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djp
03-25-2008, 05:43 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=3309135&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

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Some interesting rankings, AJ at #4 is awesome. He is such a beast.

Thoughts?

djp
03-25-2008, 05:44 PM
And by top 40 receivers, I mean top 64. I must be hammered drunk.

Damix
03-25-2008, 05:47 PM
Nice to see Plaxico get his due.

ninerfan
03-25-2008, 05:47 PM
And by top 40 receivers, I mean top 64. I must be hammered drunk.

Dont feel too bad you were only about 60% off lol

princefielder28
03-25-2008, 05:53 PM
Jennings, Driver, and Jones all in there....nice to see

KCJ58
03-25-2008, 05:54 PM
Drew Bennett just made the list, what a joke

terribletowel39
03-25-2008, 05:55 PM
Holmes is creeping on Ward.

Go_Eagles77
03-25-2008, 05:55 PM
Eagles receivers are embarrassing....

ninerfan
03-25-2008, 05:57 PM
Eagles receivers are embarrassing....

Hello what about the 9ers ?

BeerBaron
03-25-2008, 06:00 PM
haha, 62 until you hit a bears receiver....

i think anquan boldin is underrated. but thats nothing new...

bored of education
03-25-2008, 06:05 PM
BOWE top 5 next year ya heardddddddddd

TimD
03-25-2008, 06:09 PM
Coles and Cotchery in there.

djp
03-25-2008, 06:09 PM
BOWE top 5 next year ya heardddddddddd

No, I didn't hear that.

Bowe may crack the top 15 next year, but not top 5. He'll never be up there.

neko4
03-25-2008, 06:10 PM
No, I didn't hear that.

Bowe may crack the top 15 next year, but not top 5. He'll never be up there.
dwayne bowe did really good considering his QB had no line

terribletowel39
03-25-2008, 06:12 PM
No, I didn't hear that.

Bowe may crack the top 15 next year, but not top 5. He'll never be up there.
you can't say he will never be up there. he has the potential the article itself talks about how old Moss and Owens are, Bowe will be in the league long after they are gone. If Fitzgerald and Boldin and Owens can be considered top WR's Bowe has the chance. He is in there mold.

SaintsFanForLife
03-25-2008, 06:16 PM
Nice to see Marques Colston in the top 15...not bad for a 7th rounder.

GB12
03-25-2008, 06:17 PM
Dont feel too bad you were only about 60% off lol
24/64=3/8
3/8=.375
.375=37.5%
You=Wrong

neko4
03-25-2008, 06:18 PM
has anybody also seen the ESPN draft poll
Somehow the only WR to choose from for the skins is Mario Manningham, lame

Thunder&Lightning
03-25-2008, 06:19 PM
Sux Andre Johnson is on the texans...

bearsfan_51
03-25-2008, 06:22 PM
Hah....people thought I was soo out of left field by saying Berrian was a top 20 receiver and ESPN, the most conservative sports network ever, puts him at 27.

As a whole though, I think the list is pretty bad. Ocho Cinco as low at 8th? Javon Walker and Calvin Johnson in the top 30? I actually like D.J Hackett but the fact that he sat on the market so long should exclude him from the top 40.

I would also put Booker above Moose at this point in their respective careers, and I'm someone that has seen a lot of both of them.

Addict
03-25-2008, 06:23 PM
haha, 62 until you hit a bears receiver....

i think anquan boldin is underrated. but thats nothing new...

Berrian is 27, he was a bear until this offseason, that kinda counts, right?

RagingColt
03-25-2008, 06:24 PM
All three Colts starting WRs made the list. Kinda shocking they put Gonzo on the list after only one year.

fenikz
03-25-2008, 07:03 PM
even if i wasn't a huge homer i would still put Boldin over Edwards, 1 good year shouldn't make you top 10

Addict
03-25-2008, 07:03 PM
All three Colts starting WRs made the list. Kinda shocking they put Gonzo on the list after only one year.

Bowe and CJ are up there as well, pretty high too.

As far as gonzo goes, he's now the #3 and he'll be #2 sooner rather than later considering Marvin's age. With Peyton throwing the ball I don't think it's much of a stretch.

JagHombre22
03-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Eagles receivers are embarrassing....

I would have said the same thing about the Jags receivers but we actually had two guys in the top 40...that's frickin awesome...

Nitschke-Hawk
03-25-2008, 07:31 PM
It's a pretty good list but there seems to be a mixture of the past and future expectations. The couple mistakes mentioned already, plus Holmes, Evans, Bowe are right above Donald Driver. Now I don't think he's dominant be any means but their track records don't even come close to Driver's. I'd be called out if I didn't mention Greg Jennings either, he hasn't been better than Driver. They should have about the same amount of catches this year. But anyway, I'm not denying Favre may have made Driver appear better in the past. But stats are stats.

GB12
03-25-2008, 07:32 PM
If this was infact the top 40 the Bears, Ravens, 49ers, and Titans would not have anyone on the list. The Dolphins do not have one even at a list of 64.

TitleTown088
03-25-2008, 07:50 PM
I think Brandon Marshall is a bit too high. He really needs to be slashed out of the top 20.
Jennings should be above him, maybe Colston too.

I realize this sounds like blatant Packer banter, but what has Rice done to show he should be that far ahead of James Jones?Jones had more catches, 300 more yards receiving, and a higher average yards per catch. Maybe the feel he has a higher ceiling...?

bearsfan_51
03-25-2008, 07:59 PM
I think Brandon Marshall is a bit too high. He really needs to be slashed out of the top 20.
Jennings should be above him, maybe Colston too.

I realize this sounds like blatant Packer banter, but what has Rice done to show he should be that far ahead of James Jones?Jones had more catches, 300 more yards receiving, and a higher average yards per catch. Maybe the feel he has a higher ceiling...?
You can't really compare stats when Jones had Favre and Rice had Tavaris Jackson. Personally I think it's a little silly that we have rookies that aren't even starters on the list in the first place.

TitleTown088
03-25-2008, 08:03 PM
You can't really compare stats when Jones had Favre and Rice had Tavaris Jackson. Personally I think it's a little silly that we have rookies that aren't even starters on the list in the first place.

Yeah, I suppose that's true. I did forget about the man-wonder Jackson. However, You cannot deny Production to a degree.

BeerBaron
03-25-2008, 08:10 PM
Berrian is 27, he was a bear until this offseason, that kinda counts, right?

id say no because this seems to be based a little off of expectations as well, and since hell be a vike from here on out, ill say no

619
03-25-2008, 08:14 PM
Looks like Javon Walker is ranked surprisingly high and I'd rank Ronald Curry ahead of Jerry Porter as well.

bigbluedefense
03-25-2008, 08:16 PM
The top of the list was pretty solid, but after that it started to sour around 20ish onward.

XxXdragonXxX
03-25-2008, 08:18 PM
"61. Nate Burleson
Seattle Seahawks
Burleson has No. 2 WR skills, but because of his lack of speed, you'd rather have him as your third receiver. He fits the system in Seattle thanks to his ability to read coverages and his fluid, nimble route-running skills. He is not very dangerous after the catch and is not a great blocker. "


Lack of speed? Not very good after the catch? Huh?

Yeah...it's his ability to read coverage and his route running that give him his kick and punt returning ability....right...

Young Legend
03-25-2008, 08:27 PM
LMFAO at Jerry Porter being on that list..LOL

BufFan71
03-25-2008, 08:27 PM
is lee evans on there?

619
03-25-2008, 08:29 PM
is lee evans on there?

In pretty good shape at #20.

BufFan71
03-25-2008, 08:31 PM
thanks, i cant really open up a lot of tabs because my brother is on xbox live and it makes the game lag when i get on a lot of sites

The Great Jonathan Vilma
03-25-2008, 08:32 PM
is lee evans on there?

actually he's not. Guess they felt he wasn't top 64 worthy............what kind of question is that lol

Burns336
03-25-2008, 08:40 PM
Nice how T.O.'s 10 drops gets mentioned but Randy's 9 does not.

bigbluedefense
03-25-2008, 08:43 PM
Nice how T.O.'s 10 drops gets mentioned but Randy's 9 does not.

I think its fair to rank Moss ahead of TO though. Theyre definately 1 and 2, but I think Moss is the best hands down.

Ive yet to see any WR impact a defensive strategy (this includes the GOAT Jerry Rice) more than Randy Moss.

Also the 2 most prolific offenses in NFL history both had Randy Moss at WR. Thats not coincidence.

Definitely 1 and 2 in my eyes.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 08:55 PM
BOWE top 5 next year ya heardddddddddd

Not until he gets a QB.

PalmerToCJ
03-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Boldin is an animal. He just goes out and takes a beating but doesn't get the respect he deserves because he wasn't a high draft pick and he doesn't complain/celebrate.

Burns336
03-25-2008, 08:58 PM
I think its fair to rank Moss ahead of TO though. Theyre definately 1 and 2, but I think Moss is the best hands down.

Ive yet to see any WR impact a defensive strategy (this includes the GOAT Jerry Rice) more than Randy Moss.

Also the 2 most prolific offenses in NFL history both had Randy Moss at WR. Thats not coincidence.

Definitely 1 and 2 in my eyes.

I would also put Moss ahead of T.O. -- He can be counted on more than T.O. can to make a clutch catch. He spreads the field deeper.

But to point out the 10 drops on Owens and negate the fact that Randy had 9 is a little reckless on the journalist part.

The reason I say this is because T.O. is basically "known for drops" and Randy is "known for sure hands", but the margin of difference wasn't as big this past season.

jetsfan0099
03-25-2008, 09:01 PM
Is it just me being a Jets fan or should Cotchery and Coles be ranked higher??? I think they are pretty low, some guys above them aren't better. Especially considering the bad QB play on the Jets, and horrible OL.

bigbluedefense
03-25-2008, 09:04 PM
I would also put Moss ahead of T.O. -- He can be counted on more than T.O. can to make a clutch catch. He spreads the field deeper.

But to point out the 10 drops on Owens and negate the fact that Randy had 9 is a little reckless on the journalist part.

The reason I say this is because T.O. is basically "known for drops" and Randy is "known for sure hands", but the margin of difference wasn't as big this past season.

thats a very valid point.

JT Jag
03-25-2008, 09:06 PM
LMFAO at Jerry Porter being on that list..LOLYou watch and see. He'll prove 'em right.

You shouldn't slam a guy who did so well for you guys when he was given the opportunity.

bearsfan_51
03-25-2008, 09:10 PM
The reason I say this is because T.O. is basically "known for drops" and Randy is "known for sure hands", but the margin of difference wasn't as big this past season.
I'd say Moss is known for smoking weed and saying "straight cash homey".

bearsfan_51
03-25-2008, 09:11 PM
Is it just me being a Jets fan or should Cotchery and Coles be ranked higher???
Yeah it's just you.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 09:15 PM
Its nice to see this:
Braylon Edwards
Donte Stallworth
Joe Jurivicius

And not this:
Kevin Johnson
Dennis Northcutt
Quincy Morgan

I love the new Browns era

BamaFalcon59
03-25-2008, 09:19 PM
14. Brandon Marshall
Denver Broncos
Marshall is one of the best young receivers in the NFL. He is a big, physical receiver (6-4, 230) who places a lot of pressure on a secondary. He has the strength to separate off the line of scrimmage and the speed to attack all levels. He has strong, soft hands and is one of the best in the NFL after the catch. How long it takes Marshall to recover from an injury to his right arm remains to be seen.

18. Hines Ward
Pittsburgh Steelers
Ward makes tough catches in traffic and has been a very reliable receiver for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. He led the team in receptions last season despite missing three games. He has sure hands, an excellent feel for setting up defensive backs and runs reliable, crisp routes. His speed isn't exceptional, but he has shown the ability to make big plays deep downfield. He is one of the toughest receivers in the NFL and if there were a Hall of Fame for blocking wide receivers, Ward would be the first one in.

19. Santonio Holmes
Pittsburgh Steelers
Holmes is a talented, young receiver who continues to improve in offensive coordinator Bruce Arians' system. He is loaded with big-play ability (league-best 18.1 yards per catch last season) and could turn into a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver. Holmes' numbers have gone up in each of his two seasons in the league -- he had 49 catches for 824 yards in his rookie year and 52 catches for 942 yards last season despite missing three games with an injury.

21. Dwayne Bowe
Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs had one of the worst offenses in the NFL last season. However, Bowe has all the makings of a premier No. 1 receiver. He caught 70 passes for 995 yards, best among all rookie receivers. He is a prototype receiver with savvy, body control and great hands.

22. Donald Driver
Green Bay Packers
Driver is fearless going across the middle and had a great relationship with QB Brett Favre. However, much like Greg Jennings, Driver must build a new relationship with quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Driver has tremendous change-of-direction skills and leaping ability.

25. Deion Branch
Seattle Seahawks
A talented player, Branch has struggled with durability issues. He suffered an ACL injury in the divisional playoff game against the Packers and could miss the start of the 2008 season. However, when healthy, he has the ability to make explosive plays on all levels in the passing game. He has excellent speed and runs fluid routes. He is especially dangerous after the catch.

26. Roddy White
Atlanta Falcons
White had a breakout season in 2007. He displayed strong run-after-catch ability, breakaway speed and big-play potential. He tracks the deep ball well and has the extra gear to separate from defenders downfield. His speed makes him very dangerous after the catch. He has the ability to become the No. 1 receiver in new offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey's system.



Wow. Talk about underrated.

Brandon Marshall had a great year. But it was a breakout year just like Roddy White. He had 19 more catches, 123 more yards, and one more touchdown. But like Roddy White he had done nothing prior to this year. Unlike Roddy White he did not have Falcons quarterbacks Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman at quarterback. Instead he had Jay Cutler. But somehow he is twelve spots ahead of Roddy White.

Hines Ward has not had as many yards in a season as Roddy White did this year since 2002. This year he was barely over 700 yards receiving, although he had one more touchdown than Roddy White, although he had Ben Roethlisburger and not the prior mentioned trio of Falcons quarterbacks.

Santonio Holmes was another breakout player. Except he had 32 less catches, although in three less games. A good number of touchdowns, but White's season was better as a whole and then you add in the quarterback difference. Breakout player with not as good as a breakout.

Dwayne Bowe. Same thing. Breakout player who did not come close to the season Roddy White had. Bad QB situation helps his case, though.

Donald Driver had one less catch, 155 less receiving yards, and four less touchdowns than Roddy White, and he also had a much, much better quarterback than Roddy White had to deal with. A better case can be made because of his very good 2006 season, though.

Deion Branch is so overrated. He has played 16 games only once in his six year career, has never had even 1,000 receiving yards in a single season (998 is his career high), never more than 80 catches in a season (78 is season high), never more than five touchdowns in a season, and has had played with very good quarterbacks all throughout his career with Tom Brady in New England and Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. Roddy White in his third season, his breakout year, surpassed Branch's career high in the three main catagories for wide receivers: receiving yards, receptions, and receiving touchdowns. And the 'big play receiver' Deion Branch has never had an average of 15 yards per reception in any season of his career while Roddy White has done it in all three of his seasons. Then add in the difference in quarterback play between Tom Brady and Matt Hasselbeck in comparison to Michael Vick, Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, and Byron Leftwich?

Okay, had to let everyone know how underrated Roddy White is.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 09:30 PM
I agree. Roddy White didnt get credit, but I think your giving the writer of this article to much credit. I like how he said White "has the ability" as if last year didnt allready seal him being the #1 starter. There are probably 6-10 other NFL teams he would be the #1 on aswell.

Im still wondering why Deion Branch got that credit? Maybe the writer was a Louisville fan growing up?

Flyboy
03-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Colston over Berrian?!

LOL, stupid ESPN.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 09:39 PM
Colston over Berrian?!

LOL, stupid ESPN.


Here is Berrians career stat line....
2004 - 225 yards 2td
2005 - 246 yards 0td
2006 - 775 yards 6td
2007 - 951 yards 5td
And I dont think he is a #1 WR in the NFL.

Colston
2006 - 1038 yards 8td
2007 - 1202 yards 11td

Ill take Colston everyday of the year. Is Berrian even a good route runner?

A Perfect Score
03-25-2008, 09:45 PM
woo hoo, 3 ravens on this list! all after #40, but hey who cares! there are 3 of them!

downthealley
03-25-2008, 09:47 PM
lol at Branch being explosive...

Flyboy
03-25-2008, 09:51 PM
Here is Berrians career stat line....
2004 - 225 yards 2td
2005 - 246 yards 0td
2006 - 775 yards 6td
2007 - 951 yards 5td
And I dont think he is a #1 WR in the NFL.

Colston
2006 - 1038 yards 8td
2007 - 1202 yards 11td

Ill take Colston everyday of the year. Is Berrian even a good route runner?

It was sarcasm from a previous thread.

bearsfan_51
03-25-2008, 09:54 PM
Be that as it may, Berrian is still ranked far closer to 20th than most of you were giving him credit for.

And this is from ESPN, who wouldn't go out on a limb if there was a trampoline underneath. They always have the most predictable and neutral answers possible.

DawgBone
03-25-2008, 09:58 PM
It was sarcasm from a previous thread.

Gotchaaaa. Well jus play it off like it was some other posters fault shhhh.

Yung Flippa
03-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Yay!!! 3 Ravens are on the list...and yet people still have us a taking a WR in the first 2 Rounds -_-.

GB12
03-25-2008, 10:41 PM
Yay!!! 3 Ravens are on the list...and yet people still have us a taking a WR in the first 2 Rounds -_-.
The highest you have is at 41 and he is 34 years old...

Dam8610
03-25-2008, 11:53 PM
Reggie at 5 and Marvin at 13? Can't complain about that, especially after Marvin's injury.

kmartin575
03-26-2008, 03:03 AM
BOWE top 5 next year ya heardddddddddd

I doubt that happens but he could come close if we get improved play out of Croyle, if LJ comes back healthy, and if the offensive line is improved.

kmartin575
03-26-2008, 03:04 AM
No, I didn't hear that.

Bowe may crack the top 15 next year, but not top 5. He'll never be up there.

He'll never be up there? He certainly has the talent to. The only thing stopping him would be the offense around him.

kmartin575
03-26-2008, 03:07 AM
All three Colts starting WRs made the list. Kinda shocking they put Gonzo on the list after only one year.

Well it is the top 64 wide receivers which really should include at least one wide receiver from just about every team. So being on the list is not all that impressive.

kmartin575
03-26-2008, 03:12 AM
14. Brandon Marshall
Denver Broncos
Marshall is one of the best young receivers in the NFL. He is a big, physical receiver (6-4, 230) who places a lot of pressure on a secondary. He has the strength to separate off the line of scrimmage and the speed to attack all levels. He has strong, soft hands and is one of the best in the NFL after the catch. How long it takes Marshall to recover from an injury to his right arm remains to be seen.

18. Hines Ward
Pittsburgh Steelers
Ward makes tough catches in traffic and has been a very reliable receiver for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. He led the team in receptions last season despite missing three games. He has sure hands, an excellent feel for setting up defensive backs and runs reliable, crisp routes. His speed isn't exceptional, but he has shown the ability to make big plays deep downfield. He is one of the toughest receivers in the NFL and if there were a Hall of Fame for blocking wide receivers, Ward would be the first one in.

19. Santonio Holmes
Pittsburgh Steelers
Holmes is a talented, young receiver who continues to improve in offensive coordinator Bruce Arians' system. He is loaded with big-play ability (league-best 18.1 yards per catch last season) and could turn into a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver. Holmes' numbers have gone up in each of his two seasons in the league -- he had 49 catches for 824 yards in his rookie year and 52 catches for 942 yards last season despite missing three games with an injury.

21. Dwayne Bowe
Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs had one of the worst offenses in the NFL last season. However, Bowe has all the makings of a premier No. 1 receiver. He caught 70 passes for 995 yards, best among all rookie receivers. He is a prototype receiver with savvy, body control and great hands.

22. Donald Driver
Green Bay Packers
Driver is fearless going across the middle and had a great relationship with QB Brett Favre. However, much like Greg Jennings, Driver must build a new relationship with quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Driver has tremendous change-of-direction skills and leaping ability.

25. Deion Branch
Seattle Seahawks
A talented player, Branch has struggled with durability issues. He suffered an ACL injury in the divisional playoff game against the Packers and could miss the start of the 2008 season. However, when healthy, he has the ability to make explosive plays on all levels in the passing game. He has excellent speed and runs fluid routes. He is especially dangerous after the catch.

26. Roddy White
Atlanta Falcons
White had a breakout season in 2007. He displayed strong run-after-catch ability, breakaway speed and big-play potential. He tracks the deep ball well and has the extra gear to separate from defenders downfield. His speed makes him very dangerous after the catch. He has the ability to become the No. 1 receiver in new offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey's system.



Wow. Talk about underrated.

Brandon Marshall had a great year. But it was a breakout year just like Roddy White. He had 19 more catches, 123 more yards, and one more touchdown. But like Roddy White he had done nothing prior to this year. Unlike Roddy White he did not have Falcons quarterbacks Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman at quarterback. Instead he had Jay Cutler. But somehow he is twelve spots ahead of Roddy White.

Hines Ward has not had as many yards in a season as Roddy White did this year since 2002. This year he was barely over 700 yards receiving, although he had one more touchdown than Roddy White, although he had Ben Roethlisburger and not the prior mentioned trio of Falcons quarterbacks.

Santonio Holmes was another breakout player. Except he had 32 less catches, although in three less games. A good number of touchdowns, but White's season was better as a whole and then you add in the quarterback difference. Breakout player with not as good as a breakout.

Dwayne Bowe. Same thing. Breakout player who did not come close to the season Roddy White had. Bad QB situation helps his case, though.

Donald Driver had one less catch, 155 less receiving yards, and four less touchdowns than Roddy White, and he also had a much, much better quarterback than Roddy White had to deal with. A better case can be made because of his very good 2006 season, though.

Deion Branch is so overrated. He has played 16 games only once in his six year career, has never had even 1,000 receiving yards in a single season (998 is his career high), never more than 80 catches in a season (78 is season high), never more than five touchdowns in a season, and has had played with very good quarterbacks all throughout his career with Tom Brady in New England and Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. Roddy White in his third season, his breakout year, surpassed Branch's career high in the three main catagories for wide receivers: receiving yards, receptions, and receiving touchdowns. And the 'big play receiver' Deion Branch has never had an average of 15 yards per reception in any season of his career while Roddy White has done it in all three of his seasons. Then add in the difference in quarterback play between Tom Brady and Matt Hasselbeck in comparison to Michael Vick, Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, and Byron Leftwich?

Okay, had to let everyone know how underrated Roddy White is.

Bowe was also a rookie. And his production didn't even come close to White's? I would say 1 less touchdown, 13 less catches, and 207 less yards is still pretty close.

Caddy
03-26-2008, 04:34 AM
Only one buccaneer on the list and he is 12345233452345 years old.

Brent
03-26-2008, 07:54 AM
42. Isaac Bruce
50. Bryant Johnson

There are backups rated higher than our starting WRs... how sad.

gsorace
03-26-2008, 08:57 AM
Is it just me being a Jets fan or should Cotchery and Coles be ranked higher???

Maybe if Coles was still 26, but the guy is hurt a lot and has lost a step.

Cotchery is a solid #2, nothing more.

the decider13
03-26-2008, 09:23 AM
Yeah Roddy White is good, but I wouldnt put him up there with Marshall. Your reasoning was Marshall having Cutler throwing him the ball. But it's not like there was a lot of other offense there. Injured offensive line, unstable running game, and a still young quarterback. He may be much better then the falcons commitee of QBs, but he is still young and learning the offense. It's not like the Broncos had some amazing offense that Marshall benefitted from. He was our recieving game.

But Brandon Marshall still had an amazing year, and barring anymore TV accidents, should have an amazing 08.

Santonio10
03-26-2008, 11:02 AM
42. Isaac Bruce
50. Bryant Johnson

There are backups rated higher than our starting WRs... how sad.

Well Isaac Bruce is on there becuase he was one of the best receivers in the league at one point and is probably a Hall of Famer. As for Johnson, he never really got his chance to be a starter being behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. He definately has the potential to be a good receiver in this league. I dont know if he can show that in San Fran or not. It all depends on Alex Smith...

jetsfan0099
03-26-2008, 11:25 AM
Maybe if Coles was still 26, but the guy is hurt a lot and has lost a step.

Cotchery is a solid #2, nothing more.

Cotchery has 1,100 yards with bad QBs. They never threw to him in the end zone, thats why he only has 2 TDs. Saying Cotchery is just a solid #2 is BS. He is a stud player. And Coles is still a flat out good player, Hynes Ward isn't that good anymore, and he has a great QB throwing to him. Seriously there are guys up there that don't belong and are overrated. Coles and Cotchery are better then people think, especially Cotchery, if he had Brady throwing to him, he would have 1,400 yards.

BuddyCHRIST
03-26-2008, 11:57 AM
That's a terrible list, AJ is way overrated. He's been productive when healthy but he's always been injured. He's not better than Boldin yet whose also struggled with injuries and bad QB play but put up way better numbers at the same time. Edwards is overrated as well, he was outstanding this year and has shown flashes but its one year, you need to do it consistently to be number 6. Especially over Chad Johnson and Boldin. Colston has been a great reciever for 2 years, Marshall has been for 1 with flashes in another, Colston wins that one. Hines Ward is way underrated, he's an 1000 yard reciever most every year in a run oriented offense and is the best blocker in the league. Deion Branch has never been that good outside of a great super bowl, he's certainly not better than Roddy White or Santana Moss.

They put way too much weight on physical tools (than dont always produce) and quality of team rather than skills.

neko4
03-26-2008, 12:14 PM
Im sorry, i dont get how Hines Ward is ranked so high on this list.
Yeah, hes tough and all, but he isnt the only tough WR. Plus there are guys just as tough who are more productive.

ny10804
03-26-2008, 12:25 PM
Funny how James Jones can be considered the 64th best receiver in the NFL a year after being the 204th (only 3 spots behind fellow wideout Legedu Naanee!) rated prospect among all rookies.

Things like that are why Ted Thompson is the executive of the year.

DawgBone
03-26-2008, 12:35 PM
Funny how James Jones can be considered the 64th best receiver in the NFL a year after being the 204th (only 3 spots behind fellow wideout Legedu Naanee!) rated prospect among all rookies.

Things like that are why Ted Thompson is the executive of the year.

Im pretty sure Brett Favre is why Jones is ranked #64, not Ted Thompson.

art vandelay
03-26-2008, 12:37 PM
thanks, i cant really open up a lot of tabs because my brother is on xbox live and it makes the game lag when i get on a lot of sites

Roscoe is also on there, which I agree with. He would be such a great #3 if we had a legit #2. Here's to the draft...

art vandelay
03-26-2008, 12:39 PM
Its nice to see this:
Braylon Edwards
Donte Stallworth
Joe Jurivicius

And not this:
Kevin Johnson
Dennis Northcutt
Quincy Morgan

I love the new Browns era

Kevin Johnson was the man. Whatever happened to him?

ny10804
03-26-2008, 12:53 PM
Im pretty sure Brett Favre is why Jones is ranked #64, not Ted Thompson.

Brett's part of the reason, but he wasn't the one sprinting past Champ Bailey or the one who put Jones into the situation that he was in.

No GM can affect a player's natural ability. What they can do is diagnosis the potential for that player and create a situation for him to realize it. No draft expert, and most likely few other GMs, had Jones pegged as a player with a chance to make an impact in the NFL, but Thompson did.

DawgBone
03-26-2008, 01:02 PM
"and most likely few other GMs, had Jones pegged as a player with a chance to make an impact in the NFL, but Thompson did."

Did you look at the teams draft boards and conclude this or was it an article you put to much stock into from a beat writer with no clue? Pretty bold statement.

ny10804
03-26-2008, 01:18 PM
"and most likely few other GMs, had Jones pegged as a player with a chance to make an impact in the NFL, but Thompson did."

Did you look at the teams draft boards and conclude this or was it an article you put to much stock into from a beat writer with no clue? Pretty bold statement.

Jason Hill, Laurent Robinson, Yamon Figurs, and Jacoby Jones, all receivers, were taken in the 5 picks before the Packers selection of James Jones. Any team that wanted James Jones could have had him.

I've been looking at your other posts... you need to get a clue.

indyfan1985
03-26-2008, 01:23 PM
All three Colts starting WRs made the list. Kinda shocking they put Gonzo on the list after only one year.

Dude he should be freakin awesome this year now that he has learned the system. He could be our Wes Welker except faster.

DawgBone
03-26-2008, 01:34 PM
Jason Hill, Laurent Robinson, Yamon Figurs, and Jacoby Jones, all receivers, were taken in the 5 picks before the Packers selection of James Jones. Any team that wanted James Jones could have had him.

I've been looking at your other posts... you need to get a clue.

You listed 5 teams, but then said any team that wanted him could have? There are still 26 NFL teams that might have graded him around the 3rd round like Thompson how do you know?

And maybe those 4-5 WR's before Jones would have been just fine had they had a QB and system around them like Brett Favre? Favre was even making Koren Robinson look good despite missing some time from football aswell as a below average TE.

In the history of Brett Favre, almost every WR looked better than they should have been.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2008, 01:39 PM
I think its pretty laughable how espn rated guys higher who are 6'3 225, like for some reason that makes you a better WR...Im not buying ANY list that has Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison both in the top 5 right now, not potential or how good they will be, but those guys are still top 5 wrs and even the best dbs in the game cannot cover them...The little things like route running, keeping your feet in bounds on a catch in the back of the endzone, and consistency should count for something...

And the fact that they put Braylon Edwards ahead of Chad Johnson for one year is beyond belief to me...Chad has been consistently putting up 1300 yds and 8 tds for the past 6 years straight, but your telling me one season for Braylon is enough to put him higher after he was struggling with drops not that long ago?

ESPN falls in love with hype too much because thats just plain ridiculous...And I also saw Michael Jenkins on this list, what has he done since he's been in the nfl to be on ANY list outside of a bust list? He's a 1st rd pick whose best season ever has been 500 yds and 4 tds, can someone explain why in the hell he should be anywhere near a list of nfl's best wrs?

Modano
03-26-2008, 01:59 PM
I would also put Moss ahead of T.O. -- He can be counted on more than T.O. can to make a clutch catch. He spreads the field deeper.

But to point out the 10 drops on Owens and negate the fact that Randy had 9 is a little reckless on the journalist part.

The reason I say this is because T.O. is basically "known for drops" and Randy is "known for sure hands", but the margin of difference wasn't as big this past season.

They also point out the 17 drops in 2006 without saying that he played 3/4 of the season with a bad hand injury. By the way, I agree that Moss is better than Owens.

SuperMcGee
03-26-2008, 02:17 PM
Roscoe is also on there, which I agree with. He would be such a great #3 if we had a legit #2. Here's to the draft...

Roscoe still needs work. He could be a great #3, he has the ability, but you don't see it nearly enough, and I'm not pinning too much of that on the lack of a #2 presence. Josh Reed, who obviously doesn't have the potential of Roscoe, has been the better and more reliable slot option for us.

azbmxican
03-26-2008, 03:07 PM
Q the mos under-rated WR. He will prove himself this year with all the motivation and talk about Fitz being better. He will be an ALL-Pro, just you watch.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2008, 03:16 PM
Q the mos under-rated WR. He will prove himself this year with all the motivation and talk about Fitz being better. He will be an ALL-Pro, just you watch.

You act like someone would be surprised if that happens.

azbmxican
03-26-2008, 03:22 PM
no one should, especially after he runs over the over rated Safety your team has.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2008, 03:33 PM
no one should, especially after he runs over the over rated Safety your team has.

Man, pretty much everyone here(including myself) likes Boldin so throwing around underrated comments about him dont really make much sense, and no one would be surprised to see him be an All-Pro next year, maybe one reason is because he's already been an all-pro before I dont know.

Also Roy Williams isnt overrated either, everybody pretty much knows he sucks at this point and its not breaking news to anyone...aside from the fact that he has nothing to do with a conversation about nfl wr's:rolleyes:

neko4
03-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Man, pretty much everyone here(including myself) likes Boldin so throwing around underrated comments about him dont really make much sense, and no one would be surprised to see him be an All-Pro next year, maybe one reason is because he's already been an all-pro before I dont know.

Also Roy Williams isnt overrated either, everybody pretty much knows he sucks at this point and its not breaking news to anyone...aside from the fact that he has nothing to do with a conversation about nfl wr's:rolleyes:
i just wish idiots would stop voting him into the pro bowl


Notice how he was only an all-pro once

art vandelay
03-26-2008, 04:34 PM
Roscoe still needs work. He could be a great #3, he has the ability, but you don't see it nearly enough, and I'm not pinning too much of that on the lack of a #2 presence. Josh Reed, who obviously doesn't have the potential of Roscoe, has been the better and more reliable slot option for us.

I think we just need to get the ball in his hands more, however we can, on offense. I think Reed actually played as our #2 last year. I know Reed is like bouncy ball after the catch, but I'll take Roscoe's explosiveness and shiftiness in the open field in the slot all day over Reed. Plus, Roscoe is pretty fearless over the middle for how small he is. Reed is an OK #3 slot guy but I think Roscoe is a great one.

BufFan71
03-26-2008, 04:41 PM
14. Brandon Marshall
Denver Broncos
Marshall is one of the best young receivers in the NFL. He is a big, physical receiver (6-4, 230) who places a lot of pressure on a secondary. He has the strength to separate off the line of scrimmage and the speed to attack all levels. He has strong, soft hands and is one of the best in the NFL after the catch. How long it takes Marshall to recover from an injury to his right arm remains to be seen.

18. Hines Ward
Pittsburgh Steelers
Ward makes tough catches in traffic and has been a very reliable receiver for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. He led the team in receptions last season despite missing three games. He has sure hands, an excellent feel for setting up defensive backs and runs reliable, crisp routes. His speed isn't exceptional, but he has shown the ability to make big plays deep downfield. He is one of the toughest receivers in the NFL and if there were a Hall of Fame for blocking wide receivers, Ward would be the first one in.

19. Santonio Holmes
Pittsburgh Steelers
Holmes is a talented, young receiver who continues to improve in offensive coordinator Bruce Arians' system. He is loaded with big-play ability (league-best 18.1 yards per catch last season) and could turn into a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver. Holmes' numbers have gone up in each of his two seasons in the league -- he had 49 catches for 824 yards in his rookie year and 52 catches for 942 yards last season despite missing three games with an injury.

21. Dwayne Bowe
Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs had one of the worst offenses in the NFL last season. However, Bowe has all the makings of a premier No. 1 receiver. He caught 70 passes for 995 yards, best among all rookie receivers. He is a prototype receiver with savvy, body control and great hands.

22. Donald Driver
Green Bay Packers
Driver is fearless going across the middle and had a great relationship with QB Brett Favre. However, much like Greg Jennings, Driver must build a new relationship with quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Driver has tremendous change-of-direction skills and leaping ability.

25. Deion Branch
Seattle Seahawks
A talented player, Branch has struggled with durability issues. He suffered an ACL injury in the divisional playoff game against the Packers and could miss the start of the 2008 season. However, when healthy, he has the ability to make explosive plays on all levels in the passing game. He has excellent speed and runs fluid routes. He is especially dangerous after the catch.

26. Roddy White
Atlanta Falcons
White had a breakout season in 2007. He displayed strong run-after-catch ability, breakaway speed and big-play potential. He tracks the deep ball well and has the extra gear to separate from defenders downfield. His speed makes him very dangerous after the catch. He has the ability to become the No. 1 receiver in new offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey's system.



Wow. Talk about underrated.

Brandon Marshall had a great year. But it was a breakout year just like Roddy White. He had 19 more catches, 123 more yards, and one more touchdown. But like Roddy White he had done nothing prior to this year. Unlike Roddy White he did not have Falcons quarterbacks Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, and Chris Redman at quarterback. Instead he had Jay Cutler. But somehow he is twelve spots ahead of Roddy White.

Hines Ward has not had as many yards in a season as Roddy White did this year since 2002. This year he was barely over 700 yards receiving, although he had one more touchdown than Roddy White, although he had Ben Roethlisburger and not the prior mentioned trio of Falcons quarterbacks.

Santonio Holmes was another breakout player. Except he had 32 less catches, although in three less games. A good number of touchdowns, but White's season was better as a whole and then you add in the quarterback difference. Breakout player with not as good as a breakout.

Dwayne Bowe. Same thing. Breakout player who did not come close to the season Roddy White had. Bad QB situation helps his case, though.

Donald Driver had one less catch, 155 less receiving yards, and four less touchdowns than Roddy White, and he also had a much, much better quarterback than Roddy White had to deal with. A better case can be made because of his very good 2006 season, though.

Deion Branch is so overrated. He has played 16 games only once in his six year career, has never had even 1,000 receiving yards in a single season (998 is his career high), never more than 80 catches in a season (78 is season high), never more than five touchdowns in a season, and has had played with very good quarterbacks all throughout his career with Tom Brady in New England and Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. Roddy White in his third season, his breakout year, surpassed Branch's career high in the three main catagories for wide receivers: receiving yards, receptions, and receiving touchdowns. And the 'big play receiver' Deion Branch has never had an average of 15 yards per reception in any season of his career while Roddy White has done it in all three of his seasons. Then add in the difference in quarterback play between Tom Brady and Matt Hasselbeck in comparison to Michael Vick, Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, and Byron Leftwich?

Okay, had to let everyone know how underrated Roddy White is.



considering Roddy White could have been considered a bust before this season

and was absolutley terrible when it came to catching the ball last year (not 2007)----(2006)

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 04:47 PM
Only one buccaneer on the list and he is 12345233452345 years old.

He is 12345233452345 years old with 99 speed in Madden. Crazy stuff.

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 04:49 PM
Yeah Roddy White is good, but I wouldnt put him up there with Marshall. Your reasoning was Marshall having Cutler throwing him the ball. But it's not like there was a lot of other offense there. Injured offensive line, unstable running game, and a still young quarterback. He may be much better then the falcons commitee of QBs, but he is still young and learning the offense. It's not like the Broncos had some amazing offense that Marshall benefitted from. He was our recieving game.

But Brandon Marshall still had an amazing year, and barring anymore TV accidents, should have an amazing 08.

I never said above Marshall, I said 12 spots difference is way too much considering similar breakouts, and even though Marshall was more productive the QB situation in Atlanta was pitiful. Also, no one else on our offense last year was worth mentioning except maybe Jerious Norwood and his crazy yard per carry average.

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 04:54 PM
Jason Hill, Laurent Robinson, Yamon Figurs, and Jacoby Jones, all receivers, were taken in the 5 picks before the Packers selection of James Jones. Any team that wanted James Jones could have had him.

I've been looking at your other posts... you need to get a clue.

Laurent Robinson looked good, I am fine with keeping him. A WR out of Illinois State, who as a fourth WR and with a bad QB situation, had the third most yards for rookie WRs? He has it all, just needs to be more consistent.

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 04:58 PM
considering Roddy White could have been considered a bust before this season

and was absolutley terrible when it came to catching the ball last year (not 2007)----(2006)

The guys on that list either were breakout players like White, most of which with inferior years, were not productive as White, or have never been as productive as White. They also, for the most part, had much better quarterback situations.

SuperMcGee
03-26-2008, 07:37 PM
I think we just need to get the ball in his hands more, however we can, on offense. I think Reed actually played as our #2 last year. I know Reed is like bouncy ball after the catch, but I'll take Roscoe's explosiveness and shiftiness in the open field in the slot all day over Reed. Plus, Roscoe is pretty fearless over the middle for how small he is. Reed is an OK #3 slot guy but I think Roscoe is a great one.

I agree, I want to get the ball to Roscoe more, too. Problem is he's not separating like he should be. He can be great there, but like I said he just needs some work. Reverses or end-arounds have been hit or miss with him.
And yes, Reed was our #2 for pretty much the whole year. He's obviously more suited for the slot.

T-RICH49
03-26-2008, 08:45 PM
No, I didn't hear that.

Bowe may crack the top 15 next year, but not top 5. He'll never be up there.

had his HC had enough common sense to get him the ball more he could have been top 15-20 this year

CC.SD
03-26-2008, 08:58 PM
Wow, very odd to see two chargers on this list, but not inaccurate.

I can't decide who I like to really get in a groove this year; Chambers or Jackson. My head says Chambers, he was incredibly clutch and when he and Rivers started to gel they made some beautiful music.

Jackson is just such a physical beast though; fast, HUGE and acrobatic. If he delivers this year like he did throughout the playoffs, wow.

The really interesting part about both of these guys is that neither of them will see more than just single coverage; with Gates out there, and LT keeping a guy in the box usually, there's just not enough defenders to give everyone the attention they deserve.

GB12
03-26-2008, 09:06 PM
Laurent Robinson looked good, I am fine with keeping him. A WR out of Illinois State, who as a fourth WR and with a bad QB situation, had the third most yards for rookie WRs? He has it all, just needs to be more consistent.
Nope.
1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Calvin Johnson
3. James Jones

I'm not sure how it goes after that or even what Robinson had, but I know that was the top three. I know it wasn't key to your point, just saying.

EvilMonkey
03-26-2008, 09:13 PM
Nope.
1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Calvin Johnson
3. James Jones

I'm not sure how it goes after that or even what Robinson had, but I know that was the top three. I know it wasn't key to your point, just saying.

anthony gonzalez is ahead of him too, robinson is 5th in yards for rookie WR

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 09:23 PM
Oh well, still good considering the situation.

d34ng3l021
03-26-2008, 09:31 PM
The list proves itself to be invalid due to the lacking of Roddy White within the number 1 spot.

BamaFalcon59
03-26-2008, 09:35 PM
The list proves itself to be invalid due to the lacking of Roddy White within the number 1 spot.

I would say top 15. Or at least 20.

the decider13
03-27-2008, 11:32 AM
I never said above Marshall, I said 12 spots difference is way too much considering similar breakouts, and even though Marshall was more productive the QB situation in Atlanta was pitiful. Also, no one else on our offense last year was worth mentioning except maybe Jerious Norwood and his crazy yard per carry average.


That's true, White should be a little further up. Especially if it is based on production AND potential. Because it doesnt seem like the list is only for current production and skills. Now with Turner, Norwood, and Roddy white, that is a decent potential for an offense. Now if only there was someone to throw the ball...

BamaFalcon59
03-27-2008, 04:15 PM
That's true, White should be a little further up. Especially if it is based on production AND potential. Because it doesnt seem like the list is only for current production and skills. Now with Turner, Norwood, and Roddy white, that is a decent potential for an offense. Now if only there was someone to throw the ball...

And a left tackle.

d34ng3l021
03-27-2008, 04:25 PM
Jake Long and Brian Brohm for the draft! It could happen.

BamaFalcon59
03-27-2008, 04:27 PM
I would love that, although I hate not grabbing a player like Glenn Dorsey.

TitleTown088
03-27-2008, 04:29 PM
Jake Long and Brian Brohm for the draft! It could happen.

You can have Brohm, after you trade to pick 30 with the Packers.

ChezPower4
03-28-2008, 10:36 AM
BOWE top 5 next year ya heardddddddddd

I'd bet my car, house and all the clothes on my back that Dwane Bowe will NOT be in the top 5 next year.

kmartin575
03-28-2008, 11:04 AM
I'd bet my car, house and all the clothes on my back that Dwane Bowe will NOT be in the top 5 next year.

And I would make the same bet that the Packers will not return to the playoffs without Brett Favre at quarterback.

tjpackers
03-28-2008, 11:27 AM
Isaac Bruce at 42nd and Marvin Harrison at 13th yah he got injured but he is a top 5 WR

PackerLegend
03-28-2008, 11:31 AM
And I would make the same bet that the Packers will not return to the playoffs without Brett Favre at quarterback.

I want this in writing right here.... would you really be that stupid to make a bet like this. Yes we havent seen much of Rodgers yet but we still have a good supporting cast to help him if he sucks and if he is good then no problems. The NFL is unpredictable.........

Dam8610
03-28-2008, 12:04 PM
Isaac Bruce at 42nd and Marvin Harrison at 13th yah he got injured but he is a top 5 WR

Since when is 13th in the Top 5? As for your little comparison there, I don't think you want to start an Issac Bruce vs. Marvin Harrison argument, that's not one you'll win.

SuperMcGee
03-28-2008, 12:17 PM
Since when is 13th in the Top 5? As for your little comparison there, I don't think you want to start an Issac Bruce vs. Marvin Harrison argument, that's not one you'll win.

It's not very comprehensible so I can't be sure of anything, but he may have just thought that both should be higher.

Dam8610
03-28-2008, 12:20 PM
It's not very comprehensible so I can't be sure of anything, but he may have just thought that both should be higher.

Ah, upon reinspection, that very well may be, and of active careers, he might be right, but at current time? No way is either currently a Top 5 WR, and I'd find it hard to justify Marvin as top 10 until I see him play at that level after the injury.

ChezPower4
03-29-2008, 02:12 PM
And I would make the same bet that the Packers will not return to the playoffs without Brett Favre at quarterback.

Are you serious... The packers will make the playoffs. we have a very good defence, lots of playmakers on offence and a very young team that gets better everyday.

marks01234
03-30-2008, 04:31 PM
Ah, upon reinspection, that very well may be, and of active careers, he might be right, but at current time? No way is either currently a Top 5 WR, and I'd find it hard to justify Marvin as top 10 until I see him play at that level after the injury.

I'm not sure that Marvin Harrison has ever been a top 5 WR.

bearsfan_51
03-30-2008, 04:32 PM
Are you serious... The packers will make the playoffs. we have a very good defence, lots of playmakers on offence and a very young team that gets better everyday.

It's 50/50 at best that the Packers make the playoffs. You have a lot of offensive playmakers with Favre. It's yet to be seen how well they work together without him. As for the defense, I think it's a very solid group but I don't think it's going to get much better. Could be wrong though.

I've had the Vikes as the favorites, but am starting to lean back to the Packers. It's far from a guarantee though.

RaiderNation
03-30-2008, 05:19 PM
good to see curry

BlindSite
03-30-2008, 06:05 PM
I'd put Smith above Owens, but that's just me.

Primetime21
03-30-2008, 06:13 PM
Good to see Ted Ginn absent from the list. But I dont know why they questioned Nate Burelson's speed if anything his hands are whats holding him back.

Bengalsrocket
03-31-2008, 12:10 PM
List seems bogus. Harrison at 13? in my mind it should be, without a doubt:

1) Moss
2) Harrison
3) TO
4) Chad Johnson
5) Torry Holt

Those 5 receivers are all going to the hall of fame - and the fact that 3 of them aren't even top 5 is mind boggling =/

I understand where the writer is coming from with Steve Smith and Andre Johnson. But neither of those 2 have been as consistant as TO, Chad or Harrison - seems like a big mistake to me.

azbmxican
03-31-2008, 02:29 PM
thats why Boldin in his first 5 seasons is breaking records as fast as the fatman eating cupcakes.

azbmxican
03-31-2008, 02:30 PM
List seems bogus. Harrison at 13? in my mind it should be, without a doubt:

1) Moss
2) Harrison
3) TO
4) Chad Johnson
5) Torry Holt

Those 5 receivers are all going to the hall of fame - and the fact that 3 of them aren't even top 5 is mind boggling =/

I understand where the writer is coming from with Steve Smith and Andre Johnson. But neither of those 2 have been as consistant as TO, Chad or Harrison - seems like a big mistake to me.


I agree with you on Smith not being nearly as consistent as most top 8 WRs in the category.

BengalsPwn
03-31-2008, 02:41 PM
I stopped reading when I saw CJ at 8 and people like Braylon head of him.

holt_bruce81
03-31-2008, 07:56 PM
Plaxico ahead of Torry

I laugh!

ChezPower4
04-01-2008, 09:56 AM
It's 50/50 at best that the Packers make the playoffs. You have a lot of offensive playmakers with Favre. It's yet to be seen how well they work together without him. As for the defense, I think it's a very solid group but I don't think it's going to get much better. Could be wrong though.

I've had the Vikes as the favorites, but am starting to lean back to the Packers. It's far from a guarantee though.

I agree that the packers and the vikings are probably gonna be 1,2 in the division but i think that jacksons play for the vikings is the key and I personaly don't think that he's ever gonna be good. How Rodgers is going to do is still yet to be seen but I would take him over Jackson any day. Plus if out run game gets better it will make it easier for Rodgers.

BlindSite
04-01-2008, 04:56 PM
I agree with you on Smith not being nearly as consistent as most top 8 WRs in the category.

Smith has been consistent, his quarterbacking hasn't been.

When he's fed the ball anywhere from 7-12 times a game you're looking at easily over 100 yards and easily a touchdown.

If the QB is inept, like for 11 games last year a receiver is going to struggle.

Bengalsrocket
04-02-2008, 03:59 AM
Smith has been consistent, his quarterbacking hasn't been.

When he's fed the ball anywhere from 7-12 times a game you're looking at easily over 100 yards and easily a touchdown.

If the QB is inept, like for 11 games last year a receiver is going to struggle.

I just looked up the 2007 stats on NFL.com for QB's in Carolina and, lol, check this out (God I hope NFL.com got this wrong:

Vinny Testaverde: sacked 46 times
Jake Delhomme: Sacked 46 times
David Carr: Sacked 76 times

I can't even believe that, thats 168 times =(. Giving up 168 plays may be why I think Steve Smith is not worth a top 5 receiver spot =/

Point being is a great receiver benefits from both a great line and a great QB, just as a great QB benefits from a great receiver. Steve Smith doesn't have a great line or great QB yet, but I still don't think he deserves a top 5 spot until he gets both of those and starts producing the real numbers we all know he can.

Dam8610
04-02-2008, 04:05 AM
I'm not sure that Marvin Harrison has ever been a top 5 WR.

You, sir, are an idiot. He wasn't top 5 when he was in the top 3 in every major receiving category in 2006, a year in which no other WR was even in the top 5 in all 3 categories? And that's not even close to his best year...

BlindSite
04-02-2008, 06:47 AM
I just looked up the 2007 stats on NFL.com for QB's in Carolina and, lol, check this out (God I hope NFL.com got this wrong:

Vinny Testaverde: sacked 46 times
Jake Delhomme: Sacked 46 times
David Carr: Sacked 76 times

I can't even believe that, thats 168 times =(. Giving up 168 plays may be why I think Steve Smith is not worth a top 5 receiver spot =/

Point being is a great receiver benefits from both a great line and a great QB, just as a great QB benefits from a great receiver. Steve Smith doesn't have a great line or great QB yet, but I still don't think he deserves a top 5 spot until he gets both of those and starts producing the real numbers we all know he can.

The coming season should see a vast improvement already the team has solidified 4 out of 5 positions along the line with depth and strong players. All we need is one cog and things will be fine. Delhomme's ahead of schedule and Smith has a receiver opposite to help free him up.

It'll be a big year health permitting imo.