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blueprint
03-18-2008, 08:38 PM
Does he have any value? I still think of him as a good lineman and I would like for my 49ers to trade for him.

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 08:49 PM
i dont think a trade would happen, he did let up 6 sacks to Osi, so i dont think that makes him that attractive of a player.

Komp
03-18-2008, 08:55 PM
Yah Osi just destroyed him that game. I actually felt bad for him.

Bigburt63
03-18-2008, 09:12 PM
He was out of position for that game I believe, playing left tackle instead of right. That does make a difference and I think he can still develop into a solid player at this level.

BeerBaron
03-18-2008, 09:17 PM
well i imagine that he was a high enough pick that the eagles might not want to give up on him yet.

sure he had a bad game but i dont think that makes him a bad player

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 09:20 PM
well i imagine that he was a high enough pick that the eagles might not want to give up on him yet.

sure he had a bad game but i dont think that makes him a bad player

he had TE's lined up next to him to help w/ Osi, i think that makes him lower than his original pick value, i dont even know why a trade is being brought up, seriously

Cashmoney
03-18-2008, 09:47 PM
I remember when he was being projected to go to the Eagles in the first round and they ended up getting him in the second. That was pretty crazyy.

bigbluedefense
03-18-2008, 09:50 PM
incredibly underrated at this point. the public knows him for the thrashing that Osi gave him. people forget that the entire oline played miserably that game, and that it was his first game at LT without any help whatsoever against one of the best LE's in the game.

He's going to be at the very least, a solid RT when he gets his chance. He's going to redeem himself when given the oppurtunity.

and considering Philly has age at both Tackle positions, I think theyd be foolish to trade him. they know what theyre doing. just give him time.

BufFan71
03-18-2008, 10:01 PM
after the 2nd, 3rd,4th,5th sack(s)

ud think they would give him some help with a HB or TE



nope, thats andy reid for ya

Don Vito
03-18-2008, 11:04 PM
He can still be a great player, he is very talented. However that performance of his against the Giants will be remembered by anyone who follows the NFL as well as Justice himself, a game like that can destroy a players confidence.

Raiderz4Life
03-19-2008, 12:20 AM
he had TE's lined up next to him to help w/ Osi, i think that makes him lower than his original pick value, i dont even know why a trade is being brought up, seriously

were we uh...watching the same game?
he had no help....even the commentators pointed it out
so unless you had the 'eye' and could see something we couldnt Winston didnt have much help.

SenorGato
03-19-2008, 01:10 AM
incredibly underrated at this point. the public knows him for the thrashing that Osi gave him. people forget that the entire oline played miserably that game, and that it was his first game at LT without any help whatsoever against one of the best LE's in the game.

He's going to be at the very least, a solid RT when he gets his chance. He's going to redeem himself when given the oppurtunity.

and considering Philly has age at both Tackle positions, I think theyd be foolish to trade him. they know what theyre doing. just give him time.

QFT.

He was great in college, is a siiiick athlete for a T, and he's on a team that coaches young OL players really well...well except for Adriane Clarke.

Forenci
03-19-2008, 01:26 AM
I pretty much agree with BBD on this. He's become fairly overlooked because of one bad game, where the team and offensive line in general played pretty poor as a unit.

A lot of it depends on whether he was able to recover mentally from that game or not. Some guys would just get over it and use it as a chip on their shoulder while others would never recover their confidence from something like that.

brat316
03-19-2008, 01:32 AM
He did play out of position, at LT and the help he was suppose to get he didn't get. Like at times the Gaurd was suppose to help out instead the guard and center double team the DT. What would be crazy is if the Eagles got Baker the LT and had Justice playing RT. Also the rb was suppose to chip at him but that didn't happen with Buckhalter who was starting that game.

Shahin
03-19-2008, 02:18 AM
incredibly underrated at this point. the public knows him for the thrashing that Osi gave him. people forget that the entire oline played miserably that game, and that it was his first game at LT without any help whatsoever against one of the best LE's in the game.

He's going to be at the very least, a solid RT when he gets his chance. He's going to redeem himself when given the oppurtunity.

and considering Philly has age at both Tackle positions, I think theyd be foolish to trade him. they know what theyre doing. just give him time.

Damn, well that just about wraps it up.

Ness
03-19-2008, 03:55 AM
I would be very disappointed if the 49ers pursued him.

Thunder&Lightning
03-19-2008, 06:49 AM
he will always be remembered for the giants game. Hes got talent i hop a team takes a chance on him if philly doesnt.

toonsterwu
03-19-2008, 06:56 AM
I don't see the Eagles moving him just yet. He was never as good as some suggested coming out of college, but he is still a solid tackle talent and could be in line to play RT. I was never a big fan of Winston as a LT, but I think, with work, he could make a solid Rt, and considering the age on the tackles, I don't see them moving him. By next year, they very well could have a new set of tackles (Justice with someone from this year perhaps).

eaglesalltheway
03-19-2008, 07:13 AM
I don't see the Eagles moving him just yet. He was never as good as some suggested coming out of college, but he is still a solid tackle talent and could be in line to play RT. I was never a big fan of Winston as a LT, but I think, with work, he could make a solid Rt, and considering the age on the tackles, I don't see them moving him. By next year, they very well could have a new set of tackles (Justice with someone from this year perhaps).

This is correct, the Eagles are not moving him, and he will at least get a shot at being our RT, or maybe even LT. Probably best suited to play RT, but depending on how he progresses, could be a successful LT.

ks_perfection
03-19-2008, 09:55 AM
He played really badly but it was still just one game. He's young with potential and could still end up being a solid RT. Definitly wouldn't be a good move to give up on him and get a lousy offer from his deflated value.

bsaza2358
03-19-2008, 10:37 AM
Justice was a potentially dominant RT coming out of college. He dropped due to concerns over whether he was a LT and for character/work ethic issues. I think in his third year, he could beat out John Runyan for the starting RT job. Yes, it is possible that Runyan could be cut. That will be a sad day for Eagles fans, but it might be the right move.

Geo
03-19-2008, 11:35 AM
I recently posed this question out loud, wondering it myself, is if Gosder Cherilus is sitting there at #19 (I think that's the Eagles' pick), how much do the Eagles consider him? We know OL and DL is their forte in the first round, and importantly they have success with that method whereas they suck at drafting receivers for example.

If they have potentially 10 great years of right tackle play from Cherilus there on the table for them, do they take it and try to work Justice out at LT?

I think they do, even though I think Justice can play and isn't near as bad as that night against the Giants. Which I'm pretty sure he had some help, even if they didn't keep a tight end with him at all times like he probably needed. The OL itself was a complete and utter mess that day, Justice wasn't the only culprit.

bigbluedefense
03-19-2008, 11:38 AM
I recently posed this question out loud, wondering it myself, is if Gosder Cherilus is sitting there at #19 (I think that's the Eagles' pick), how much do the Eagles consider him? We know OL and DL is their forte in the first round, and importantly they have success with that method whereas they suck at drafting receivers for example.

If they have potentially 10 great years of right tackle play from Cherilus there on the table for them, do they take it and try to work Justice out at LT?

I think they do, even though I think Justice can play and isn't near as bad as that night against the Giants. Which I'm pretty sure he had some help, even if they didn't keep a tight end with him at all times like he probably needed. The OL itself was a complete and utter mess that day, Justice wasn't the only culprit.

myself and Bsaza have been saying since PS that the Eagles are in all likelihood going LT with their 1st this year. I still feel that way. Its either LT, or Kenny Phillips.

Geo
03-19-2008, 11:42 AM
Which LT are they going to draft, if Long/Clady/Williams/Otah/and maybe Albert are off the board? There isn't one remotely worth considering there.

Phillips at #19? Eh, maybe that's a bit high. He wore the same uni as Ed Reed and Sean Taylor, let's stop trying to be cute and make the comparison more than it really is.

Besides, I would think FS is more valuable to the Eagles and their first round pick usage. Dawkins is probably playing his last year.

bigbluedefense
03-19-2008, 11:47 AM
Which LT are they going to draft, if Long/Clady/Williams/Otah/and maybe Albert are off the board? There isn't one remotely worth considering there.

Phillips at #19? Eh, maybe that's a bit high. He wore the same uni as Ed Reed and Sean Taylor, let's stop trying to be cute and make the comparison more than it really is.

Besides, I would think FS is more valuable to the Eagles and their first round pick usage. Dawkins is probably playing his last year.

whats the chances all of those guys are taken before 19 though? i can see them perhaps trading back if all are gone and taking Baker later on, although I think Reid favors big strong linemen opposed to finesse guys.

I think Phillips is rated higher by teams than he is over here. Dallas has him rated their #3 DB on their board. I personally think he'll bounce back in the pros on the right team. And the fit just makes sense. They need a safety, he's the best available guy. *shrug*

bsaza2358
03-19-2008, 11:52 AM
If the Eagles really like a guy, they will trade up to get him. As they showed last year, they are also not afraid to drop back to get a guy they like at a stronger value. After the elite guys in the top 12-14, there is a long group in the 15-45 range that can grade out similarly. Might not pay to move up in that kind of environment unless they absolutely love someone.

The Eagles' biggest needs are OT depth, WR quality, PR/KR, DLine depth, then safety of the future.

Go_Eagles77
03-19-2008, 01:46 PM
He may have played poorly at LT in the giants game but he had a lot of starting time the final 2 games at RT against the saints and bills and looked really good. In a couple years I'm sure everyone will have forgot about the giants game.

bigbluedefense
03-19-2008, 01:59 PM
im gonna miss the Strahan/Runyan battles. I guess the next chapter will be Tuck vs Justice.

...i got money on Tuck lol.

yourfavestoner
03-21-2008, 02:19 AM
Which LT are they going to draft, if Long/Clady/Williams/Otah/and maybe Albert are off the board? There isn't one remotely worth considering there.

Phillips at #19? Eh, maybe that's a bit high. He wore the same uni as Ed Reed and Sean Taylor, let's stop trying to be cute and make the comparison more than it really is.

Besides, I would think FS is more valuable to the Eagles and their first round pick usage. Dawkins is probably playing his last year.

Remember, though, that Dawkins himself was a second round draft pick. I think that the Eagles FO, more than any other team, places an emphasis on getting big guys early and leaving less important positions for later rounds. Even if Dawkins is playing his last year, I don't think they'd reach on a safety in the first round, especially with the awesome CB corp they have.

eaglesalltheway
03-21-2008, 07:27 AM
I think the Eagles may go safety in the first orund, depending upon who is available, but safety will be taken care of in the first three rounds for sure.

Beans
03-21-2008, 12:41 PM
he will always be remembered for the giants game.

It's the Bill Buckner effect.

DragonFireKai
03-21-2008, 04:13 PM
Remember, though, that Dawkins himself was a second round draft pick. I think that the Eagles FO, more than any other team, places an emphasis on getting big guys early and leaving less important positions for later rounds. Even if Dawkins is playing his last year, I don't think they'd reach on a safety in the first round, especially with the awesome CB corp they have.

To be honest, I think the Eagles might slide Sheldon Brown back to FS once Dawkins retires.

brat316
03-21-2008, 04:25 PM
I don't think Brown is big enough to play FS, why not just get Kenny Phillips.

DragonFireKai
03-21-2008, 04:36 PM
I don't think Brown is big enough to play FS, why not just get Kenny Phillips.

He's the same size as Ed Reed, Brown's a very good tackler, and has decent ball skills. He also has hands by stonehenge, but nobody's perfect. Don't go for Phillips, because the Eagles have bigger needs. The top priority should be getting a red zone threat for Donovan McNabb.

Sniper
03-21-2008, 05:52 PM
To get back on topic, Justice is still a good RT prospect. For some reason, the Eagles thought it would be a great idea to leave him on an island against one of the league's best defensive ends without TE/RB help. Great job.

The Eagles need to look at LT and keep Justice on the right side. And God I hope they don't take Cherilus. He's incredibly overrated IMO and a very likely bust.