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swollja
04-13-2008, 10:22 AM
what would the top 10 look like? using this years draft order.

i mean prospect wise, not mia taking willis #1 b/c he played like the best mlb in the league this yr (altho i wish he was on the fins)

swollja
04-13-2008, 10:37 AM
1 Miami Dolphins- jamarcus russel

2 St. Louis Rams- calvin johnson (joe thomas maybe, but calvin is the rare athlete you just gotta take regardless of need)

3 Atlanta Falcons- glenn dorsey

4 Oakland Raiders- chris long

5 Kansas City Chiefs- joe thomas

6 New York Jets- adrian peterson

7 New England Patriotss- vernon golston

8 Baltimore Ravens- brady quinn

9 Cincinnati Bengals- gaines adams

10 New Orleans Saints - laron landry (maybe pat willis but they've picked up vilma)

OSUGiants17
04-13-2008, 10:49 AM
1. MIA: Jamarcus Russel, QB(2007)
2. STL: Joe Thomas, OT(2007)
3. ATL: Glenn Dorsey, DT(2008)
4. OAK: Chris Long, DE(2008)
5. KC: Calvin Johnson, WR(2007)
6. NYJ: Adrian Peterson, RB(2007)
7. NE: Vernon Gholston, DE(2008)
8. BAL: Levi Brown, OT(2007)
9. CIN: Amobi Okoye, DT(2007)
10. NO: LaRon Landry, SS(2007)

swollja
04-13-2008, 10:55 AM
i dont think the falcons would ever pass on the local boy calvin johnson especially when he's basically the best draft prospect ever

neko4
04-13-2008, 10:56 AM
Miami: Joe Thomas OT
St.Louis: Chris Long DE
Atlanta: Jamarcus Russell QB
Oakland: Calvin Johnson WR
Kansas City: Jake Long OT
NY Jets: Adrian Peterson HB
New England: Vernon Gholston LB
Baltimore: Brady Quinn QB
Cincy: Glenn Dorsey DT
New Orleans: Amobi Okoye DT

Yatta!
04-13-2008, 01:20 PM
1. Dolphins - Joe Thomas
2. Rams - Chris Long
3. Falcons - Jamarcus Russell
4. Raiders - Calvin Johnson
5. Chiefs - Jake Long
6. Jets - Adrian Peterson
7. Pats - Vernon Gholston
8. Ravens - Brady Quinn
9. Bengals - Glenn Dorsey
10. Saints - Sedrick Ellis

Draft King
04-13-2008, 01:26 PM
1. MIA: JaMarcus Russell, QB (2007)
2. STL: Joe Thomas, OT (2007)
3. ATL: Calvin Johnson, WR (2008)
4. OAK: Chris Long, DE (2008)
5. KC: Levi Brown, OT (2007)
6. NYJ: Adrian Peterson, RB (2007)
7. NE: Vernon Gholston, DE (2008)
8. BAL: Matt Ryan, QB (2008)
9. CIN: Amobi Okoye, DT (2007)
10. NO: LaRon Landry, SS (2007)

neko4
04-13-2008, 01:28 PM
1. Dolphins - Joe Thomas
2. Rams - Chris Long
3. Falcons - Jamarcus Russell
4. Raiders - Calvin Johnson
5. Chiefs - Jake Long
6. Jets - Adrian Peterson
7. Pats - Vernon Gholston
8. Ravens - Brady Quinn
9. Bengals - Glenn Dorsey
10. Saints - Sedrick Ellis

Miami: Joe Thomas OT
St.Louis: Chris Long DE
Atlanta: Jamarcus Russell QB
Oakland: Calvin Johnson WR
Kansas City: Jake Long OT
NY Jets: Adrian Peterson HB
New England: Vernon Gholston LB
Baltimore: Brady Quinn QB
Cincy: Glenn Dorsey DT
New Orleans: Amobi Okoye DT


Ummm?
wtf?

Paranoidmoonduck
04-13-2008, 01:46 PM
If I had to guess...

1. Miami - Joe Thomas
2. St. Louis - Calvin Johnson
3. Atlanta - JaMarcus Russell
4. Oakland - Chris Long
5. Kansas City - Jake Long
6. New York - Darren McFadden
7. New England - Gaines Adams
8. Baltimore - Matt Ryan
9. Cincinatti - Glenn Dorsey
10. New Orleans - Amobi Okoye

Yatta!
04-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Ummm?
wtf?

haha, didn't even look at yours. That was just off the top of my head.

Flyboy
04-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Okoye over Ellis? I mean, Okoye has the youth potential but.... ehh.

sprawwl
04-13-2008, 02:06 PM
I'm not going to assign them to specific teams (since I don't think that's what the OP was asking), so... top 10 prospects from the past 2 years, off the top of my head:

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Joe Thomas
3. JaMarcus Russell
4. Chris Long
5. Adrian Peterson
6. Darren McFadden
7. Jake Long
8. Glenn Dorsey
9. Vernon Gholston
10. Amobi Akoye

regoob2
04-13-2008, 02:13 PM
1. MIA: JaMarcus Russell, QB (2007)
2. STL: Joe Thomas, OT (2007)
3. ATL: Calvin Johnson, WR (2008)
4. OAK: Chris Long, DE (2008)
5. KC: Levi Brown, OT (2007)
6. NYJ: Adrian Peterson, RB (2007)
7. NE: Vernon Gholston, DE (2008)
8. BAL: Matt Ryan, QB (2008)
9. CIN: Amobi Okoye, DT (2007)
10. NO: LaRon Landry, SS (2007)
you'd go Levi Brown over Jake Long?

Paranoidmoonduck
04-13-2008, 02:18 PM
Okoye over Ellis? I mean, Okoye has the youth potential but.... ehh.

It would definitely be close, but I do think that Okoye would top Ellis on most people's boards. Okoye had the maturity and youth thing going for him, but he would be also be considered the superior pass rusher and most people would say he has more potential for growth.

JagHombre22
04-13-2008, 02:21 PM
Miami Dolphins- Joe Thomas
Jake Long- Glenn Dorsey
Atlanta Falcons- Adrian Peterson
Oakland Raiders- Jamarcus Russell
Kansas City Chiefs- Jake Long
New York Jets- Chris Long
New England Patriots- Calvin Johnson
Baltimore Ravens- Darren McFadden
Cincinnati Bengals- Sedrick Ellis
New Orleans Saints- Laron Landry

Flyboy
04-13-2008, 02:24 PM
It would definitely be close, but I do think that Okoye would top Ellis on most people's boards. Okoye had the maturity and youth thing going for him, but he would be also be considered the superior pass rusher and most people would say he has more potential for growth.

I just don't view Okoye as being a superior prospect compared to Ellis and that the only reason why teams would rank him higher would be due to his age which I could definitely understand.

TACKLE
04-13-2008, 02:31 PM
1. Miami - Calvin Johnson
2. St.Louis - Joe Thomas
3. Atlanta - JaMarcus Russell
4. Oakland - Chris Long
5. Kansas City - Jake Long
6. New York - Adrian Peterson
7. New England - Patrick Willis
8. Baltimore - Darren McFadden
9. Cincinnati - Sedrick Ellis
10. New Orleans - LaRon Landry

swollja
04-13-2008, 03:40 PM
1. Miami - Calvin Johnson
2. St.Louis - Joe Thomas
3. Atlanta - JaMarcus Russell
4. Oakland - Chris Long
5. Kansas City - Jake Long
6. New York - Adrian Peterson
7. New England - Patrick Willis
8. Baltimore - Darren McFadden
9. Cincinnati - Sedrick Ellis
10. New Orleans - LaRon Landry


i like this one too. i almost put cj 1st.

keylime_5
04-13-2008, 04:19 PM
1-MIA-JaMarcus Russell definitely
2-STL-Joe Thomas
3-ATL-Calvin Johnson
4-OAK-Chris Long
5-KC-Jake Long
6-NYJ-Adrian Peterson
7-NE-Darren McFadden either him or VG
8-BAL-Vernon Gholston
9-CIN-Glenn Dorsey definitely
10-NO-Sedrick Ellis definitely

Mr. Stiller
04-13-2008, 04:28 PM
Miami ~ Joe Thomas, LT, Wisconsin (2007)

Tuna knows games are won in the Trenches. Thomas is a better pass blocker than Long.

St. Louis ~ Calvin Johnson, Wr, Georgia Tech (2007)

St. Louis needs a top notch WR to replace Isaac Bruce

Atlanta ~ JaMarcus Russell, QB, Louisiana State (2007)

He is a big Strong QB that can deal with the weak line they have right now in ATL.

Oakland ~ Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma (2007)

With Russell gone, they add the best RB we've seen since LT.

KC ~ Jake Long, OT, Michigan (2008)

Long is the perfect Mold of a KC Tackle. Lacks the great passblocking skills and agility of Joe Thomas. But Joe Thomas only wishes he could throw guys out of the way like Long.

NYJ ~ Chris Long, DE/OLB, Virginia (2008)

With Peterson off the board, they grab Chris Long who with work could play either OLB or DE in their Scheme.

NE ~ Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State (2008)

Billy needs some athleticism in his LB core now that they don't know the exact plays coming..

Bal ~ Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College (2008)

Ozzie has to take another terrible 1st round QB. I applaud this pick by all means.

Cincy ~ Glen Dorsey, DT, LSU (2008)

Peko and Dorsey inside could reek soem real havoc.

NO: Patrick Willis, MLB, Mississippi (2007)

This may be a reach considering he went 11 overall last year. He's an athletic MLB that can play Sideline to Sideline and would be exceptional in their 4-3. I think he's still not a 3-4 ILB that it's athleticism thats keeping him afloat. However this would've kept them from bringing in Vilma. OR bringing him in and Having Willis play Outside.

UK Cards Fan
04-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Purely prospect wise, with no reference to need or team fit.

1. Calvin Johnson - Did he have a negative.
2. JaMarcus Russell - Not a fan personally, but most were VERY high on him.
3. Joe Thomas - Franchise OLT who had a ridiculous Combine.
4. Adrian Peterson - Would have been higher but for injuries.
5. Darren McFadden - Aside from Mayock, the almost consensus #1.
6. Glenn Dorsey - Would have been higher but for injuries.
7. Chris Long - Better athlete than given credit for.
8. Jake Long - All-Pro RT but strong concerns about LT capability.
9. Matt Ryan - Position inflates value.
10. LaRon Landry - Cornerback speed with linebacker mentality.

In terms of this year's draft order, would probably be.

Johnson, Thomas, Peterson, Long (C), Long (J), McFadden, Willis (I can see the Pats slightly reaching here in terms of value, but they have shown a willingness to do so in the past and there is a definite need here and the fit is excellent.), Russell, Dorsey, Landry.

Thunder&Lightning
04-13-2008, 04:53 PM
1. Miami - Joe Thomas
2. St. Louis - Calvin Johnson
3. Atlanta - JaMarcus Russell
4. Oakland - Chris Long
5. Kansas City - Jake Long
6. New York - Adrian Peterson
7. New England - Vernon Gholston
8. Baltimore - Matt Ryan
9. Cincinatti - Glenn Dorsey
10. New Orleans - Sedrick Ellis

Sniper
04-13-2008, 04:56 PM
Whoever put Levi Brown ahead of Jake Long should be ***** slapped for stupidity.

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 05:08 PM
Let's see, I'd go, assuming similar needs,

1. Miami Dolphins

I'm coming out of LF a bit on this one. Part of me leans towards Joe Thomas, but that's reflective upon how Thomas performed this year, not completely based on his value last year. Furthermore, I'm still not sold Jake Long is 100% the pick there. I am going with Gaines Adams here, provided his background checks out. I think Parcells would be concerned with Russell's physique. Provided Adam's character checked out, he's the fluid edge guy that I think Parcells would want, and he had experience in an OLB role.

Pick: OLB/DE Gaines Adams, Clemson

2. St. Louis Rams

This one's easy. Joe Thomas. They need a franchise LT to line up to replace Pace. Thomas would've warranted the nod here.

St. Louis Rams pick: OT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin

3. Atlanta Falcons

Tough decision to make. Jamarcus Russell, Jake Long, or Glenn Dorsey. The guess here would lean towards Russell as the franchise QB that's too intriguing for Dimitroff to pass up. Dorsey would be 2nd.

Atlanta Falcons pick: QB Jamarcus Russell, LSU

4. Oakland Raiders

Somewhat odd to make a draft like this, because then there's the debate of whether or not Oakland has a franchise QB in place. It's tough to see Al Davis passing on Calvin Johnson now that Jamarcus Russell is off.

Oakland Raiders pick: WR Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech

5. Kansas City Chiefs

Here's perhaps a small surprise. As tempting as Jake Long would be, Glenn Dorsey would be a rare dominant horse. Keep in mind this would be one ridiculous OT draft, allowing them to move up and grab someone later.

Kansas City Chiefs pick: DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU

6. New York Jets

They need to get offensive weapons in there, and Adrian Peterson is too tempting to pass up at this point.

New York Jets pick: RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma

7. New England Patriots f/ San Francisco 49ers

If Dorsey had made it, he actually might've been the pick. He didn't, though, so we're left looking at Jake Long, Chris Long, Jamaal Anderson, Laron Landry. The nod would go to ... hmm ... you know, I want to go Long here, but my feeling is that Laron Landry would end up getting the nod.

New England Patriots pick: S Laron Landry, LSU

8. Baltimore Ravens

They badly need a QB of the future, and with a good one on board, they jump on him. The value's solid.

Baltimore Ravens pick: QB Matt Ryan, Boston College

9. Cincinnati Bengals

Here's another mild surprise. With the combined drafts, the DT talent is actually fairly deep. As intriguing as Sedrick Ellis is, I think they pass here. So, where do they go? DE is a thought. That said, the nod here goes to Darren McFadden. Their RB situation is iffy and McFadden may be too talented to pass up at this point.

Cincinnati Bengals pick: RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas

10. New Orleans Saints

Jake Long is too tempting for them to pass up at this point.

New Orleans Saints pick: OT Jake Long, Michigan

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 05:13 PM
Purely prospect wise, with no reference to need or team fit.

1. Calvin Johnson - Did he have a negative.
2. JaMarcus Russell - Not a fan personally, but most were VERY high on him.
3. Joe Thomas - Franchise OLT who had a ridiculous Combine.
4. Adrian Peterson - Would have been higher but for injuries.
5. Darren McFadden - Aside from Mayock, the almost consensus #1.
6. Glenn Dorsey - Would have been higher but for injuries.
7. Chris Long - Better athlete than given credit for.
8. Jake Long - All-Pro RT but strong concerns about LT capability.
9. Matt Ryan - Position inflates value.
10. LaRon Landry - Cornerback speed with linebacker mentality.

In terms of this year's draft order, would probably be.

Johnson, Thomas, Peterson, Long (C), Long (J), McFadden, Willis (I can see the Pats slightly reaching here in terms of value, but they have shown a willingness to do so in the past and there is a definite need here and the fit is excellent.), Russell, Dorsey, Landry.

Pure prospect wise, I'd roughly order it

Russell, Johnson, Dorsey, Thomas, Adams, Jake Long, Adrian Peterson, Darren McFadden, Matt Ryan, Laron Landry

Jakey
04-13-2008, 05:15 PM
Miami Dolphins- Joe Thomas
Jake Long- Glenn Dorsey
Atlanta Falcons- Adrian Peterson
Oakland Raiders- Jamarcus Russell
Kansas City Chiefs- Jake Long
New York Jets- Chris Long
New England Patriots- Calvin Johnson
Baltimore Ravens- Darren McFadden
Cincinnati Bengals- Sedrick Ellis
New Orleans Saints- Laron Landry

Glenn Dorsey to Jake Long...strange team ;)

PACKmanN
04-13-2008, 05:32 PM
1. MIA: Jamarcus Russel, QB(2007)
2. STL: Joe Thomas, OT(2007)
3. ATL: Glenn Dorsey, DT(2008)
4. OAK: Chris Long, DE(2008)
5. KC: Calvin Johnson, WR(2007)
6. NYJ: Adrian Peterson, RB(2007)
7. NE: Vernon Gholston, DE(2008)
8. BAL: Levi Brown, OT(2007)
9. CIN: Amobi Okoye, DT(2007)
10. NO: LaRon Landry, SS(2007)

Levi over Long? why....

Thunder&Lightning
04-13-2008, 05:37 PM
Levi over Long? why....

thinking the same thing myself...

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Okay, while I disagree with OSU, a mild defense of that could be LT upside. A fair case can be made that Levi, who lacks Jake's over athleticism, but might have better footwork, could be a tantalizing upside pick at LT.

That said, if we combined both draft pools, I think I would have Levi in tier 3 (11-15 range).

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
04-13-2008, 06:17 PM
...What makes Brady Quinn good enough to go 15 spots higher if there is more talent added to the top of the draft?

d34ng3l021
04-13-2008, 06:25 PM
The thought of us drafting JaMarcus Russell. Ahh. That would be so amazing.

swollja
04-13-2008, 06:54 PM
...What makes Brady Quinn good enough to go 15 spots higher if there is more talent added to the top of the draft?

because the ravens are in the top 10 and would prob rate him ahead of matt ryan

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 07:01 PM
because the ravens are in the top 10 and would prob rate him ahead of matt ryan

Ravens won't reach, though. At least, under Ozzie, they haven't shown the history of doing as such. Now, I think Ryan would rate a top 10 value in a combination of both drafts, but if not, I would likely go OT or defensive line there, I think.

Joeyjr09
04-13-2008, 07:27 PM
Mine draft is based on needs and who I think each team would take but the number I have off to the side is the way I would have them ranked on my draft board at the time they were prospects not after having seen them play in the NFL.



1.) Miami: Joe Thomas, LT (3)
2.) St. Louis: Calvin Johnson, WR (1)
3.) Atlanta Falcons: Jamarcus Russell, QB (2)
4.) Oakland Raiders: Gaines Adams, DE (4)
5.) Kansas City Chiefs: Jake Long, OT (6)
6.) New York Jets: Chris Long, DE/OLB (5)
7.) New England Patriots: Adrian Peterson, RB (7)
8.) Baltimore Ravens: Brady Quinn, QB (8)
9.) Cincy Bengals: Vernon Gholston, DE (10)
10.) New Orleans Saints: Darren McFadden, RB (9)

swollja
04-13-2008, 07:58 PM
Ravens won't reach, though. At least, under Ozzie, they haven't shown the history of doing as such. Now, I think Ryan would rate a top 10 value in a combination of both drafts, but if not, I would likely go OT or defensive line there, I think.

it's weird with quinn, he could have gone #3 last year and people wouldn't have said that was reaching

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 08:08 PM
it's weird with quinn, he could have gone #3 last year and people wouldn't have said that was reaching

That was more based on expectation (Weis and Crennel), perception (Big name), and need (Browns QB questions). There were strong rumors late in the process that a lot of teams had him close to the grades of the 2nd tier QB's, Beck/Stanton/Kolb/Edwards, than a top 10 pick, let alone top 5.

Of course, the one truism about the draft has always been, all it takes is one.

swollja
04-13-2008, 08:13 PM
That was more based on expectation (Weis and Crennel), perception (Big name), and need (Browns QB questions). There were strong rumors late in the process that a lot of teams had him close to the grades of the 2nd tier QB's, Beck/Stanton/Kolb/Edwards, than a top 10 pick, let alone top 5.

Of course, the one truism about the draft has always been, all it takes is one.

idk, i just think he's a better prospect than ryan. i don't like either. i think if quinn was in this draft more people would be predicting him at #1 to the dolphins than the few (as in zero) people predicting ryan at #1 now.

so top 10 to the ravens in both drafts combined doesn't seem like a huge reach with the ravens need for a qb and people thinking they'd take ryan this year.

toonsterwu
04-13-2008, 08:15 PM
I tend to think Ryan is the better prospect at the same point, but the arguments been made before, so I'll just leave it be. I will say there are still murmurs of Ryan to the Dolphins. I will also say that there is no way I think that Parcells would go Quinn this high. That said, it's just opinion.