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theogt
04-10-2008, 04:40 PM
http://www.ktbb.com/nfldraft/

Malcolm Kelly sets up another workout…
Filed under: NFL Draft Notes — Smoaky @ 1:00 pm

KTBB Sports has learned OU wide receiver Malcolm Kelly will hold another workout on Sunday, April 13th, in Atlanta, under the direction of former Green Bay Packers receiver Boyd Dowler. Apparently Pro Scouts will not be able to attend, but Dowler will be sending the video and information to all 32 NFL teams and various media outlets.

This coming on the heels of a tumultous workout in Norman on Wednesday.

David Smoak

UKfan
04-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Can't blame the guy, that time from the last pro day can't get much worse.

Joeyjr09
04-10-2008, 04:44 PM
Sounds like a cop out. Have a workout but don't let scouts go. And then send highlight reel of the workout. Can you get more desperate?

Scouts are gonna see right thru this and likely view it as childish and immature to blame other people and try to do damage control instead of just accepting what he has brought on himself and handle it with class as a Pro should.

Larry121283
04-10-2008, 04:44 PM
LOL @ "no pro scouts can attend"...awesome.

When they send the chopped up video, his 40 will be fast forwarded to show he really ran a 2.4 40-yard dash.

Good, quality work.

cdub11
04-10-2008, 04:46 PM
wow that is amazing, no scouts allowed, that doesnt sound like it will help him any

theogt
04-10-2008, 04:46 PM
This is an epic pre-draft meltdown in the making.

RedVision
04-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Kelly should just wait and limit the damages. 100% agree with Joeyjr09.

PACKmanN
04-10-2008, 04:52 PM
how will this help anything? How could GMs or scouts trust the numbers he puts? This is just making him look selhfish.

UKfan
04-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Shows he cares if nothing else...

Thunder&Lightning
04-10-2008, 04:57 PM
yes does show he cares but I dont understand why he doesnt want scouts to go... makes it look like he has something to hide.

Yatta!
04-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Talk about desperation, there's not a scout in the world who'll take his new 'private' time over the one he ran yesterday. Now he's just looking like he's got too much of an ego.

BaLLiN
04-10-2008, 05:17 PM
any other OU players scheduling with Kelly? Reggie Smith maybe?

TheGreatEscape
04-10-2008, 05:19 PM
he can't possibly not have someone reputable there to validit his times, maybe no scouts but if he can get stoops or his position coach time it.

psly2124
04-10-2008, 05:22 PM
Sounds like he will cut and splice the workout tape. Maybe now he can run under a 4.6. Maybe the scouts should say that if we're not allowed your off our draftboard. That will fix his attitude.

regoob2
04-10-2008, 05:26 PM
I can't wait to see what he runs his 38 yard dash in. I don't think scouts will care about this video all that much. They already saw enough at the first pro day. I still think Kelly will be a good posession reciever in the NFL.

SKim172
04-10-2008, 05:26 PM
About scouts not being allowed, could that be because of some sort of NFL restriction? Maybe some rule regarding how many times a prospect can work out for the scouts?

I dunno, just a question.

DragonFireKai
04-10-2008, 05:30 PM
I think it might be that Scouts don't have the time to attend the workout on such short notice. Kind of like how the UTC players got shafted.

brat316
04-10-2008, 05:32 PM
Teams bring in players to work them out without the agents so it can't be a rule thing. He must be hiding something.

Geo
04-10-2008, 05:33 PM
When I read the title, I thought "Why not? It's not like he can make it worse for himself."



I was wrong.

regoob2
04-10-2008, 05:34 PM
Teams bring in players to work them out without the agents so it can't be a rule thing. He must be hiding something.What's there to hide he just ran a 4.68.

keylime_5
04-10-2008, 05:35 PM
He was really pissed about his 4.7+s on Oklahoma's soft/slow turf and knows it will cost him millions by standing on those times. If he can run a 4.5 or less like he says he did in Atlanta before then it can only help a little if anything.

CC.SD
04-10-2008, 05:38 PM
This guy is just all about the money. I bet teams pick up on that.

regoob2
04-10-2008, 05:47 PM
This guy is just all about the money. I bet teams pick up on that.Is that a bad thing?

LonghornsLegend
04-10-2008, 06:50 PM
Scouts are going to adjust times anyway, Ive read numerous articles that said the same thing, slow tracks, fast tracks, astro or field, they know how to properly adjust times...Besides that, whats the point if you wont let pro scouts go?

brat316
04-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Yeah I read the article on NFL.com saying the scouts wanted him to run on the mush stuff because thats what they really play on. They adjust times if the track is to fast.

Also Malcolm had a choice what to run on, he had the wrong shoes to run on the mush track, and he still choose to run on that, instead of the hard Practice Field track.

keylime_5
04-10-2008, 07:28 PM
That's fine, but it's not fair that Malcolm gets judged on softer slower track while basically every other WR prospect gets judged on the hard fast track in Indianapolis.

brat316
04-10-2008, 07:30 PM
well we don't know how much scouts and gm tweak times

MetSox17
04-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Yeah, i agree with the other person that said that it might be a restriction the NFL has on the times scouts are able to attend live workouts with players.

I'm sure Scott will have some better inside info on this, but i'm nearly 100% sure that that is the reason why he can't have scouts there.

Vikes99ej
04-10-2008, 07:44 PM
I take comfort in knowing the Vikings won't draft this headcase.

swollja
04-10-2008, 08:36 PM
i have a feeling he's gonna try crazy one hand sideline catches like ten times and only send the 1 he caught

LonghornsLegend
04-10-2008, 08:41 PM
That's fine, but it's not fair that Malcolm gets judged on softer slower track while basically every other WR prospect gets judged on the hard fast track in Indianapolis.

It does not matter, scouts arent stupid they know the difference, they know how to adjust his times to indy times, even if Kelly ran a high 4.4 it would still be adjusted and they wouldnt write off his other time as well...Its not like scouts just look at the time they run and thats it, they know the difference between a fast and slow track, and even guys who have great pro days those times are adjusted to the combine track as well.

Joeyjr09
04-10-2008, 08:56 PM
That's fine, but it's not fair that Malcolm gets judged on softer slower track while basically every other WR prospect gets judged on the hard fast track in Indianapolis.

Dude, even if you adjust for the fast track at the combine. It's pretty sad if your a WR and Quentin Groves can outrun you. I know Groves is one of the faster DL in the draft but still. If you are an elite level WR, you don't put up DL type numbers in the speed department, regardless of surface.

Geo
04-10-2008, 09:01 PM
I thought I read Kelly ran on FieldTurf, which is what the Colts use in the RCA Dome. Except I believe it was outdoors at Oklahoma, that could have altered it somewhat I suppose.

Certainly, it wasn't the AstroTurf (if I recall correctly) that Kelly wanted to run on. Which I don't believe any NFL teams play on anymore. :rolleyes:

IlliniVikeFan23
04-10-2008, 09:27 PM
I want to see Malcolm do well, but in a way I don't because I want my Vikes to steal him in the 2nd round. IMO, this guy is still the 2nd best WR in the class behind DeSean Jackson and would be a great fit in the Vikings offense as a slot guy. You don't need blazing speed to be able to go across the middle and catch everything thrown your way. I would be estatic if the Vikings got him in the 2nd...I wouldn't even be that mad if we still drafted him in the 1st round.

brat316
04-10-2008, 09:30 PM
He wanted to run on Astro Turf in the indoor infield. They made him run or he had the choice to run on artifical turf which is softer and mooshee. The artifical turf was on the side and he ran on that. It just that the scouts wanted to see if he would run on it, because that is what most teams use, or something like that mooshe grash or turf. Its on NFl.com

Joeyjr09
04-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Basically, he wanted to run on the fast track turf that is NOT used in the NFL but instead he was forced to run on the softer and slower turf that is in NFL stadiums.

No Scout is gonna give him a pass on the bad time because the surface he wanted is not an NFL surface. He ran on the NFL surface and teams will judge him based on that.

DJC
04-10-2008, 09:52 PM
I don't think this will effect his stock at all. I would think that scouts already have their evaluation for him set. A video isn't going to improve his stock, even if it shows him running in the 4.5s.

TheBuffaloBills
04-10-2008, 09:57 PM
He will probably run the 40 like 5 times and theyll send in the fastest. They will send in his highest vert jump out of his 20 tries.

Gatz
04-10-2008, 10:18 PM
How Kelly and Bowman have fell...

LonghornsLegend
04-10-2008, 10:34 PM
It just seems as if he's trying too hard now, if he goes out and runs a worse time then how does he look? The whole thing sounds funny, if pro scouts cannot go, whose going to judge how good he looked? What officials are going to report his time, his agent?

Flyboy
04-11-2008, 01:03 AM
Should have went to UT imo.

Sportsfan486
04-11-2008, 02:28 AM
Basically, he wanted to run on the fast track turf that is NOT used in the NFL but instead he was forced to run on the softer and slower turf that is in NFL stadiums.

No Scout is gonna give him a pass on the bad time because the surface he wanted is not an NFL surface. He ran on the NFL surface and teams will judge him based on that.

Take .2 seconds off every time at the combine then, because that's probably the difference (at least) between the combine 40 surface and fieldturf.

Try to run on a field and then on a sidewalk or street. You run a LOT faster the harder the surface is.

ChezPower4
04-11-2008, 03:10 AM
He has to do better but you have to wonder if scouts will even care?

CC.SD
04-11-2008, 03:11 AM
Is that a bad thing?

Of course it is.

regoob2
04-11-2008, 06:31 AM
Of course it is.
How is that a bad thing? To me it shows that he wants to succeed at everything. Maybe it's me cause I do sales but greed (to an extent) drives success.

Caddy
04-11-2008, 06:36 AM
How Kelly and Bowman have fell...

Yeah they definitely have fallen. It happens every year unfortunately.

the decider13
04-11-2008, 08:23 AM
I'm with chargercohen, if you read what kelly says, you can see he is another selfish reciever who is all about the money.

Shame, I really liked him at OU and almost wanted him on the broncos. At least we see who he really is.

btw, I think it's hilarious that there are now scouts allowed. No way this guy makes it in to round one after this showing.

no love
04-11-2008, 05:45 PM
I think the Dwayne Jarrett/Mike Williams "can't get seperation" stigma is going to be all over Kelly. I don't see a team drafting him till after the second round.

Carolina took Jarrett with a second rounder and he couldn't get on the field, I doubt a team gambles again. It's a shame for Kelly, but he might turn out to be a steal for some team.

Sportsfan486
04-12-2008, 04:12 AM
Yeah they definitely have fallen. It happens every year unfortunately.

Kelly hasn't fallen THAT much, imo. I think he was overhyped by a lot of people to begin with and is going to fall more into the late 1st/2nd range he deserves.

Bowman PLUMMETED.

Bills2083
04-14-2008, 12:54 PM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm (http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm)

http://newsok.com/article/3229308 (http://newsok.com/article/3229308)

Ex-Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly (http://newsok.com/article/3229308) will run again at O.U. This time he'll run on AstroTurf.

DD.comment: According to Wikipedia's database, Buffalo is the only team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_stadiums) in the N.F.L. that still uses a form (http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.php?sid=155553&banner_id=12039540&variation_id=1023516&uts=1208147720&cpc=302e303932&keyword_id=24472&inline=y&zk_id=1378134&ab=168362081&sscup=2aa7a3414fadc963a24dc9ecf62bd052&sscra=d4c27920afb3b84afa000facc9527380&ub=1269470499&rs=&r=) of AstroTurf. So it seems to us that Kelly and his agent may have really believed all the Online and newstand mocks that had him going to Buffalo #11 overall and now they want to prove to the Bills that he's fast enough to excel at Ralph Wilson Stadium.

regoob2
04-14-2008, 01:05 PM
Is there any word on what he ran?

budlitebrad
04-16-2008, 12:33 PM
According to Sirius, he ran 4.65 on the fast track.

The Giants and Packers were two of the three teams present.

LonghornsLegend
04-16-2008, 12:37 PM
3rd round, meet Malcolm Kelly.

catcher_0_3
04-16-2008, 12:48 PM
So with this interesting information, where would you be upset to see your team pass at Malcolm? I don't see him making it to the 3rd round, but I could understand if it happens.

swollja
04-16-2008, 12:50 PM
According to Sirius, he ran 4.65 on the fast track.

The Giants and Packers were two of the three teams present.


wow all that for -.04

cdub11
04-16-2008, 12:55 PM
now his rant about the first surface looks even worse, if thats possible

LonghornsLegend
04-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Is anybody sure he actually had his workout already?

Updating a previous item, the agent for Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly says his client will run on Astroturf for pro scouts on April 16.

The idea of Kelly restricting anyone from watching him workout was strange to say the least. Astroturf is not an NFL playing surface anymore, however, so even if he runs in the 4.4s we doubt it will help his stock whatsoever.


per roto.


16th is today, unless there are conflicting reports which I wouldnt doubt.

CC.SD
04-16-2008, 01:14 PM
This kid...is screwing up. Badly.

budlitebrad
04-16-2008, 01:32 PM
More from Sirius...

Kelly's agent is disputing 4.65, saying the times ranged from 4.46 to 4.61.

LonghornsLegend
04-16-2008, 01:35 PM
How would his times range that far apart, lol this is crazy...Good thing no scouts showed up, now Kelly just expects everyone to take the word of his agent:rolleyes:

Pathetic, teams are probably using his initial workout anyway...He's a 4.6 guy however he wants to cut it.

Geo
04-16-2008, 01:45 PM
I blame all the coaches, all the players, and the entire staff at Oklahoma. I also blame the scouts who didn't accurately use their stop watches to time Kelly's run, and I also blame the producers of the turf. But not Kelly, it's not his fault. Everyone is trying to bring him down.

etk
04-16-2008, 01:47 PM
Why do people care so much? It's just a forty time, and really has little to no bearing on his NFL potential. He's 6'4" 225 and has separated fairly consistently against good defensive backs. Kelly is a fool for getting so defensive over his athletic testing and some of you are fools for caring.

Sportsfan486
04-16-2008, 03:20 PM
Why do people care so much? It's just a forty time, and really has little to no bearing on his NFL potential. He's 6'4" 225 and has separated fairly consistently against good defensive backs. Kelly is a fool for getting so defensive over his athletic testing and some of you are fools for caring.

No one DID care that much UNTIL he threw a hissy fit and then held another workout... and bombed AGAIN.

I was one of the people that stood up for him, to a degree, after his first workout and said it was an unfair situation to him. Then he throws this workout and runs about the same.

I like that he has the fire to want to excel, you've gotta like that. BUT I don't like his immaturity and whining.

keylime_5
04-16-2008, 03:22 PM
I think his injuries and tailing off of his production the 2nd half of his junior year are why he's a 2nd round pick now, not b/c of his time. A 4.4 wouldn't have hurt by any means of course.

Joeyjr09
04-16-2008, 03:40 PM
Why do people care so much? It's just a forty time, and really has little to no bearing on his NFL potential. He's 6'4" 225 and has separated fairly consistently against good defensive backs. Kelly is a fool for getting so defensive over his athletic testing and some of you are fools for caring.

It has nothing to do with his 40. People hate whiners. Plain and simple.

Especially the ones that are about to make it rich by playing a game.

Strongside
04-16-2008, 03:57 PM
4.63 and 4.65

Link (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807cc5dc&template=with-video&confirm=true)

LonghornsLegend
04-16-2008, 04:31 PM
Why do people care so much? It's just a forty time, and really has little to no bearing on his NFL potential. He's 6'4" 225 and has separated fairly consistently against good defensive backs. Kelly is a fool for getting so defensive over his athletic testing and some of you are fools for caring.

I get the feeling you would be ragging on Sweed if this were him, but since you were high on Kelly before hand you have to stick with your guns which is fine...You were killing him before about seperation but now that both times are out, its not important anymore.

Scott Wright
04-16-2008, 05:49 PM
What's Kelly's excuse THIS time?

Paranoidmoonduck
04-16-2008, 05:54 PM
What's Kelly's excuse THIS time?

Communists...

brat316
04-16-2008, 05:58 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807cc5dc&template=with-video&confirm=true

link to what he did run

he was better of running on the stuff the scouts recommened, when he first ran it. He ran on the fast track and still sucked, and since scouts will adjust for surface he really runs a 4.70. This just shows how slow he really is. He drops to the bottom of the second now maybe third round IMO.

Yeah someone is going to have separation problems unless he learns how to run route perfectly.

Bills2083
04-16-2008, 06:05 PM
EDIT: wrong thread

Babylon
04-16-2008, 06:06 PM
I get the feeling you would be ragging on Sweed if this were him, but since you were high on Kelly before hand you have to stick with your guns which is fine...You were killing him before about seperation but now that both times are out, its not important anymore.

People are crucifying Kelly for his slow times, can you imagine the heat Jordy Nelson would be getting.

And etk how are the big 12 secondaries all of a sudden so great when everyone has been criticizing them all year?

Scott Wright
04-16-2008, 07:23 PM
People are crucifying Kelly for his slow times, can you imagine the heat Jordy Nelson would be getting.

And etk how are the big 12 secondaries all of a sudden so great when everyone has been criticizing them all year?

Jordy Nelson could be drafted ahead of Malcolm Kelly.

LonghornsLegend
04-16-2008, 07:27 PM
People are crucifying Kelly for his slow times, can you imagine the heat Jordy Nelson would be getting.

And etk how are the big 12 secondaries all of a sudden so great when everyone has been criticizing them all year?

Everyone except Etk, he was blasted Sweed when I tried to explain that he was faster then Kelly was, and he said Sweed was the one that would have seperation problems, now you have Kelly with a high 4.6 and how 40 times dont matter because he seperated just fine in College...Jarrett ran away from everyone in the Pac-10 too, so did Mike Williams, all those guys look explosive on film, and run away from DB's to the extent Kelly does...I dont see why its any difference now...He's a 3rd rd pick now especially with the concern over his knees, he needs to man up, accept where he gets drafted, and continue to work to prove people wrong and that he can play.

ThePudge
04-16-2008, 07:27 PM
Jordy Nelson could be drafted ahead of Malcolm Kelly.

From what I hear, Washington is in love with Nelson. A real possibility with the 51st Overall pick. Of course, Nelson could go a little bit higher, but 51, not 23, is what I'm led to believe they're interested in using on Nelson. You hear anything similar?

As for Kelly, his performance as of late has been, well, lackluster. Still, if he falls to 46 I'd have a hard time seeing the Bengals, who are very interested, passing him up.

Thunder&Lightning
04-16-2008, 07:29 PM
I cant remember the last time a player has fallen this far so fast this close to the draft... Gotta feel bad for this guy.

BaLLiN
04-16-2008, 07:29 PM
giants interested in Kelly? at the end of the second would be amazing, but i doubt he falls past mid 2nd

etk
04-16-2008, 07:32 PM
It has nothing to do with his 40. People hate whiners. Plain and simple.

Especially the ones that are about to make it rich by playing a game.

That's fine if you are going to criticize him on his actions off the field, but everyone is so interested in his 40 times when it really doesn't matter much.

I get the feeling you would be ragging on Sweed if this were him, but since you were high on Kelly before hand you have to stick with your guns which is fine...You were killing him before about seperation but now that both times are out, its not important anymore.

Ragging on Sweed about his 40 times? Not really. Even if Sweed ran a 4.8 I'd still know he's a competent deep threat that's just not very quick or explosive and struggles to separate or change directions. If Sweed whined like Kelly it would be worse because he's supposed to be a high-character guy and leader, so you might be right there. You can keep calling me a Sweed hater just because I prefer Kelly, but it's getting pretty annoying.

People are crucifying Kelly for his slow times, can you imagine the heat Jordy Nelson would be getting.

And etk how are the big 12 secondaries all of a sudden so great when everyone has been criticizing them all year?

I can't really imagine it because I can't imagine Nelson running a poor 40. He's a good straight-line guy, but then again I don't need a 40 time to tell me this.

Okay I said good, not great, but I guess that was an overstatement. The Big 12 secondaries were quite poor but how many receivers faced better? He exposed Randy Phillips who was considered a top-10 CB heading into the season, but that was a mixture of Kelly's greatness and Phillips playing out of position. Only Oklahoma State really shut him down last year but I believe he was hurt that game.

Geo
04-16-2008, 07:49 PM
Jordy Nelson could be drafted ahead of Malcolm Kelly.
Well duh, Jordy is the first overall pick. Sheesh.

:D

Flyboy
04-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Jordy Nelson could be drafted ahead of Malcolm Kelly.

That's when you know things are bad.

etk
04-16-2008, 11:13 PM
I cant remember the last time a player has fallen this far so fast this close to the draft... Gotta feel bad for this guy.

I don't think he's fallen that far...he was probably going to be an early 2nd rounder and now he looks like a late 2nd rounder at the worst.

Adarius Bowman has dropped about as much as a person can:

Midseason/postseason - top 20 potential
Senior Bowl - 2nd/3rd rounder
Combine - mid rounder
Arrest - Late round/UDFA

Granted this has been a full regression over a year, not 2 interrelated incidents like Kelly.

toonsterwu
04-17-2008, 10:02 PM
Side note - but did people catch the comment in Hashmarks?

There had been reports that Kelly was going to participate in a private workout in Atlanta over the weekend, but he ended up running again in Norman. An AFC scout told me that Kelly was clocked between 4.49 and 4.61 in the 40-yard dash. Since scouts usually add .05 to .10 to account for AstroTurf, you'll probably see Kelly's times reported as more than 4.6. Here's some video footage of Kelly's most recent workout.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks

TACKLE
04-18-2008, 11:22 AM
Nice find Toon. Here's the video of his workout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyGnt_RecDs (2:53)

MetSox17
04-18-2008, 11:56 AM
Nice find Toon. Here's the video of his workout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyGnt_RecDs (2:53)

He looked solid.
Would have been better to see the ball zipped to him instead.
He looked like he had to slow down for the ball a few times..

But then again, it was Eric Crouch...

LonghornsLegend
04-18-2008, 12:26 PM
Ragging on Sweed about his 40 times? Not really. Even if Sweed ran a 4.8 I'd still know he's a competent deep threat that's just not very quick or explosive and struggles to separate or change directions. If Sweed whined like Kelly it would be worse because he's supposed to be a high-character guy and leader, so you might be right there. You can keep calling me a Sweed hater just because I prefer Kelly, but it's getting pretty annoying.

No your getting the wrong impression, I just remember you in particuliar when we were having our Sweed, Kelly arguments months ago, and you were telling me Kelly was faster and more explosive, and seperates better, and I told you the exact opposite and that I didnt see it on film...I just think its funny how your going about it now after the times, you would be singing a completely different tune if Kelly ran a high 4.4 and Sweed ran a high 4.6, you would be saying thats what you said all along...It doesnt really make sense for you to be saying he will seperate so easy when at this point he's at the level of Dwayne Jarrett in terms of explosiveness.

etk
04-18-2008, 12:37 PM
No your getting the wrong impression, I just remember you in particuliar when we were having our Sweed, Kelly arguments months ago, and you were telling me Kelly was faster and more explosive, and seperates better, and I told you the exact opposite and that I didnt see it on film...I just think its funny how your going about it now after the times, you would be singing a completely different tune if Kelly ran a high 4.4 and Sweed ran a high 4.6, you would be saying thats what you said all along...It doesnt really make sense for you to be saying he will seperate so easy when at this point he's at the level of Dwayne Jarrett in terms of explosiveness.

Kelly is still more explosive than Sweed and separated better on film. Sweed is about 0.1 faster in a straight line 40 yard dash but I've never seen Sweed burn someone like Kelly did to Randy Phillips.

I wouldn't be singing any tune if Kelly ran a 4.2 and Sweed ran a 4.8. I take the time to watch the players play on live television so I can see how they perform as football players. I'm not the type that judges a player based on a number on a sheet or web page.

Before you try comparing Kelly to Jarrett, why don't you watch the video that was posted and try to repeat that comparison. Kelly is quick, fluid and explosive, and I think he will be a very good #1 receiver in the NFL. Sweed just doesn't have the ability to separate that could make him a go-to-guy, but he will be a very good possession receiver and red zone threat because of his hands, body control, toughness, and work ethic. They're different players and it's very hard for you to accept that being a Texas fan with a biased opinion.

LonghornsLegend
04-18-2008, 01:10 PM
They're different players and it's very hard for you to accept that being a Texas fan with a biased opinion.



I like how you point that out yet I never mentioned it when you told me there was no way Kenny Phillips would make it to pick 20, or that Calias Cambell is a sure fire 1st rounder, but I'm sure your Miami bias has nothing to do with that.


Just for your reference I dont like every Texas prospect every year, Im not high on Charles, Okam, or Tony Hills, it doesn't make me biased because I just so happen to like a Texas product you know that right? It be different if we were talking about a NAIA school but we do produce some talent, so stop acting like if I defend a Texas player my bias gets in the way but your mr. credible about Miami's two 1st rd picks.

etk
04-18-2008, 01:27 PM
I like how you point that out yet I never mentioned it when you told me there was no way Kenny Phillips would make it to pick 20, or that Calias Cambell is a sure fire 1st rounder, but I'm sure your Miami bias has nothing to do with that.


Just for your reference I dont like every Texas prospect every year, Im not high on Charles, Okam, or Tony Hills, it doesn't make me biased because I just so happen to like a Texas product you know that right? It be different if we were talking about a NAIA school but we do produce some talent, so stop acting like if I defend a Texas player my bias gets in the way but your mr. credible about Miami's two 1st rd picks.

1) Kenny Phillips will make the top 20
2) I don't think I ever said Calais Campbell is a sure fire 1st rounder after his stock dropped, and I'm definitely not confident that will happen right now. Like you said, I'm not very high on Campbell because he didn't prepare for the offseason like he should have and his career is on a downward turn. I think he's a heck of a football player but we may never see that again.

Just for your reference Kenny Phillips is the only Miami prospect that I favour, but I defend Campbell and sometimes Kyle Wright because there are opinions out there that are simply misinformed and incorrect.

You act like I'm the board's resident Sweed hater when really I just like Malcolm Kelly and feel he's underrated.

keylime_5
04-18-2008, 01:55 PM
Zobel's blog says that the Redskins told Kelly he won't be there when they pick. Go read it to see, some of his stuff is wrong but some of it is good. If that's true then Kelly probably won't make it past Philly who are said to really like him.