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21ST
03-26-2008, 05:28 PM
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

I dont see the skins winning more than 3 or 4 games but i think they can still split one with the giants, not at NY and not this early in the season though so it is gonna probably get bad.

skinzzfan25
03-26-2008, 05:32 PM
Info here also:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8076adb5&template=without-video&confirm=true

Time to rain on that superbowl parade :)

bearsfan_51
03-26-2008, 05:34 PM
Well that's pretty underwhelming. No offense to the Redskins but of all the options they are far from the most compelling team.

I guess they figure people will watch anything if they're that starved for football.

princefielder28
03-26-2008, 05:39 PM
BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I hope the Redskins kick their a$$

neko4
03-26-2008, 05:59 PM
i think if campbell has a breakout year the skins could suprise some people. But they also need the line to stay healthy

scottyboy
03-26-2008, 06:02 PM
you really think you can split the Giants? holy ****, we're the reigning champs, and we still get like no respect.

neko4
03-26-2008, 06:06 PM
you really think you can split the Giants? holy ****, we're the reigning champs, and we still get like no respect.
you also have a target on your back the size of Manhattan
The super bowl winner always has a giant target

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:08 PM
you really think you can split the Giants? holy ****, we're the reigning champs, and we still get like no respect.

yea i dont understand the hate, you all wanted us to beat the Pats and ruin their chance at history, now you go a full 180 and start hating on us, not right man, not right.

scottyboy
03-26-2008, 06:11 PM
you also have a target on your back the size of Manhattan
The super bowl winner always has a giant target

so? we know that, but since when does that result in us not getting respect? The Pats had a HUGE target on their back starting after they beat the Colts and were undefeated, they did pretty well under that pressure(until the Super Bowl at least ;) )

i can understand why princey's kinda bitter, after, well you guys know...

neko4
03-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Well you still have some glaring holes, IMO
Toomer could drop off at any year. He has been around for awhile. Though Steve Smith looks nice. Oline is decent. Good TE's and RB's. Defensive line has alot of great pass rushers, but I still think its weak against the run. Safties are a major concern and outside of Pierce i dont think you guys have good LB's. CB's could be better too

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:32 PM
Well you still have some glaring holes, IMO
Toomer could drop off at any year. He has been around for awhile. Though Steve Smith looks nice. Oline is decent. Good TE's and RB's. Defensive line has alot of great pass rushers, but I still think its weak against the run. Safties are a major concern and outside of Pierce i dont think you guys have good LB's. CB's could be better too

Any reciever could drop off at any year, he came up big for us in the playoffs making nice catches at pivotal times. OLine is more than decent, DB is a major concern that will most likely addressed early in the draft and maybe still in FA. In our scheme WE DONT NEED GOOD LBs, and besides we have AP who is good, Kiwi could be good but is definately a good pass rusher, and Wilk will be decent.
CBs are fine for right now, Ross Madison Webster RW Dockery all started for us last year (maybe not RW but he did all two years ago).

scottyboy
03-26-2008, 06:34 PM
Well you still have some glaring holes, IMO
Toomer could drop off at any year. He has been around for awhile. Though Steve Smith looks nice. Oline is decent. Good TE's and RB's. Defensive line has alot of great pass rushers, but I still think its weak against the run. Safties are a major concern and outside of Pierce i dont think you guys have good LB's. CB's could be better too

wait, really? Wasn't Toomer supposed to drop off last year? Is our OL really only decent? They didn't prove enough last year with a "glaring hole at LT".

Our DL is weak against the run? WHAT!?!?! that's news to me. Tuck, and Strahan are EXCELLENT against the run, and that's the only good Robbins can do. Just ask Ryan Grant, I'm pretty sure he thinks we're good there Safety, OLB and CB were big concerns last year, but we did ok with that didn't we? lets also remember the Giants are UPGRADING our LB's by subtaction. Kiwi is back, he started last year remember, and Gerris is much more athletic than Mitchell was

Turtlepower
03-26-2008, 06:38 PM
Guys understand. People still think that the Pats lost. No one really notices that the Giants won. It sucks, but we just gotta beat them all again for our respect.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2008, 06:42 PM
yea i dont understand the hate, you all wanted us to beat the Pats and ruin their chance at history, now you go a full 180 and start hating on us, not right man, not right.

oh please, you act like winning the super bowl will have everyone running around saying " I love the Giants their gonna win this thing again", their is no hating so get off that high horse, but you have to show you can consistently be a contender(Colts, Pats) before anyone considers you a shoe in to win anything and frankly one season doesnt do that...its getting a little old hearing everyone crying for respect after one season already.


Regardless, I was hoping the Cowboys and Giants would get the season opener, ill still watch anyway.

scottyboy
03-26-2008, 06:46 PM
oh please, you act like winning the super bowl will have everyone running around saying " I love the Giants their gonna win this thing again", their is no hating so get off that high horse, but you have to show you can consistently be a contender(Colts, Pats) before anyone considers you a shoe in to win anything and frankly one season doesnt do that...its getting a little old hearing everyone crying for respect after one season already.


Regardless, I was hoping the Cowboys and Giants would get the season opener, ill still watch anyway.

no, we're not even close to "crying for respect" it's just that we've gotten absolutly NONE during the playoffs, leading up to the Super Bowl, or even after.

The Cowboys get more than we do, and last I checked, they haven't won a playoff game since the mid 90's. So i don't think it's being a contender, considering we've made the playoffs the past 3 years, and have been to 2 super bowls in the past 8

skinzzfan25
03-26-2008, 06:49 PM
you really think you can split the Giants? holy ****, we're the reigning champs, and we still get like no respect.

We've split with you 4 of the last 5 years, even under Spurrier.

I don't see how it's too wild of an assumption....

We beat you last year at home where Eli went for a stunning 18-53.

JK17
03-26-2008, 06:50 PM
It's really not a sign of disrespect to think its possible to split a game against a division rival. The Giants are Super Bowl Champions, but they certainly weren't the "best team" even in their own division last year, for the majority of the year.

It's not "disrespect" for the OP to say I think its possible we split games with them. It's not like he came out and guaranteed it. In fact, he even probably said they'd lose the first time around.

LonghornsLegend
03-26-2008, 06:53 PM
no, we're not even close to "crying for respect" it's just that we've gotten absolutly NONE during the playoffs, leading up to the Super Bowl, or even after.

The Cowboys get more than we do, and last I checked, they haven't won a playoff game since the mid 90's. So i don't think it's being a contender, considering we've made the playoffs the past 3 years, and have been to 2 super bowls in the past 8

I dont know what respect the Cowboys get around here, outside of Romo still being overrated who cant win a big game as people would say, Id venture to say thats pretty false, people hate the Cowboys on here just like the Pats so no, if anything its because we won the division last year...But in years like this your not going to get much respect right off the bat, Eli and the team was playing bad right up until the playoffs started, so its normal for people to want to see the entire team playing at a high level consistently to get that type of respect...But who cares about that anyway? Id rather get no respect and have the team fueled by that(isnt that what drove the team through the playoffs is not getting any respect), so I dont really understand why every Giants fan wants it now, Id rather my team not get ANY respect what so ever and everyone stays hungry like they were at the end of last year.

But until Eli shows he can be an elite for for more then a few games in a row, and the rest of the team follows suit, they wont get much respect, thats pretty much how it works for everyone though.

neko4
03-26-2008, 06:53 PM
wait, really? Wasn't Toomer supposed to drop off last year? Is our OL really only decent? They didn't prove enough last year with a "glaring hole at LT".

Our DL is weak against the run? WHAT!?!?! that's news to me. Tuck, and Strahan are EXCELLENT against the run, and that's the only good Robbins can do. Just ask Ryan Grant, I'm pretty sure he thinks we're good there Safety, OLB and CB were big concerns last year, but we did ok with that didn't we? lets also remember the Giants are UPGRADING our LB's by subtaction. Kiwi is back, he started last year remember, and Gerris is much more athletic than Mitchell was
And strahan could retire. If he doesnt, i'll be fine with the line, but i really think he wants to go out on top. the oline is good. And maybe this Toomer's year. Just because people were wrong last year doesnt mean they cant be wrong again. All im saying is, the Giants arent as good as past super bowl winners. Theyre a great team, but they still dont strike fear into me and i feel the Redskins could beat them.

neko4
03-26-2008, 06:54 PM
But until Eli shows he can be an elite for for more then a few games in a row, and the rest of the team follows suit, they wont get much respect, thats pretty much how it works for everyone though.
Same here. The secondary played great for 4 games, but the only guy in that secondary i think has upside is Ross.

Geo
03-26-2008, 06:55 PM
Guys understand. People still think that the Pats lost. No one really notices that the Giants won. It sucks, but we just gotta beat them all again for our respect.
That's awfully cute, but foolishly and laughably wrong. Give me a freaking break, the Giants won likely the best Super Bowl ever played, they went down the field and scored the winning TD with seconds remaining. No one is going to take that away from them, don't make stupid statements and "oh woe is the Giants" stuff up.

But just because the Giants won it all in 07 doesn't mean they are some lock to win it all in 08. They couldn't even win a home playoff game in 05 and 06, with pretty much the same roster. Dallas fades badly by the time the playoffs arrive, and Favre got to the point where the cold affected him last season which is why he retired. Playing the Patriots was the best possible Super Bowl match-up for the Giants last year, if it was the Colts and maybe the Chargers too they would have lost.

As for the season opener, it's a solid enough match-up I suppose. Better than the earlier season openers before the SB winner were hosts, and even then we had the Raiders @ the Patriots. I don't think the Redskins get back to the playoffs this year, but you'd think they would start the season strong ... except they've got new coaches in charge on both sides of the ball and usually it takes some time to adjust/gel.

Should be a fun game though, both teams notorious for flailing around when stricken with the injury bug should be very healthy. Division rivals hopefully make it a better game, although that wasn't the case last year with the MNF double-headers in CIN/BAL and ARI/SF. I'll watch it of course, it's the season opener and I like the Giants. Also like NFC East match-ups.

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:56 PM
We've split with you 4 of the last 5 years, even under Spurrier.

I don't see how it's too wild of an assumption....

We beat you last year at home where Eli went for a stunning 18-53.

did you not see the wind, i remember you punted and it rolled all the way close to the 1. And it was still a close game.

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 06:58 PM
That's awfully cute, but foolishly and laughably wrong. Give me a freaking break, the Giants won likely the best Super Bowl ever played, they went down the field and scored the winning TD with seconds remaining. No one is going to take that away from them, don't make stupid statements and "oh woe is the Giants" stuff up.

But just because the Giants won it all in 07 doesn't mean they are some lock to win it all in 08. They couldn't even win a home playoff games in 05 and 06, with pretty much the same roster. Dallas fades badly by the time the playoffs arrive, and Favre got to the point where the cold affected him last season which is why he retired. Playing the Patriots was the best possible Super Bowl match-up for the Giants last year, if it was the Colts and maybe the Chargers too they would have lost.

As for the season opener, it's a solid enough match-up I suppose. Better than the earlier season openers before the SB winner were hosts, and even then we had the Raiders @ the Patriots. I don't think the Redskins get back to the playoffs this year, but you'd think they would start the season strong ... except they've got new coaches in charge on both sides of the ball and usually it takes some time to adjust/gel.

He is right though, last year the colts were getting so much credit and publicized, and the giants arent getting the credit they deserve; a week and a half after the superbowl it seemed like it had never happened.

skinzzfan25
03-26-2008, 07:02 PM
did you not see the wind, i remember you punted and it rolled all the way close to the 1. And it was still a close game.

Well Ladell Betts pretty much GAVE you the game in the first matchup in DC.

I commend the Giants for winning the superbowl, and yes I was rooting for them. Yes, it was one of the better performances I've seen as well. But recent history tells us that just about every one of our games are close (except that one 0-36 blowout when Mara died).

Geo
03-26-2008, 07:05 PM
Well Ladell Betts pretty much GAVE you the game in the first matchup in DC.
See, I'd blame the genius who replaced Clinton Portis with Ladell Freaking JAG Betts and took over the playcalling at the goal-line.

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 07:09 PM
See, I'd blame the genius who replaced Clinton Portis with Ladell Freaking JAG Betts and took over the playcalling at the goal-line.

it still didnt look like he couldve gotten in even portis, we had at least 2 guys standing over Betts and two guys who took him down.

Nitschke-Hawk
03-26-2008, 07:35 PM
The only thing I will question with the Giants will be what if their pass rush isn't as good? and what if injuries actually catch up to them this year? God forbid somebody design a blocking scheme to keep the pass rush low. But anyway, the secondary could be torched if their pass rush drops as little as one notch.

Turtlepower
03-26-2008, 07:37 PM
The only thing I will question with the Giants will be what if their pass rush isn't as good? and what if injuries actually catch up to them this year? God forbid somebody design a blocking scheme to keep the pass rush low. But anyway, the secondary could be torched if their pass rush drops as little as one notch.

You can't say injuries because every team suffers them and they are hard to predict. Also, what is the reason for the Giants pass rush to not be as good?

Geo
03-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Kind of an interesting angle that Spags might have been the HC of the Redskins if he took the job. But honestly, even though the Redskins didn't get Spags and lost three multi-million dollar coaches haphazardly assembled together, I think they're better off now with a more stable structure and coaches more suited to take advantage of the roster. Don't overlook Blache imo, especially after Gregg Williams' abortion of a Tampa 2 that he insisted on having after 2005 despite not having the roster for it. The Redskins may not rush the passer much better, but they will stop the run better, with Blache in charge I think.

But if I was a Gaints fan, I'd be definitely glad to see the Giants play the Redskins as the opener. It's an excellent challenge to open the season and start a new potential championship run, but also the Redskins probably won't come out very strong. Again, there's a period of transition for the Redskins that you wonder if one extra preseason game (the HOF game) can overcome, plus Carlos Rogers won't play as he's trying to recover fully. Always good when you can get one leg up on the division early.

neko4
03-26-2008, 07:46 PM
Its just gonna be Smoot and Springs out there. I did not know that. Are the Skins gonna use the ZBS? Does anyone know? They may not have the Oline for it, but they have the RB for it.

Geo
03-26-2008, 07:48 PM
Good point about Washington's very talented offensive line being healthy again, the big injuries last season really hurt them - took out both tackles, I believe, and those guys are top pros. It will be fun to see them matched up against the Giants' defensive line.

neko4
03-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Randy Thomas and Jon Janses were the major losses
I thik Samuels was healthy all year and he's the back bone of the line.

Redskins4Bowl26
03-26-2008, 07:59 PM
you really think you can split the Giants? holy ****, we're the reigning champs, and we still get like no respect.

You wern't even the best team in the NFL last year. You were the most physical and you were on a roll during playoff time.

Oh, and correct me if i'm wrong but we were 3 yards away from sweeping you guys last year.

Look, I know you won the Super Bowl againts a physically drained, near perfect, non-focused Patriots team but calm down. Nobody fears you just becuase you won the Super Bowl. Your not the Patriots who won it all 3-4 years a while back.

and as far as the topic starter said? 3 games? I don't know. It all depends on Zorn. The defense will still be there.

Turtlepower
03-26-2008, 08:02 PM
You wern't even the best team in the NFL last year. You were the most physical and you were on a roll during playoff time.

Oh, and correct me if i'm wrong but we were 3 yards away from sweeping you guys last year.

Look, I know you won the Super Bowl againts a physically drained, near perfect, non-focused Patriots team but calm down. Nobody fears you just becuase you won the Super Bowl. Your not the Patriots who won it all 3-4 years a while back.

and as far as the topic starter said? 3 games? I don't know. It all depends on Zorn. The defense will still be there.

What is the determination of the best team? Wins would be the obvious answer.

Who beat 3 of the 4 teams that people predicted were going to win it all (Colts exclued) when the postseason began? The Giants.

Therefore, the Giants are the best team.

skinzzfan25
03-26-2008, 08:03 PM
Yeah, Thomas and Jansen should be back to full health by now. However, I think Stephon Heyer could beat out Jansen in camp for the starting spot.

I also hope we draft Branden Albert, it would give us a sick line.

I'm excited for Sherman Smith's offensive scheme. From being a former running back, I'm sure he can cater to every one of Portis' needs.

neko4
03-26-2008, 08:06 PM
heyer is nice. i forgot about him.

Redskins4Bowl26
03-26-2008, 08:07 PM
it still didnt look like he couldve gotten in even portis, we had at least 2 guys standing over Betts and two guys who took him down.


Thats pretty false. You have no clue if ladell betts would of knocked the crap outta one for the TD. You can't sit there and watch a game and say "Oh well he would of". Running Backs in this league are to explosive, fast, and to good at finding the whole. Especially a back like Clinton Portis.

Redskins4Bowl26
03-26-2008, 08:09 PM
What is the determination of the best team? Wins would be the obvious answer.

Who beat 3 of the 4 teams that people predicted were going to win it all (Colts exclued) when the postseason began? The Giants.

Therefore, the Giants are the best team.

Well if you want to look at it in which the argument favors you. Thats fine.

But I think it's safe to say you couldn't beat the Colts or a Chargers team. I won't win this argument. So I'll leave this alone.

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 08:13 PM
You wern't even the best team in the NFL last year. You were the most physical and you were on a roll during playoff time.

Oh, and correct me if i'm wrong but we were 3 yards away from sweeping you guys last year.

Look, I know you won the Super Bowl againts a physically drained, near perfect, non-focused Patriots team but calm down. Nobody fears you just becuase you won the Super Bowl. Your not the Patriots who won it all 3-4 years a while back.

and as far as the topic starter said? 3 games? I don't know. It all depends on Zorn. The defense will still be there.

Football is a game of inches, titans-superbowl came down to 1 yard, and who do you remember from that superbowl? the rams. How can you say they are more physicall drained team than us? They were definitely focused, we beat a team that was in contention of being the best ever, i dont think we should be criticized because we won it above 31 other teams, we are the best in the NFC at least until WE ARE KNOCKED OFF, thats how ive seen it and will always see it.

Number 10
03-26-2008, 08:18 PM
It's smart for the NFL to use a crappy team for the Giants to play in the opener. The game would get monster ratings no matter who played the G-Men, why not save the bigger games for later in the season where ratings usually are not assumed the way they are on the opening night?

BaLLiN
03-26-2008, 08:25 PM
Thats pretty false. You have no clue if ladell betts would of knocked the crap outta one for the TD. You can't sit there and watch a game and say "Oh well he would of". Running Backs in this league are to explosive, fast, and to good at finding the whole. Especially a back like Clinton Portis.

Linebackers, DLineman and even corners arent wimps either, you cant say that he couldve because it never happened, I like Portis but we had the edge so his speed wouldnt have gotten him around and i think id take Tuck over Portis

http://www.nfl.com/videos

there were two guys tuck and ross were cutting his legs and tripping him, Mitchell and Pierce were basically on top of him, and Wilson was behind. Osi also drove your blocker into the ground so there was no one else to block.

EDIT: next time prove me wrong before you call me a liar, i find it demeaning to you and me.

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 09:16 AM
Giant fans, come on, we're acting like idiots in this thread.


As for the game, I thought it wouldve generated a lot more ratings had it been Giants/Dallas. Everyone and their mom would watch that game, and I think both teams would want that game the most as well.

But oh well, guess we get the Skins. My question to Skins fans...why do you think your team is going to stink so much? Last time I checked, its basically the same roster as last year, plus you actually have draft picks you can use to help your franchise this year.

So why the long faces? I don't get it.

neko4
03-27-2008, 09:23 AM
Giant fans, come on, we're acting like idiots in this thread.


As for the game, I thought it wouldve generated a lot more ratings had it been Giants/Dallas. Everyone and their mom would watch that game, and I think both teams would want that game the most as well.

But oh well, guess we get the Skins. My question to Skins fans...why do you think your team is going to stink so much? Last time I checked, its basically the same roster as last year, plus you actually have draft picks you can use to help your franchise this year.

So why the long faces? I don't get it.


Transition year, new system
Carlos on IR

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 09:31 AM
Transition year, new system
Carlos on IR

Rogers hasn't really made much of an impact on that team thus far in his career anyway, thats not as big of a loss as you'd think. Not to mention I expect you guys to run a lot of Cover 2 and passive defense this year (something I disagree with btw).

You have draft picks, if you get a solid DE and a WR I think that negates the losses. Blades was very impressive and can sub in for McIntosh for a lil while. But you need a pass rusher on the line and a WR to compliment Moss. I don't think you guys are going to be that bad. Give the new HC a chance before writing him off.

neko4
03-27-2008, 09:35 AM
Rogers hasn't really made much of an impact on that team thus far in his career anyway, thats not as big of a loss as you'd think. Not to mention I expect you guys to run a lot of Cover 2 and passive defense this year (something I disagree with btw).

You have draft picks, if you get a solid DE and a WR I think that negates the losses. Blades was very impressive and can sub in for McIntosh for a lil while. But you need a pass rusher on the line and a WR to compliment Moss. I don't think you guys are going to be that bad. Give the new HC a chance before writing him off.
Rogers is a good CB, just not a real playmaker. I agree about Blades. He's also built like Flethcer and Im assuming will take over for him in 2 years or so (The redskins planning ahead, NO WAY!) But yea, just because there is a new coach doesnt necesarily mean rebuilding year. McCarthy and Payton's first years with their teams they did better than the year before.

Jughead10
03-27-2008, 09:52 AM
Rogers is a good CB, just not a real playmaker. I agree about Blades. He's also built like Flethcer and Im assuming will take over for him in 2 years or so (The redskins planning ahead, NO WAY!) But yea, just because there is a new coach doesnt necesarily mean rebuilding year. McCarthy and Payton's first years with their teams they did better than the year before.

Payton and McCarthy also had more legit QBs. Bottom line is the Redskins will only go as far as Campbell takes them. He needs progress more if they want to be a serious team.

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 09:54 AM
Payton and McCarthy also had more legit QBs. Bottom line is the Redskins will only go as far as Campbell takes them. He needs progress more if they want to be a serious team.

that is also true. i felt Collins played better than him last year.

Jughead10
03-27-2008, 09:56 AM
And this is a lacklaster opponent on opening night (no offense). Its probably going to cost me a decent amount to go to this game regardless of the oppoenent, so I wish we would have pulled a better opponent.

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 10:14 AM
And this is a lacklaster opponent on opening night (no offense). Its probably going to cost me a decent amount to go to this game regardless of the oppoenent, so I wish we would have pulled a better opponent.

familiarity breeds parity. i dunno it could very well be a close match. division games are never easy.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-27-2008, 10:19 AM
you also have a target on your back the size of Manhattan
The super bowl winner always has a giant target

hehe you said "Giant" target, lol.

But seriously, it's interesting to hear that skins fans take on posted this. Apparnetly the guys on Extremeskins are fired up and have a different mentality. Interesting to see how Zorn does in his first NFC East matchup.

neko4
03-27-2008, 10:21 AM
hehe you said "Giant" target, lol.

But seriously, it's interesting to hear that skins fans take on posted this. Apparnetly the guys on Extremeskins are fired up and have a different mentality. Interesting to see how Zorn does in his first NFC East matchup.
well thats cuz at extreme skinz, theres mostly skinz fans. They have a more bias view of the world im sure.

neko4
03-27-2008, 10:22 AM
Payton and McCarthy also had more legit QBs. Bottom line is the Redskins will only go as far as Campbell takes them. He needs progress more if they want to be a serious team.
True, but i really do think this is campbells year. So long as Moss doesnt drop too many balls. And they need to get a big WR.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-27-2008, 10:47 AM
well thats cuz at extreme skinz, theres mostly skinz fans. They have a more bias view of the world im sure.


Well yeah i expected some sort of "go get them", "we can beat them" type stuff, but for the most part they seem pretty confident. I think I read only a few posts that would indicate take a cautious approach. Just an interesting read is what I am saying.

Jughead10
03-27-2008, 10:51 AM
Well yeah i expected some sort of "go get them", "we can beat them" type stuff, but for the most part they seem pretty confident. I think I read only a few posts that would indicate take a cautious approach. Just an interesting read is what I am saying.

You should know better than to go to that site. Some of the most clueless football fans in the world over there.

neko4
03-27-2008, 10:52 AM
You should know better than to go to that site. Some of the most clueless football fans in the world over there.
Well theres bad football fans at any site that is devouted to one time, except the dolphins, they know they suck

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 10:56 AM
na i think skins and cowboys forums take the cake lol.

we're not the best either, but skins and cowboys are on a different level.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-27-2008, 11:03 AM
You should know better than to go to that site. Some of the most clueless football fans in the world over there.

Well I am not a member, I just read the stuff on there every once and a while to get news on what's going on with our division rivals.

703SKINS202
03-27-2008, 11:30 AM
na i think skins and cowboys forums take the cake lol.

we're not the best either, but skins and cowboys are on a different level.

id say giants fans are on a different level too especially with the new cockiness

scottyboy
03-27-2008, 11:42 AM
na i think skins and cowboys forums take the cake lol.

we're not the best either, but skins and cowboys are on a different level.

oh without a doubt, especially if you compare the skins site- extremeskins to bbi(the giants site). It's nuts. bbi is MUCH more pessimistic while extremeskins is well, ridiculous. it's not even close to being close

bigbluedefense
03-27-2008, 11:46 AM
id say giants fans are on a different level too especially with the new cockiness

we're pretty bad too, but come on, we're not even close to the level as extremeskins per say.

LonghornsLegend
03-27-2008, 11:46 AM
Well theres bad football fans at any site that is devouted to one time, except the dolphins, they know they suck

LOL the dolphins forum is probably the most unrealistic forum ive ever been to...Last month there were threads everywhere talking about bringing in every big name FA, and all plenty of "we should trade our 2nd rd pick for Fitzgerald id do it!111!!1!!"


I dont even bother with forums devoted to solely one team, not even the Cowboys, when its only fans of one team usually their realism is skewed and homerism is out of control.

neko4
03-27-2008, 12:03 PM
id say giants fans are on a different level too especially with the new cockiness
well they did just win the super bowl

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-27-2008, 12:41 PM
honestly whod want to watch this game?

kidding.Im curious to see how the skins do under Zorn.

skinzzfan25
03-27-2008, 04:30 PM
Payton and McCarthy also had more legit QBs. Bottom line is the Redskins will only go as far as Campbell takes them. He needs progress more if they want to be a serious team.

I like Campbell more this year than I did last year. Jason has all of the measurables you would want in a QB, just the system wasn't good for him. Saunders' Coryell offense relied more on quick reads and quick throws. I've heard comparisons of Zorn's version of the WCO to the similar system that Jason played with his senior year at Auburn where he put up monster numbers with no notable receivers (even though he had two monster RBs).

Unlike Gibbs and Saunders, I think Zorn and Smith will cater the offense to the players, rather then throwing a 700 page book at them. Zorn has already came out and said that he would call an aggressive game. I swear, in the last 5 years we probably smash everybody else in 2nd half letdowns.

Jughead10
03-27-2008, 05:38 PM
I like Campbell more this year than I did last year. Jason has all of the measurables you would want in a QB, just the system wasn't good for him. Saunders' Coryell offense relied more on quick reads and quick throws. I've heard comparisons of Zorn's version of the WCO to the similar system that Jason played with his senior year at Auburn where he put up monster numbers with no notable receivers (even though he had two monster RBs).

Unlike Gibbs and Saunders, I think Zorn and Smith will cater the offense to the players, rather then throwing a 700 page book at them. Zorn has already came out and said that he would call an aggressive game. I swear, in the last 5 years we probably smash everybody else in 2nd half letdowns.

I don't know about that part. None of those guys became great NFL receivers yet, but they are still in the league. Very large WRs too.

21ST
03-27-2008, 05:52 PM
Giant fans, come on, we're acting like idiots in this thread.


As for the game, I thought it wouldve generated a lot more ratings had it been Giants/Dallas. Everyone and their mom would watch that game, and I think both teams would want that game the most as well.

But oh well, guess we get the Skins. My question to Skins fans...why do you think your team is going to stink so much? Last time I checked, its basically the same roster as last year, plus you actually have draft picks you can use to help your franchise this year.

So why the long faces? I don't get it.

Well there are plenty reasons to think we are gonna suck but the main one is because the next season is going to be nothing but a long year of tryouts for next year until we can get some real coaches.

skinzzfan25
03-27-2008, 05:55 PM
I don't know about that part. None of those guys became great NFL receivers yet, but they are still in the league. Very large WRs too.

From my knowledge, I think only two even got drafted.

Both in the 7th round Obomanu and Aromashodu, and Mix UDFA. I wouldn't call that really notable.

EDIT: Courtney Taylor was a late 6th rounder also.

Giantsfan1080
03-27-2008, 05:59 PM
Campbell also had a great running game to open up a lot of things for him.

21ST
03-27-2008, 06:08 PM
Campbell also had a great running game to open up a lot of things for him.

They are trying to help out Campbell though, we run a west coast offense now. Portis is still a great back and all we need is someone to complement him. If we could get Branden Albert in the 1st round and draft Peyton Hillis later on that would be great so then we could cut Betts and finally have a RB to complement portis.

It is really funny how non redskins fans look at Ladell Betts.

BaLLiN
03-27-2008, 06:18 PM
It is really funny how non redskins fans look at Ladell Betts.

do you mean in a good way or bad way?

neko4
03-27-2008, 06:21 PM
They are trying to help out Campbell though, we run a west coast offense now. Portis is still a great back and all we need is someone to complement him. If we could get Branden Albert in the 1st round and draft Peyton Hillis later on that would be great so then we could cut Betts and finally have a RB to complement portis.

It is really funny how non redskins fans look at Ladell Betts.
whats wrong with betts?

skinzzfan25
03-27-2008, 06:25 PM
Betts can never find the endzone. Even as a starter, in 06 when Portis was hurt, he got near 1200 yards and only 4 TDs. Also, he likes to fumble at the worst possible times.

I like Betts, but I do agree that we should get a late round prospect to step up later.

EDIT: He has as many career rushing TDs as fumbles.

However, I think he is still our best receiving threat out of the backfield, and the WCO should defiantly open this up for him.

neko4
03-27-2008, 06:26 PM
wel, both betts and portis may be feeling the effects of age next year
and sellers is like 30 somethin

luee
03-27-2008, 08:45 PM
You think anybody will tune in to watch the latest skins QB bust Jason Campbell in the post-GibbsII era?