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NY+Giants=NYG
04-10-2008, 12:43 PM
Merriman and Ware replace Smith and Brown in '05 re-draft

Scouts Inc.'s philosophy is that it takes three years to judge a player. Based upon that thinking, we went back to look at how the 2005 draft should have gone. Redoing the 2005 draft was no easy task, mainly because it was not a very good draft class. In fact, three years later, some players are just now starting to develop.



Looking back on '05 draft
Scouts Inc. went back and regraded each teams 2005 draft class.

AFC East
AFC North
AFC South
AFC West


NFC East
NFC North
NFC South
NFC West


We have the Chargers taking the inconsistent wide receiver Vincent Jackson a round earlier than they took him back in 2005. Atlanta WR Roddy White is just now showing signs of being a No. 1, and he moves up in this draft. Derek Anderson, who was a sixth-round pick in Baltimore, is currently the starter in Cleveland and thus is taken ahead of Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell in this draft.


This poor draft class may also mean that the 2009 free agency class is going to leave a lot to be desired. Regardless, here is the new-look 2005 first round. (Blame the players --not us-- for the lackluster quality overall.)




1. San Francisco 49ers -- LB Shawne Merriman, Maryland
'05 team needs: QB, FS, WR, DE, CB, OLB, RB, C
Actual selection: QB Alex Smith, Utah
It's still too early to tell if Smith is a bust. But if he can't produce for new offensive coordinator Mike Martz, who knows how to develop quarterbacks, the bust label fits. Even if Smith improves, he will never be as good as Merriman, who would be a great fit in the 49ers' 3-4 scheme and has future Hall of Famer written all over him.




2. Miami Dolphins -- LB DeMarcus Ware, Troy
'05 team needs: RB, QB, OLB, WR, DE, DT, OT, S
Actual selection: RB Ronnie Brown, Auburn
It's fitting for the Dolphins to draft Ware. Bill Parcells obviously likes Ware, having drafted him in Dallas in 2005. The Cowboys have played a hybrid 3-4 defense, and Ware was the second-best player in this draft behind Merriman. Brown has been solid, but he hasn't been able to carry a dismal offense over the past few years.




3. Cleveland Browns -- OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
'05 team needs: QB, OT, NT, ILB, S, CB, DE, WR
Actual selection: WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan
It would be hard to argue against selecting Edwards, who was one of the top players in this class. However, we are looking back to 2005 and at that time the Browns had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL without current LT Joe Thomas. Based on the state of the offensive line back then, the Browns should not have passed on Brown, who is now an excellent starting left tackle.




4. Chicago Bears -- WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan
'05 Team needs: RB, TE, WR, G, OLB, QB, DT, CB
Actual selection: RB Cedric Benson, Texas
Benson has underachieved to this point. Had the Bears drafted Edwards, they would have kept RB Thomas Jones, who should still be the Bears' starter since Benson never actually beat him out. Jones was traded for one reason: to justify the drafting of Benson, who did nothing to quiet the skeptics in 2007, his first season as the starter.




5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- RB Frank Gore, Miami
'05 team needs: RB, WR, OLB, SS, G, DT, QB, OT, DE, CB
Actual selection: RB Carnell Williams, Auburn
Ironically, the knock against Gore -- that he was injury-prone -- has actually been the case for Williams. In retrospect, Gore, who has missed only three games in three years compared to Williams' 16, should have been the selection.




6. Tennessee Titans -- RB Ronnie Brown, Auburn
'05 team needs: CB, ROT, WR, RB, K, C, ILB, QB, TE
Actual selection: CB Adam Jones, West Virginia
The Titans would have rather taken anyone instead of Jones, whose off-the-field issues resulted in his being suspended for the entire 2007 season. The Titans' running game has been inconsistent without a featured back. Brown fits here, considering what he did running behind a bad Dolphins offensive line. We think he could have put up big-time numbers in Tennessee.




7. Minnesota Vikings -- OG Logan Mankins, Fresno State
'05 team needs: RG, WR, DE, K, DT, C, QB
Actual selection: WR Troy Williamson, South Carolina
Even though offensive guard is not an issue right now, in 2005 the Vikings' No. 1 need was a right guard; Mankins has been the most productive guard from the 2005 class. With an interior O-line of Steve Hutchinson at left guard, Matt Birk at center and Mankins at right guard, the Vikings would boast the NFL's best inside trio.




8. Arizona Cardinals -- OT Michael Roos, Eastern Washington
'05 team needs: RB, CB, TE, DT, G, OT, OLB, QB
Actual selection: CB Antrel Rolle, Miami
Roos was selected in the second round by the Titans and has been one of the best offensive tackles from this class. Since 2005, the Cardinals have been trying to resolve their offensive line issues, and Roos could have helped them tremendously. The Cardinals line is better today than it was then, but Roos would have turned the position from a question mark into an exclamation point.




9. Washington Redskins -- MLB Lofa Tatupu, USC
'05 team needs: ILB, DE, CB, DT, SS, G, TE
Actual selection: CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn
The No. 1 need for the Redskins in 2005 was inside linebacker. Tatupu went in the second round to Seattle and is now one of the best inside linebackers in the NFL. While Rogers can't stay healthy, Tatupu would have been the leader Washington has been lacking on defense.




10. Detroit Lions -- QB Derek Anderson, Oregon State
'05 team needs: ROT, DE, S, ILB, DT, QB, TE, WR
Actual selection: WR Mike Williams, USC
Anderson is the best quarterback in this class and was taken in the sixth round by Baltimore. Anderson moved on to Cleveland and will enter the season as the Browns' No. 1. He still has a lot to prove, but he is further along than first-rounders Smith, Rodgers and Campbell.




11. Dallas Cowboys -- DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
'05 team needs: OT, DE, OLB, FS, CB, WR, G, RB, QB
Actual selection: LB DeMarcus Ware, Troy
Even with Ware off the re-draft board, we know Parcells still would have gone with a defensive pick. Tuck would play defensive end in the Cowboys' 3-4 scheme and rush the passer as a defensive tackle on passing downs.




12. San Diego Chargers -- LB Michael Boley, Southern Miss.
'05 team needs: OLB, WR, FS, OT, NT, DE, ILB, G
Actual selection: LB Shawne Merriman, Maryland
With Merriman and Ware off the board, San Diego would still take an outside linebacker. We think the Chargers would select Boley at No. 12, even though in reality he didn't get drafted until well into the fifth round. Boley is not a pure 3-4 outside linebacker, but he is a great athlete with speed and would have been a great pick for the Chargers.




13. New Orleans Saints -- DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern
'05 team needs: OLB, OT, CB, DT, S, QB, RB
Actual selection: OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
The Chargers selected Castillo with the No. 28 pick, but we would move him up the re-draft board. With Brown gone, the Saints would have had to work the other side of the line. Castillo's presence surely would have beefed up a defensive line that struggles to pressure the quarterback and stop the run.




14. Carolina Panthers -- WR Roddy White, UAB
'05 team needs: ROT, WR, RB, DT, TE, FS, OLB, RG, CB
Actual selection: S Thomas Davis, Georgia
White struggled early in his career, but last year he finally showed signs of living up to his first-round status. Davis has been good but not great, and White would have given them that player they needed to take some pressure off WR Steve Smith.




15. Kansas City Chiefs -- DE Trent Cole, Cincinnati
'05 team needs: CB, DE, OLB, WR, DT, S, QB
Actual selection: LB Derrick Johnson, Texas
In 2005 the Chiefs didn't have DE Tamba Hali, so they were desperate for someone to line up opposite DE Jared Allen. Thus, even though Johnson has been a solid player, Cole would have been a slightly better pick.




16. Houston Texans -- OG Jason Brown, North Carolina
'05 team needs: OT, NT, OLB, SS, WR, ILB, DE, TE, CB
Actual selection: DT Travis Johnson, Florida State
Johnson has been good, but he hasn't had the huge impact the team hoped he would. Meanwhile, Brown would have been a solid addition for an offensive line that continues to be in flux year after year.




17. Cincinnati Bengals -- S Kerry Rhodes, Louisville
'05 team needs: DT, C, S, MLB, CB, TE, WR, OT
Actual selection: DE David Pollack, Georgia
The Bengals needed a playmaker on defense, and Rhodes certainly fits the bill. He would have stabilized a secondary that has struggled in recent years.




18. Minnesota Vikings -- TE Heath Miller, Virginia
'05 team needs: RG, WR, DE, K, DT, C, QB
Actual selection: DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin
Adding a reliable target like Miller would have done wonders for the Vikings' hapless passing attack. He is also a serviceable blocker who would be helping to pave the way for Adrian Peterson.




19. St. Louis Rams -- CB/FS Marlin Jackson, Michigan
'05 team needs: RT, G, S, DE, TE, CB, QB
Actual selection: OT Alex Barron, Florida State
The Rams' need at safety was greater than at cornerback, but Jackson can play both. He would be a solid contributor at either position for the Rams; their secondary would be much better with him in the lineup.




20. Dallas Cowboys -- CB Adam Jones, West Virginia
'05 team needs: OT, DE, OLB, FS, CB, WR, G, RB, QB
Actual selection: DE Marcus Spears, LSU
Putting Jones here was just too good to pass up. Who else would want him? The Cowboys are the only team interested in this incredibly talented yet controversial player.




21. Jacksonville Jaguars -- OT Khalif Barnes, Washington
'05 team needs: CB, OT, DE, TE, WR, S, DT, QB
Actual selection: WR Matt Jones, Arkansas
The Jaguars actually drafted Barnes in the second round and Jones in the first. Jones is obviously a huge flop, and while Barnes has not been spectacular, he did fill a major need at the difficult position of left tackle.




22. Baltimore Ravens -- OLB Derrick Johnson, Texas
'05 team needs: OLB, WR, CB, FS, RT, G, DT, QB
Actual selection: WR Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
The Ravens needed linebacker help from the 2005 draft. Someone with Johnson's range and playmaking ability would have been an intriguing addition to Baltimore's defense.




23. Oakland Raiders -- LB Kirk Morrison, San Diego State
'05 team needs: OLB, S, ILB, G, NT, DE, QB
Actual selection: CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska
Here is another case of a team taking a player in Round 1 whom they actually selected in a later round. But where would Oakland's defense be without Morrison? He's a good fit.




24. Green Bay Packers -- S Oshiomogho Atogwe, Stanford
'05 team needs: FS, DE, LB, G, SS, QB, DT, CB
Actual selection: QB Aaron Rodgers, California
In 2005 the Packers had a glaring need at safety, and they still aren't set at this position. Atogwe is not a household name, but he got his hands on the ball quite a bit last year and still has a lot of upside.




25. Washington Redskins -- QB Aaron Rodgers, California
'05 team needs: ILB, DE, CB, DT, SS, G, TE
Actual selection: QB Jason Campbell, Auburn
This was a tough call between Rodgers and Campbell. While we believe Campbell will eventually be a fine starting quarterback, Rodgers has not yet had the chance to prove himself and was rated higher on most draft boards in 2005.




26. Seattle Seahawks -- RB Marion Barber, Minnesota
'05 team needs: ILB, CB, OLB, C, WR, DE, QB, G
Actual selection: C Chris Spencer, Mississippi
The Seahawks don't know it yet, but RB Shaun Alexander is about to fall apart from overuse. There isn't a suitable player on the re-draft board who would have filled the Seahawks' 2005 needs, so we're giving them the best player available. Coach Mike Holmgren will thank us down the road.




27. Atlanta Falcons -- OT Nick Kaczur, Toledo
'05 team needs: FS, LT, DT, WR, CB, DE, OLB, TE
Actual selection: WR Roddy White, UAB
The Falcons' offensive line needed help in '05 and remains in major disarray to this day. There wasn't a huge difference maker left this late in Round 1, but Kaczur is a versatile starter who can play right tackle and both guard positions.


28. San Diego Chargers -- WR Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado
'05 team needs: OLB, WR, FS, OT, NT, DE, ILB, G
Actual selection: DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern
In 2005 the Chargers needed a wideout, which is why they spent a second-round selection on this huge receiver from a tiny college football program. The arrow is pointing up on Jackson as he looks to be coming into his own.




29. Indianapolis Colts -- CB Kelvin Hayden, Illinois
'05 team needs: ILB, DT, G, CB, OLB, RB, OT
Actual selection: CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan
This is the last situation where we put a player with his true team. Hayden is now a starting corner for the Colts, and, as evidenced by their actual selections of both Hayden and Jackson, Indianapolis obviously had a need at this position back in 2005.




30. Pittsburgh Steelers -- DE Chris Canty, Virginia
'05 team needs: CB, RT, TE, FS, ILB, G, DE, RB, WR, OLB
Actual selection: TE Heath Miller, Virginia
In '05 the Steelers' starting defensive end, Kimo Von Oelhoffen, was nearing the end of his rope, so they needed an infusion of young talent at this position. Canty, as he is proving now in Dallas, would have been an excellent fit for Pittsburgh's 3-4 front.




31. Philadelphia Eagles -- RB Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois
'05 team needs: DE, WR, RB, TE, DT, S, OT, CB, G
Actual selection: DT Mike Patterson, USC
The Eagles were looking for a big, powerful complement to RB Brian Westbrook and would have hit a home run if they pulled the trigger on Jacobs. Imagine that one-two punch behind Philly's massive line.




32. New England Patriots -- LB Barrett Ruud, Nebraska
'05 team needs: ILB, G, OT, CB, S, OLB, WR, FB
Actual selection: OG Logan Mankins, Fresno State
Ruud is the best player left on the re-draft board. While coach Bill Belichick does not typically use high draft picks on linebackers, the Pats did have a need at the position in 2005, so we felt this was a good fit. Plus, Ruud fits the mold of a Belichick-type player and is a solid all-around playmaker.

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A Perfect Score
04-10-2008, 12:47 PM
i would have loved to see DJ in a ravens uni...as in, LOVED to see it

Cashmoney
04-10-2008, 12:51 PM
Oooohhh. Ronnie Brown. Just the thought of him as a Titan gives me happy feelings in my pants. Glad we got Roos in real life though or that draft class would've been bad.

JagHombre22
04-10-2008, 12:59 PM
I'll agree that Barnes would have been a better pick than Jones....but we got him in the second round so not sure how much sense that makes to give the Jags Barnes in this redid mock...

TheGreatEscape
04-10-2008, 01:01 PM
Parcells would never have grabbed Tuck, he just doesn't fit in parcells' 3-4

Flyboy
04-10-2008, 01:01 PM
The Saints straight up STOLE Brown from the Panthers. Lawlz.

DragonFireKai
04-10-2008, 01:02 PM
No chance the Eagles take Jacobs over Patterson.

LonghornsLegend
04-10-2008, 01:02 PM
LMAO what a beastly draft, pacman and Justin Tuck alright :D Although I wouldnt trade in D-ware for anyone in any combination, I wanted Tuck anyway so that makes me happy to see it..Guess this validates Gholston going #1 if people believe he can have the same impact as ware and merriman, although I disagree with merriman being the better player, its seemingly been 1a and 1b the entire way.



*EDIT*


I just noticed that Chris Canty and Barber also made the 1st rd, we really did end up with alot of talent that draft...But no way in hell id give up those 2 either, im still praying they get locked up.

LonghornsLegend
04-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Parcells would never have grabbed Tuck, he just doesn't fit in parcells' 3-4

Actually he does, we were interested and I heard many people talk about reports saying we wanted him that draft and were targeting him(another cowboy fan that has a better memory then me on the subject can go into detail on that)...He's actually a great fit...He could have a role like Canty as our 3-4 DE, and in nickel situations he could slide inside to tackle and still get a consistent pass rush.

umphrey
04-10-2008, 01:14 PM
******** Packers draft.

If we traded Aaron Rodgers for Atogwe there would be riots in the streets of GB.

Go_Eagles77
04-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Patterson is still more valuable to us than Jacobs.

Nitschke-Hawk
04-10-2008, 02:37 PM
Jason Brown??????????????????/

Oh yeah and O.J. AHH NO WAY OTOGWE

TitanHope
04-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Smart pick of Ronnie Brown for the Titans. The Titans were actually wanting one of either Caddillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, or Cedric Benson on Draft Day, but seeing as how all three were picked before #6, they settled on PacMan Jones. But, seeing as how RB, CB, OT, and DE were needs in that Draft, I wouldn't be against Justin Tuck, Marion Barber, or Michael Roos at #6. Actually, I'd put my money on Barber, as Jeff Fisher has given him high praise.

It's nice to see Roos get recognition for being the immense steal that he was in the 2nd RD.

Jay
04-10-2008, 02:58 PM
So the Pats drafted two offensive lineman that would have been first rounders, and one that would have been top 10. Awesome.

619
04-10-2008, 03:09 PM
Yay Morrison stays a Raider haha

The Legend
04-10-2008, 03:14 PM
i would take Ronnie Brown over Frank Gore

CC.SD
04-10-2008, 03:16 PM
For so long i was hearing crap about how Vincent Jackson got overdrafted. Not so much anymore.

These things are pretty stupid anyways. Go Merriman.

umphrey
04-10-2008, 03:28 PM
Reading over the whole thing, it's really dumb. Why would Dallas want to use the 22nd overall selection on Pacman when they are currently offering a 7th + player for him, and refusing to up the amount?

Go_Eagles77
04-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Glad to see Cole in there, he was amazing value in the 5th round.

PACKmanN
04-10-2008, 04:10 PM
we still wouldn't take anyone but Rodgers. Our gm wants the BPA and will not take a player because of need. And just to remind you we still took Rodgers over that safety 3 times during the draft, why wouldn't we do it again?

keylime_5
04-10-2008, 04:14 PM
This is stupid, why would the Browns pass on Braylon Edwards for Jammal Brown (who is a good player no doubt) if we had a do-over? We wouldn't, this guy just did that so his little fake mock draft redo would work better.

CC.SD
04-10-2008, 04:24 PM
This is stupid, why would the Browns pass on Braylon Edwards for Jammal Brown (who is a good player no doubt) if we had a do-over? We wouldn't, this guy just did that so his little fake mock draft redo would work better.

Yeah, Braylon was the only real franchise player in that top tier of players. Obviously some real franchise players came out of that draft, but pre-draft I always wondered why Braylon wasn't being given #1 consideration.

d34ng3l021
04-10-2008, 04:25 PM
Falcons with 2 top15 picks. Not a bad draft for them I guess.

keylime_5
04-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Yeah, Braylon was the only real franchise player in that top tier of players. Obviously some real franchise players came out of that draft, but pre-draft I always wondered why Braylon wasn't being given #1 consideration.

San Fran had Braylon #1 on their draft board in 2005 as did probably most every other team in the draft except a couple who had Smith or Brown higher I do believe, but the need for a QB is why they didn't pick Braylon #1. I know Miami sent out the smokescreen that year that they wanted Braylon before picking Brown. Miami wanted Alex Smith the most that year. But out of the top 10 the only pick so far that year who is a superstar right now is Edwards, but Brown and Pacman have that potential in them. Smith, Benson, Williams, Williamson, Rolle, and even Rogers haven't been top 10 worthy to date.

fenikz
04-10-2008, 06:29 PM
Michael Roos?

more like michael whoos

...see what i did there

vidae
04-10-2008, 06:42 PM
Oh hell no, I'd much rather have DJ than Cole. This is pretty cool though.

YAYareaRB
04-10-2008, 09:04 PM
Merriman and Lawson at OLB? WOW

Mr. Stiller
04-10-2008, 10:00 PM
I love Chris Canty, but he wouldn't have been the selection.

Coach Mitch loves day 2 DE's.

Nitschke-Hawk
04-10-2008, 10:26 PM
Merriman and Lawson at OLB? WOW

Yeah... but if I were a 49er fan I'd be jacked to get any real rush backer opposite Lawson. lol.

iloxygenil
04-10-2008, 10:54 PM
2 Falcons gettin some love...2 of the most important players on our team. Good to see too.

thebow305
04-10-2008, 11:13 PM
I love Ronnie, but a DaMarcus Ware/Darren McFadden combo is looking pretty nice right now.

I will do with my Vernon Gholston/Ronnie Brown combo just fine for now though.

CC.SD
04-11-2008, 04:15 AM
Merriman and Lawson at OLB? WOW

Plus Willis. Yikes.