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JF4
04-05-2008, 01:35 AM
It came out yesterday and I hadn't seen the full thing posted anywhere so here it is. It's 3 video parts and i'm too lazy to type the Mock so this is all you guys are getting.

Picks 1-10
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Picks 11-20
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Picks 21-31
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Not really to many surprises in the mock but one thing that interested me was Mike Mayock saying Brandon Flowers is the best CB in the draft. He also says that he is the most physical corner he has seen in the last 5 years of the draft.

I've noticed over the past couple years that when Mayock is particularly high on a certain player that player always turns into a great NFL player. I remember when D. Ware was coming out and how Mayock was in love with him. Obviously he knows his **** and I didn't really think that highly of Flowers untill Mayock gave him the o.k.

KCJ58
04-05-2008, 01:59 AM
i did the mock for you


1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long/DE (Virginia) Sr.
2. St. Louis Rams - Jake Long/OT (Michigan) Sr.
3. Atlanta Falcons - Glenn Dorsey/DT (LSU) Sr.
4. Oakland Raiders - Vernon Gholston/DE (Ohio State) Jr.
5. Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Ryan/QB (Boston College) Sr.
6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden/RB (Arkansas) Jr
7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco 49ers) - Branden Albert/OG (Virginia) Sr.
8. Baltimore Ravens - Leodis McKelvin/CB (Troy) Sr.
9. Cincinnati Bengals - Sedrick Ellis/DT (USC) Sr.
10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers/LB (USC) Sr.
11. Buffalo Bills - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie/CB (Tennessee State) Sr.
12. Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady/OT (Bosie State) Jr.
13. Carolina Panthers - Jonathan Stewart/RB (Oregon) Sr.
14. Chicago Bears - Jeff Otah/OT (Pittsburgh) Sr.
15. Detroit Lions - Jerod Mayo/LB (Tennessee) Jr.
16. Arizona Cardinals - Rashard Mendenhall/HB (Illinois) Jr.
17. Minnesota Vikings - Derrick Harvey/DE (Florida) Jr.
18. Houston Texans - Chris Williams/OT (Vanderbilt)
19. Philadelphia Eagles - Mike Jenkins/CB (South Florida) Sr.
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Aqib Talib/CB (Kansas) Jr.
21. Washington Redskins - Calais Campbell/DE (Miami-Fla) Jr.
22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland Browns) - Felix Jones/RB (Arkansas) Jr.
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Gosder Cherilus/OT (Boston College) Sr.
24. Tennessee Titans - Devin Thomas/WR (Michigan State) Jr.
25. Seattle Seahawks - Kentwan Balmer/DT (North Carolina) Sr.
26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Phillip Merling/DE (Clemson) Jr.
27. San Diego Chargers - Brandon Flowers/DB (Virginia Tech) Sr.
28. Dallas Cowboys - DeSean Jackson/WR (Calfornia) Jr.
29. San Francisco 49ers (from Indianapolis Colts) - Dan Connor/LB (Penn State) Sr.
30. Green Bay Packers - Sam Baker/OT (USC) Sr.
31. New York Giants - Mario Manningham/WR (Michigan) Jr.

nobodyinparticular
04-05-2008, 02:10 AM
I really don't see Jake Long going #2 to the Rams. With Pace and Barron, how long would Long have to sit or play OG?

Turtlepower
04-05-2008, 02:11 AM
Watching the Giants last season really shows that WR is our biggest need... I hate Mayock. =(

nobodyinparticular
04-05-2008, 02:29 AM
It came out yesterday and I hadn't seen the full thing posted anywhere so here it is. It's 3 video parts and i'm too lazy to type the Mock so this is all you guys are getting.

Picks 1-10
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Picks 11-20
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Picks 21-31
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80798422

Not really to many surprises in the mock but one thing that interested me was Mike Mayock saying Brandon Flowers is the best CB in the draft. He also says that he is the most physical corner he has seen in the last 5 years of the draft.

I've noticed over the past couple years that when Mayock is particularly high on a certain player that player always turns into a great NFL player. I remember when D. Ware was coming out and how Mayock was in love with him. Obviously he knows his **** and I didn't really think that highly of Flowers untill Mayock gave him the o.k.

Those links are exactly the same

LonghornsLegend
04-05-2008, 02:32 AM
Watching the Giants last season really shows that WR is our biggest need... I hate Mayock. =(

I dont understand that pick one bit...Maybe you guys need two Sinorice Moss'.

toonsterwu
04-05-2008, 03:23 AM
I really don't see Jake Long going #2 to the Rams. With Pace and Barron, how long would Long have to sit or play OG?

At most, 2 years. That isn't that long. Barron's contract is up in 2 years. It wouldn't be that stunning to me if Jake Long beat out Barron for a tackle spot sooner than that either.

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As for the mock, the top 12 I buy. 13 surprised me a bit. Jonathan Stewart and the Panthers? It isn't for a lack of fit or need, though (they could use a big back despite adding Toefield).

At 14, my inclination is that Chicago would go with Williams over Otah, but sure, I could see Otah over Williams. 15 and Mayo somewhat surprised, but it wasn't shocking. Mayo is tearing up the boards, and it's hard to figure where the LB's fall this year, and Detroit is a team that could use one. But with Harvey and Mendenhall still on the board, not sure.

Seattle and Balmer mildy surprised. Sure, they could use another body, but do they really need it this high with some WR value in the area? The final two picks also surprised a bit. That said, prior to his pro day, Baker did make some sense for the Packers as a fit, and they are rumroed to like him. As for Manningham, not sure it's a first round need. Of course, the one question is who else, because the LB's are off here. The debate is whether or not there's secondary value in guys like Kenny Phillips, Antoine Cason, or Justin King, all of whom seem like debatable values. I'd probably go Phillips, even if it was considered a reach, considering they don't know what to expect at 63 on safeties.

Con
04-05-2008, 03:39 AM
he still has stewart goign in front of mendenhall.

didn't he say mendenhall is the #1 rb?

GermanSaint
04-05-2008, 04:11 AM
i dont see rivers going to the saints while clady is still on the board. but thats just me , and loomis picking bpa , he loves linemen

Addict
04-05-2008, 06:40 AM
he still has stewart goign in front of mendenhall.

didn't he say mendenhall is the #1 rb?

yes. But he also made clear that that's not necessarily the order in which they are selected. Just like Scott's rankings.

Caddy
04-05-2008, 06:43 AM
I could definitely buy Tampa having a look at Talib if he is available come draft day. He would be a perfect fit to Tampa's defense and could definitely be a future number 1 in it. I would however prefer DeSean.

yourfavestoner
04-05-2008, 06:44 AM
i dont see rivers going to the saints while clady is still on the board. but thats just me , and loomis picking bpa , he loves linemen

Would they move Jamaal Brown back to RT in that situation?

MURPHMAN
04-05-2008, 07:59 AM
Since when did Calais Campbell become a first rounder again? I thought the average to poor showing at his pro day was the final nail in the coffin for his stock.

Addict
04-05-2008, 08:14 AM
Since when did Calais Campbell become a first rounder again? I thought the average to poor showing at his pro day was the final nail in the coffin for his stock.

well he does still have the coache's tape to fall back on.

GermanSaint
04-05-2008, 08:39 AM
Would they move Jamaal Brown back to RT in that situation?

if clady turns out to be the real deal for LT , they would do it i think.
or they let him go next year and try backup zach strief on RT with bushrod at backup than.

we have a couple of big contracts comming the next years. jahri evans , marques colston , will smith , jammal brown the year after next.

he had a very lackluster season , so i can see an open battle this summer.

TAMBA is HUNGRY!!!!
04-05-2008, 09:42 AM
I don't know about J.Long over Dorsey.

I don't like KC taking Ryan when there are better overall players still available.

I don't think NE will freak out because of the Super Bowl and grab Oline at 7, when McKelvin is on the board, especially with his ability to return kicks and punts.

Would the Bills pass on Harvey or a WR for Cromartie? Cromartie is very raw, and the Bills already have raw CB's. What is the point in adding another?

Stewart over Mendenhall?

Pretty high for Mayo especially with Mendenhall and Harvey on the board for Detroit.

Devin Thomas would be a better pick for Dallas than F. Jones, but DeSean Jackson is a good pick, considering what he can do for you on special teams. It's a deeper RB class than WR.

GB looks like they may be forced to draft best player available, and that is not Sam Baker.

Same for NYG, Manningham is not the best player left, and WR is not an immediate enough need to warrant a first round pick. They would be better off with Curtis Lofton or Beau Bell at least.

Just my thoughts.

toonsterwu
04-05-2008, 10:18 AM
Since when did Calais Campbell become a first rounder again? I thought the average to poor showing at his pro day was the final nail in the coffin for his stock.

It's debatable value wise if Calais is a first rounder. Some probably have him early 2nd. At best, very late first. That said, many are thinking that since the Redskins hired the Miami DL coach (John something) that they will look that way. I'm not sure I agree, but only time will tell.

Xiomera
04-05-2008, 10:21 AM
15. Detroit Lions - Jerod Mayo/LB (Tennessee) Jr.
16. Arizona Cardinals - Rashard Mendenhall/HB (Illinois) Jr.


This scenario is a little unexpected. Hmm . . .

toonsterwu
04-05-2008, 10:30 AM
I don't know about J.Long over Dorsey.

I don't like KC taking Ryan when there are better overall players still available.

I don't think NE will freak out because of the Super Bowl and grab Oline at 7, when McKelvin is on the board, especially with his ability to return kicks and punts.

Would the Bills pass on Harvey or a WR for Cromartie? Cromartie is very raw, and the Bills already have raw CB's. What is the point in adding another?

Stewart over Mendenhall?

Pretty high for Mayo especially with Mendenhall and Harvey on the board for Detroit.

Devin Thomas would be a better pick for Dallas than F. Jones, but DeSean Jackson is a good pick, considering what he can do for you on special teams. It's a deeper RB class than WR.

GB looks like they may be forced to draft best player available, and that is not Sam Baker.

Same for NYG, Manningham is not the best player left, and WR is not an immediate enough need to warrant a first round pick. They would be better off with Curtis Lofton or Beau Bell at least.

Just my thoughts.

The counter-arguments for some (not saying I agree with all of them)

a) Jake Long over Glenn Dorsey - Rams DL need is actually more DE. Dorsey only comes into play because of his superb talent. That said, getting franchise tackles are hard. Early first OT's are usually relatively safe. With Pace winding down and Barron's contract ending in 2 years, this could be a preemptive strike. They could start Jake at RG and have an open battle for center, with Incognito perhaps favored. Don't rule out Jake beating out Barron for a tackle spot.

b) A very valid case can be made that Matt Ryan is BPA at that point, but that's being discussed in other threads. Furthermore, waiting to take a QB is usually riskier, so the opportunity to take a franchise QB, if they feel Ryan is one, is tough to pass. Would be very much a la Rivers/Brees if they went that route.

c) Stephen Neal's injury is something to consider. Furthermore, Kaczur is an average RT, Light is a decent LT, Hochstein is at best an average backup, and O'Callaghan is an unknown. They could start Albert inside and groom him for Light or Kaczur's spot as Scarnecchia is a good OL guy. Certainly would be one of the best raw talents they've had in the OL in awhile. With all their DB signings, they very well could wait. Since they've added a 3rd safety, many are assuming that Meriweather is going to CB, and his skillset is a quality fit at CB. Add in their other DB signings along with Belichick's bullish beliefs on coaching DB's, and it's possible they wait.

d) I would consider DE for Buffalo BUT ... they do have Kelsay and Schobel locked down. WR value is very iffy there, so they could opt to take a CB there and grab a WR early round 2 (or even dealing up if they want). The value of WR in the early 2nd isn't going to be very different from what's available in the first.

e) I like Mendenhall better. That said, Stewart is probably a slightly more physical back and that may be what Carolina is targeting.

f) I disagree with the Mayo pick, although most indications are that Mayo's made a rapid rise and could have an outside shot at challenging Rivers as the first LB off, depending on the team involved.

g) I agree that Green Bay isn't BPA. That said, they've always drafted for their fit. Furthermore, Tauscher and Clifton are winding down. It could be a case of drafting someone a tad higher knowing the options a round later are quite iffy. Of course, Baker needs to realize his agility was what made him intriguing and stop the bulking up he supposedly has gone through.

h) I think the Manningham pick is awfully odd. Just not sure it's needed. That said, post pro day, Mario is definitely in that late first-mid 2nd discussion again, and there's a lot of people to fit in there. It's not inconceivable that someone moves up for him.

RaiderFan
04-05-2008, 11:02 AM
Mike Mayock is a idiot

49ersfan_87
04-05-2008, 11:12 AM
I have a hard time believing the 49ers would pass up a potential pass rusher like Quentin Groves to take another 3-4 ILB, after we already drafted one in the 1st round last year, and signed one in FA this year.

I like connor, but it should be groves>connor for the 49ers.

Addict
04-05-2008, 11:13 AM
I am an idiot

fixed it for you.

bearsfan_51
04-05-2008, 11:23 AM
Guys, you have to keep in mind that Mayock watches a lot of tape. Ok? He watches tape of players, and that is where he gets his opinions from. Nobody else has access to this tape. It's secret tape. Secret tape that gives him special wisdom where he can act like a condescending prick and make really obvious statements and then be praised for being a genius. All of you should avoid watching tape. Just listen to whatever Mike Mayock tells you, as his opinion is much more valuable than yours since he's on TV.

Oh and I love how he can't make a single comment about McFadden without making some snide comment about character concerns. He was involved in a fight because someone hit his cousin. It's not like he got a DUI (half the league), or beat a woman (other half of the league).

Flyboy
04-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Would they move Jamaal Brown back to RT in that situation?

I would assume so. Adding Clady (or Mendenhall) if Ellis/Dorsey/Rivers are gone would not surprise me in the least. There's a chance we could always draft DRC or McKelvin but I just don't see that happening.

vidae
04-05-2008, 11:49 AM
Guys, you have to keep in mind that Mayock watches a lot of tape. Ok? He watches tape of players, and that is where he gets his opinions from. Nobody else has access to this tape. It's secret tape. Secret tape that gives him special wisdom where he can act like a condescending prick and make really obvious statements and then be praised for being a genius. All of you should avoid watching tape. Just listen to whatever Mike Mayock tells you, as his opinion is much more valuable than yours since he's on TV.

Oh and I love how he can't make a single comment about McFadden without making some snide comment about character concerns. He was involved in a fight because someone hit his cousin. It's not like he got a DUI (half the league), or beat a woman (other half of the league).

The first part made me lol, and the second part is so true. He wants to be right about Mendenhall being the best back so bad that he has to bring that up every time he talks about McFadden. McFadden will most likely be drafted before Mendenhall so he should chill on that.

And like someone stated previously, no Matt Ryan please. I'd rather take Branden Albert there. That kid is looking like he'll be a dominant pro.

MaxV
04-05-2008, 12:00 PM
A OG picked in the top 10?

When was the last time that happend?

619
04-05-2008, 12:07 PM
A OG picked in the top 10?

When was the last time that happend?

Leonard Davis in '01. Any team who would select Albert in the top 10 would most likely take him there with the intention of moving him out to tackle.

toonsterwu
04-05-2008, 12:15 PM
Leonard Davis, unless my memory is failing me, was drafted with the intent of kicking him out to OT at some point. It's just, well, he wasn't any good at it.

MaxV
04-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Albert is not a top 10 prospect.

I hope the Pats make that mistake.

RaiderFan
04-05-2008, 12:17 PM
Guys, you have to keep in mind that Mayock watches a lot of tape. Ok? He watches tape of players, and that is where he gets his opinions from. Nobody else has access to this tape. It's secret tape. Secret tape that gives him special wisdom where he can act like a condescending prick and make really obvious statements and then be praised for being a genius. All of you should avoid watching tape. Just listen to whatever Mike Mayock tells you, as his opinion is much more valuable than yours since he's on TV.

Oh and I love how he can't make a single comment about McFadden without making some snide comment about character concerns. He was involved in a fight because someone hit his cousin. It's not like he got a DUI (half the league), or beat a woman (other half of the league).

Mike Mayock is a blabbering idiot

SaintsMan
04-05-2008, 12:20 PM
DRC, Clady, Otah, Mendenhall, Mayo would be better than Rivers at 10.

JagHombre22
04-05-2008, 12:26 PM
DRC, Clady, Otah, Mendenhall, Mayo would be better than Rivers at 10.

the only player you listed that would be better than Rivers at 10 is Clady....you really can't make the case for anyone else...maybe, maybe, DRC...that's it though

Otah is not on Clady's level

Mayo is still a notch behind Rivers...but they play two different positions

The Saints don't need Mendenhall...

mikehop05
04-05-2008, 12:28 PM
gosder to the steelers would be a debauchery

mikehop05
04-05-2008, 12:33 PM
Guys, you have to keep in mind that Mayock watches a lot of tape. Ok? He watches tape of players, and that is where he gets his opinions from. Nobody else has access to this tape. It's secret tape. Secret tape that gives him special wisdom where he can act like a condescending prick and make really obvious statements and then be praised for being a genius. All of you should avoid watching tape. Just listen to whatever Mike Mayock tells you, as his opinion is much more valuable than yours since he's on TV.

Oh and I love how he can't make a single comment about McFadden without making some snide comment about character concerns. He was involved in a fight because someone hit his cousin. It's not like he got a DUI (half the league), or beat a woman (other half of the league).

while i agree with the second part the first part just seems like you need to get off the haterade..

mayock has been on point with most picks the last couple years, no matter how he is as a person, you can't argue with success

SaintsMan
04-05-2008, 12:42 PM
the only player you listed that would be better than Rivers at 10 is Clady....you really can't make the case for anyone else...maybe, maybe, DRC...that's it though

Otah is not on Clady's level

Mayo is still a notch behind Rivers...but they play two different positions

The Saints don't need Mendenhall...

Otah is a better mauler than Clady but yeah, he'll never be a LT like Clady. I would take Albert over Otah if he fell to 10. Mayo is almost as good a athlete as Rivers and has better instincts, he would be a great OLB or MLB. Rivers should go in the late teens imo. And you can't pass on a good back like Mendenhall just because you don't need him.

Flyboy
04-05-2008, 12:42 PM
DRC, Clady, Otah, Mendenhall, Mayo would be better than Rivers at 10.

Yeah, and your hatred towards Rivers has no impact on this statement at all. :rolleyes:

SaintsMan
04-05-2008, 12:50 PM
Yeah, and your hatred towards Rivers has no impact on this statement at all. :rolleyes:

I don't hate Rivers, I just don't think he is worth a top 10 pick.

JagHombre22
04-05-2008, 12:50 PM
Otah is a better mauler than Clady but yeah, he'll never be a LT like Clady. I would take Albert over Otah if he fell to 10. Mayo is almost as good a athlete as Rivers and has better instincts, he would be a great OLB or MLB. Rivers should go in the late teens imo. And you can't pass on a good back like Mendenhall just because you don't need him.

when you have needs like the Saints have needs...you aren't afforded the luxury of making BAP picks...

G-Men88
04-05-2008, 12:51 PM
Never liked Mayock and never saw what people liked about him. The Giants pick is very puzzling especially when you consider Kenny Phillips, Reggie Smith and Antoine Cason are on the board.

KCJ58
04-05-2008, 12:51 PM
I don't hate Rivers, I just don't think he is worth a top 10 pick.

neither is any of the cornerback in the draft but they will go in the top 10

GermanSaint
04-05-2008, 12:54 PM
when you have needs like the Saints have needs...you aren't afforded the luxury of making BAP picks...

oh you dont know mickey loomis , right ?

we never drafted for need in the first round the last 4 years , and we had rosters with far less talent than now.

Abaddon
04-05-2008, 12:56 PM
I actually like Albert to the Pats. They need to upgrade the OL, and they very rarely draft who people think they should. What they are known for is dropping high picks on linemen and getting their DBs later on. This pick would fall right in line with that.
Mike Mayock is a blabbering idiot
Because he has Oakland doing the smart thing and bypassing McFadden? :rolleyes:

SaintsMan
04-05-2008, 12:57 PM
when you have needs like the Saints have needs...you aren't afforded the luxury of making BAP picks...

So we take a average player like Rivers, passing on a very good RB that can be great? Saints need a FS also, so maybe we should take one at 10? BPA is what got us Will Smith, Deuce McAllister and Jammal Brown in the last few years. Drafting for need got us Johnathan Sullivan.

Flyboy
04-05-2008, 01:00 PM
So we take a average player like Rivers...

"Average player like Rivers"... yet Mayo worth our pick at 10.

Lawlz.

Addict
04-05-2008, 01:04 PM
Albert is not a top 10 prospect.

I hope the Pats make that mistake.

Yeah... I don't really see how drafting this type of guard prospect is a mistake, even if it's a bit of a reach (not as bad as Mayo in the top 20) Albert is a very very good player who will make a fine pro.

GermanSaint
04-05-2008, 01:07 PM
So we take a average player like Rivers, passing on a very good RB that can be great? Saints need a FS also, so maybe we should take one at 10? BPA is what got us Will Smith, Deuce McAllister and Jammal Brown in the last few years. Drafting for need got us Johnathan Sullivan.

bingo ! this what most fans never remember

SaintsMan
04-05-2008, 01:08 PM
"Average player like Rivers"... yet Mayo worth our pick at 10.

Lawlz.

Mayo isn't worth a top 10 pick either. Clady, Otah, Mendenhall, DRC, etc. someone will be there for us to take. When I said I would take Mayo at 10, I mean I would take him before I forced myself to draft Rivers.

TACKLE
04-05-2008, 01:09 PM
Yeah... I don't really see how drafting this type of guard prospect is a mistake, even if it's a bit of a reach (not as bad as Mayo in the top 20) Albert is a very very good player who will make a fine pro.

I don't think Mayo is that much of a reach. Although I don't think Detroit would take Mayo over Mendenhall, as of right now, I think Mayo is a Top 25 player in this draft.

Addict
04-05-2008, 01:35 PM
I don't think Mayo is that much of a reach. Although I don't think Detroit would take Mayo over Mendenhall, as of right now, I think Mayo is a Top 25 player in this draft.

Can't say I agree. His measurables are good, but he feels too much like a workout warrior.

Look at Scott's scouting report on him http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/jerodmayo.html

he was rated late round/FA before he came on. I agree he was underrated before, but to say he's top 25 is more wishful thinking than anything.

Brothgar
04-05-2008, 02:04 PM
I think Mayock is letting his mancrush on Brandon Albert go a little far (remember I think he was the first guy to put Albert as the top OG) While he could be kicked over to the OT position I can't see him going in front of Clady.

TheBuffaloBills
04-05-2008, 02:43 PM
I dont think we are going to take DRC. I mean I would like him, but we are going to take Devin Thomas...... Guarenteed

katnip
04-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Jets need a real QB. Thomas is still solid. And we tried trading for Cutler a few years ago. We need to actually trade up now.

keylime_5
04-05-2008, 02:44 PM
I don't know about that, guy's a top 15 pick and maybe the 2nd or 3rd lineman taken. Kiper has him at #5.

mikehop05
04-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Can't say I agree. His measurables are good, but he feels too much like a workout warrior.

Look at Scott's scouting report on him http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/jerodmayo.html

he was rated late round/FA before he came on. I agree he was underrated before, but to say he's top 25 is more wishful thinking than anything.

honestly his scouting report doesnt make much sense... he is undersized and doesnt have ideal bulk, at 6'1" and 1/4 and 242pds. but then goff had ideal size and bulk at 6'2" and weighs 245

come on now, he was productive at a big time school in college... fact is, is he should have never been mentioned as a lateround/FA in the first place

toonsterwu
04-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Jerod Mayo was never a late round/FA pitch. He had a very good year. I believe John Murphy noted his first round possibilities a long time ago. Has the workouts boosted him? Without a doubt. But he was in that late first-early 3rd mix before that.

Addict
04-05-2008, 02:58 PM
Jerod Mayo was never a late round/FA pitch. He had a very good year. I believe John Murphy noted his first round possibilities a long time ago. Has the workouts boosted him? Without a doubt. But he was in that late first-early 3rd mix before that.

I didn't say it.... I just quoted Scott.

SimonRath
04-05-2008, 03:24 PM
Some of the pick he has i really dont understand.
like The Patriots drafting a OG in the 1st round?
and Jonathan Stewart to Carolina?
and Mike Jenkins to the Eagles?
Dallas drafting Felix Jones and Jackson?
Giants getting Mario????

but he doesnt have the Falcons taking Ryan so im happy :)

UncleHulka
04-05-2008, 08:45 PM
I guess Brandon Flowers taken higher than expected pretty much fits an AJ Smith pick as long as his character isn't judged to be an issue. Actually, though, I'd be pretty surprised if the Chargers don't trade out of the first round. In fact, they could probably still get Flowers in the second (assuming a trade - Falcons?) if the draft were held today.

BlindSite
04-05-2008, 08:49 PM
honestly his scouting report doesnt make much sense... he is undersized and doesnt have ideal bulk, at 6'1" and 1/4 and 242pds. but then goff had ideal size and bulk at 6'2" and weighs 245

come on now, he was productive at a big time school in college... fact is, is he should have never been mentioned as a lateround/FA in the first place

Some can be a bit wierd like they'll say "excellent strength" then in weaknesses "not overly strong"

BoltHype
04-05-2008, 09:16 PM
Brandon Flowers...opinions on him differ soo much. He was supposed to be the #1 corner in the nation heading into his junior year...

UncleHulka
04-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Brandon Flowers...opinions on him differ soo much. He was supposed to be the #1 corner in the nation heading into his junior year...

He's a ballhawk, at least. In that respect alone, I think he'd be a great fit for SD. How many times did Florence (thanks to QB's rushing throws on pressure) fail to make the easy interception. If nothing more, than I can see Flowers blossoming (no pun intended) as a key nickel/dime option. That the Chargers have made it clear that DB is a target tells me that maybe they aren't so high on Oliver. The physical aspect of his game is icing on the cake on an already hard-hitting defense.

energizerbunny
04-06-2008, 02:09 AM
once again he changes how everyone thinks.....

I'll sit here and wait for everyone to go change there mock so Mayo and Albert are both top 15 picks.

TheGreatEscape
04-07-2008, 07:43 PM
I dislike Manningham more than I disliked Sinorice Moss two years ago, if the giants draft him I'll be pissed.