is able to cut that down at all he can be a beast. He is 6'2 225, and I believe broke Jesse Lumsden's records. If I am wrong, he was awfully close to beating them.
Someone might give him a shot with a tryout, but I think these numbers show that he can cut and has agility, and is also an all around athlete.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Di_EgbPr00

This video should show you everything. He won the Hec Crieghton in 2006 (Canadian Heisman) and this video shows you his hands, his cuts, power, change of direction and breakway speed. I think he looks like a little better prospect than Jesse Lumsden was.

P.S Check out the run at 3:20.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-21-2008, 05:15 PM
seriously? people are posting quotes from his dad and things he's said that some nameless seattle player agreed with as if they're actual supporting evidence? jesus christ.

two nfl teams cut him and it's unacceptable that he just wasn't good enough? come on. that's pathetic.


Right on. If he's could cut it in the NFL, he'd be there. No matter what his color.

Nalej
03-21-2008, 09:32 PM
Never heard of him... but from the videos... dude looks like a beast