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adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 03:46 PM
PFW came out with their new mock today and Norwacki is implying that Chris Long's stock is dropping. If you add Devaney's comments that he doesnt see Long as much of a pass rusher in the NFL, could Chris Long be the surprise player this year who's stock drops the most from the top five?


Media hype has created an expectation for Chris Long to be the first overall draft pick, but we see Bill Parcells opting for a more valuable Long with the top pick and, the way we hear it, we would be surprised if Chris is drafted in the top five. If the Chiefs, at No. 5, focus on their greatest need, a bigger run could be made on offensive linemen. However, the depth of this year’s draft at the OT, DE and CB positions could make teams feel comfortable about finding a talent at those positions in later rounds.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/mock2302.htm

AtariBigby
04-02-2008, 03:54 PM
No.

People always, this time of year, PRETEND that a player's stock is rising or falling.
These people do not know.

We all will find out when the draft is here and over with. GMs decide that.
And even if 31 GMs are lowering a guy's stock right now, it only takes one to take him higher than the others think.

Chris Long is a sure thing. Period.

CC.SD
04-02-2008, 03:54 PM
I was thinking about this recently actually.

If the Dolphins don't take Chris, preferring Gholston or Ryan or the other Long...

and the Rams are in love with Dorsey/Gholston...

and Atlanta takes Ryan, Raiders take McFadden, and Chiefs address the O-line, I can't see him passing the Jets.

The only way that happens is if they take Gholston over him, which I guess given their 3-4 is a possibility.

The Pats couldn't possibly pass on him though, could they? No chance.

So basically he will never get past 7. That's still quite a drop though.


For the record, I think Long will dominate, but as a 4-3 end. I still just don't like him in a 3-4 a whole lot.

BigBlueCrew56
04-02-2008, 03:55 PM
I'd be shocked if he makes it past the Raiders.

DeathbyStat
04-02-2008, 03:55 PM
I think the Jets would take Long before Stewart

619
04-02-2008, 03:55 PM
You think Al would have the balls to pass on Howie's son?

Geo
04-02-2008, 03:56 PM
Maybe he "falls" to the Rams' second overall pick like Reggie Bush "fell" to the Saints' second overall pick in 2006.

BigBlueCrew56
04-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I was thinking about this recently actually.

If the Dolphins don't take Chris, preferring Gholston or Ryan or the other Long...

and the Rams are in love with Dorsey/Gholston...

and Atlanta takes Ryan, Raiders take McFadden, and Chiefs address the O-line, I can't see him passing the Jets.

The only way that happens is if they take Gholston over him, which I guess given their 3-4 is a possibility.

The Pats couldn't possibly pass on him though, could they? No chance.

So basically he will never get past 7. That's still quite a drop though.


For the record, I think Long will dominate, but as a 4-3 end. I still just don't like him in a 3-4 a whole lot.


I agree I think that Chris Long will be a great 4-3 defensive end in the mold of Jared Allen-Aaron Kampaman- Patrick Kerney. He would be a so so 3-4 OLB. Certainly not worth taking him at #1 if he is not going to be playing defensive end in a 4-3.

619
04-02-2008, 03:57 PM
Maybe he "falls" to the Rams' second overall pick like Reggie Bush "fell" to the Saints' second overall pick in 2006.

Yes, that's more like it.

toonsterwu
04-02-2008, 03:57 PM
Could he fall? Sure. But pfw's draft stuff is, um, well, let's just say interesting. I saw that mock, and um, some of it is, well, interesting.

CC.SD
04-02-2008, 04:00 PM
You think Al would have the balls to pass on Howie's son?

I do, because I don't know how you justify paying DeAngelo all that money without putting a contending team together, and in the mold of AD, the fastest way to do that is draft a ridiculously explosive RB.

gdamac
04-02-2008, 04:08 PM
He'll never get past Al Davis, but I don't think he will get that far. Of course I would have laughed at Peterson falling to 7 and Quinn falling to 22 last year, so...

vidae
04-02-2008, 04:12 PM
Yes, that mock is all kinds of.. stupid.

adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 04:22 PM
Maybe he "falls" to the Rams' second overall pick like Reggie Bush "fell" to the Saints' second overall pick in 2006. Makes no sense for the Rams. Wouldnt they just take Dorsey or Jake Long, whoever is avialble?

adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 04:24 PM
Could he fall? Sure. But pfw's draft stuff is, um, well, let's just say interesting. I saw that mock, and um, some of it is, well, interesting. Yeah its still one month away so things will change but PFW and that guy from Dallas Morning News have some of the best final mocks in the business. The only three I pay attention to are NFLDC, PFW, and the Dallas Morning News guy

adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 04:26 PM
You think Al would have the balls to pass on Howie's son? That's the team I dont see him slipping past. I dont think the Raiders need a RB with the zone blocking scheme they employ

Paranoidmoonduck
04-02-2008, 04:27 PM
Oakland is almost assuredly the lowest Chris Long could go. Whether you'd consider that falling or not, considering that he has been the most common play slotted to go #1, is up to you, but he's going to go top 5.

Crickett
04-02-2008, 04:29 PM
I'll say this. Chris Long has much chance of falling as the Chiefs do of drafting Darren McFadden fifth overall.

nfrillman
04-02-2008, 04:32 PM
Makes no sense for the Rams. Wouldnt they just take Dorsey or Jake Long, whoever is avialble?

Actually DE is the Rams biggest need, followed by OT. The difference is that they must get a starter at DE, while they only need a backup OT in case Pace gets hurt. Dorsey actually makes the least amount of sense if you are looking at needs. Currently the Rams have Carriker, Glover, Ryan, and Wroten. I consider those guys all quality options. Conversely, the DE's on the roster are Little, Hall, Adeyanju, and Moore. So basically they have one good DE and pass rush threat, and thats assuming Little rebounds from his toe injury. As a Rams fan I want them to take whoever they feel the best player is, but I want them to think Chris Long is the best because of the need at DE.

LonghornsLegend
04-02-2008, 04:40 PM
Really dont see anyway the Raiders pass on him actually, I think Al would love to have him over McFadden & Gholston if all are there...But even still, the validity of that mock went out the window for me when McFadden was picked by the Chiefs at 5 who need dbs, d line, o line, and a qb as well as just paying LJ huge money, but you want another top pick on a rb why?


And Stewart going 6 just makes no sense at all over Chris Long, I mean, seriously?

BamaFalcon59
04-02-2008, 04:45 PM
I think steriotypes suck. How come he is only compared to Justin Smith, Patrick Kerney, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, and the like? I do not understand that. He is a very, very good athlete. Not only is he fluid athletic, but he is actually athletic. He has amazing technique. He stops the run. He can play end in a 4-3, end in a 3-4, outside linebacker in a 3-4, or inside linebacker in a 3-4. He can rush the passer, I am not sure where the doubts about that come from. The kid is a great prospect.

I severely doubt him falling past 4, and definitely not past 7. I see him going one to Miami or two to Saint Louis.

adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 04:48 PM
Actually DE is the Rams biggest need, followed by OT. The difference is that they must get a starter at DE, while they only need a backup OT in case Pace gets hurt. Dorsey actually makes the least amount of sense if you are looking at needs. Currently the Rams have Carriker, Glover, Ryan, and Wroten. I consider those guys all quality options. Conversely, the DE's on the roster are Little, Hall, Adeyanju, and Moore. So basically they have one good DE and pass rush threat, and thats assuming Little rebounds from his toe injury. As a Rams fan I want them to take whoever they feel the best player is, but I want them to think Chris Long is the best because of the need at DE. Little is still there right? Are Cliff Ryan and Adeyanju busts? Sorry I didnt pay any attention to that team once the injuries hit the oline. Do they need a run stuffer at DE or a pass rusher? If they need a pass rusher they would go Gholston I would assume

adamprez2003
04-02-2008, 04:52 PM
Really dont see anyway the Raiders pass on him actually, I think Al would love to have him over McFadden & Gholston if all are there...But even still, the validity of that mock went out the window for me when McFadden was picked by the Chiefs at 5 who need dbs, d line, o line, and a qb as well as just paying LJ huge money, but you want another top pick on a rb why?


And Stewart going 6 just makes no sense at all over Chris Long, I mean, seriously? Did you see his final mock last year? It was money. I agree with you, I had to reread that mock to make sure it wasnt an April Fool's joke but PFW has some good contacts and they are definitely someone to pay attention too. I'm sure it will change as we get closer to the draft

Solomon
04-02-2008, 05:17 PM
I think steriotypes suck. How come he is only compared to Justin Smith, Patrick Kerney, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, and the like? I do not understand that. He is a very, very good athlete. Not only is he fluid athletic, but he is actually athletic. He has amazing technique. He stops the run. He can play end in a 4-3, end in a 3-4, outside linebacker in a 3-4, or inside linebacker in a 3-4. He can rush the passer, I am not sure where the doubts about that come from. The kid is a great prospect.

I severely doubt him falling past 4, and definitely not past 7. I see him going one to Miami or two to Saint Louis.

I agree that stereotypes suck and I hate to admit it but the Patrick Kerney comparison really does work on more levels than just skin color. They both have good size, are very athletic, have great motors, play the run and rush the passer and came out of Virginia having played DE in a 3-4. Will Smith is also a pretty good prospect comparison for him.

I also don't see Long dropping far. "Top" prospects who drop hard on D Day do so for three reasons:

1) Character questions and poor work ethic. By all accounts Long has a grade A personality.

2) Injury concerns. Long has no history of major injuries.

3) Many teams at the top of the draft don't have the player's position as a need. Long is a DE/OLB and teams could always use another one since they are in vogue around the league right now after the Giants won the SB after stockpiling ends. Miami, St Louis, Oakland, New York and New England would all address a need by adding him and if he miraculously drops by all of them some team would probably trade up to nab him (Cincy, Minny, Jacksonville).

SimonRath
04-02-2008, 05:58 PM
I'd be very pissed off if the Falcons take Matt Ryan ahead of Chris Long

BamaFalcon59
04-02-2008, 06:05 PM
I agree that stereotypes suck and I hate to admit it but the Patrick Kerney comparison really does work on more levels than just skin color. They both have good size, are very athletic, have great motors, play the run and rush the passer and came out of Virginia having played DE in a 3-4. Will Smith is also a pretty good prospect comparison for him.

I also don't see Long dropping far. "Top" prospects who drop hard on D Day do so for three reasons:

1) Character questions and poor work ethic. By all accounts Long has a grade A personality.

2) Injury concerns. Long has no history of major injuries.

3) Many teams at the top of the draft don't have the player's position as a need. Long is a DE/OLB and teams could always use another one since they are in vogue around the league right now after the Giants won the SB after stockpiling ends. Miami, St Louis, Oakland, New York and New England would all address a need by adding him and if he miraculously drops by all of them some team would probably trade up to nab him (Cincy, Minny, Jacksonville).

Not sure the Patrick Kerney comparison works great, but it is okay. I think Kerney relies too much on two things, those being the swim and the bull rush. Chris Long is a bit more versatile rushing the passer. But I think the pass rushing ability is similar. But Kerney was not exactly stellar against the run while in Atlanta. He really focused too much on the quarterback and for a guy with ideal measurables he was pushed around a bit easily. He was not horrible against the run, but not very good either.

The Legend
04-02-2008, 07:00 PM
i hope he drops to the Raiders, i'd be really happy and im not a raiders fan, like father like son would make things intresting

nfrillman
04-02-2008, 09:09 PM
Little is still there right? Are Cliff Ryan and Adeyanju busts? Sorry I didnt pay any attention to that team once the injuries hit the oline. Do they need a run stuffer at DE or a pass rusher? If they need a pass rusher they would go Gholston I would assume

Little is still there and will be fully recovered from toe surgery. Adeyanju and Ryan aren't really busts. Adeyanju was a late draft pick and he is pretty good agains the run from the DE position, but he creates virtually nothing as a pass rusher. Clifton Ryan was an extremely present surprise for the Rams last year. He was a rookie 5th round pick, but he looked absolutely dominant when he played. So basically Adeyanju is a run specialist and Ryan has the potential to be a mainstay at DT. To sum up the Rams situation, they definitely need a pass rusher. Last year the DE's as a whole recorded 5.5 sacks, that is obviously abysmal. The DT spot is one of the deepest areas on the team, but if they feel Dorsey is the real deal they could still take him and move Carriker out to end. The issue with that is Carriker was very good at DT last year, so making him switch might be questionable.

LonghornsLegend
04-02-2008, 09:14 PM
Did you see his final mock last year? It was money. I agree with you, I had to reread that mock to make sure it wasnt an April Fool's joke but PFW has some good contacts and they are definitely someone to pay attention too. I'm sure it will change as we get closer to the draft

It will probably change, but those picks make no sense even right now, in what world would the Chiefs take McFadden at #5? Thats wrong for plenty of reasons, and Stewart going #6 after surgery is pretty ridiculous, I dont think the Jets have even shown any interest in taking Stewart whatsoever.

NGSeiler
04-02-2008, 09:19 PM
Do they need a run stuffer at DE or a pass rusher?

They could use both, which is why Long makes perfect sense for them if he's there.

The DT spot is one of the deepest areas on the team, but if they feel Dorsey is the real deal they could still take him and move Carriker out to end. The issue with that is Carriker was very good at DT last year, so making him switch might be questionable.

Not a fan of that plan of action myself.

Xonraider
04-02-2008, 09:20 PM
You think Al would have the balls to pass on Howie's son?

Well, Al has the balls for just about anything but I don't think he'd skip on Howie's son... too much history

Thunder&Lightning
04-02-2008, 09:26 PM
No possible chance he will fall. People are just trying to find flaws... The potential top picks always get these questions just because they are such high profile guys.

Thread Killer
04-02-2008, 09:40 PM
No way Chris Long gets past the Rams. Pick might take all of two seconds.

Yung Flippa
04-02-2008, 10:10 PM
No Possible way he gets past Baltimore, if he even gets somewhere near the 8th pick.

asmitty45
04-02-2008, 11:35 PM
I cant possibly imagine a scenario where he falls past the Jets. But i still think he's gonna go #1 overall

Abaddon
04-03-2008, 04:40 AM
I do, because I don't know how you justify paying DeAngelo all that money without putting a contending team together, and in the mold of AD, the fastest way to do that is draft a ridiculously explosive RB.
You actually make his point for him.

Al has all this money tied up in the secondary. With no pass rush, that money is wasted. If Chris Long is there at 4, he's a Raider.

Also, I thought the ridiculous notion that McFadden was on Peterson's level had been eradicated. I guess not.

Long goes 1 or 2. If he's there at 3, someone trades up. I don't see any possible way he's there at 4 unless he's the guy who sold Bowman that pot.

Abaddon
04-03-2008, 04:49 AM
Why is it that people get so goofy when Chris Long is compared to a white guy? Are we supposed to toss in a Strahan comparison because of the Rooney Rule or some such nonsense?

keylime_5
04-03-2008, 08:28 AM
Long is gonna drop. He's gonna drop all the way to #1 overall.

nhlkdog411
04-03-2008, 10:41 AM
maybe people get annoyed by comparison's of him to white players because he is ONLY ever compared to white players, most of whom are called overachievers without great talent, when it is clear that Long, while a hard worker, is phenomenally talented and quite athletic as well.

Solomon
04-03-2008, 01:53 PM
maybe people get annoyed by comparison's of him to white players because he is ONLY ever compared to white players, most of whom are called overachievers without great talent, when it is clear that Long, while a hard worker, is phenomenally talented and quite athletic as well.

To be fair Kerney and Justin Smith are also phenomenally talented and quite athletic and were considered to be top prospects as well.

Abaddon
04-03-2008, 02:22 PM
...thus debunking the nonsensical idea that Long is only compared to overachieving white guys, while simultaneously furthering the notion that some people will look day and night for the opportunity to bring race into a conversation.

Long is a bad ass. Compare him to Julius Irving for all I care. Just have his ticket to Hawaii ready in February.

FinNasty
04-03-2008, 02:36 PM
PFW came out with their new mock today and Norwacki is implying that Chris Long's stock is dropping. If you add Devaney's comments that he doesnt see Long as much of a pass rusher in the NFL, could Chris Long be the surprise player this year who's stock drops the most from the top five?


Media hype has created an expectation for Chris Long to be the first overall draft pick, but we see Bill Parcells opting for a more valuable Long with the top pick and, the way we hear it, we would be surprised if Chris is drafted in the top five. If the Chiefs, at No. 5, focus on their greatest need, a bigger run could be made on offensive linemen. However, the depth of this year’s draft at the OT, DE and CB positions could make teams feel comfortable about finding a talent at those positions in later rounds.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/mock2302.htm
Wud up adam? I didnt know you migrate over here?

And do you think he fall all the way to #1? ;)

ChezPower4
04-03-2008, 03:29 PM
I think that he is gonna be a great player and who cares if people say that his draft stock is falling. If it is falling the only thing that he will lose is a couple Million dollars but it's not like he's gonna go undrafted.

holt_bruce81
04-03-2008, 04:13 PM
He will be a Ram if the Dolphins don't select him.

nfrillman
04-03-2008, 08:31 PM
They could use both, which is why Long makes perfect sense for them if he's there.



Not a fan of that plan of action myself.

I too would not be overly thrilled about moving Carriker, but it's still a possibility the team might be looking at.

holt_bruce81
04-04-2008, 01:26 AM
nfrillman they've already addressed the scenario if the Rams took Dorsey. I think Devaney did on the radio a few weeks ago.

He said if the Rams take Dorsey he would play the Under Tackle position while Carriker played the Nose Tackle position.

And then on running downs you would see Clifton Ryan slide into the Nose Tackle position and Carriker slide over to play the DE spot.

So Carriker would play DE only on run downs, which makes sense.

back to Chris Long.......

Oaktown1981
04-04-2008, 02:28 AM
I expect Chris to be drafted by the Dolphins or the Rams.. But if he isn't I doubt the Raiders would pass on him..

Addict
04-04-2008, 05:33 AM
if he gets past #2, every team that passes on him will piss it's fanbase off.

nfrillman
04-04-2008, 08:17 PM
nfrillman they've already addressed the scenario if the Rams took Dorsey. I think Devaney did on the radio a few weeks ago.

He said if the Rams take Dorsey he would play the Under Tackle position while Carriker played the Nose Tackle position.

And then on running downs you would see Clifton Ryan slide into the Nose Tackle position and Carriker slide over to play the DE spot.

So Carriker would play DE only on run downs, which makes sense.

back to Chris Long.......

Oh, well I hadn't heard that. My concern with that is that we would still have Hall as are other starting DE. They could always draft a DE in the 2nd round, just not sure they would use the first 2 picks on D-line.

adamprez2003
04-04-2008, 08:56 PM
Little is still there and will be fully recovered from toe surgery. Adeyanju and Ryan aren't really busts. Adeyanju was a late draft pick and he is pretty good agains the run from the DE position, but he creates virtually nothing as a pass rusher. Clifton Ryan was an extremely present surprise for the Rams last year. He was a rookie 5th round pick, but he looked absolutely dominant when he played. So basically Adeyanju is a run specialist and Ryan has the potential to be a mainstay at DT. To sum up the Rams situation, they definitely need a pass rusher. Last year the DE's as a whole recorded 5.5 sacks, that is obviously abysmal. The DT spot is one of the deepest areas on the team, but if they feel Dorsey is the real deal they could still take him and move Carriker out to end. The issue with that is Carriker was very good at DT last year, so making him switch might be questionable. Thanks. I really liked Adeyanju out of college. He was one of my sleepers. Didnt know anything about Ryan but heard he was doing well in the preseason. Of course once the injuries hit the offensive line, the team was shot and I stopped paying attention. Appreciate the update. So you think they would go with the all around game of Long over the extra pass rush you could get from Gholston? I realize Long will be better his first year but it seems once you teach Gholston the same hand technique that Long already possesses he could be better long term. The problem I have with Long, is that technique wise, he's perfect. I dont see anymore upside with the guy whereas players like Gholston and Harvey are deficient in technique and could greatly improve with good coaching. Maybe you just take the sure thing here rather than go for the home run and risk striking out and take Long but I wonder

adamprez2003
04-04-2008, 08:59 PM
Wud up adam? I didnt know you migrate over here?

And do you think he fall all the way to #1? ;) wazzup. just spreading my wings

adamprez2003
04-04-2008, 09:00 PM
nfrillman they've already addressed the scenario if the Rams took Dorsey. I think Devaney did on the radio a few weeks ago.

He said if the Rams take Dorsey he would play the Under Tackle position while Carriker played the Nose Tackle position.

And then on running downs you would see Clifton Ryan slide into the Nose Tackle position and Carriker slide over to play the DE spot.

So Carriker would play DE only on run downs, which makes sense.

back to Chris Long.......

thx for the update. interesting dilemma for the rams

TheBuffaloBills
04-05-2008, 10:13 PM
I dont feel like starting a new thread or bumping an old one, but Calais Campbell is going to fall. A somewhat poor combine, not a real athlete. I say he goes late second or early third round.

KCJ58
04-05-2008, 10:15 PM
the farthest he'll fall is to #2 to St. Louis

Geo
04-05-2008, 10:21 PM
nfrillman they've already addressed the scenario if the Rams took Dorsey. I think Devaney did on the radio a few weeks ago.

He said if the Rams take Dorsey he would play the Under Tackle position while Carriker played the Nose Tackle position.

And then on running downs you would see Clifton Ryan slide into the Nose Tackle position and Carriker slide over to play the DE spot.

So Carriker would play DE only on run downs, which makes sense.

back to Chris Long.......
Very interesting, that.

Why not Carriker/Hall full-time at LDE? With a rotation of Dorsey/Glover/Wroten/Ryan inside (maybe a NT drafted to bolster that), and Little/Adeyanju at RDE. That's how I would do it, at least, if Dorsey was drafted.

I guess they are really set on Carriker playing inside. I'll be looking forward to seeing how he plays there in his second year, there could very well be a big jump as he's gained the experience of playing inside and as a rookie. That's big and not to be overlooked.

nfrillman
04-06-2008, 02:14 AM
Very interesting, that.

Why not Carriker/Hall full-time at LDE? With a rotation of Dorsey/Glover/Wroten/Ryan inside (maybe a NT drafted to bolster that), and Little/Adeyanju at RDE. That's how I would do it, at least, if Dorsey was drafted.

I guess they are really set on Carriker playing inside. I'll be looking forward to seeing how he plays there in his second year, there could very well be a big jump as he's gained the experience of playing inside and as a rookie. That's big and not to be overlooked.

Yeah, they really want Carriker to remain on the inside. He played very well on the interior last year. If they feel Dorsey is the best player they could definitely take him, especially if they feel he can create a substantial pass rush from the inside. The Rams basically just really need a pass rush, whether it comes from the inside or outside. In general the pass rush comes from the outside though, so thats why DE is consider the biggest need. I just think the Dorsey pick would be a little odd because they would have 5 DT's then, Carriker, Glover, Ryan, Wroten, and Dorsey. And none of those guys are considered scrubs by the team.

NGSeiler
04-07-2008, 12:16 AM
I guess they are really set on Carriker playing inside.

From the moment they drafted him, they said it was to be an interior player as a tackle. Haslett has talked about how Carriker is a good fit for the three-technique. To me, it sounds as if they've viewed him on the inside since their initial scouting of him last spring. Which is one of the reasons why I wouldn't look forward to a move outside for him - they drafted him with a plan of playing him inside, do you completely change your intentions for a guy simply because someone else comes along?

Abaddon
04-07-2008, 12:50 AM
do you completely change your intentions for a guy simply because someone else comes along?
Women do it all the time. ;)

I agree, though. I think they leave Carriker inside where his skillset offers the most upside.

GermanSaint
04-07-2008, 02:33 AM
I agree that stereotypes suck and I hate to admit it but the Patrick Kerney comparison really does work on more levels than just skin color. They both have good size, are very athletic, have great motors, play the run and rush the passer and came out of Virginia having played DE in a 3-4. Will Smith is also a pretty good prospect comparison for him.

but will smith isnt very athletic and doesnt have a great motor , he isnt a 3-4 DE also .... and he is nothing like kerney. i dont get it.

D-Rod
04-07-2008, 03:21 AM
Take Chris Long, Rams. Leave Dorsey alone.

Flyboy
04-07-2008, 03:37 AM
but will smith isnt very athletic and doesnt have a great motor...

... what? :confused:

nobodyinparticular
04-07-2008, 03:42 AM
Take Chris Long, Rams. Leave Dorsey alone.

No, please take Dorsey...

Packman1957
04-07-2008, 07:39 AM
No way Chris Long falls that far, I would be shocked if he fell past the Rams at #2, and if by some chance he does fall to #4 the Raiders without a doubt will take him.

As for that mock draft, it was in the top 5 of worst mock drafts I have ever seen. How can they be so dumb? Jonathan Stewart to the Jets? Mario Manningham to the Vikings? Packers pass on Mike Jenkins to take Martelleus Bennett. Yeah OK. Whoever wrote that is a moron.

FinNasty
04-07-2008, 07:47 AM
wazzup. just spreading my wings

Ya, I try to spread myself around too... lol

GermanSaint
04-07-2008, 08:05 AM
... what? :confused:

he let me doubting it the last season , pretty out of shape and motivation, don´t you think so ?

swollja
04-07-2008, 09:39 AM
but will smith isnt very athletic and doesnt have a great motor , he isnt a 3-4 DE also .... and he is nothing like kerney. i dont get it.

idk about motor but he's a freak athlete

Solomon
04-07-2008, 12:05 PM
but will smith isnt very athletic and doesnt have a great motor , he isnt a 3-4 DE also .... and he is nothing like kerney. i dont get it.


Nonetheless I specified Smith as a "prospect comparison" not pro comparison. As a prospect he was considered to be very athletic with a high motor. Also If you reread my earlier post I did not anywhere say that Smith had played in a 3-4...Also just to clarify, saying that Long as a prospect reminds me a bit of Patrick Kerney and a bit of Will Smith does not necessarily mean that Smith reminded me of Kerney.

CC.SD
04-07-2008, 01:12 PM
All this Carriker talk makes me wonder how Long would do playing the 3 technique. Situationally, obviously. I think he's got the motor to get by the center on passing downs. Am I crazy?

His best fit is still as a 4-3 end.

Abaddon
04-07-2008, 03:01 PM
What does getting by the center have to do with playing the 3 tech?

But, yes. I think he could very easily move inside on passing downs.