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bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:05 PM
Haven't put one of these out in a while. This one actually took about two weeks, as I was doing it off and on. Since I put more thought into it, I'm expecting that most won't like it.;) I'll respond to any comments/question, though polite ones are more likely to get a thoughtful response.

1) Miami Dolphins- Chris Long, Hybrid 3-4, Virginia
2) St. Louis Rams- Vernon Gholston, Defensive End, Ohio State
3) Atlanta Falcons- Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
4) Oakland Raiders- Sedrick Ellis, Defensive Tackle, Southern Cal
5) Kansas City Chiefs- Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State
6) New York Jets- Darren McFadden, Runningback, Arkansas
7) New England Patriots- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State
8) Baltimore Ravens- Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College
9) Cincinnati Bengals- Glenn Dorsey, Defesive Tackle, Louisiana State
10) New Orleans Saints- Leodis McKelvin, Cornerback, Troy State
11) Buffalo Bills- Limas Sweed, Wide Receiver, Texas
12) Denver Broncos- Chris Williams, Offensive Tackle, Vanderbilt
13) Carolina Panthers- Phillip Merling, Defensive End, Clemson
14) Chicago Bears- Jeff Otah, Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh
15) Detroit Lions- Rashard Mendenhall, Runningback, Illinois
16) Arizona Cardinals- Mike Jenkins, Cornerback, South Florida
17) Minnesota Vikings- Derrick Harvey, Defensive End, Florida
18) Houston Texans- Keith Rivers, Outside Linebacker, Southern Cal
19) Philadelphia Eagles- Malcolm Kelly, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma
20) Tampa Bay Bucs- Desean Jackson, Wide Receiver, California
21) Washington Redskins- James Hardy, Wide Receiver, Indiana
22) Dallas Cowboys (f/Cle)- Jonathan Stewart, Runningback, Oregon
23) Pittsburgh Steelers- Branden Albert, Guard, Virginia
24) Tennessee Titans- Quentin Groves, Defensive End, Auburn
25) Seattle Seahawks- Devin Thomas, Wide Receiver, Michigan State
26) Jacksonville Jaguars- Kentwan Balmer, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
27) San Diego Chargers- Kenny Phillips, Safety, Miami
28) Dallas Cowboys- Aqib Talib, Cornerback, Kansas
29) San Fran 49’ers (f/Ind)- Gosder Cherilus, Offensive Tackle, Boston College
30) Green Bay Packers- Antoine Cason, Cornerback, Arizona
31) New York Giants- Reggie Smith, Defensive Back, Oklahoma

32) Miami Dolphins- Sam Baker, Offensive Tackle, Southern Cal
33) St. Louis Rams- Carl Nicks, Offensive Tackle, Nebraska
34) Atlanta Falcons (f/Oak)- Joe Flacco, Quarterback, Deleware
35) Kansas City Chiefs- Brandon Flowers, Cornerback, Virginia Tech
36) New York Jets- Tracy Porter, Cornerback, Indiana
37) Atlanta Falcons- Pat Sims, Defensive Tackle, Auburn
38) Baltimore Ravens- Early Doucett, Wide Receiver, Louisiana State
39) San Fran 49’ers- Cliff Avril, Outside Linebacker, Purdue
40) New Orleans Saints- Dan Conner, Outside Linebacker, Penn State
41) Buffalo Bills- Calais Campbell, Defensive End, Miami
42) Denver Broncos- Dre Moore, Defensive Tackle, Maryland
43) Carolina Panthers- DeJuan Morgan, Free Safety, North Carolina State
44) Chicago Bears- Brian Brohm, Quarterback, Louisville
45) Detroit Lions- Jerod Mayo, Linebacker, Tennessee
46) Cincinnati Bengals- Lawrence Jackson, Defensive End, Southern Cal
47) Minnesota Vikings- Chad Henne, Quarterback, Michigan
48) Atlanta Falcons (f/Hou)- Chilo Rachal, Guard, Southern Cal
49) Philadelphia Eagles- Erin Henderson, Linebacker, Maryland
50) Arizona Cardinals- Felix Jones, Runningback, Arkansas
51) Washington Redskins- Jason Jones, Defensive End, Eastern Michigan
52) Tampa Bay Bucs- Charles Godfrey, Cornerback, Iowa
53) Pittsburgh Steelers- Mario Manningham, Wide Receiver, Michigan
54) Tennessee Titans- Fred Davis, Tight End, Southern Cal
55) Seattle Seahawks- Dustin Keller, Tight End, Purdue
56) Green Bay Packers (f/Cle)- Heath Benedict, Offensive Line, Newberry
57) Miami Dolphins (f/SD)- Patrick Lee, Cornerback, Auburn
58) Jacksonville Jaguars- Chris Ellis, Defensive End, Virginia Tech
59) Indianapolis Colts- Phillip Wheeler, Linebacker, Georgia Tech
60) Green Bay Packers- Tavares Gooden, Linebacker, Miami
61) Dallas Cowboys- Andre Caldwell, Wide Receiver, Florida
62) New England Patriots- Cutis Lofton, Linebacker, Oklahoma
63) New York Giants- Marcus Howard, Outside Linebacker, Georgia

64) Miami Dolphins- Red Bryant, Nose Tackle, Texas A&M
65) St. Louis Rams- Eddie Royal, Wide Receiver, Virginia Tech
66) Kansas City Chiefs- Roy Schuening, Guard, Oregon State
67) Carolina Panthers (f/NYJ)- Andre Woodson, Quarterback, Kentucky
68) Atlanta Falcons- Jonathan Goff, Linebacker, Vanderbilt
69) New England Patriots- Shawn Crable, Linebacker, Michigan
70) San Fran 49’ers- Justin King, Cornerback, Penn State
71) Jacksonvile Jaguars (f/Buf)- Josh Barrett, Strong Safety, Arizona State
72) Buffalo Bills- Chevis Jackson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
73) Minnesota Vikings (f/Den)- Trevor Laws, Defensive Tackle, Notre Dame
74) Carolina Panthers- Anthony Collins, Offensive Tackle, Kansas
75) Chicago Bears- Chris Johnson, Runningback, East Carolina
76) Detroit Lions- Martellus Bennett, Tight End, Texas A&M
77) Cincinnati Bengals- Xavier Adibi, Linebacker, Virginia Tech
78) New Orleans Saints- Brad Cottom, Tight End, Tennessee
79) Houston Texans- Oniel Cousins, Offensive Tackle, UTEP
80) Philadelphia Eagles- Tom Zbikowski, Strong Safety, Notre Dame
81) Arizona Cardinals- Thomas Decoud, Free Safety, California
82) Minnesota Vikings- John Carlson, Tight End, Notre Dame
83) Tampa Bay Bucs- Tony Hills, Offensive Tackle, Texas
84) Washington Redskins- Tyrell Johnson, Safety, Arkansas State
85) Tennessee Titans- Earl Bennett, Wide Receiver, Vanderbilt
86) Seattle Seahawks- Eric Young, Guard, Tennessee
87) Detroit Lions (f/Cle)- Frank Okam, Defensive Tackle, Texas
88) Pittsburgh Steelers- Quintin Demps, Free Safety, UTEP
89) Jacksonville Jaguars- Dexter Jackson, Receiver/Returner, Appalachian State
90) Chicago Bears (f/SD)- Drew Radovich, Guard, Southern Cal
91) Green Bay Packers- Matt Forte, Runningback/Fullback, Tulane
92) Dallas Cowboys- Terrell Thomas, Cornerback, Southern Cal
93) Indianapolis Colts- Ray Rice, Runningback, Rutgers
94) New England Patriots- Jamaal Charles, Runningback, Texas
95) New York Giants- Jordy Nelson, Wide Receiver, Kansas State

BeerBaron
03-18-2008, 09:06 PM
good bears draft by me. with williams gone otah is ok by me.

brohm, nice.

johnson, good.

radovich, fine.

not bad

diabsoule
03-18-2008, 09:06 PM
The first two rounds for the Saints are fantastic.

I think that might be a little too high for Cottam and with Carlson still on the board I'd rather have him.

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 09:07 PM
This is a very interesting giants mock, im not disappointed. We kindof need a corner, and justin king would be a good pick in the 2nd (and a trade up for lofton would definately be possible). Nelson is a good player, 2nd and 3rd rounds interest me, but i know little about both.

Oh yea and i love reggie smith

BeerBaron
03-18-2008, 09:09 PM
i also like how you juuuuuuuust snuck jordy in, lol. nice

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:09 PM
Probably the most immaculate Saints draft I've ever seen.
That's suprising because as I recall you are in the Keith Rivers camp. I wouldn't be against Rivers, but I think if you need a starting corner that will always take precedence over a linebacker in a 4-3. Plus I like the McKelvin value better.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:10 PM
i also like how you juuuuuuuust snuck jordy in, lol. nice
It was either that or #1 to the Dolphins.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:11 PM
This is a very interesting giants mock, im not disappointed. We kindof need a corner, and justin king would be a good pick in the 2nd (and a trade up for lofton would definately be possible). Nelson is a good player, 2nd and 3rd rounds interest me, but i know little about both.

Oh yea and i love reggie smith

King is a possibility but I didn't want to go DB back to back. He is actually similar to Howard in that they are both workout warriors. Scott obviously isn't very high on Howard due to questions of scheme fit, but I think Spags could find ways to utilize him the same way they have with Kiwanuka and Tuck.

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 09:17 PM
King is a possibility but I didn't want to go DB back to back. He is actually similar to Howard in that they are both workout warriors. Scott obviously isn't very high on Howard due to questions of scheme fit, but I think Spags could find ways to utilize him the same way they have with Kiwanuka and Tuck.

thats why i find it so interesting, i dont know much about him but he looked great against hawaii. I dont really like King all too much, but think by my knowledge he's a safer pick. Nelson is alright, he could develop into a #1-#2 receiver maybe, but he really wouldnt have much playing time at all unless toomer retires now.

BeerBaron
03-18-2008, 09:18 PM
thats why i find it so interesting, i dont know much about him but he looked great against hawaii. I dont really like King all too much, but think by my knowledge he's a safer pick. Nelson is alright, he could develop into a #1-#2 receiver maybe, but he really wouldnt have much playing time at all unless toomer retires now.

king? justin king? a safe pick? im pretty sure hes one of those really risky boom or bust type guys. hes got mad physical skills but hes got issues...

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:21 PM
Nelson is alright, he could develop into a #1-#2 receiver maybe, but he really wouldnt have much playing time at all unless toomer retires now.
No probably not, but late 3rd round picks don't necessarily have to contribute much their rookie seasons anyway.

I had considered someone with more special teams potential (and likely would have taken Dexter Jackson had I not given him to the Jags a few picks earlier).

hugegmenfan
03-18-2008, 09:26 PM
very good giants draft...ya a corner would be nice as ballin72 stated because thats a position of need.

Bigburt63
03-18-2008, 09:27 PM
I like the patriots pick exept for DRC. lofton and crable are great pick ups, and as a longhorns fan I really like charles, but I feel as though Talib is a better fit for our defense. I know the value isnt there at 7 and would prefer a trade down, but the patriots have shown over the years that if a player is available that they like, they will put less emphasis on value. granted you did not put in any trades, but I could honestly see them draft him there if they could not trade down.

Packman1957
03-18-2008, 09:28 PM
Packers draft is alright I guess, not a big fan of the third round RB though. Don't see that happening. Only way we take a RB is if a really good one falls to us in the 1st, otherwise I doubt we go after one.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:30 PM
Packers draft is alright I guess, not a big fan of the third round RB though. Don't see that happening. Only way we take a RB is if a really good one falls to us in the 1st, otherwise I doubt we go after one.
I could already show you the quotes from McCarthy that indicates they have little confidence in Jackson as a #2 back. Not to mention they should be running the ball much more this year without Favre.

And Forte can play both positions. It's all about versatility.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:31 PM
I like the patriots pick exept for DRC. lofton and crable are great pick ups, and as a longhorns fan I really like charles, but I feel as though Talib is a better fit for our defense. I know the value isnt there at 7 and would prefer a trade down, but the patriots have shown over the years that if a player is available that they like, they will put less emphasis on value. granted you did not put in any trades, but I could honestly see them draft him there if they could not trade down.
I've seen this before. I don't follow the Pats much so feel free to elaborate why Talib would be a better fit. All I know about their corners is that they play a lot of off-man.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:32 PM
very good giants draft...ya a corner would be nice as ballin72 stated because thats a position of need.
Corey Webster be ballin' son.

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 09:33 PM
king? justin king? a safe pick? im pretty sure hes one of those really risky boom or bust type guys. hes got mad physical skills but hes got issues...

safer in the sense i actually know what im getting as oppose to a guy like howard which i know very little about

BaLLiN
03-18-2008, 09:34 PM
No probably not, but late 3rd round picks don't necessarily have to contribute much their rookie seasons anyway.

I had considered someone with more special teams potential (and likely would have taken Dexter Jackson had I not given him to the Jags a few picks earlier).

yea Jackson wouldve been a better pick

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 09:35 PM
Ah the Bengals draft... Glenn Dorsey is very nice and I'd be absolutely thrilled to have him a Bengal.

Then it goes a bit downhill, but it's not your fault, I'll explain.

Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd is a fine value, but a bad pick. The Bengals have two solid young starting DE's in Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom whom they are giving some nice money to. I fully expect them to add depth, which they do need there desperately, but it's unlikely they do that until at the earliest their Comp. pick in the 3rd.

Think offense there, perhaps a talented OLineman such as Gosder Cherilus (if he falls), perhaps Chilo Rachal. Maybe RB with Matt Forte, a power back to supplant Rudi Johnson who has worn down, become injury-prone, and clearly isn't the player he was in year's past. Perhaps a WR like Andre Caldwell, Eddie Royal, Dexter Jackson, someone who brings a bit of added value as a KR or PR. Sure, these could be considered reaches, but they'd be difference makers. More so than a defensive pick here. If the pick is defense (assuming DT was adressed in Round 1 like you have), don't think LB as there are none that really fit in this area, think CB. A guy like Tracy Porter, Patrick Lee, or Justin King would improve the team's depth at corner in this pass-happy league and ease the inevitable loss of Deltha O'Neal after the 2008-09 season.

Now, the third round. The position you've targeted may be right, but the player is off. Adibi would bring speed and quickness in a small package. Unfortunately, that's not the type of player new DC Mike Zimmer or new LB's Coach Jeff Fitzgerald likes. They both favor big, athletic LB's with upside. Stanford Keglar, Gary Guyton, and Ezra Butler all fall into this mix. Remember, Fitzgerald is the guy that developed Baltimore's LB's (Adalius Thomas, Bart Scott, Jarrett Johnson, etc.) Once again CB and WR seem very possible.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 09:38 PM
safer in the sense i actually know what im getting as oppose to a guy like howard which i know very little about

Eh, it's tough to know what you're getting in Justin King. He IS this year's boom or bust player. 1st Round physical skills with a 7th Round game. He was, simply put...not very good last year, to put it nicely. If a team takes Justin King, it likely won't be to play right away, the kid needs major polishing before someone throws him to the dogs. Excellent upside and probably worth a gamble late in the 2nd or 3rd.

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Ah the Bengals draft... Glenn Dorsey is very nice and I'd be absolutely thrilled to have him a Bengal.

Then it goes a bit downhill, but it's not your fault, I'll explain.

Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd is a fine value, but a bad pick. The Bengals have two solid young starting DE's in Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom whom they are giving some nice money to. I fully expect them to add depth, which they do need there desperately, but it's unlikely they do that until at the earliest their Comp. pick in the 3rd.

Think offense there, perhaps a talented OLineman such as Gosder Cherilus (if he falls), perhaps Chilo Rachal. Maybe RB with Matt Forte, a power back to supplant Rudi Johnson who has worn down, become injury-prone, and clearly isn't the player he was in year's past. Perhaps a WR like Andre Caldwell, Eddie Royal, Dexter Jackson, someone who brings a bit of added value as a KR or PR. Sure, these could be considered reaches, but they'd be difference makers. More so than a defensive pick here. If the pick is defense (assuming DT was adressed in Round 1 like you have), don't think LB as there are none that really fit in this area, think CB. A guy like Tracy Porter, Patrick Lee, or Justin King would improve the team's depth at corner in this pass-happy league and ease the inevitable loss of Deltha O'Neal after the 2008-09 season.

Now, the third round. The position you've targeted may be right, but the player is off. Adibi would bring speed and quickness in a small package. Unfortunately, that's not the type of player new DC Mike Zimmer or new LB's Coach Jeff Fitzgerald likes. They both favor big, athletic LB's with upside. Stanford Keglar, Gary Guyton, and Ezra Butler all fall into this mix. Remember, Fitzgerald is the guy that developed Baltimore's LB's (Adalius Thomas, Bart Scott, Jarrett Johnson, etc.) Once again CB and WR seem very possible.

Ah yes, I forgot about Zimmer.

Well I fundamentally disagree with your opinion that either Odom or Geathers are solid starters. Odom is being paid to do so, so that's what he is. Geathers is not a starter, he showed that last year.

I'd probably go with Forte or Jamaal Charles in the 3rd round now that I remember the new DC. I still think DE is a top need though.

On that note, are the Bengals done with both Perry and Kenny Irons? THey sure have spent a lot of early picks on runningback.

Bigburt63
03-18-2008, 09:47 PM
I've seen this before. I don't follow the Pats much so feel free to elaborate why Talib would be a better fit. All I know about their corners is that they play a lot of off-man.

Talib fits the mold of a corner in our defense very well. We play more of a zone coverage and Talib played most of that in college I believe. He likes to take risks by jumping routes and going for the pick, a la Asante Samuel. Also, he is a bigger corner which is the one thing that our defense has been missing for some time now, someone who can mathc up with bigger receivers.

defensiveback23
03-18-2008, 09:49 PM
Excellent selection for the Chargers. I still don't think Phillips lasts that long but I think he is the best player in the draft for the team.

regoob2
03-18-2008, 09:58 PM
Good bears mock, Id prefer Earl Bennett over Chris Johnson. Johnson would probably come in as our #4 back. Bennett could develop into a good slot guy imo.

SimonRath
03-18-2008, 09:58 PM
3) Atlanta Falcons- Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
**great pick. Jake Long is the guy i want**

34) Atlanta Falcons (f/Oak)- Joe Flacco, Quarterback, Deleware
**I'd want Brain Brohm here instead of Flacco**

37) Atlanta Falcons- Pat Sims, Defensive Tackle, Auburn
**nice pick i guess**

48) Atlanta Falcons (f/Hou)- Chilo Rachal, Guard, Southern Cal
*nah. Phillip Wheeler please**

68) Atlanta Falcons- Jonathan Goff, Linebacker, Vanderbilt
**highly doubt he falls this far. Red Bryant instead**

bearsfan_51
03-18-2008, 10:02 PM
3) Atlanta Falcons- Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
**great pick. Jake Long is the guy i want**

34) Atlanta Falcons (f/Oak)- Joe Flacco, Quarterback, Deleware
**I'd want Brain Brohm here instead of Flacco**

37) Atlanta Falcons- Pat Sims, Defensive Tackle, Auburn
**nice pick i guess**

48) Atlanta Falcons (f/Hou)- Chilo Rachal, Guard, Southern Cal
*nah. Phillip Wheeler please**

68) Atlanta Falcons- Jonathan Goff, Linebacker, Vanderbilt
**highly doubt he falls this far. Red Bryant instead**
At least look at the rest of the picks, Bryant isn't even available. If you'd take Bryant over Sims in the 2nd round I would strongly disagree.

And Wheeler doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as the Falcons need a middle linebacker, which he likely won't play in the pros.

You may want Brohm more than Flacco (can't say I blame you) but signs seem to be pointing to Flacco.

ThePudge
03-18-2008, 10:10 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about Zimmer.

Well I fundamentally disagree with your opinion that either Odom or Geathers are solid starters. Odom is being paid to do so, so that's what he is. Geathers is not a starter, he showed that last year.

I'd probably go with Forte or Jamaal Charles in the 3rd round now that I remember the new DC. I still think DE is a top need though.

On that note, are the Bengals done with both Perry and Kenny Irons? THey sure have spent a lot of early picks on runningback.

I would assume the Bengals are planning on just overhauling their RB core, getting younger and adding more talent/athleticism. Out with Rudi. I think if Forte was the pick you'd see a two back system with he and Irons getting the bulk of the carries and Chris Perry/Kenny Watson as the #3 back for now.

Zimmer came in and personally said Geathers was the team's best defensive player. Last year, Geathers was hurt by a combination of more attention and no interior pressure. He was forced to start at LB for a few games as well. His numbers were down, but he wasn't the problem. Jackson would provide no upgrade over Geathers. DE is a top need, but as I said, think depth, not starters. Fanene is a solid backup option, but Rucker is unproven. A guy such as Jeremy Thompson in the 3rd would help from a pass-rush standpoint and depth wise.

DragonMekha
03-18-2008, 10:38 PM
Personally I love the Eagles draft.Id be fine with the Malcolm Kelly pick.I love Erin Henderson but unfortunately i think we more need an OT there as its more of a need than LBer even after Takeo was canned.Im perfectly happy with Zbikowski as Safety is a need plus he has PR ability.Plus I like his demeanor.

cordscords
03-18-2008, 10:49 PM
Love the work you put into it. Outside of some personal preferences here is what I would have done for the Bills & Packers drafts.

Bills: Limas Sweed, Charles Godfrey, Martellus Bennett

Packers: Brandon Flowers, Xavier Adibi, Brad Cottam, Duane Brown

Geo
03-18-2008, 11:39 PM
Nice job, bud. I was looking forward to your next mock.

wrt to the Colts' pick, I wouldn't be disappointed if the Colts came away with those guys. Early for a LB, but Wheeler provides depth (upgrade?) at MIKE for Brackett, plus with his size can probably start at SAM for the Colts, which is good as Hagler is in a contract year. That versatility plus ST ability does so much for a roster. Ray Rice at the end of the third is stellar imo.

As for the likelihood:

(1) Again, the Colts under Dungy have never taken a LB higher than the end of the third round. They've shown some interest in Wheeler I believe though, and he's probably been passed up by Jerod Mayo as the Tampa 2 MIKE of choice for the Lions. He also ran a better time at his pro day, which helps I suppose.

(2) While I think the Colts aren't looking for a RB this early, and Chris Johnson doesn't fit the Polian formula, I think they'd immediately pull the trigger if he's there at the end of the second round. The 4.24 would speak too much to them, giving them a #2 back to pair with Addai, another weapon for Manning, a receiving option at RB other than Addai, plus very importantly, would additionally contribute as a dynamic return man they don't have. They wanted to draft Maurice Drew in 06 with the 2nd round pick, I'd think they grade Chris Johnson highly also and take him if he's available. Wouldn't surprise me if he's the 4th RB Polian was talking about at the Combine.

That said, I doubt Johnson reaches the pick. Maybe the neck scares other teams away, but I'm guessing a number of teams will overlook it when they are considering maybe the fastest-timed RB ever in the league.

thebow305
03-18-2008, 11:40 PM
Decent Phins draft.

johbur
03-19-2008, 02:04 AM
For GB, we disagree about the need to draft a running back, much less picking a FB in the first three rounds. The rest of the GB draft would greatly please me. Cason and Gooden would make me extremely happy on defense, Benedict is a bit big for a ZBS lineman, but he reportedly is very athletic, which is the most important aspect.

Overall, a nice three rounder. Good job. I like seeing Gholston go #2, DRC going t the Pats makes me vomit, but would be a great pick for them. I also like seeing Matt Ryan fall, as I just don't think any QB in this draft is top 5 material.

The Legend
03-19-2008, 02:21 AM
Good Ravens Draft
Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan
Baltimore Ravens - Early Doucett

Note Crazy About Packers Draft
Green Bay Packers - Reggie Smith Over Antoine Cason, Thou Im Ok With Cason
Green Bay Packers - Heath Benedict Great Pick
Green Bay Packers - Cutis Lofton & Marcus Howard Over Tavares Gooden
Green Bay Packers - Matt Forte Im Ok With It But Terrell Thomas Would Be Great

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 02:23 AM
Nice job, bud. I was looking forward to your next mock.

wrt to the Colts' pick, I wouldn't be disappointed if the Colts came away with those guys. Early for a LB, but Wheeler provides depth (upgrade?) at MIKE for Brackett, plus with his size can probably start at SAM for the Colts, which is good as Hagler is in a contract year. That versatility plus ST ability does so much for a roster. Ray Rice at the end of the third is stellar imo.

As for the likelihood:

(1) Again, the Colts under Dungy have never taken a LB higher than the end of the third round. They've shown some interest in Wheeler I believe though, and he's probably been passed up by Jerod Mayo as the Tampa 2 MIKE of choice for the Lions. He also ran a better time at his pro day, which helps I suppose.

(2) While I think the Colts aren't looking for a RB this early, and Chris Johnson doesn't fit the Polian formula, I think they'd immediately pull the trigger if he's there at the end of the second round. The 4.24 would speak too much to them, giving them a #2 back to pair with Addai, another weapon for Manning, a receiving option at RB other than Addai, plus very importantly, would additionally contribute as a dynamic return man they don't have. They wanted to draft Maurice Drew in 06 with the 2nd round pick, I'd think they grade Chris Johnson highly also and take him if he's available. Wouldn't surprise me if he's the 4th RB Polian was talking about at the Combine.

That said, I doubt Johnson reaches the pick. Maybe the neck scares other teams away, but I'm guessing a number of teams will overlook it when they are considering maybe the fastest-timed RB ever in the league.
Yeah I really considered Johnson for a long time for the Colts. There's likely too much runningback droppage overall (Rice and Charles at the tail end of the 3rd, Smith and Choice not at all), but there aren't a lot of teams with strong needs at the position.

And I would consider Wheeler an upgrade somewhere (likely MIKE). I wasn't considering him as a backup, as that would obviously be a bit early.

Thunder&Lightning
03-19-2008, 06:43 AM
nice chargers pick.

ancoin
03-19-2008, 07:12 AM
I like the vikings draft. :D good job

eaglesalltheway
03-19-2008, 07:22 AM
I really like your first and third round choices for the Eagles. WR is our biggest need and we could use a lot of help a Safety. LB is not that big of a need for the Eagles, and don't expect that position to be picked until the fifth round or so. OT Benedict or Collins would be better options in the second.

Finsfan79
03-19-2008, 07:55 AM
not a huge fan of the first pick for miami as I have said elsewhere I dont feel that he has the value or positional need for the dolphins to be worthy of the number 1 pick.


Gholston has the value of potential there because a rush OLB with his potential are rare
Jake Long gives you the biggest need of the elite talent in the draft. Giving us a strength with an oline of 2 very good tackles, a good young center and a nice guard. With a coach that is an Oline coach it would give us a strength to build around for the long term.

But Chris long is a leverage type player not really a great fit at the 3-4 OLB, and doesnt really have the size to be a perfect fit at the 3-4 DE. AT the same time a 3-4 DE is not good value at the number 1 overall pick in the draft. Specially for the type of money that would need to be spent there

For the rest of the fins draft, I dont mind baker, I am not a huge fan of him. I see him more as a right tackle on the next level.

I wouldnt mind seeing brohm, campbell, flowers there instead. If you want the DE in the draft campbell has the raw potential that I would love to see what Parcells could do with it. Brohm fills the need for potential QB (only 2 on the roster right now), and flowers is a nice CB pick up for a position of major need. I wouldnt mind a guard there either of course as more oline the better for solidifying a strength on the team.

I like the lee pick at the end of the 2nd rounder. I like the bryant pick in the 3rd but I wouldnt mind Goff or Schuening there either.

My idea picks for your draft would of been:
Jake long
Brian Brohm
Curtis Lofton
Red Bryant

I feel this fills needs on the team for the Dline, MLB opening with the loss of Zach, A potential star at the QB spot that seems imo to be under-rated in this draft opposed to the over-rated ryan and a stud left tackle that could be a major impact for the next decade.

Mr. Myogi
03-19-2008, 08:52 AM
Nice FALCONS Mock!

SimonRath
03-19-2008, 08:59 AM
At least look at the rest of the picks, Bryant isn't even available. If you'd take Bryant over Sims in the 2nd round I would strongly disagree.

And Wheeler doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as the Falcons need a middle linebacker, which he likely won't play in the pros.

You may want Brohm more than Flacco (can't say I blame you) but signs seem to be pointing to Flacco.

you dont think wheeler could play MLB?

Addict
03-19-2008, 09:36 AM
Mendenhall/Mayo is great for the first two rounds, however I'm not sure about the third round. It would seem to me we still need OL, DE and a CB in that round, and as muc as a tight end would help, I think it's a luxury pick we cannot afford yet. Okam is a guy I don't know much about so I won't question the pick.

21ST
03-19-2008, 10:27 AM
Frank Okam in the 3rd and its money for the skins

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 11:00 AM
Mendenhall/Mayo is great for the first two rounds, however I'm not sure about the third round. It would seem to me we still need OL, DE and a CB in that round, and as muc as a tight end would help, I think it's a luxury pick we cannot afford yet. Okam is a guy I don't know much about so I won't question the pick.

If you believe that Lions FO they are going to go with George Foster again. Could just be a smoke screen of course.

I actually think the Lions stand pat with DE. They've spent a few picks there recently, and obviously have more holes to fill than picks.

Addict
03-19-2008, 11:12 AM
If you believe that Lions FO they are going to go with George Foster again. Could just be a smoke screen of course.

I actually think the Lions stand pat with DE. They've spent a few picks there recently, and obviously have more holes to fill than picks.

They can't be happy about Foster, and might just use him as a stop-gap for an eventual 3rd round OL rookie, to groom for a year, but yes, the new contract does indicate he's the guy for now.

We can agree without a doubt that we have many more holes than picks (let alone the fact we haven't gotten anyone from the late rounds in years).

Cashmoney
03-19-2008, 11:24 AM
Loving the Titans draft, I mean EB in the third? Steal of the draft right there.

Dr. Gonzo
03-19-2008, 11:34 AM
Can't argue with your picks. Great Vikings mock. The only thing would change personally is taking Erin Henderson with our 2nd rounder but that is because I am not really a Henne fan and I would rather wait and go after Woodson or JDB.

Geo
03-19-2008, 11:39 AM
Loving the Titans draft, I mean EB in the third? Steal of the draft right there.
That's horrible! Then the Titans will actually have a great receiver on their team. We need to sabotage this to preserve the space/time continuum.

;)

BeerBaron
03-19-2008, 11:48 AM
That's horrible! Then the Titans will actually have a great receiver on their team. We need to sabotage this to preserve the space/time continuum.

;)

lol, i think your colts logo there was doing most of the talking....

Cashmoney
03-19-2008, 12:10 PM
That's horrible! Then the Titans will actually have a great receiver on their team. We need to sabotage this to preserve the space/time continuum.

;)

Yup, were gonna bring in Derrick Mason 2.0 so we can once again wreak havoc in the AFC south!

Geo
03-19-2008, 12:13 PM
I like EB more than I liked Mason. Earl is a true pearl.

We're not so different, you and me.

art vandelay
03-19-2008, 12:21 PM
Sweed is a pretty good pick - although I still am wary of his wrist injury. I'd prefer Devin Thomas there. Not crazy about Campbell in the 2nd. He just doesn't have that explosion that we need off the edge. Love Chevis in the 3rd. I'd give that draft a B.

Cashmoney
03-19-2008, 12:22 PM
I like EB more than I liked Mason. Earl is a true pearl.

We're not so different, you and me.

I am speechless. I'm without speech.

Vikes99ej
03-19-2008, 01:25 PM
Best Vikings mock I have seen so far. Dead honest. I don't know if Laws will fall that far, but I'd be elated to have him back up Kevin and Pat.

619
03-19-2008, 01:29 PM
Ellis at NT for the Raiders is a waste! Well, with most of our draft targets off the board McFadden or Clady would be the next options imo.

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Ellis at NT for the Raiders is a waste! Well, with most of our draft targets off the board McFadden or Clady would be the next options imo.
Ellis can play both positions, and he can play both of them better than anyone currently on the Raiders. I fail to see how that is a waste.

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 01:34 PM
On the Earl Bennett tip, I'm a bigger fan than most as well. That said, he doesn't have elite speed or size, which will probably put him in the early 3rd at best. Unfortunately just being a good receiver isn't enough anymore.

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Can't argue with your picks. Great Vikings mock. The only thing would change personally is taking Erin Henderson with our 2nd rounder but that is because I am not really a Henne fan and I would rather wait and go after Woodson or JDB.

Unless Childress totally changes his offense, Woodson would be a total flop there. There's a reason they traded Culpepper, besides the fact that he was overrated.

JBD is an option, but I'm basing the early QB pick off the fact they went after Sage Rosenfels. Obviously they aren't sold on Tavaris as their starting QB, nor should they be.

Vikes99ej
03-19-2008, 01:52 PM
Can't argue with your picks. Great Vikings mock. The only thing would change personally is taking Erin Henderson with our 2nd rounder but that is because I am not really a Henne fan and I would rather wait and go after Woodson or JDB.

Why do we need Erin Henderson, besides the fact his brother is on our team?

Geo
03-19-2008, 01:53 PM
On the Earl Bennett tip, I'm a bigger fan than most as well. That said, he doesn't have elite speed or size, which will probably put him in the early 3rd at best. Unfortunately just being a good receiver isn't enough anymore.
I don't know, the Giants picked up Steve Smith in the 2nd round last year. You can debate if Anthony Gonzalez has elite speed, but the Colts took him at #32. Did Reggie Wayne have elite attributes? Sometimes a great pro prospect is he who he is.

This year isn't as top heavy as last year, but the top tiers are pretty deep. Probably better than last year in that regard, so maybe EB does fall a bit. I think whoever gets him is getting an excellent receiver.

Fellow top-notch receiver from the SEC in Keenan Burton is also flying under the radar a bit imo.

fenikz
03-19-2008, 02:02 PM
Great Cardinals draft, Jenkins is the #2 CB on my bb for the Cards, a great value pick as well. Jones is a huge steal in the mid 2nd, he will be an excellent compliment to Edge and he should be what Arrington was supposed to. DeCoud is also a good pick in the 3rd, if the Rolle experiment at FS doesn't work I think that he is a very capable safety, a 3-4 OLB would work there too

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 02:07 PM
I don't know, the Giants picked up Steve Smith in the 2nd round last year. You can debate if Anthony Gonzalez has elite speed, but the Colts took him at #32. Did Reggie Wayne have elite attributes? Sometimes a great pro prospect is he who he is.

This year isn't as top heavy as last year, but the top tiers are pretty deep. Probably better than last year in that regard, so maybe EB does fall a bit. I think whoever gets him is getting an excellent receiver.

Fellow top-notch receiver from the SEC in Keenan Burton is also flying under the radar a bit imo.
Ok replace elite, with good. Bennett doesn't really have good attributes either, if you just look at his from that regard. He reminds me of Marty Booker in a lot of ways, but not as big.

Dr. Gonzo
03-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Why do we need Erin Henderson, besides the fact his brother is on our team?

I think we would be great to groom behind Ben Leber and ultimatly take over. I think he would be a great addition to our team. That and his brother is with us.

SaintsFanForLife
03-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Best Saints mock I have seen in a while..I like every pick.

SmarterThanU
03-19-2008, 05:38 PM
23) Pittsburgh Steelers- Branden Albert, Guard, Virginia

Popular pick.

53) Pittsburgh Steelers- Mario Manningham, Wide Receiver, Michigan

The Steelers aren't in real big need of a wide receiver. Ward, Holmes, Washington. And they even picked up Jeremy Bloom fro a shot at the #4 spot and as a return guy. So if they go receiver he better be a bigger receiver like Roethlisberger said he wanted.

Heath Benedict, Patrick Lee, Cutis Lofton, Phillip Wheeler, Marcus Howard, Shawn Crable, and I really would love to get Trever Laws DL Notre Dame there.

88) Pittsburgh Steelers- Quintin Demps, Free Safety, UTEP

Not bad. I also like JOrdey Nelson from Kansas St. there.

vidae
03-19-2008, 05:44 PM
I like the Chiefs draft. Good offensive lineman and a CB that could start next year.

I'm not too high on reaching for Clady, but he has a ton of potential and could very well start at LT for us, so I can't complain about that pick too much.

Good job. :)

bored of education
03-19-2008, 05:48 PM
/\ I was going to say something along those lines as well. nice draft bf-51

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Popular pick.



The Steelers aren't in real big need of a wide receiver. Ward, Holmes, Washington. And they even picked up Jeremy Bloom fro a shot at the #4 spot and as a return guy. So if they go receiver he better be a bigger receiver like Roethlisberger said he wanted.

Heath Benedict, Patrick Lee, Cutis Lofton, Phillip Wheeler, Marcus Howard, Shawn Crable, and I really would love to get Trever Laws DL Notre Dame there.



Not bad. I also like JOrdey Nelson from Kansas St. there.
So you don't like the Steelers taking a receiver in the 2nd round because it's not a need, but you like one in the 3rd round? That makes sense.

And there is a need, Hines Ward is a shell of his former self. I'm actually a really big fan of Santonio, but they are going to need someone opposite him.

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 05:53 PM
I like the Chiefs draft. Good offensive lineman and a CB that could start next year.

I'm not too high on reaching for Clady, but he has a ton of potential and could very well start at LT for us, so I can't complain about that pick too much.

Good job. :)

It was either that or Matt Ryan, so I'm guessing you'd prefer that.;)

vidae
03-19-2008, 06:15 PM
It was either that or Matt Ryan, so I'm guessing you'd prefer that.

Haha, yeah I think I would. I'm not sure the other Chiefs fans on these boards would agree though!

scottyboy
03-19-2008, 06:17 PM
lovin the giants first 2 rounds, but despise you for giving us "teh jordyzzzz".

why? becuz its teh jordyzzz and i just dont know what i'd do. we'd be ripped on NFLDC til the end of time...

Bills2083
03-19-2008, 07:00 PM
The Bills need to get a TE in there somewhere.
I'd rather go with Patrick Lee in round 2, and John Carlson in round 3.

CB, WR, and TE are all larger needs than DE.

diabsoule
03-19-2008, 07:33 PM
That's suprising because as I recall you are in the Keith Rivers camp. I wouldn't be against Rivers, but I think if you need a starting corner that will always take precedence over a linebacker in a 4-3. Plus I like the McKelvin value better.

I am in the Rivers camp but if McKelvin were to fall to us I'd rather take him. Plus, getting Conner in the 2nd is a dream come true as far as I'm concerned since I like him better than Rivers.

toddmlazarchick
03-19-2008, 08:58 PM
skins mock is horrible

Hardy - TOO early
Jones - is horrible
Jackson - ehhh decent

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 10:03 PM
The Bills need to get a TE in there somewhere.
I'd rather go with Patrick Lee in round 2, and John Carlson in round 3.

CB, WR, and TE are all larger needs than DE.
I'm not sure TE is ever really a NEED position, not to mention that Sweed operates as a possession receiver.

On the topic of DE, you run the Tampa 2 and have no elite passrushers. I'd say that's a pretty significant need.

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 10:05 PM
skins mock is horrible

Hardy - TOO early
Jones - is horrible
Jackson - ehhh decent
Thanks for your inciteful commentary. I'm sure you've seen plenty of Eastern Michigan football to declare that Jason Jones is indeed, a horrible football player. I would ask for your opinion on better options, but I don't really care.

JagHombre22
03-19-2008, 11:27 PM
excellent Jags draft sir...never a bad day when you get a stud DT, stud DE and stud KR with four picks...

bearsfan_51
03-19-2008, 11:30 PM
excellent Jags draft sir...never a bad day when you get a stud DT, stud DE and stud KR with four picks...
I questioned the returner thing for a while, as I didn't know what the Jags longterm plans were there. Namely if they were phasing MJD out.

SmarterThanU
03-20-2008, 02:29 PM
So you don't like the Steelers taking a receiver in the 2nd round because it's not a need, but you like one in the 3rd round? That makes sense.

And there is a need, Hines Ward is a shell of his former self. I'm actually a really big fan of Santonio, but they are going to need someone opposite him.

Are you mentally challenged or just that stupid. I said there isn't a real need for receiver BUT IF THEY DID he better be a bigger receiver the way Roethlisberger wanted. Jordy Nelson 6-3 217lbs Mario Manningham under 6 foot and 182lbs.

Ward had an off season due to missing three games. If not he notches a thousand yard season. I'm not saying I would be upset at the Steelers for drafting a receiver since Ward is 32 and skills and games played will inevitably decrease. But as is he is still the #1 receiver and is far from your so called "shell of his former self" we have time to either develope a later round pick or wait until O-line and D-line aren't so glaring of needs and maybe in a year or two spend a first round pick on receiver.

O-line and D-line are two spots the Steelers need to get younger at. So Albert and Trever Laws, who exploded onto the scene in the 3-4 defense, would just fill much bigger needs. With those needs filled, WR, FS, OLB, ILB, RB or even a OT would all be acceptable picks. So if James Hardy falls to the second round I would be okay with that pick. Otherwise Laws seems to be the logical pick. Manningham at that point fills no immediate need and would be a luxury pick.

stl9erfan
03-20-2008, 02:32 PM
In round 3, I'd rather have the 49ers take Trevor Laws or Dexter Jackson. Otherwise, very good SF draft.

art vandelay
03-20-2008, 03:10 PM
I'm not sure TE is ever really a NEED position, not to mention that Sweed operates as a possession receiver.

On the topic of DE, you run the Tampa 2 and have no elite passrushers. I'd say that's a pretty significant need.

I agree with this. However, Schobel is very good and some might call him elite. However, as I stated earlier, Campbell doesn't us that explosive pass-rushing ability. A guy like Chris Ellis in Round 3 or 4 would be better. Ideal fit would be Derrick Harvey at #11, IMO.

rickscott
03-20-2008, 06:07 PM
Bengals get Dorsey, I'd love to follow that with Trevor Laws in rd 2 and Matt Forte in rd 3.

BeerBaron
03-20-2008, 06:11 PM
Are you mentally challenged or just that stupid. I

whoaaaaa.....now im going to stop ya there. i know ive disagreed with BF51 before but the guy seems to know his stuff. theres no need for insults....

Geo
03-20-2008, 06:37 PM
Personal attacks and insult are not smart. They are bad.

TitanHope
03-21-2008, 02:05 AM
For the Titans...

Isn't Quentin Groves going to play OLB in the pros? I thought he was even doing some drills at OLB for NFL Scouts. Am I wrong about this? And even so, Groves' size may be an issue. He'd be a strict rotational guy. Currently, it seems that Jevon Kearse and Bryce Fisher would be the LE's if the season started today, and neither of them are quality run-stuffers either. It just seems like a bad fit to me.

A week ago, Fred Davis would be a great pick. But, we now have 3 TE's on the roster after signing the almighty Dwayne Blakely to be our 3rd TE. So we now have a good starter in Crumpler, a good back-up in Scaife, and a solid #3 who has shown potential. By signing two TE's in FA, it would seem that the Titans FO isn't leaning towards drafting a TE.

Earl Bennet is an absolute steal. I could kiss you, and take you in a manly fashion right now...but I won't. Nice pick though!

Anyway...DE in the 1st is the right direction. Groves just doesn't fit us. But, with no WR or other DE value, it looks like Talib or Balmer may be better fits. In the 2nd, Chris Ellis and Trevor Laws would be good additions to the DL. Earl Bennet in the 3rd is beautiful.

LonghornsLegend
03-21-2008, 02:57 AM
Whats your reasoning for giving Dallas Stewart? Im pretty sure we want another rb that isnt like Barber and contrast a little more...If we stick with Barber for another 3-4 years I doubt we have another back in there who is very similiar, we need a homerun threat at rb, someone who can break off 60 yd runs at any point with elite speed or some serious explosiveness, thats not Stewarts forte'....I could buy Mendenhall there because he could fit that bill, but I dont think we even look Stewarts way, because I dont see any scenario that would have us letting Barber go for him.

Rest of the mock fit well and I liked those picks, wouldnt be opposed to two corners so early either because we seriously need some new bodies in there...Just dont agree with the rb pick, we would probably jump on a speedster in round 2.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2008, 09:44 AM
Whats your reasoning for giving Dallas Stewart? Im pretty sure we want another rb that isnt like Barber and contrast a little more...If we stick with Barber for another 3-4 years I doubt we have another back in there who is very similiar, we need a homerun threat at rb, someone who can break off 60 yd runs at any point with elite speed or some serious explosiveness, thats not Stewarts forte'....I could buy Mendenhall there because he could fit that bill, but I dont think we even look Stewarts way, because I dont see any scenario that would have us letting Barber go for him.

Rest of the mock fit well and I liked those picks, wouldnt be opposed to two corners so early either because we seriously need some new bodies in there...Just dont agree with the rb pick, we would probably jump on a speedster in round 2.

Honestly my reasoning is pure value. I agree that while Stewart doesn't provide the best contrast to Barber, he's simply so much more valuable at 22 than any other runningback you're going to get at any other pick. Stewart would start over Barber, I don't think there's any question about that, and that's probably an ideal situation for the Cowboys.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2008, 09:45 AM
For the Titans...

Isn't Quentin Groves going to play OLB in the pros? I thought he was even doing some drills at OLB for NFL Scouts. Am I wrong about this? And even so, Groves' size may be an issue. He'd be a strict rotational guy. Currently, it seems that Jevon Kearse and Bryce Fisher would be the LE's if the season started today, and neither of them are quality run-stuffers either. It just seems like a bad fit to me.

A week ago, Fred Davis would be a great pick. But, we now have 3 TE's on the roster after signing the almighty Dwayne Blakely to be our 3rd TE. So we now have a good starter in Crumpler, a good back-up in Scaife, and a solid #3 who has shown potential. By signing two TE's in FA, it would seem that the Titans FO isn't leaning towards drafting a TE.

Earl Bennet is an absolute steal. I could kiss you, and take you in a manly fashion right now...but I won't. Nice pick though!

Anyway...DE in the 1st is the right direction. Groves just doesn't fit us. But, with no WR or other DE value, it looks like Talib or Balmer may be better fits. In the 2nd, Chris Ellis and Trevor Laws would be good additions to the DL. Earl Bennet in the 3rd is beautiful.
Groves can play up or down. He's probably best suited as a 3-4 OLB, but he can play DE. I think he would be perfect to replace Antwan Odom, which is why I made the pick.

I just personally don't think that Crumpler and Scaife is anything to feel that comfortable with. Crumpler got cut from the worst team in the NFL, just keep that in mind. You're probably right that it does indicate something though.

Thanks for the comments.

Crazy_Chris
03-21-2008, 10:34 AM
Nice work, the Vikings picks are great.

SmarterThanU
03-21-2008, 12:56 PM
whoaaaaa.....now im going to stop ya there. i know ive disagreed with BF51 before but the guy seems to know his stuff. theres no need for insults....

Go eat some Polish Sausage with him then. He obviously doesn't know anything about the Steelers and challenged my knowledge.

Mind you this is all I said to him about his Steelers part of the mock draft. Nothing insulting at all.

Quote:
23) Pittsburgh Steelers- Branden Albert, Guard, Virginia

Popular pick.


Quote:
53) Pittsburgh Steelers- Mario Manningham, Wide Receiver, Michigan

The Steelers aren't in real big need of a wide receiver. Ward, Holmes, Washington. And they even picked up Jeremy Bloom fro a shot at the #4 spot and as a return guy. So if they go receiver he better be a bigger receiver like Roethlisberger said he wanted.

Heath Benedict, Patrick Lee, Cutis Lofton, Phillip Wheeler, Marcus Howard, Shawn Crable, and I really would love to get Trever Laws DL Notre Dame there.


Quote:
88) Pittsburgh Steelers- Quintin Demps, Free Safety, UTEP

Not bad. I also like JOrdey Nelson from Kansas St. there.

Turtlepower
03-21-2008, 12:59 PM
You really think Laws will fall to the 3rd round? Wouldn't he be a nice pick-up for the Giants in the 2nd?

SmarterThanU
03-21-2008, 01:00 PM
And then the big cry baby put an infraction on my account. Whah, Whah, WHah I cant stand someone disagreeing with me and making a SUGGESTION. Whah, whah, whah, how can someone do that you know the freedom of speech is not in our constitution. Whah, WHah, Whah, everyone is supposed to agree with me and take what I say as fact, whah, whah, whah!

D-Rod
03-21-2008, 01:00 PM
Good Falcons draft, but with HAll gone we´ll probably need a corner on the first day. I´d sub in Godfray for Rachal at #47.

ironman4579
03-21-2008, 01:54 PM
And then the big cry baby put an infraction on my account. Whah, Whah, WHah I cant stand someone disagreeing with me and making a SUGGESTION. Whah, whah, whah, how can someone do that you know the freedom of speech is not in our constitution. Whah, WHah, Whah, everyone is supposed to agree with me and take what I say as fact, whah, whah, whah!

You really don't understand do you? It's for a personal attack, not for disagreeing. And I hate to tell you, freedom of speech doesn't apply on an internet forum.

SmarterThanU
03-21-2008, 02:13 PM
You really don't understand do you? It's for a personal attack, not for disagreeing. And I hate to tell you, freedom of speech doesn't apply on an internet forum.

Believe it or not Freedom of Speech has been around longer than the internet and will be around after the internet and applies to the internet.

I just hate these power trip moderators that can't stand when someone disagrees or challenges them. It's like having a fight with a two year old.

ironman4579
03-21-2008, 02:18 PM
Believe it or not Freedom of Speech has been around longer than the internet and will be around after the internet and applies to the internet.

I just hate these power trip moderators that can't stand when someone disagrees or challenges them. It's like having a fight with a two year old.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to someone elses website. That's why you can't talk politics here. Every website has the right to monitor comments posted on their website. And again, despite what you want to believe, you were given an infraction for being insulting and personally attacking someone. Regardless of if it was a mod you attacked or not, you still would have received an infraction from one mod or the other.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2008, 03:07 PM
Believe it or not Freedom of Speech has been around longer than the internet and will be around after the internet and applies to the internet.

I just hate these power trip moderators that can't stand when someone disagrees or challenges them. It's like having a fight with a two year old.

Enjoy your suspension. Don't post in my threads again.

And for the record, not that it wasn't pretty obvious, but I infracted him for blatant name calling as others have pointed out. That's a violation that I hand out to everyone that does so, not just to people that call me or other mods names. I'll even accept, "that opinion is dumb", 99% of the time, but to call out someone's intelligence is both a waste of time and a lame argument.

bearsfan_51
03-21-2008, 03:11 PM
Oh...and if you want freedom of speech, join the ACLU or a protest rally. This is a website, owned by Scott, not a democracy. It's a dictatorship and we are his loyal minions. Get used to it.

SFbear
03-21-2008, 03:45 PM
Oh...and if you want freedom of speech, join the ACLU or a protest rally. This is a website, owned by Scott, not a democracy. It's a dictatorship and we are his loyal minions. Get used to it.

I for one welcome our new Draftguru overlords...

Jakey
03-21-2008, 03:48 PM
My god! I think he is a Steelers fan aswell :rolleyes:

It seems as if Steelers fans are either loved or hated...i.e. JBond and HinesWardJr...then Darnik, Man of Steel and this douche.

Jakey
03-21-2008, 03:51 PM
p.s. I love the Steelers 1st two picks...but the 3rd is abit meh. Anthony Smith might have been in the dog house last season, but he still made enough plays and showed enough potential to be a starter. The only reason we will draft a safety is to add depth...and frankly i think the 3rd is a tad early for that.

SpottedCow
03-21-2008, 04:10 PM
This could very well be the most unoriginal mock with only original picks being very very bad.

BeerBaron
03-21-2008, 04:10 PM
This could very well be the most unoriginal mock with only original picks being very very bad.

well...offer some suggestions for making it better or something

bearsfan_51
03-21-2008, 06:10 PM
This could very well be the most unoriginal mock with only original picks being very very bad.
I don't really go for originality. People that try to be "original" in making mocks usually just end up making off-the-wall choices to be different. Who does that benefit other than the mock maker's ego? I try to make mocks that make sense and project value/need. I make my own personal projections when I disagree with mainstream opinion, but the reality is that 9/10 the value will end up being within a round or a round and a half of where it's projected. The draft is highly scouted enough that the only people that are really off-the-wall are either trying to get attention, or just end up making stupid choices.

I would also add, for example, that where I have the 2nd tier runningbacks is pretty out of the mainstream. I don't think most people have Charles, Rice, Smith, Forte, and Choice all falling outside the top 90 picks.

Bobo
03-21-2008, 06:47 PM
I'd take that Titans draft. Groves could give us back some pass rush we lost in FA.

Fred Davis is the top TE imo. We did just sign Crumpler, but he's old and has injury concerns. Maybe more of a pick for the future than right away, but that's fine with me. OTOH, DT is a need, so I may have gone Laws or Bryant.

Bennett in the 3rd is a steal. Maybe not the speed on offense we need, but a great value and one of my favorite WR's.

xooberon
03-22-2008, 05:56 AM
1) Philip Merling - Good pick
2) DaJuan Morgan - Good pick
3a) Andre Woodson - Bad pick we already have 2 development prospects on the roster with Moore and Basanez. DT is a far bigger need and Trevor Laws would be perfect.
3b) Anthony Collins - Good pick

YoJoeBucsFan
03-22-2008, 08:02 AM
No thanks to another offensive lineman.

proshoota25
03-23-2008, 07:50 PM
amazing patriots draft..... but im not sure if DRC would fit in with the pats scheme....

bearsfan_51
03-23-2008, 09:51 PM
amazing patriots draft..... but im not sure if DRC would fit in with the pats scheme....
Yeah I discussed that earlier with someone that would have preferred Talib. I'm not too familiar with how the Pats operate their secondary, but it seems like a lot of off the ball, zone play, which I think he could do well in. He's certainly got good closing and ball skills.

Matthew Jones
03-24-2008, 07:33 AM
Don't like the Rodgers-Cromartie pick but I like all the rest of the Patriots' picks pretty well.