ThePudge's Top 252 (4/13)

[ThePudge]

BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

Just a rough draft of my Top 252 which will be finished with a couple days left until the draft. Everything on this list is subject to change, I'm simply laying down my foundation with a first draft. Some parts I felt good about, others not so good. By draft day it'll be the way I want it. Feel free to question anything, comment on anything.

If your question concerns my stance on the top 6 players here, simply look in the "Number One Player" thread, where I have my explanation already. Enjoy!

1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
2. Jake Long - OT - Michigan
3. Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU
4. Chris Long - DE/OLB - Virginia
5. Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
6. Vernon Gholston - DE/OLB - Ohio State
7. Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
8. Ryan Clady - OT - Boise State
9. Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
10. Branden Albert - OG/OT - Virginia
11. Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
12. Keith Rivers - LB - USC
13. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB - Tennessee State
14. Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt
15. Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
16. Jerod Mayo - LB - Tennessee
17. Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh
18. Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State
19. Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson
20. Limas Sweed - WR - Texas
21. Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon
22. Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
23. Quentin Groves - OLB/DE - Auburn
24. Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame
25. Aqib Talib - CB - Kansas
26. Kenny Phillips - S - Miami
27. Mike Jenkins - CB - South Florida
28. Dan Connor - LB - Penn State
29. Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
30. James Hardy - WR - Indiana
31. Calais Campbell - DE - Miami
32. DeSean Jackson - WR - California
33. Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware
34. Brandon Flowers - CB - Virginia Tech
35. Tyrell Johnson - S - Arkansas State
36. Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
37. Mario Manningham - WR - Michigan
38. Curtis Lofton - ILB - Oklahoma
39. Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma
40. Matt Forte - RB - Tulane
41. Felix Jones - RB - Arkansas
42. Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue
43. Chilo Rachal - OG - USC
44. John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame
45. Justin King - CB - Penn State
46. Dustin Keller - TE - Purdue
47. Chad Henne - QB - Michigan
48. Duane Brown - OT/OG - Virginia Tech
49. Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas
50. Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
51. Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana
52. Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
53. Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
54. Jason Jones - DE - Eastern Michigan
55. Chris Johnson - RB/WR - East Carolina
56. Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A&M
57. Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
58. DaJuan Morgan - S - NC State
59. Charles Godfrey - CB - Iowa
60. Reggie Smith - S/CB - Oklahoma
61. Donnie Avery - WR - Houston
62. Antwuan Molden - CB - Eastern Kentucky
63. Sam Baker - OG/OT - USC
64. Tyvon Branch - CB - Connecticut
65. Pat Sims - DT - Auburn
66. Fred Davis - TE - USC
67. Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida
68. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland
69. Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami
70. Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest
71. Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska
72. Eddie Royal - WR - Virginia Tech
73. Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina
74. Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M
75. Terrell Thomas - CB - USC
76. Early Doucet - WR - LSU
77. Phillip Wheeler - LB - Georgia Tech
78. Ahtyba Rubin - DT - Iowa State
79. Marcus Harrison - DT - Arkansas
80. Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt
81. Andre Woodson - QB - Kentucky
82. Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee
83. Xavier Adibi - OLB - Virginia Tech
84. Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers
85. Chris Ellis - DE/OLB - Virginia Tech
86. Jeremy Zuttah - C/OG - Rutgers
87. Dexter Jackson - WR - Appalachian State
88. Orlando Scandrick - CB - Boise State
89. Oniel Cousins - OT/OG - UTEP
90. Josh Johnson - QB - San Diego
91. Chad Rinehart - OG/OT - Northern Iowa
92. Will Franklin - WR - Missouri
93. Kellen Davis - TE - Michigan State
94. Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State
95. Stanford Keglar - OLB - Purdue
96. Jermichael Finley - TE - Texas
97. Donald Thomas - OG - Connecticut
98. Jamaal Charles - RB - Texas
99. Roy Schuening - OG - Oregon State
100. Geno Hayes - OLB - Florida State
101. Darrell Robertson - DE - Georgia Tech
102. Beau Bell - ILB/OLB - UNLV
103. Frank Okam - DT - Texas
104. Michael Grant - CB/S - Arkansas
105. David Roach - S - TCU
106. Josh Barrett - S - Arizona State
107. Craig Stevens - TE - California
108. Lavelle Hawkins - WR - California
109. Mike Pollak - C - Arizona State
110. Tashard Choice - RB - Georgia Tech
111. Thomas DeCoud - S - California
112. Terrence Wheatley - CB - Colorado
113. Kevin Smith - RB - Central Florida
114. Shawn Crable - OLB - Michigan
115. Mackenzy Bernadeau - OG - Bentley
116. Ali Highsmith - LB - LSU
117. John Greco - OG/OT - Toledo
118. Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
119. Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
120. Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
121. Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner-Webb
122. Thomas Brown - RB - Georgia
123. Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
124. Martin Rucker - TE - Missouri
125. Bryan Smith - OLB/DE - McNeese State
126. Gary Guyton - OLB - Georgia Tech
127. Mike McGlynn - OG/OT - Pittsburgh
128. Kevin O'Connell - QB - San Diego State
129. Quintin Demps - S - UTEP
130. John David Booty - QB - USC
131. Jack Williams - CB - Kent State
132. Kenny Iwebema - DE - Iowa
133. Harry Douglas - WR - Louisville
134. Josh Morgan - WR - Virginia Tech
135. Jordan Dizon - OLB - Colorado
136. King Dunlap - OT - Auburn
137. Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian State
138. Bryan Kehl - OLB - BYU
139. Adrian Arrington - WR - Michigan
140. Marcus Howard - OLB/DE - Georgia
141. Breno Giacomini - OT - Louisville
142. Trae Williams - CB - South Florida
143. Jacob Hester - FB - LSU
144. Wesely Woodyard - OLB - Kentucky
145. Marcus Smith - WR - New Mexico
146. Keilen Dykes - DT/DE - West Virginia
147. Geoff Schwartz - OT - Oregon
148. Letroy Guion - DT - Florida State
149. Chris Horton - S - UCLA
150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky
229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State

[duckseason]

From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.

[Thunder&Lightning]

Great job pudge only guy I disagree with is reggie smith being ranked that low... but no biggie.

[eaglesalltheway]

Really nice overall, most of the players are in the range that I would expect, the only Question I have is about two players. Allen Patrick and Erik Ainge are ranked low in my opinion.

[AtariBigby]

From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.
No I disagree with you and agree with the OP, and I also love the Ducks.

Akili Smith was a better prospect than Dixon is, as a QB, and so was Joey Harrington.
Schwartz will probably have a nice long career as a solid backup or contributor, but Double D could easily never make it beyond a practice squad and then be in the Arena League or Canada within 2 years.

[AtariBigby]

BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College

150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
:) 228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky:)
229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State

Great work chief.
My disagreements are Matt Ryan #1. I think 3 and 5, and 7 years from now, having him rated #1 overall will look like when David Carr was #1 overall on some BPA boards, and Alex Smith, and even Ryan Leaf on some boards.

Guys in red are guys 150 or lower on your list who I think will have fine careers and most of them will make people wonder why they weren't taken in round 2, or 3 at the latest.

Steve Johnson 228 reminds me of Donald Driver at 213 in his draft 9 years ago.
And I hate Notre Dame, but Zbikowksi is a way better football player than #239. He gets a bad rap because the Irish defense has been so horrible back there, but he's the only guy who made any plays, and he was expected to provide the key run support and people think any deep pass was his fault. Where were the corners and other safety?
Zibby makes plays, sure he's not a lockdown cover guy, but neither is Roy Williams or Rodney Harrison, or even myself Atari Bigby.

If Zibby goes rounds 6 or 7, it's a conspiracy and a steal!

[Iamcanadian]

BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

Just a rough draft of my Top 252 which will be finished with a couple days left until the draft. Everything on this list is subject to change, I'm simply laying down my foundation with a first draft. Some parts I felt good about, others not so good. By draft day it'll be the way I want it. Feel free to question anything, comment on anything.

If your question concerns my stance on the top 6 players here, simply look in the "Number One Player" thread, where I have my explanation already. Enjoy!

1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College - He may go this high but I would only rank him as the 8th best prospect in this year's draft.
2. Jake Long - OT - Michigan
3. Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU - I still think with his injury history, I'd drop him to #7, JMO.
4. Chris Long - DE/OLB - Virginia
5. Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
6. Vernon Gholston - DE/OLB - Ohio State - I think he is a top 5 prospect.
7. Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
8. Ryan Clady - OT - Boise State - I believe that Albert has passed him as the #2 OT on the board.
9. Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
10. Branden Albert - OG/OT - Virginia
11. Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
12. Keith Rivers - LB - USC
13. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB - Tennessee State
14. Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt - For me Williams is a bit over hyped, I don't think he ranks this high.
15. Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
16. Jerod Mayo - LB - Tennessee - A little high in my opinion
17. Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh - Williams should be here and Otah maybe around #20.
18. Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State
19. Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson
20. Limas Sweed - WR - Texas
21. Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon
22. Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
23. Quentin Groves - OLB/DE - Auburn - heart surgery will definately drop him to round 2.
24. Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame - A bit over hyped, early round 2 in my opinion and behind Balmer who fits in around here.
25. Aqib Talib - CB - Kansas
26. Kenny Phillips - S - Miami - not a fan of!
27. Mike Jenkins - CB - South Florida
28. Dan Connor - LB - Penn State
29. Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
30. James Hardy - WR - Indiana
31. Calais Campbell - DE - Miami - only if a 3-4 team drafts him!
32. DeSean Jackson - WR - California - I cannot see him going in round 1. JMO!
33. Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware
34. Brandon Flowers - CB - Virginia Tech
35. Tyrell Johnson - S - Arkansas State
36. Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
37. Mario Manningham - WR - Michigan
38. Curtis Lofton - ILB - Oklahoma
39. Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma - too high for a guy that slow, late round 2 at best.
40. Matt Forte - RB - Tulane
41. Felix Jones - RB - Arkansas - this guys a 1st rounder IMO. Extremely quick 1st step will make him very effective in the NFL.
42. Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue - could be a surprise late 1st rounder
43. Chilo Rachal - OG - USC - overrated in my opinion
44. John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame
45. Justin King - CB - Penn State - I think he could also sneak into late round 1 on physical ability alone.
46. Dustin Keller - TE - Purdue - another possible 1st rounder
47. Chad Henne - QB - Michigan
48. Duane Brown - OT/OG - Virginia Tech - fast riser whose moving up, early 2nd rounder, has the athletic ability to play LT but needs some work.
49. Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas
50. Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
51. Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana
52. Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
53. Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
54. Jason Jones - DE - Eastern Michigan
55. Chris Johnson - RB/WR - East Carolina
56. Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A&M
57. Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
58. DaJuan Morgan - S - NC State should go higher than this
59. Charles Godfrey - CB - Iowa
60. Reggie Smith - S/CB - Oklahoma - still a serious candidaste for round 1 as a FS or a Cover 2 CB. Very average 40 time but solid for those 2 scenarios and he had one the quickest cone and short shuttle times of all the DB at the combine.
61. Donnie Avery - WR - Houston - Early 2nd rounder IMO.
62. Antwuan Molden - CB - Eastern Kentucky
63. Sam Baker - OG/OT - USC
64. Tyvon Branch - CB - Connecticut
65. Pat Sims - DT - Auburn
66. Fred Davis - TE - USC
67. Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida
68. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - could go late 2nd round on potential alone and a lack of good DT's after Dorsey and Ellis.
69. Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami
70. Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest
71. Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska
72. Eddie Royal - WR - Virginia Tech
73. Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina
74. Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M
75. Terrell Thomas - CB - USC
76. Early Doucet - WR - LSU
77. Phillip Wheeler - LB - Georgia Tech
78. Ahtyba Rubin - DT - Iowa State
79. Marcus Harrison - DT - Arkansas
80. Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt
81. Andre Woodson - QB - Kentucky
82. Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee
83. Xavier Adibi - OLB - Virginia Tech
84. Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - could sneak into round 2
85. Chris Ellis - DE/OLB - Virginia Tech
86. Jeremy Zuttah - C/OG - Rutgers
87. Dexter Jackson - WR - Appalachian State
88. Orlando Scandrick - CB - Boise State
89. Oniel Cousins - OT/OG - UTEP
90. Josh Johnson - QB - San Diego - too high in my opinion
91. Chad Rinehart - OG/OT - Northern Iowa
92. Will Franklin - WR - Missouri
93. Kellen Davis - TE - Michigan State
94. Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State
95. Stanford Keglar - OLB - Purdue
96. Jermichael Finley - TE - Texas
97. Donald Thomas - OG - Connecticut
98. Jamaal Charles - RB - Texas way too low, 2nd rounder for sure.
99. Roy Schuening - OG - Oregon State - probably a 3rd rounder
100. Geno Hayes - OLB - Florida State
101. Darrell Robertson - DE - Georgia Tech
102. Beau Bell - ILB/OLB - UNLV
103. Frank Okam - DT - Texas
104. Michael Grant - CB/S - Arkansas
105. David Roach - S - TCU
106. Josh Barrett - S - Arizona State
107. Craig Stevens - TE - California
108. Lavelle Hawkins - WR - California
109. Mike Pollak - C - Arizona State very likely to be a 2nd rounder
110. Tashard Choice - RB - Georgia Tech
111. Thomas DeCoud - S - California
112. Terrence Wheatley - CB - Colorado
113. Kevin Smith - RB - Central Florida
114. Shawn Crable - OLB - Michigan
115. Mackenzy Bernadeau - OG - Bentley
116. Ali Highsmith - LB - LSU - depends on the condition of his neck
117. John Greco - OG/OT - Toledo
118. Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
119. Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
120. Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
121. Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner-Webb
122. Thomas Brown - RB - Georgia
123. Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
124. Martin Rucker - TE - Missouri
125. Bryan Smith - OLB/DE - McNeese State
126. Gary Guyton - OLB - Georgia Tech
127. Mike McGlynn - OG/OT - Pittsburgh too low, will someday be a starter in the NFL at OG
128. Kevin O'Connell - QB - San Diego State
129. Quintin Demps - S - UTEP
130. John David Booty - QB - USC
131. Jack Williams - CB - Kent State
132. Kenny Iwebema - DE - Iowa
133. Harry Douglas - WR - Louisville
134. Josh Morgan - WR - Virginia Tech
135. Jordan Dizon - OLB - Colorado
136. King Dunlap - OT - Auburn
137. Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian State
138. Bryan Kehl - OLB - BYU
139. Adrian Arrington - WR - Michigan
140. Marcus Howard - OLB/DE - Georgia
141. Breno Giacomini - OT - Louisville
142. Trae Williams - CB - South Florida
143. Jacob Hester - FB - LSU
144. Wesely Woodyard - OLB - Kentucky
145. Marcus Smith - WR - New Mexico
146. Keilen Dykes - DT/DE - West Virginia
147. Geoff Schwartz - OT - Oregon
148. Letroy Guion - DT - Florida State
149. Chris Horton - S - UCLA
150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky
229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State

I hope it helps with your final rankings. Here's an article on the OL by Pat Kirwin which should help.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807bafd0&template=with-video&confirm=true

[Packman1957]

Overall its a very solid list. I mean of course I disagree with a few of your rankings but I cant expect anything to be perfect. There's none that leave me really scratching my head. Very solid.

I'll just judge the top 10 though. Matt Ryan is too high, I agree he will be good at the next level, but no. 1. I don't think so. I would have him at no. 7 on my list. D-Mac should at least be in the top 3 IMO. Here would be my list for the top 10.

1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
2. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
3. Chris Long DE Virginia
4. Jake Long OT Michigan
5. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
6. Sedrick Ellis DT USC
7. Matt Ryan QB BC
8. Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
9. Branden Albert OG/OT Virginia
10. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois


Still your list is very solid, but the top 10 needs a little rearranging IMO.

[princefielder28]

Matt Ryan as the #1 overall prospect in the entire draft? Wow! Props though for doing that extensive list

[Matthew Jones]

Pudge, you've gotta be one of my top five favorite posters on here. Great work as always, well-deserved +rep.

[ThePudge]

From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.

Dixon faces a more uphill battle than Schwartz. He is a scrambler, a passer better suited for a college spread offense, too thin, maybe a bit injury-prone now, and he is a bit of a one year wonder. Schwartz may make the easier transition to NFL Right Tackle where his size and strength give him some real upside on the right side.

[ThePudge]

I'll just judge the top 10 though. Matt Ryan is too high, I agree he will be good at the next level, but no. 1. I don't think so. I would have him at no. 7 on my list. D-Mac should at least be in the top 3 IMO. Here would be my list for the top 10.

1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
2. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
3. Chris Long DE Virginia
4. Jake Long OT Michigan
5. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
6. Sedrick Ellis DT USC
7. Matt Ryan QB BC
8. Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
9. Branden Albert OG/OT Virginia
10. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois


Still your list is very solid, but the top 10 needs a little rearranging IMO.

When I quote this segment from Packman, I would like to add in all other names who question the Matt Ryan judgement call.

I have my reasons.

This draft really does not have any can't-miss prospects. It's better than the 05 draft at the top, and is a strong draft from the 2nd-5th Round or so, but the talent at the top in watered down. I'd rank several players from last year's class over Matt Ryan, who I have as the top player on my big board. This year I think it's more of a tier for the top player available. In that first tier we see...

a) Matt Ryan
b) Glenn Dorsey
c) Jake Long
d) Darren McFadden
e) Chris Long
f) Vernon Gholston
and Sedrick Ellis is the other prospect that receives consideration in that tier.

It's not so much that Ryan is earning the spot. He was not the best college player on the list, we all know that, and does not have the most upside on this list. To me, though, his lack of real bust potential, combined with his ability to potentially be a franchise passer, the league's most important and demanded position, gets him my vote.

Chris Long - Excellent football player, great character, very smart, athletic, versatile. However, Long may lack star potential. He will likely be converting to OLB in the NFL (if Miami picks him as expected), he could excel there, but it's still not his natural position, giving him a bit of risk factor. Long is one of the less physically talented players in that top tier.

Jake Long - Good left tackle prospect, dominant right tackle prospect. He is not, however, the typical franchise LT prospect. In fact, in a draft like this (deep in OT's), there are a couple more natural fits at LT to be had (Ryan Clady and Chris Williams for starters.) No Tackle prospect combines size with brute force, athleticism, and collegiate success quite like Long does though, separating. Long still isn't the type of prospect as Thomas, Ferguson, or Gallery before him, so it's hard for me to put him at #1. His questionable upside at LT in the NFL provides some doubt.

Glenn Dorsey - Probably the best college player on this list and the most rare prospect for his position. He is explosive, athletic, strong and smart, a lethal combination. He adds top-notch leadership skills to his athletic ability, forming a seemingly unreal prospect at DT. Stress fractures, however, don't disappear. Dorsey's aren't as serious as some would lead you to believe, but are an issue. Dorsey has a habit of getting nicked up and manning the trenches in the NFL will take a toll on Dorsey's body. At his position, with his injury problems, I'd be fairly surprised if he made it 10 years in the NFL. Should have an excellent career while it lasts.

Darren McFadden - Probably the prospect on this list with the most upside. McFadden, at 6'1 1/4 211 running a 4.33 40, is a freak physically, with unbelievable straight-line speed, playmaking ability, surprising power, and will go down in history as one of the SEC's greatest backs. There are a couple problems though that lead me to believe he's a better college player than he is a pro prospect. His upright running style paired with skinny legs leads many to believe he'll be injury prone or at least not be able to be a typical workhorse back at the next level. His character is a small cause for concern, as he is the only player on this list who doesn't exactly have a strong track record there.

Vernon Gholston - A tremendous athlete. At DE, Gholston combines speed and freakish athleticism with unbelievable strength and power. Inexperience and inconsistency hold back Gholston as he is still more of a workout warrior than football player at this point. He is a good player, and a smart kid, don't get me wrong, but he lacks the polish and technique of Chris Long.

Matt Ryan - My pick. All I hear is "19 Interception" blah blah blah. If Qb's were to be graded purely on stats, Colt Brennan would be an All-Pro before strapping on his helmet. Ryan had his fair share of mistakes, took his lumps and bruises, but kept on fighting during his college career. He never complained about a lack of elite talent around him, never complained about a patchwork OL that had players playing out of position or even about a defense that allowed 42 points to Maryland, 27 to Florida State, and 30 to Virginia Tech (Not exactly your Indianapolis Colts offenses). Ryan led a less talented team in the ACC to an 11-3 record and a bowl victory his senior season, while gaining the respect and love of his teammates. He often led the team single-handedly, putting them on his back and taking them for the ride. He's very smart, very tough, clutch, has all the heart in the world, is a great leader, and finally, brings the best out of those around him.

He may throw Int's, but make no mistake, he is the anti-Grossman. His confidence separates him from most QB prospects. His ability to perform when the pressure is on separates him. He has also shown that he can carry his team and win the big game. Most criticize his physical ability when they learn he is all there mentally, though I can't see why. At 6'4 7/8 228, Ryan has that prototype size, has a good arm, capable of putting plenty of zip on the ball and throws a decent deep ball (but can improve). He throws a tight spiral, has very good pocket presence, shows great escapability and is capable of throwing very well on the run. He can make plays when everything breaks down.

He has forced some passes, but has gradually improved at reading defenses. He's able to digest a playbook quickly and is smart enough to be penciled in as the starter for opnening day. Ryan has the mechanics and experience in a Pro-Style offense that a guy like Alex Smith didn't. He has the intangibles that JaMarcus Russell didn't. Has some negatives, he's not perfect, but his negatives are correctable and his positives. Not a perfect QB prospect, won't be Peyton Manning/Tom Brady, but is talented and smart enough to devlop into an upper echelon NFL QB.


Some will still defend Jake Long... For them, I have this...

Feet, athleticism, a bit more nimble, higher long-term upside are just a few reasons. Long is the most polished, but I don't see him as having franchise LT qualities. His run blocking is top-notch, best in this draft. His pass blocking is good but as I have said before I believe he may have a harder time adjusting to the speed of NFL DE's.

Robert Gallery, an excellent Tackle prospect in 2004 from the Big Ten never adjusted, even though he faced excellent pass rushers often in college as well. I simply realize that it's not an exact projection from college LT to NFL LT. Gallery failed. Joe Thomas, a more athletic player has worked out. Long may be a great Left Tackle, but I think it'll take a bit of time. He's probably at his best at Right Tackle or Left Tackle in a power rushing scheme like that of Miami, Atlanta, and Kansas City.

Clady and Williams (who I'm not a big fan of by the way) are likely more suitable for the LT position. I'm not saying they will be better, but athletically, they have a slight advantage. Long could be the league's top RT, or a good LT, but I don't see him as an elite prospect at Left Tackle.

I am a fan of Long's too, however I understand drafting an OT top 3 is not an exact science. As I said, I think Long is a franchise RT, someone who could play and go to the pro bowl for years, and a more than solid LT. However, I favor Ryan.

I see a potential franchise QB as more of a value than a franchise LT. I'm not saying Ryan will be a franchise Quarterback, but I'd give him similar chances to Long becoming a franchise Left Tackle. It comes down to simply QB > LT there for me. As I said, no problem with Long, as he is #2 on my Big Board behind Matt Ryan.

Throw those six names in a hat (Ryan, Dorsey, J. Long, C. Long, Gholston, and McFadden), close your eyes, and pick. They're all quite even in that top tier, it comes down to little personal beliefs, preferences, and technicalities.

What I am saying is I think there is an equal chance of Jake Long becoming a Pro Bowl Left Tackle to Matt Ryan becoming a Pro Bowl Quarterback. I'd simply rather have that quarterback, the position that offenses are built around, than the left tackle.

[ThePudge]

Great work chief.
My disagreements are Matt Ryan #1. I think 3 and 5, and 7 years from now, having him rated #1 overall will look like when David Carr was #1 overall on some BPA boards, and Alex Smith, and even Ryan Leaf on some boards.

Guys in red are guys 150 or lower on your list who I think will have fine careers and most of them will make people wonder why they weren't taken in round 2, or 3 at the latest.

Steve Johnson 228 reminds me of Donald Driver at 213 in his draft 9 years ago.
And I hate Notre Dame, but Zbikowksi is a way better football player than #239. He gets a bad rap because the Irish defense has been so horrible back there, but he's the only guy who made any plays, and he was expected to provide the key run support and people think any deep pass was his fault. Where were the corners and other safety?
Zibby makes plays, sure he's not a lockdown cover guy, but neither is Roy Williams or Rodney Harrison, or even myself Atari Bigby.

If Zibby goes rounds 6 or 7, it's a conspiracy and a steal!

I'm not a Zbikowski guy really. A little too small and unathletic for my taste. I thought he would give a better showing than he did at the Combine. Also, the boxing thing scares me off as it's bound to take some attention away from the field. He's a high effort, high energy player though that could be a special teams demon though.

[Who Dat Nation]

Great list. Nice to see Matt Forte getting some love!

[ThePudge]

Great list. Nice to see Matt Forte getting some love!

hah Anyone who knows me knows I think very highly of Matt Forte. Great prospect. If he weren't a one year wonder type, he'd have a very good shot at the first round.

[Crvena Ptica]

Great work man. I've got Lofton in same range (35-40), though Colt at 201 is a bit low for me.

[ThePudge]

I love Colt. Great guy, got to speak with him about a year and a half back, really a delightful guy to talk to. However, size, injury concerns, questionable arm strength, and mechanics that need major work push him way down boards. I really hope he gets drafted. San Francisco is the team in the 6th/7th that I'd look for.