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nfrillman
03-24-2008, 04:00 PM
I saw someone mention that a thread about draft grades from further back should be made, so here is a 2005 draft grade thread. Grades are based on the value of the player in relation to where he was drafted.

2005
1 19 19 Alex Barron T ..................There are mixed feelings about him among Rams fans, but he is a solid OT and may perform better on the left side in years to come, B
2 18 50 Ronald Bartell DB ..............I am a big fan of Bartell, a CB with great size and athleticism. He will challenge Brown for the starting spot next year, B
3 2 66 Oshiomogho Atogwe DB ......Should have made the probowl, he will become one of the elite safeties in the league, A+
3 17 81 Richie Incognito C ............Pick was questioned at the time, took a couple seasons to see the field, but when healthy he is a force, B
4 16 117 Jerome Carter DB ...........Was a decent backup safety for a couple years, but ultimately he provided the Rams very little, D-
4 33 134 Claude Terrell G .............Looked to have a solid future with the Rams, health, conditioning, and character issues (woman beater) derailed that, F
5 8 144 Jerome Collins TE ............One of many TE's the Rams have drafted recently, never did much, F
6 18 192 Dante Ridgeway WR .......Some were high on him as a sleeper, but never developed, F
6 36 210 Reggie Hodges P ...........Started for a year, wasn't very good, but did start, D
7 36 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB .......Very good 3rd stringer, successfully lost the Rams 5 draft spots in a comeback win against the Texans, but he did decent when in, B-
7 37 251 Madison Hedgecock RB ..Superbowl champion.....for the wrong team, I still wonder the rationale behind releasing him, great pick but no longer on team, A

All in all I'd give this draft a a C. It produced four solid starters in Barron, Incognito, Atogwe, and Hedgecock; a great depth CB who will challenge for starting spot in Bartell; a solid 2nd/3rd string QB in the 7th rd; but it also had 5 guys who did nothing or next to nothing in the NFL.

YAYareaRB
03-24-2008, 04:10 PM
49ers - F+.. hahaha no for real though

1st Round - Alex Smith. 4 Offenses.. 4 Teachers.. 4 years.. 1 ALRIGHT year. Ruling still out because the 49ers still fail to surround him with good lineman for the protection. Everything else is there. Hopefully Mike Martz will get him back on track.

Grade - N/A

2 Round - David Baas. Been really solid and is looking to move into a starting role next season. I think this was a good pick by the 49ers.

Grade - B-

3rd Round - Frank Gore. Been great for us thus far and really the steal of the draft, IMO. Already has the 49ers rushing records and one of the best running backs in the game right now. If it weren't for the college injuries, would've been a sure fire 1st round pick.

Grade - A+

4th Round - Adam Snyder. One of the most decorated lineman in University of Oregon history. I really liked the guy coming out of school. Might be able to the crack at least a back up role on the depth chart with the departure of Kwame Harris and Joe Staley to Left Tackle.

Grade - C+

5th Round - Ronald Fields. Alright pick. Career Back up IMO. Much would rather had Trent Cole(Cinci) DE/OLB to play in the 3-4 but hey, that's how the hand was dealt.

Grade - C

5th Round - Rasheed Marshall. Not even in the NFL anymore. Converted QB to WR. Never really got to see him play.

Grade - F

6th Round - Derrick Johnson. Cornerback. I didn't understand this pick but whatev. He's on the dolphins now.

Grade - D

7th Round - Daven Holly.. BLEH! He's on the browns.

Grade - D

7th Round - Marcus Maxwell. I thought this guy woulda been a steal. He tore the NFL Europe up last season. I believe he's on the Bengals.

Grade - C

7th Round - Billy Bajema. Been solid for us. Great blocker at TE. One of the fan favorites I believe. Good value for a 7th rounder.

Grade - B-

7th Round - Patrick Estes. Was a TE in college and converted to LT in the NFL. Good pick up but never got his shot. On the Bills.

Grade - D

Overall Grade: B-

JK17
03-24-2008, 04:20 PM
Chargers 2005 Draft

Round 1, Pick 12:Shawne Merriman, OLB
Grade: A+
If not the most dominant 3-4 OLB in the NFL, then he's at least the second or third, already at this point in his career. Regardless, he's an elite player at his position, and the only blemish on his record has been the failed nandralone test, which, bad publicity or not, has not stopped him from being dominant on the field.

Round 1, Pick 28:Luis Castillo, DE
Grade: A-
Castillo has been an ideal 3-4 DE when healthy, however he has battled injury problems, which is why I gave an A- as opposed to an A. A great player who can be dominant when everything is working for him.

Round 2, Pick 61: Vincent Jackson, WR
Grade: B
Always on the verge of breaking out, Jackson has had two "solid" years as primarily a #2 WR. He broke out strong in the postseason but for now, I'd call him a borderline B, ranging anywhere from a B- to a B+ depending on which stretch your looking at.

Round 4, Pick 130: Darren Sproles, RB
Grade: B+
For where he was drafted Sproles is a great pick. He's a top return specialist, and as an alternate back he provides a lot of explosiveness as was seen in the playoffs and Detroit game this year. Time will tell if he can ever be a complete #2 back, but thats unlikely. Not bad for where he was drafted though.

Round 5, Pick 164: Wesley Britt, OT
Grade: F
I don't even know where he is now, but I do know he didn't do anything with San Diego. Doesn't do much good for us.

Round 6, Pick 177: Wes Sims, OT
Grade: F
Did absolutely nothing with the Chargers. Hard to give anything but an F.

Round 7, Pick 242 Scott Mrucszkowski, OL
Grade: B
Was just resigned, gives depth at multiple O-Line positions for us, nad is an adequate backup. He may not be a superstar, but for a seventh rounder, a role player like that is pretty good value.

Overall: A-
You could probably make a case for an A but the draft is very top heavy. Merriman, Castillo, Jackson, and Sproles are great picks, but the fifth and sixth round guys just dropped off the Chargers. The value on Mruczkwoski in the seventh, is why I went with an A- instead of a B+

SaintsFanForLife
03-24-2008, 04:24 PM
Chargers 2005 Draft

Round 1, Pick 12:Shawne Merriman, OLB
Grade: A+
If not the most dominant 3-4 OLB in the NFL, then he's at least the second or third, already at this point in his career. Regardless, he's an elite player at his position, and the only blemish on his record has been the failed nandralone test, which, bad publicity or not, has not stopped him from being dominant on the field.

Round 1, Pick 28:Luis Castillo, DE
Grade: A-
Castillo has been an ideal 3-4 DE when healthy, however he has battled injury problems, which is why I gave an A- as opposed to an A. A great player who can be dominant when everything is working for him.

Round 2, Pick 61: Vincent Jackson, WR
Grade: B
Always on the verge of breaking out, Jackson has had two "solid" years as primarily a #2 WR. He broke out strong in the postseason but for now, I'd call him a borderline B, ranging anywhere from a B- to a B+ depending on which stretch your looking at.

Round 4, Pick 130: Darren Sproles, RB
Grade: B+
For where he was drafted Sproles is a great pick. He's a top return specialist, and as an alternate back he provides a lot of explosiveness as was seen in the playoffs and Detroit game this year. Time will tell if he can ever be a complete #2 back, but thats unlikely. Not bad for where he was drafted though.

Round 5, Pick 164: Wesley Britt, OT
Grade: F
I don't even know where he is now, but I do know he didn't do anything with San Diego. Doesn't do much good for us.

Round 6, Pick 177: Wes Sims, OT
Grade: F
Did absolutely nothing with the Chargers. Hard to give anything but an F.

Round 7, Pick 242 Scott Mrucszkowski, OL
Grade: B
Was just resigned, gives depth at multiple O-Line positions for us, nad is an adequate backup. He may not be a superstar, but for a seventh rounder, a role player like that is pretty good value.

Overall: A-
You could probably make a case for an A but the draft is very top heavy. Merriman, Castillo, Jackson, and Sproles are great picks, but the fifth and sixth round guys just dropped off the Chargers. The value on Mruczkwoski in the seventh, is why I went with an A- instead of a B+

Charges had one of the best drafts in 2005 I give them an (A)

Lloyd Braun
03-24-2008, 04:25 PM
Chargers 2005 Draft


You could probably make a case for an A but the draft is very top heavy. Merriman, Castillo, Jackson, and Sproles are great picks, but the fifth and sixth round guys just dropped off the Chargers. The value on Mruczkwoski in the seventh, is why I went with an A- instead of a B+

Don't sell yourself short. You got an all-pro, two other solid starters (Castillo is border-line pro bowler), and Sproles. Can't hit on every pick, but you hit on the ones that matter. That's an A+!

DI
03-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Giants 2005 Draft Review
*Note no 1st Round Pick due to the trade for Eli Manning*

2nd Round Pick, 43rd Overall: CB Corey Webster, LSU
Grade: C+/B-

- Corey fell to Round 2 after an injury plauged junior year the previous year but still was a quality pick in the 2nd. Though he regressed a little bit this year, he showed what he is fully capable of by being our best cover man in our Super Bowl run. Tempted to give a B but i have to see the good play continue over a course of time, not just over a 4 week period.

Round 3, 74th Overall: DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
Grade: A+

- Steal of the draft. Tuck has been in the shadows of Strahan and Osi over the past couple of years but has shown he has incredible talent when given the chance and he got his chance this year and was an absolute beast. Showed that he can not only be a force at defensive end, but can play inside as well. A great pick by Accorsi and a future Pro Bowler for many years to come.

Round 4, 110th Overall: RB Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois
Grade: A

- Another huge steal. A bruiser of a feature back with break away speed as well. Was a force this year when healthy and given the ball. Having Ahmad Bradshaw and Derrick Ward now will only help to keep him healthy and I expect Jacobs to be in the Top 10 in rushing yards and touchdowns next year, if not pushing for the Top 5. A beast. Quick note though. I believe 3 picks earlier, Dallas grabbed Marion Barber III. Not like me to compliment Dallas, but hell of a pick because if you didn't grab him, he'd be in Big Blue right now.

Round 6, 186 Overall: DE Eric Moore, Florida St.
Grade: D-

- Never made an impact with the Giants. Was always a backup/injured as was eventually let go. I believe he is currently with the Rams and actually worked himself into the rotation this past season.

Overall, I give this draft a B+/A. I believe Webster will continue his good play and eventually be the 3rd steal of this draft for us and I believe that we landed 2 top 10 players at their position in Tuck and Jacobs. We also got Eli Manning with that 1st round pick in the trade so you can't argue that. Great draft that has set us up very well for the future.

BamaFalcon59
03-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Atlanta Falcons

1- 27: Roddy White, WR Alabama Birmingham- A
Not a A plus, because he struggled in his first two in NFL years with catching the football, although he did manage to get open a lot. Had over 80 receptions, 1,200 receiving yards, and 6 touchdown receptions in a year where Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman were his quarterbacks. Baby Terrell Owens. Great size, power, and ability to make plays although he still drops a few too many balls. Great deep threat. Now seems like a great pick and should stay one with improved quarterback play.

2- 59: Jonathan Babineaux, UT Iowa- B plus
This grade may seem a bit high because I like him a bit more than others, but the guy is a playmaker. Makes a lot of plays in the backfield, even if he has not registered a lot of sacks thus far in his career. Chases down ball carriers from behind on sweeps and counters, and plays the screen game very well. I like him a lot and him getting reduced playing time is the only negative to drafting Glenn Dorsey.

3- 90: Jordan Beck, MLB Cal Poly- D-
While being a fan favorite and an athletic freak, Beck really did not do much while with the Falcons before being cut in the Bobby Petrino era. Was a nice special teams player, that is all.

4- 128: Chauncey Davis, DE Florida State- B
Another player I like. While stout and not too athletic, Davis does his job stuffing the run. He generally stays at home and does not over pursue, and makes a lot of plays at the line of scrimmage. Gets only a couple of sacks a year but really is a nice role player on the team.

5- 160: Michael Boley, LB Southern Miss- A plus
Amazing player. Started since his rookie year because of Ed Hartwell being injury prone. His second year was solid but he did not make many big plays. This year he was a playmaker, collecting three sacks, two interceptions, and over 100 tackles from the strong side linebacker position. For those who don't know, that is the most difficult linebacker position to make plays at. Fast, instinctive, powerful, and a ballhawk. Was barely 6'3" 230 coming out of college, now is a fast and athletic 6'3" 240-245. Needs to become more consistent. One of the best in the league.

5- 163: Frank Omiyale, OT Tennessee Tech.- D-
Provided depth for a few years before being released. Was probably never a great fit for Alex Gibbs zone blocking scheme.

6- 201: DeAndre Cobb, RB Michigan State- D-
Fast player who could make some plays on kick returns but we had Allen Rossum. Wish we had him now for a kick returner. Might get tackled at the 15 at times but would at least bring it to the 50 or for a touchdown on occasion.

7- 241: Darrell Shropshire, DT South Carolina- C
Played well for us for a couple years, and many thought he would be the long term starter at defensive nose tackle. Unfortuneately he lost favor and was cut. Still started some games for us and provided depth in others.

Overall, I would say a B plus. We missed on some picks, but Roddy and Boley are the top players on their respective side of the ball on the team, Babineaux is very good, Chauncey Davis is a very good roleplayer, and Shropshire gave us some solid play. Probably the best draft Rich McKay had for us, unless our latest one turns out very good.

buckeyes12
03-24-2008, 04:43 PM
Giants 2005 draft

1st Round: Traded pick to San Diego (Superbowl MVP Eli Manning trade)
2nd: Corey Webster; started slow but really picked up his game this year
3rd: Justin Tuck; deserves every penny of hefty entension. 10 sacks and had his best game in super bowl 42
4th: Brandon Jacobs; starting runningback, huge, and making his way into to leagues top backs
5th: no pick
6th: Eric Moore; Defensive end who im not sure is still on the team..
7th: no pick

Bottom Line: although no 1st, 5th or 7th round picks, Accorsi had one of his best drafts by picking 3 very good players who were all very important in their run to the superbowl.

Grade: A-

buckeyes12
03-24-2008, 04:44 PM
ah u beat me to it DI, and put alot more effort into the post i see. good work

Billingsley26
03-24-2008, 04:47 PM
The Bills 2005 draft was absolutely nothing to get excited about. Rosco Parrish was our first pick of the draft and he has been an average WR, and been a great PR. We also had Kevin Everitt. That was about it.

fenikz
03-24-2008, 04:53 PM
1. Antrel Rolle - C - He had a good year last year and has shown a lot of potential but as most of us thought he needed to be moved to FS and now that h is ther ei expect a huge year

2. J.J. Arrington - F - He is used as a 3rd down back, a complete waste of a pick depending on the type of RB we draft I think he will be cut

3. Eric Green - B+ - Our starting CB, one of the hardest hitting corners in the league really looked good last year and should be a very soldi corner through out his career

3b. Darryl Blackstock - D- - He was only used as a rush linebacker and left though FA never really impressed and didn't get much playing time

4. Elton Brown - C - He is a good quality depth guy and for being selected in the 4th i should probably grade him higher but I expected a lot from him

5. Lance Mitchell - F- - ...who?

7. LeRon McCoy - C+ - I have always loved this guy, felt he could be a great slot receiver of course we were stocked at WR so he never got his shot, not sure where he is now but he has alot of talent and eventually i think someone will let him show it

Overall - C-

BamaFalcon59
03-24-2008, 05:03 PM
3. Eric Green - B+ - Our starting CB, one of the hardest hitting corners in the league really looked good last year and should be a very soldi corner through out his career


That is a Virginia Tech. player for you.


3b. Darryl Blackstock - D- - He was only used as a rush linebacker and left though FA never really impressed and didn't get much playing time

4. Elton Brown - C - He is a good quality depth guy and for being selected in the 4th i should probably grade him higher but I expected a lot from him



Those are some Virginia players for you.

SMoore
03-24-2008, 05:15 PM
Round 1 Pick 7 - Troy Williamson

F

Just a huge bust an exlplenation isn't necessary.


Round 1 Pick 18 - Erasmus James

C

Has been injury prone but at least starts when he is healthy.

Round 2 Pick 49 - Marcus Johnson

C

Hasn't really lived up to expectations but is an ok backup.

Round 3 Pick 80 - Dustin Fox

F

Played one season for the vikes and didn't see the field. A wasted pick.

Round 4 Pick 112 - Ciatrick Fason

D-

Was the goal-line back for a small time but didn't really make any impact.

Round 6 Pick 191 - C.J. Mosley

C

Started two games his rookie year and then went on to the Jets where he was pretty succesful this last year.

Round 7 Pick 219 - Adrian Ward

F

Didn't stick with the team and is out of football.



Overall F

Just a horrible draft for the vikings. Didn't get any impact players and only one starter after getting a first round pick for Randy Moss.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Skins:
2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)- B
Shows a lot of promise to be a good #1 CB, good but inconsistent at times. One of the better physical corners in the league, but will get beat sometimes in man coverage. Has good ball skills in terms of locating balls and knocking them down, but has hands of stone, can't get an INT to save their life. Had a major injury last year but he hopes to come back come training camp.
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)-B
Grade could easily be higher if he becomes that Franchise QB he looks to be, great pick considering he is a late first rounder. Huge cannon, 6-5", decently mobile, his biggest question is reading defenses and understanding offensive schemes, although it's hard for him because including high school the past 7 years, he has had 7 different offensive coordinators.
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)-F
Bleh, waste of pick. Tore his knee up a couple years ago, more like a very poor man's Rock Cartwright.
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)-D
Didn't really do anything but he was such a beast, did some things in special teams but that's it. He is built like the thing, but is very stiff.
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)-F
Don't think he even made the team.
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)-D
I liked him. Very hard runner, thick lower body, but on this roster it was too hard for him to make the roster.

Billingsley26
03-24-2008, 05:23 PM
New England on the other hand had a great draft.

Logan Mankins- Premier Guard in the NFL right now.
Ellis Hobbs- Great #2 CB. I dont think he is #1 CB material yet, but will be forced to step up next year.
Nick Kaczur- Loved the pick beause hes from Brantford Ont, Solid Starting LT, but probably would be better as a guard. Struggled at times, such as late this year. Still better than a lot.
James Sanders- Underrated DB, who has shown quite a bit. Will get more and more time as the years go on. I like what he can become.
Ryan Claridge- Scrub.
Matt Cassell- Decent backup. Has played well at times, and horrid at others.
Andy Stokes- Scrub.

Pretty good draft.

PackerLegend
03-24-2008, 05:24 PM
1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB- N/A, hasnt seen the field much because of Favre. He has looked better and better every year and looks like he is finally ready. We will find out this year.

2 51 Nick Collins S- B-/B, had a promising rookie year but hasnt really grown much since then. He is a pretty solid player nothing great but he is still young.

2 58 Terrence Murphy WR- N/A, A bad hit ended his career just when it had starter. He looked like he was going to be a great player and im ashamed he never got to play.

4 115 Marviel Underwood S- F/D-, Always looked like he had talent in practice and the coaches were high on him. He ended up busting his knee and then he was cut, brought back and cut again.

4 125 Brady Poppinga OLB- B+/A-, Has been a solid player since the get go. Even after tearing his ACL he has made a comeback and is a solid hardworking player. Nothing amazing but a good player.

5 143 Junius Coston C- B, he was our start for part of the year and did a pretty good job before getting hurt.

5 167 Michael Hawkins CB- F, didnt have much of a frame, coaches liked him at times but he never paned out.

6 180 Mike Montgomery DE- C, still with the team gets to backup Kampman and has begon to see more of the field, when Kampman needs a break.

7 245 Kurt Campbell S- F, think he was converted to a LB but he is a failure

7 246 William Whitticker OG- D, started an entire year for us if I remember right but now he is gone.


Overall Id probably give it a C. We got a couple good players out of it Collins, Poppinga, Coston, Montgomery. Lost a promising player in Murphy, but it all rests on Aaron Rodgers.... He could really make this draft a succesful one if he plays well or just an OK one if he doesnt.

BaLLiN
03-24-2008, 05:33 PM
Giants 2005 Draft Review
*Note no 1st Round Pick due to the trade for Eli Manning*

2nd Round Pick, 43rd Overall: CB Corey Webster, LSU
Grade: C+/B-

- Corey fell to Round 2 after an injury plauged junior year the previous year but still was a quality pick in the 2nd. Though he regressed a little bit this year, he showed what he is fully capable of by being our best cover man in our Super Bowl run. Tempted to give a B but i have to see the good play continue over a course of time, not just over a 4 week period.

Round 3, 74th Overall: DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
Grade: A+

- Steal of the draft. Tuck has been in the shadows of Strahan and Osi over the past couple of years but has shown he has incredible talent when given the chance and he got his chance this year and was an absolute beast. Showed that he can not only be a force at defensive end, but can play inside as well. A great pick by Accorsi and a future Pro Bowler for many years to come.

Round 4, 110th Overall: RB Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois
Grade: A

- Another huge steal. A bruiser of a feature back with break away speed as well. Was a force this year when healthy and given the ball. Having Ahmad Bradshaw and Derrick Ward now will only help to keep him healthy and I expect Jacobs to be in the Top 10 in rushing yards and touchdowns next year, if not pushing for the Top 5. A beast. Quick note though. I believe 3 picks earlier, Dallas grabbed Marion Barber III. Not like me to compliment Dallas, but hell of a pick because if you didn't grab him, he'd be in Big Blue right now.

Round 6, 186 Overall: DE Eric Moore, Florida St.
Grade: D-

- Never made an impact with the Giants. Was always a backup/injured as was eventually let go. I believe he is currently with the Rams and actually worked himself into the rotation this past season.

Overall, I give this draft a B+/A. I believe Webster will continue his good play and eventually be the 3rd steal of this draft for us and I believe that we landed 2 top 10 players at their position in Tuck and Jacobs. We also got Eli Manning with that 1st round pick in the trade so you can't argue that. Great draft that has set us up very well for the future.

looking back at it, thats a really good draft actually, basically because of Tuck and Jacobs, but Webster has reimmerged as a possible starter in my mind

Cashmoney
03-24-2008, 05:34 PM
1) Pacman- D
2) Michael Roos- A
3a) Courtney Roby- F
3b) B. Jones- C
4a) Vince Fuller- C-
4b) David Stewart- B+
4c) Roydell Williams- C
5a) Damien Nash- F
5b) Daniel Loper- C-
6) Bo Scaife- B
7) Reynaldo Hill- C

Overall= C+

BamaFalcon59
03-24-2008, 05:38 PM
1) Pacman- D
2) Michael Roos- A
3a) Courtney Roby- F
3b) B. Jones- C
4a) Vince Fuller- C-
4b) David Stewart- B+
4c) Roydell Williams- C
5a) Damien Nash- F
5b) Daniel Loper- C-
6) Bo Scaife- B
7) Reynaldo Hill- C

Overall= C+

I would give PacMan a higher grade than D, even with only playing two years for yall. Unfortuneately he had the potential to be an A plus.

Go_Eagles77
03-24-2008, 05:38 PM
Rd.1 pick 31 - DT Mike Patterson - (B+) - A very solid starter who is constantly improving, had a great 2007 season leading the NFL in tackles by DTs.
Rd.2 pick 35 - WR Reggie Brown - (C+) - Was once considered by eagles fans to be our #1 receiver for years to come, but has not looked any better than a #2/#3 option the past few years.
Rd.2 pick 63 - OLB Matt McCoy - (D-) - Was actually our starter at the beginning of last season but was horrible, was beat out by a UDFA this past year before the season started, last I saw he was cut by the saints.
Rd.3 pick 77 - RB Ryan Moats - (D) - Looked very promising his rookie season but hasn't showed anything since, probably would've been cut this past year but went on IR in preseason so he got to stick around, probably won't last another year.
Rd.4 pick 102 - S Sean Considine - (C+) - Was our starting SS last season before going on IR, but probably didn't deserve to be a starter, won't be anything more than a backup for the rest of his career.
Rd.4 pick 126 - OL Todd Herremans - (B+) - A very solid starter at LG for us but isn't great, might not be a career starter.
Rd.5 pick 146 - DE Trent Cole - (A+) - Is one of the premier young DEs in the league and was a great value pick, made the pro bowl this year, will be a cornerstone of our D for years to come.
Rd.5 pick 172 - OG Scott Young - (C) - Benched in the mid 40s, is a very solid backup for us but his time in Philly might be limited.
Rd.6 pick 211 - OT Calvin Armstrong - (F) - Have no idea where he is now, never did anything while he was here.
Rd.7 pick 247 - DT Keyonte Marshall - (F) - Cut early on.
Rd.7 pick 252 - LB David Bergeron - (F) - Cut early on.

Overall I'd give it a C+, A bunch of role players, of couple very solid starters, 1 superstar gem, and a few failures.

BeerBaron
03-24-2008, 05:49 PM
2005 - Bears

One of the few years they actually haven't done at least somewhat well recently.

1st round - pick 4 - RB Cedric Benson
Grade: D
So far he was an adequate compliment to Thomas Jones when we got to the SB but looked flat out awful when made the full time starter and then he got hurt.

2nd Round - pick 39 - WR Mark Bradely
Grade: D
Showed a few flashes of brilliance when healthy but so far that hasnt been often. With the losses of Berrian and Muhammad, hes going to have his best chance to contribute this upcoming year but so far, hes been an injury prone nobody.

4th Round - pick 106 - QB Kyle Orton
Grade: B
Did well enough as a rookie to win the Bears the division crown and has been, in my opinion, surpassed the expectations of your average 4th round QB. Has a 66% career winning % and did well enough at the end of last season to likely secure himself the best chance at being the opening day starter next year.

5th Round - pick 140 - WR Airese Curry
Grade: F
Was supposed to be a studly KR but was plagued by injuries. Thank god he wasnt healthy enough to give it a go or else the Bears might have never drafted Devin Hester.....

6th Round - pick 181 - S Chris Harris
Grade: C
Solid contributor and good backup for a few years. Traded away to Carolina for a 5th rounder where he looks like a decent starter.

7th Round - pick 220 - LB Rod Wilson
Grade: D
If i remember correctly, he was nothing more than a special teamer.

So there was a not so good year for the bears......light on defense, perhaps thats why.

GB12
03-24-2008, 05:50 PM
http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15932&highlight=2005

JJJ888
03-24-2008, 05:59 PM
1 (11) Demarcus Ware*, DE/OLB Troy State--A pro-bowler and defensive player of the year candidate who can rush the passer and play the run. Considered by many to be one of the top 15 players in the league today.

Grade: A+

1 (20) Marcus Spears, DE LSU--Hasn't developed quite into the force the Cowboys expected him to be when they spent this selection on Spears, but has remained a starter and a good run defender.

Grade: B

2 (41) Kevin Burnett, LB Tennessee--Although Burnett has yet to see the starting line-up (he may this season), he's proven a valuable contributor on the nickel defense and special teams.

Grade: A-

4 (109) Marion Barber, RB Minnesota--A Pro-Bowl running back who has earned a reputation for being one of the most hard-nosed football players in the league. I personally believe that Barber is a little overrated, but he still has proved to be a tremendous value for a 4th round pick.

Grade: A+

4 (132) Chris Canty, DE Virginia--A projected 1st rounder, pushed down by injury concerns who has turned into a valuable starter.

Grade: A

6 (208) Justin Beriault, FS Ball State--When he was able to play (very limited time in the preseason) Beriault showed great instincts and football IQ. I believe he would've made a solid starter and at least a top-notch special-teamer if he hadn't had the injury concerns.

Grade: Inc.

6 (209) Rob Petitti, OT Pittsburgh--A lineman who was forced to start 16 games his rookie season at RT, but was cut the following year. Limited by weight issues.

Grade: C

7 (224) Jay Ratliff, DL Auburn--Didn't really show up until this season, but proved to be a force as a nose tackle, enough so that he earned himself a nice contract extension this offseason.

Grade: A+

Overall: The Cowboys got 4 starters out of this draft (not counting significant role-players Barber and Burnett). Of the team's 8 picks, 6 are still on the team, with Beriault having his career shortened by injury. Any draft that can produce this many starters has to be considered a success, and one that yields two Pro-Bowlers including one top defensive player must be considered a draft for the ages.

Grade: A+

Eaglez.Fan
03-24-2008, 06:13 PM
I don't think a high second round pick deserves an A- for only ST.

bigbluedefense
03-24-2008, 06:17 PM
Everyone who killed us for the Eli trade pointed out how we lost out on Merriman failed to realize we drafted Tuck the same year Merriman came out. Had we had Merriman, we wouldn't have Tuck, and to be honest, id rather have Tuck.

Only bc we run a 4-3 and Tuck is better in the 4-3. The trade really worked out well for both of us.

757Dawg
03-24-2008, 06:20 PM
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1. Braylon Edwards
GRADE: A+
-- After dealing with injuries and sub-par (and that's putting it lightly) QB play through his first two seasons, things finally clicked for Braylon in '07 as he developed into a top tier WR, more or less rewriting the Browns receiving records in the process.

2. Brodney Pool
GRADE: C
-- Pool was drafted at only 20 years of age, so he was still relatively raw coming into the league. His rookie season consisted mostly of special teams and spotty appearances in the secondary, which was to be expected. In '06, with Brian Russell still blocking a starting safety spot, Pool saw action all over the secondary, even notching a few starts at CB. After Russell left as a free agent following the season, most Browns fans felt Pool would breakout as he was now virtually guaranteed a starting role. Unfortunately, he put together an uneventful and mediocre '07 season and is yet to develop into the player we envisioned him becoming when he was selected with the second pick of the 2nd round.

3. Charlie Frye
GRADE: F
-- After taking over for Trent Dilfer in '05, Frye looked like your typical rookie QB, but he did show some promise and hopes were marginally high for his sophomore season in '06. That never happened as 2006 was one of the most forgetful years in Browns history. It was painfully obvious that Frye was not going to be the future as he failed to develop in any facet of the game. Somehow, someway he managed to "win" the starting job to start the '07 season only to replaced by Derek Anderson in the first game before the end of the first half. Charlie Frye was arguably the worst QB the Browns have had since '99 and that is saying a hell of a lot. Definition of an "F" player.

4. Antonio Perkins
GRADE: F
-- The selection of Perkins came as quite a surprise to Browns fans as there were still a handful of quality linemen on the board to start the 4th round. During his collegiate career, Perkins had developed into a dangerous return man and it was expected that would be his primary role with the Browns. That never happened as UDFA Josh Cribbs locked down the KR job while Dennis Northcutt maintained the PR spot. Perkins never saw the field in '05 and was only active for 5 games in '06 before he was released for good.

5. David McMillan
GRADE: D-
-- McMillan still remains on the roster, which is rather puzzling. What's more puzzling is the fact he never manages to see any kind of significant playing time. It seems that McMillan has a great training camp/preseason every year, but is never heard of after the regular season kicks off.

6A. Nick Speegle
GRADE: F
-- Speegle appeared in several games during his rookie season, but has not seen the field since. I don't even know/care if he's still on the roster to be honest.

6B. Andrew Hoffman
GRADE: F
Hoffman, or "Kegger" as he was most commonly referred to as (arrested for stealing a keg in college), came into the league as a defensive lineman who had experience in the 3-4 under Al Groh. However, he was soon moved to OG and has never seen the field in his career.

7. Jon Dunn
GRADE: F
After a very productive collegiate career at VT, I was personally ecstatic when Dunn fell to the Browns in the 7th round. Not to mention Dunn is the only person of any kind of fame to come out of my old high school. Unfortunately, I don't believe Dunn ever made it off the practice squad and was released following the season.

OVERALL GRADE: B
-- Although nearly every one of our 8 picks was a miss, the fact that Braylon Edwards has become easily a top 5 NFL WR and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." It's quite the jump for just one player, but you have to take into account just who that one player is. Plus, the book is still not closed on Brodney Pool. With a vastly improved DL in '08, the play of the LBs should benefit tremendously, which in turn will improve the play of the DBs. In which case, a top tier, star talent in Edwards and above average starter in Pool is more than enough for me to give this draft a "B" despite the fact the 3rd-7th rounds were a complete and utter wash.

terribletowel39
03-24-2008, 06:28 PM
^^^
How do you have 5 F's, a D minus, and a C and still average a B. I would have loved for you to have been my teacher back in the day. And no Braylon doesn't warrant that big of a jump. He is good, like really good. but that should be an overall grade of like D/C- at most.

Yung Flippa
03-24-2008, 06:33 PM
Baltimore's 2005 Draft Class:

1) Mark Clayton - B- - He's a solid receiver who hasn't quite lived up to first round expectations. Once Derrick Mason retires, he'll take over Mason's spot, seeing as how they are very similar players.

2) Dan Cody - Incomplete - He's been injured his whole career. He played like 3 games in his 3 years.

2b) Adam Terry - B- - He's an okay starter and solid back-up.

4) Jason Brown - B+ - The most solid person on the line during the entire season. We got a steal here.

5) Justin Green - C - A good special teams player. Got beat out by LeRon McClain for the starting job at fullback.

6) Derek Anderson - A(if he was still in Baltimore) - For some reason, Brian Billick thought that Kordell Stewart & Kyle Boller were better then Anderson, who is a pro-bowl QB. -_-

7) Mike Smith - C - Solid back-up and good special teams player. We got at least some value with the pick.

JagHombre22
03-24-2008, 07:09 PM
Jaguars

21st overall- Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas....probably should have picked up Fabian Washington or Mark Clayton...but I can see the rationale behind the selection...Matt Jones' ceiling is very high...he has just not lived up to the draft selection...GRADE: D

52nd Overall- Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington...Barnes was a rookie starter and has gotten better every year...he's had some off the field issues but those will cease...he was the best available...GRADE: B+

87th Overall- Scott Starks, CB, Wisconsin...Starks has been a real solid nickel back for us...I think that he could be a starter but I guess the Jags FO thinks otherwise...he's solid though...GRADE: B-

127th overall- Alvin Pearman, RB, Virginia...he was never really that good, he had a few nice moments and was a solid punt returner, but that's about it...he was traded to Seattle for a 5th round selection so I guess he's recouped his value...originally the pick as eh...GRADE: C+

157th Overall- Gerald Sensabaugh, SS, North Carolina...He's slated to be our starting SS but has had two shoulder surgeries in the past 6 months...he was turning into a fine player before he was injured...GRADE: C+

185th Overall- Chad Owens, WR, Hawaii...Horrible pick...he stunk all the way up to his release...horrible, horrible, horrible...GRADE: F

194th Overall- Pat Thomas, LB, NC State...was a serviceable backup until he was released last season...GRADE: D

237th overall- Chris Roberson, CB, Eastern Michigan...didn't make the team...GRADE: F

RagingColt
03-24-2008, 07:11 PM
1 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
2 60 Kelvin Hayden DB Illinois
3 92 Vincent Burns DE Kentucky
4 129 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
4 135 Matt Giordano DB California
5 148 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
5 165 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
5 173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Cincinnati
6 202 Dave Rayner K Michigan State
7 243 Anthony Davis RB Wisconsin

Jackson and Hayden were both started in 2007 after a great run in the playoffs in 2006. Both were instrumental in making key plays-Jackson picking off Brady in the AFC Champ and Hayden with the int return for a td in the Super Bowl. Both have been significant upgrades over harper and david who lacked the tackling ability to effectively play the run and the type of Defense that Dungy insists upon. They are easily the best tandem of CBs in the Indy era of the Colts. Hayden was thought to be drafted too high for a wr turned cb in college esp since he only started one year at cb in college at Illinois.

Sweet Pea Burns was drafted to be a dt in the 4-3 and showed some quickness in training camp till he got hurt. Believe he was cut after only one year.

Gandy has been in the o line backup rotation and figures to be in the running to replace Scott on the right side this year. Giordano has been the #1 backup for both saftey postions. Welsch was thought to be in the mold of Robert Mathis, but he did not make it a full season with the Colts. Hagler looks like a steal and figures to be a starter next season.

Dave Rayner. A Kicker. Drafted by Bill Polian. Never a good sign. Nuff said about that.

Davis was hurt and as far as I know never played much.

So in all, we got 2 starting CBs, one player who figures to be out starting Guard this year, and one backup saftey/special teamer. To have drafted three players that went on to/will start for your team in three years time is good by most standards. Not the best draft of 2005, but no slouch either.

I'll say on a rating scale of good, bad, and ugly, we had a good draft.

Hawk
03-24-2008, 07:15 PM
C & P 'ed from the Packers forum

Round 1
Aaron Rodgers A-

Picked essentially over value, Rodgers struggled in the preseason and the little playing time he had in his first 2 seasons, but showed promise in 2007. He most certainly will be the starting QB in Green Bay once Lord Favre retires.

Round 2
Nick Collins-C+
Terrence Murphy --

Collins has been solid. Nothing too flashy, doesn't seem to make a lot of mistakes but doesn't seem to make a lot of plays either. His job could be in jeopardy. Luckily for him, he's still young.

I can't really give Murphy a grade. He had good potential and what little we saw of him, but then he had that neck injury. Greg Jennings would not be on our team had Murphy stayed healthy.

Round 4
Marviel Underwood-C-
Brady Poppinga-B+

At the time safety was a huge need for us. I can't blame Thompson for picking Underwood. Unfortunately he never did too much for us, mostly with injuries to blame.

Poppinga has been a solid starter for 2 seasons now. He's not going to wow anyone with his playmaking ability, but he's a high energy guy who leaves it all on the field

Round 5
Junius Coston-C+
Mike Hawkins-D-

He has the potential and skillset to succeed in our scheme but it just hasn't happened yet. Like Collins, he's still really young and has time.

Hawkins was bad and never panned out. He was a huge project and I consider this pick a reach even in the 5th round.

Round 6
Mike Montgomery-B
Craig Bragg-D

I really like Montgomery, he just hasn't had the durability or the PT to shine. He was explosive at times this past year when he had his snaps. He's a good player for us, and fits right into our DE rotation.

Craig Bragg was blazing fast, but that's about it. On and off the practice squad for the first few months(If I'm remembering right) into the 2005 season then cut.

Round 7
Kurt Campbell-D
Will Whitticker-F

I don't remember too much about Campbell, except that he was a LB/S tweener and injuries followed him around in GB

Will Whitticker....ugh


Well this draft has given us 2 solid starters, promising QB in the wings, and a potential starter down the road in Montgomery.

Draft Grade: Solid B

BeerBaron
03-24-2008, 07:38 PM
oh man, rodgers is no A. not until hes, yanno, started a game or something. hell hes played all of what...2 partial games? breaks his foot in one and does alright in the other.

thats no A....not yet anyway

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
03-24-2008, 08:01 PM
I am not usually one to start a thread like this, but this is an exception. It has been 5 years since the 2003 Draft and most players are now established pros or out of the NFL. So I thought that we should take a look back and grade out our teams selections from the 2003 Draft.

BufFan71
03-24-2008, 08:10 PM
Buffalo:
**traded for Drew Bledsoe**
Willis Mcgahee--F--gave us one good year, didnt run hard, didnt care
Chris Kelsay--D-- Isnt a good pass rusher, or run defender, just a hugh motor
Angelo Crowell--A-- Our best LB'er, very good
Terrence McGee--B-- number 1 cb, but in the past, bigger wrs handle him
Sam Aiken--f--special teamer that never contributed on offense, now on NE
Mario Haggan--c-- FA now, but a solid player
and some more

FinChase
03-24-2008, 08:11 PM
Dallas - 1st round - Terence Newman - Pro Bowler and shutdown corner
2nd round - Al Johnson - part-time starter - decent but not spectactular - left via FA - could have taken Anquan Boldin instead :(
3rd round - Jason Witten - Pro Bowler
4th round - Bradie James - Starter
5th round - no pick
6th round - BJ Tucker - out of the league
7th round - Justin Bates - out of the league

Pretty good draft but taking Johnson instead of Boldin really hurts

BeerBaron
03-24-2008, 08:11 PM
man we just keep on going back with these things....i recall doing one for this exact year already too.....maybe i can find it and dredge it up

BeerBaron
03-24-2008, 08:13 PM
ker-splam:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16094&highlight=2003+draft

Canadian_kid16
03-24-2008, 08:15 PM
Dewayne White
DE
Louisville

White was a good pick, nothing really special, but a solid player during his time here. Grade: B/B-

Chris Simms
QB
Texas

I really wanted Simms to do well, but after his ruptured spleen, he hasn't been the same. Seems liek a waste of a pick, but he did get us to the playoffs one year. Grade: C

Lance Nimmo
T
West Virginia

Don't think he ever made our roster, and wasn't great even if he did. Grade: F

Austin King
C
Northwestern

Played for us a bit during his time with us. Mostly a back up though. Grade: D+

Sean Mahan
G
Notre Dame

I liked him as a player. Don't know if he's still on our roster, but Mahan was productive when he played IMO. One of my personal favourites. Grade: B

Torrie Cox
CB
Pittsburgh

Useful as a return man and a dime corner. Probably the second best KR we've had in team history (behind Spurlock of course). Grade: C-

Overall Grade: C+ Ok draft, nothing great though

Yung Flippa
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Baltimore 2003 Draft Class:
1a) Terrell Suggs - A+ - Pro Bowl player, who's still only 25 years old. Great Pick.

1b) Kyle Boller - D- - The exact opposite of Terrell Suggs, in terms of on-field production. Wasted Trade with New England. ><. Damnit ><

3) Musa Smith - C - Solid 3-Down Running Back. We'll see if the FO decides to bring him back.

4a) Jarrett Johnson - C - Solid Starter, who was expected to take AD's place last year...he did an okay job, but then again you can't really expect him to replace AD.

4b) Ovie Mughelli - C+ - Solid Fullback when he was in Baltimore. Got a big pay day in Atlanta last year.

5a) Aubrayo Franklin - C- - Didn't really do that much in Baltimore. Now with the Niners.

5b) Tony Pashos - C+ - Was a serviceable starter when he was in Baltimore. Now with the Jaguars.

6a) Gerome Sapp - C - Solid back-up and good special teams player. Hopefully we re-sign him and let Jamaine Winborne walk.

Trent Smith, Mike Marby & Antwoine Sanders...never heard of.

skinzzfan25
03-24-2008, 08:26 PM
2nd: Taylor Jacobs, practice superstar - E: I don't think he's still playing, let alone starting.

3rd: Derrick Dockery - B-: He played well with the Redskins, unfortunatly we didn't give him the monster contract Buffalo gave him. He's still one of the better pulling guards in the NFL.

7th: Gibran Hamdan - D+: Probably one of the more notable NFL Europa players. Currently he's on the Bills, but I still think he could be a very capable backup in the NFL. I hope he turns into something decent.


Overall: SCREW SPURRIER

EvilMonkey
03-24-2008, 08:58 PM
Too lazy to look it all up but knowing it was Mike Sherman draft I can safely say every pick other than Barnett was probably awful...

OzTitan
03-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Andre Woolfolk. Nuff said.

T-RICH49
03-24-2008, 09:01 PM
Larry Johnson nuff said

kalbears13
03-24-2008, 09:02 PM
Cleveland Browns- F
I don't even have to write it down.
The best player to come out of that draft is our longsnapper. Ryan Pontbriand \/ \/ \/ \/.

T-RICH49
03-24-2008, 09:03 PM
all I remember about 2005 for KC is we fell into Derrick Johnson at 15

neko4
03-24-2008, 09:05 PM
Green Bay
Nick Barnett- A, YAY!!! A good pick, how rare!
Kenny Peterson- F, WHO?
James Lee- F, WHO?
Hunter Hillenmeyer- F, we almost had one, but we let him go and he screwed us over when he went to chicago.
Brennan Curtin- F
The rest F!

Kurve
03-24-2008, 09:37 PM
Raiders 2003 Draft

1st Round (pick 31) Nnamdi Asomugha "CB California"
At the time this pick was a reach he was projected late 2nd early 3rd round picking him over Mathis who was still available but all in all he turned out to be the best CB in this heavy CB class, and is turning into one of the elite shutdown corners in the league today. GRADE = A+

1st Round (pick 32) Tyler Brayton "DE Colorado"
Tyler contributed several years and gave us decent depth but for a 1st rounder he underachieved never become the pass rush and run stuffer we expected him to be. With players like Osi and Boldin getting picked in the second round definitely wasn't worth a 1st round pick, but he did give us some production.
GRADE = C

2nd Round (pick 63) Teyo Johnson "TE Stanford"
Teyo had alot of potential but like Brayton never truly lived up to what the raiders expected. Also few picks after Cowboys picked a TE out of Tennessee named Jason Witten multiple Probowl TE. Crappy luck for us! GRADE = D

3rd Round (pick 83) Sam Williams "OLB Fresno State"
Sam is still one of our linebackers today he has been solid and filled in as linebacker few years now hasn't had the numbers ud want but he has been solid would also due to having 2 pro bowl caliber linebackers next to him taking the glory in Morrison and Howard as of late. I believe he has fallen off the starting position into backup roll but to have 3rd rounder still contribute isnt too bad. Grade = C+

3rd Round (pick 96) Justin Fargas "RB USC"
He definitely was a steal then when he was projected to go in the second round. Justin has been backup to the underachieving Jordon for a few years now never being able to get his true opportunity to shine, he finally did middle of last year and showed the raiders that he is the best RB on the team. He rushed over 1000 yards while only starting little over half the games of the year. So for a late 3rd rounder this was an amazing pick i would of grade it higher but i have to see how he does this year with a full year as being the starter under his belt. GRADE = A-

4th Round (pick 129) Shurron Pierson "DE USF"
Great Athlete coming out of college but due to his size he was undersized for the DE position and never really did anything for us poped up in chicago a year later didnt do anyting as well. GRADE = F

5th Round (pick 167) Doug Gabriel "WR Central Florida"
I really liked Gabriel when he was with us i always wondered why he never got the chance to get the starting job but you had bigger names above him. Big WR with good speed, he later was traded to the patriots. I was surely thinking he would succeed in that offense never did and was cut, the raiders picked him up and seemed like a different player when he came back to us what a bummer. Grade = C-

6th Round (pick 204) Dustin Rykert "OT BYU"
Didnt do anything granted we had huge depth in the offensive line roster so it was almost impossible for him to do anything during that time why we pick a OT who knows. Grade = F

7th Round (pick 246) Siddeeq Shabazz "S New Mexico State"
Never did much for us went from team to team then i believe ended up playing in the Canadian league as a LB. Grade = F

7th Round (pick 262) Ryan Hoag "WR Gustavus Adolphus"
Mr Irrelevant this year coming from a div III he was a sleeper for many draft analysts that year coming from a small school but he didnt make the roster and kept bouncing from team to team never being able to make it on a roster. GRADE = F

Overall Grade = B-

we did got few players who contributed on depth for us and 2 / 3 starters i would of graded the overall grade lower but picking Nnamdi in the first round when he was considered a reach brought the grade to a B-

Aftermath
03-24-2008, 09:40 PM
1 Carson Palmer A+ Franchise QB
2 Eric Steinbach A Great when he played for us
3 Kelley Washington C Good ST player, no longer with the team
4a Dennis Weathersby F Who?
4b Jeremi Johnson B+ A top FB when actually in shape
5 Khalid Abdullah F Who?
6 Langston Moore F Cut by 2 teams and plays for Lions, nuff said
7a Scott Kooistra C Good depth
7b Elton Patterson F Who?

A, just because we reeled in a Franchise QB

JJJ888
03-24-2008, 10:05 PM
I don't think a high second round pick deserves an A- for only ST.

Except that Burnett is our "starting" nickel linebacker, where he plays an estimated 50% of the snaps per game. An A- might be a little high for his play to this point, but I would expect him to move into a starting role in the not-so-distant future.

fischbowl
03-24-2008, 10:30 PM
Bills:

2. Roscoe Parrish- Came as a surprise to me but OK pick. Good RS. C+
3. Kevin Everett- Promising until a career ending hit. C
4. Duke Preston- Career Backup. D
5. Eric King- Spent One Year as the 5th CB. Sucked. F
6. Justin Geisinger- Spent One Year As Backup. F
7. Lionel Gates- Spent Two Years As Backup- D-

The Dynasty
03-24-2008, 10:36 PM
Round 1: Kevin Williams - A - One of the Best DT in the League

Round 2: EJ Henderson - B+ - 119 Tackles 4.5 Sacks Last season

Round 3: Nate Burleson - B- - Was a Solid #2 with Moss but Struggled as a #1 and Doing alright in Seattle

Round 4: Onterrio Smith - F - Whizzantor

Round 6a: Eddie Johnson - F - Punter, Never heard of him

Round 6b: Michael Nattiel - F - Didnt last past the 2003 Season

Round 7: Keenan Howry - D+ - He was our Return man for a while.

Overall : B

JT Jag
03-24-2008, 10:41 PM
Jacksonville Jaguars
OVERALL GRADE: C-

Round 1, Pick 21: MATT JONEZZZ - F. No, check that. F-. You know what? Screw it. I give the Armadillo a Q.
Round 2, Pick 52: Khalif Barnes - Considering that we could have picked him in the first round and no one would have batted an eyelash, a good pick. Has flashed tons of potential in his time here, but has some issues with being consistent and has a public and controvercial off-the-field incident bi-annually. B-
Round 3, Pick 87: Scott Starks. One of the 10 fastest men in the NFL, I'm sure. Couldn't win the nickel spot to save his life and is relegated to being a special teams ace. D+
Round 4, Pick 127: Alvin Pearman. Solid third down back until we drafted Maurice. We got a draft pick for him when we traded him. C
Round 5, Pick 157: Gerald Sensabaugh. Special teams ace, third safety, super-athletic starter. Gerald has worn many masks during his time here, but he's always produced. B
Round 6, Pick 185: Chad Owens. You know what? I changed my mind. Matt Jones just gets an F. This his a reference point so you can get the extent of how worthless Owens was. The Hawaiian Muffer gets a K.
Round 6, Pick 194: Pat has stuck around on the roster this entire time. That's a heck of an accomplishment for a round 6 guy who is nothing special. Jack loves him. I suppose that's enough. B-
Round 7, Pick 237: Chris Roberson. He stuck around for a while but kept getting injured. D-.

All in all... not a very productive draft. Khalif Barnes, Gerald Sensabaugh and not much else.

RagingColt
03-24-2008, 10:42 PM
This is starting to get redundant.

2003 Colts Draft

1 24 Dallas Clark TE Iowa
2 58 Mike Doss SS Ohio State
3 90 Donald Strickland FS Colorado
4 122 Steve Sciullo G Marshall
5 138 Robert Mathis DE Alabama A&M
5 162 Keyon Whiteside LB Tennessee
6 198 Cato June DB Michigan
6 208 Makoa Freitas

Clark has turned into a key puzzle of the Colts offense. I think he is a bit overatted, but his importance in the last couple of years can't be understated. He can play from the TE spot, slot, or even at split end. Seems to have a problem staying healthy or at least keeping himself safe on the field. Kudos to Bill Polian, he does not miss on 1st round picks.

Doss never quite lived up to expectations and was released and signed with the Vikings following the Super Bowl win. He did ok, but injuries and an off the field incident were the key reasons to his release.

Strickland couldn't stay healthy. He just resigned with the 49ers. Scuillo was thought to be a future starter at guard then fell out of favor with the coaching staff. He was released only after a year or two and signed with Philly.

Robert Mathis turned out to be the real late round steal. He was viewed to be an OLB by many clubs cause he is in the 235/240 lb range. Teamed up with Freeny, they have become a top 5 DE rushing duo in the league. Mathis was resigned to a large deal.

Whiteside was cut I believe after training camp or during the season and hovered on the practice squad.

June was a college saftey turned into WLB who excelled in coverage and not so much on run D. Did have one Pro Bowl year. Colts did not offer to resign him, now with Tampa.

Four players of this draft started significant number of games for the Colts with Clark and Mathis still on the team, both resigned to big contracts. So they got four starters to play for four years, and were able to keep two of them after their rookie contracts expired. I call this draft like the 2005, a good one for the Colts.

Zach

zoinks
03-24-2008, 10:53 PM
Titans
1) CB Andre Woolfolk - another Floyd Reese project pick...bust
2) WR Tyrone Calico - major potential, but blew out both knees in his second year, and was never the same. Cut in 2006.
3) RB Chris Brown - talented but fragile. Recently signed with the Texans.
4) DT Rien Long - former Outland trophy winner progressed nicely in his first three years, but a ruptured Achilles', a severe staph infection, and a horrific car accident have likely ended his career.
5) S Donnie Nickey - ST specialist, not currently on a roster
7) OT Todd Williams - spent a couple years on the roster, never played.

Not a single 2003 draftee left on the roster. Overall grade: D

bearfan
03-24-2008, 10:55 PM
1)Michael Haynes DE Penn State - F
- Had 5.5 sacks in 3 seasons. Once Ogun came in, he was really phased out. Says he is on the Jets now
1b) Rex Grossman QB Florida - C
-I dont like him, but he is really good when he has time in the pocket...problem is that if he doesnt, he is not that good
2) Charles Tillman CB Louisiana-Lafayette - A
-Starting CB for us, and will be for quite a long time. Very solid player
3) Lance Briggs OLB Arizona - A+++
-All Pro. Nuff said.
4)100 Todd Johnson DB Florida - C
-Was a good backup/special teamer, and was a decent player when he got in
4)Ian Scott DT Florida B
- I thought he was really underrated when he played for us, always seemed to get an arm up, and made some heads up plays. Eagles grabbed him in FA, and I think they cut him though.
5) Bobby Wade WR Arizona - C
- Good KR/PR for us, and had some decent hands when we had no recievers. I think is doing decent in Minny
5) Justin Gage WR Missouri - C
-I had always liked him, but never really got to see the field that much/never was much of an option. Doing well in TN now
5) Tron LaFavor DT Florida
-who?
6) Joe Odom LB Purdue - D
-Backup, Still on team?
6) Brock Forsey RB Boise State - D
-Had a 100yrd game, not on the team anymore, still in league?
7) Bryan Anderson G Pittsburgh - F?
-Who?

Overall: B
We landed 2 players who have made huge impacts on games for us, and are both really good players. Most of the rest arent even on the team anymore though

Dam8610
03-24-2008, 10:58 PM
This is actually a good time to do this, these players have had 3 years in the league.

29) CB Marlin Jackson - 1st year starter in 2007, played very well in that role and in the nickel role before that. Most famous for his play in the 2006 AFC Championship Game. To quote Bob Lamey, "INTERCEPTION! MARLIN JACKSON! WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!" Personally I've wondered for some time if the Colts would've taken Luis Castillo with this pick had he not been taken with the pick immediately before it, but Marlin has worked out for the Colts, so I like the move.

Grade: B

60) CB Kelvin Hayden - Another 1st year starter in 2007, Hayden got limited oppurtunites before the 2007 season, his biggest and most famous of course being his game sealing pick-6 in Super Bowl XLI after Nick Harper went down. This was the most panned pick of the 2005 draft, for the Colts at least, and it goes to show that Polian knows what he's doing. Once again, I wonder if Jonathan Babineaux would've been the pick had he not been taken the pick before, but really we'll never know.

Grade: B

92) "DT" Vincent "Sweet Pea" Burns - I don't remember if he was cut in 05 or 06, but he didn't have a very long NFL career, and he was miscast with the Colts.

Grade: F

129) OG Dylan Gandy - Gandy was impressive in 2006 as a starting guard for most of the season, but it seems the Colts have decided to go in a different direction with him, having him backup Pro-Bowl C Jeff Saturday, and possibly developing him to take over the position. Then again, with starting guard Jake Scott leaving via FA this offseason, Gandy could get another shot at a starting job.

Grade: C+

135) S Matt Giordano - Has been an excellent backup and decent special teamer for the Colts since being drafted. He seems to be incredibly fast, which helps him in both of his roles.

Grade: C

148) DE Jonathan Welsh - Cut shortly after joining the team.

Grade: F

165) C Robert Hunt - Camp cut that season, no longer in the league.

Grade: F

173) LB Tyjuan Hagler - After missing all of the 2005 season with a sports hernia, Tyjuan Hagler has been nothing short of a late round gem for the Colts. He played well in a backup/special teams role in 2006, and in 2007 he was able to earn the starting SLB job after incumbent starter Rob Morris went down for the season, and has shown a lot of promise there.

Grade: B+

202) K Dave Rayner - Cut by the Colts in camp that season, but found a job later with the Packers, and now with the Dolphins, and has had a decent year.

Grade: D+

243) RB Anthony Davis - He was going to be a KR and 3rd RB, but didn't show much in either role and was cut in camp.

Grade: F

Overall Draft Grade: B/B+

While the Colts didn't produce a superstar from this draft, they've already produced 3 starters from it, could have a 4th in Dylan Gandy, and produced a very quality backup in Giordano. This is a very successful draft for any team.

Cashmoney
03-24-2008, 11:02 PM
I would give PacMan a higher grade than D, even with only playing two years for yall. Unfortuneately he had the potential to be an A plus.

He gets graded down because he sucked his rookie year, and he'll only have played two seasons with the Titans.

757Dawg
03-24-2008, 11:05 PM
^^^
How do you have 5 F's, a D minus, and a C and still average a B. I would have loved for you to have been my teacher back in the day. And no Braylon doesn't warrant that big of a jump. He is good, like really good. but that should be an overall grade of like D/C- at most.

Yeah, he does.

Because a top 5 WR with Braylon's kind of talent and impact GREATLY outweighs missed 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds pick in the grand scheme of things. At that point in the draft, you're hoping those kind of players become quality depth players. Anything more is a huge bonus.

For someone who is on his way to becoming one of the, if not the, best WR in team history, you grade that pick on a completely different level than the others. You get a player like that and your draft as a whole is a huge success. That's the bottom line.

Cashmoney
03-24-2008, 11:36 PM
1) Andre Woolfolk- F (God Awful)
2) Tyrone Calico- D (Little production from rookie year kept him from being an F)
3) Chris Brown- C+ (Had some good seasons, but injuries and fumbling held him back)
4) Rien Long- D
5) Donnie Nickey- C
7) Todd Williams- F-

Not a good draft at all. Overall a D. Only saving graces were Chris Brown and Donnie Nickey on Special Teams.

Gridiron
03-24-2008, 11:47 PM
Jets:

1. DT Dewane Robertson - D
Played well in his first season (probably due to playing next to Jason Ferguson) but has sucked since then. Also, our medical staff completely wiffed on his health concerns.

2. LB Victor Hobson - C
Decent player but never lived up to expectations. Started for a while but is now a free agent (has yet to be signed as far as I know).

3. FB BJ Askew - D
Another decent player but was never used properly.

5. DB Derek Pagel - F
Who?

5. DE Matt Walters - F
Who?

6. QB Brooks Bollinger - C
Solid contributor for a backup but is really nothing more than a #3. Was a great trading chip for us.

7. OT Dave Yovanovits - F
Who?

Overall: F

fenikz
03-24-2008, 11:49 PM
dont feel like doing it by the Cardinals made this draft there *****

Gridiron
03-24-2008, 11:57 PM
2. K Mike Nugent - C
He's been great for us... but... a kicker?

2. CB Justin Miller - B
One of the best returners in the league but a terrible cornerback. Hopefully he can take some of his raw talent and become a solid DB this season after coming off the IR.

3. DT Sione Pouha - B
Hadn't shown much until last season but he has really come on as a solid contributor. He should be a big part of our DL rotation this season and has NT potential. Great run-stuffer in obvious running situations.

4. S Kerry Rhodes - A++
One of the best safeties in the NFL.

5. DB Andre Maddox - F
I have no idea where he is now, if anywhere.

6. Cedric Houston - B
Health problems pushed him down this far but he was a very solid player when given the chance. Stepped in extremely well for Curtis Martin when given the call. Unfortunately he decided to retire.

6. TE Joel Dreessen - F
No longer with the team.

7. WR Harry Williams - F
No longer with the team.

Overall: Mike Nugent is awesome (but still... a kicker?), Justin Miller still has buttloads of potential and is one of the best returners in the league, Sione Pouha is a big sleeper, and Kerry Rhodes is arguably a top-5 safety in the NFL. I give the entire draft a B+.

ninerfan
03-24-2008, 11:59 PM
9ers Now get ready for a laugh !!

Rd.1 Kwame Harris OT:
Leaked like a sieve, got QB's killed, didnt dress in 2007, FA aquisition by Raiders in 2008
grade: F

Rd.2 Anthony Adams DT:
After 4 mediocre years he moved onto Chicago, we were'nt upset
grade: D

Rd.3 Andrew Williams DE:
Undersized and out of the league, Career stats of 3 games started, 12 tackles
grade: F

Rd.4 Brandon Lloyd WR:
Prima dona cry baby who Redskins actually traded for (lol). Wont go over the middle and shy's away for the ball (see you tube)
grade: D+ (for draft picks)

Rd.5 Aaron Walker TE:
2 years 18 receptions 1 TD, moved to St Louis for 7 catches in 3 years
grade: F

Rd.6 Arnaz Battle WR:
Sure and steady WR who has continued to develop into a good player. 109 receptions / 1250 yards last 2 years. Doesnt scare defenses but just does his job. Likely no.3 with added talent
grade: B+ (given pick 197)

Rd. 7 Ken Dorsey QB:
Classic case of succesfull college QB not cutting it in the pro's. Lack of arm strength hurt. Good teacher and mentor - no.3 now with Browns.
grade: D

Overall grade: F
Seven picks and only 1 player is currently on the roster and contributing. Its little wonder we find overselves in the position we do now.

azbmxican
03-25-2008, 12:00 AM
Anquan Boldin thats all you got to say Fenikz.

fenikz
03-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Anquan Boldin thats all you got to say Fenikz.

throw in some Gerald Hayes, mix it up with a little Reggie Wells

21ST
03-25-2008, 12:15 AM
Redskins had the sorriest draft that year

ninerfan
03-25-2008, 12:34 AM
We've been all around the mark with 2003 and 2005 drafts so here it is (drum roll pls) the 2004 draft grades. 4 years in and what have we learnt ?

9ers

Rd. 1 Rashuan Woods WR:
6'2 202 looks an ideal WR, Woods proved this wrong. 2 years 7 recptions 1 TD. Not sure what he does now but it aint in the NFL
Grade: F

Rd.2a Justin Smiley G
Nice player that was injury hampered and then wanted his pay day. Miami called and he answered this off season
Grade: C+

Rd. 2b Shawntae Spencer
Nice little DB ideally the teams 3rd back. Played well in 2005 / 2006 but also got burnt at times. Lost starting spot to Nate Clements last year
Grade: B

Rd.3 Derrick Hamilton WR
See Rashuan Woods but 6'4 217. 2 years no receptions some how on Denvers list
Grade: F

Rd. 4a Issac Sopoaga NT
Beast of a man now just learning the game. Splits time Abruyo Franklin and recently re signed
Grade: B+

Rd. 4b Richard Seigler LB
1 year 7 tackeles and then off list. Played on Steelers 2006 roster
Grade: F

Rd 6a Andy Lee P
Pro bowl punter and fan favorite, kept us in games many a time
Grade: A

Overall Grade: C+
The miss with Woods and then Hamilton hurt badly as well as the loss of Smiley mean an avaerage grade only

Sniper
03-25-2008, 12:38 AM
Philadelphia

1 (15) Jerome McDougle, DE, Miami (Fl.) Bust. Never did anything worthwhile, likely to be cut in TC this year. F

2. (61) L.J Smith, TE, Rutgers A mediocre TE who's better suited as a backup TE. Okay, but nothing special. C+

3. (95) Billy McMullen, WR, Virginia Bust. Oh God this guy was terrible. Scared to go over the middle, terrible hands etc... F

4. (131) Jamaal Green, DE, Miami. Another bust. Who exactly is he?

6. Jeremy Bridges, G, Mississippi Who? F

7. Norman Lejeune, S, LSU Who? F

WHAT THE **** WAS GOING ON HERE?

21ST
03-25-2008, 12:43 AM
REDSKINS
1st round Sean Taylor FS Miami A+ not on team
3rd round Chris Cooley TE Utah State B+ Great receiving threat
5th round Mark Wilson OT not on team
6th round Jim Molralino OG/OT not on team

SuperMcGee
03-25-2008, 12:48 AM
Buffalo:
**traded for Drew Bledsoe**
Willis Mcgahee--F--gave us one good year, didnt run hard, didnt care
Chris Kelsay--D-- Isnt a good pass rusher, or run defender, just a hugh motor
Angelo Crowell--A-- Our best LB'er, very good
Terrence McGee--B-- number 1 cb, but in the past, bigger wrs handle him
Sam Aiken--f--special teamer that never contributed on offense, now on NE
Mario Haggan--c-- FA now, but a solid player
and some more

Sam Aiken was a day 2 pick that stuck on the team for 5 years. And he was really good at what he did.
An F is overdoing the Willis hate, too. That's putting him in the same boat as Mike Williams and Erik Flowers. Even the laziest of McGahees don't belong there.
Kelsay would be more of a C in my book, although he's hardly a thrilling starter.

Mr. Stiller
03-25-2008, 12:55 AM
Steelers:

1.16( Traded up with KC) Troy Polamalu,SS, USC. Best SS in the league and He fit perfectly in our scheme. 2x-All Pro and 4 time Pro-bowler.

2.59 ~ Alonzslow Jackson, 34OLB, Florida State ~ It's picks like this I remind people that Cowher isn't always the best talent evaluator. Damn NYG, Osi could be our ROLB right now.

Jason Witten, Antwan Peek, Lance Briggs, Derrick Dockery, Angelo Crowell, Asante Samuel all would've been better here.

4.125) Ike Taylor, CB, Louisiana Lafeyette ~ I think Ike is fairly underrated and if he had anything resembling a pair of hands at the end of his arms could very well be in discussion for top 5 CB's in the league. He has shut numerous WR's down. Including every single #1 we faced in 2005 (Marvin Harrison beat him once in the Monday Night game in 05)

5.163) Brian St. Pierre, QB, Boston College ~ Decent backup, has great touch, absolutely no arm strength. Solid #3. Should've lost his job to Omar Jacobs.

7.242) JT Wall, Georgia.. don't even know. Kevin Walter or Ethan Kelley would've been better picks.

Dam8610
03-25-2008, 01:13 AM
Hooray, the Bob Sanders draft...

44) S Demond "Bob" Sanders - 2-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro, 2007 Defensive Player of the Year, and main reason the 2006 Colts defense transformed in the postseason and allowed the team to win the Super Bowl. Not bad for a 2nd round pick 4 years ago.

Grade: A+

68) TE Ben Hartsock - Wasn't able to beat out UDFAs Ben Utecht and Bryan Fletcher, ended up on the Titans last season. Not sure if he's still there.

Grade: D

69) LB Gilbert Gardner - As much as I hate to say it, Gardner being a Purdue product, he was a waste of space and did nothing beyond minor contributions on special teams. Ended up with the Titans, who let him go this offseason.

Grade: F

107) LB Kendyll Pope - Never really got a chance in the NFL, as he got suspended early in his career, and as far as I know, has yet to have the suspension lifted. I can't really say he was a bad pick, because he never really got a chance.

Grade: Incomplete

125) CB Jason David - Mediocre starter for 3 years, brought a 4th round pick when the Saints signed him as a RFA.

Grade: C (the pick received from the Saints pushes the grade up from a C-)

141) OG Jake Scott - 4 year starter for the Colts, recently signed with the Titans. Anyone noticing a trend here?

Grade: B

173) CB Von Hutchins - Mainly a backup and special teamer, was pretty decent on special teams.

Grade: C-

193) QB Jim Sorgi - Hard to judge, but in the limited time he's had with the first team offense, he's looked solid.

Grade: C

229) K David Kimball - Was drafted to be a kickoff specialist. FAIL.

Grade: F

Overall Draft Grade: A

Bob Sanders is the centerpiece of this draft, and was an obvious steal in the 2nd round given the impact he's had. Once again, the Colts produced 3 starters from this draft, and that's before counting Ben Utecht, an UDFA that started 15 games for the Colts last year. If the Colts could've gotten anything out of the 3rd round, it would've been Polian's best draft with the Colts to date.

JagHombre22
03-25-2008, 01:16 AM
Jaguars

7th overall- Byron Leftwich, QB, Marshall...WOW...he showed a lot of promise in his first two years but injuries cut his career in Jacksonville short...he's not currently with a team right now, and that's amazing because he can still play...how hard he has fallen...GRADE: F

39th Overall- Rashean Mathis, CB, Bethune Cookman...probably one of the Jaguars best picks...ever...he's been selected as an ALL PRO and been to a PROBOWL...he had a down year in 2007 but he's currently top 7 corner in the league...it's hard to believe that so many teams passed on him...GRADE: A+

72nd Overall- Vince Manuwai, OG, Hawaii...Manuwai is a very underrated guard in this league...he's so underrated that he outplayed most of the guards in the league but due to name recognition or lack thereof he was not selected to the probowl...an intricate part of the Jags running game....GRADE: A+

104th Overall- George Wrighster, TE, Oregon...Wrighster took a while to get going but has become a very good pass catching TE over the years, but due to his injuries over the years the organization chose to draft Marcedes Lewis in the first round in 2006...GRADE: C+

132nd Overall- Labrandon Toefield, RB, LSU...Toefield was a very good running back coming out of LSU but he just landed on a team that was set at RB...he reminds me of Steven Jackson the way he runs but he just never got an opportunity to really play...he did have a three TD game against Tennessee back in 2005...he is now playing for the Panthers...GRADE: C

176th Overall- Brandon Green, DE, Rice...Green never saw the field in Jax...GRADE: F

179th Overall- David Young, S, Georgia Southern...Young was on the practice squad for alittle while, but never played for the Jags....GRADE: F

193rd Overall- Marques Ogden, OT, Howard...pretty much drafted for the name recognition...was on the practice squad for most of his career in Jax...never panned out....GRADE: D

218th Overall- Malaefou Mackenzie, FB, USC...he could have been really good but just wasn't the all around FB that Del Rio was looking for...GRADE: F

Overall...I'd give the draft a C+, we got two very good players in Manuwai and Mathis...but tanked on Leftwich...

GB12
03-25-2008, 02:03 AM
1 - 25 - Ahmad Carroll, CB, Arkansas
Physically gifted player that ran a 4.26 40. Unfortunately he's a dumbass and can't play cornerback. The only way he can stop a receiver is to grab them. Just throw it in his general direction because it will either be a completion or pass interfence. "Grabby Smurf" committed 33 penalties and gave up 11 TDs in just 28 starts. Was cut early into the 2006 season. Jacksonville picked him up last year, but he was arrested for drugs so they cut him. He's now in the arena league.
F

3 - 70 - Joey Thomas, CB, Montana State
We couldn't possibly get two corners dead wrong back to back right? Wrong. Joey Thomas didn't have the penalty problems that Carroll did, he just well sucked. He challenged Carroll some and I think even started a couple games, but that's not saying much. To add to the problems he and Carroll hated each other and broke out in fights in practice. He's at least still in the NFL with Miami, but it's extremely doubtful he makes the roster.
F

3 - 72 - Donnell Washington, DT, Clemson
At 6'6 328 he looks the part of an NFL DT. Playing like one is a completely different story. He was inactive for every game with us, never playing in two years. He showed up to training camp the next year out of shape at 350 and we later cut him. He's not in professional football now, he never really was in professional football.
F

3 - 87 - BJ Sander, P, Ohio State
He only punted one year in college yet we traded up to take him in the third round. There's no other way to say it other than he stunk. He averaged under 40 yards a punt and was god awful in the cold. A couple years later we signed Jon Ryan and he easily beat Sanders out. I was amazed by Ryan when I first saw him. Not so much because of how great he was, but how terrible he made Sander look.
F

6 - 179 - Corey Williams, DT, Arkansas State
Finally we get to a player that is still in the league. A good player at that. A DT that can effectively stop the run and get to the quarterback. He was in our rotation the past couple of years and started most of the second half of the 2007 season when Johnny Jolly was placed on IR. Traded to Cleveland this offseason for a second round pick.
B+

7 - 251 - Scott Wells, C, Tennessee
Another good pick. Started at center the past two years for us after we let Mike Flanagin leave. Didn't miss a beat and was actually an upgrade. Will be a staple in our offensive line for many years to come
A

Overall
Wow, we couldn't **** up our first 5 rounds anymore if we tried right now. Strangely after 4 straight absolute busts in the first 3 rounds we hit on two very good players in the 6th and 7th. It's not like those were considered good picks at the time either except maybe Washington. Williams and Wells keep this draft from being a complete failure, but I still can not go any higher than a D-. But hey what do you expect when this is your GM
http://tarapfeifer.com/albums/stuff/mike_sherman_sleeping.jpeg

Gatz
03-25-2008, 02:06 AM
I hate sherman... Carroll over gamble then Sanders in 3rd...ew...

Cashmoney
03-25-2008, 02:31 AM
The 03 draft was bad enough for us. I won't go into the Ben Troupe draft. I'll save that for another Titans fan.

BlindSite
03-25-2008, 02:59 AM
Round 1 - 28 Overall CB Chris Gamble - The best man coverage corner back currently in the NFC South. Solid tackler who is good when playing his game. Struggles at times when he's asked to play off as he tends to live up to his name sake. Has potential to be one of the elite corners in the game and IMO made massive strides under Tim Lewis. This year he should shine and receive his deserved recognition if the team makes some noise.

Grade: A-

Round 2 - 62 Overall WR Keary Colbert - Showed flashes of brilliance in his rookie year. Possessing good route running ability and at times great YAC ability his future seemed bright. Turned lazy and injured in 05 and didn't do much of anything except drop passes and block for steve smith. Was expected to make some kind of impact the last two years but didn't seem to have his heart in the game. He'd drop simple passes and then come off the field grinning. For some rediculous reason Denver gave him more than we gave DJ Hackett this offseason. No wonder they fired their GM.

Grade: D+

Round 3 - 94 Overall OL Travelle Wharton - Really a good pick, when you consider the Panthers got a starting LT for 2 seasons who played quite well for the most part. A better guard than many in the conference he should see his stock as a player take a rise this year when he's shifted inside to his more natural position. Too slow to be a good tackle but perfect as a ZBS or even a pulling guard.

Grade: B

Round 4 - 163 Overall WR Drew Carter - Classic Burner who'd make the WTF? catch and then drop a lateral. Never lived up to his physical ability and won't in oakland either.

Grade C-

Round 5 - 196 Overall LB Sean Tufts - Nothing line backer who made some noise on special teams and didn't do a whole lot else. Great hitter and technically a perfect tackler, slow, mentally and physically though.

Grade D

Round 7 - 232 Overall TE Michael Gaines - Considering his draft position and what he's contributed in Carolina and the Bills he was a great pick. The guy has rocks in his head and at times drops simple balls. He's also lazy and usually fat. But at the time he had the potential to be the next algae crumpler and imo Still has all but the mental and determinate tools to do so.

Grade B-

JagHombre22
03-25-2008, 04:04 AM
Jaguars...

9th overall- Reggie Williams, WR, Washington...Hindsight being what it is...this pick probably should have been Big Ben, there's no way Williams should have been drafted this high...Lee Evans, Dunta Robinson or even Vilma probably should have been picked...but the Jags patience with Williams has paid off, Williams set the franchise receiving TD record with 10 last season so I think it's safe to say that he's finally starting to show why he was picked in the top 10....GRADE: B-

39th Overall- Daryl Smith, MLB, Georgia Tech...When the Jags first selected Smith over Julius Jones and Bob Sanders I wondered what they were doing...but now I'm extremely happy that they picked Smith...IMO Smith is a top 10 linebacker...he's never been to the probowl because he's not flashy, he just gets the job done...in three seasons he's started every game and he's tallied over 300 tackles....GRADE: A+

55th Overall- Greg Jones, RB/FB, FSU...Jones was selected to be Fred Taylor's eventual replacement but the FO and coaching staff noticed that he was built like a FB with RB speed...so they worked on his blocking and he's one of the best FB's in the league...he's been injured alot but when he's on the field he's a great blocker and even better gap runner....GRADE: B+

86th overall- Jorge Cordova, LB, Nevada...tore his ACL his rookie season and then fractured his leg his sophomore season...never really saw any real playing time...he was released this past offseason....GRADE: F

118th overall- Anthony Maddux, DT, Delta State...Had great potential but was lazy and had some off the field problems...he was released after a season with the Jags...I think he currently plays for the Texans or Cowboys...GRADE: D-

120th Overall- Ernest Wilford, WR, Virginia Tech...probably the best pick other than Smith in this draft for the Jags...Wilford was never flashy and he wasn't very fast but he was one of the best possession WR's in his time in Jax...he led the team in touchdowns and receptions at one point in his career in Jax...he was a FA this offseason and signed with the Miami Dolphins...GRADE: B+

137th Overall- Josh Scobee, K, Louisiana Tech...Scobee has been a very good kicker for the Jaguars the past two seasons...it took him a while to get going but it looks like he'll be our kicker for a very long time....GRADE: A

150th Overall- Chris Thompson, CB, Nicholls State...never saw the field, was placed on the Practice Squad and then released...GRADE: F

159th Overall- Sean Bubin, OT, Illinois...showed some promise in TC and was supposed to play backup but never really got going...he was released...GRADE: F

249th Overall- Bobby McCray, DE, Florida...he was a genuine steal in the seventh round and quickly produced in his time in Jax...had a 10 sack season back in 2006 but couldn't follow it up in 2007...he was a free agent this offseason and signed with the New Orleans Saints...GRADE: B

Matthew Jones
03-25-2008, 07:38 AM
Patriots:

1. NT Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) = A+
1. TE Ben Watson, Georgia = B
2. DE Marquise Hill, Louisiana St. = Incomplete
3. FS Guss Scott, Florida = D-
4. SS Dexter Reid, North Carolina = F
4. RB Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas = D-
5. WR P.K. Sam, Florida St. = D-
7. CB Christian Morton, Illinois = F

Overall = B

The Patriots ended up landing two starters, Wilfork an elite one, and then a few practice squadders, so it was a pretty good draft considering. I never did get why they drafted Scott, Reid, and Morton, though. I didn't like any of them at all. I was pretty surprised that Cobbs and Sam never did anything though. I didn't evaluate Marquise Hill because he died and was buried on the depth chart.

Matthew Jones
03-25-2008, 08:05 AM
Patriots:

1. DE Ty Warren, Texas A&M = A+
2. FS Eugene Wilson, Illinois = C+
2. WR Bethel Johnson, Texas A&M = D
4. DT Dan Klecko, Temple = D
4. CB Asante Samuel, Central Florida = A+
5. C Dan Koppen, Boston College = A+
6. QB Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech = F
7. TE Spencer Nead, Brigham Young = F
7. LB Tully Banta-Cain, California = B
7. NT Ethan Kelley, Baylor = D

Overall = A

Landing Warren, Samuel, and Koppen in the same draft is a pretty ridiculous achievement. Failed on Bethel Johnson and Dan Klecko or would have been an A+.

Matthew Jones
03-25-2008, 08:11 AM
Patriots:

1. OG Logan Mankins, Fresno St. = A+
3. CB Ellis Hobbs, Iowa St. = B+
3. OT Nick Kaczur, Toledo = B
4. SS James Sanders, Fresno St. = B
5. LB Ryan Claridge, UNLV = D-
7. QB Matt Cassel, Southern Cal = C
7. TE Andy Stokes, William & Mary = F

Overall = B+

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 09:10 AM
Osi, diehl and tyree were great picks, joseph and shiancoe are still in the league but have done little to warrant their first day selections, the rest are out of the league I think. But Osi has gone from late second rounder to one of the best DEs in the league, diehl is one of the most effective and versatile olineman around, he's started at every spot but center and was as good as snee when he was at guard and tyree is a special teams beast who completed The Great Escape with The Grab.

keylime_5
03-25-2008, 09:17 AM
Cleveland Browns- F
I don't even have to write it down.
The best player to come out of that draft is our longsnapper. Ryan Pontbriand \/ \/ \/ \/.

Pontbriand was a pro bowler. And we picked Jeff Faine in the first who was a bust for us, but once he got out of the AFC North and away from Casey Hampton, Kelly Gregg, Ray Lewis, and co. he looked pretty decent. He's not pro bowl material (though he did make a pro bowl in NOLA) but he is the highest paid center in the league and fits well into the WCO. 2 pro bowlers, maybe a D- instead of an F.

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 09:25 AM
Eli Manning, QB
A franchise QB who has one us a superbowl and completed one of the most amazing plays I've ever seen, responsible for my sn
A-

Chris Snee, OG
Coughlin's son in law is one of the NFLs best guards, a true mauler.
A+

Reggue Torbor, OLB
Was a solid backup who stepped when injuries hit us, no longer with the team
C

Gibril Wilson, S
Started for us and played a significant role in our superbowl run, never was the playmaker we thought he'd be when he came in like a man possessed, no longer with team
C+

Jamaar Taylor, WR
I still cringe, this kid had major potential but never fully recovered from that ACL tear his senior year
F
Drew Strobny, OT
Had potential but didn't last long in Big Blue
F

Isaac Hilton, DE
Never amounted to much on PS no clue where he is now
F

2 guys who are top 5 at their position, a starter and top backup make this draft a B+

NY+Giants=NYG
03-25-2008, 09:29 AM
1 1 (1) Eli Manning
2 2(34) CHRIS SNEE OG BOSTON COLLEGE
4 1(97) REGGIE TORBOR OLB AUBURN
5 4(136) GIBRIL WILSON S TENNESSEE
6 3(168) JAMAAR TAYLOR WR TEXAS A&M
7 2(203) ANDREW STROJNY OT DUKE
7 52(253) Compensatory ISAAC HILTON DE HAMPTON


Overall a very solid draft. Not sure about letter grades, but Eli, Snee, Torbor, and Wilson all contributed to this team in a big way, especially en route to winning a superbowl. Taylor showed promise but got hurt and retired from football. The two 7th round picks were cut. So basically this draft was a good draft for us.

brat316
03-25-2008, 09:35 AM
Patriots:

1. NT Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) = A+
1. TE Ben Watson, Georgia = B
2. DE Marquise Hill, Louisiana St. = Incomplete
3. FS Guss Scott, Florida = D-
4. SS Dexter Reid, North Carolina = F
4. RB Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas = D-
5. WR P.K. Sam, Florida St. = D-
7. CB Christian Morton, Illinois = F

Overall = B

The Patriots ended up landing two starters, Wilfork an elite one, and then a few practice squadders, so it was a pretty good draft considering. I never did get why they drafted Scott, Reid, and Morton, though. I didn't like any of them at all. I was pretty surprised that Cobbs and Sam never did anything though. I didn't evaluate Marquise Hill because he died and was buried on the depth chart.

Hows does 3 D- and 2 Fs and 1 B and 1 A+ = B. Wilfork is good but come on its almost a 5/2 ratio. C+ is what would be reasonable here. B would be possible if the third or 4th round guys had better grades.

YAYareaRB
03-25-2008, 09:49 AM
Hows does 3 D- and 2 Fs and 1 B and 1 A+ = B. Wilfork is good but come on its almost a 5/2 ratio. C+ is what would be reasonable here. B would be possible if the third or 4th round guys had better grades.

Well it's not like you expect to get As and Bs in last couple rounds.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-25-2008, 09:58 AM
1 25 25 William Joseph DT Miami
2 24 56 Osi Umenyiora DE Troy St.
3 27 91 Vishante Shiancoe TE Morgan St.
4 26 123 Rod Babers DB Texas
5 25 160 David Diehl G Illinois
6 26 199 Willie Ponders WR SEMS
6 34 207 Frank Walker DB Tuskegee
6 38 211 David Tyree WR Syracuse
7 26 240 Charles Drake DB Michigan
7 35 249 Wayne Lucier C Colorado
7 41 255 Kevin Walter WR E. Mich




1. Bust
2. Homerun
3 Ok player, got over paid in FA
4 Bust
5 Great player, very versatile!
6 Servicable player
6 ok player. I liked him, but not alot of giants fans did
6 Great special teamer, and wish he got more wr time, even before his big catch. Hopefully he can get a shot now.
7 Bust
7 Bust
7 Bust

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 10:01 AM
Well it's not like you expect to get As and Bs in last couple rounds.

A first round B is different than a sixth round B.

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 10:06 AM
1 25 25 William Joseph DT Miami
2 24 56 Osi Umenyiora DE Troy St.
3 27 91 Vishante Shiancoe TE Morgan St.
4 26 123 Rod Babers DB Texas
5 25 160 David Diehl G Illinois
6 26 199 Willie Ponders WR SEMS
6 34 207 Frank Walker DB Tuskegee
6 38 211 David Tyree WR Syracuse
7 26 240 Charles Drake DB Michigan
7 35 249 Wayne Lucier C Colorado
7 41 255 Kevin Walter WR E. Mich



1. Bust
2. Homerun
3 Ok player, got over paid in FA
4 Bust
5 Great player, very versatile!
6 Servicable player
6 ok player. I liked him, but not alot of giants fans did
6 Great special teamer, and wish he got more wr time, even before his big catch. Hopefully he can get a shot now.
7 Bust
7 Bust
7 Bust

Lucier has done more in the NFL than Frank Walker.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-25-2008, 10:06 AM
Lucier has done more in the NFL than Frank Walker.

Maybe, I don't remember him for some reason.

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 10:11 AM
Maybe, I don't remember him for some reason.

Started a few games for us at center and unlike Walker didn't get flaggedeverytime he touched the field. Moved on pretty quickly though and has made couple of other teams rosterss as a backup guard/center. Nothing special but more than the walking yellow flag frank walker.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-25-2008, 10:15 AM
Started a few games for us at center and unlike Walker didn't get flaggedeverytime he touched the field. Moved on pretty quickly though and has made couple of other teams rosterss as a backup guard/center. Nothing special but more than the walking yellow flag frank walker.

I remember the name just don't remember him on the field for some reason. I liked walker's potential, but it's too bad he kept racking up penalties.

princefielder28
03-25-2008, 10:15 AM
I hate sherman... Carroll over gamble then Sanders in 3rd...ew...

Sherman was quite the man and thats not a compliment

NIN1984
03-25-2008, 10:16 AM
1. Robert Gallery, OT - Was a bust at tackle but played at a very high level at times at guard. C+

2. Jake Grove, OC - Played a bit but struggled a lot and is now a backup. D-

3. Stuart Schweigert. S - Has been our starter at FS for a few years and has made a few plays here and there but isn't really starting martial. C-

The rest of the draft is no longer with the team

Carlos Francis - WR
Johnnie Mortant -WR
Shawn Johnson - DE
Cody Spencer - LB
Courtney Anderson - TE, was a starter for about a year or two, can be a red zone threat.
Andre Sommersell -LB

Overall - Ouch

NY+Giants=NYG
03-25-2008, 10:28 AM
For the Jags fans,

What happened to Matt Jones? I remember him creating a huge buzz during that draft, and now sort of disappeared. Does he get hurt alot? Drop balls? What's the deal with him?

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-25-2008, 10:48 AM
2005 - Detroit Lions

1 Pick 10 Mike Williams WR USC
Seriously 3 WR in a row. Claimed to be a future "HOFer" by Mel Kiper. What a mess. Caught a td in his first game and a td in his last game as a Lion. In between did absolutley nothing and was a health scratch often under Marinelli/Martz. Dropped a pass in 06 that allowed us to pick Calvin Johnson. Weight Problems and not fitting Martz style, poor attitude which didn't work with Marinelli and he was traded/fill in McCown deal after only 2 years with a nice 5 million cap hit.
Grade: Can I give worse than an F. I give a Z for this.

2 37 Shaun Cody DE USC Decent rookie year, then fell into the Millen 2nd round injury curse in year 2 (Boss,Lehman,Cody,Bullokcs all hurt in year 2). Played terrible this year in 07 aside from one 1 int. He's a bullfighter in run defense using the ole' techinque often. Decent rookie year, injured year 2, made it obvious that Shaun Rogers wasn't on the field in 2007. He will be the next Marinelli purge if he doesn't get his act together. Ellis Wyms and Booger McFarland are still available Marinelli. We need to complete the ReBuccaneering.
Grade: D-

Its amazing. 2 USC guys in a program known for dominating and winning National Championships, come to the Lions and turn into garbage.

3 72 Stanley Wilson DB Stanford
Stanley "Toast" Wilson showed flashes in 4 games in 2006 when Bryant had his annual injury. Earned the starting job in 2007 and earned the name "Toast". Even though the Lions were playing well in the first half of 07, Wilson was not and was benched. Then he got injured and went on IR. He made Curtis and Randle El look like pro-bowlers. He like Cody has one more shot but luckily this year he is way down the depth chart.
Grade: D-

5 145 Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut
3rd String QB. Everyone wanted him as the 2nd stringer but he was beaten out by O- Martz Man Crush Sullivan. He has some potential but we have Stanton so we'll never know with Danny O.
Grade C

6 184 Bill Swancutt DE Oregon State
Undersized. Cut before 06 season I believe. If Marinelli doesn't like him, then he's garbage.
Grade: D

6 206 Johnathan Goddard LB Marshall
Never heard of him. He may have been drafted and cut on the same day. I have no clue. Grade:E for effort.

Overall. 3rd string QB, a terrible backup DT IMO and a mess at WR. Not to mention constantly being made fun for picking 3 WRS in a row.

I give this draft a grade of FM: Fire Millen.

TheGreatEscape
03-25-2008, 11:50 AM
I remember the name just don't remember him on the field for some reason. I liked walker's potential, but it's too bad he kept racking up penalties.

He was Ahmad Caroll minus the speed or off field issues.

bsaza2358
03-25-2008, 11:55 AM
Philadelphia

1 (15) Jerome McDougle, DE, Miami (Fl.) Bust. Never did anything worthwhile, likely to be cut in TC this year. F

2. (61) L.J Smith, TE, Rutgers A mediocre TE who's better suited as a backup TE. Okay, but nothing special. C+

3. (95) Billy McMullen, WR, Virginia Bust. Oh God this guy was terrible. Scared to go over the middle, terrible hands etc... F

4. (131) Jamaal Green, DE, Miami. Another bust. Who exactly is he?

6. Jeremy Bridges, G, Mississippi Who? F

7. Norman Lejeune, S, LSU Who? F

WHAT THE **** WAS GOING ON HERE?


1. McDougle never got on track due to injuries early, then tragic luck. Bust for sure, but with a caveat because he got shot.

2. LJ Smith is a B+. Solid weapon, turned himself into a decent blocker. Never became a superstar, but a fringe Pro Bowler.

3. Billy McMullen. D. Agree with your assessment of his skills, but he also was traded to the Vikings for the competent Hank Baskett.

4. Jamaal Green. F. Busted out and never became what he was supposed to be. Was touted like Trent Cole in the draft.

6. Jeremy Bridges. C-. Was a solid guy and backup. Still in the league, I believe.

7. Norman LeJune. F. Never made the team.

keylime_5
03-25-2008, 12:15 PM
Well we got Kellen Winslow and Sean Jones. Let's leave it at that, one of the best tight ends in the game and one of the best young safeties in the AFC. Not much beyond that from Butch Davis.

JT Jag
03-25-2008, 12:19 PM
For the Jags fans,

What happened to Matt Jones? I remember him creating a huge buzz during that draft, and now sort of disappeared. Does he get hurt alot? Drop balls? What's the deal with him?He doesn't give two shits.

He's gone all-out on his routes... perhaps 5 times in his NFL career. And I'm talking individual routes, not games.

He doesn't attempt to improve his technique. He still makes the same boneheaded mistakes now that he made during his rookie year (including repeatedly attempting to make one-handed receptions).

He's totally the opposite of Reggie Williams. Reggie, though very skilled, doesn't have all-world talent like Matt does. But he's the sort of guy who puts in an extra hour with the WRs coach after every practice. That's why he'll be a major contributor for us for a long, long time.

Thunder&Lightning
03-25-2008, 12:44 PM
SD:

1.Merriman- A+
1.Castillo- A-
2.Vincent Jackson- B (soon to be A)
4.Darren Sproles- B-

WMD
03-25-2008, 12:46 PM
Round 1- Roy Williams, WR: B+. Great ability, inconsistent.. He often makes a great catch and then lets an easy one go through his hands. He's been good but not consistent enough to get an A grade from me.. Rumored to be wanting out of Detroit.

Round 1- Kevin Jones, RB: C+. He had a good last half of his Rookie year, but that's it.. He's been injured pretty much ever since. Real hard worker though, he runs tough and is an intense player. Never really put it together in Detroit though. Got cut a little while ago.

Round 2- Teddy Lehman, LB: D+. He had a pretty good rookie year with around 100 tackles.. Often injured. Did nothing since then.. Signed with the Bucs this offseason.

Round 3- Keith Smith, CB: D+. Didn't really do much his first few years, but he had a solid enough season last year with 50 Tackles, 3 INT's and 7 pass deflections.

Round 5- Alex Lewis, LB: D. Your average special teams guy.

Round 6- Kelly Butler, OT: D. Started for us all season at RT in 2005 by default. He did okay. Nothing special, he's on the Browns now.

Overall Grade:: C-

art vandelay
03-25-2008, 01:03 PM
2nd: Taylor Jacobs, practice superstar - E: I don't think he's still playing, let alone starting.

3rd: Derrick Dockery - B-: He played well with the Redskins, unfortunatly we didn't give him the monster contract Buffalo gave him. He's still one of the better pulling guards in the NFL.

7th: Gibran Hamdan - D+: Probably one of the more notable NFL Europa players. Currently he's on the Bills, but I still think he could be a very capable backup in the NFL. I hope he turns into something decent.


Overall: SCREW SPURRIER

LOL, the Bills have more people from the Redskins' '03 Draft than they do. We have Dockery and Hamdan.

EvilMonkey
03-25-2008, 01:13 PM
I hate sherman... Carroll over gamble then Sanders in 3rd...ew...

let us not forget that he traded up to snag BJ Sander....

Solomon
03-25-2008, 01:23 PM
Wow, the Arizona Cardinals cleaned up in 2004. Probably the best draft by any team other than San Diego (Philip Rivers, Igor Olshansky, Nick Hardwick, Nate Kaeding, Shaun Phillips and Ryon Bingham while trading down from #1). Too bad the Cards haven't translated that into the nucleus of a SB level team 4 years later.

1 - WR Larry Fitzgerald: One of the top WRs in the league

2 - OLB Karlos Dansby: Big, athletic, productive, playmaker who was just given a big contract.

3 - DT Darnell Dockett: One of the best interior pass rushers in the league, a fit at DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4

4 - C Alex Stepanovich: Started at center for his first three years, although got injured and didn't do enough to justify the Cards making him a contract offer. Still a good short term solution for a fourth rounder makes this agood pick.

5 - DE Antonio Smith: A very capable player that has improved every season and this year had a career year with 43 tackles and 5.5 sacks. Still just 26 and entering his prime.

6 - C Nick Leckey: The other center drafted by the Cards in '04 started 20 games over four years for the Cards and now plays for the Rams. A good choice for depth near the end of the draft.

7 - QB John Navarre: the only real miss of the draft and even he stayed on the roster for three seasons and got some game time.

JK17
03-25-2008, 02:01 PM
San Diego Chargers

Round 1, Pick 4: Philip Rivers, QB
Grade: B+
Very controversial pick, a lot of people are very high on Rivers, a lot are very low on him. Personally I love Rivers, I think he's tough and a fierce leader, which gets overlooked a lot. He had a dominant first season as a starter, and an average second one. Whether or not he ever reaches "elite" status is to be debated, but there's no question he's a leader and a starting QB in the NFL, which is why I think he deserves a B+, especially considering the trade.

Round 2, Pick 35 Igor Olshansky, DE
Grade: B+
Igor is the prototypical 3-4 Defensive End, and plays with an intensity most players don't have. He runs his mouth a little bit, but lets not hide it, we're the Chargers, that stuff happens. Overall his production has been great and he's a key piece to the defense which has been strong and a big part of our success down the stretch.

Round 3, Pick 65: Nate Kaeding, K
Grade: B+
Kaeding is automatic under 50 yards, and not bad from about the 52 yard mark. After that its up in the air, as leg strength is his most obvious weakness and his reputation in the playoffs. However, this year he played with a broken plant leg in the playoffs and still managed to rack up 4 field goals in a tough New England environment, as well as enjoying a lot of regular seaosn success.

Round 3, Pick 66 Nick Hardwick, C
Grade: A
Taken in the third round, Hardwick has been a great Center, and one of the best in the NFL. He's a great blocker and a leader on the offensive line, to see how much, just look at the stretch where he wasn't active because of injury, and see how much blitz pickup suffered.

Round 4, Pick 98: Shaun Phillips, OLB
Grade: A
I'm weary of giving an A+ which is why Phillips has just an A, but for a player taken in the routh round, Phillips has dominated, and been a key piece to our defense. He generates great pressure opposite Merriman, and always seems to be in the right place in the clutch. Excellent value, and an excellent player.

Round 5, Pick 133: Dave Ball, DE
Grade: F
The first miss of this draft, Ball was off the roster by 2005

Round 5, Pick 154: Michael Turner, RB
Grade: A
Michael Turner has been one of, if not the best backup RB in the NFL over the past two years. He helped spell LT and perserve his career, get him rest, etc., plus he put away Indy in 2005 in that memorable game to snap their unbeaten streak. Now off the roster, which is why I didn't give the A+, for a fifth rounder, Turner was a huge hit.

Round 6, Pick 169: Ryan Krause, TE
Grade: D
He was on the roster for a bunch of years, always injured, but always seemed to shine in that last, irrelevant game of the year. Overall ended up getting cut, and had some off the field issues. The second bad pick of the draft.

Round 7, Pick 204: Ryan Bingham, DE/DT
Grade: B
Bingham isn't a great, or even dominant backup, but when Jamal or one of the Defensive Ends goes down he does "good enough" to keep the chemistry of the defense flowing until the other players can get back out there. 7th rounder still on the roster as a backup is pretty solid.

Round 7, Pick 209: Shane Olivea, OT
Grade: B+
Olivea was just released this year after starting to slow down a little bit, but while he was hear he completed one of the best O-Lines in recent memory in 2006. To find a starting RT at round 7 who can perform adequately is pretty impressive, making this a pretty good pick.

Round 7, Pick 204: Carlos Joseph, OT
Grade: F
Never did anything

UDFA: While these don't count, especially since Wes Welker ended up leaving since he didn't want the practice squad, AJ did pickup and spot Welker's talent, which is just kind of a fun fact.

Overall: A
This draft is where AJ Smith brokeout as a GM: Philip Rivers, Igor Olshansky, Nate Kaeding, Nick Hardwick, Shaun Phillips, Michael Turner, Ryan Bigham and Shane Olivea make a pretty nice draft class, especiall when you consider we also netted the picks that got us Shawne Merriman and Roman Oben for a couple years.

skinzzfan25
03-25-2008, 02:03 PM
LOL, the Bills have more people from the Redskins' '03 Draft than they do. We have Dockery and Hamdan.

Good, take em all.

I don't want my Redskins being team Florida.

art vandelay
03-25-2008, 02:07 PM
Good, take em all.

I don't want my Redskins being team Florida.

I'll take Dockery every day. I think he only let up like 1.5 sacks last year and as you said is a great pulling guard. Hamdan looks good holding that clipboard:)

757Dawg
03-25-2008, 02:31 PM
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1. Kellen Winslow
GRADE: A
-- After missing nearly all of his rookie season with a broken leg and the entire 2005 season following the motorcycle incident, the odds were definitely stacked against Kellen becoming anywhere close to the player he was in college. Thankfully enough for Browns fans, there may not be a player in the league with as much heart and determination as K2. Unfortunately, it's not likely he's going to last much longer in the league. As long as he can play though, he's going to keep busting his ass and performing at a high level.

2. Sean Jones
GRADE: B
Jones tore his ACL during the preseason of '04 and then only saw limited action the following year. However, he seemingly came out of nowhere in '06 to earn a starting safety spot (beating out the favored Brodney Pool in the process). Jones put together a fantastic season, notching over 100 tackles, picking off 5 passes, and becoming an enforcer in the secondary. Another solid season in '07 has established Jones as a legit player.

4. Luke McCown
GRADE: D-
After Jeff Garcia went down, McCown took over the starting job and looked extremely unimpressive. Granted, the team around him was equally as terrible, so whatever. He was traded to Tampa Bay the following April during the draft.

5. Amon Gordon
GRADE: F
Played in a handful of games in '04 and was inactive for all of the '05 season before being released.

6. Kirk Chambers
GRADE: D-
Actually appeared in several games between the '04 and '05 seasons. Of course he played terrible, though. Eventually released.

7. Adimchinobe Echemandu
GRADE: F
He managed to stay on the roster for the year and saw limited action near the end of the season. That's really just a testament to just how pathetic that 2004 roster really was, though. I believe he was released following the year.

OVERALL GRADE: B-
The only players worth a damn obviously have been Winslow and Jones. Both remain key players for the team and are two of the extremely few players that remain from the Butch Davis era. Thankfully, this was the final draft under Davis.

*Some of you people criticizing these overall grades need to fine tune your line of thinking. I've seen several "how can it be a B if you have all of those Fs?" type of responses. Are you serious? It's not hard to realize that if you come away with a good player with an early pick, it's greatly going to outweigh bad picks from the second day. If you have a game changer such as a Kellen Winslow or Braylon Edwards, you don't devalue those picks just because you missed on late round picks. You grade the draft as a whole, yes, but you have to take into account just who you got. It's really not that hard to understand.

Woody56
03-25-2008, 02:35 PM
1 25 25 William Joseph DT Miami
2 24 56 Osi Umenyiora DE Troy St.
3 27 91 Vishante Shiancoe TE Morgan St.
4 26 123 Rod Babers DB Texas
5 25 160 David Diehl G Illinois
6 26 199 Willie Ponders WR SEMS
6 34 207 Frank Walker DB Tuskegee
6 38 211 David Tyree WR Syracuse
7 26 240 Charles Drake DB Michigan
7 35 249 Wayne Lucier C Colorado
7 41 255 Kevin Walter WR E. Mich




1. Bust
2. Homerun
3 Ok player, got over paid in FA
4 Bust
5 Great player, very versatile!
6 Servicable player
6 ok player. I liked him, but not alot of giants fans did
6 Great special teamer, and wish he got more wr time, even before his big catch. Hopefully he can get a shot now.
7 Bust
7 Bust
7 Bust

Don't know how you can call Kevin Walter a bust. He caught 65 balls last year for 800 yards and 4 Td's for the Texans last year and was a 7th round pick.

nfrillman
03-25-2008, 02:50 PM
He doesn't attempt to improve his technique. He still makes the same boneheaded mistakes now that he made during his rookie year (including repeatedly attempting to make one-handed receptions).


Yeah, but that allowed him to get the "spectacular catch" weapon Madden. Man, some of the weapons they give people on that game are ridiculous.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 02:53 PM
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1. Braylon Edwards
GRADE: A+
-- After dealing with injuries and sub-par (and that's putting it lightly) QB play through his first two seasons, things finally clicked for Braylon in '07 as he developed into a top tier WR, more or less rewriting the Browns receiving records in the process.

2. Brodney Pool
GRADE: C
-- Pool was drafted at only 20 years of age, so he was still relatively raw coming into the league. His rookie season consisted mostly of special teams and spotty appearances in the secondary, which was to be expected. In '06, with Brian Russell still blocking a starting safety spot, Pool saw action all over the secondary, even notching a few starts at CB. After Russell left as a free agent following the season, most Browns fans felt Pool would breakout as he was now virtually guaranteed a starting role. Unfortunately, he put together an uneventful and mediocre '07 season and is yet to develop into the player we envisioned him becoming when he was selected with the second pick of the 2nd round.

3. Charlie Frye
GRADE: F
-- After taking over for Trent Dilfer in '05, Frye looked like your typical rookie QB, but he did show some promise and hopes were marginally high for his sophomore season in '06. That never happened as 2006 was one of the most forgetful years in Browns history. It was painfully obvious that Frye was not going to be the future as he failed to develop in any facet of the game. Somehow, someway he managed to "win" the starting job to start the '07 season only to replaced by Derek Anderson in the first game before the end of the first half. Charlie Frye was arguably the worst QB the Browns have had since '99 and that is saying a hell of a lot. Definition of an "F" player.

4. Antonio Perkins
GRADE: F
-- The selection of Perkins came as quite a surprise to Browns fans as there were still a handful of quality linemen on the board to start the 4th round. During his collegiate career, Perkins had developed into a dangerous return man and it was expected that would be his primary role with the Browns. That never happened as UDFA Josh Cribbs locked down the KR job while Dennis Northcutt maintained the PR spot. Perkins never saw the field in '05 and was only active for 5 games in '06 before he was released for good.

5. David McMillan
GRADE: D-
-- McMillan still remains on the roster, which is rather puzzling. What's more puzzling is the fact he never manages to see any kind of significant playing time. It seems that McMillan has a great training camp/preseason every year, but is never heard of after the regular season kicks off.

6A. Nick Speegle
GRADE: F
-- Speegle appeared in several games during his rookie season, but has not seen the field since. I don't even know/care if he's still on the roster to be honest.

6B. Andrew Hoffman
GRADE: F
Hoffman, or "Kegger" as he was most commonly referred to as (arrested for stealing a keg in college), came into the league as a defensive lineman who had experience in the 3-4 under Al Groh. However, he was soon moved to OG and has never seen the field in his career.

7. Jon Dunn
GRADE: F
After a very productive collegiate career at VT, I was personally ecstatic when Dunn fell to the Browns in the 7th round. Not to mention Dunn is the only person of any kind of fame to come out of my old high school. Unfortunately, I don't believe Dunn ever made it off the practice squad and was released following the season.

OVERALL GRADE: B
-- Although nearly every one of our 8 picks was a miss, the fact that Braylon Edwards has become easily a top 5 NFL WR and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." It's quite the jump for just one player, but you have to take into account just who that one player is. Plus, the book is still not closed on Brodney Pool. With a vastly improved DL in '08, the play of the LBs should benefit tremendously, which in turn will improve the play of the DBs. In which case, a top tier, star talent in Edwards and above average starter in Pool is more than enough for me to give this draft a "B" despite the fact the 3rd-7th rounds were a complete and utter wash.


First of all I know he wasnt drafted, but you have to include Joshua Cribbs. He was an undrafted FA pick-up for the Browns.

I think our draft grade after including Cribbs should be a C-.

"and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." "

Braylon is great, but did tie for #1 in the NFL this year for dropped passes with 12, one of them even cost us the Pittsburg game. Which in turn would have put us in the playoffs. And the Browns have had a pretty productive history so to say hes one of the most productive in his first season as a NON bust in pretty durastic. Lets just wait and see before we go there....

757Dawg
03-25-2008, 03:00 PM
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1. Jeff Faine
GRADE: C
-- Faine was a decent player for us, but just didn't seem to fit well in the AFC North. His game is not suited for a power run offense, which we tried to instill. Going against the likes of Casey Hampton and the other big time DTs of the division didn't help either. He was eventually traded to New Orleans following the LeCharles Bentley signing where he became a very solid player. He just signed the largest contract ever for a center as well, so the guy's definitely a quality lineman. Just didn't work out well in Cleveland.

2. Chaun Thompson
GRADE: C
-- Thompson managed to stick around for 5 seasons and saw some extensive playing time along the way before being relegated to special teams in 2006. He has excellent physical qualities, but things never materialized for him in Cleveland. Now that he's in Houston and will be able to settle into a set role for a change, I expect he'll finally breakout.

3. Chris Crocker
GRADE: C
-- Crocker was actually a decent player for the Browns in the three seasons he was here. He was nothing special, but he played alright and started a lot of games in the secondary. He was eventually traded to Atlanta for a 4th round pick, so he didn't lose too much value in those three years.

4. Lee Suggs
GRADE: C-
-- As a VT fan, I was extremely excited when we were able to land Suggs on the second day. We had just drafted William Green in the 1st round the previous year and he was coming off a very nice rookie season, but there was just too much value in Suggs to pass up at that point. He didn't play until the end of the season in '04 as he was on the PUP list I believe, but capped it off with a monster finale against Cincinnati, which in turn eliminated them from the playoffs. He then missed several games with injury the next year, but still put up some quality numbers. That was pretty much it for Suggs as a Brown. He constantly battled injuries, namely turf toe, and just couldn't stay healthy.

5A. Ryan Pontbriand
GRADE: B
-- We actually drafted a long snapper. In the 5th round. At the time, it was considered one of the worst picks in draft history. Ironically, Pontbriand is the only player left from this class and made the Pro Bowl this past season. What was panned as a laughable pick became one of Butch Davis' best. Go figure.

5B. Michael Lehan
GRADE: C-
Another player who actually was relatively decent for the Browns given his draft spot. He stuck around for three years playing in several games during that stretch.

6. Antonio Garay
GRADE: F
Never even saw the field as a Brown.

OVERALL GRADE: D
Granted, a few decent players were drafted, but this was by all means a HORRIBLE draft. Other than Pontbriand, none of these players remained with the Browns for very long and all had limited impact. A very typical Butch Davis draft. Although it should be noted Leigh Bodden was picked up as a UDFA.

neko4
03-25-2008, 03:22 PM
I like Lee Suggs, too bad he couldnt stay healthy

d34ng3l021
03-25-2008, 03:30 PM
Roddy White and Michael Boley we our stars. Nice to get 2 stars out of a draft. We got a couple of good role players as well. Pretty good draft.

RaiderNation
03-25-2008, 05:25 PM
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska C+
2. Stanford Routt, CB, Houston C+
3a. Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State D
3b. Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State A-
6a. Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin F
6b. Ryan Riddle, LB, California F
6c. Pete McMahon, OT, Iowa F

Overall: Got a good starting MLB and 2 above average CB's

RaiderNation
03-25-2008, 05:26 PM
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California A+
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado D
2. Teyo Johnson, TE, Stanford F
3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State C-
3b. Justin Fargas, RB, USC C+
4. Shurron Pierson, LB, South Florida F
5. Doug Gabriel, WR, Central Florida D-
6. Dustin Rykert, T, BYU F
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, S, New Mexico State F
7b. Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus F

RaiderNation
03-25-2008, 05:27 PM
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa D+
2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech C-
3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue C-
4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech D-
5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse F
6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware F
6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas F
7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State D-

hugegmenfan
03-25-2008, 05:39 PM
1 1 (1) Eli Manning Qb Ole Miss- A
Eli is our franchise Qb. Although it has taken him a couple of years to really get going- he is one of the primary reasons for our success this past season. He struggles sometimes and is somewhat inconsistent, but based on this past seasons playoffs, there is no reason to believe he will not be like that all the time.

2 2(34) Chris Snee SG BC- B+/A-
I was intially hesitant about Snee because he knocked up Coughlins daughter, which is why I thought there was a conflict of interest. But Snee has turned into a pro-bowl caliber guard.

4 1(97) Reggie Torbor OLB Auburn- C+/B-
Torbor is a very fast, speedy linebacker, that had trouble in his first couple of years getting a real mastery of the position. When he did play a couple of years ago, he seemed like nothing more than a backup. However this past year on our super bowl run he filled in fabulously for Kiwi. But who knows if that success can continue in Miami

5 4(136) Gibril Wilson S Tenneesee- B+
Wilson unfortunately left us because he wanted top dollars which we would not give him. He had a great rookie season but his 2nd and 3rd seasons in the league, i thought he had lost a step. But this past year he solidified himself, and also had to cover for mistakes by James Butler a lot so had double duty.

6 3(168) Jamaar Taylor WR Texas A & M- F

7 2(203) Andrew Strojny OT Duke- F

7 52(253) Compensatory Issac Hilton DT Hampton- F

Rounds 6 and 7 were a wash, but the first 4 players turned out to be quality/pro bowl type caliber starters

ninerfan
03-25-2008, 05:40 PM
What would have Eli been rated if this thread was started last November ?

BamaFalcon59
03-25-2008, 05:40 PM
We grabbed DeAngelo Hall, who will be a shutdown cornerback for us for many years. Oh, wait...

Joeyjr09
03-25-2008, 05:46 PM
Miami Dolphins:

Ronnie Brown: (B+) Was the league best back thru the 1st 6 or so games last season and showed why he was the number 2 overall pick. He has had some injury problems but when healthy, he showed he has what it takes to be an elite NFL back. Improved every year and broke out last season prior to injury.

Matt Roth: (C) Shined as a backup and role player thru his 1st 2 seasons but was over his head as a starter last season. He will be given another shot and seems likely to improve with more experience but right now he is an average pick. Solid player but nothing more then situational and depth, you expect more for a high 2nd rounder.

Channing Crowder: (A) He blew up during his rookie year and was one of the best young LBs in the league. He has continued to be a solid LB and doesn't miss many tackles, but he hasn't make many plays either. He's solid and he is definately a good starting NFL LB but our fans think he's capable of getting to the next level. So far tho, getting a solid starting LB in round 3 is a good pickup.

Travis Daniels: (D): Played well his rookie season and since then it's been way downhill. He gets hurt alot, he was moved from CB to S and then back to CB and has yet to find a full time spot because he has been so bad at everything. I'll be surprised if Ireland keeps him around.

Anthony Alabi: (F) He has being developed as a potential RT of the future for us. Except coaches missed the fact that he sucked every time he touched the field. He was our swing OT during the years that our OL was the leagues worse and while people raved about him in practice, he sucked in games. We let him go this offseason.

Kevin Vickerson: (F) Was on the PS for 2 years and then let go. Wasted pick.

Overall, I'd give this draft a solid B-. Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder are basically the only young cornerstones this team has going foward and Matt Roth has turned into a solid role player (When he's not forced to start). Getting 2 starters and a solid backup out of 6 picks is nothing to scoff at. Solid draft overall.

Joeyjr09
03-25-2008, 06:00 PM
Miami Dolphins:

Vernon Carey, LT: (A) He turned out to be a solid pickup. Played well at OG his rookie season, then moved to RT for a couple years where he was on his way to being one of the leagues best. Held his own last season at LT. Had lapses at times but didn't get help from the LG either. With another year under his belt, he could move into the top half of the leagues starting LTs.

Will Poole, CB: (D-) Was solid and had alot of promise until injuries killed his career.

Tony Bua, LB: (F) Was out of the league in a handful of years but type his name into youtube and you'll see one of the hardest hits of this past decade against the Rams. Too bad hitting was all he did.

Rex Hadnot, OG/C: (A) We let him walk this season because he was asking for more then he was worth but getting a 4 year starter at OG and C out of a 6th round pick is worth an A in itself.

Tony Pape, OT: (F) Career PS journeyman.

Derrick Pope, LB: (B+) He was a solid 4th/5th LB and has a nice niche on ST for us. Has craved out a decent career for himself doing the dirty work. Walked this offseason because he isn't a fit for the Parcells scheme but he was solid while he was here and did exactly what you hope a 7th round pick would do.

DeathbyStat
03-25-2008, 06:50 PM
Steelers

Ben Roethlisberger A-


Ricardo Colclough F


Max Starks C+


Nathaniel Adibi F


Bo Lacy F

Eric Taylor F


Total Grade C+

Wow other than Ben this was truly awfull

smittyjs
03-25-2008, 06:53 PM
Titans
1) CB Andre Woolfolk - another Floyd Reese project pick...bust
2) WR Tyrone Calico - major potential, but blew out both knees in his second year, and was never the same. Cut in 2006.
3) RB Chris Brown - talented but fragile. Recently signed with the Texans.
4) DT Rien Long - former Outland trophy winner progressed nicely in his first three years, but a ruptured Achilles', a severe staph infection, and a horrific car accident have likely ended his career.
5) S Donnie Nickey - ST specialist, not currently on a roster
7) OT Todd Williams - spent a couple years on the roster, never played.

Not a single 2003 draftee left on the roster. Overall grade: DThe truth hurts :(

Addict
03-25-2008, 06:53 PM
We grabbed DeAngelo Hall, who will be a shutdown cornerback for us for many years. Oh, wait...

your sig says it all.

smittyjs
03-25-2008, 06:55 PM
Roddy White and Michael Boley we our stars. Nice to get 2 stars out of a draft. We got a couple of good role players as well. Pretty good draft.
I don't think white is from the 03 draft class, wasn't he in the 05 class??

skinzzfan25
03-25-2008, 06:58 PM
I don't think white is from the 03 draft class, wasn't he in the 05 class??

Yep, he was in '05.

jth1331
03-25-2008, 07:04 PM
Broncos:
Traded 1st round for Redskins 1st rounder in 2006 and a 3rd rounder in 2005, enabling them to have the power to trade up to get Cutler.
2nd - Darrent Williams, CB, OSU: Was developing into a promising #2 CB and a decent punt returner until the unfortunate death after the last game of the 2006 season. Was really sad and bummed, because it seemed like the kid wanted to work hard to become a good CB.
Grade: B

3a - Karl Paymah, CB, WSU: Has developed slowly and become a decent 3rd/4th CB, but nothing really spectacular. Probably won't be anything more, but who knows, maybe he'll work harder and develop even more.
Grade: D+

3b - Dominique Foxworth, CB, Maryland: Is an okay CB, flourished his rookie year, but hasn't really progressed much, and for some reason the coaching staff wants to move his small frame to Safety so he can get abused on running plays. If he works hard, can develop into a quality #2 CB.
Grade: C-

3c - Maurice Clarett, RB, OSU: I was pissed at this pick when it was made, and made the Broncos the laughing stock of the league. What is funny, is if Clarett actually gave a **** about football, he probably would've ended up playing a pretty big role on the team. But he had injuries and a horrible work ethic and makes this pick an abysmal mistake.
Grade: F------

6th - Chris Meyers, OL, Miami: Took awhile, but developed into a decent starting OL. Nothing really special IMO, but probably will serve as an adequate starting C for the Texans. Won't get any Pro Bowls or blow people away/dominant though.
Grade: B-

7th - Paul Ernster, P/K, Northern Arizona: Guy was nothing really, showed some flashes to being the punter, but then ensued to friggen suck monkey balls. I mean, we are talking about maybe 40 yard punts in fricken Denver, while opposing punters would be booting them 60 yards.
Grade: F

Overall, nothing special, has a couple depth guys at CB, would've been 2 decent starters if Darrent hadn't passed away to go along with 2 horrible picks.

Grade: C-

Some people are grading very generously, I've seen.

Marino13
03-25-2008, 08:41 PM
Miami has 1 player on the roster from this draft (Yeremiah Bell) so I'm not gonna talk about it.

Yung Flippa
03-25-2008, 09:20 PM
Baltimore's Draft:
2) Dwan Edwards - C - Average Back-Up.
3) Devard Darling - C+ - Showed his potential this season, too bad he won't be in the purple and black next year. (Damn Chiefs)
5) Roderick Green - C - I think that he's an solid back-up for the Niners.
6) Josh Harris - F - Who?
6) Clarence Moore - C - Showed some real potential during his rookie season, but that was about it.
7) Derek Abney - F - Who?
7) Brian Rimpf - D - Okay Back-Up, I guess?

This was a really bad draft. I would probably say this was the worst draft in Baltimore History.

Yung Flippa
03-25-2008, 09:36 PM
Houston's Draft:
1) Dunta Robinson - A- - Very solid starter, had a great season this season before getting injured.
1b) Jason Babin - D+ - Didn't really do that much. With Seattle now.
4) Glenn Earl - C - Solid player, who's had to step into the starting line-up.
6) Vontez Duff - F - Who?
6b) Jamal Lord - F - Who?
6c) Charlie Anderson - C- - Didn't do that much in Houston, but has potential. Now in Miami.
7) Raheem Orr - F - Who?
7b) Sloan Thomas - F - Who?
7c) BJ Symons - F- Who?

MicktheGreat
03-26-2008, 12:24 AM
TITANS

TE Ben Troupe (Round 2, #40) -- D+
Had a lot of potential but never could capitalize on it. Would make a spectacular catch-and-run, but would follow that up with a missed blocking assignment or an easy drop or a poor route. Cut this offseason and signed with TB, I think. Still has the talent to be an impact TE in the league but has a long way to go to mastering the mental aspects of the game.

DE Travis LaBoy (Round 2, #42) -- C+
Solid player who started for us for several seasons. A liability against the run but can be a fairly (not great but good) disruption as a pass-rusher. Recently signed with the Cards. Could project as an DE/OLB hybrid/pass-rushing specialist but has to overcome some injury problems that he's had in the past couple of seasons.

DE Antwan Odom (Round 2, #57) -- B
Finally came into his own as a player this season and promptly left the team to sign with the Bengals. Solid against the run and the pass and has the potential to get better. Not a great DE but a good one, who can probably get 8-10 sacks/year.

DT Randy Starks (Round 3, #71) -- D+
Showed promise as a rookie but never developed. Was easily pushed around and couldn't stop the run. Eventually, he was replaced by UDFA Tony Brown. Signed with the Dolphins this offseason.

CB Rich Gardner (Round 3, #92) -- F
Played a little bit of CB for us, but mostly helped out on special teams. Not sure where he's at now.

DE Bo Schobel (Round 4, #103) -- F
The Titans had high hopes for him but his career was beset by pretty major injuries in his first couple of years. Eventually cut from the team.

CB Michael Waddell (Round 4, #124) -- D-
Another guy that got some playing time with us early on at CB and special teams. Had great speed and the coaching staff tried really hard to turn him into a kick-returner but he lacked the field-vision to make it happen. Had some potential but eventually cut.

OG Jacob Bell (Round 5, #138) -- A
Great pick here. Bell's been one of the more underrated OGs in the game for the past couple of seasons. He isn't overly big or strong; however, he moves well and has a knack for getting into the second level of defenders. Not the type of player to anchor your OL but a very good part. Signed with the Rams this offseason.

LB Rob Reynolds (Round 5, #165) -- F
Depth pick who played special teams. No longer with the team, I think.

FB Troy Fleming (Round 6, #191) -- D+
Fleming actually started for us for a couple of seasons, and he had some potential as a runner and pass-catcher. However, he wasn't all that great of a blocker, which is a problem when you're a FB. Eventually lost his job to UDFA Ahmard Hall.

DT Jared Clauss, (Round 7, #230) -- F
Decent depth guy who was on-roster for a couple of seasons. Not sure where he's at now.

C/OG Eugene Amano (Round 7, #239) -- B-
Another good OL pick late in the draft. Amano's been a reliable backup for us for awhile and has looked good when given the chance. His versatility on the OL makes him valuable, and he'll have a chance to win the starting OG job this season.

TE Sean McHugh (Round 7, #241) -- F
Not sure if he even made the roster.

OVERALL GRADE: C-
Couple of disappointing "potential" picks here in Ben Troupe, Randy Starks, and Michael Waddell. However, Travis LaBoy was a decent starter for us for several years, and Antwan Odom seems to finally have come into his own. And the late-round OL guys (Jacob Bell & Eugene Amano) really contributed to the Titans' offense. Unfortunately, with the exception of Amano, all of those guys are gone now. If we'd re-signed either Bell or Odom this offseason, this overall grade would probably be something like a "C+."

bearsfan_51
03-26-2008, 12:39 AM
2004

Tommie Harris- A
Tank Johnson- D-
Bernard Berrian- A-
Nathan Vasher- A

Don't remember anyone else, but 2004 'twas a good year for the Bears.

tom
03-26-2008, 12:50 AM
Ben Roethlisberger A+ Best QB in the League

Ricardo Colclough B could be better

Max Starks A Kick ass franchise player

Nathaniel Adibi B could be better

Bo Lacy B could be better

Eric Taylor B could be better


Total Grade A

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this draft was like so super amazing kick ass like a ninja

TheGreatEscape
03-26-2008, 02:59 AM
What would have Eli been rated if this thread was started last November ?
Probably a B/B-, leading your team to a superbowl and motivating my sn with one of the greatest plays in superbowl history tends to improve people's opinion of you, but I've been an "Eli apologist" for since that comeback against denver early his sophomore year.

TheGreatEscape
03-26-2008, 03:04 AM
Houston's Draft:
1) Dunta Robinson - A- - Very solid starter, had a great season this season before getting injured.
1b) Jason Babin - D+ - Didn't really do that much. With Seattle now.
4) Glenn Earl - C - Solid player, who's had to step into the starting line-up.
6) Vontez Duff - F - Who?
6b) Jamal Lord - F - Who?
6c) Charlie Anderson - C- - Didn't do that much in Houston, but has potential. Now in Miami.
7) Raheem Orr - F - Who?
7b) Sloan Thomas - F - Who?
7c) BJ Symons - F- Who?

Did you mean Shantee Orr? If so I disagree as he's shown potential to be a good 3-4 rush backer, hopefully he gets that shot in cleveland.

TheGreatEscape
03-26-2008, 03:09 AM
Ben Roethlisberger A+ Best QB in the League

Ricardo Colclough B could be better

Max Starks A Kick ass franchise player

Nathaniel Adibi B could be better

Bo Lacy B could be better

Eric Taylor B could be better


Total Grade A

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this draft was like so super amazing kick ass like a ninja

Could you please explain these grades because i tend to agree more with the previous steelers fan.

Dam8610
03-26-2008, 03:15 AM
I don't want to sound like a homer

http://www.econ.upf.edu/~fleiss/Welcome1_files/homer-doh.jpg

DeathbyStat
03-26-2008, 08:21 AM
Ben Roethlisberger A+ Best QB in the League

Ricardo Colclough B could be better

Max Starks A Kick ass franchise player

Nathaniel Adibi B could be better

Bo Lacy B could be better

Eric Taylor B could be better


Total Grade A

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this draft was like so super amazing kick ass like a ninja

All those other guys except Ben and Starks should be Fs and at best Ds

the_legend_killer
03-26-2008, 08:49 AM
Minnesota Vikings 2004 Draft
1st- Kenechi Udeze DE- C (Hasn't been a factor rushing the passer, but hasn't been totally bad either)
2nd- Dontarrious Thomas OLB- D+ (Had the measurables, but could never put it together and take a starting spot. Signed with SF)
3rd- Darrion Scott DE- C (Had his moments, but never took initiative to grab a starting DE spot)
4th- Nat Dorsey OT- F (Didn't do much then was traded for Melvin Fowler, who also didn't do much of anything)
4th- Mewelde Moore RB- B (Played well when given the chance, but once Taylor and AP came he became expendable)
5th- Rod Davis OLB- D- (Hung around a few years, but was never anything more than a ST player)
6th- Deandre Eiland S- F (Pretty sure he didn't last until the season)
7th- Jeff Dugan TE- B (Has stuck around and worked his way into the TE rotation. Solid blocker).

Overall I'd say it's not really good: C-

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 10:46 AM
Steelers

Ben Roethlisberger A-


Ricardo Colclough F


Max Starks C+


Nathaniel Adibi F


Bo Lacy F

Eric Taylor F


Total Grade C+

Wow other than Ben this was truly awfull

Definately agree that that wasn't the greatest draft that the steelers have had in recent memory. At least we got ourselves a damn good QB :)

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 10:48 AM
Ben Roethlisberger A+ Best QB in the League

Ricardo Colclough B could be better

Max Starks A Kick ass franchise player

Nathaniel Adibi B could be better

Bo Lacy B could be better

Eric Taylor B could be better


Total Grade A

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this draft was like so super amazing kick ass like a ninja

Are you high?

Sniper
03-26-2008, 11:02 AM
Looked for a thread on this one and couldn't find one. Anyways, I want to brag about a draft the Eagles didn't **** up, so here it is.

1. (26) Lito Sheppard, CB, Florida A. A Pro Bowler when healthy, Lito kills the Cowboys with eight of his career 17 picks against them. Works for me. Unfortunately, he's likely ticketed out of town with the acquisition of Asante Samuel.

2. (58) Michael Lewis, S, Colorado B. Made a Pro Bowl after a season where he crushed anything in his path. Was a great sidekick for Dawkins and was part of an elite DB group. Unfortunately, his game went south after a while and he couldn't cover anyone, but still managed a big paycheck from the 49ers.

2. (59) Sheldon Brown, CB, South Carolina. B+ One of the more underrated CBs in the league. Physical and one of the best tackling CBs in the league. Has nightmares of Plaxico Burress, but other than, a very solid CB.

3. (91) Brian Westbrook, RB, Villanova A+. One of the league's best backs and its most versatile back, Westbrook is the ****. He doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves around the league, but is a viable threat for 2,000 total yards every year now.

4. (124) Scott Peters, C, Arizona State. F. I don't know what he's up to these days.

5. (162) Freddie Milons, WR, Alabama. F. See Scott Peters

6. (198) Tyreo Harrison, LB, Notre Dame. F. Same

7. (238) Raheem Brock, DE, Temple D Didn't do much for the Eagles, but now is a good player for the Colts.

Well we got Sheppard, Lewis, Brown and Westbrook that all made major contributions and three of the four are still with the squad, though that will change soon. Westbrook alone makes it a great draft.

A-

FloridaFootball
03-26-2008, 11:17 AM
Redskins

Round 1 (32) - Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane - "C-"
Patrick Ramsey had a lot of potential coming out of college and Steve Spurrier fell in love with his cannon of an arm and would try to implament his strong arm into his fun n gun college offense. Ramsey turned bust due to Spurrier not protecting him and poor coaching. Ramsey when given time to actually take a three step drop was a decent pocket passer, 2005 was supposed to be his year under Gibbs as the starter, but in the opener lance briggs leveled him and ramsey left the game with a concussion. Brunell stepped in and played the rest of the season leading us to the playoff, we traded Ramsey to the Jets for a 6th round pick.

Round 2 (56) - Ladell Betts RB Iowa - "B"
Betts is your textbook backup runningback, doesn't get a lot of attention because of Portis but when portis got injured in 2006, betts stepped in and rushed for over 1000 yards in like 7 games....signed extension after his 1,000 yard season with the skins.

all i have time to post as of right now..

21ST
03-26-2008, 11:26 AM
For the redskins

Round 1. Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane F
He never really had much of a chance to be anything good. He never had an O-line or a coach.

Round 2. Ladell Betts RB Iowa D
He is still with the team surprisingly. Decent special teamer below average RB

Round 3. Rashad Bauman CB Oregon F
not in the league anymore

Round 3. Cliff Russell WR Utah F
real fast thats about it not in the league anymore

Round 5. Andre Lott S Tennessee C
one of the better picks in the draft, he is not on the team or in the league anymore but when he did play for us he was pretty good. Injury problems hurt him.

Round 5. Robert Royal TE LSU C+
Damn shame he is the best pick in this draft and doesn't even play for us anymore. Excellent blocking TE and a decent receiving threat.

Round 6. Reggie Coleman T Tennessee F
not in the leauge

Round 7. Jeff Grau, LS, UCLA F
not in the leauge

Round 7. Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
not in the leauge

Round 7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St. D+
read ladell betts, Cartwright is a leader though and that counts for something

Overall F

terribletowel39
03-26-2008, 11:38 AM
Ben Roethlisberger A+ Best QB in the League

Ricardo Colclough B could be better

Max Starks A Kick ass franchise player

Nathaniel Adibi B could be better

Bo Lacy B could be better

Eric Taylor B could be better


Total Grade A

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this draft was like so super amazing kick ass like a ninja
please go back to myspace. only two of those players are even with our team anymore. they sucked that hard. not even PS i believe. so noo....you are incorrect.

Jughead10
03-26-2008, 11:39 AM
1. (14) Jeremy Shockey, TE, Miami - A
People love to hate him but he is in the upper tier of TEs in the league. Dangerous with the ball in his hand. Has improved into one of the best blocking TEs in the league. Pro Bowler most years when he is healthy.

2. (46) Tim Lewis, WR, Auburn - F
People can fall in love with his speed. But he was always hurt with serious injuries and when he was on the field, he didn't do anything except drop deep passes.

3. (78) Jeff Hatch, OT, Pennsylvania - D-
Reached for this guy. Career never really took off at all because of constant back injuries. Really killed his career before it ever started. Would have given this pick an F, but I respect them for taking a chance on an ivy league guy.

5. (152) Nick Greisen, LB, Wisconsin - C+
I believe Nick led the entire NCAA in tackles his senior season. Became a decent pro. Jumping back and forth between being a starter or just a depth guy. Good special teamer. Was with Jacksonsville, have no idea if he is still there or somewhere else. Bottom line is that he is a good guy to have on your team. A 4th linebacker than come in a play all three positions decently. A little slow for the weakside though.

6. (188) Wesly Mallard, LB, Oregon - C-
Provided depth for a couple of seasons and played good special teams. I believe was with the Patriots either last season or the season before, have no idea now. I personally don't expect more out of picks this late than depth and special teams play, and he did those things well, thus the generous C- grade.

7. (226) Daryl Jones, WR, Miami - D
Actually played admirably his rookie year as the Giants WRs were hurt with injuries. Had to start a few games down the stretch and I believe even started the playoff game in San Francisco. Was out of the league two years later.

7. (245) Quincy Monk, LB, North Carolina - F
Never really got on the field even on special teams for the year or two he played.

Shockey is great, but the only other player of any real value we got in this draft was Greisen. He has since moved on and Shockey is the only one left from this draft. C- for the entire draft as a whole.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-26-2008, 11:45 AM
Jughead,

Also to be noted, that was the last draft that Marv Sutherland had for us. That spring he retired or left, and Reese took his spot.

Cashmoney
03-26-2008, 11:46 AM
This draft was all over the place for the titans, but we got Albert Haynesworth. Nuff said.

bsaza2358
03-26-2008, 11:49 AM
Yes, it is always nice to see a player finally play up to his potential when he's in a contract year...

vidae
03-26-2008, 12:45 PM
1. Ryan Sims (6th overall) - DT - UNC: One of the worst picks in our franchise history. Absolutely terrible, and we traded up to get him. F-

2. Eddie Freeman (43rd overall) - DE - UAB: Who? F.

3. Omar Easy (107th overall) - FB - Penn: lol, F.

4. Scott Fujita (143rd overall) - LB - Cal: Probably the best pick from this draft, he was solid for us and I always liked him. Now with the Saints and seems to be playing pretty well. B.

5. Maurice Rodriguez (221st overall) - LB - Fresno State: Who? F.

Overall: F+. Fujita was the only good pick that entire year.

proshoota25
03-26-2008, 12:53 PM
Patriots 2002 Draft

21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado------------------B
65 Deion Branch WR Louisville------------------ B+
117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State------------D
126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State------------- B
237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia------------ F
244 David Givens WR Notre Dame---------------- C


Branch was a superbowl MVP for us before he got traded. Givens was really big towards our superbowl runs and got a pretty big contract from the titans before he got cut. jarvis green is an excellent DE who would start for most teams in this league but is a backup on a great defensive line. daniel graham was okay for us before he left and got a decent contract from the broncos. davey was a backup for a few years before getting cut and never being heard from again..... and womack was awful.

Overall: B-

hugegmenfan
03-26-2008, 01:00 PM
Jughead- its Tim Carter not Tim Lewis :)...but no worries, it makes sense you got them confused though because both were on our team at one pt haha

Jughead10
03-26-2008, 01:21 PM
Jughead- its Tim Carter not Tim Lewis :)...but no worries, it makes sense you got them confused though because both were on our team at one pt haha

This is true. I'm not sure who I have stronger hatred for.

RaiderNation
03-26-2008, 01:24 PM
1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla. D+
1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern C
2a. Langston Walker, OL, California C
2b. Doug Jolley, TE, BYU D+
5. Kenyon Coleman, DE, UCLA F
6a. Keyon Nash, DB, Albany State (Ga.) F
6b. Larry Ned, RB, San Diego State F
7. Ronald Curry, QB, North Carolina B

Geo
03-26-2008, 01:37 PM
Patriots 2002 Draft

21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado------------------B
65 Deion Branch WR Louisville------------------ B+
117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State------------D
126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State------------- B
237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia------------ F
244 David Givens WR Notre Dame---------------- C

Branch was a superbowl MVP for us before he got traded. Givens was really big towards our superbowl runs and got a pretty big contract from the titans before he got cut. jarvis green is an excellent DE who would start for most teams in this league but is a backup on a great defensive line. daniel graham was okay for us before he left and got a decent contract from the broncos. davey was a backup for a few years before getting cut and never being heard from again..... and womack was awful.

Overall: B-
Branch and Givens never tore it up in the regular season, but they were exeptional weapons in the postseason. Givens doesn't get near enough credit, he could fight off man coverage and was valuable when it came to the redzone. Branch could line up in the slot and outside, always finding an open zone like Welker.

Graham is one of the best blocking tight ends in the league today, even if he never really flourished as a receiver. Jarvis Green is, as stated, an exceptional player to have in the DL core. I'd probably give all those players an A grade.

gdamac
03-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Phillip Buchanon D
(Passed on Lito Shepared, Ed Reed, Javon Walker)
Napoleon Harris C
Langston Walker D
Doug Jolley C-
Kenyon Coleman F
(passed on Aaron Kapman)
Keyon Nash F
Larry Ned F
Ronald Curry A

WMD
03-26-2008, 01:59 PM
please go back to myspace. only two of those players are even with our team anymore. they sucked that hard. not even PS i believe. so noo....you are incorrect.

Bo Lacy is a BEAST!!!

PackerLegend
03-26-2008, 02:07 PM
1 20 Javon Walker WR Florida State- A, he was well on his way to becoming one of the best WR's in the NFL but blowning out his knee and his big mouth have caused all sorts of trouble.

3 92 Marques Anderson S UCLA- D, had 5 Ints and 100 tackles in his 2 years with Green Bay, went to Oakland for a year then the 49ers... now I have no idea where he is.

4 135 Najeh Davenport RB Miami- C, better known for pooping in closets then his play when he was in Green Bay but he has been a solid backup. He is currently with the Steelers.

5 156 Aaron Kampman DL Iowa- A+++++++++, A hardworker and one of the best DE's in football and he was taken in the 5th round.

5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern (La.) State- D, nothing more then a back-up an he has done an alright job at that.

6 200 Mike Houghton OL San Diego State- F -, who??

Overall- C, It is amazing Mike Sherman didnt mess this screw this draft up like he has done to almost every single other one.. He got us Walker, Davenport, and Kampman.... But Kampman is the only one who really made this a good draft.

GB12
03-26-2008, 02:09 PM
1 - Javon Walker, WR, Florida State
Started out slow his first year, but then exploded his next two. Made the probowl his third year putting up nearly 1400 yards and 12 TDs. Bitched about his contract the next offseason and we held strong keeping what we had. He ended up playing, but blew out his knee the first game of the season. We traded him to Denver for a 2nd round pick where he played two years before going to Oakland this year. Had he never been injured I firmly believe he would be one of the best WRs in the league. Unfortunately that along with his attitude problems kept him from reaching his full potential.
B+

3 - Marques Anderson, S, UCLA
A versatile player that could play all four secondary positions. The thing is he wasn't good at any of them. He still started at safety for 2 years because we had no one else. Was traded for a 5th and 6th.
D

4 - Najeh Davenport, RB, Miami
A big knock on him was injuries and that held true in the NFL. He had season ending injuries 3 of the 4 years in Green Bay. He was a good #2 (heh) backing up Ahman Green in his healthier seasons in 2003 and 2004. He would have had his shot as a full time back when we lost Green for the season in 2005, but then the same happend to Davenport I believe the next game.
C-

5 - Aaron Kampman, DE, Iowa
Started 6 games as a rookie 5th round pick, then 12 in his second year. He was great against the run and was improving his sack numbers every year hitting a NFC high 15.5 in 2006. He made the probowl that year and repeated this year. He should be a regular there for many years to come. One of the top DEs in the game
A+

5 - Craig Nall, QB, Northwestern State
He has a career passer rating of 123.8. Now that came in limited time in only 6 games, but he has 5 TDs and no INTs. He has a strong arm, but the accuracy he has trouble with at times. He'll never be a starter, but I do like him. He left Green Bay for a chance to compete with JP Losman in Buffalo, but he didn't win the job. One year later he found himself back in Green Bay hunting with Brett Favre. He's a free agent right now and I would like to see us resign him, but it's not something that needs to be done.
D+

6 - Mike Houghton, OL, San Diego St.
To be honest I don't know who this is.
F

asmitty45
03-26-2008, 02:10 PM
I don't think i have ever seen a worse draft class then this one.

Lions

1. Joey Harrington QB (Oregon) - Would have been good but we forgot to give him an OLine, a RB or any WR's so naturally he was blamed for everything and is now on his third team in four years.
Grade: D

2. Kalimba Edwards DE (SCarolina)- Had one good season, but was expected to be a brilliant pass rusher of the edge. Just got released.
Grade: C-

3. Andre Goodman CB (SCarolina) - Was a bum from day 1, started and now proves how awful we have been.
Grade: F

4. John Taylor OLB (Montana State) - First of all, i didn't know Montana State was a school, and second of all i do not even remember this guy.
Grade: F

5. John Owens TE (Notre Dame) - Who? Exactly
Grade: F

6. Chris Cash CB (USC) - Was actually a decent corner when he was healthy, would have been a nice dime corner but instead was a starter and in turn was awful.
Grade: D

7a. Luke Staley RB (BYU) - Ahh yes the elusive white running back, there's a reason he was drafted in the 7th round and went to BYU.
Grade: F

7b. Matt Murphy TE (Maryland) - Good strategy, take two TE's, forget the OLine and every other position that is actually far more important, i like the wild card blocking tight end pick. Dammit.
Grade: F

7c. Victor Rogers OT (Colorado) - Finally an Olineman, too bad he wasn't even good enough to start on the Lions.
Grade: F

Overall Grade: D-, kalimba Edwards could still have a decent career but Harrington is a career backup on his best days, and the rest of these players are out of the league. I love Matt Millen

JagHombre22
03-26-2008, 02:29 PM
Jaguars...

9th Overall- John Henderson, DT, Tennessee...What a great pick...Tom Coughlin's last first round draft pick with the Jags...he's been to multiple probowls and he's been a top 5 DT for a while now....GRADE: A+

40th Overall- Mike Pearson, OT, Florida...was largely considered to be an elite tackle with is size and power...but he never really lived up and was injured most of his career in Jax...now playing in the CFL....GRADE: F

89th Overall- Akin Ayodele, LB, Purdue...Akin was used as a pass rush specialist in his first few years in Jax but really made it as a LB....was allowed to go in FA and played with the Cowboys....GRADE: C

108th Overall- David Garrard, QB, East Carolina...when he was picked he was supposed to be Mark Brunell's replacement but Jack Del Rio f'd that up and drafted Byron Leftwich...but it's all worked out in the long run with Garrard now being the Jags franchise QB....GRADE: A

118th Overall- Chris Luzar, TE, Virginia...never really made an impact...was cut the following season....GRADE: D

180th Overall- Clinton Ballard, DT, SW Texas State...not in the NFL...GRADE: F

222nd Overall- Kendall Newson, WR, Mid Tenn. State...never made the team....GRADE: F

246th Overall- Steve Smith, CB, Oregon...made the team as a ST'er but never made an impact...GRADE: D

247th Ovearll- Hayden Epstein, K, Michigan...was absolutely horrible...I don't think he's in the NFL...GRADE: F

DMWSackMachine
03-26-2008, 02:37 PM
Dallas:

1st round:

None--pick traded to Buffalo, with which they selected JP Losman. Yielded a mid-2nd and a future 1st (later used on Marcus Spears)

2nd round:

Jacob Rogers, OT: F-
Hands down, the worst pick of the Parcells regime. Never played a down for us, at least not that I recall. Was a serious p*ssy, injury prone and soft. Doesn't get much worse.

Julius Jones, RB: B
A solid pick who gave us 4 years of strong production, before signing with Seattle. Could have been a star, but never seemed to regain the confidence and swagger of his rookie year. Might be a late bloomer somewhere else.

3rd round:

Stephen Peterman, G: F

The second worst pick of the Parcells era. These two guys are the reason behind the inept OL performances turned in by our team during the Bledsoe era. Two premium picks wasted on two complete no-shows. He is still in the league, I believe with the Lions, but he never got on the field for us....though he DID last longer than Rogers.

Fourth Round:

Bruce Thornton, CB: D

Hard to remember exactly what his problem was. Going into 04, we were coming off a year in which we led the NFL in total defense. Well, our two starting CBs were Newman (2nd season, major sophomore slump) and Pete Hunter, who had taken over for the FA defection of Mario Edwards. Well, Hunter goes out for the season in the 1st game of the year. Leading to what eventually became a revolving door at CB opposite Newman. Thornton was so bad that he didn't even dress for many of these games. More on this in a second.

Fifth Round:

Sean Ryan, TE: D-

Not much of a pick. I thought he went to the Jets, but I could be wrong. He was a good talent, but injuries and other things always seemed to get in the way.

Sixth Round:

No pick

Seventh Round:

Nathan Jones, DB: B

Here's where the value of the draft class starts to show. Like I said before, the 04 Cowboys were seriously depleted at the right CB spot, and tried everyone in the zip code at the position. Jones did decent, but got the least run. He has been a very good special teams player and a good fill in guy that will do the dirty work and not kill your team when you have to play him on defense. Fit the bill very well.

Patrick Crayton, WR: A

This is the type of player you're looking for in round 7. A guy with physical ability that never really put it together big time in college, but that can develop into a solid player that can contribute to your team. Crayton has done that and more. Has one of the best sets of hands in the league, which is ironic because his most notable play this year was a drop in the NFC Divisional round. Still, just a solid player who does everything pretty well, but nothing (except catching it) that great. Just signed a fat extension with the team.

Jacques Reeves, CB: B+

The third member, along with Lance Frazier, of the revolving CB door his rookie season. Jacques has always had good ability, but took awhile to develop. Many on the Cowboys board detest him, and point to him as our biggest weak spot on the team this year. I disagree. He's a borderline starter/good nickel guy who has speed to burn, but struggles in transition and doesn't play very physical. Still, he will rarely ever kill you with one play, and can run with anyone in the league. Also very good on special teams. Just got 20mil from Houston, so he must have done something to catch someones eye. As a late 7th rounder? I'll take that every time.



Overall: C+

No big time players, but this group contributed a lot to the blood and guts of the team. Crayton in the 7th was a very nice find. Julius gave us a lot in the running game, especially his first 3 years. Focusing too much on the two OL busts could lead someone to flunk the draft entirely, but I see the value at the bottom end and it salvages it some with me. Not only that, but when you fleece a team like we did by getting a future 1st and a mid second for your late first rounder, that has got to count for something.....even if you subsequently use that 1st on Fats Domino.

terribletowel39
03-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Bo Lacy is a BEAST!!!
From Wiki: Lacy has been in training camp and practice squads with the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers), Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns) and Atlanta Falcons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons), but has yet to appear in an NFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL) regular season game.

Yea I know you were joking I just wanted to pound it home for tom.
He is a BEAST though.

PACKmanN
03-26-2008, 03:05 PM
http://tarapfeifer.com/albums/stuff/mike_sherman_sleeping.jpeg

This picture should explain our 2004 draft, what a bum.

Cashmoney
03-26-2008, 04:47 PM
Yes, it is always nice to see a player finally play up to his potential when he's in a contract year...

We've been through this before in the AH thread so hows about you pull a Jackie Moon and "Suck One!"

:)

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
I don't think i have ever seen a worse draft class then this one.

Lions

1. Joey Harrington QB (Oregon) - Would have been good but we forgot to give him an OLine, a RB or any WR's so naturally he was blamed for everything and is now on his third team in four years.
Grade: D

2. Kalimba Edwards DE (SCarolina)- Had one good season, but was expected to be a brilliant pass rusher of the edge. Just got released.
Grade: C-

3. Andre Goodman CB (SCarolina) - Was a bum from day 1, started and now proves how awful we have been.
Grade: F

4. John Taylor OLB (Montana State) - First of all, i didn't know Montana State was a school, and second of all i do not even remember this guy.
Grade: F

5. John Owens TE (Notre Dame) - Who? Exactly
Grade: F

6. Chris Cash CB (USC) - Was actually a decent corner when he was healthy, would have been a nice dime corner but instead was a starter and in turn was awful.
Grade: D

7a. Luke Staley RB (BYU) - Ahh yes the elusive white running back, there's a reason he was drafted in the 7th round and went to BYU.
Grade: F

7b. Matt Murphy TE (Maryland) - Good strategy, take two TE's, forget the OLine and every other position that is actually far more important, i like the wild card blocking tight end pick. Dammit.
Grade: F

7c. Victor Rogers OT (Colorado) - Finally an Olineman, too bad he wasn't even good enough to start on the Lions.
Grade: F

Overall Grade: D-, kalimba Edwards could still have a decent career but Harrington is a career backup on his best days, and the rest of these players are out of the league. I love Matt Millen

Don't look at the 2005 draft grade I gave. Its even worse than this one. The reason Millen didn't take O-line was probably because 2000 Stockar McDougle was a first round pick, 2001 Backus was a first round pick and 2001 Raiola was a 2nd round pick. I guess we could have used a guard. Was Aaron Gibson disaster still going on that this point. Gibson was a 99 1st round pick.

Millen loves those 3rd round corners. Goodman, Keith Smith and Stanley Wilson. All disappointing.

jth1331
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Broncos draft was beyond pathetic:

1. George Foster, OT - freakin horrible, seemed like he would do okay as a starting RT, but then has been downright awful for the past 2 years. Reason why Cutler got hurt in each of the past 2 seasons by performing the good OLE' block technique.
Grade: F

2. Terry Pierce, MLB - Was supposed to be the eventual replacement for Al Wilson, but never did anything. Think the Broncos wanted to move him an OLB spot, but he hated it. Horrible pick, and out of the league fast.
Grade: F

4a. Quentin Griffin, RB - Really, he should never have been a starting RB. Should've been used as a change of pace back primarily. Showed some flashes, but really, turned out was too small and not quick enough to handle being a RB in the NFL.
Grade: D

4b. Nick Eason, DT - Did absolutely nothing for the Broncos, cut, signed by Cleveland, and is a backup at best, and surprising still in the league.
Grade: F

4c. Bryant McNeal, DE - How about that pro-football-reference.com doesn't even have a page for him? Never did anything except sit on the practice squad.
Grade: F

5a. Ben Claxton, C - Did squat with the Broncos, went to Atlanta, played in 2 games with them, but nothing else.
Grade: F

5b. Adrian Madise, WR - Coaching staff was very high on him, but he was craptacular. Basically out of the league after a short lived 1st year.
Grade: F

6. Aaron Hunt, DE - lol
Grade: F

7a. Clint Mitchell, DE - lol
Grade: F

7b. Ahmad Galloway, RB - supposed to be a "sleeper", but never showed anything in games.
Grade: F

Overall: F

Not one single player still on the team, and most were off the team after a year or two.

jth1331
03-26-2008, 05:15 PM
Broncos:
1st. Ashley Lelie, WR - Showed a lot of flashes and potential to be a great #1 WR, but turned out sour after he threatened to hold out and be traded. Really, a perfect #2 WR, but he doesn't want that notion. However, he can't go over the middle, and is just really a deep threat.
Grade: B-

2nd. Clinton Portis, RB - An amazing selection, a Pro Bowl RB who has developed the toughness he was questioned for in Denver.
Grade: A

3rd. Dorsett Davis, DT - Was supposed to provide good depth and be a starter, but was really a bust.
Grade: F

4th. Sam Brandon, S - A really good player who's career appears over due to injuries. Really liked him and saw a good future for him, just too bad about the injuries.
Grade: B

5a. Herb Haygood, WR - Nothing.
Grade: F

5b. Jeb Putzier, TE - Had some good potential, really liked him as a receiving threat, but can't block and when you are a TE, if you can't do that well, you won't see a lot of playing time.
Grade: D+

7a. Chris Young, S - Nothing.
Grade: F

7b. Monsanto Pope, DT - Showed some promise his first few years, but then did nothing.
Grade: D

Overall: B-, primarily due to Portis though.
Number of draftees still with Broncos: 0, although 1 did get us the best CB in the game.

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 05:18 PM
Giants draft looks ugly except Shockey, Greisen i think is with baltimore now

ninerfan
03-26-2008, 05:50 PM
9ers

Rd.1 Mike Rumph CB
Oh baby what could have been. 5 years 3 INT (all in 2003) before finishing his illustrious with the Redskins. Completely forgetable
Grade: F

Rd.2 To Buffalo (dunno why)

Rd.3 Saleem Rasheed LB
To light to be a LB his 5 year career sporned 4 starts and 38 tackles - enough said
Grade: F

Rd.4a Jeff Chandler K
Never worked and roamed the league looking for work - unsuccessfully
Grade: F

Rd.4a Kevin Curtis S
Never played an NFL game
Grade: F

Rd.5a Brandon Doman QB
See Kevin Curtis
Grade: F

Rd.5b Josh Shaw DT
3 games, 3 tackles, now with Raiders
Grade: F

Rd.6 Mark Anelli TE
Waived twice, see Brandon Doman
Grade: F

Rd.7a Eric Heitman G
Hooray he's played a game and is on the list !! Current centre has given excellent service
Grade: A

Rd.7b Kyle Kosier T
Spent 3 productive years on team before leaving for greener pastures
Grade: C

Rd.7c Teddy Gaines CB
Who ? No record of the guy
Grade: F

Overall grade: F
What a wasted year !! 1 player still on the list is just reflective of were this team is currently at. Boy oh boy Dennis Erickson was a genius !!!

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:35 PM
9ers

Rd.1 Mike Rumph CB
Oh baby what could have been. 5 years 3 INT (all in 2003) before finishing his illustrious with the Redskins. Completely forgetable
Grade: F

Rd.2 To Buffalo (dunno why)

Rd.3 Saleem Rasheed LB
To light to be a LB his 5 year career sporned 4 starts and 38 tackles - enough said
Grade: F

Rd.4a Jeff Chandler K
Never worked and roamed the league looking for work - unsuccessfully
Grade: F

Rd.4a Kevin Curtis S
Never played an NFL game
Grade: F

Rd.5a Brandon Doman QB
See Kevin Curtis
Grade: F

Rd.5b Josh Shaw DT
3 games, 3 tackles, now with Raiders
Grade: F

Rd.6 Mark Anelli TE
Waived twice, see Brandon Doman
Grade: F

Rd.7a Eric Heitman G
Hooray he's played a game and is on the list !! Current centre has given excellent service
Grade: A

Rd.7b Kyle Kosier T
Spent 3 productive years on team before leaving for greener pastures
Grade: C

Rd.7c Teddy Gaines CB
Who ? No record of the guy
Grade: F

Overall grade: F
What a wasted year !! 1 player still on the list is just reflective of were this team is currently at. Boy oh boy Dennis Erickson was a genius !!!

ouch that looks pretty bad

scottyboy
03-26-2008, 06:39 PM
jug, at least Tim Carter got us Rueben Droughns! and he recovered a fumble for a TD in our comeback against the Eagles!

other than that, he's a worth POS

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:42 PM
jug, at least Tim Carter got us Rueben Droughns! and he recovered a fumble for a TD in our comeback against the Eagles!

other than that, he's a worth POS

Droughns got alot of our rushing TDs, we used him more like a goaline back

ninerfan
03-26-2008, 06:59 PM
Might as well continue the tradition and look at 2006 as well.

9ers

Rd.1a Vernon Davis TE
Best blocking TE in the game, explosive after the catch. Requires work on route running and cutting down on penalties but should feature heavily in the new Martz system
Grade: B

Rd.1b Manny Lawson LB
Converted from DE, a physical freak with unique blend of size and speed. Cut down early last year with season ending knee injury, may need a year to get back to full speed
Grade: incomplete

Rd.3 Brandon Williams WR
Took a fly on a light weight WR / KR who just didnt pan out. Cut after 1 year
Grade: F

Rd.4 Michael Robinson RB
Converted college QB is a ST guru and a nice short yardage option. Should see more work under Martz
Grade: C+

Rd.5 Parys Haralson LB
Missed half of rookie year with injury but bounced back to play all 16 games last year (replacing Lawson). Not a star but a usefull player on Defense and ST
Grade: B

Rd.6a Delanie Walker TE
Nice back up TE with good hands, plays with a nice mean streak, likely to get more exposure after Martz
Grade: B

Rd.6b Marcus Hudson S
Nice backup DB with good speed, size and mean streak. Recently had eye surgery. An intrigueing player
Grade: C

Rd.6c Melvin Oliver DE
Highly productive rookie year, suffered season ending injury and looking to bounce back in 2008. Plays without fanfare
Grade: incomplete

Rd.7 Vickiel Vaughn CB
Didnt make list and now with Denver
Grade: F

Overall grade: C+ (at present)
2008 will be an important year for this crop of players. Big things are expected of Davis and Lawson - both of who have points to prove. Great mid round selections have found quality backups and ST players. The miss on Williams has hurt

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 07:07 PM
Giants

1 32(32) Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College
Good pick, good value, he was a BPA and turned out great but moved to LB and will most likely stay there. B/B+
2 12(44) Sinorice Moss WR Miami (FL)
Really didnt play much at all in his two seasons, has had untimely injuries and never stepped up. C/C-
3 32(96) Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech
Very good special teamer and backup, all signs point to him starting next year. B
4 27(124) Barry Cofield Jr. DT Northwestern
great as a rookie, didnt do as well as a 1 year, can still get better and should gain weight. B
4 32(129) Guy Whimper T East Carolina
Was put in occasionally at LT and RT, looks like he can handle RT in the near future. Very athletic. B-/B
5 25(158) Charlie Peprah S Alabama
is now on the packers and never played a game with us F
7 24(232) Gerrick McPhearson CB Maryland
Every giants fan thought he had a future with us before the season, dont know where he is and i dont think he played a regular season game for us F

Chief49er
03-26-2008, 07:11 PM
2. (58) Michael Lewis, S, Colorado B. Made a Pro Bowl after a season where he crushed anything in his path. Was a great sidekick for Dawkins and was part of an elite DB group. Unfortunately, his game went south after a while and he couldn't cover anyone, but still managed a big paycheck from the 49ers.



He played AWSOME last year, I am very glad with picking him up from you guys, thanks!

P-L
03-26-2008, 07:11 PM
Two words: Mike Williams

P-L
03-26-2008, 07:35 PM
1 (9). Ernie Sims - LB: Sims is a real stud and I'd probably argue that he's one of the top fifteen, if not top ten, Linebackers in the league. He's a perfect fit for the Tampa-2 and is not only a tackling machine, but also a playmaker. He has been known to overpursue at times, but is generally a standout on a poor defense. Sims is probably the best draft pick of the Millen era, and it just so happens that Rod Marinelli had a lot more to do with this selection than Matt Millen did. Grade: A-

2 (40). Daniel Bullocks - SS: Bullocks played pretty well as a rookie and showed that he definitely had some potential. Unfortunately, he missed the entire 2007 season after tearing his ACL. He'll compete for the starting SS spot this year and many people expect him to win the job. Grade: INC

3 (74). Brian Calhoun - RB: Calhoun has only played in 7 games the last two years and both his 2006 and 2007 seasons have ended due to injury. Despite only playing a limited amount of time Calhoun never showed any reason why he deserved more playing time. If he doesn't perform well this season or gets injured again, it will likely be his last with the Lions. Grade: D-

5 (141). Jonathan Scott - OT: Scott was once considered a top 10 pick before his senior season but fell all the way to the 5th Round by the time the draft came around. Scott played a limited amount of time as a rookie and his play was up and down. Sometimes he flashed great potential and other times he looked very bad. He was injured for much of last season and really wasn't a factor after coming back from injury. Some Lions fans still hope he can be our RT of the future. Grade: C

6 (179). Dee McCann - CB: Never played for the Lions, although the organization was really high on him. He was cut before the season and last I had heard he was on the Minnesota Vikings practice squad. Grade: F

7 (217). Fred Matua - OG: Another player who never played for the Lions. He could not make the roster despite very little depth at Guard. He spent some time on Tennessee and Cleveland's practice squads, but I believe he is out of the NFL. Grade: F

7 (247). Anthony Cannon - LB: Cannon was actually a pretty decent pick by Millen. He is still with the team and he's one of our better players on Special Teams. Doesn't really provide much value as a backup LB, but should stick around because of his Special Teams play. Grade: C+

T-RICH49
03-26-2008, 08:42 PM
1. Ryan Sims (6th overall) - DT - UNC: One of the worst picks in our franchise history. Absolutely terrible, and we traded up to get him. F-

2. Eddie Freeman (43rd overall) - DE - UAB: Who? F.

3. Omar Easy (107th overall) - FB - Penn: lol, F.

4. Scott Fujita (143rd overall) - LB - Cal: Probably the best pick from this draft, he was solid for us and I always liked him. Now with the Saints and seems to be playing pretty well. B.

5. Maurice Rodriguez (221st overall) - LB - Fresno State: Who? F.

Overall: F+. Fujita was the only good pick that entire year.


I give this draft a Z- if possible.When you consider who was taken after Sims it's depressing

kalbears13
03-26-2008, 08:47 PM
I merged all of these dumb draft grades threads before one of you thinks we need an individual one for every bloody year back to 1984. for chrissake, someone have an original idea someday.

um...so does that mean I can make ones for pre-1984? lol

actually...other than 2006-2007 it was the last time the Browns probably had a good draft.

Geo
03-26-2008, 10:23 PM
I merged all of these dumb draft grades threads before one of you thinks we need an individual one for every bloody year back to 1984. for chrissake, someone have an original idea someday.
Much thanks.

Although I'm going to unveil my 2008 Draft Grades thread next week, get ready.

kalbears13
03-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Much thanks.

Although I'm going to unveil my 2008 Draft Grades thread next week, get ready.

If the Browns trade Derek Anderson- A

If they don't- F

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
03-26-2008, 10:59 PM
For 2006, I'm afraid I must give Denver an A. We landed a franchise signal caller, a very solid TE, one of the best young wideouts in the game, and an excellent pass rush specialist in Round 5.

Turtlepower
03-26-2008, 11:04 PM
Much thanks.

Although I'm going to unveil my 2008 Draft Grades thread next week, get ready.

We can all give some predictions. Such as the Lions and the Jets will get an F. The Colts and the Pats will get an A. And the Giants will get a B/C, but after the season everyone will realize that they had an A+ draft. =D

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 11:07 PM
Prediction: The Falcons get a F and still screw up despite having four picks in the top fifty selections. I then go ape sh*t after discovering we just drafted a garbage player with the pick we got for DeAngelo Hall (the twenty four year old two time pro bowl top five cornerback who got traded to the Raiders because we are timid and cheap).

Well, I hope not but we are the Falcons.

ninerfan
03-26-2008, 11:10 PM
We can all give some predictions. Such as the Lions and the Jets will get an F. The Colts and the Pats will get an A. And the Giants will get a B/C, but after the season everyone will realize that they had an A+ draft. =D

Which team is going to have the massive reach for a player and leave us all scratching heads - my guess the Bills, the Raiders will do something to make us say they've completely lost it, Millan will be lynched if he takes another WR in the 1st - he couldnt could he ? 32 teams will all claim that they cant believe player X fell to them - he was the player they wanted all along !

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 11:12 PM
Which team is going to have the massive reach for a player and leave us all scratching heads - my guess the Bills, the Raiders will do something to make us say they've completely lost it, Millan will be lynched if he takes another WR in the 1st - he couldnt could he ? 32 teams will all claim that they cant believe player X fell to them - he was the player they wanted all along !

The Falcons. Dennis Dixon in the top of round two, or something like that.

tjpackers
03-28-2008, 11:45 AM
Y Would they trade him when he had that good of a season

Turtlepower
03-28-2008, 12:59 PM
Which team is going to have the massive reach for a player and leave us all scratching heads - my guess the Bills, the Raiders will do something to make us say they've completely lost it, Millan will be lynched if he takes another WR in the 1st - he couldnt could he ? 32 teams will all claim that they cant believe player X fell to them - he was the player they wanted all along !

The Titans will take a player who had nice combine numbers. I see them drafting Josh Barrett or Jordy Nelson in the 2nd.

jth1331
03-28-2008, 01:22 PM
I merged all of these dumb draft grades threads before one of you thinks we need an individual one for every bloody year back to 1984. for chrissake, someone have an original idea someday.

Don't want to stir anything up here about a decision of a mod, but why? Now we have a huge cluster fck in here, and completely impossible to keep track of things.

Were 4-5 threads devoted to Draft grades really that unsettling for you, and causing the forum to suffer?

yodabear
03-28-2008, 11:58 PM
Rams since 2002: F-, we suck balls, and will continue to do so for years!!!!!!!!!! WE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Perfect Score
03-29-2008, 01:40 AM
MeRge@! HEHHE this tshea g is tuspid, ravens p;ooon all wjem tio comes tow dratg heheheheh

Addict
03-29-2008, 12:58 PM
MeRge@! HEHHE this tshea g is tuspid, ravens p;ooon all wjem tio comes tow dratg heheheheh

Translation: <inaudible> hehehe, this thread is stupid, the ravens own all when it comes to the draft hehehehehehe

courtesy of the "drunk out of skull gibberish to english"-translator.

Go_Eagles77
03-29-2008, 02:31 PM
2006

Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida St. - (B+) - Very solid starting DT who will keep getting better.

Winston Justice, OT, USC - (C) - Had 1 terrible game but other than that he's looked solid, probably our future starter at RT.

Chris Gocong, DE/OLB, Cal Poly - (B) - Our starter at SLB, great all-around player.

Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia - (C+) - Excellent backup and if Andrews/Herremmans decide to change positions he will most likely be a starter.

Jason Avant, WR, Michigan - (C) - Was a decent slot receiver but will never be anything more than that, if we draft a receiver in the first 2 rounds this year Avant will have to take an even smaller role.

Jeremy Bloom, WR, Colorado - (D-) - Was non-existant as a receiver and didn't do anything special as returner so was cut.

Omar Gaither, LB, Tennessee - (A-) - Great value here, our starter at MLB last season but with the emergence of Stewart Bradley he will have to move to WLB next year.

LeJuan Ramsey, DT, USC - (C+) - Was decent as a backup but might not last too much longer on the team.

Overall - B+

BamaFalcon59
03-29-2008, 02:51 PM
On ESPN stats for players, what do STF and STFY mean? I know they are a type of tackle, and I am guessing one is for lost yards (TFL) and one is for stop at the line of scrimmage. But I am not sure.

Look-

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9657

art vandelay
04-02-2008, 10:09 AM
2006 NFL Draft Review, courtesy of thebrushback.com

http://www.thebrushback.com/draft.htm

20


DE

Tamba Hali

Penn St

SR

The Chiefs love Tamba Hali’s arms, which are perfect for arm tackling, the Chiefs main defensive strategy. They have secondary strategies, too, such as lying on the ground and getting stepped on.


26


DT

John McCargo

NC State

JR

The bad news: all the draft experts disapproved of this pick. The good news: none of those people know what the **** they’re talking about.

2 of my favorites.

art vandelay
04-02-2008, 10:13 AM
2007 Mock Draft, courtesy of thebrushback.com

http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/mockdraft07.htm


Funny thing is that this was a complete joke and they got 3 picks right, lol.