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Big_Pete
03-25-2008, 10:46 PM
Cliff Avril is an ideal fit at OLB in a 3-4; he is the kind of guy who makes the 3-4 defense work

Avril has genuine blazing speed which the other prospects don't have, plus he is a proven hard worker and from a college that has produced proven performers in Shaun Phillips and Anthony Spencer in recent years.

Considering the premium placed on pass rushers, I don't see Cliff Avril making it to the 2nd round.

I think it would be extremely hard for the Steelers or 49ers to pass him up

Plus Miami, NYJ have early second round picks, and need OLB help badly. I suspect both would be interested in trading up to get Avril.

If Avril did make it to 31, I think the Giants would certainly be very interested in him, they certainly don't mind moving college DEs to OLB and need LB help badly.

BeerBaron
03-25-2008, 10:51 PM
idk about the giants but i believe the 49ers would give him a serious look. another pass rusher is exactly what the doctor ordered for them

NotoriousT
03-25-2008, 10:58 PM
Since when do the Giants need LB help badly? We're perfectly fine at LB and drafting a 3-4 OLB wouldn't do us any good.

toonsterwu
03-25-2008, 11:19 PM
Much as I am a huge fan of Cliff Avril, I actually think the chances are quite high he makes it into the 2nd. Certainly, the possibility exists that some team nabs him late first, but the teams you list all have reasons not to, and I can't think of many teams that would necessarily go for him late first unless someone deals up. Pittsburgh is high on Lamarr Woodley from last year, and with their OL issues, search for a bigger WR, perhaps more CB and DL talent, OLB seems like a fringe focus. The Niners certainly could look. It seems they'll address ILB with what's there and maybe a later pick (Dontarrious Thomas or Brandon Moore) unless a top talent falls to them (Keith Rivers). Manny Lawson hasn't proved that much, and their other options are iffy. That said, the Niners also have some OL concerns (with Staley set to move to LT, they could look for a RT or a guard), could use another young WR (although they are still high on Hill), could look for more DL talent, and in particular, size. Outside of those two, I don't see many teams looking that way. The Giants seem unlikely. With Tuck essentially committed as Strahan's eventual replacement, Kiwi looks like he might stay at LB, which negates a first round look for a guy to transition. Maybe later, but hard for me to buy first round. Packers? Don't rule it out if he's brought in as a pass rush specialist to develop at LB, but that seems fringy as well (although I think there's a greater chance of the Packers than the Giants). Dallas and San Diego have other needs. One slim, absolutely slim darkhorse would be Jacksonville, but that is very, very slim (they'd have to buy him as a hands in the ground pass rusher that can develop everydown, which is unlikely).

Now, I did mention trade for a specific reason. If the Dolphins and Rams don't go with an edge guy in the first, they could look to him early 2nd (although both also have other needs). Thus, a team could seek to move up.

I see Avril, much as I am a huge fan, settling in the early 2nd round range right now. A long way to go, though.

themaninblack
03-26-2008, 01:25 PM
ive seen some tape on him, is it possible he's there at 47? he'd be a nice piece if we're gonna run a hybrid look.

DawgBone
03-26-2008, 02:17 PM
ive seen some tape on him, is it possible he's there at 47? he'd be a nice piece if we're gonna run a hybrid look.

He will mostly likely be there around 47.

hugegmenfan
03-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Cliff Avril is an ideal fit at OLB in a 3-4; he is the kind of guy who makes the 3-4 defense work

Avril has genuine blazing speed which the other prospects don't have, plus he is a proven hard worker and from a college that has produced proven performers in Shaun Phillips and Anthony Spencer in recent years.

Considering the premium placed on pass rushers, I don't see Cliff Avril making it to the 2nd round.

I think it would be extremely hard for the Steelers or 49ers to pass him up

Plus Miami, NYJ have early second round picks, and need OLB help badly. I suspect both would be interested in trading up to get Avril.

If Avril did make it to 31, I think the Giants would certainly be very interested in him, they certainly don't mind moving college DEs to OLB and need LB help badly.

he is a tremendous reach @ 31. Also he is a 3-4 OLB. You said it yourself. Last time i checked we were a 4-3 :)

ThePudge
03-26-2008, 02:35 PM
He will mostly likely be there around 47.

I doubt it. There are no guarantees on draft day, but I highly doubt Avril makes it past the Jets and the 49ers second round pick. They are 36 and 39 respectively I believe.

FA1
03-27-2008, 04:59 PM
Avril wouldn't be a huge reach in the 1st. I have him rated very close to Groves. They are very similar athletes. I like Groves more as a DE and Avril more as a LB. Avril has a lot more experience at LB and is more comfortable in space and reverse, while Groves has a lot more on his resume as a pass-rusher than Avril. I have pretty much no doubt that Avril could play LB at a high level in a 43 defense, not just a 34.

Big_Pete
03-27-2008, 08:25 PM
Since when do the Giants need LB help badly? We're perfectly fine at LB and drafting a 3-4 OLB wouldn't do us any good.

Actually the Giants do need likely need LB help.

Danny Clark is a solid vet, but certainly isn't spectacular. DeOssie and Wilkinson are unproven and Blackburn is strictly a backup.

The other issue is that all of the Giants LBs are relatively slow.

If Strahan retires, then Kiwanuka will almost certainly move back to DE.

The Giants have twice gone for college DEs and moved them to LB; Avril has substantially more speed and athleticism than either. Don't forget that Avril does have some experience at LB

Avril would be an ideal fit at SLB where he could be used much like Kiwanuka (with better coverage skills, more speed and more athleticism).

He would also be a pretty decent fit at WLB where he will have more freedom to use his speed and athleticsin to make plays.