BeerBaron's quick 4 rounder mock

[BeerBaron]

bleh....exhausting. no trades or explanations this time. If you want to know about something, ask me. Constructive criticism is appreciated. Destructive criticism will be laughed at and mocked. a few surprises and probably a few typos too....dont really care right now as this one was bound to be sloppy. i plan to do a better one with explainations and all that closer to the draft

enjoy:

1ST ROUND
1. Miami Dolphins – DE Chris Long, Virginia
2. St. Louis Rams – DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio St.
3. Atlanta Falcons – DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
4. Oakland Raiders – DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
5. Kansas City Chiefs – OT Jake Long, Michigan
6. New York Jets – HB Darren McFadden, Arkansas
7. New England Patriots (from SF) – LB Keith Rivers, USC
8. Baltimore Ravens – CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy
9. Cincinnati Bengals – DE Phillip Merling, Clemson
10. New Orleans Saints – CB Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, TSU
11. Buffalo Bills – WR Limas Sweed, Texas
12. Denver Broncos – OT Ryan Clady, Boise St.
13. Carolina Panthers – OT Jeff Otah, Pitt
14. Chicago Bears – OT Chris Williams, Vandy
15. Detroit Lions – HB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois
16. Arizona Cardinals – CB Mike Jenkins, USF
17. Minnesota Vikings – DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
18. Houston Texans – CB Aqib Talib, Kansas
19. Philadelphia Eagles – S Kenny Phillips, Miami
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – WR Devin Thomas, Mich St.
21. Washington Redskins – WR James Hardy, Indiana
22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cle) – WR Desean Jackson, Cal
23. Pittsburgh Steelers – OG Brandon Albert, Virginia
24. Tennessee Titans – DE Lawrence Jackson, USC
25. Seattle Seahawks – HB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon
26. Jacksonville Jaguars – DT Kentwan Balmer, UNC
27. San Diego Chargers – S Reggie Smith, Oklahoma
28. Dallas Cowboys – HB Chris Johnson, ECU
29. San Francisco 49ers (from Indy) – OLB Quentin Groves, Auburn
30. Green Bay Packers – CB Antoine Cason, Arizona
31. New England Patriots – Out of the 32 teams that regularly cheat, they got too ballsy and got caught. Sucks to be them.
32. New York Giants – DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame

2ND ROUND
33. Miami Dolphins – QB Matt Ryan, BC
34. St. Louis Rams – WR Mario Manningham, Michigan
35. Atlanta Falcons (from Oak) – QB Joe Flacco, Delaware
36. Kansas City Chiefs – CB Patrick Lee, Auburn
37. New York Jets – OLB Cliff Avril, Purdue
38. Atlanta Falcons – OT Gosder Cherilus, BC
39. Baltimore Ravens – OT Sam Baker, USC
40. San Francisco 49ers – WR Early Doucet, LSU
41. New Orleans Saints – LB Erin Henderson, Maryland
42. Buffalo Bills – CB Brandon Flowers, VT
43. Denver Broncos – DT Pat Sims, Auburn
44. Carolina Panthers – S Dajuan Morgan, NC St.
45. Chicago Bears – QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
46. Detroit Lions – LB Jarod Mayo, Tennessee
47. Cincinnati Bengals – LB Dan Conner, PSU
48. Minnesota Vikings – S Thomas Decoud, Cal
49. Atlanta Falcons (from Hou) – LB Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
50. Philadelphia Eagles – OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska
51. Arizona Cardinals – HB Felix Jones, Arkansas
52. Washington Redskins – DE Calais Campbell, Miami
53. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – DT Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
54. Pittsburgh Steelers – WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma
55. Tennessee Titans – DT Red Bryant, Texas A&M
56. Seattle Seahawks – TE John Carlson, Notre Dame
57. Green Bay Packers (from Cle) – TE Dustin Keller, Purdue
58. Miami Dolphins (from SD) – OT Anthony Collins, Kansas
59. Jacksonville Jaguars – DE Chris Ellis, VT
60. Indianapolis Colts – OG Chilo Rachal, USC
61. Green Bay Packers – HB Matt Forte, Tulane
62. Dallas Cowboys – CB Justin King, PSU
63. New England Patriots – CB Tracy Porter, Indiana
64. New York Giants – CB Charles Godfrey, Iowa

3RD ROUND
65. Miami Dolphins – CB Terrell Thomas, USC
66. St. Louis Rams – LB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma
67. Kansas City Chiefs – OG Roy Schuening, Oregon St.
68. Carolina Panthers (from NYJ) – TE Fred Davis, USC
69. Atlanta Falcons – OT/G Oneil Cousins, UTEP
70. New England Patriots (from Oak) –LB Tavares Gooden, Miami
71. Chicago Bears (from SF) – WR Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
72. Buffalo Bills (from Bal) – LB Xavier Adibi, VT
73. Jacksonville Jaguars (from Buf) – S Josh Barrett, Arizona St.
74. Minnesota Vikings (from Den) - DT Ahytba Rubin, Iowa St.
75. Carolina Panthers – QB Chad Henne, Michigan
76. San Francisco 49ers (from Chi) – OG Drew Radovich, USC
77. Detroit Lions – OT Barry Richardson, Clemson
78. Cincinnati Bengals – DT Dre Moore, Maryland
79. New Orleans Saints – DT Demorrio Pressley, NC St.
80. Houston Texans – S Tyrell Johnson, Ark. St
81. Philadelphia Eagles – CB Jack Ikegwuonu, Wisconsin
82. Arizona Cardinals – DE Kendall Langford, Hampton
83. Minnesota Vikings – OT Tony Hills, Texas
84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – QB Josh Johnson, San Diego
85. Washington Redskins – OG Eric Young, Tennessee
86. Tennessee Titans – WR Earl Bennett, Vandy
87. Seattle Seahawks – OG John Greco, Toledo
88. Detroit Lions (from Cle) – DE Jason Jones, East. Michigan
89. Pittsburgh Steelers – CB Tyvon Branch, UConn
90. Jacksonville Jaguars – WR Andre Caldwell, Florida
91. Chicago Bears (from SD) – HB Jamal Charles, Texas
92. Green Bay Packers – OT Duane Brown, VT
93. Dallas Cowboys – S Marcus Griffin, Texas
94. Indianapolis Colts – OLB Geno Hayes, FSU
95. New England Patriots – OLB Shawn Crable, Michigan
96. New York Giants – WR Adarius Bowman, Ok.St.

4TH ROUND
97. Miami Dolphins – WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas St.
98. St. Louis Rams – OT Breno Giacomini, Louisville
99. New York Jets – WR Lavelle Hawkins, Cal
100. Atlanta Falcons – CB Trae Williams, South Fla.
101. Oakland Raiders – WR Donnie Avery, Houston
102. Kansas City Chiefs – OLB Ali Highsmith, LSU
103. Baltimore Ravens – QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky
104. San Francisco 49ers – OT Kirk Barton, Ohio St.
105. Denver Broncos – HB Ray Rice, Rutgers
106. Carolina Panthers – HB Kevin Smith, UCF
107. Chicago Bears – S Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame
108. Detroit Lions – CB Dejuan Tribble, BC
109. Cincinnati Bengals – HB Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
110. NY Jets (From NO) – TE Martin Rucker, Missouri
111. Buffalo Bills – TE Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M
112. Philadelphia Eagles – WR Dexter Jackson, App. St.
113. Arizona Cardinals – C Mike Pollack, Arizona St.
114. Minnesota Vikings – QB Kevin O’Connell, SDSU
115. Houston Texans – DE Tommy Blake, TCU
116. Denver Broncos (from Wash) – WR Harry Douglas, Louisville
117. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Chevis Jackson, LSU
118. Seattle Seahawks – S Caleb Campbell, Army
119. Cleveland Browns – CB Orlando Scandrick, Boise St.
120. Pittsburgh Steelers – DT Frank Okam, Texas
121. Jacksonville Jaguars – QB John David Booty, USC
122. Tennessee Titans – QB/WR(?) Dennis Dixon, Oregon
123. San Diego Chargers – CB Paul Oliver (2007 Sup. Draft)
124. Dallas Cowboys – LB Jonathan Goff, Vandy
125. Indianapolis Colts – HB Mike Hart, Michigan
126. Green Bay Packers – S Craig Steltz, LSU
127. New England Patriots – QB Colt Brennan, Hawaii
128. New York Giants – OG Jeremy Zuttah, Rutgers

[SaintsFanForLife]

I could live with that.....Nice work..

[fed36]

I like the skins second and third round picks - but if we go WR in the first I would prefer Kelly, or even Desean Jackson (and yes I know he is tiny) over Hardy - I am not sold on Hardy even though his height is desirable

[thebow305]

very solid phins mock...I HATE Matt Ryan with the first pick in the 1st round, but I LOVE him with the first pick in the 2nd round. I doubt that happens but it would be VERY nice if it did.

[neko4]

tampa 2 CB in Green Bay's bump n run. Not liking that
I like Kellar
I like Forte, but i dont want us to draft him.
I like Brown and Steltz

[BeerBaron]

I like the skins second and third round picks - but if we go WR in the first I would prefer Kelly, or even Desean Jackson (and yes I know he is tiny) over Hardy - I am not sold on Hardy even though his height is desirable

understandable. i went with with "kelly actually is hurting" scenario and had him slide, and i just didnt like the fit of jackson to the skins. hes sort of a cross in what you already have with santana and randel el i felt, plus his return skills arent needed as badly there as cartwright was resigned i believe to handle KR and randel el is still one of the best at PR.

i dont think you can do wrong with hardy. at the very worst you get just a huge red zone target

[BeerBaron]

very solid phins mock...I HATE Matt Ryan with the first pick in the 1st round, but I LOVE him with the first pick in the 2nd round. I doubt that happens but it would be VERY nice if it did.

ive never been a fan of ryan so i pulled the whole QB slide thing of recent years with him, glad you liked it

[neko4]

I dont get why hardy isnt the number 1 or 2 on people's boards.
Especially with how well he played this year and his fairly good combine. I really see only one or 2 main weaknesses with him

[BeerBaron]

tampa 2 CB in Green Bay's bump n run. Not liking that
I like Kellar
I like Forte, but i dont want us to draft him.
I like Brown and Steltz

understandable with cason. i see some sect of packer fans that would love him and i guess your part of another sect that doesnt. cant really please everybody but im glad you liked the rest of it.

question though, why dont you see forte being drafted? i can understand if you don't think hell be around at a certain pick but im almost sure i recall reading that mccarthy wasn't happy with going into the season with who he has behind grant

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Give Oakland Pollack in the 4th.

[RaiderFan]

Give the Raiders McFaddden in the first and Rubin,Marcus Harrison or Blake in the 4th

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Give the Raiders McFaddden in the first and Rubin,Marcus Harrison or Blake in the 4th
Harrison and Rubin were already drafted.

[BeerBaron]

Give the Raiders McFaddden in the first and Rubin,Marcus Harrison or Blake in the 4th

mcfadden i can buy although ive heard just as many raiders fans complain about that as being a luxury than a need. but the other is hard because rubin and harrison are gone by then....

Give Oakland Pollack in the 4th.

that would be easier to give them. tell me, what do you see in pollack?

[neko4]

understandable with cason. i see some sect of packer fans that would love him and i guess your part of another sect that doesnt. cant really please everybody but im glad you liked the rest of it.

question though, why dont you see forte being drafted? i can understand if you don't think hell be around at a certain pick but im almost sure i recall reading that mccarthy wasn't happy with going into the season with who he has behind grant
I like Cason from a talent standpoint. Ive always liked. Just dont know if he's a good fit. Kind of the same thing with Forte. Jackson and Wynn deserve their chance to prove they can be good backups. Both flashed talent and potential. I definitly think Forte is one of the most underated prospects in the draft

[RaiderFan]

mcfadden i can buy although ive heard just as many raiders fans complain about that as being a luxury than a need. but the other is hard because rubin and harrison are gone by then....



that would be easier to give them. tell me, what do you see in pollack?

your Right
Tommy Blake or Pollack in the 4th

We don't have a Center

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

mcfadden i can buy although ive heard just as many raiders fans complain about that as being a luxury than a need. but the other is hard because rubin and harrison are gone by then....



that would be easier to give them. tell me, what do you see in pollack?Pollack's a pretty good fit for the ZBS and Oakland does need a C in a bad way.Newberry's good but old and injury prone.After him we have nobody.Avery could be the pick but we did bring in Walker and Carter.We have Curry,Higgins and Dwight to.Madsen can also play WR.C just seems a bigger need.

[BeerBaron]

your Right
Tommy Blake or Pollack in the 4th

blake....blake...ill try to remember that. he seems to be a guy just about everyone ive seen would love to have after about the 3rd round. can't say i blame them, hes got tremendous talent, his head just needs to be in it constantly

[BeerBaron]

Pollack's a pretty good fit for the ZBS and Oakland does need a C in a bad way.Newberry's good but old and injury prone.After him we have nobody.Avery could be the pick but we did bring in Walker and Carter.We have Curry,Higgins and Dwight to.Madsen can also play WR.C just seems a bigger need.

i see. youll have to excuse me for asking as i dont follow the raiders all that mcuh but what ever happened to jake grove? wasnt he a fairly high pick, like 2nd round or so? i thought he could be a decent center for years...is he still around?

[RaiderFan]

i see. youll have to excuse me for asking as i dont follow the raiders all that mcuh but what ever happened to jake grove? wasnt he a fairly high pick, like 2nd round or so? i thought he could be a decent center for years...is he still around?

Always injured

[BeerBaron]

Always injured

lol, i see. that would do in a promising player. thanks, have some of your first rep for some nice, constructive criticism

[rockio42]

great 1st, love gholston
bad 2nd, hate manningham and would rather have Cherilus or Baker
bad 3rd, give em Earl Bennet on that one to address WR
and then in the 4th give them Trae Williams or Jonathan Goff

[BeerBaron]

great 1st, love gholston
bad 2nd, hate manningham and would rather have Cherilus or Baker
bad 3rd, give em Earl Bennet on that one to address WR
and then in the 4th give them Trae Williams or Jonathan Goff

good to hear you like the first.
as for 2, unless you know your OTs are going to be hurt again, i just dont buy the argument for taking ones this high. idk if either of the ones you mentioned can jump inside to G or not, but a high 2nd still seems too high to me for a guy guranteed to ride the bench barring injury.
as for 3, everyone seems to want earl bennett once the 3rd starts, lol. popular guy here.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

i see. youll have to excuse me for asking as i dont follow the raiders all that mcuh but what ever happened to jake grove? wasnt he a fairly high pick, like 2nd round or so? i thought he could be a decent center for years...is he still around?
he is but he has been struggling with injuries and just doesnt seem to be a starter.Good depth guy but not a good starter.

[vidae]

Round 1: Jake Long - Absolutely love this pick. I love any mock that has him falling to us at 5.

Round 2: Patrick Lee - Good pick, we need corner depth badly, but I think I'd prefer Chilo Rachal there. He ALMOST falls to round 3. You couldn't have given him to us there?! ;)

Round 3: Roy Schuening - Great pick, I love this kid and think he could be an instant starter on our line.

Round 4: Ali Highsmith - I'm meh on this pick. He is a lot better than people think but I'm not a huge fan of his. We do need LB depth because Donnie is getting up there, so I'll give you this one.

Overall I'm happy with this Chiefs draft. I think you did a great job hitting our needs.

[rockio42]

good to hear you like the first.
as for 2, unless you know your OTs are going to be hurt again, i just dont buy the argument for taking ones this high. idk if either of the ones you mentioned can jump inside to G or not, but a high 2nd still seems too high to me for a guy guranteed to ride the bench barring injury.
as for 3, everyone seems to want earl bennett once the 3rd starts, lol. popular guy here.

The only reason i say OT there is because i HATE manningham, esp at the top of the 2nd and kelly is hurt so basically that is need/bpa, but basically i want one of the top 4/5 WRs (not mario) at the top of the second but you mock didnt pan out so well there

[Ozzfan1317]

I love the bears draft this is my dream scenario except at RB i would rather have Forte or Choice..thats my only change

[BeerBaron]

Round 1: Jake Long - Absolutely love this pick. I love any mock that has him falling to us at 5.

Round 2: Patrick Lee - Good pick, we need corner depth badly, but I think I'd prefer Chilo Rachal there. He ALMOST falls to round 3. You couldn't have given him to us there?! ;)

Round 3: Roy Schuening - Great pick, I love this kid and think he could be an instant starter on our line.

Round 4: Ali Highsmith - I'm meh on this pick. He is a lot better than people think but I'm not a huge fan of his. We do need LB depth because Donnie is getting up there, so I'll give you this one.

Overall I'm happy with this Chiefs draft. I think you did a great job hitting our needs.

awesome, glad to hear you like it. i wanted to keep trying to squeeze a WR in there somewhere but every time they came up, it seemed like id be reaching or a better player that fills maybe a lesser need would pop up, like with highsmith.

[BeerBaron]

The only reason i say OT there is because i HATE manningham, esp at the top of the 2nd and kelly is hurt so basically that is need/bpa, but basically i want one of the top 4/5 WRs (not mario) at the top of the second but you mock didnt pan out so well there

understandable. im not all that much of a fan of manningham either but i dont think i can name any rams WRs behind holt and bennett and i think manningham sort of goes along well with the type of receivers the rams have had success with in the past. ill keep your thoughts in mind for next time though

[BeerBaron]

I love the bears draft this is my dream scenario except at RB i would rather have Forte or Choice..thats my only change

well, forte was gone already or i would have went with him too. but id like to hear why you prefer choice. im curious

[rockio42]

understandable. im not all that much of a fan of manningham either but i dont think i can name any rams WRs behind holt and bennett and i think manningham sort of goes along well with the type of receivers the rams have had success with in the past. ill keep your thoughts in mind for next time though

hahaha, i can name the startin lineups of every team in the league, and i cant even name the WR depth of my favorite team

so its not surprising

[BeerBaron]

hahaha, i can name the startin lineups of every team in the league, and i cant even name the WR depth of my favorite team

so its not surprising

lol, youve got me beat there. usually right after madden comes out i can nail down starters for a little while but as of now, i have no idea.

i did thing of dante hall though. the rams still have him right? not that he was ever much as a receiver though...

[Turtlepower]

The Giants:

1. I love the pick due to a lack of value for anyone else on the board. I still think that someone will take Matt Ryan if he falls that far, but I guess you weren't doing any trades.

2. I'm not a Godfrey fan, but if Curtis Lofton is available I take him just because I see him as the #2 LB on the board for me behind Rivers.

3. Bowman is too much bust material for me, but I wouldn't hate the pick. If we went with Lofton in the second, I'd like Trae Williams here.

4. scottyboy will bust a nut.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Goff to Dallas is the only thing I didnt like with my boys. My reasoning is that they have too much money in linebackers, and I would say that is the most stable position on the team...

However, that was a lot of work. I will show +++++rep for that, alone. Most people just bash the mocks, but dont take the time to do one. I cant imagine how much work that is. Mad Props.

[fenikz]

now thats a perfect cardinal draft if i have ever seen one

[Sveen]

Covers the three biggest needs for the Saints. So good job.

[Abaddon]

Give Oakland Zuttah in the 4th and that'd be a nice draft. Forget Pollack. Zuttah could play center, or RG/RT for that matter. Zuttah's got the muscle to man up on a guy like Jamal Williams, and that's a quality you like your centers to have.

Also, just say no to McFadden for Oakland. Regardless of what people think, he is not Adrian Peterson.

[Yatta!]

Nice Packers draft. No real complaints about that.

[Thunder&Lightning]

sweet chargers pick.

[foozball]

bleh...talib? cmon...and then johnson in the 3rd? and blake in the 4th? seriously...cmon

i can understand youre upgrading the secondary, but we're taking care of that through FA. already signed demps as our FS and tendered CC Brown as a 2nd rounder. we'll go either CB in the 1st and OT in the 3rd, or OT in the 1st and CB in the 3rd.

[eaglesalltheway]

Might be my favorite Eagles mock yet. Phillips and Nicks makes that first two rounds amazing!!! I think if Malcolm Kelly was available for our second round pick, he would be the pick though. I like CB in the third, as that is the area where I think we will look at the position, maybe a little later, but if we to go S/WR in round 1-2, Tony Hills would be a great pick there instead. In the fourth, this is where I think the Eagles start looking into depth on the defense, though I like that you gave us a return man in Jackson here.

[T-RICH49]

give KC Chevis Jackson in RD 4 and Chilo Rachal in RD 2 and it's perfect

[619]

meh give us Long or McFadden.

[BeerBaron]

The Giants:

1. I love the pick due to a lack of value for anyone else on the board. I still think that someone will take Matt Ryan if he falls that far, but I guess you weren't doing any trades.

2. I'm not a Godfrey fan, but if Curtis Lofton is available I take him just because I see him as the #2 LB on the board for me behind Rivers.

3. Bowman is too much bust material for me, but I wouldn't hate the pick. If we went with Lofton in the second, I'd like Trae Williams here.

4. scottyboy will bust a nut.

interesting. i was thinking about LB in 2 but i know secondary help just has to be a bigger need. thanks for the advice though, i will keep it in mind for the future

[Rjspartan]

great panthers draft

no way Matt Ryan is not picked in round one

[BeerBaron]

Goff to Dallas is the only thing I didnt like with my boys. My reasoning is that they have too much money in linebackers, and I would say that is the most stable position on the team...

However, that was a lot of work. I will show +++++rep for that, alone. Most people just bash the mocks, but dont take the time to do one. I cant imagine how much work that is. Mad Props.

thank you. i just figured goff was enough value there to bring on as at least some depth.

now thats a perfect cardinal draft if i have ever seen one

thank you, i felt that their picks came up just when a player who fit their needs was at its most valueable. maybe one of the easier teams i did

Nice Packers draft. No real complaints about that.

thanks, always good to hear

sweet chargers pick.

thanks. i was gonna be like "what did you think of the rest?" but then i rememebered they only have the one pick....if i do trades in the future they might be one team i really try and find a trade down for as they may look to do that in reality to pick up extra picks

[BeerBaron]

great panthers draft

no way Matt Ryan is not picked in round one

thanks and yeah, i dont see ryan not being picked either but hey, theres always a surprise or two in the first round, theres a chance that hes it sliding down. If i were doing trades and i let that happen again, I would def. have someone trade up with maybe the chargers or packers to snag him before he hits round 2.

[LonghornsLegend]

Not a bad Dallas mock, although I dont think we need any more lb's at all anywhere on the roster, were stacked and Carp and Burnett already can barely play, there would be no room for Goff and a wasted pick....Griffin is an excellent pick and great value, cant complain about all offense in the 1st(if we get Pacman im fine with corner later) but I dont like King...He's all speed and doesnt seem like the best fit for Wade's scheme, I think he would rather take someone more physical like Godfrey or Molden around that time...Overall pretty solid Dallas mock not too bad.

[XxXdragonXxX]

Great pick with Stewart. I like Carlson but I'd rather have Bennett...

If the draft fell like this, I would take 1. Stewart, 2. Schuenning, 3. Bennett 4. Campbell.

[BeerBaron]

Not a bad Dallas mock, although I dont think we need any more lb's at all anywhere on the roster, were stacked and Carp and Burnett already can barely play, there would be no room for Goff and a wasted pick....Griffin is an excellent pick and great value, cant complain about all offense in the 1st(if we get Pacman im fine with corner later) but I dont like King...He's all speed and doesnt seem like the best fit for Wade's scheme, I think he would rather take someone more physical like Godfrey or Molden around that time...Overall pretty solid Dallas mock not too bad.

i see. like i said once before, i felt goff has some nice value where he was at as at least great depth, but if the depth is already good then idk.....ill try to remember that in the future. as for king, i thought he could be a good athletic DB to develop behind the guys you do have temporarily. The kids god mad skills and thats not even my PSU homerism talking, he just needs to good coaching for a little while in order to make him a more consistent player. ill keep your comments in mind

[Turtlepower]

interesting. i was thinking about LB in 2 but i know secondary help just has to be a bigger need. thanks for the advice though, i will keep it in mind for the future

Believe me, I could rant all day about how our secondary help is a bigger need, but I just find that Lofton is such a good talent that I wouldn't want to pass up on him.

[BeerBaron]

Great pick with Stewart. I like Carlson but I'd rather have Bennett...

If the draft fell like this, I would take 1. Stewart, 2. Schuenning, 3. Bennett 4. Campbell.

sounds like i was in the ball park in terms of positions of need at least. I'll keep it in mind, thanks for the comments

[BeerBaron]

Believe me, I could rant all day about how our secondary help is a bigger need, but I just find that Lofton is such a good talent that I wouldn't want to pass up on him.

alright, so lets say it falls that way and they go laws and lofton. what DBs that i have available would you suggest in rounds 3 and 4?

[Turtlepower]

alright, so lets say it falls that way and they go laws and lofton. what DBs that i have available would you suggest in rounds 3 and 4?

I would say Trae Williams in the 3rd and one of my sleeper prospects, Jamar Adams in the 4th.

[cdub11]

cowboys picks look good! although if they did take LB in 4th and Beau Bell is still on the board I would prefer him

[BeerBaron]

I would say Trae Williams in the 3rd and one of my sleeper prospects, Jamar Adams in the 4th.

i see, well i will keep that in mind. thanks for the input

cowboys picks look good! although if they did take LB in 4th and Beau Bell is still on the board I would prefer him

thanks for the input, good comments

[JCutlery]

Nice job with Denver's draft.

[BeerBaron]

Nice job with Denver's draft.

thanks. they seem to be one of the trickier teams usually and what they do in round 1 can really muck things up for the rest of the draft...i thought i handled it pretty well

[scar988]

Atlanta gets Brohm over Flacco in the 2nd./

[BeerBaron]

Atlanta gets Brohm over Flacco in the 2nd./

ok, why do you say that?

[scar988]

cause Brohm is Atlanta's top rated QB.

[BeerBaron]

cause Brohm is Atlanta's top rated QB.

alright....ill just take your word on it though i personally feel that flacco has the much higher ceiling while brohm simply has the higher floor. i suppose its down to personal preference and i just felt that flacco had the better chance of being a true franchise signal caller that atlanta needs

[indyfan1985]

Pretty good draft for the Colts. LOVE the 2nd round pick of Chilo Rachal. The only thing I would change is that I would prefer them to take DL help early too so I would hope if DT Dre Moore or DE Jason Jones fell that far they might be willing to trade up a little to get him. Geno Hayes is a good player, but DL is a bigger need than LB.

[BeerBaron]

Pretty good draft for the Colts. LOVE the 2nd round pick of Chilo Rachal. The only thing I would change is that I would prefer them to take DL help early too so I would hope if DT Dre Moore or DE Jason Jones fell that far they might be willing to trade up a little to get him. Geno Hayes is a good player, but DL is a bigger need than LB.

hmm i see. didnt realize DT was much of a need but i'll buy it and DE, i can see it. thanks for the comments

[proshoota25]

to refer to what it was earlier.... i think dante hall got cut at some point in the offseason... not completely sure thoo

but

pretty awesome patriots draft. nice job

[T-RICH49]

only thing I'd say about KC's draft is I'd rather take Dex Jackson in the 4th.He would add a major threat in terms of kick returns

[KCJ58]

great Rams draft but Mike Pollack would be good in the 4th

[BeerBaron]

to refer to what it was earlier.... i think dante hall got cut at some point in the offseason... not completely sure thoo

but

pretty awesome patriots draft. nice job

didnt know about hall, thanks though. that would mean the rams really do need some WR help, as if they didnt before, lol.

glad to hear from a pats fan. theyre a team thats hard to predict, but i gave em a slew of linebackers, a CB and a backup QB. i think the pats might run the closest thing to what brennan ran in college and they are the place hes most likely to succeed. probably provide a more solid backup than cassel at the very least.

only thing I'd say about KC's draft is I'd rather take Dex Jackson in the 4th.He would add a major threat in terms of kick returns

thanks, ill try and remember that for next time. does jackson have some particular worth to you or do you just feel the need for a general return man WR?

great Rams draft but Mike Pollack would be good in the 4th

thanks though pollack seems to be a pretty popular guy once you get that late, several people have wanted him it seems, maybe ill have to bump him up a little earlier next time...hmm

keep the comments coming people, id like to know what the fans of as many teams think as i can

[proshoota25]

i agree with you on the colt brennan idea..... i think it could be really interesting.... and now that you really think of it he would be a real good fit and could develop into someone better than cassel (which is a necessity) lol

[BeerBaron]

i agree with you on the colt brennan idea..... i think it could be really interesting.... and now that you really think of it he would be a real good fit and could develop into someone better than cassel (which is a necessity) lol

indeed, i wouldnt want to see what happens to their offense if tom brady goes down. im not sure how much faith people have in cassel but i think at best he could be a game manager taht keeps the pats competative at least...brennan on the other hand, if given a year to develop, could probably run the offense a little more effectively if something were to happen to brady as i liken that wide open passing game to what he did at hawaii.

[T-RICH49]

thanks, ill try and remember that for next time. does jackson have some particular worth to you or do you just feel the need for a general return man WR?


I think he'd not only be a great return man but could do a nice job replacing Samie Parker who is not going to be back as the slot

[BeerBaron]

I think he'd not only be a great return man but could do a nice job replacing Samie Parker who is not going to be back as the slot

i see, interesting. further question, who else does KC have at WR besides bowe right now?

[T-RICH49]

i see, interesting. further question, who else does KC have at WR besides bowe right now?


Jeff Webb, Devard Darling...and I think that's it

[BeerBaron]

Jeff Webb, Devard Darling...and I think that's it

oh wow. so they could probably even use a #2 headed on then? i didnt know they were that thin there...i was thinking about it talking about jackson and couldnt think of anyone else besides bowe if parkers gone and kennison was cut

[Crazy_Chris]

Derrick Harvey is a great pick for the Vikings in the 1st round. However Decoud isn't worth a mid 2nd round pick. Carl Nicks or even Calais Campbell are both better choices for the Vikes in the 2nd.

[BeerBaron]

Derrick Harvey is a great pick for the Vikings in the 1st round. However Decoud isn't worth a mid 2nd round pick. Carl Nicks or even Calais Campbell are both better choices for the Vikes in the 2nd.

glad you liked harvey but i didnt even think about nicks as filling a need there...didnt cross my mind, ill try to remember that for next time

[roidrunner]

i just dont like the forte pick. we will wait later in the draft to take a RB. but otherwise i like the picks

[BeerBaron]

i just dont like the forte pick. we will wait later in the draft to take a RB. but otherwise i like the picks

understandable, glad you liked it for the most part. i went with forte as a bigger back to compliment grant and also because i recall ready that mccarthy wasnt real thrilled with going into next season with the exact same crew as last season.

who would you like in fortes spot out of whos left available then? i always find the packers a hard team to pick rounds 2 and after for....

[Cashmoney]

Even though I want the Titans to draft Dennis Dixon the 4th round is a huge reach for him. Otherwise the Titans draft is solid.

[roidrunner]

CB, OT, TE, S, QB, RB. those are our needs in order

[BeerBaron]

Even though I want the Titans to draft Dennis Dixon the 4th round is a huge reach for him. Otherwise the Titans draft is solid.

lol i thought it might be, but i went with it anyway. i mean, hes a similar enough QB to VY that they wouldnt have to drastically change their game plan if he were to have to play QB....i also threw inthe possibility of a change to WR. they had success with a converted QB before with drew bennett. anyways, it was just a thought, glad you liked the rest

[T-RICH49]

oh wow. so they could probably even use a #2 headed on then? i didnt know they were that thin there...i was thinking about it talking about jackson and couldnt think of anyone else besides bowe if parkers gone and kennison was cut

yeah we might be taking more then 1 WR in this draft

[BeerBaron]

yeah we might be taking more then 1 WR in this draft

lol, maybe your FO should just divide the picks in half and keep switching between taking receivers and o-lineman

[T-RICH49]

lol, maybe your FO should just divide the picks in half and keep switching between taking receivers and o-lineman


We also need CB's given Law was cut and Surtain is older.I wonder how we'll divide our picks between WR, OL and CB :)

[BeerBaron]

We also need CB's given Law was cut and Surtain is older.I wonder how we'll divide our picks between WR, OL and CB :)

well its always good to have clear needs at least....i think. maybe not good, but good for going into the draft, lol.

[SpottedCow]

Very Good Steelers draft. I can hope the draft ends up that way but doubt that Kelly would fall that far in round two.

[BeerBaron]

Very Good Steelers draft. I can hope the draft ends up that way but doubt that Kelly would fall that far in round two.

thanks, and yeah kelly falling that far seems unlikely but i went with it as if his injury really is as bad as advertised

[BaLLiN]

Giants 2nd and 4th round picks are good, the 1st and 3rd make me vomit

[BeerBaron]

Giants 2nd and 4th round picks are good, the 1st and 3rd make me vomit

oh man, i talked at length with one giants fan or another (forget exactly who) but he said hed prefer the laws pick if some of the DBs were gone. keep the pass rushing D-line solid for years and hey, its not dan connor.

and that late, i felt like bowman was worth the risk. plus its not like you need him to contribute right away so he can heal up and get adjusted.

[Turtlepower]

oh man, i talked at length with one giants fan or another (forget exactly who) but he said hed prefer the laws pick if some of the DBs were gone. keep the pass rushing D-line solid for years and hey, its not dan connor.

and that late, i felt like bowman was worth the risk. plus its not like you need him to contribute right away so he can heal up and get adjusted.

So I'll tell you that I am in the minority of Giants fans who believe that Laws fits great for us. Many people believe that Jay Alford is already ready to fill in as a DT for us, but I have a lot of reservations about him compared to many Giant fans.

Also, let us Giants fans not forget that we took Kiwi when we had two pro-bowl DEs on our roster.

[BeerBaron]

So I'll tell you that I am in the minority of Giants fans who believe that Laws fits great for us. Many people believe that Jay Alford is already ready to fill in as a DT for us, but I have a lot of reservations about him compared to many Giant fans.

Also, let us Giants fans not forget that we took Kiwi when we had two pro-bowl DEs on our roster.

plus, if the worthwhile DBs are gone, i have no idea who else to give em, lol. i know its certainly not dan connor

[JagHombre22]

Give the Jags Laws in the first round and....we'll call it good...

Andre Caldwell won't last until the end of round three though...but I'd say you've hit it on the head!

[BeerBaron]

Give the Jags Laws in the first round and....we'll call it good...

Andre Caldwell won't last until the end of round three though...but I'd say you've hit it on the head!

oh wow, i thought that would be a good deal too early for laws. but ill keep that in mind.....

and yeah, caldwell sort of became one of those "oh crap, how did i forget him!" kind of guys when i realized he was still there. i thought he made a good pick still though

[Bearsfan123]

1st Chris Williams- You know I like.
2nd Brian Brohm- Thank you jeebus.
3rd Jerome Simpson WR- Im going to look up his scouting report but we need a WR badly.
3rd- Jamaal Charles RB- not my ideal but a need nonetheless.
4th Tom Zbikowski S- Good job.

So great bears draft, Id be jumping for joy if they actually draft this well. Id also like to congratulate you on making a majority of fans happy, Im really surprised.

[BeerBaron]

1st Chris Williams- You know I like.
2nd Brian Brohm- Thank you jeebus.
3rd Jerome Simpson WR- Im going to look up his scouting report but we need a WR badly.
3rd- Jamaal Charles RB- not my ideal but a need nonetheless.
4th Tom Zbikowski S- Good job.

So great bears draft, Id be jumping for joy if they actually draft this well. Id also like to congratulate you on making a majority of fans happy, Im really surprised.

hey thanks. you knew that i of all people wouldnt make a bad bears mock right? lol...

and im glad most people are liking it....even im a little surprised by that. its by no means perfect but hell, i dont think theres been many REAL drafts that go that well

[G-Men88]

I'm a little confused by The Giants pick, and this is coming from a Notre Dame fan as well. I feel that if we're going to reach it would be for a position of need. Dajuan Morgan would be a better pick in that situation.

[BlindSite]

Solid panthers mock.

[Hines]

I love this mock. I think Okam can develop into a great pro. He could follow in the footsteps of another former 'Horn nose tackle. Nice work on the Steelers.

[triggernome]

Man, that must have been a lot of work.

Decent draft for the Texans I suppose. I still question Talib's ability to play man, but you can't really tell right now. Tyrell Johnson is cool in the third, but considering the glut of safeties on the Texans' roster, as well as guys like Tony Hills, Jamaal Charles, and Ray Rice still on the board, you could've gone in a different direction there. If you think Blake is worth a 4th, then cool. If he can deal with his problems he may end up being the pick of the draft.

[downthealley]

Great Pats draft...and props to you for not giving the pats a random man corner.

[pellepelle_10]

14. Chicago Bears – OT Chris Williams, Vandy
45. Chicago Bears – QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
71. Chicago Bears (from SF) – WR Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
91. Chicago Bears (from SD) – HB Jamal Charles, Texas
107. Chicago Bears – S Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame


I have to say that this is a job well done BeerBaron

Knowing I'm a RB in the 1st rnd fanboy I wouldn't be too upset with the top picks you've mentioned.

I think if RB wasn't the 1st selection I'd be all over your 1st, and 2nd picks most definatelly.

My question comes in the 3rd rnd with Simpson. With guys like Earl Bennett, Andre Caldwell, Lavelle Hawkins, and Donnie Avery on board this would be a compete shock to pass up any of these guys for him. Especially Bennett, and Caldwell. Getting Charles in the late 3rd would be a heck of a pick as I would honestly prefer Kevin Smith than him but again great pick. Lastly Zbikowski would a some good help to a hurting Safety core. If there would be an ideal draft with Tackle the first pick I'd say swap Simpson for Caldwell or Bennett and this would be one hell of a draft. *thumbs up*

[kalbears13]

The 1st-3rd round picks for the Browns were HORRIBLE!...oh wait a second, we dont have picks in the 1st-3rd rounds.

4th round pick is good.

[BeerBaron]

I'm a little confused by The Giants pick, and this is coming from a Notre Dame fan as well. I feel that if we're going to reach it would be for a position of need. Dajuan Morgan would be a better pick in that situation.

well i think you can thank turtlepower because i think it was him who i was talking to in another thread like a week or so ago giving me that idea. i asked him who he would want if the DB value wasnt there and laws popped up. I must say, it would go along with keeping your d-line one of the best in football. but for a little side perspective, who would you suggest if the DBs arent there?

Solid panthers mock.

thanks. theyre a team thats a little harder since their needs arent super evident but i thought i handled it well. good to know.

I love this mock. I think Okam can develop into a great pro. He could follow in the footsteps of another former 'Horn nose tackle. Nice work on the Steelers.

thanks. the steelers are probably the team i get to see most during the season because i live and go to school not too far from pittsburgh so i see a lot of them. And your reasoning is just with the okam pick, he can learn behind hampton for a while and provide quality depth.

Man, that must have been a lot of work.

Decent draft for the Texans I suppose. I still question Talib's ability to play man, but you can't really tell right now. Tyrell Johnson is cool in the third, but considering the glut of safeties on the Texans' roster, as well as guys like Tony Hills, Jamaal Charles, and Ray Rice still on the board, you could've gone in a different direction there. If you think Blake is worth a 4th, then cool. If he can deal with his problems he may end up being the pick of the draft.

thanks for the input. I can't say i know all that much about the texans but i think talib could be a solid pick for them. Who else would you suggest for them?

also, i see people point to all of the safeties they have brought back as solving the problem there but....if i recall.....most of those guys werent actually that great....so i went with johnson as i think he could be a great player and would go much higher if he played in a better conference.

And yeah, i thought blake was worth it at that point. The texans appear to have a great young D-line developing and if he keeps his head in the game and plays up to potential, the texans could be the next giants in terms of d-line ability.

Great Pats draft...and props to you for not giving the pats a random man corner.

thanks, i know better than to do that, lol. I think porter is a guy who reminds me a lot of the corners you've had success with before and his value in the late 2nd is tremendous. I also kept finding a linebacker with great value every time the pats came up and thought, hey, why not. Rivers can learn behind bruschi and seau in the middle while crable can learn behind vrabel and thomas outside.....and gooden can probably do either with his ability. I also thought the brennan pick would find some scrutiny but the pats fans so far have seemed to like it.

[BeerBaron]

14. Chicago Bears – OT Chris Williams, Vandy
45. Chicago Bears – QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
71. Chicago Bears (from SF) – WR Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
91. Chicago Bears (from SD) – HB Jamal Charles, Texas
107. Chicago Bears – S Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame


I have to say that this is a job well done BeerBaron

Knowing I'm a RB in the 1st rnd fanboy I wouldn't be too upset with the top picks you've mentioned.

I think if RB wasn't the 1st selection I'd be all over your 1st, and 2nd picks most definatelly.

My question comes in the 3rd rnd with Simpson. With guys like Earl Bennett, Andre Caldwell, Lavelle Hawkins, and Donnie Avery on board this would be a compete shock to pass up any of these guys for him. Especially Bennett, and Caldwell. Getting Charles in the late 3rd would be a heck of a pick as I would honestly prefer Kevin Smith than him but again great pick. Lastly Zbikowski would a some good help to a hurting Safety core. If there would be an ideal draft with Tackle the first pick I'd say swap Simpson for Caldwell or Bennett and this would be one hell of a draft. *thumbs up*

thanks, always nice to hear good things from fellow bears fans.

Now, i just dont foresee the bears going RB in round 1 short of all the tackles being gone.....sorry to burst your bubble.

now as for simpson, i really like him. really like him. he's shown some studly athleticism in his workouts with good speed, big hands, and a 41 inch vertical i believe. (that one at his pro day) Out of those guys you mentioned, earl bennett is the only one i would consider over simpson. but give him a chance, read up on him, look at his numbers, look at his highlights...i like him and think he has a good chance to be a long term stud WR.

[BeerBaron]

The 1st-3rd round picks for the Browns were HORRIBLE!...oh wait a second, we dont have picks in the 1st-3rd rounds.

4th round pick is good.

lol hey, i gave a browns fan a reason to look at a mock draft! alright!

you know i happened into an article that talked about how much the browns seemed to like scandrick and may have been considering him even back when they had a 2nd rounder. if that article wasnt a smokescreen, then getting him in the 4th should feel like a steal to them

[bearsfan_51]

That's a good mock overall, though I think you skewed it a bit to get the Bears players you want. Namely, I don't see how the Panthers draft Otah over Williams. They strictly need a LT, and Williams is a better fit for their blocking scheme anyway.

[BeerBaron]

That's a good mock overall, though I think you skewed it a bit to get the Bears players you want. Namely, I don't see how the Panthers draft Otah over Williams. They strictly need a LT, and Williams is a better fit for their blocking scheme anyway.

thanks and yeah, i realized i have a tendancy to do that.....even switching otah and williams would still make it a pretty good bears draft i feel.

actually, looking at it again, that might be the only spot where i really felt like i did that. maybe brohm in 2 but i know ive seen lots of complaints from ravens fans before about taking him even that late....and simpson might be a slight reach there even.

but thanks for the insight nonetheless

[G-Men88]

well i think you can thank turtlepower because i think it was him who i was talking to in another thread like a week or so ago giving me that idea. i asked him who he would want if the DB value wasnt there and laws popped up. I must say, it would go along with keeping your d-line one of the best in football. but for a little side perspective, who would you suggest if the DBs arent there?


I think there will be a DB there that the Giants want. My big board looks something like this;

1. Kenny Phillips
2. Reggie Smith
3. Antoine Cason
4. Dajuan Morgan
5. Tracy Porter

I'd be fine with any of those picks in the first round.

[BeerBaron]

I think there will be a DB there that the Giants want. My big board looks something like this;

1. Kenny Phillips
2. Reggie Smith
3. Antoine Cason
4. Dajuan Morgan
5. Tracy Porter

I'd be fine with any of those picks in the first round.

morgan? really....hes the only surprise is ee there. and with phillips, smith and cason all already gone in my mock, i have a quarrel with going porter that high.

but alright, ill take it into consideration next time

[Matthew Jones]

Godfrey over Porter in the second and it's actually a really solid Patriots mock. Matt Ryan is not falling past #8 though.

[G-Men88]

morgan? really....hes the only surprise is ee there. and with phillips, smith and cason all already gone in my mock, i have a quarrel with going porter that high.

but alright, ill take it into consideration next time

Morgan wouldn't be that much of a reach at 31. He's pegged as a high second round pick and if Reese likes him he'll take him at 31 if others aren't available. And I have no idea why Tracy Porter is rated as a low 2nd round pick. He played well during the senior bowl practices and the game. He followed that up by running a 4.37 40 at the combine and being a top performer in both shuttle drills. He also had a great pro day to follow up both these performances. He is a true playmaker at corner and in my opinion he would be well worth the 31st overall pick.

[kalbears13]

lol hey, i gave a browns fan a reason to look at a mock draft! alright!

you know i happened into an article that talked about how much the browns seemed to like scandrick and may have been considering him even back when they had a 2nd rounder. if that article wasnt a smokescreen, then getting him in the 4th should feel like a steal to them

Well I dont usually look at mocks and if I do it has to be at least a 4 round mock for obvious reasons.

[BeerBaron]

Godfrey over Porter in the second and it's actually a really solid Patriots mock. Matt Ryan is not falling past #8 though.

god i hope your right because that would mean the bears would get him at 14....yuck.....but for the sake of this mock, i let my low rating of him play in.

and to gmen: ill remember all of that for next time

[triggernome]

thanks for the input. I can't say i know all that much about the texans but i think talib could be a solid pick for them. Who else would you suggest for them?

also, i see people point to all of the safeties they have brought back as solving the problem there but....if i recall.....most of those guys werent actually that great....so i went with johnson as i think he could be a great player and would go much higher if he played in a better conference.

And yeah, i thought blake was worth it at that point. The texans appear to have a great young D-line developing and if he keeps his head in the game and plays up to potential, the texans could be the next giants in terms of d-line ability.
I'm of the mindset that Branden Albert can get away with playing left tackle, especially in the Texans/Alex Gibbs scheme where you don't need that elite pass protector, just an athletic guy who can run block well and be good to serviceable in pass-pro. I don't necessarily mind Talib, I'm just leery about how he'll fit in. Jonathan Stewart would be passable too, but I wouldn't have him over Albert. There are so many directions the Texans could go in the first that its impossible for me to guess.

You're right with the assessment that none of our safeties are special, but as a unit they're solid enough that going DB twice in a row seems unnecessary, and you could've easily addressed another spot on the field, is all.

[catcher_0_3]

got no qualms for the falcons picks. And I LOVE matt ryan not being drafted until the second, right where he should be.

[BeerBaron]

I'm of the mindset that Branden Albert can get away with playing left tackle, especially in the Texans/Alex Gibbs scheme where you don't need that elite pass protector, just an athletic guy who can run block well and be good to serviceable in pass-pro. I don't necessarily mind Talib, I'm just leery about how he'll fit in. Jonathan Stewart would be passable too, but I wouldn't have him over Albert. There are so many directions the Texans could go in the first that its impossible for me to guess.

You're right with the assessment that none of our safeties are special, but as a unit they're solid enough that going DB twice in a row seems unnecessary, and you could've easily addressed another spot on the field, is all.

well thanks for the insight, ill try to put it to good use next time. Though i thought the texans had some guys in mind already who could be future LTs but were just injured last year. i guess idk....

got no qualms for the falcons picks. And I LOVE matt ryan not being drafted until the second, right where he should be.

agreed. hell probably go much higher than that, and i hope not to my bears, but talent wise i just dont like the guy and dont think hell be a great pro...

[Dam8610]

Wow, you drafted ALL the DEs early. OG is a TERRIBLE pick for the Colts before round 4 or 5. It never happens, and even if it did, that guard wouldn't start until 09 at the earliest. Dre Moore would be the best pick there based on need, then Shawn Crable, Marcus Howard, or another pass rusher would be a better 3rd round pick, or maybe a TE if there's someone who catches well there that's worth it. OG and LB are not even close to the Colts' top needs.

[BeerBaron]

Wow, you drafted ALL the DEs early. OG is a TERRIBLE pick for the Colts before round 4 or 5. It never happens, and even if it did, that guard wouldn't start until 09 at the earliest. Dre Moore would be the best pick there based on need, then Shawn Crable, Marcus Howard, or another pass rusher would be a better 3rd round pick, or maybe a TE if there's someone who catches well there that's worth it. OG and LB are not even close to the Colts' top needs.

duly noted. i find it hard to believe though that G isnt even the slightest of needs given the loss of starters there. They apparently treat o-line a little more than expected when they traded this years first to get ugoh last year but ill take you word on it.

so DT or DE headed forward...gotcha

[Packman1957]

That has to be one of the shittiest situations to land in for the Packers in the first round, they're really is no one who I would really like to have at that pick.

The problem with Cason, is he is a zone corner, and would not fit our style at all. But boy, the choices kind of suck their, if that were the case I would actually say give me Felix Jones in the first to complement Grant ( I think he is one of the better values at pick #30, some may disagree though), and than give us a CB in the 2nd Round. I like the Keller pick. Forte would work considering we draft a CB in the first. And the rest look pretty good. Overall good job. But I pray nightly that we don't land in that situation, because that is UGLY.

Btw, I highly doubt Matt Ryan falls that far. I just don't buy it, as much as you may hate him. I know there are teams that have him high on their board. IMO he is clearly the best in this draft, he may not be good right away as he probably isn't really polished, but in a couple of years he will at the very least be solid unless he lands himself in an extremely ****** situation.

[Redskins4Bowl26]

Round 1: Don't like this, I rather have Malcom Kelly here than James Hardy here.

Round 2: Good pick, hopefully he can live up to his potiential and become an absolute stud.(Calais Campbell)

Round 3: Good depth, maybe he could develope into a starter someday with Buges as the O-Line daddy.(Eric Young)

[Dam8610]

They apparently treat o-line a little more than expected when they traded this years first to get ugoh last year but ill take you word on it.

You're talking about LT vs. OG though. The Colts make late Day 2 guys, UDFAs, and waiver wire pickups into anything from serviceable starters to Pro Bowlers in the middle of the OL (most people felt DeMulling would've made it in 04 had he stayed healthy, and of course there's 3 time Pro Bowler Jeff Saturday). LT is the only position in the last 5+ years that the Colts have spent a day one pick on along the OL. Had Tarik Glenn not been close to FA and considering retirement, even that wouldn't have happened.

[xposipx]

Looks like you copied from others and know 0 about Carolina. Horrible.

[iloxygenil]

Give Atlanta Curtis Lofton over Philip Wheeler (who I love but isn't worth a 2nd round pick based on his combine stats and will slip because of it) and you have one heck of a beautiful draft...

Dorsey
Flacco
Cherilus
LOFTON
Cousins
and Trae Williams ($$$ right there)

That would really be incredible for the Falcons.

[BeerBaron]

That has to be one of the shittiest situations to land in for the Packers in the first round, they're really is no one who I would really like to have at that pick.

The problem with Cason, is he is a zone corner, and would not fit our style at all. But boy, the choices kind of suck their, if that were the case I would actually say give me Felix Jones in the first to complement Grant ( I think he is one of the better values at pick #30, some may disagree though), and than give us a CB in the 2nd Round. I like the Keller pick. Forte would work considering we draft a CB in the first. And the rest look pretty good. Overall good job. But I pray nightly that we don't land in that situation, because that is UGLY.

Btw, I highly doubt Matt Ryan falls that far. I just don't buy it, as much as you may hate him. I know there are teams that have him high on their board. IMO he is clearly the best in this draft, he may not be good right away as he probably isn't really polished, but in a couple of years he will at the very least be solid unless he lands himself in an extremely ****** situation.

on your first point, im aware that the consensus on cason is that he's a cover 2 guy and could end up being this years damieon hughes in that hes a playmaking college corner whos just too slow for the pros and falls to the mid rounds to a cover 2 team. BUT! Cason's been running and performing much better than i think a lot of people expected him to. while his 4.48 40 isnt blazing, its much more than adequate. add to that his ballhawking, playmaking abilities and a year or two to sit behind woodson and harris, i think he could make for a good pro man-to-man corner.

as for ryan, as ive said earlier, i know thats not going to happen. however, no matter what team you give him to in round 1, theyre fans do nothing but ***** and moan and complain about it. Im one of them every time he falls to the bears. could he be a good pro? sure, hell anyone could be this time of the year. but theres just something about his game that i dont like.....19 picks being the primary but also things such as "leadership" and "intangible" being his top qualities. those are great things to have, i dont disagree there, but those alone should not push a QB who couldnt get his team to a BCS game in a very weak division while throwing 19 picks.....i just dont like it.

Round 1: Don't like this, I rather have Malcom Kelly here than James Hardy here.

Round 2: Good pick, hopefully he can live up to his potiential and become an absolute stud.(Calais Campbell)

Round 3: Good depth, maybe he could develope into a starter someday with Buges as the O-Line daddy.(Eric Young)

ok well, i dropped kelly for the injury concerns surrounding him and his knees. depending on who you listen to or read, its just a minor quad injury and other times its both of his knees are in bad shape. In this draft, i went under the assumption that it was the latter of the injuries and it made him risky. maybe next time ill assume hes just fine and there, he would be the redskins pick. like i said, it was just me playing around with the picks and trying to come up with a few scenarios. glad you liked the rest anyway.

You're talking about LT vs. OG though. The Colts make late Day 2 guys, UDFAs, and waiver wire pickups into anything from serviceable starters to Pro Bowlers in the middle of the OL (most people felt DeMulling would've made it in 04 had he stayed healthy, and of course there's 3 time Pro Bowler Jeff Saturday). LT is the only position in the last 5+ years that the Colts have spent a day one pick on along the OL. Had Tarik Glenn not been close to FA and considering retirement, even that wouldn't have happened.

ah, i see. another thing i forgot to take into account was that you resigned your other guard. i know one was lost to the titans but the other, lilja is is?, was brought back. forgot about that and thought you lost both. that will get fixed for next time, i assure you.

[BeerBaron]

Looks like you copied from others and know 0 about Carolina. Horrible.

well, its hard for me to improve upon those picks if you dont ya know, give me some other possible players or something. thats what defines the "constructive criticism" i asked for...

plus carolina and their fans seem to be all over the place in what they want. Give em a safety and you get "we dont draft safeties that hight." give em a QB and you get "we dont draft QBs." Give em an OT and you get "we dont want that guy, we want the other guy." Give em a big running back and you get "we dont need him, we have (insert crappy big guy like labrandon toefield here)"

so like i said, anything you know carolina might do that i didnt you should suggest to me otherwise this will keep happening...

Give Atlanta Curtis Lofton over Philip Wheeler (who I love but isn't worth a 2nd round pick based on his combine stats and will slip because of it) and you have one heck of a beautiful draft...

Dorsey
Flacco
Cherilus
LOFTON
Cousins
and Trae Williams ($$$ right there)

That would really be incredible for the Falcons.

thanks, the feedback is appreciated. ill try to remember the lofton > wheeler thing too

[Bobo]

I actually like all the Titans picks (rare for me), just think they are taken too high. Well except for Bennett, great value in the 3rd.

[BeerBaron]

I actually like all the Titans picks (rare for me), just think they are taken too high. Well except for Bennett, great value in the 3rd.

thanks. i found them real strapped for value in the first though...a lot of their positions of need just werent cutting it valuewise there.

and like i said once earlier, dixon is probably too high but i wanted to point out the idea that he is similar enough to VY to develop as his backup so taht if something were to happen to vince, they wouldnt have to drastically alter their style of play for a far less mobile QB such as kerry collins.

plus if dixon doesnt work out there, he is athletic enough to jump to WR and the titans had huge success with a move like that before in drew bennett.

just an idea that i wanted to make sure made it on there...if it went to 6 rounds say, i would have put him in there instead.

but im glad you generally liked it

[Bobo]

Well I'd rather the Titans reach for players who are at need positions and have been productive in college rather than doing what they did last year in the 2nd round with a workout warrior like Chris Henry. I'd be pretty happy with this draft.

[pellepelle_10]

thanks, always nice to hear good things from fellow bears fans.

Now, i just dont foresee the bears going RB in round 1 short of all the tackles being gone.....sorry to burst your bubble.

now as for simpson, i really like him. really like him. he's shown some studly athleticism in his workouts with good speed, big hands, and a 41 inch vertical i believe. (that one at his pro day) Out of those guys you mentioned, earl bennett is the only one i would consider over simpson. but give him a chance, read up on him, look at his numbers, look at his highlights...i like him and think he has a good chance to be a long term stud WR.

Don't sweat the picks buddy. You can't please everyone. As I had stated if we don't go RB rnd1 this would another good option.

Regarding simpson. Upside is one thing. Production and consistency is another. Earl Bennett has both and so does Caldwell. I just can't warrant passing any of these guys up for Simpson of all players. I'd seriously take DJ Hall or Marcus Monk over him. I've seen clips on him. I just can't warrant taking him over other players that have proven more consistency than him. JMO

[BeerBaron]

Don't sweat the picks buddy. You can't please everyone. As I had stated if we don't go RB rnd1 this would another good option.

Regarding simpson. Upside is one thing. Production and consistency is another. Earl Bennett has both and so does Caldwell. I just can't warrant passing any of these guys up for Simpson of all players. I'd seriously take DJ Hall or Marcus Monk over him. I've seen clips on him. I just can't warrant taking him over other players that have proven more consistency than him. JMO

well...hall or monk but not that early. and i favor them because they bring a little size with them.

even simpson is pushing 6'2 which is taller than anyone else in our receiving corps currently. a guy like bennett would be a nice addition and i certainly wouldnt complain, but i dont want to end up like say, the bills, and have an overly short receiver corps with no red zone threats

[BeerBaron]

Looks like you copied from others and know 0 about Carolina. Horrible.

i looked it back over and i just cant see it. I had at least 2 others panthers fans say they were ok with the draft and i can't figure out how to have made it any better. needs are filled, the value is there where they are pick.....i just dont get it. you must be in the vast minority of panthers fans or something....

[pellepelle_10]

well...hall or monk but not that early. and i favor them because they bring a little size with them.

even simpson is pushing 6'2 which is taller than anyone else in our receiving corps currently. a guy like bennett would be a nice addition and i certainly wouldnt complain, but i dont want to end up like say, the bills, and have an overly short receiver corps with no red zone threats

Understandable and I was speaking about Hall or Monk in the 5th. I wouldn't select them that early either.

[BeerBaron]

Understandable and I was speaking about Hall or Monk in the 5th. I wouldn't select them that early either.

agreed though i would like to see that position addressed a little earlier....the bears FO has proven again and again and again that they can uncover suitable defenders in the late rounds (vasher, alex brown, mark anderson, etc)

but not so much luck there with offensive guys. so the odds are probably a little better of us ending up a better team if we nab an OT, OG, RB, QB and WR with our first several picks and then snag some defensive depth players late say after the 5th.

[TNPatsFan]

I really liked that Pats draft until you had them taking Colt Brennan in the fourth round. That one deserves a big HUH??????

[BeerBaron]

I really liked that Pats draft until you had them taking Colt Brennan in the fourth round. That one deserves a big HUH??????

i explained earlier but ill reiterate here:

at the time, i didnt know about his weight gain or surgery...so that will drop him in my next mock...

but i feel the pats offense is the closest thing to the wide open, pass whacky thing he ran at hawaii and hes got the talent if someone wants to develop it.

since they have brady as a well entrenched starter, i be they would like someone a little better than matt cassel to be backing him up. so why not give brennan a chance?

[TNPatsFan]

i explained earlier but ill reiterate here:

at the time, i didnt know about his weight gain or surgery...so that will drop him in my next mock...

but i feel the pats offense is the closest thing to the wide open, pass whacky thing he ran at hawaii and hes got the talent if someone wants to develop it.

since they have brady as a well entrenched starter, i be they would like someone a little better than matt cassel to be backing him up. so why not give brennan a chance?

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. I'll just throw in my two cents. They already have two developmental QB's on the roster so I can't see them adding a third, at least not with a fourth round pick, maybe a sixth or seventh. I don't think it would make sense for them to use a fourth on a guy that has no shot at seeing the field for the next 5 years.

I like the rest of your picks for the Pats, though I personally like Godfrey over Porter. That's just my preference. Either one works. With that fourth rounder I could see them going OL or TE. QB just doesn't make sense to me there, no matter who it is.

[BeerBaron]

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. I'll just throw in my two cents. They already have two developmental QB's on the roster so I can't see them adding a third, at least not with a fourth round pick, maybe a sixth or seventh. I don't think it would make sense for them to use a fourth on a guy that has no shot at seeing the field for the next 5 years.

I like the rest of your picks for the Pats, though I personally like Godfrey over Porter. That's just my preference. Either one works. With that fourth rounder I could see them going OL or TE. QB just doesn't make sense to me there, no matter who it is.

aye well, before i found out about this surgery and dramatic weight gain with brennan, i would have definitally taken him over cassel or.....guiterrez...is it? anyway...i would have taken brennan over either.

but with the surgery and all that, im starting to wonder if brennan will even be drafted at all.

i still think the pats could use someone better as a true backup QB and i think its very possible they draft someone rounds 4-5....maybe even 3 if the right player is there

[Joeyjr09]

I think Matt Ryan is a very ordinary QB prospect. I have him nubmer 4 on my list behind Flacco, Brohm and Henne. However he is a huge value at pick number 32 and would be estatic if we could get him there.

Coming out of day 1 with Chris Long, Matt Ryan and Anthony Collins would be much more then I could ever ask for the Dolphins draft. I would be happy getting Chris Long at number 1 and Collins at number 32.

Throw a big bodies CB in Terrell Thomas in round 3 and a Solid WR in Jordy in round 4 and I'd be thrilled. I'd like to see them hit on a NT like Frank Okam or a DE in Kendall Langford before Jordy but I can't complain overall with the draft. Very solid job.

Very interesting mock overall as well. Love to see you put together a full 7 rounds if your up for it ;)

[BeerBaron]

I think Matt Ryan is a very ordinary QB prospect. I have him nubmer 4 on my list behind Flacco, Brohm and Henne. However he is a huge value at pick number 32 and would be estatic if we could get him there.

Coming out of day 1 with Chris Long, Matt Ryan and Anthony Collins would be much more then I could ever ask for the Dolphins draft. I would be happy getting Chris Long at number 1 and Collins at number 32.

Throw a big bodies CB in Terrell Thomas in round 3 and a Solid WR in Jordy in round 4 and I'd be thrilled. I'd like to see them hit on a NT like Frank Okam or a DE in Kendall Langford before Jordy but I can't complain overall with the draft. Very solid job.

Very interesting mock overall as well. Love to see you put together a full 7 rounds if your up for it ;)

firstly, thanks for the good feedback and secondly, im hoping to try and do a 7 rounder with explanations and all of that closer to the draft.

i hope to use the feedback i get here to revamp that one when i do it.

which, btw, fans of teams who haven't commented yet, i would like to see what some of you think