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jnew76
03-27-2008, 05:04 PM
Scott's scouting report has this as a possibility and based on his frame and athletic ability I think he could. He may have the second best feet in the draft behind Chris Williams. I know he will probably begin as a Guard, but can he transition out to tackle in the future?

Sorry about the spelling error in title. Correction - Branden Albert

Addict
03-27-2008, 05:05 PM
can but shouldn't. It's the same thing as with Leonard Davis IMO, great guard, not so great tackle. Tackles move inside but that road is one-way traffic.

Staubach12
03-27-2008, 05:08 PM
I agree with Addict. He should be considered a Guard.

Thunder&Lightning
03-27-2008, 05:11 PM
ya he could but i think it would be a mistake to move him there. Hes a natural at guard and it would be wasted talent if you moved him to OT. Hes average at OT but great at G.

Addict
03-27-2008, 05:12 PM
ya he could but i think it would be a mistake to move him there. Hes a natural at guard and it would be wasted talent if you moved him to OT. Hes average at OT but great at G.

exactly. He's a first-round guard and maybe a late second round tackle, if that.

BeerBaron
03-27-2008, 05:24 PM
anyone taking him as a G outside of the top 20 picks is getting one hell of a guard. could be a good anchor on the inside of the line for a good long while

now, i wouldnt touch him in the first if my plan was to move him straight to tackle. but, if he plays G for a few years in the league and suddenly you find yourself in need of a good guard, i think he could be moved there.

but to draft him as a tackle is pretty foolish IMO

Paranoidmoonduck
03-27-2008, 05:26 PM
I think he can. I really like the way this guy blocks laterally. He's smooth and uses his hands really well. Now, is he the sort of tackle who will flat out dominate his man? Probably not. But in a scheme that takes advantage of his mobility and ability to block once he gets to the next level (zone blocking), he might even be able to play left tackle.

I don't like the Leonard Davis comparison, because Davis is pretty heavy footed and cartoonishly massive, while Albert is very athletic and quick and has a great frame for offensive tackle.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 05:31 PM
Can he? Well, sure. In fact, his skillset, as I've been arguing, is better suited for tackle than guard. I'll go a step further than you jnew. His footwork is better than Chris Williams, and arguably the best in the draft out of the OL options, and when you add in his long arms and his technical prowess, it's an intriguing fit. The reason why Albert's rise initially surprised me was simple. As a guard, he lacks top end in line run blocking ability, and while a good athlete, Albert isn't a great athlete.

That said, if you project Albert as a tackle, then his rise makes sense. The problem is, it'll take some time. Or will it? There seems to be a feeling that Albert's play at tackle this past year graded out better than when he was at guard, and he graded out very well at guard. Personally, I think you'll need to give Albert a year or two before placing high expectations, but with talk that 5 OL guys could potentially be off before 15, there might be the feeling that Albert can step in sooner than later.

foozball
03-27-2008, 08:31 PM
how do yall think he could do in a ZBS like houston with alex gibbs coming in? you say his run blocking isnt dominant, which it isnt, but he's mobile and athletic and the ZBS should somewhat hide his weaknesses in the run game. he's got the tools to be a good pass blocker with his feet and long arms at 35+ inches.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 08:36 PM
Albert would be fine as a zone blocker. In a zone system, I could see him adapting to OT much quicker if it was asked of him.

Btw, just to be clear, what I am saying is that he's not a dominant in-line run blocker. He's very good in space.

619
03-27-2008, 08:38 PM
It should be noted he originally was to start at LT if not for the young guy there and possibly future first rounder Eugene Monroe and before him Ferguson. So to answer your question yes he can play LT and I actually believe he should because he grades out much better imo.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 08:43 PM
Actually, he was never slated for it 619. At least, not that I know of in following UVA, as Monroe and Albert came in the same year (with albert off of pg). Monroe was always the long range LT. The original plan was to get Albert on the field at guard and eventually move him to RT. With the development of Barker the following season, they felt comfortable with the Monroe/Albert tag team on the left side and left it as such.

JagHombre22
03-27-2008, 08:45 PM
Yea, he can...but I wouldn't unless he had to...i.e. injury, what not...

He reminds me of Maurice Williams...was a good tackle but very good guard...

619
03-27-2008, 08:49 PM
I was watching NFLN and Charles Davis mentioned something along those lines when talking to Virginia's OL coach. Then again I'd have to watch it again to reaffirm the statement but I'm very sure that's what I heard.

jnew76
03-27-2008, 08:53 PM
First - Thanks to all who gave their input.

The reason I asked this question was because I was working on my mock draft and came to pick #18 for the Texans and thought that Albert was the best value on the board and thought he could play multiple positions along the line and fit the system well.

vidae
03-27-2008, 08:58 PM
I really like this kid and would not be surprised to see him starting at each position. He's the kind of guy you can plug in to the guard spot but move him as needed, with injuries hitting your offensive line or whatnot. I think he would be a fantastic tackle at either spot but like the others have said, for now he should stay as a guard.

If the need is great you can move him out to LT but he's a dominant guard as is and would take a year or two to develop into a LT.

bored of education
03-27-2008, 08:59 PM
Putting him at OT wouldnt properly utilize him. Guard is his natural position and could be dominant for years to come.

619
03-27-2008, 09:01 PM
I would go the other way and say tackle is his natural position however he lacks much needed experience there. He can be a dominant tackle but I'm not so sure the same could be said for guard.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 09:11 PM
I was watching NFLN and Charles Davis mentioned something along those lines when talking to Virginia's OL coach. Then again I'd have to watch it again to reaffirm the statement but I'm very sure that's what I heard.

If that's the case, then well, a lot of UVA followers were never aware of that.

When Albert came in, Brick was firmly set at LT, with Butler at RT. My memory is slipping me on who was at C (Barthlemes?) and the other guard, um ... Elton Brown. Albert was more ready to step in, which is why he got the nod ahead of Monroe, but the other reason that was suggested was that they didn't want to place too much on Monroe at that stage, with him having to learn guard and then shift to tackle (part of the reason why some think Lamar Milstead may not be a starter next year, as they'd like to keep him in line to replace Monroe at LT). All the public talk was on Monroe at LT and eventually Albert at RT.

If the clip is on nfl.com, let me know. I'd be curious what was said, considering the current UVA OL coach wasn't the OL coach back then.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 09:14 PM
First - Thanks to all who gave their input.

The reason I asked this question was because I was working on my mock draft and came to pick #18 for the Texans and thought that Albert was the best value on the board and thought he could play multiple positions along the line and fit the system well.

There's been some suggestions that if he's there, the Texans will take him (assuming that Chris Williams is gone, as most do.) Whether or not Albert is there is debatable, though.

The Texans are hard to figure. They've made some DB moves that might be a sign that they won't pursue DB that high in the draft, considering they lack a 2nd rounder. LB isn't really a need at that point. WR isn't really either, and signing the RB's they did would seem to indicate they aren't going that route. Would they really ponder another DL guy? They do need it, though (pass rusher that is). The only other thought would be OL, although when they added Gibbs, many assumed that they would wait on OL. But then again, the value of Gibbs with someone like Albert may be high, as he can teach him the tackle position.

Geo
03-27-2008, 09:18 PM
how do yall think he could do in a ZBS like houston with alex gibbs coming in? you say his run blocking isnt dominant, which it isnt, but he's mobile and athletic and the ZBS should somewhat hide his weaknesses in the run game. he's got the tools to be a good pass blocker with his feet and long arms at 35+ inches.
That is my thought as well, Albert to the Texans. (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=952190&highlight=albert#post952190)

foozball
03-27-2008, 09:28 PM
That is my thought as well, Albert to the Texans. (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=952190&highlight=albert#post952190)

thats what im thinking as well. not only does it makes sense, there really isnt anyone else that they should draft. merling isnt the pass rusher they need. rb is not a 1st round priority. we gave big money to reeves and are signing more guys for our secondary. mckelvin, jenkins, and drc should be gone as well, leaving us with aqib talib who could be a big bust. no other CB is worth 18. albert is a guy who fits the scheme and a position of need and provides the best value at that point IMO.

Scott Wright
03-27-2008, 09:31 PM
I think he can play tackle in the NFL.

I have been saying for a couple weeks now that I would not be at all surprised if Albert snuck into the Top 15-20 overall. He'd be a perfect fit for the Bears and Houston could consider him at #18 if Chris Williams is gone, which I think he will be.

toonsterwu
03-27-2008, 09:40 PM
thats what im thinking as well. not only does it makes sense, there really isnt anyone else that they should draft. merling isnt the pass rusher they need. rb is not a 1st round priority. we gave big money to reeves and are signing more guys for our secondary. mckelvin, jenkins, and drc should be gone as well, leaving us with aqib talib who could be a big bust. no other CB is worth 18. albert is a guy who fits the scheme and a position of need and provides the best value at that point IMO.

The idea that Merling is a weak pass rusher is just an argument I do not buy. Is he a raw pass rusher? Sure. But (when healthy) he has good edge quickness. I actually think Merling makes a lot more sense than you might think. From what I understand, they want to keep Mario as a full-time right end, and Merling would allow them to do that while upgrading the pass rush in base sets (if he starts). In passing situations, Merling slides inside with Okoye, and they perhaps bring a edge specialist in (perhaps Kalu or Chaun Thompson). The Merling/Okoye tandem inside could be quite nasty.

That said, a lot depends on the board. Furthermore, they don't necessarily need a DL guy that can start next year, but rather a guy to boost the pass rusher (as Weaver will still be there, and the chances are iffy he moves inside as the interior would be iffy against the run).

I'm sure they'd love to deal down, as most teams likely would. If not, my current inclinations are that they would look OL first. If a top 5 is not there, then it is wide open. I'm inclined to think DL next on the pecking order, with the step after being DB, with Talib or Jenkins (probably in that order as well). The darkhorse shot would probably be a WR, which I wouldn't rule out just yet, but it is definitely a darkhorse look.

Bradentonian
03-27-2008, 11:21 PM
I think he can play tackle in the NFL.

I have been saying for a couple weeks now that I would not be at all surprised if Albert snuck into the Top 15-20 overall. He'd be a perfect fit for the Bears and Houston could consider him at #18 if Chris Williams is gone, which I think he will be.


I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bucs pick Albert or Williams if either are there at #20

energizerbunny
03-27-2008, 11:51 PM
I don't see how people can view him just as guard, he moves too well in space in my opinion to get branded like that.... in my opinion he would be better suited on the outside and would be able to use his athletiscm better as he wouldn't be blocking 300 lb DTs but rather 270 pound DEs....

from what I've seen he looks like he struggles a bit in line with shorter stockier DTs, however I think with his natural feet he would dominate the smaller Ends in the run game.

I'am not sure he plays well enough in short,closed spaces to say he is a better fit at guard... however with the recent money being thrown around for these interior guys he will be a early (top 25) pick at either position.


This situation reminds me alot of the Steinbach talk years ago and if he could kick out to tackle, however Albert is a much better athlete in space then Eric was.

Abaddon
03-28-2008, 04:00 AM
can but shouldn't. It's the same thing as with Leonard Davis IMO
Still one of the all time worst player comparisons I've ever seen.

eaglesalltheway
03-28-2008, 06:42 AM
I wouldn't expect Williams there at 20...

foozball
03-28-2008, 07:20 AM
what exactly is keeping him from playing OT? he's got prototypical measurements and the footwork, mobility, and athleticism for LT. are people just assuming that he cant play there because he played OG in college?

charles spencer played 1 year at OG and 1 year at LT after switching from the DLine and locked up the starting LT spot in his rookie year, and he was 350lbs. the move is not unprecedented.

ammandss
03-28-2008, 09:54 AM
If that's the case, then well, a lot of UVA followers were never aware of that.

When Albert came in, Brick was firmly set at LT, with Butler at RT. My memory is slipping me on who was at C (Barthlemes?) and the other guard, um ... Elton Brown. Albert was more ready to step in, which is why he got the nod ahead of Monroe, but the other reason that was suggested was that they didn't want to place too much on Monroe at that stage, with him having to learn guard and then shift to tackle (part of the reason why some think Lamar Milstead may not be a starter next year, as they'd like to keep him in line to replace Monroe at LT). All the public talk was on Monroe at LT and eventually Albert at RT.

If the clip is on nfl.com, let me know. I'd be curious what was said, considering the current UVA OL coach wasn't the OL coach back then.

I think Prince coached the line back then and the Center was Zac Yarborough and Barthelmes played mostly guard and some center and spot duty at tackle too. I think Yarborough's father might have played in the NFL for a couple of year (if I remember correctly).

Albert was technically in the same class as Monroe but actually committed to Virginia the prior year, but then went to military school (forgot if it was Hargrave or Fork Union). He then committed to Virginia again the following year with Monroe. So it is possible that they foresaw him as Ferguson's successor (prior to Monroe's arrival) but I have never heard that before. I remember the staff being very, very high on Albert despite his low rankings from Rivals and Scout (either a 2 or 3 star, I forgot). And I remember being excited that he might play basketball too, since he played in high school too and had a 2 or 3 star ranking in baksetball.

ChezPower4
03-28-2008, 10:14 AM
Yes he can play tackle in the NFL and he would most likely have a good long career at LT. I feel though that he should be left at his natural possition at Guard. I think that if he plays LG at the next level that he will be a pro bowl guard.

Addict
03-28-2008, 11:24 AM
Still one of the all time worst player comparisons I've ever seen.

guard who can play tackle but is a much better guard. I don't see your problem.

foozball
03-28-2008, 12:50 PM
guard who can play tackle but is a much better guard. I don't see your problem.

maybe cuz davis sucked at OT?

or theyre completely different players?

or davis weight 55 pounds more than albert?

Abaddon
03-28-2008, 01:58 PM
maybe cuz davis sucked at OT?

or theyre completely different players?

or davis weight 55 pounds more than albert?
Or that Davis wasn't even 1/10 as athletic.

May as well be comparing Jacob Hester to Reggie Bush.


And I don't think it's a fair assessment to say that guard is Albert's natural position. Playing a position in college doesn't make it your natural position.

Seanhawk
03-28-2008, 03:11 PM
guard who can play tackle but is a much better guard. I don't see your problem.

If I remember correctly, didn't Davis play mostly tackle in college and was moved to guard because he couldn't handle the tackle position in the NFL? It would kind of be the opposite for Albert, he'd be playing a position he hasn't played much of, while Davis was just playing a position he played in college.

If I'm right (which I'm probably not), Davis's career path would compare more favorably to Robert Gallery's, but Gallery obviously hasn't even sniffed a Pro Bowl yet.

For what it's worth, I like Albert as a tackle and if (big if) he's there at #25 for the Seahawks I think they'd be a perfect situation for him for making the jump. He could come in and start at RG for a couple of years until Big Walt retires then kick out to LT. It would also kill two needs with one pick for the 'Hawks filling an immediate need at guard and a future need at LT.

energizerbunny
03-28-2008, 03:59 PM
Or that Davis wasn't even 1/10 as athletic.

May as well be comparing Jacob Hester to Reggie Bush.


And I don't think it's a fair assessment to say that guard is Albert's natural position. Playing a position in college doesn't make it your natural position.

your under estimating how athletic Leonard Davis was as a prospect.... he would be a top 3 athlete on the oline this year... thats what made him such a freak of nature he was so big and had such quick feet and body control. As far as being an athlete Leonard was close to the total package