View Full Version : Mock of all Ages...3/22/08

03-22-2008, 03:10 PM
seeing how we are now about a month away from the actual draft in April...I will do a 5 revision mock...this being the first...every week I will post a new one with updated picks and maybe even a few trades...I will also be using your feedback in my revisions, because, ultimately, I am a man of the people...

1) Miami Dolphins- Chris Long, DE, Virginia
2) St. Louis Rams- Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, OSU
3) Atlanta Falcons- Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
4) Oakland Raiders- Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5) Kansas City Chiefs- Jake Long, OT, Michigan
6) New York Jets- Mike Jenkins, CB, USF
7) New England Patriots- Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
8) Baltimore Ravens- Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
9) Cincinnati Bengals- Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
10) New Orleans Saints- Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
11) Buffalo Bills- Kieth Rivers, OLB, USC
12) Denver Broncos- Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
13) Carolina Panthers- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
14) Chicago Bears- Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
15) Detroit Lions- Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
16) Arizona Cardinals- Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
17) Minnesota Vikings- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
18) Houston Texans- Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
19) Philadelphia Eagles- Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- DeSean Jackson, WR, California
21) Washington Redskins- Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
22) Dallas Cowboys- Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
23) Pittsburgh Steelers- James Hardy, WR, Indiana
24) Tennessee Titans- Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
25) Seattle Seahawks- Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
26) Jacksonville Jaguars- Kentwan Balmer, DT, UNC
27) San Diego Chargers- Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
28) Dallas Cowboys- Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
29) San Francisco 49ers- Quentin Groves, OLB, Auburn
30) Green Bay Packers- Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
31) New York Giants- Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL.)

32) Miami Dolphins- Justin King, CB, Penn State
33) St. Louis Rams- Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
34) Atlanta Falcons (f/ Oakland)- Sam Baker, OT, USC
35) Kansas City Chiefs- Dan Conner, ILB, Penn State
36) New York Jets- Early Doucet, WR, LSU
37) Atlanta Falcons- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
38) Baltimore Ravens- Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
39) San Francisco 49ers- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
40) New Orleans Saints- Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virgina Tech
41) Buffalo Bills- Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
42) Denver Broncos- Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
43) Carolina Panthers- Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma
44) Chicago Bears- Joe Flacco, QB, Deleware
45) Detroit Lions- Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
46) Cincinnati Bengals- Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
47) Minnesota Vikings- Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
48) Atlanta Falcons (f/ Texans)- Jered Mayo, ILB, Tennessee
49) Philadelphia Eagles- Cliff Avril, OLB, Purdue
50) Arizona Cardinals- Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
51) Washington Redskins- Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (FL.)
52) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
53) Pittsburgh Steelers- Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon State
54) Tennessee Titans- Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
55) Seattle Seahawks- Fred Davis, TE, USC
56) Green Bay Packers (f/ Cleveland)- DaJuan Morgan, S, NC State
57) Miami Dolphins (f/ San Diego)- Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
58) Jacksonville Jaguars- Tyrell Johnson, SS, Arkansas State
59) Indianapolis Colts- Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma
60) Green Bay Packers- Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
61) Dallas Cowboys- Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
62) New England Patriots- Erin Henderson, OLB, Maryland
63) New York Giants- Marcus Howard, OLB, Georgia

64) Miami Dolphins- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
65) St. Louis Rams- Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
66) Kansas City Chiefs- Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
67) Carolina Panthers (f/ Jets)- John Johnson, QB, San Diego State
68) Atlanta Falcons- Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
69) New England Patriots (f/ Oakland)- Phillip Wheeler, ILB, Georgia Tech
70) San Francisco 49ers- John Greco, OT, Toledo
71) Buffalo Bills (f/ Baltimore)- Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
72) Jacksonville Jaguars (f/ Buffalo)- Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
73) Minnesota Vikings (f/ Broncos)- Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
74) Carolina Panthers- Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
75) Chicago Bears- Oniel Cousins, OT, Texas El-Paso
76) Detroit Lions- Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
77) Cincinnati Bengals- Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
78) New Orleans Saints- Mike Pollak, C, Arizona State
79) Houston Texans- Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
80) Philadelphia Eagles- Heath Benedict, OG, Newberry
81) Arizona Cardinals- Matt Forte, RB, Tulane
82) Minnesota Vikings- Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
83) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
84) Washington Redskins- Quintin Demps, FS, Texas El-Paso
85) Tennessee Titans- Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa State
86) Seattle Seahawks- Mike McGlynn, OG, Pittsburgh
87) Detroit Lions (f/ Browns)- John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
88) Pittsburgh Steelers- Tony Hills, OT, Texas
89) Jacksonville Jaguars- Darrell Robertson, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech
90) Chicago Bears (f/ San Diego)- Eddie Royal, WR, Virginia Tech
91) Green Bay Packers- Demario Pressley, DT, NC State
92) Dallas Cowboys- John David Booty, QB, USC
93) Indianapolis Colts- Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas
94) New England Patriots- Jeremy Zuttah, OT, Rutgers
95) New York Giants- Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

03-22-2008, 03:17 PM
hmm....alright bears mock

mendenhall is a good backup choice if chris williams isnt there. so ok there.

flacco though...i mean, alright, QB is a need but we HAVE TO have a RT at least, preferably someone with long term LT potential. personally id rather the pick be nicks here and get a QB later or <gasp> give rexy and KO a year and if theyre terrible, we can just grab a QB at the top of the draft next year, lol.

for cousins - see flacco

and royal....eh. i believe jerome simpson and adrian arrington are still available. can't beat what they bring to the table.

03-22-2008, 03:21 PM
I don't know if Flacco lasts until the third but your feedback will be taken into consideration...thanks!

03-22-2008, 03:22 PM
I don't know if Flacco lasts until the third but your feedback will be taken into consideration...thanks!

oh i know flacco wouldnt last that long, the QB doesnt have to be flacco. just please god not chad henne...

id even be willing to go for JDB or ainge in the later rounds too if the values not there

03-22-2008, 03:32 PM
I don't think cb's will go 6,7 and 8. You are over-rating them. I'd be willing to bet in the history of the draft there haven't been 3 db's taken in the top 8. And, none of these guys are exactly, D.Sanders,M.Haynes or R.Lott.

I can see the Pats taking R.Clady if they can't trade out of 7 and he's on the board. I see the dt's dropping a little too. I'm having a hard time figuring out where they go. I think someone might want to trade up if they drop below 5.
I'm not so sure Oakland is going to pick McFadden. They spent a lot of money on defense. And they don't have a 2. I can see them taking an ol at 4. I like the picks of E.Henderson and P.Wheeler for pats. Gives them some youth at lb. I'd love to get a cb. But, don't think these guys are worthy of that high a pick.

Yung Flippa
03-22-2008, 03:34 PM
Good 1st for Baltimore. HATE the 2nd Round pick, Brohm will be a bust. Give us either Dre Moore, Lawrence Jackson, Jerod Mayo or Erin Henderson.

Interesting 1st for Houston, I'd prefer Kenny Phillips or Jonathan Stewart because they would eliminate a bigger need.
Good 3rd, Ray Rice is underrated.

03-22-2008, 03:35 PM
Dre Moore or Erin Hnederson in rd 2 for Bengals. Bengals just finalized a deal for Utecht TE from Indy so that isn't a need anymore and they won't pick one until very late if at all.

03-22-2008, 03:36 PM
Good to know you are not the Falcons General Manager. Matt Ryan I can live with, although I do not believe he will be the pick. Sam Baker is finnesse and a bad value. Jerod Mayo is a fine pick. Dustin Keller is a finnesse tight end and not a big need compared to cornerback, defensive tackle, and some other positions.

03-22-2008, 03:39 PM
Please tell me again why we are drafting TWO quarterbacks?

Henne in the 2nd is enough, give us Rachal or Carlson in the 3rd instead of Woodson.

03-22-2008, 03:44 PM
Love the first round pick but thats about it. Should take a CB in the second

03-22-2008, 03:47 PM
#47 is too high for Duane Brown right now, Carl Nicks offers better value there than Brown. Other than that its a good Vikings mock draft.

03-22-2008, 03:54 PM
with how bad and old the bears OL is I would be upset if all we added was Oniel Cousins. Otah almost has to be the pick in round 1 if he's there, he brings versatility and could be plugged in at LG, RG, or RT day one. I'm not real high on Flacco but I cant deny that if he's there in round 2 he could very well be the pick. Give the bears Forte with our first 3rd rounder, apparently were actively talking with Forte. I'm fine with the Eddie Royal pick.

03-22-2008, 04:00 PM
I believe that St.Louis is planning on taking Jake Long or Glenn Dorsey now. And Atlanta looks like their gonna pick whichever one St.Louis doesn't take.

03-22-2008, 04:14 PM
Great 1st round pick for the Giants, but we need to draft a CB

Give us Tracey Porter round 2 and the best OLB, OT or WR available round 3

03-22-2008, 04:16 PM
love the panthers second pick
hate jets first pick

03-22-2008, 04:20 PM
Great 1st round pick for the Giants, but we need to draft a CB

Give us Tracey Porter round 2 and the best OLB, OT or WR available round 3

Agree completely.

03-22-2008, 04:32 PM
Kelly would be better in the 1st, give us Morgan in the 2nd, and in the 3rd we need a LT, so give us Hills. Other than that good job. :D

03-22-2008, 04:32 PM
Pretty much agree with what the other Giants fans have said. Phillips is an awesome pick, and Porter or the best CB available would be better there.

However, JORDYZ, in the 3rd heals all wounds.

03-22-2008, 04:34 PM
Please tell me again why we are drafting TWO quarterbacks?

Henne in the 2nd is enough, give us Rachal or Carlson in the 3rd instead of Woodson.

sorry...didn't realize I had given them two QB's...that will change in the next mock...promise ;)

03-22-2008, 04:48 PM
Give the Colts OG Chilo Rachal from USC in the 2nd and then OLB Tavares Gooden from Miami in the 3rd. They have a much bigger need at OL than at MLB so Rachal would be the better pick.

03-22-2008, 05:12 PM
Martellus Bennett in the 2nd is not necessary, the Bengals picked up Ben Utecht from Indianapolis. Shawn Crable isn't a great fit, as he's more of a 3-4 OLB prospect.

03-22-2008, 05:31 PM
Giants mock is alright,

1st- Phillips is a great pick (id personally prefer Reggie Smith)
2nd- Howard is average, Porter if available would easily be our pick
3rd- Nelson is alright, good value IMO

03-22-2008, 06:39 PM
Pretty good draft for us right there.

03-22-2008, 07:25 PM
I'm still not sold on Sweed in the first. Not just because of him as a player, but because the dropoff may not be much to a WR in the 2nd. I might go Stewart or Groves there.

Lawrence Jackson is pretty good in the 2nd.

Never seen Rubin play, but they say he's more of a NT type. We go for more penetrating types on the d-line.

03-22-2008, 07:43 PM
I give any mock that has the Bengals taking Dorsey an A+!

But I hate the 2nd rounder. Bengals don't use TE's much, but they did just go spend 9 million on one in FA so that they don't have to waste a pick on one. Id expect them to go LB, S, or OL in round 2.

03-22-2008, 08:03 PM
Almost a perfect Packers draft. Talib is a dream pick, Nicks and Morgan are great value but we will not be drafting a DT early. Please note that Corey Williams was traded because we have great depth, give us a TE like Finley instead.

03-22-2008, 08:57 PM
I give any mock that has the Bengals taking Dorsey an A+!

But I hate the 2nd rounder. Bengals don't use TE's much, but they did just go spend 9 million on one in FA so that they don't have to waste a pick on one. Id expect them to go LB, S, or OL in round 2.

Hm, not exactly a good assessment on the Bengals needs. TE was a need this offseason, Marvin Lewis said that this year they were finally planning to incorporate a TE more into their offense as a receiving threat. The team was targeting big, athletic, pass-catchers, keeping a close eye on their Combine performances and Pro Days. Turns out we got Utecht, which is great. This ensures us of not having to use a pick (at least an early pick). Utecht, Kelly, and Coats gives us both talent and depth at the position. Perhaps they'll target a TE with a 6th-7th Round Pick to add some competition and potentially developmental value. Gary Barnridge from Louisville is likely to be drafted a bit before that range, but the name should give you an idea of our outlook on the position.

As for Linebacker, this is a need misunderstood by the media and even most draft experts. If, or rather when, we draft a Linebacker in this year’s draft, it will not be to start right away. Dhani Jones is our current starter at WLB, like it or not. Jones, of course, is not the long-term solution. However, with his three year contract, it buys new Defensive Coordinator Mike Zimmer and new Linebackers Coach Jeff Fitzgerald enough time to develop their type of LB. They each favor bigger, more athletic types at LB. Fitzgerald turned Mid-Late Round picks Adalius Thomas and Bart Scott (UDFA) into stars in Baltimore and guys like Jarret Johnson and Antwan Barnes into serviceable players. Mike Zimmer played a big part in the development of DeMarcus Ware in Dallas. The trend is, as I said before, bigger, more athletic LB’s that may struggle with technique. We’d likely sit the player for a year or so, play him mostly on Special Teams, then gradually move him into the lineup. So I wouldn’t buy into the Keith Rivers hype, as it is most likely, not true. Auburn’s Quentin Groves may be considered a reach at 9th Overall, but is the top fit for the Bengals at LB. Other players who would fit the bill in the 3rd-4th are Purdue’s Stanford Keglar, GT’s Gary Guyton, Nevada’s Ezra Butler, Georgia’s Marcus Howard, and BYU’s Bryan Kehl. A couple late-round sleepers include Clark’s Curtis Johnson and Vanderbilt’s Curtis Gatewood.

Safety is a position that won't be addressed until the 4th Round or perhaps later still. With Nedu Ndukwe (and Dexter Jackson) at SS and Marvin White (and Ethan Kilmer) at FS, we have young talent that the team supposedly loves. The team did, however, go after a veteran FS in Marlon McCree. McCree would be there to provide veteran insurance for White and help him become a better player, he would have been forced into starter duty only if White faltered. The team could, of course, draft for depth at the position with a player such as TCU's David Roach, but he'll likely be selected by the time we pick in the 4th. Point being, I highly doubt we target a Safety with an early pick. Once again, like TE, some depth, adding competition, wouldn't hurt.

An Offensive Lineman is quite possible, but I would think it'd have to be the right guy to get Marvin to go for it in the 2nd. Some examples would be BC OT Gosder Cherilus or Nebraska's Carl Nicks. If USC's Chilo Rachal was there in the 2nd he'd be an excellent fit. Rachal's a big OG prospect who could possibly be groomed to play any position on the line really, except for maybe Center and Left Tackle. I think it is very likely that the Bengals add a big, athletic, versatile OL that could play Tackle or Guard. In the first round, I would think our guy would be the huge Jeff Otah, who could play RT or could be groomed to play Guard or even LT, or perhaps Ryan Clady as a LT, but he doesn't exactly bring the versatility the team now likes out of their OL. Pittsburgh's Mike McGlynn in the 4th Round is an option.

A big, bruising RB like Tulane's Matt Forte would make sense to me. As would Illinois' Rashard Mendenhall in the 1st if Dorsey/Ellis/Harvey are gone. The team seems to be slowly rebuilding their RB core and they'll need a replacement for the aging, increasingly-injury-prone Rudi Johnson. It wouldn't shock me to see a two-back system in Cincinnati, a Thunder/Lightning approach with Forte/Irons, just an example. Probably a first day need if addressed at all.

With the conflicts we're having at WR, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team go in that direction either. Perhaps Mario Manningham, Andre Caldwell, or Eddie Royal would be options in the second. Caldwell and Royal particularly bring value as return men. Obviously this need could wait until the third, but if the right guy is there at 46, as I said, wouldn't be surprised.

03-22-2008, 09:04 PM
yeah theres pretty much no way the Falcons take Matt Ryan over Jake Long

03-22-2008, 09:35 PM
Can you please explain Keith Rivers to the Bills?

03-22-2008, 10:50 PM
great raider pick

03-23-2008, 12:08 AM
Can you please explain Keith Rivers to the Bills?

I thought he represented the best need and BAP available...I also thought that Malcolm Kelly or Limas Sweed would be too early...

03-23-2008, 10:02 AM
We dont need a LB though.
We have Crowell, Posluszny, and Mitchell.

03-23-2008, 10:26 AM
Give the redskins Mike McGlynn in the third and it would be a perfect draft.

03-23-2008, 02:07 PM
I have to go 1 thumb down man, i was about to give you huge props for the Cason pick becaues personally I like it and its different but it seems like you have us reaching for every pick...Cason's stock is not at 22, im fine with him at 28 because im almost certain he wont be gone but 22 is stretching it a bit, Charles at 28 is a HUUUUUGE reach though, there is no way he's a 1st rd grade, and granted you arent predicting trades, but if we want Cason and Charles, knowing Jerry he will trade back from both our picks and take Cason late rd 1 and Charles or Chris Johnson mid rd 2, so im not really in love with us taking a 2nd rounder in the 1st...

And the Booty pick :( Its the 3rd round man, we have so many other needs that qb in the 3rd is just ridiculous, I dont know many teams who spend a 3rd rd pick on a lifetime backup because thats all we want, give us Anthony Morelli, Kyle Wright, hell anyone but nowhere near round 3 because we dont expect our backup to ever get to play and id be extremely pissed if we wasted a 3rd round pick on the bench.

Manningham is ok, im not a fan, but in the 2nd rd id live with it...i just dont like the fits for Dallas too much...give us another db instead of a qb in rd 3, as far as wr we took stanback last yr as a development guy and he's tailored like a manningham so if we go wr i think it be a big physical guy, and as far as rb if u have us taking charles we would need a parter who wants to trade up because id be upset if we took him in the 1st, and no qbs before round 5.

03-23-2008, 02:33 PM
Love the first and third round picks. I'm pretty high on Chilo Rachal.

Don't love the second pick. Would prefer a WR or CB there.

Good mock overall. :)

Smooth Criminal
03-23-2008, 02:52 PM
Steelers would definately take Talib over Hardy. They have been bringing in DBs for workouts, including Talib, and Tomlin has shown great interest in bringing in another corner.

03-23-2008, 03:19 PM
phillips probably the better pick here for sd.

03-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Pretty good Buc draft. All positions addressed are positions of need.

03-23-2008, 04:54 PM
I believe that St.Louis is planning on taking Jake Long or Glenn Dorsey now. And Atlanta looks like their gonna pick whichever one St.Louis doesn't take.


03-23-2008, 06:11 PM
I'd be happy with that Niners' draft.

03-23-2008, 07:36 PM
goood patriots draft except for the first round

bored of education
03-23-2008, 09:32 PM
I like KC's draft. But would love it if a wr or cb in the 2nd round

03-24-2008, 07:18 AM
Sad for you, but the Eagles mock may just take all five revisions until it is even respectable. I disagree with the Thomas pick for many reasons, but here are some... If we are going to go WR in the first, Sweed, Kelly, and Hardy would all be better options than Thomas. But Kenny Phillips would be a better option than all of those. LB is a depth need and we will not draft one anywhere near the second round. MArio Manningham, Carl Nicks, and many others would be better options in the second, along with Tyrell Johnson and DaJaun Morgan. As for the third, we will probably address the last one of the WR/S/OT needs here, if not we would be looking at CB depth here or even a TE. I do like Benedict there though for the Eagles, but there are better options.

Matthew Jones
03-24-2008, 07:31 AM
Like the Patriots draft with the exception of McKelvin to an extent. While I do feel that McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie are the best corners in the draft, neither is a particularly good fit for the Patriots. Don't sleep on Glenn Dorsey because he seems like a terrific Patriot mentality-wise and he could fit in well as an end in our 3-4. Richard Seymour was banged up last year and his play fell off a bit, and he's only signed through 2009, so a Dorsey pick could be made for a future starter and would allow the Patriots to employ some (albeit odd looking) 4-3 fronts.