Cowboys and Barber far apart on new deal

[M.O.T.H.]

Now, a deal is def. going to get done but, we offered $30 million and he is looking for a massive contract between $40 and $60 million. Ha, he's not making it easy. The deal will surely get done...but, goodlord he is not worth that much, imo.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/041708dnspocowdate.3a2b5a2.html

"The Cowboys have held preliminary talks with the running back's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, according to multiple sources, and are offering a financial package in the $30 million range."

"Barber wants a package between $40 million and $60 million."

[LonghornsLegend]

Yep, I'm excited about this...The price range Barber is looking for is probably going to be negotiated somewhere in the middle, but I'm glad we have plans for him in the long term, that rules out McFadden for sure now...Sooner we get him done, we can move on to Canty and Hamlin, two guys I seriously want locked up.


Good news we are pursuing this, He's never been injured for us, and if we keep another back to spell him I love what he has to offer us.

[Turtlepower]

I wonder if he holds out during training camp. I actually don't think it would be that huge of an impact because as long as he stays conditioned he should be fine, but this will be an interesting case come August.

[leroyisgod]

This was expected. Our cap situation over the next few years is going to get scary very quick.

[LonghornsLegend]

I wonder if he holds out during training camp. I actually don't think it would be that huge of an impact because as long as he stays conditioned he should be fine, but this will be an interesting case come August.

I dont think it would get to that point, but what do I know that be just a guess...He just doesnt seem like the hold out type, but his agent IS Rosenhaus.

[M.O.T.H.]

This was expected. Our cap situation over the next few years is going to get scary very quick.

It already is scary and we havent even begun discussing Newman's contract yet. That one may be impossible to get done.

[Turtlepower]

I dont think it would get to that point, but what do I know that be just a guess...He just doesnt seem like the hold out type, but his agent IS Rosenhaus.

Yeah, I think it is Rosenhaus that worries me more than Barber as far as a holdout is concerned. Plus, it is the same situation as Larry Johnson last year. Barber, unless you guys draft a RB early, will be your workhorse this year and he knows that is shelf life isn't much longer, so he wants his money now before an injury occurs.

[LonghornsLegend]

It already is scary and we havent even begun discussing Newman's contract yet. That one may be impossible to get done.

Maybe its just me but depending on how our DB situation works out Newman wont be resigned, just imagine this scenario.


We draft Jenkins/Cason and they pan out, end up a stud...We get Pacman and he stays out of trouble, gets back to lockdown corner status, at that point we just need another slot corner.


I think its a good chance Newman gets franchised next season, which would make 2 more seasons he's with us, after that he's 32 years old and looking for a huge contract around the same time we need to re-sign Ware, if our cb situation works itself out this off season I could see Newman only having 2 seasons left(which isnt that bad at his age), but if Pacman doesnt fall through or our db doesnt pan out in the draft I think we lock him up.

[Jdallas]

Yep, I'm excited about this...The price range Barber is looking for is probably going to be negotiated somewhere in the middle, but I'm glad we have plans for him in the long term, that rules out McFadden for sure now...Sooner we get him done, we can move on to Canty and Hamlin, two guys I seriously want locked up.


Good news we are pursuing this, He's never been injured for us, and if we keep another back to spell him I love what he has to offer us.

I think Hamlin is as good as gone next season. Just look at the kind of money safeties were getting in free agency last year. Hamlin is much better than any of them and he doesn't even deserve that kind of money. With all the other young players that are going to need contracts soon we won't be able to give Hamlin the kind of money he is going to demand in the market.

On the Barber subject, there's no way that he is worth more than $6 million a year. I would even be tentative to give him that kind of money and would not go over a 5 year contract because the shelf life is so short for RBs. There is no doubt that Barber is one of the best players in the league at his position, but the falloff in production to an average back isn't very much when you consider the amount of cap space you can save.

[LonghornsLegend]

I disagree, Hamlin and us have already been in discussions about a deal, I've been telling people since before he was franchised he will be back, we will not let him AND Roy walk in another year or so, Hamlin is important, im 100% we dont let him go...Might not be worked out short term because of our cap space, but he's not going anywhere.

[M.O.T.H.]

Maybe its just me but depending on how our DB situation works out Newman wont be resigned, just imagine this scenario.


We draft Jenkins/Cason and they pan out, end up a stud...We get Pacman and he stays out of trouble, gets back to lockdown corner status, at that point we just need another slot corner.


I think its a good chance Newman gets franchised next season, which would make 2 more seasons he's with us, after that he's 32 years old and looking for a huge contract around the same time we need to re-sign Ware, if our cb situation works itself out this off season I could see Newman only having 2 seasons left(which isnt that bad at his age), but if Pacman doesnt fall through or our db doesnt pan out in the draft I think we lock him up.

I wouldnt be shocked if we didnt re-sign him. I dont know how we're going to afford him...he wants a Samuel type deal and someone will be willing to give it to him. Atleast if you trade for Pacman and draft a corner in the 1st, you're set, atleast in theory, if he departs. I would obviously, want him back but, the money may not work.

[D-Unit]

Right now Rosenhaus has leverage because Barber is the only back on the roster. Things will change after we spend a 1st day pick on RB.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

That is a good point, D-unit. Things will change some after the draft.


But we all want Barber signed soon. Everyone loves that guy. He is a fan favorite, and no one tries harder, down after down, than the Barbarian!!!!!!!!!!!

I absolutely love to watch him run. He is a warrior.

[M.O.T.H.]

That is a good point, D-unit. Things will change some after the draft.


But we all want Barber signed soon. Everyone loves that guy. He is a fan favorite, and no one tries harder, down after down, than the Barbarian!!!!!!!!!!!

I absolutely love to watch him run. He is a warrior.

Could be interesting w/ the potential for that stupid new stiff arm rule. Gonna take some getting used to but, he should be fine. It's complete BS, though if they do go w/ it.

[LonghornsLegend]

Could be interesting w/ the potential of that stupid new stiff arm rule. Gonna take some getting used to but, he should be fine.

Funny you mention that because that used to be the highlights of the game seeing Barber dismantle somebody's head with a stiff arm :D


And I agree on Newman, he might be unhappy but I think we let him play with the tag next year, he will be very old at that point and want insane money, which I dont think we have...2 more years of him is fine, if our db situation works out this off season we could part with him and that opens up plenty of room for Ware and others, but if Pacman doesnt fall thru or we dont have at least 2 other reliable options we might pony up the money, but I dont think I would be happy with giving him 50+ million at the age he will be in two years.

[thule]

If Dallas trades up for a RB this is probably the reason why. Hard to invest that much garunteed money into a guy that hasn't proved he can handle the load. Not saying he can't...just pointing out that he hasn't done it since high school. Not to mention that he has a physical running style....He is crazy to ask for that kind of money.

Hell we could get McFadden for that type of money....and although he hasn't proven anything on the NFL level if a team finds him elite and you know your going to have to pay Barber...maybe you do offer barber up and make your move. Something to watch for.

[thule]

When thinking about the deal that Newman is going to get I don't think we should be looking at samuel type deals...I think we should be looking at Trufants deal....the hometown discount plus the fact of wanting to play for a winner...will make it cheaper for us to sign him.

[M.O.T.H.]

When thinking about the deal that Newman is going to get I don't think we should be looking at samuel type deals...I think we should be looking at Trufants deal....the hometown discount plus the fact of wanting to play for a winner...will make it cheaper for us to sign him.

Hopefully, he helps us out. He's sounded ridiculous in his last few interviews. Saying he doesnt need the money but, he wants the money so, he can be recognized as one of the elite corners in the league. It may be very tough to get the deal done...and to worsen things, w/ all these mediocre type safeties getting big deals, the price for re-signing Hamlin goes up by the day.

[LonghornsLegend]

If Dallas trades up for a RB this is probably the reason why. Hard to invest that much garunteed money into a guy that hasn't proved he can handle the load. Not saying he can't...just pointing out that he hasn't done it since high school. Not to mention that he has a physical running style....He is crazy to ask for that kind of money.

Hell we could get McFadden for that type of money....and although he hasn't proven anything on the NFL level if a team finds him elite and you know your going to have to pay Barber...maybe you do offer barber up and make your move. Something to watch for.


Thats never going to happen, so I wouldnt even ponder that idea...


And as far as Newman he already stated he wants to be paid like one of the best, if he's serious about that, he wont want less then Samuel, keep in mind his deal might not be ready for another few years because he could end up playing with the tag next year, at that point the market is going to go up even more...If their is no cap in 2011 its a no brainer, but as of now I dont see it, Ware is going to be priority.

[Staubach12]

Give him 35 mil.

[Burns336]

I saw Rosenhaus (sp?) on ESPN yesterday and he said he has a great working relationship with The Cowboys and is 100% positive that a long term deal with Barber will be worked out.

This came just after his being pretty honest about Chad and Shockey wanting to leave their respective teams, so it seems like we have nothing to worry about.

[M.O.T.H.]

I wouldnt say it's anything to worry about...it will get done but, he should be realistic here and lower his demands.

[LonghornsLegend]

I have alot of respect for Rosenhaus, he's really a great agent in terms of players, and he has been trying to be ALOT more respectful as of lately since the whole TO circus...He's literally got every top big name athlete under him and he's working to get countless guys new deals and trades every off season, his job has got to be non-stop around the clock.

Either way It's good news to hear, if we keep another back in the rotation Barber has alot of wear left on his body, he's been splitting carries since college into the pros, I'd even be fine with Barber being our 3rd down, short yardage, goal line back with another explosive back, if we can keep him fresh he's going to give the defense hell trying to bring him down.

[PackerLegend]

"The Cowboys have held preliminary talks with the running back's agent, Drew Rosenhaus

Theres your problem right there, his agent. Rosenhaus is always looking to get absolutely enormous contracts that are to much for that particular player.

[shane_man]

I told you guys this situation would come up.

I told you Marion would demand the type of deal where he was a feature back... Geez I wish Miami had tried to sign him. He would have been perfect for them. Then we could have done so much more coming into this draft without being held over a barrel by a RB who requires another ******* back around to take the heat off him.

[Macarthur]

I really like Barber, but I think the Cowboys made a fair offer and need to stand firm.

He is not worth the type of money he wants and, as much as I would hate it, you may just have to let him walk if he doesn't sign that deal.