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eaglesalltheway

02-26-2007, 08:26 AM

If Willis is left, I would go after him, but if not Carriker maybe. Wendling would be a great second rounder, but if he is gone we could ge after Weddle. If no one we value would be left and Brian Leonard is still available, I could really see this team go for him in the second. CB would be good in the third, but I don't think we need to draft that position so high, unless none of the players in other positions that are left that we would want. I am beginning to realize Stallworth is probably gone. You all can berate me and tell me how stupid I am now. So WR could be a possibility in the third, but I hope not, because I really want to see what our young WRs already on our roster can do. Anthony Waters would be a great third pick if we wouldn't get Willis. We may not have a fourth, but if we trade for one, Anthony Waters might still be available, DE could be a possibility as long as we wouldn't get Carriker. Big DT who can stop the run is very possible as well if we don't get one in FA is possible in the fifth, along with QB for the future, OL, CB, S (If we don't get Mikell back as well), pounding RB if we don't get one in the earlier rounds is very possible as well.

bsaza2358

02-26-2007, 12:07 PM

The Eagles have a few key needs that must be addressed in this draft: LB, DS, and DT. Secondary needs are: CB, WR, DE, and bigger RB. The team has 6 draft picks as of now. I can't specify what they're going to do in any round. I'm currently advocating trading back to the early second to grab more picks, especially in the 4th and 5th. This draft has some decent talent in the 4th-6th round...

bsaza2358

02-26-2007, 12:08 PM

Is John Wendling really moving up people's boards that he's a second rounder right now?

Go_Eagles77

02-26-2007, 01:02 PM

I like David Irons, but am wary of taking him because he seems like a great natural athlete but doesn't seem to excel skill-wise at his position. There are plenty of excellent cornerback options in the third round.

He's also going to be a 25 year old rookie which is a big turnoff imo.

Go_Eagles77

02-26-2007, 01:35 PM

Willis just ran a 4.49 and 4.53 at the combine. There's no way he falls to 26 now.

bsaza2358

02-26-2007, 02:24 PM

Speed isn't anything. You have guys like Olsen and maybe Rouse moving up into Round 1. Poz is also a possibility to go ahead. It will depend on need, scouting, and luck.

eaglesalltheway

02-26-2007, 03:48 PM

Speed isn't anything. You have guys like Olsen and maybe Rouse moving up into Round 1. Poz is also a possibility to go ahead. It will depend on need, scouting, and luck.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

cunningham06

02-26-2007, 10:53 PM

People have said that Patrick Willis is a two down back, what is your take on it? I personally don't think that's the case.

eaglesalltheway

02-27-2007, 07:24 AM

People have said that Patrick Willis is a two down back, what is your take on it? I personally don't think that's the case.

I agree with you, because with his more than adequate speed, he at least has the capability of being able to go into coverage. Hopefully though, other teams won't figure this out so he drops to us at 26.

bsaza2358

02-27-2007, 09:50 AM

I'm absolutely not worried at all about this draft. There is enough talent there that the Eagles will be able to fill their holes and get some impact players. That, combined with another year of seasoning for the classes of 2005-2006 means the Eagles remain a young and dangerous team. They are also well stocked for the 2008 draft, which could be an absolute monster class.

eaglesalltheway

02-27-2007, 08:04 PM

Don't we have 10 or 11 picks next year? It is shaping up to be a great draft class and can't wait to find out what will happen.

Dillen

02-27-2007, 08:18 PM

I believe we have 9 as of now, but the extra ones are in the 6th round and later.

Incinerator

02-27-2007, 08:23 PM

cunningham06

02-27-2007, 09:56 PM

I agree with you, because with his more than adequate speed, he at least has the capability of being able to go into coverage. Hopefully though, other teams won't figure this out so he drops to us at 26.

Hopefully, his coverage skills are much better than people give him credit for. Last season at Ole Miss he did a very solid job. Anyway who says we won't take a LB who isn't good in coverage? Trotter has never been that great at it. As long as we play enough nickel LB packages any weaknesses we have in linebacker coverage should be minimalized. I like McCoy at nickel LB his coverage skills continue to improve and he's pretty solid.

cunningham06

02-27-2007, 10:02 PM

Now that the combine is over what do you guys want with our first three picks?

I'm now thinking:
1 - Michael Griffin
2 - Quentin Moses (stock is plummeting)
3 - Anthony Waters

though I doubt they would go all defense on the first day I think that would be a great draft. Griffin fills in the safety spot Lewis left, Kearse is aging and Moses has potential as seen by his Junior year, and Waters can eventually replace Trotter in the middle, whether it be this season or next, and hopefully they keep Gaither at WLB.

I am not a huge fan of Quentin Moses. He's an underachiever and there's nothing I dislike more than that. We need to take a DE in this draft, but if it is going to be a second round pick, I would rather us take a different type of DE. We have plenty of good pass rushing DE's, but we need a DE who is good at both which Moses is not. He's a good pass-rusher, but he is not very good against the run.

bhaarat316

02-28-2007, 12:38 AM

I like Griffen in the first, might be there since a lot of players started running amazing 40s including him, hes a big man that can play run and pass

second round i would rather pick timmons might not be there or Crowder from Texas

third round pick i love Waters, might be reach hopefully his injury does not affect his pro career, i think it was acl or mcl

bhaarat316

02-28-2007, 12:42 AM

looking at all these lbs we have and that we are going to get, are we planning on having a lot of packages with them, the only on i see starting every down it trotter

we have Gaithers and McCoy
a lb from the draft and GoCong and Jones

only place i think we should add depth is mlb behind trotter if Gaithers is going to continue to play wlb

bhaarat316

02-28-2007, 12:58 AM

since willis proabably wont be avliable to us how about Tim Shaw ran 4.49 from Penn State same as willis
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/timshaw.html

or

Antwan Barnes ran 4.40 and did 31 reps is 6'1 240 that is impressive
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/antwanbarnes.html

eaglesalltheway

02-28-2007, 07:19 AM

Griffin would be a great first pick for us, we could go Quentin Moses, but like it was said before, we need someone who can stop the run at DE as well, so maybe not him. If he was the only acceptable DE left though, sure, I would take him. I'm telling you guys, don't rule out Leonard if he is still left for our pick in the second, especially now that it is inevitable that we will lose Stallworth, we need somone who can contribute to both our run and pass offense, which he can do. I know most of you don't want him, but with Stallworth gone and our young WRs, and a gap that needs to be filled at RB, Leonard would make a lot of sense.

eaglesalltheway

02-28-2007, 07:20 AM

And the Waters pick is good. I'm sure we all can agree on that.

B-Dawk

03-01-2007, 12:59 AM

for another possible second round end I like Abiamiri

eaglesalltheway

03-01-2007, 07:38 AM

He might be gone by our pick.

bhaarat316

03-02-2007, 08:18 PM

I saw a video of the safety from Hawaii, he was crazy like, actually reminded me of troy Polamalu we could get him as a Undrafted FA Leaonard Peters look for him on you tube

eaglesalltheway

03-02-2007, 09:54 PM

You can't just go by a guy from his highlight reel. That is why it is his HIGHLIGHT REEL. Besides, he is already 27 and I don't think he would be anything better than a special teams star.

Eaglez.Fan

03-02-2007, 10:53 PM

Bigp5437

03-03-2007, 12:16 AM

I don't know about Peters. I like what I see on some aspects, he looks like a playmaker, but he also looks like he plays too wild for our defense. He definitely reminds me of Polamalu, but Troy's a lot more athletic so he can get away with some of what he does, Peters doesn't have all that.

Bigp5437

03-03-2007, 12:17 AM

Oh yeah, what's up everyone. Joined here a while ago and was planning to contribute on a regular basis but it never happened, always visit these boards though.

bhaarat316

03-03-2007, 12:53 AM

I'd rather wait a couple rounda and take that big SS from Hawaii, I'm blanking on his name. Then take Wendling in the 2nd, he's good but I'm not sure he is that good. But he is moving up some people boards lately.

Yeah that who we are talking about Peters, na he is more of a ufa then somone to draft, he is kinda injury prone, also i forgot that he is 27

Wendling i think is great, can play the run and pass well, all he needs work is his technique that is fix able, his measrualbes are great

dcsicass31birds

03-03-2007, 01:15 AM

is it possible that the eagles could pick up Paul Posluszny???

Eagles need a young LB...another WR and y not get Lenard from Rutgers....

bhaarat316

03-03-2007, 02:30 AM

they dont need another wr too many young ones, maybe a vet wr, leonard from rutgers will be too high of a pick, if he can be gotten in the third we would take him right away, but for somone who plays fb/rb or trying to play rb in the nfl, its kinda hard for the eagles to take him in the 2nd, plus we have thomas taphe,

a experinced lb would be nice, but eagles i dont think will do anything big in FA, a LB would be nice taht can play great hopefully he does not turn into Matt McCoy, who was suppose to be great, but turned out in my opinion to be a decent backup

eaglesalltheway

03-03-2007, 10:29 AM

Should I just start a Brian Leonard thread to discuss all of his stuff? That way we can keep all of it in one place and we can stay on topic more.

Go_Eagles77

03-03-2007, 04:15 PM

Oh yeah, what's up everyone. Joined here a while ago and was planning to contribute on a regular basis but it never happened, always visit these boards though.

Welcome, are you planning on becoming more of a regular poster because we need more eagles fans around here.

Bigp5437

03-03-2007, 04:49 PM

Hoping to be able to, like I said I'm always on these boards since I visit this site almost everyday, might as well start adding in haha

eaglesalltheway

03-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Good, we need some more opinions and views on everything.

DragonMekha

03-03-2007, 10:10 PM

Some players id like to see the Eagles get/look into:

Drew Tate QB out of Iowa-He'll probably go undrafted and could be one of those quarterbacks the Eagles develop to later trade and wont have to spend a draft pick.

Brandon Merriweather DB out of The U--Yes he has had character concerns but he has major versatility.He can play either safety spot and can also play corner.That way he can be plugged in to replace Michael lewis,a few years from now he could replace Dawk and he could play nickel.

If we look for a big back to carry 5-10 times a game,someone like Michael Bush from Louisville,Chris Henry from Arizona,Nate Iloa from Hawaii or Dwayne Wright from Fresno St.

If we do draft a receiver,id like to see Jason Hill from Washington St..Someone who could replace Donte Stallworth(although id like to see Donte back).A late rounder depending on what goes on with Jeremy Bloom,Steve Breaston from Michigan as a receiver/returner.

bhaarat316

03-03-2007, 11:53 PM

i like Jason hill lots of speed,

Bush kinda runs high, he can be like a brandon jacobs but he needs to become stronger

Love the U players and Merriweather is a Versatile player who can play cb and S, he could replace Bdawk, but i doubt that becuase we need a big hitter lik Dawkins to replace him

Qb prospect i dont mind might not be a bad idea

eaglesalltheway

03-04-2007, 10:12 AM

Do you guys think we will draft a late round O-linemen again? I think we will, but I really hope we don't. What about a QB? Do you see us drafting a late round QB? I see it as a possibility if Koy isn't re-signed.

Bigp5437

03-04-2007, 01:15 PM

It's a possibility on both fronts. I don't think we really need anymore O-linemen, but then again with the deals some have been getting(and the fact that I'm a former O-line member myself haha), it stresses the fact on how important linemen can be. All it takes is one streak of bad luck and you're hurting for help(like Cleveland last year up the middle), I know none of us would ever want to see our O-line in that position. As far as a QB, it's possible. But I have a question, what happened to Omar Jacobs? I remember we signed him to the practice squad a while back, wasn't sure what happened to him now(and too lazy to go check haha, I'm about to go to sleep as I'm sick). But if in fact he is still around one way or the other, why not give him the opportunity? Then again, he may be long gone and I'm just looking like an idiot for asking haha. But otherwise I don't see why not draft someone late round. Koy knows the system inside and out, but will he really get it done again? I still have nightmares of him twitching when he dislocated his elbow against SF a couple of years back(even though up to that point, he was giving them the business)

eaglesalltheway

03-04-2007, 04:06 PM

Omar Jacobs was released a few months ago, but I don't think anyone will give you a hard time for not knowing a guy who was on our practice squad. Would this make it seem more likely to you that we would draft a QB in round 6-7?

Eaglez.Fan

03-04-2007, 05:20 PM

DragonMekha

03-04-2007, 06:28 PM

What do you guys think of Jon Beason from the U?

I do think he'll be a great player, he reminds me of Jonathan Vilma. So maybe even move him into the middle, but if not he can stay outside. I know it's not the best fit system wise but he could succeed in Philly IMO.

The problem is,im not quite sure if he is worth our first round pick,and he'll most likely be gone by our second pick.So about the only shot is a slight reach.If we go safety or corner in the 1st,id like to see Lamarr Woodley from Michigan in the 2nd which he will most likely fall to there because of not being able to participate at the senior bowl or the combine.He can play both OLB/DE and once again the Eagles love versatility.But again it depends on the whether soemone like Gocong develops or even seems he can play this year.

cunningham06

03-04-2007, 06:46 PM

What do you guys think of Jon Beason from the U?

I do think he'll be a great player, he reminds me of Jonathan Vilma. So maybe even move him into the middle, but if not he can stay outside. I know it's not the best fit system wise but he could succeed in Philly IMO.

I hate the idea of taking Jon Beason with our pick, for the following reasons. In the pro's he projects to WILL which we don't need at all. He was a part of a rotation at Miami and wasn't out on the field the whole game so who knows if he would be able to handle that. While he was on the field he was solid, but he isn't a playmaker. His production was average, and he isn't a physical freak, yet he is still considered a first round pick? He is an overrated prospect because he is a Miami LB and people just assume he will be good. We would be much better off drafting someone else.

eaglesalltheway

03-04-2007, 06:58 PM

I agree with cunningham on this one. Although I don't think he would be the worst possible pick for our first.

Go_Eagles77

03-05-2007, 08:51 PM

These are the MLB prospects I want the eagles to draft

1st round - Patrick Willis
2nd round - David Harris
3rd round - Anthony Waters
4th-6th round - Desmond Bishop

Not interested in Beason though

bhaarat316

03-05-2007, 11:47 PM

PaT willis might not be there i think he is either going to the bills or rams

bhaarat316

03-05-2007, 11:50 PM

i want Griffin in the first

eaglesalltheway

03-06-2007, 07:32 AM

I would be more than fine if we got Willis in the first. The safety class is much more deep than the LB class this year and we could get a very good safety in the second. Maybe Weddle or Wendling. Although I would rather we get a S like Griffin in the first, becuase we can wait until the third or fourth round to get someont like Waters or Bishop. Bishop seems like a Trotter clone if you ask me.

bhaarat316

03-06-2007, 05:48 PM

i like Waters better he is faster, even though he is and inch bigger and 5 pounds heveier, Waters was clearly improving alot each year, untill his injury, with that injury he did pull of a nice 40

cunningham06

03-06-2007, 07:06 PM

I don't think we need to worry about the Bills taking Willis, they will probably pick some random player that few people expected. There's a good chance he will be gone before us though.

eaglesalltheway

03-06-2007, 07:27 PM

What was Waters' 40 time anyway?

bhaarat316

03-06-2007, 10:00 PM

hmmmm NDC has him at 4.65 and NDS has him at 4.59

eaglesalltheway

03-07-2007, 10:06 AM

Either one isn't too bad, but it would be nice if it is 4.59, especially if this was his 40 and he is still recovering from the injury. Thanks.

cunningham06

03-07-2007, 09:42 PM

Honestly it doesn't matter which it is. The 40 is overrated anyway, 0.06 seconds difference doesn't make that big of a difference on the field. Just knowing that he is in that range is very encouraging, especially since some linebackers had problems with the turf and timed slower than expected. That is a fast time for a LB, and it appears he has come back well from his injury. I am a big Clemson fan and have watched quite a bit of Waters, and if he could bring us the range he had before his injury, then he would be an excellent prospect to draft.

After all before his injury, at the beginning of the season, Scott thought that he was at least a second round talent who was a good senior season away from being in the first round. He's got good skills, and good speed, and is a great natural athlete. The more I think about it the more I like us taking him assuming we can get our hands on a early 4th round pick. Taking him in the third round would be a reach even though he is very talented. He probably will last til the second day. If we can get a 4th round pick I would be all for drafting him.

eaglesalltheway

03-08-2007, 07:32 AM

I would draft him in the third or fourth. He may be a little bit of a reach, but his talent would make up for it. My biggest needs, IMO for the Eagles are:
1. Safety, I'm pretty sure that is what we all could agree on.
2. MLB, We need someone to either take over for Trotter when he retires, or somone to replace him on the roster. I heard a rumor that he may be cut sometime before the upcoming season. I hope it isn't true though.
3. Nickel CB. This may not be a need for long, because Rod Hood is not getting the kind of interest he thought he was going to get. So maybe he ends up back in Midnight Green. If not Will James is another possibility.
4. Big RB. I think another quality RB would help Donovan and Westbrook a lot. We need to take some pressure off of McNabb for at least the first few games if he is able to start the season. A two back system is effective right now and we need somone to compliment Westy.
5. DE. Even though we just re-signed Juqua, our DEs are getting old and have a lot of question marks. Hopefully we are able to get a guy that is successful against the run and pass. Another DE would be great for our rotation.
6. Big DT. If we don't get one in FA, the later rounds of the draft would be a great spot to get a big runstuffer to go into our rotation.
7. WR. This is is Donte doesn't re-sign, but I think this offense could be successful without him. We could look for a middle round speed WR to give us a deep threat if we lose Donte, but I still don't think we absolutely need a WR
8. OLB. Most would have this higher up on their draft boards. We could go with this in the earlier rounds if there is someone the FO likes, but I don't think we will. Here is my reasoning. The organization did say Gaither is our future at MIKE, but he is better suited to play WILL. If we draft an OLB early though, that means Gaither IS our future MLB and I am wrong. Some could argue that this and MLB should be switched, but I would disagree.
9. QB. This would be a third srting guy that we would pick either in the last two rounds or undrafted. If Koy comes back, I doubt we go after one though

eaglesalltheway

03-08-2007, 07:33 AM

My point for that was MLB could be one of our top three or four needs depending on how you see it, but I would have no problem taking him in the end of the third round.

dcsicass31birds

03-08-2007, 07:52 PM

ok tell me if this sounds relistic...

1. OLB Paul Posluszy (penn st)
6-1 237 4.7sec
face it we need a good solid player here
can play MLB or OLB

2. QB Troy Smith (Ohio St)
6-0 222 4.65sec
He is small but is a great athlete
we need good back up for the criple

3. ILB David Harris (mich)
6-2 239 4.8sec
Trotter has to start to train his replacement for the years to come
at Harris would be a good fit

4. DT turk McBride (Tenn)
6-3 285 5.0
a small/slower type(needs work) but when he is on his game
he can play...a little help this will be a good player in the NFL

5. OLB Prescott Burgess (Mich)
6-3 245 4.7
I know (another LB) yes..he can learn the system..
and CAN play special Teams for now

6. SS Marvin White (texas Christian)
6-1 196 4.41
We need another safty either FS or SS
dawk is getting older but he aint gonna go no where
so he would be a great teacher right now

7. DE Antwan Barnes (Florida Int)
6-0 243 4.53
lets get another DE get one that has what the coaches can work with
and make better...not a bad athlete and could fit nicely here...

bhaarat316

03-08-2007, 07:59 PM

I thought Barnes is a Olb maybe de if he switched i guess i think he is going in the 4-5 round

Bigp5437

03-08-2007, 08:19 PM

Yeah he is a OLB, I dunno about him switching to DE. And he definitely will go higher than 7th round, after his combine performance as he was one of the best testing wise, I really wouldn't be surprised if he ended up going end of the 1st day, but most likely beginning of the 2nd day.

cunningham06

03-08-2007, 08:51 PM

I would draft him in the third or fourth. He may be a little bit of a reach, but his talent would make up for it. My biggest needs, IMO for the Eagles are:
3. Nickel CB. This may not be a need for long, because Rod Hood is not getting the kind of interest he thought he was going to get. So maybe he ends up back in Midnight Green. If not Will James is another possibility.
7. WR. This is is Donte doesn't re-sign, but I think this offense could be successful without him. We could look for a middle round speed WR to give us a deep threat if we lose Donte, but I still don't think we absolutely need a WR
8. OLB. Most would have this higher up on their draft boards. We could go with this in the earlier rounds if there is someone the FO likes, but I don't think we will. Here is my reasoning. The organization did say Gaither is our future at MIKE, but he is better suited to play WILL. If we draft an OLB early though, that means Gaither IS our future MLB and I am wrong. Some could argue that this and MLB should be switched, but I would disagree.

Nickel can be addressed in the draft pretty easily. Hood might want a contract bigger than the Eagles really want to give. Fred Bennett would be an awesome pick in the third, he's a very solid player, and looks like a great nickel prospect, and maybe an eventual starter.

For WR: If Donte doesn't come back, this need is certainly higher than 7. Donte was huge for us last season. He has the speed the rest of our receivers lack and really helped our offense to be as explosive as it was.

OLB: This should be higher. We have no need of a weakside LB, but strongside is certainly a need. I don't really trust Gocong at strongside, and would like it if we draft a strongside LB so we can keep Gocong at DE.

eaglesalltheway

03-08-2007, 09:39 PM

Depending on what happens in FA I may need to change that. But I also took into account from what I have heard from the FO. They say they aren't worried at LB (though they should be) or WR. (Personally, I think give Baskett and Avant their shot) That is why those two are so low on my board of needs. About Hood, he isn't getting all that much attention, and may be back next year, so who knows, if so , its one less hole that we need to fill in the draft.

cunningham06

03-08-2007, 11:58 PM

You must always take what the FO says with a grain of salt. Especially before the draft. They aren't going to say anything that could potentially give away what area they are going to address in the draft. It's all smoke-screens right now.

eaglesalltheway

03-09-2007, 07:26 AM

I know, but I think they agree as well, that the LB corp most likely won't be addressed until the draft, with MLB as the most pressing need.

cunningham06

03-09-2007, 06:26 PM

Of course we won't address it before the draft, but it's still a big need. Right now the LB FA's would be nothing more than depth which we don't need.

eaglesalltheway

03-09-2007, 07:40 PM

But do you think MLB is more important than OLB right now?

cunningham06

03-11-2007, 01:44 PM

Right now, I think we can solve both problems with one player: Patrick Willis. If we draft him we could play him this season at SAM and then once Trotters gone move him back inside at MIKE. MLB is the bigger need right now though just because we are about to lose our starter because of age. Dhani Jones isn't a good SAM, and also needs to be replaced, so I'd say that SAM is also a need for us.

eaglesalltheway

03-11-2007, 03:36 PM

Anthony Waters is capable of playing any LB position as well. The only question with him is his injury. I would love to have either Willis or Waters on the Eagles.

cunningham06

03-11-2007, 07:17 PM

I love Waters, but I don't know about him playing strongside. Maybe he could, but I doubt he would get significant playing time there. Since he's a 3rd or 4th round prospect unless he is a god on the field he won't get much PT just because that's how our FO works. If we draft Waters it will be to take over for Trotter when he's done, or if he is adept at the strongside to eventually supplant Dhani Jones. That's why I want Willis. Hopefully he will be so good in training camp that he will be chosen to start over Dhani this season.

eaglesalltheway

03-11-2007, 08:25 PM

Gocong is the guy who will replace the bowtie, not a draft pick. The FO really likes what they have seen out of Gocong and he may be the starter next year. He is smart, athletic, and strong, and he has great size for any LB position. Last I saw I think he was somewhere around 260 lbs. Either way you see it we are either going to replace WILL or MIKE. I see it at MIKE, because Gaither will probably stay at WILL, but no matter if he moves to MIKE or not Waters would be a great pick in the third or fourth.

jonbrodo17

03-11-2007, 08:59 PM

I got some questions. I think that everybody agrees that we should use our high picks on a linbacker or safety. Now what If we sign Fowler (he agreed to an offer sheet, Philadelphiaeagles.com) and Mike Doss who supposedly talked to Andy personally (G-Cobb 610 WIP). What would we pick, we would have a ton of linebackers and 4 safeties (Dawk, Mikell, Considine, Doss)??? would we trade up? draft a WR???

eaglesalltheway

03-11-2007, 09:11 PM

I don't think Fowler isn't the answer by any means. He is a MLB who may not even make it past the final cuts IMO. (But this possible signing does lead me to belaive that Gaither is our WILL of the future. That is why I have been saying that so often) I wouldn't mind Doss, though. But if we sign Fowler and Doss, we could go DE still, or we could trade up. We would probably use next years picks as trade bait though, because we already have 10 or so picks next year, and that doesn't even include compensatory picks. But the problem with that is, we need a trading partner. And we all know how difficult that can be.

cunningham06

03-11-2007, 09:59 PM

Doss is interesting, that would make safety a less pressing need. Like was said before regarding Gocong, I'm sure he will be capable playing SLB but I seriously doubt that he will be much of an improvement over Dhani. We need to bring in a playmaker and let Gocong play DE. We've seen how much better our defense is when we have a playmaker at OLB in Gaither, and I think Gocong would be more valuable to us at DE.

eaglesalltheway

03-12-2007, 08:22 AM

We drafted Gocong to be our SAM, and I have heard nothing that would change that. We haven't gone after any other SAMs in FA. Gocong would need to bulk up a little more anyway. Have you seen the film of him in college? Most of his big plays at DE were because he lined out so far wide and just took a b-line straight for the QB once the ball was snapped. He got by as a DE in college because of his speed. In the NFL, everyone is faster now. Gocong doesn't have any moves that a DE should have. He can't bull rush, spin, swim, push-and-pull, or anything. He is our future at SAM and that is how it will just end up being. Before you argue this, look at his tape from college, and you will see that he rarely, if ever, uses DE moves. And another thing if you look at the tape of his college years, Cal Poly had basically a LB at every position. They had very undersized D-linemen, the LBs, and most of their safety could pass for LBs as well. Just look at the tape and you will see what I mean.

cunningham06

03-15-2007, 12:14 AM

Please point out where I said Gocong won't be playing strongside, or that he is incapable of doing so. That is not what I said. I said that the team would be better off if we brought in a true playmaking LB who is capable of playing strong side, and keeping Gocong at DE. Gocong over his years in college got used to playing with his hand in the dirt on the LOS. Of course most of his big plays came when he wasn't blocked. The same can be said for many college players in many different systems. As for not having ANY moves that a DE should have, that simply isn't true. His hand skills are not bad, and he is capable of using swim moves. Even by NFL standards he still has pretty good speed. If he were to play DE for us it would be 3rd string on his side of choice, most likely right. That's all we really need from a 3rd string DE. Just speed, to wear down the tackle while our other DE's get some rest. His "lack of moves" would also make a strong case for why he shouldn't play LB because many of these moves are shared between LB's and DE's. Gocong is a good natural athlete, and should probably be kept at a position where being athletic is one of if not the most important parts to the position. That's all I'm saying.

eaglesalltheway

03-15-2007, 07:39 AM

Only rushing LBs need the same moves as DEs. Did you look at his film? I don't think you did because if you would have, you would have understood what I was talking about. Look at the film, and then come back with your argument. Yes I could see him playing some DE, but I think he will be our SAM and SAM only.

bsaza2358

03-15-2007, 10:03 AM

I think Gocong could play rush DE in our system on obvious passing downs, but he really lacked the bulk in his lower body to hold up as a DE over time. I remember watching him do the LB drills at last year's combine and coming away impressed. He has a nice attacking style and wraps up well. I like Gocong as a flex type player. I don't think he'll ever be a superb coverage guy, but he can do the pressure off the edge thing as a rush LB and also flow to the ball.

cunningham06

03-15-2007, 01:11 PM

He would be an excellent fit at joker in our defense where he does a little of both.

eaglesalltheway

03-15-2007, 04:29 PM

He would be an excellent fit at joker in our defense where he does a little of both.

I guess so, but would our defense do that?

Rob331

03-17-2007, 11:24 PM

If we keep our own 3 picks I'd be happy with -

1 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
2 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina
3 Eric Weddle S Utah

cunningham06

03-18-2007, 12:11 AM

I guess so, but would our defense do that?

By Joker I just mean a mix of playing hand down DE and then upright maybe play some coverage, not necessarily SLB. We did this with Kearse quite a bit in 2004. As I remember joker was Johnson's original plan before just full time SLB.

cunningham06

03-18-2007, 12:12 AM

If we keep our own 3 picks I'd be happy with -

1 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
2 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina
3 Eric Weddle S Utah

1. We just signed Curtis so I don't see us taking Meachem
2. Fred Bennett is a slight reach there, not that I wouldn't want him, he's awesome.
3. I seriously doubt that Weddle will last to our pick in the third round, if even the third round at all.

cunningham06

03-18-2007, 12:30 AM

A player that I really like that would be a good 7th round pick or UFA is Louis Leonard out of Fresno St. Scott doesn't have him on his list of DT's, but here are his measurables, and a rough scouting report.

6'4 3/4" I've seen him listed from 320 to 353 pounds

Positives: Obviously, he's massive. Excellent at tying up blockers, a solid 2 gap DT. Good initial quickness, has strength to anchor the line. He can be an effective pass-rusher at times because of his rare blend of quickness and power. Has a very powerful bull rush. Has a solid motor despite size when he is well rested.

Negatives: He lacks technique and experience. He only started the whole season as a senior. Needs to learn to use hands more effectively when shedding blocks. Wears down quickly, needs a rotation. Needs to monitor weight carefully. Lacks closing burst.

Overall: This guy seems like the situational run stuffer we've been dreaming about. He lacks technique, but honestly that doesn't make that much of a difference for a player like him. He's also not bad against the pass. He is a DT in the mold of Ma'ake Kemoeatu, and has rare athleticism for a 7th rounder-UFA prospect. The main knock on him is that he doesn't have much experience, so he could be a diamond in the rough for us.

Another DT I like is Mike DeVito another late round-UFA run stuffer prospect. Any thoughts on Leonard?

eaglesalltheway

03-19-2007, 07:22 AM

Sure, why not.

ihatephilly

03-23-2007, 06:04 AM

NFLCountdown website has the Eagles taking Troy Smith in the 3rd round in their mock draft. That couldn't be further then what will really happen. If they draft him I will become a Houston Texans fan.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockround3.html

bsaza2358

03-23-2007, 03:08 PM

eaglesalltheway

03-23-2007, 05:22 PM

Kolb will most likely be gone by the fifth round, maybe even the third or fourth, a lot of other teams like him as well, but I agree, I don't want Smith, and would prefer Kolb in any situation.

cunningham06

03-23-2007, 06:02 PM

eaglesalltheway

03-23-2007, 06:53 PM

Then I would welcome you to the rather small group.

I think it is what, two or three?...

cunningham06

03-23-2007, 07:40 PM

I think it is what, two or three?...

Originally yes, America, Datchapin, and I, but now we have more we're closing in on about 8. Oh Baby!

Severe Punishment

03-23-2007, 08:32 PM

2nd round ILB Buster Davis or H.B. Blades ?

ihatephilly

03-24-2007, 04:52 AM

Agreed, ihate. First of all, Smith is not the type of QB the Eagles generally draft for development purposes. Usually, they're going for big, strong-armed kids. Smith is neither. I don't see Smith as a guy who could step in and win games for the Eagles. If they get anyone, I'd rather they use a 5th rounder on Kevin Kolb. He can wing it!

I really like Kolb. I wouldn't mind drafting Jordan Palmer in like the 5th. Give him 2-3 years to learn and develop. Some risk with him but he is Carson's brother, and he's huge. Almost 6-6. But I could really see Andy Reid going with John Beck from BYU for numerous reasons.

ihatephilly

03-24-2007, 05:08 AM

Then I would welcome you to the rather small group.

You guys do have Demeco Ryans. That guy is a beast. But your FO is not very good. I could see them drafting someone totally off the wall with the 10th pick. They make the worst decisions. Its like they have one of those Magic 8-balls to make all their hard decisions.

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we take Reggie Bush or Vince Young? "My sources say no."

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we give David Carr a $8M extension? "Without a doubt."

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we trade the the 8th pick(aka Adrian Peterson), and both our 2nd round picks for the next two years for an unproven QB? Reply hazy, try again. Damn! Is 5 seconds long enough?

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we trade the the 8th pick(aka Adrian Peterson), and both our 2nd round picks for the next two years for an unproven QB? Most likely.

Well, I'm convinced.

Sorry I have serious problems when it comes to the stupidity of teams like the Texans and Lions. No team is perfect but come on, they are terrible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

dawkinsX

03-24-2007, 10:04 AM

I think they will draft Patrick Willis, Paul Pusluzny, Jon Beason, Brandon Merriweather, or Michael Griffin in the first round.

eaglesalltheway

03-24-2007, 11:02 AM

2nd round ILB Buster Davis or H.B. Blades ?

I am not really a big fan of either, but if I had to pick one, it would be Blades.

eaglesalltheway

03-24-2007, 11:06 AM

I think they will draft Patrick Willis, Paul Pusluzny, Jon Beason, Brandon Merriweather, or Michael Griffin in the first round.

Or Timmons maybe. I doubt Willis will be around for our pick, he is a top 10 or 15 pick after his 40. But either of those guys are a possibility this is the order of the Eagles big board as I see it. This is a guess, so I may be off.

1. Willis
2. Griffin
3. Posluszny
4. Timmons
5. Beason
6. Meriweather.

Meriweather is a little undersized and is more suited for the FS role, so I doubt he is as close to the top. That big board is the guys that could realistically be around for our pick. Otherwise, Landry would be up there at #1.

eaglesalltheway

03-24-2007, 11:08 AM

I really like Kolb. I wouldn't mind drafting Jordan Palmer in like the 5th. Give him 2-3 years to learn and develop. Some risk with him but he is Carson's brother, and he's huge. Almost 6-6. But I could really see Andy Reid going with John Beck from BYU for numerous reasons.

I could see Beck as a late round possibility as well. There is the obvious BYU connection, but the Eagles, when they draft project QBs, usually draft the ones with big arms, and Beck can throw the ball farther than anyone in this draft besides Russell.

cunningham06

03-24-2007, 04:25 PM

You guys do have Demeco Ryans. That guy is a beast. But your FO is not very good. I could see them drafting someone totally off the wall with the 10th pick. They make the worst decisions. Its like they have one of those Magic 8-balls to make all their hard decisions.

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we take Reggie Bush or Vince Young? "My sources say no."

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we give David Carr a $8M extension? "Without a doubt."

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we trade the the 8th pick(aka Adrian Peterson), and both our 2nd round picks for the next two years for an unproven QB? Reply hazy, try again. Damn! Is 5 seconds long enough?

Shake Shake Shake....

Should we trade the the 8th pick(aka Adrian Peterson), and both our 2nd round picks for the next two years for an unproven QB? Most likely.

Well, I'm convinced.

Sorry I have serious problems when it comes to the stupidity of teams like the Texans and Lions. No team is perfect but come on, they are terrible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

Up until this offseason, they were really improving though. Apart from the Mario over Vince in the first round of the draft, we had an excellent draft. Then we release some key players, get rid of our second round pick this year and next, switch 1st rounders with Atlanta for a qb who isn't proven at all. I would refute your claim that the FO for the Texans are morons if I could, but I can't.

cunningham06

03-24-2007, 04:26 PM

2nd round ILB Buster Davis or H.B. Blades ?

I prefer Davis, but that's just me.

eaglesalltheway

03-25-2007, 09:49 AM

bsaza2358

03-26-2007, 09:43 AM

Up until this offseason, they were really improving though. Apart from the Mario over Vince in the first round of the draft, we had an excellent draft. Then we release some key players, get rid of our second round pick this year and next, switch 1st rounders with Atlanta for a qb who isn't proven at all. I would refute your claim that the FO for the Texans are morons if I could, but I can't.

I always argued that I believed Mario Williams was the best combination of potential, reasonable signability, and instant impact of anyone in the 2006 draft. That is why he was taken there. Reggie Bush would have struggled running behind that OLine. Vince Young would have been obliterated more than Carr was. Williams will be fine, and the Texans will be okay.

bsaza2358

03-26-2007, 09:44 AM

I hate to be the big bully, but as Team Leader, I have to ask you to not discuss Houston's front office and such in the Eagles draft forum any further. Please start a thread in the Houston forum. Thanks.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 03:09 PM

Back to the Eagles Draft...

bhaarat316

03-26-2007, 06:01 PM

The clearest pick for the eagles would be griffin but with the eagles you never know what the hell they will do, i mean did any one see them picking a DT in the first last year, i knew they were goin to get a DT but not like bunkley

I see them getting a S in the second or third and maybe a lb in the first or like D line men even though we drafted one in the first round 2 years in a row

THem EAGLES SURES are CRAZZZY

jonbrodo17

03-26-2007, 06:08 PM

i want the best defensive player available, why does mel kiper have us taking Steve Smith?

bsaza2358

03-26-2007, 06:09 PM

bsaza2358

03-26-2007, 06:10 PM

i want the best defensive player available, why does mel kiper have us taking Steve Smith?

Mel Kiper is a douche. His opinions and analysis regarding mock drafts are poor. His talent evaluations are really not too bad, and his work on college football during the season is actually very good. I don't trust his mock drafts for anything. Todd McShay of Scouts Inc. is better, but he's also a little flawed.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 06:15 PM

There is no clear pick for the Eagles. They have several key needs (run stuffing DT, LB, and safety) and several iffy needs (TE, WR, DE, and CB depth). They also need some more OT depth. They will either move up to get the BPA, will take BPA at their spot, or trade back. If they take Griffin, it will be because he was BPA. If they don't, I'm on board as well. I trust Heckert's scouting department completely.

I'm not mocking your explanation there or anything, but teams have to either move upto get the BPA, stay to get the BPA, or trade back. I though that was a little funny. I doubt our FO considers DT a "key need". We took care of DT already with Reagor, and our defense relies on one-gap DTsnot big run-stuffers that can play two gap technique. It would be nice to get one to use in our rotation. I beleive our only truly "key needs" are at LB and SS. Secondary needs are at CB depth, TE, RB, DT and DE, with the least important needs being at QB (3rd string) and O line depth. With very little need at all in terms of our WRs.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 06:17 PM

Mel Kiper is a douche. His opinions and analysis regarding mock drafts are poor. His talent evaluations are really not too bad, and his work on college football during the season is actually very good. I don't trust his mock drafts for anything. Todd McShay of Scouts Inc. is better, but he's also a little flawed.

Remember the rules, we are not allowed to make fun of Kiper, he is the god of mock drafts. (Smirk) You are right, I don't rely on his mock drafts, Todd McShay is more reliable, but he is by no means perfect either.

bsaza2358

03-26-2007, 06:27 PM

McShay is way too concerned about projectables and numbers and not on team draft trends and GM preferences. He over-relies on analysis and doesn't think through the impact some of these picks will have. The result is that he's more accurate than Kiper, but way less on target than he should be.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 06:31 PM

Kiper thinks less about draft needs and relies more on his knowledge of the player than his team as well, that is why he had us going WR, QB in the first two rounds.

bhaarat316

03-26-2007, 06:40 PM

No one is perfect at calling a draft, hell anyone can like make up a draft and be close if use a little common sence like they have this need and that, and this team take the BPA

u know and u can have a decent draft without out being a so called expert

ohh and that thing about trusting the office u have to trust them i guess but since like West what A grade draft picks have we had actually i think that was our only really good year with Lewis, Sheldon, and Lito and West
and then in 04 i think it was Andrews after Mcnabb we have not drafted taht many great players

jonbrodo17

03-26-2007, 06:49 PM

I trust the office on Free Agents, but there have been so many poor draft picks like Jerome McDougle and Barry Gardner to name 2 off the top of my head that i don't trust them with drafts. Yes they had that great lito, sheldon, lewis, westbrook draft but overall I just can't trust them

cunningham06

03-26-2007, 09:00 PM

I'm not mocking your explanation there or anything, but teams have to either move upto get the BPA, stay to get the BPA, or trade back. I though that was a little funny. I doubt our FO considers DT a "key need". We took care of DT already with Reagor, and our defense relies on one-gap DTsnot big run-stuffers that can play two gap technique. It would be nice to get one to use in our rotation. I beleive our only truly "key needs" are at LB and SS. Secondary needs are at CB depth, TE, RB, DT and DE, with the least important needs being at QB (3rd string) and O line depth. With very little need at all in terms of our WRs.

That's why he said run stuffing DT. We don't need any more pass rushing DT's almost all of ours are 1 gap DT's, we have no true 2 gap DT's. Rayburn is about as close as we've got. In situations where we know they are going to run we need to get a massive DT in there, like in the Saints game. Our goal line defense would also be better off with a big DT. It is a key need, it is very important, but we aren't going to address it day 1. Good situational run-stuffers can be had late day 2. My dream situation would be for us to take Louis Leonard out of Fresno State, as I have already typed out his strengths and weaknesses in the 2007 draft forum. Just thinking about 352 pounds at DT for us is amazing.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 09:11 PM

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 09:16 PM

cunningham06

03-26-2007, 09:21 PM

I was saying we need one as well, but our FO doesn't view it that way. They like the 1 gap DTs more than two gappers. I think Bunkley is the closest thing we have to w two gap DT, but Rayburn is second. I still doubt we draft another DT, even though we just traded away Walker, but we may use Rayburn as trade bait and then get a guy like Louis Leonard. I agree with both of you, we do need a Big DT, but our FO doesn't view it like that, and they are the ones who are making the picks.

I don't know I seem to remember Andy Reid was quite frustrated after the Saints game and as we all know we don't have any huge bodies. I agree our scheme is built for 1 gap DT's, but we need one who can tie up blockers to diversify our defense. Bunkley's close to 2-gap, but he's a great penetrator though, he seems to be a hybrid of both with his blend of speed and strength.

cunningham06

03-26-2007, 09:22 PM

With the acqisition of Spikes, I think Safety is almost a guaranteed lock for the first round for us now. I still think we will draft an LB early, but not in the first round anymore. Michael Griffin, you are going to be an Eagle! (Hopefully)

If he's there when we pick, he's a lock I hope. There's a chance though that some team has him as their #2 safety over Nelson, but lets hope he's still there.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 09:58 PM

I actually think it is possible we trade up to ensure we get Griffin now, maybe into the early twenties? I know it is hard to find a trading partner, but we always seem to find a way to do it.

bhaarat316

03-26-2007, 09:59 PM

Yeah Reid might be angry after the saints game but they are not really doing much of fixing but singing another 1 gap DT or in a DE body, Regor, unless they are thinking of moving him to DE and like playing with 3 DTs and 1 De on the line.

eaglesalltheway

03-26-2007, 10:02 PM

jefepowhnzer

03-27-2007, 02:12 AM

I think that most Eagles fans would agree that Griffin is the man if he is available at the Eagles pick, but if Griffin is off the board what do you think the Eagles will do? I ask because I don't see any clear cut answer. For that reason do you think the Eagles will trade up to ensure the pick of Griffin?

If the Eagles stay put I would like to see them draft Revis, if available, or Houston. Simply for the reason of pushing James and Hanson. With the addition of Spikes I think there is only a slight need at LB in the first, at best. I'm having trouble justifying a first round pick on a DT simply because of the youth and potential (specifically Bunkley) at the position. It almost seems like a Griffin or bust situation. Anybody agree or disagree?

eaglesalltheway

03-27-2007, 07:26 AM

It is almost a Griffin or bust, but I wouldn't put it like that. There are plenty of ASfeties in this year's draft that would be great as a SS in our defense that we could get in the second or even third round. We could get Weddle, Wendling, Rouse (Not a big fan of his though) in the second or Piscatelli or Stone in the thrid or later. We have a lot of options in this draft. If we stay put and Griifin is gone, I think we go after the best LB available, even though we just sugned Spikes. Trotter and Spikes are both near the end of their careers, so another LB to groom for the future would be good. Whether it be a MIKE to replace Trotter, or a WILL LB to rplace Gaither when he moves into Trotter's stpot. Personally, I think we could get some very good MLBs in the second or third round, and Gaither is perfectly suited for our WILL, so I say we go after a MIKE in the draft, unless our FO wnts Spikes there and is planning on cutting Trotter, but I doubt that.

bhaarat316

03-27-2007, 02:26 PM

Also for safety Merriweather, more of a FS but he was moved around quite a bit and can play cb, u know just throwing him in the mix

bhaarat316

03-27-2007, 02:28 PM

well no need for developmental qb this draft maybe next one

eaglesalltheway

03-27-2007, 02:36 PM

That is one of the main reasons I liked this trade so much. We took care of two positions of need, without needing to fill another. Granted we all would like to see the FO get a big 320 lb+ DT, but how realistic do you think that is now? We have Patterson, Bunkley, Rayburn, Ramsey, and Reagor. I don't think our FO will draft another DT, unless we trade one away. I think if we would not have been able to trade Walker, he would have been cut anyway, so that is another reason I like this move.