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regoob2
04-12-2008, 05:17 PM
I'm curious to know what everyone wants for the bears come draft day. Lets see what everyones ideal bears mock would be.

1. Ryan Clady, OT. I think Clady will be available at #11 and if he is there I hope we would trade our 1st and late 3rd (SD) and if need be a late rounder for the Bills 1st. After Clady I feel the OT class drops off. Clady is a lot better than Williams, Otah, and Albert imo.

2. Brohm, QB if he's available, if not Malcolm Kelly, WR. Brohm would be a perfect fit in our O. Kelly is still a very good WR and I love his attitude. He is outspoken and wants to win and has never been a me above the team guy. He has strength and can beat the jam which is the major disadvantage of his lack of speed.

3. Matt Forte, RB. Big powerful back who the team is high on. Forte has great size and ran a good 40 even though he doesnt have homerun speed he can pull away from some safeties. Forte would be a good fit for our power running style and could give Benson the kick in the pants he needs or start if need be.

Comments welcome and post yours!

Gay Ork Wang
04-12-2008, 06:46 PM
14. Rashard Mendenhall
TRADE UP: Gosder Cherilus
3th Round: Would prolly be a late one, maybe Flacco or Woodson if they drop, maybe Caldwell or Kelly

Bearsfan123
04-13-2008, 01:00 AM
Depends on whos left.

but
14: IF Williams is gone, and Albert doesnt have the value of the 14th pick
then Rashard Mendenhall should be the pick IMO. I am thinking he may be the best back from this class when alls said and done.
TRADE UP with Seattle: Gosder Cherilous RT might cost alot but its worth it to get a good tackle.
3rd: With alot of value gone, Kerry Brown OG- We need a WR but unforetunately none fall to us in the late third worth the spot so we continue our line upgrade.

regoob2
04-13-2008, 09:31 AM
I'd prefer Jonathan Stewart over every RB in this class. He is huge and ripped and can catch the ball out of the backfield.

Bearsfan123
04-13-2008, 09:35 AM
When I watched him (in like 1 game to be honest) I wasnt impressed. But when I watched Mendenhall I was much more impressed by his ability to make something happen.

regoob2
04-13-2008, 09:40 AM
I agree that Mendenhall is more explosive and has better long speed, but Mendenhall is not a power runner and doesn't move the pile. He shies away from contact which I dont like especially for a guy who's 225lbs. Stewart will be a better between the tackles runner imo.

Gay Ork Wang
04-13-2008, 10:12 AM
Although ud prefer him, i really doubt his is high on our Big Boards, mendenhall has the Illnois and Turner connection

regoob2
04-13-2008, 10:15 AM
Although ud prefer him, i really doubt his is high on our Big Boards, mendenhall has the Illnois and Turner connection
I hate connections like that. I couldnt care less where I guy is born, I want the best player. I think Stewart is better than Mendenhall.

VoteLynnSwan
04-13-2008, 02:29 PM
I hate connections like that. I couldnt care less where I guy is born, I want the best player. I think Stewart is better than Mendenhall.

Stewart has injury concerns, lacks a top gear, and Mendenhall can catch the ball as good if not better than Stewart... I don't think we want to invest even more money on a big runningback with injury issues who doesn't have breakaway speed...

regoob2
04-13-2008, 02:37 PM
Stewart has injury concerns, lacks a top gear, and Mendenhall can catch the ball as good if not better than Stewart... I don't think we want to invest even more money on a big runningback with injury issues who doesn't have breakaway speed...I'm not saying I want either RB in round 1. I don't think it would be smart to draft a RB in round 1.

MidwayMonster31
04-13-2008, 03:35 PM
We can wait on a running back. Offensive tackle should be the top priority. Trading up for Clady is a good choice, or if Chris Williams is there at 14, he can work too.
For the second round, I would be okay with trading down. I think teams will be aggressive and trade up for Joe Flacco and Brian Brohm. As far as Malcolm Kelly goes, I'm more concerned about his knees, as well as his maturity, than his 40 time. While Earl Bennett may not be the best athlete, he's the smartest receiver in this draft.
Assuming the Bears traded one third round pick for Clady and received another third round pick for Bennett, the Bears can use a third round pick on a running back. Matt Forte or Tashard Choice would be good options.
For quarterback, even though his stock dropped, I like Andre Woodson's mental toughness and work ethic. If he's there, I would go for him in the late 3rd round.
In the 4th round, offensive guard would be a solid choice. If Kerry Brown is there, go for him. Everyone on this board likes him. Or go for Chad Rinehart, who should be a solid guard.
Safety is a good option for the 5th or 6th round. Quentin Demps may not be there, so a development prospect like Nemo Warrick or DJ Wolfe would work.
Defensive tackle can be addressed late in the draft. Someone like Carlton Powell or Nick Hayden would work.
For the last picks, you might as well take flyers on guys and hope they pan out. Prospects like Lance Leggett (WR), Jaymar Johnson (WR), Pedro Sosa (OG) or James Blair (OG)

sweetness34
04-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Mendenhall is a better prospect than Stewart. If Shard had more game experience in college he would be easily a top 10 draft pick.

Anywho;

1st - OT (one of Albert, Williams, Otah)...If I had a choice I'd take Williams but it doesn't really matter to me

2nd - Brian Brohm

3rd - Chris Johnson (probably a pipe dream though)...Or if Kelly is still there I'd take him

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 04:46 PM
if we went clady, brohm, forte id be a very very happy man on draft day, no question about it....

regoob2
04-13-2008, 04:52 PM
if we went clady, brohm, forte id be a very very happy man on draft day, no question about it....That would be my ideal draft but I don't think he'll be there that's why I took him out of my sig.

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 05:33 PM
That would be my ideal draft but I don't think he'll be there that's why I took him out of my sig.

true, it seems unlikely. in a way, i dont even want to go QB in the first 3 rounds if brohm isnt there in 2. i want nothing to do with ryan or henne and i think anyone interested in flacco is going to have to trade back into round 1.

it would be my opinion that in a situation where the QBs arent favorable, we just grab a late round guy to stick behind orton and gross and develop him a little. if those afore mentioned guys fail us, we're going to end up with a high pick next year anyway and we can use that to nab a college guy who hopefully steps up and stand out as a pro-prospect.

id rather go that route tahn rely on a guy we "settled" on in the 2nd this year and have to go from there.......

Gay Ork Wang
04-13-2008, 05:40 PM
next years QBs are worse than this years....

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 05:41 PM
I'd love to avoid Brohm like the plague, but yeah, I've got that sinking feeling that we'll end up drafting him.

We are at risk of being in a dangerous spot. Here's why. there's a decent chance that 5 OL will be off before 14. Okay, doesn't sound so bad. We'll just take someone like a mendenhall at that point.

Here's the dangerous spot. Let's say it gets to round 2. And a QB is still there. I've got the sickening feeling we'd pull the trigger on Brohm there, irrespective of which Ot's are there, but the reality is also that the OT's there might be Duane Brown, who I'm not huge on.

What happens after that? Ready OT talent falls off tremendously, and we have to go get an OT this year.

Gay Ork Wang
04-13-2008, 05:47 PM
I really hope if we draft mendenhall, that we go Cherilus or 2nd Tier OL like Nicks or someone. I dont want 2 skill positions early

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-13-2008, 05:48 PM
I'd love to avoid Brohm like the plague, but yeah, I've got that sinking feeling that we'll end up drafting him.

We are at risk of being in a dangerous spot. Here's why. there's a decent chance that 5 OL will be off before 14. Okay, doesn't sound so bad. We'll just take someone like a mendenhall at that point.

Here's the dangerous spot. Let's say it gets to round 2. And a QB is still there. I've got the sickening feeling we'd pull the trigger on Brohm there, irrespective of which Ot's are there, but the reality is also that the OT's there might be Duane Brown, who I'm not huge on.

What happens after that? Ready OT talent falls off tremendously, and we have to go get an OT this year.

Duane Brown is ranked higher on the Bears board than Jeff Otah, fwi. And I feel the same way about him.

Gay Ork Wang
04-13-2008, 05:49 PM
any chance we could see the board? cause im not sure if we can trust ya :/

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-13-2008, 05:58 PM
any chance we could see the board? cause im not sure if we can trust ya :/

I don't have it.. And I haven't seen it.

I've heard from someone close to the situation that Brown, Collins, and one other name I can't remember off the top of my head (smaller school) were all ranked higher than Otah. Those names were only brought up to emphasize on how far down the board Otah really was.

I haven't seen Collins at Kansas, so I don't have an opinion on him, but I have seen Brown and would not be comfortable with him coming in early to play.

Gay Ork Wang
04-13-2008, 06:02 PM
hmm so no Otah? i really hope we get someone at OL in our 2nd Round

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 06:16 PM
I'd love to avoid Brohm like the plague, but yeah, I've got that sinking feeling that we'll end up drafting him.

We are at risk of being in a dangerous spot. Here's why. there's a decent chance that 5 OL will be off before 14. Okay, doesn't sound so bad. We'll just take someone like a mendenhall at that point.

Here's the dangerous spot. Let's say it gets to round 2. And a QB is still there. I've got the sickening feeling we'd pull the trigger on Brohm there, irrespective of which Ot's are there, but the reality is also that the OT's there might be Duane Brown, who I'm not huge on.

What happens after that? Ready OT talent falls off tremendously, and we have to go get an OT this year.

my theory: if 2 OTs go in the top 10, i would have to think we send one of our 3rds and 14 to buffalo for 11 and guarantee ourselves the remaining OT of our choice.

we have that spare 3rd rounder for ammo and a draft trade history with buffalo, and between us are 2 teams who could easily snap up the guys we want...

regoob2
04-13-2008, 06:57 PM
I'd take Gosder over Mendenhall at #14.

Bearsfan123
04-13-2008, 07:29 PM
Mendenhall is a better prospect than Stewart. If Shard had more game experience in college he would be easily a top 10 draft pick.

Anywho;

1st - OT (one of Albert, Williams, Otah)...If I had a choice I'd take Williams but it doesn't really matter to me

2nd - Brian Brohm

3rd - Chris Johnson (probably a pipe dream though)...Or if Kelly is still there I'd take him

I just dont see Brohm falling to us. Atlanta needs a QB, Miami might think Brohm is better than Beck. KC could take him. There are other teams that would probably trade up for him. If we sit at 14 in the second, I dont see us getting Brohm, Flacco maybe, but IMO definately not Brohm.

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 07:36 PM
It'll be interesting how the 2nd tier Qb's shake out. A lot of people are saying that Flacco is the apple of 3-4 teams eyes, and someone might deal up mid-late first to draft him. Of course, it could just be rhetoric.

If KC decides to take a QB in the first 2 rounds, then we stand a good chance of missing out on the top 4 QB's.

regoob2
04-13-2008, 07:40 PM
I still like Erik Ainge in round 4. Ainge would be a good fit and does everything well. He would sit for a year most likely 2, but I think he can be good.
1. Ryan Clady OT - trade our late 3rd with buffalo at #11.
2. Malcolm Kelly WR
3. Matt Forte RB
4. Erik Ainge QB
I'd be real happy with that.

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 07:43 PM
It'll be interesting how the 2nd tier Qb's shake out. A lot of people are saying that Flacco is the apple of 3-4 teams eyes, and someone might deal up mid-late first to draft him. Of course, it could just be rhetoric.

If KC decides to take a QB in the first 2 rounds, then we stand a good chance of missing out on the top 4 QB's.

unless its ryan in 1, which i think is doubtful, i just don't but them going QB early for several reasons

a.) would a 2nd round rookie QB really be an upgrade over croyle now? or for that matter, any time that herm or king carl would be around to enjoy him? if croyle doesnt pan out, that team could be looking at some big changes in its leadership by failing to win....just an idea....

b.) they have a lot of needs and a lot of holes to fill. in this draft alone, they could really use at least 2 new o-lineman capable of starting, 2 new WRs with at least one of them capable of making an impact, and a good young CB. all things they could get with their first 2 picks...

so i just don't but them going QB unless its ryan in 1, which, like i said, i find doubtful

Bearsfan123
04-13-2008, 10:09 PM
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unless its ryan in 1, which i think is doubtful, i just don't but them going QB early for several reasons

a.) would a 2nd round rookie QB really be an upgrade over croyle now? or for that matter, any time that herm or king carl would be around to enjoy him? if croyle doesnt pan out, that team could be looking at some big changes in its leadership by failing to win....just an idea....

b.) they have a lot of needs and a lot of holes to fill. in this draft alone, they could really use at least 2 new o-lineman capable of starting, 2 new WRs with at least one of them capable of making an impact, and a good young CB. all things they could get with their first 2 picks...

so i just don't but them going QB unless its ryan in 1, which, like i said, i find doubtful


only 1 new WR but you're generally right. We have similar needs and ppl keep telling us we're gonna pick a QB as well. So im not quite understanding where you're going with this.

We need 2 Linemen, 1 WR capable of making an impact, and a good young RB.

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 10:20 PM
There's two different argument veins for the Chiefs and QB.

If Ryan - too hard to pass up on a franchise QB, it buys the leadership time.

If a 2nd round QB - it protects them against Croyle struggling, it buys them a little bit of time, the draft is deep enough at CB and WR to wait a bit, assuming they address OL in round 1.

On a side note, I'd still watch if Baltimore makes a jump up for Ryan. There's mixed signals on that. Some suggest that they really like Ryan and would consider it. Others suggest that they like Ryan, but they also like Flacco, so they may be willing to stay put and see what happens.

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 10:35 PM
only 1 new WR but you're generally right. We have similar needs and ppl keep telling us we're gonna pick a QB as well. So im not quite understanding where you're going with this.

We need 2 Linemen, 1 WR capable of making an impact, and a good young RB.

they have bowe and ???. literally ????. no one of worth. we at least have a few bits and pieces and lots of potential. they dont even have that much outside of bowe.

also, we are in a great position in round 1 to fill one of our o-line needs. if jake long is gone for their pick, they either have to fill a lesser need like DT or reach for one of the other OTs. if they go the DT route, then they still have all the needs along the o-line and secondary and WR. so i doubt they go QB in 2 in that situation.

as for us, we dont need NEED need a WR capable of making an impact, but another body mid rounds would be real nice for the future. a young RB yes, but there are plenty of workable guys available mid rounds there too. as for RT, that is the spot i think we need to fill in round 1. whether we take a LT and move tait or draft a RT, we need that filled. the LG spot....eh....we could play around with that one a little more, draft someone mid rounds tehre for the future at the very least.

now im in no way advocating QB...in fact, if hes not named brohm or flacco and available at 44, i want NOTHING to do with him. id rather hold off entirely until the later rounds if need be.

my point was just that another QB would be a luxury for the chiefs and they have too many needs elsewhere. unless they feel that they just can't pass on ryan, croyle has to be their man. a 2nd round QB isnt going to do much to help them next year anyway. as i alluded to earlier, if they struggle, herm/peterson might not be around to get to enjoy that new QB...they have to believe in croyle IMO

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 10:56 PM
The Chiefs also have Jeff Webb, who they were pretty high on. He showed improvement last year.

I think the Chiefs need one new OT. If they get one guy, they can get an interior lineman later on and have an okay OL. 2 pieces would be nice, but really, the OL talent runs thin early round 2, and after that, you might as well wait a bit if the target is interior OL.

I'm not advocating the Chiefs going OT, but let's say they go

1. LT - So they reach a bit. I think the next OT value will rate somewhere in the top 10, so it's not a big reach. For debate's sake, let's go with Jeff Otah, who has risen post workout by many accounts.
2. QB - Let's say Brohm for the heck of it.
3. CB - Let's say a Chevis Jackson, who could fit real well for them. There's other options.
4. OL - Let's say Kirk Barton.
5. Interior OL - Let's say Mike McGlynn, giving them another physical presence, moving Waters to center.
5. WR - With Chan Gailey there, do they go a bigger target that fits him or a shiftier guy that fits need. Let's lean to the latter, and for the heck of it, go with say, Darius Reynaud here as a slot option.
6. CB - Let's go another CB here with, say, Jonathan Zenon for the heck of it.
6. DT - Josh Thompson.
7. FB - Carl Stewart.
7. TE - Let's go with Drew Atchison.

What's the point of this? Nothing really, other than to say that I think they can have a good draft while taking a QB early. I think I have the above values fairly slotted. Adding Otah/Barton/McGlynn would give them quality OL depth. They've got other guys to challenge, like an Alabi or a Leffew. Carl Stewart could challenge Hoyte for the FB job, and Atchison gives them a raw TE to mold. Reynaud could give them a slot WR to go with Bowe and Webb. Jackson and Zenon could address the secondary. About the only thing not addressed would be DL, but they did draft Tyler and McBride last year.

BeerBaron
04-13-2008, 11:03 PM
you know, you say that....but i honestly think herm and carl need get out of the funk they fell in last year and drafting a guy who sits on the bench the whole time doesnt do that....its part of why i dont think carolina takes a QB early either

sure you could probably say something similar about us but i dont think our guys jobs are on the line this year barring something spectacularly awful...

i dont even know why im arguing still...i wouldnt mind bypassing QB at all this year. i just then have everyone shove down my throat how bad theyll be next year but in my eyes, its hard to be worse that ryan or henne

Gay Ork Wang
04-14-2008, 07:47 AM
I just dont see Brohm falling to us. Atlanta needs a QB, Miami might think Brohm is better than Beck. KC could take him. There are other teams that would probably trade up for him. If we sit at 14 in the second, I dont see us getting Brohm, Flacco maybe, but IMO definately not Brohm.
i think he wanted to trade up with Miami giving them our 3rd rounder and our second

Trigg
04-14-2008, 11:58 AM
14. Rashard Mendenhall
TRADE UP: Gosder Cherilus
3th Round: Would prolly be a late one, maybe Flacco or Woodson if they drop, maybe Caldwell or Kelly

Now this is ideal. Excellent thinking.

Think about how this immediately fixes the run game. Mendenhall along with a mauler like Cherilus? Just WOW :eek:

Then go BPA WR and DT with the next 2 picks, try for another guard prospect in the 4th round, and I'd say the Bears did a great job addressing the needs for '08. Although I like Flacco ( a lot), I think QB can wait, so unless the Bears want to mortgage their '09 first, I don't prefer they use a draft pick on a QB before round 5.

Gay Ork Wang
04-14-2008, 12:00 PM
well we would only have 1 pick left in the 3rd if we would trade up for Gosder

BeerBaron
04-14-2008, 12:10 PM
aye, cherilus would be a good RT for many years if we traded back up for him. but i think id still rather use the extra 3rd to trade with buffalo and get a LT of our choice....

a spot thats a little more important plus we can always shove tait back into RT.

but thats a scenario i wouldnt be too upset wtih

regoob2
04-14-2008, 01:09 PM
I really don't see any scenario where Mendenhall should be the pick in the 1st.

Skibow
04-14-2008, 01:40 PM
Anybody here read the latest OL rankings from Kirwan (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807bafd0&template=with-video&confirm=true), and the latest draft board from PFW (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Player+Rankings/2008/AllPositions.htm)? Seems like Gosder Cherilus's stock is skyrocketing, jumping ahead of Chris Williams. I also like Otah's potential since he's 2 years younger than both Albert and Cherilus, and 1 year younger than Williams.

BeerBaron
04-14-2008, 04:35 PM
Anybody here read the latest OL rankings from Kirwan (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807bafd0&template=with-video&confirm=true), and the latest draft board from PFW (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Player+Rankings/2008/AllPositions.htm)? Seems like Gosder Cherilus's stock is skyrocketing, jumping ahead of Chris Williams. I also like Otah's potential since he's 2 years younger than both Albert and Cherilus, and 1 year younger than Williams.

chris williams LT > gosder RT, Otah RT

perhaps just opinion but RT only guys can be found more easily later in the draft typically....

sweetness34
04-14-2008, 05:32 PM
Flacco is the hot name right now in terms of QB's from what I've read. And a lot of people think Atlanta is looking hard at him which would mean that Brohm falls. Now the question is if Carolina jumps at him.

Idk, none of these QB's "wow" me. I like Flacco, Henne, and Brohm but will any of these three be our QB down the line? That's questionable. Right now I feel we have bigger areas to address than QB but I wouldn't be upset if we went that route on the first day.

sweetness34
04-14-2008, 05:33 PM
KC is pretty set with Croyle from what I've heard, willing to give him a chance and Miami has a bunch of other needs as well.

regoob2
04-14-2008, 05:35 PM
I would much rather have Chris Williams over Otah, Gosder and probably Albert . Albert is a better OG than the other 2 are tackles and Gosder is a better RT, than Williams is a LT. I'd still take Williams cause we would be upgrading 2 positions over the next few years and when Tait becomes unservicable we can find a RT a lot easier than a LT.

regoob2
04-14-2008, 05:38 PM
Flacco is the hot name right now in terms of QB's from what I've read. And a lot of people think Atlanta is looking hard at him which would mean that Brohm falls. Now the question is if Carolina jumps at him.

Idk, none of these QB's "wow" me. I like Flacco, Henne, and Brohm but will any of these three be our QB down the line? That's questionable. Right now I feel we have bigger areas to address than QB but I wouldn't be upset if we went that route on the first day.
I don't see us moving back up via trade up to grab a QB with our 2nd. I highly doubt that Flacco will be around. I would prefer Brohm. He has very good accuracy and is a good decision maker which is what we've been lacking. If Brohm is there at #44 I assume he will be bpa and would have to be the pick imo.

BeerBaron
04-14-2008, 06:21 PM
I don't see us moving back up via trade up to grab a QB with our 2nd. I highly doubt that Flacco will be around. I would prefer Brohm. He has very good accuracy and is a good decision maker which is what we've been lacking. If Brohm is there at #44 I assume he will be bpa and would have to be the pick imo.

oh if he or flacco were to be there at 44 i think wed jump like it was nothing....theyd be bears at that point.

or at least id strongly hope taht they would be...

regoob2
04-14-2008, 06:35 PM
oh if he or flacco were to be there at 44 i think wed jump like it was nothing....theyd be bears at that point.

or at least id strongly hope taht they would be...I don't love either of these QB but I think we have to go QB and they are both great value there. I think Brohm would be a stud in our system.

Gay Ork Wang
04-14-2008, 06:35 PM
oh man i cant wait for the draft

o M4VERICK o
04-18-2008, 05:37 PM
definetly agree on jonathon joseph he's the best RB in this draft and he's exactly what we need we shud get OL help in later rounds and in FA

BeerBaron
04-18-2008, 05:38 PM
definetly agree on jonathon joseph he's the best RB in this draft and he's exactly what we need we shud get OL help in later rounds and in FA

im not sure if your badly confused, have the wrong thread, or both.....

so ill ask....what?

regoob2
04-18-2008, 05:40 PM
im not sure if your badly confused, have the wrong thread, or both.....

so ill ask....what?I think he means Jonathan Stewart.