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Ozzy
04-19-2008, 08:47 AM
SENIOR RANKINGS
QB
Cullen Harper Clemson
John Parker Wilson Alabama
Chase Daniel Missouri
Rudy Carpenter Arizona St.
Todd Boeckman Ohio State
Nate Longshore Cal
Willie Tuitama Arizona
Curtis Painter Purdue
Drew Weatherford Florida St.
Bobby Reid Texas Southern
Mike Teel Rutgers
Ben Olson UCLA
Dustin Grutza Cincinnati
Patrick Pinkney East Carolina
Brian Johnson Utah
Hunter Cantwell Louisville
Josh Portis Maryland

RB
James Davis Clemson
Ian Johnson Boise State
Arian Foster Tennessee
Javon Ringer Michigan St.
Tyrell Sutton Northwestern
Branden Ore Virginia Tech
Mike Davis South Carolina
Antone Smith Florida State
Brad Lester Auburn
Cody Glenn Nebraska
Andre Brown NC State
Jorvorskie Lane Texas A&M
Keon Lattimore Maryland
Luke Lippincott Nevada
Jaycen Taylor Purdue
Kory Sheets Purdue
Maurice Wells Ohio St.
Marcus Thigpen Indiana
LaRod Stephens-Howling Pittsburgh
Kevin Grady Michigan
Tyrell Fenroy Louisiana-Lafeyette
Montario Hardesty Tennessee
Mico McSwain Mississippi

FB
Brannan Southerland Georgia
Asaph Schwapp Notre Dame
Conredge Collins Pittsburgh
Brock Bolen Louisville

WR
Brian Robiskie Ohio State
Jaison Williams Oregon
Jarrett Dillard Rice
Pat White West Virginia
Tiquan Underwood Rutgers
Patrick Turner USC
Brandon Gibson Washington State
Deon Butler Penn St.
Kenny McKinley South Carolina
Greg Carr Florida St.
Aaron Kelly Clemson
Mike Thomas Arizona
Derrick Williams Penn St.
David Richmond San Jose State
Mohammed Massaquoi Georgia
Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma
Brandon Tate UNC
Jordan Norwood Penn St.
Michael Jones Arizona State
Derek Kinder Pittsburgh
Quentin Chaney Oklahoma
Quan Cosby Texas
Andy Brodell Iowa
Deon Murphy Kansas State
Terrence Nunn Nebraska
Kinsmon Lancaster Louisiana Monroe
Jordan Shipley Texas
Ross Lane Northwestern

TE
Travis Beckum Wisconsin
Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St.
Chase Coffman Missouri
Kory Sperry Colorado State
Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
Bear Pascoe Fresno State
Cornelius Ingram Florida
Ryan Purvis Boston College
Rory Nicol Ohio St.
Chris Zellner Miami FL
Tony Moeaki Iowa
Jack Simmons Minnesota
Joe John Finley Oklahoma

OT
Michael Oher Mississippi
Alex Boone Ohio St.
Philip Loadholt Oklahoma
Jose Valdez Arkansas
Andrew Gardner Georgia Tech
Eugene Monroe Virginia
Ryan Stanchek West Virginia
Eric VandenHeuvel Wisconsin
Dace Richardson Iowa
Matt Slauson Nebraska
Yemi Babalola Texas A&M
Max Unger Oregon
Jake Figner West Virginia
Sean Sester Purdue
Reggie Youngblood Miami FL
Lyndon Murtha Nebraska

OG
Brandon Walker Oklahoma
Herman Johnson LSU
George Robinson Oklahoma
Chris DeGeare Wake Forest
Jeremy Perry Oregon St
Steve Rehring Ohio St.
Kraig Urbik Wisconsin
CJ Davis Pitt
Andy Kemp Wisconsin
BJ Stabler Alabama
Cedric Dockery Texas

C
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas
Antoine Caldwell Alabama
Brett Helms LSU
Eric Wood Louisville
Ryan Schmidt Kansas St.
Dumaka Atkins Florida St.
Robby Felix UTEP

DE
Tyson Jackson LSU
Antwain Robinson Arkansas
Kyle Moore USC
Brian Orakpo Texas
Stryler Sulak Missouri
Luis Vasquez Arizona State
Ian Campbell Kansas State
Tim Jamison Michigan
Michael Johnson Georgia Tech
Corey Wootton Northwestern
Mitch King Iowa
Eric Moncur Miami FL
Derek Walker Illinois
Russell Brorsen Kansas
Lawrence Wilson Ohio St.
Rulon Davis Cal
Will Davis Illinois
Cody Brown UCONN
Michael Bennett Texas A&M
Marcus Hands East Carolina
Mack Frost Maryland
Matthew Shaughnessy Wisconsin
Jamaal Westerman Rutgers
Trey Covington Maryland

DT
Fili Moala USC
Terrill Byrd Cincinnati
George Hypolite Colorado
Marlon Favorite LSU
B.J. Raji Boston College
Terrance Taylor Michigan
Rashaad Duncan Pitt
Darryl Richard Georgia Tech
Roy Miller Texas
Evander Hood Missouri
Jason Chapman Wisconsin
Charles Alexander LSU
Antonio Dixon Miami FL
David Lindquist Illinois
Ryan Baker Purdue

ILB
James Laurinaitis Ohio St.
Ray Maualuga USC
Sean Lee Penn State
Jasper Brinkley South Carolina
Mike Rivera Kansas
Anthony Felder California
Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
Gerald McRath Southern Miss
Ronnie Palmer Arizona
Scott McKillop Pitt
Rashad Bobino Texas
Maurice Crum Notre Dame
Derrick Nicholson Florida St.
John Thompson Michigan
Reggie Walker Kansas State
Jamar Chaney Miss State
Adam Leonard Hawaii

OLB
Brian Cushing USC
Darry Beckwith LSU
Marcus Freeman Ohio St.
Quentin Cotton East Carolina
Tyrone McKenzie South Florida
Dave Philistin Maryland
Reed Williams West Vriginia
Robert Henson TCU
Clay Matthews USC
James Holt Kansas
Clint Sintim Virginia
Mortty Ivy West Virginia
Joe Mortensen Kansas
Antonio Clay Clemson
Brit Miller Illinois
Anthony Heygood Purdue
Brian Toal Boston College
Moises Fokou Maryland
Steve Davis Minnesota
Ramon Humber North Dakota State
Spencer Adkins Miami FL
Ezekiel Knight Alabama
Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin
DeAndre Levy Wisconsin
Zack Follet Cal
Kevin Akins Boston College
Anthony Vernaglia Notre Dame
Willie Williams NA

CB
Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St.
Alphonso Smith Wake Forest
Victor Harris Virginia Tech
Tony Carter Florida St.
Darius Butler UCONN
DeAngelo Smith Cincinnati
Mike Mickens Cincinnati
Christopher Owens San Jose State
Cary Harris USC
Johnell Neal UCF
Michael Ray Garvin Florida St.
Allen Langford Wisconsin
Joe Burnett UCF
Tony Davis Penn State
Bruce Johnson Miami FL
Jahi Word-Daniels Georgia Tech
Carlos Thomas South Carolina
Brandon Hughes Oregon State
Morgan Trent Michigan
Stoney Woodson South Carolina
Danny Gorrer Texas A&M
Ellis Lankster West Virginia
Rod Council Louisville
Avery Atkins Florida
Charles Stewart Michigan
Chris Phillips Indiana
Mozique McCurtis USC

S
Derek Pegues Miss State
Patrick Chung Oregon
Reshard Langford Vanderbilt
Nic Harris Oklahoma
Kevin Ellison USC
Curtis Taylor LSU
Michael Hamlin Clemson
Courtney Greene Rutgers
Otis Wiley Michigan State
Josh Pinkard USC
Troy Nolan Arizona State
Anthony Scirrotto Penn State
Dominic Jones NA
JeMario O'Neal Ohio St.
Demetrice Morley NA
Nate Ness Arizona
William Moore Missouri
Randy Phillips Miami FL
Bernard Hicks Cal
Gary Chandler Kansas State
Brandon Harrison Michigan
Jamarca Sanford Mississippi
Chris Keys Alabama
Lovon Ponder Miami FL
Chris Clemons Clemson
Brandon Tatum Arizona

PR
Marcus Thigpen Indiana
Derrick Williams Penn State
Joe Burnett UCF

Kicker
Ryan Succop South Carolina
Graham Gano Florida State

Punter
Britton Colquitt Tennessee
AJ Trapasso Ohio State



JUNIOR RANKINGS
QB
Matthew Stafford Georgia
Tim Tebow Florida
Josh Freeman Kansas State
Colt McCoy Texas
Dan LeFevour Central Michigan
Todd Reesing Kansas
Isiah 'Juice' Williams Illinois
Mark Sanchez USC
Kellen Lewis Indiana
Matt Grothe South Florida
Max Hall BYU
Jameel Sewell NA
Ryan Perrilloux LSU
Armanti Edwards Appalachian State
Zac Robinson Oklahoma State
Mitch Mustain USC
Jevan Snead Mississippi
Jarrett Brown West Virginia

RB
Chris Wells Ohio State
CJ Gable USC
CJ Spiller Clemson
PJ Hill Wisconsin
Stafon Johnson USC
Damion Fletcher Southern Miss
Mike Goodson Texas A&M
Anthony Dixon Miss State
Mikell Simpson Virginia
Keiland Williams LSU
Anthony Allen Louisville
Emmanuel Moody Florida
Charles Stewart LSU
Trindon Holliday LSU
Chris Brown Oklahoma
Jake Sharp Kansas
Javarris James Miami FL
Ben Tate Auburn
Leon Patton Kansas State
LaMarcus Coker Tennessee
Jay Thomas Minnesota
Dimitri Nance Arizona State
Brandon James Florida

FB
Brody Eldridge Oklahoma

WR
Percy Harvin Florida
Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland
Danario Alexander Missouri
Brandon LaFell LSU
Hakeem Nicks UNC
Jacoby Ford Clemson
Brian Hartline Ohio State
Greg Matthews Michigan
Oderick Turner Pitt
Ray Small Ohio State
Kenny Britt Rutgers
Jeremy Childs Boise State
Jared Cook South Carolina
Eric Decker Minnesota
Jesse Meyer Tulsa
Tim Brown Rutgers
Chris McGaha Arizona State
Jeff Cumberland Illinois
Dominique Douglas Iowa
Jessie Hester South Florida
Wes Lyons West Virginia
Robby Parrish Notre Dame
Sam Shields Miami FL
Marquis Hamilton Iowa State
Trent Guy Louisville
Mark Dell Michigan State
Fred Rouse UTEP
Riley Cooper Florida
Mike Williams Syracuse

TE
Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
Cody Slate Marshall
Andrew Quarless Penn State
Dennis Pitta BYU
Carson Butler Michigan
Richard Dickson LSU
Garrett Graham Wisconsin
Tommy Trott Auburn
Cedric Hill South Florida
Jake Ballard Ohio State
Sam Wheeler Virginia Tech
Gabe McKenzie Auburn
Ben Cleveland Arkansas
Charlie Graham Florida St.

OT
Andre Smith Alabama
Ciron Black LSU
Russell Okung Oklahoma State
Charles Brown USC
Trent Williams Oklahoma
Calvin Wilson Southern Miss
Sam Young Notre Dame
Steve Schilling Michigan
Adam Ulatoski Texas
Aleksey Lanis UCLA
Hutch Eckerson South Carolina

OG
Jamie Thomas Maryland
Morgan Rosborough Washington
Nedward Tavale Minnesota

C
Rafael Eubanks Iowa

DE
George Selvie South Florida
Jeffrey Fitzgerald NA
Maurice Evans Penn State
Eric Norwood South Carolina
Everette Brown Florida State
Malcolm Sheppard Arkansas
Ricky Sapp Clemson
Greg Hardy Mississippi
Jan Jorgensen BYU
Brandon Graham Michigan
Jermaine Cunningham Florida
Antonio Coleman Auburn
Doug Pilcher Illinois
Jeff Wheeler Kansas


DT
Ricky Jean-Francois LSU
DeMarcus Granger Oklahoma
Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
Al Woods LSU
Boo Robinson Wake Forest
Doug Thacker Florida St.
Caleb Blakesley Kansas

OLB
Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
Tray Blackmon Auburn
Reggie Carter UCLA
Dekoda Watson Florida State
Colin McCarthy Miami FL
Marcus Ball Florida State
Sergio Kindle Texas
Rico McCoy Tennessee
AJ Edds Iowa
Dustin Doe Florida
Ross Homan Ohio State
Matt Featherston Texas A&M

ILB
Prince Hall Alabama
Brandon Spikes Florida
Obi Ezeh Michigan
Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
Elijah Hodge Wisconsin

CB
Vontae Davis Illinois
Asher Allen Georgia
Shareece Wright USC
Captain Munnerlyn South Carolina
Jerraud Powers Auburn
Donald Washington Ohio State
Dere Hicks Illinois
Jamie Robinson Florida St.
Aaron Berry Pitt
Walter Thurmond Oregon
Jerome Murphy South Florida
Vic Hall Virginia
Sherrick McManis Northwestern
Royce Adams Purdue
Bryan Evans Georgia
Jairus Byrd Oregon
Javier Arenas Alabama
Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
TJ Williams NA
Patrick Robinson Florida St.
Darrin Walls Notre Dame
AJ Wallace Penn State
Chavez Grant Miami FL
AJ Jefferson Fresno State
Jordan Peterson Texas A&M

S
Myron Rolle Florida St.
Kam Chancellor Virginia Tech
Taylor Mays USC
Emanuel Cook South Carolina
Aairon Savage Auburn
Andre Sexton Oklahoma St.
Justin Thornton Kansas
Harry Coleman LSU
Anderson Russell Ohio State
Darian Stewart South Carolina
Nate Allen South Florida
Quinton Andrews West Virginia
Kurt Coleman Ohio State
Robert Vaughn UCONN
Dorian Munroe Florida

PR
Trindon Holliday LSU
Brandon James Florida
AJ Jefferson Fresno State
Javier Arenas Alabama



SOPHOMORE RANKINGS
QB
Ryan Mallett Arkansas
Colin Kaepernick Nevada
Sam Bradford Oklahoma
Eddie McGee Illinois
Tyrod Taylor Virginia Tech
Cody Hawkins Colorado
Jake Locker Washington
Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame
Chris Smelley South Carolina
Willy Korn Clemson
Josh Nesbitt Georgia Tech


RB
LeSean McCoy Pitt
Knowshon Moreno Georgia
Noel Devine West Virginia
Joe McKnight USC
DeMarco Murray Oklahoma
Brandon Saine Ohio State
Jahvid Best Cal
Anthony Elzy UNC
Duane Bennett Minnesota
Terry Grant Alabama
Josh Adams Wake Forest
Graig Cooper Miami FL
Harvey Unga BYU
Keith Payne Virginia
Marc Tyler USC
Jeremy Avery Boise State
DJ Harper Boise State

FB
Charles Clay Tulsa
Stanley Havili USC

WR
Michael Crabtree Texas Tech
Arrelious Benn Illinois
Jeremy Maclin Missouri
Preston Parker FSU
Vidal Hazelton USC
Davis Ausberry USC
James Rodgers Oregon State
Dezmon Briscoe Kansas
Kyle Jefferson Wisconsin
Scotty McKnight Colorado
Titus Young Boise State
Duval Kamara Notre Dame
Antonio Brown Central Michigan
Ralph Spry Minnesota

TE
Rob Gronkowski Arizona
Aaron Hernandez Florida
Bruce Figgins Georgia
Wesley Saunders South Carolina

OT
Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
Ryan Miller Colorado
Josh Oglesby Wisconsin
Trinton Sturdivant Georgia
Ryan Pugh Auburn
John Bender Nevada
Dominic Alford Minnesota

OG
Anthony Davis Rutgers
Maurkice Pouncey Florida
Tray Allen Texas
John Elliott Boston College

C
Kristofer O'Dowd USC

DT
Marvin Autsin North Carolina
Gerald McCoy Oklahoma
Brian Price UCLA
Ladi Ajiboye South Carolina
Scooter Berry West Virginia

DE
Everson Griffen USC
Cliff Matthews South Carolina
Jeremy Beal OU

ILB
Chris Galippo USC
Nick Bellore Central Michigan
Rolando McClain Alabama

OLB
Greg Jones Michigan State
Rennie Curran Georgia
Anthony Barnes Georgia Tech
Martez Wilson Illinois
Lawrence Wilson UCONN
Adrian Moten Maryland
Eric Gordon Michigan State
Jacody Coleman Iowa

CB
Chris Harris Kansas
Donovan Warren Michigan
Kareem Jackson Alabama
Kendric Burney UNC
Joe Haden Florida
Aaron Henry Wisconsin
Chimdi Chekwa Ohio State
Byron Maxwell Clemson

S
Eric Berry Tennessee
Major Wright Florida
Zac Etheridge Auburn
Joe Lefeged Rutgers
Deunta Williams UNC
Eugene Clifford Ohio State

PR
Jeremy Maclin Missouri
Jahvid Best Cal

neko4
04-19-2008, 08:59 AM
Cullen Harper could very well be the best, but Josh Portis wont even start next year I bet

I would make CLausen and Bradford 1 and 2

boisefan
04-19-2008, 09:15 AM
Ian Johnson would be explosive, but Jeremy Avery will most likely get a bulk of the carries for Boise State.

Michigan
04-19-2008, 09:18 AM
Morgan Trent (who I'll likely be pimping for the rest of 2008/09) is WAYY too low. Blazing speed, great coverage skills, 3 years of starting experience, good size, former WR, played great in big games, etc...

I like the effort though, so +rep

neko4
04-19-2008, 09:30 AM
Ian Johnson would be explosive, but Jeremy Avery will most likely get a bulk of the carries for Boise State.
really?
I guess thats actually a good thing for Ian so he wont be all beat up before he hits the pros

BaLLiN
04-19-2008, 10:02 AM
Graig Cooper is SOOOOO low, good job though

Yatta!
04-19-2008, 10:25 AM
Nice work. Where is Marlon Lucky though and you have Jon-Joe Finley ranked when he was a senior this year.

BaLLiN
04-19-2008, 10:32 AM
will Javorski Lane be considered a FB or RB?

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 11:58 AM
Not sure what position Lane will play, just is an interesting prospect but will really have to play better than he did last year. Everyone loves power RB's, but he is not even close to Caulcrick in terms of athletic ability. And I am not sure but I would guess Lane cannot block well enough to play fullback. Will be very interesting to see how he plays this year.

Marlon Lucky I have never really liked a lot, but yeah he should be on the list, there are worse RB's I have listed.


Cooper was very disappointing I felt last year, sure the offense was not great but he ran so weak. Sure he was fast but he went down way to easily.


Morgan Trent is ok but I would not consider him a great CB just yet. He is solid but I do not see this blazing speed you speak of. He is not a lock down corner at all, or at least I have not seen that. But yeah with a good year he could go higher, especially since there are a lot of average or unproven CB's in the middle of that group.


As for little old Jimmy, I hate the kid, honestly because I hated how his brothers played football. Casey was one of my most hated players ever, threw a horrible ball. Sure Jimmy is a little better but last year he was nothing great, but will wait and see. He better hope he is better than his crap brothers.

georgiafan
04-19-2008, 12:02 PM
nice job with the list, you may have forgot about DT Jeff Owens from UGA

neko4
04-19-2008, 12:16 PM
also Keon Lattimore is already in the draft

Please remove

Keon Lattimore Maryland

P-L
04-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Morgan Trent is ok but I would not consider him a great CB just yet. He is solid but I do not see this blazing speed you speak of.
Trent is extremely fast. Here is when he ran down Percy Harvin from behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybFWy9_-Pk

He also ran track in High School and beat Ted Ginn in the 200m and 400m one year. Granted track speed is different than football speed, but Trent is still really fast.

kwilk103
04-19-2008, 01:26 PM
1. reed williams is a mlb

2. watch out for soph olb jt thomas

3. even though hes a soph, lasean mccoy is eligable for the 09 draft; it goes by when you enter hs, and he didnt grad on time, so he went to prep; hes a soph eligability, but 3 yrs from hs

Cigaro
04-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Jared Cook is a TE, not WR. Norwood moved from DE to OLB. Also surprised that Emmanuel Cook and Captain Munnerlyn weren't in the top two for their class, as they were All-SEC as true sophomores.

Also, is this for NFL, or in college rankings?

BaLLiN
04-19-2008, 03:12 PM
Trent is extremely fast. Here is when he ran down Percy Harvin from behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybFWy9_-Pk

He also ran track in High School and beat Ted Ginn in the 200m and 400m one year. Granted track speed is different than football speed, but Trent is still really fast.

im a michigan/miami fan, and i personally dislike Trent. All i can remember is him tripping balls in the ohio state game, and the USC game.

DragonFireKai
04-19-2008, 03:18 PM
You're missing Sammie Stroughter in the Senior Class.

jballa838
04-19-2008, 03:29 PM
is this prospect rankings or collegiate talent rankings? either way nice work. Here is some rep to make up for when I neg repped you.

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Jared Cook is a TE, not WR. Norwood moved from DE to OLB. Also surprised that Emmanuel Cook and Captain Munnerlyn weren't in the top two for their class, as they were All-SEC as true sophomores.

Also, is this for NFL, or in college rankings?
I am a huge South Carolina fan as well, and Cook well it could go either way but honestly he does not have TE skills. Sure he could play TE but so could a lot of other players who ended up at WR. Either way he is a fine target.

And Munnerlyn there is absolutely no way he is better than Vontae Davis. Is he better than Allen or Wright, possibly, we will see but Davis is flat out the clear #1 SOPH CB.

Same thing at safety, Rolle, Mays and Chancellor are all better than Cook, but yes Cook is right up there. Really played good last year.


And these are more along the lines of NFL draft rankings, but clearly it is a little of both because early on it is more about on the field production and proving themselves in college. Then it goes to the next step.

KCJ58
04-19-2008, 03:32 PM
Erik Lorig not on your DE Jr. rankings and not having Colin Baxter on your OG Sophomore rankings make it a bad list

Joeyjr09
04-19-2008, 03:52 PM
Cooper was very disappointing I felt last year, sure the offense was not great but he ran so weak. Sure he was fast but he went down way to easily.


You didn't watch a single Miami game all year did you? He was breaking tackles right and left with his quickness. He did not disappoint at all. He lead the team in rushing and played far better then anyone expected him play. He gained weight this offseason and has kept his speed. The kid is a monster.

And how you can call him a dissappointment and then put people that barely saw the field above him is a mystery to me.

504 to ATL
04-19-2008, 04:07 PM
LSU's junior RB is Charles Scott, not Stewart. Just pointing out the typo.

Morgan Burnett for Ga Tech at safety should be pretty high for a sophomore.

Cigaro
04-19-2008, 05:27 PM
I am a huge South Carolina fan as well, and Cook well it could go either way but honestly he does not have TE skills. Sure he could play TE but so could a lot of other players who ended up at WR. Either way he is a fine target.

At season start he'll be at 250 pounds. How many 250 pound receivers are out there? :confused:

And Munnerlyn there is absolutely no way he is better than Vontae Davis. Is he better than Allen or Wright, possibly, we will see but Davis is flat out the clear #1 SOPH CB.

I wouldn't say flat out clear. He may be better, but if so, not by much. Both were All-Conference as sophomore and both are extremely fluid cover corners. In terms of play, there is little seperating them. The only main difference I see; height and hype.

Same thing at safety, Rolle, Mays and Chancellor are all better than Cook, but yes Cook is right up there. Really played good last year.

I do believe Mays and Rolle are better than Cook, but not Chancellor. Cook flat out outplayed him. Cook is one of the most feared hitters in the SEC, and led the team in tackles despite playing safety. He also has pretty good coverage skills.

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 05:52 PM
You didn't watch a single Miami game all year did you? He was breaking tackles right and left with his quickness. He did not disappoint at all. He lead the team in rushing and played far better then anyone expected him play. He gained weight this offseason and has kept his speed. The kid is a monster.

And how you can call him a dissappointment and then put people that barely saw the field above him is a mystery to me.Still need to see more good running out of him, and not even rushing for 1000 yards is not that impressive season, especially considering that really he had no quality competition to take carries away from him. Has ability but I have to see a lot more good plays from him. If he was as good as you make him out to be Miami would have been a much better team last year. But yeah could always make improvements and increase his stock, anyone can.

Jonny
04-19-2008, 06:04 PM
What were your criteria for this list? If it was pure stats, let me warn you that Kenny Britt is a far, far better prospect than Tiquan Underwood. Anthony Davis has also moved to LT and looks like a fixture there.

Some other Knights to watch:

SR TE Kevin Brock
JR C Ryan Blaszczyk
SR DE Gary Watts
JR DE George Johnson
SR DT Pete Tverdov
SR LB Kevin Malast
JR LB Ryan D’Imperio
SR CB Jason McCourty

doingthisinsteadofwork
04-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Based off of your rankings you probably dont watch alot of Cal games do you?

bwillie26
04-19-2008, 06:13 PM
Couple things I noticed ..

LaMarcus Coker got dismissed from Tennessee last year before the season even started.

Cody Glenn isn't a RB anymore. Even if he was, I don't see how you can have him rated ahead of Lucky. Glenn barely played last year and was our 4th string RB this spring before he moved to LB.

jared
04-19-2008, 06:20 PM
Great effort and a pretty good list. A big one I think you missed is BYU speedster Austin Collie on the JR WRs. I think he belongs at least halfway up that list.

also: Dicky Lyons Jr., SR WR for Kentucky

Joeyjr09
04-19-2008, 07:01 PM
Still need to see more good running out of him, and not even rushing for 1000 yards is not that impressive season, especially considering that really he had no quality competition to take carries away from him. Has ability but I have to see a lot more good plays from him. If he was as good as you make him out to be Miami would have been a much better team last year. But yeah could always make improvements and increase his stock, anyone can.

Please, please tell me you have more common sense then to post crap like this.

You never anwsered my question. Did you watch Miami at all last year?

I can't believe you said Coop didn't have any quality competition. The Miami backfield is loaded. Jarvarris James, Cooper, Shawnbrey McNeal and Derron Thomas all got PT last season, and good amounts of it. Cooper was even the starter. JJ was. Cooper was sharing carries with good backs all season.

If Cooper was as good as I made him out to be then Miami would have been better? Bro, watch some damn Miami games before you talk about Miami. Cooper cannot play defense. Cooper cannot play WR. Cooper was not the QB who completed 1 out of 14 passes against NC State. He is not God. He is a RB.

Dude, you better do your research before coming and posting this crap. You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.

neko4
04-19-2008, 07:04 PM
once again...
Keon Lattimore Maryland

He is already in the 08 draft unless something happened

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 07:34 PM
Based off of your rankings you probably dont watch alot of Cal games do you?Yes in Minnesota we do not get a lot of Cal games much less Pac-10 games.

Really like Best at RB or WR no matter what position, speed is speed. Hicks is an interesting prospect at safety and they have a lot of LB's with talent. Love Felder at ILB, and Follett and Williams are good too. But yes I do hope to see more of them overall. And Longshore, hard to say what he brings to the table, not sure I see superstar in him but then again I thought Ayoob had promise but he never turned out.


Please, please tell me you have more common sense then to post crap like this.

You never anwsered my question. Did you watch Miami at all last year?

I can't believe you said Coop didn't have any quality competition. The Miami backfield is loaded. Jarvarris James, Cooper, Shawnbrey McNeal and Derron Thomas all got PT last season, and good amounts of it. Cooper was even the starter. JJ was. Cooper was sharing carries with good backs all season.

If Cooper was as good as I made him out to be then Miami would have been better? Bro, watch some damn Miami games before you talk about Miami. Cooper cannot play defense. Cooper cannot play WR. Cooper was not the QB who completed 1 out of 14 passes against NC State. He is not God. He is a RB.

Dude, you better do your research before coming and posting this crap. You have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.Oh come on man, James are you kidding me, he is not that talented at all and McNeal basically disappeared after the A&M game. To say that backfield is talented is ridiculous to me, sure they have potential but on the field but all of them did not do much.

I watched three Miami games last year, sure ideally I would see them all but I was not able to do that since I do not live in their state or timezone.

And let us be honest here, you are obviously a Miami fan so yes might be a little biased. I too like Miami and hope them well as a program but that does not change what they did. I would love to say Miami is stacked at RB but sadly they are not. Thanks to a great recruiting class maybe things will turn around for them though as a hole and they can get some more depth and talent.

Best of luck to Cooper but again honestly how much promise can you put into a quick little RB that is barely over 200 pounds. Just look at Steve Slaton and how no one is really talking about him in this years draft. Why because he is small and unless he is a great return man and can catch passes out of the backfield teams will greatly question his size and ability to hold up under contact. Sure little backs can make it but they have to show they can take a pounding, break tackles and not get injured.

In terms of talent in his class, Cooper is no where close to guys like McCoy, Moreno, or Knight. If any of those RB's were on Miami last year they would have had much more productive seasons I am sure. And no way they would sit behind James either.

Again do not get me wrong, I like Cooper I just do not think he is at the level of being a great prospect yet.

DragonFireKai
04-19-2008, 07:39 PM
Yes in Minnesota we do not get a lot of Cal games much less Pac-10 games.


Yeah, let me help you out. At a very minimum, you need to add Alex Mack at Center, and Sammy Stroughter at WR and Return.

Sniper
04-19-2008, 07:57 PM
Some Michigan guys to look out for.

Jr. RB Carlos Brown
Sr. RB Brandon Minor
Sr. TE Carson Butler

mqtirishfan
04-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Oh come on man, James are you kidding me, he is not that talented at all

James is very talented, my friend.

Oh, and are you serious with this R. Parrish business?

Joeyjr09
04-19-2008, 08:09 PM
Oh come on man, James are you kidding me, he is not that talented at all and McNeal basically disappeared after the A&M game. To say that backfield is talented is ridiculous to me, sure they have potential but on the field but all of them did not do much.

I watched three Miami games last year, sure ideally I would see them all but I was not able to do that since I do not live in their state or timezone.

And let us be honest here, you are obviously a Miami fan so yes might be a little biased. I too like Miami and hope them well as a program but that does not change what they did. I would love to say Miami is stacked at RB but sadly they are not. Thanks to a great recruiting class maybe things will turn around for them though as a hole and they can get some more depth and talent.

Best of luck to Cooper but again honestly how much promise can you put into a quick little RB that is barely over 200 pounds. Just look at Steve Slaton and how no one is really talking about him in this years draft. Why because he is small and unless he is a great return man and can catch passes out of the backfield teams will greatly question his size and ability to hold up under contact. Sure little backs can make it but they have to show they can take a pounding, break tackles and not get injured.

In terms of talent in his class, Cooper is no where close to guys like McCoy, Moreno, or Knight. If any of those RB's were on Miami last year they would have had much more productive seasons I am sure. And no way they would sit behind James either.

Again do not get me wrong, I like Cooper I just do not think he is at the level of being a great prospect yet.

Dude, please, please stop talking right now. You are making yourself look bad.

Jarvarris James has 1,384 yards rushing on 334 carries for a solid 4.1 YPC average during his 2 years at Miami. And that's dealing with injuries that hamper him all last season. Those are rock solid stats. He's not talented at all? What a joke.

McNeal did nothing after the A&M game? Bro please stop talkng about Miami. McNeal didn't even start seeing the field until after the A&M game. He got alot of time against GaTech 3 weeks after the A&M game and was seeing basically all the time on returns late in the year away from Cooper.

Cooper rushed for close to 700 yards last year on only 125 carries and a 5.5 YPC. What more do you want out of a freshman with a part time role?

The backfield as a whole last season had 1631 yards rushing on 341 carries and a 4.78 YPC average. What more do you want out of a backfield? They carried the taem last season, they were the only bright spot.

And don't give me crap about Cooper's size. He's bigger then Noel Devine, Duane Bennet, Terry Grant, Josh Adams and others. All much, much smaller then Cooper. Cooper actually outweighs all of them by a good 10 pounds and that was before he bulked up.

Oh and of course he's not close to Moreno or McCoy or Devine. Those are three of the best RBs in college football. But he is better then Brandon Saine, Jahvid Best, Anthony Elzy, Duane Bennett, Terry Grant, and Josh Adams.

So please like I said before. Do a little research before you post this crap.

And don't bring up Cooper breakle tackles anymore. He breaks tackles right and left. This is what makes it obvious that you didn't see any of Miami last year. He was making alot of people miss. Alot. He was juking people out of their skin last season just about every time he bounced outside. He average 5.5 YPC. You don't get those kinda numbers without breaking tackles.

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 08:13 PM
So was Stroughter injured last year then? Will be quite a par if this guy is really that good and combine him with Rodgers. Saw Oregon State and their bowl game, what a defense too bad all three LB's are gone and both talented DE's. What a shame, oh and Bernard is also gone, but was impressed with the talent they had.

And sorry I guess his name is spelled like Parris, and yes I like him as a WR. Tall kid, long arms, soft hands no reason he could not be a good one.

As for Michigan, wow that will be interesting, they lost almost everyone off of that team. They have two fine CBs, Matthews and play and yeah Butler is a good TE and Jamison is a monster plus Taylor is talented at DT. Overall though, with the system change they are getting plus the lack of great talent, wow it is going to be hard for them to get wins.

mqtirishfan
04-19-2008, 08:17 PM
And sorry I guess his name is spelled like Parris, and yes I like him as a WR. Tall kid, long arms, soft hands no reason he could not be a good one.



Gah, I should know that, really. I've had it in my head that his name is Parrish for a long time. I watched him play this year, and he simply isn't very good. He can't get open, and he's not very fast.

Ozzy
04-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Well again saying a players combined two seasons of work is impressive when good RB's get those same "stats" in one season....and let us be honest their RB talent is **** compared to what they used to have. None of the players on last years team have talent like the real E.James or McGahee. Sure they are average but since when has Miami had average backs?

You feel one way, I feel another way. That is fine, neither of us are going to change our minds. Cooper could be great this year or he could disappoint, we will find out when the season starts. Hopefully for Miami's future he is as good as you say he is.



As for doing research, you post your college football class rankings then we can have a more all around conversation that does not surround your favorite team. Again it is great to have second opinions but when they are biased fan opinions kind of skews things.

DragonFireKai
04-19-2008, 08:25 PM
So was Stroughter injured last year then? Will be quite a par if this guy is really that good and combine him with Rodgers. Saw Oregon State and their bowl game, what a defense too bad all three LB's are gone and both talented DE's. What a shame, oh and Bernard is also gone, but was impressed with the talent they had.

Stroughter's redshirt for his bruised kidney was approved. Stroughter was a 3rd team all american as a junior. He had almost 1,300 yards recieving, and has DeSean Jackson style speed.

Actually, the top two pass rushers are still on the team. Victor Butler and Slade Norris were seeing as much playing time as Smith and Van Orsow. Norris in particular is scary. He's a converted safety who runs in the low 4.5s. Riley was experimenting, because Afalava and Piscitelli had the safety spots locked down at the time, so he slid him down onto the D-Line. 9 sacks later, he's staying there.

Michigan
04-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Some Michigan guys to look out for.

Jr. RB Carlos Brown
Sr. RB Brandon Minor
Sr. TE Carson Butler

Jr. RB Brandon Minor
RS Jr. TE Carson Butler

EDIT- OP must have never watched Brandon Graham play. Ranked incredibly low for his potential...

YAYareaRB
04-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Stroughter's redshirt for his bruised kidney was approved. Stroughter was a 3rd team all american as a junior. He had almost 1,300 yards recieving, and has DeSean Jackson style speed.

Actually, the top two pass rushers are still on the team. Victor Butler and Slade Norris were seeing as much playing time as Smith and Van Orsow. Norris in particular is scary. He's a converted safety who runs in the low 4.5s. Riley was experimenting, because Afalava and Piscitelli had the safety spots locked down at the time, so he slid him down onto the D-Line. 9 sacks later, he's staying there.

Al Afalava is my cousin.. yyyyyeah just thought I'd put that out there hahahaha!

Joeyjr09
04-19-2008, 08:44 PM
Well again saying a players combined two seasons of work is impressive when good RB's get those same "stats" in one season....and let us be honest their RB talent is **** compared to what they used to have. None of the players on last years team have talent like the real E.James or McGahee. Sure they are average but since when has Miami had average backs?

You feel one way, I feel another way. That is fine, neither of us are going to change our minds. Cooper could be great this year or he could disappoint, we will find out when the season starts. Hopefully for Miami's future he is as good as you say he is.

As for doing research, you post your college football class rankings then we can have a more all around conversation that does not surround your favorite team. Again it is great to have second opinions but when they are biased fan opinions kind of skews things.

So because he isn't Edge or McGahee he sucks? Really great logic. Every Miami back now has to be dominant like the elite backs Miami has had in the past or they are just average. There is no such thing as a good back at Miami. They are either elite or they suck. Great logic man.

JJ is a good back. He splits time with guys which is why it takes 2 years to get those stats. It has nothing to do with how good he is. It is the situation he is in. Guys that are the teams only back get alot more carries then guy like JJ that share the ball with 3 other people. That does not make JJ a bad back. That just means he's in a different situation. So again your logic sucks, just because he isn't a feature back you think he is horrible. More great logic on your part.

BTW...As for calling me a biased fan. Really pointless. I can be a fan of a team and have an objective look of my team. Calling me biased and all this crap is really annoying and undercuts the point of getting into discussions with you. If you want to post and have people give their insites and opinions, expect people to post about their own teams. Calling them biased and trying to invalidate their opinion like you are doing is a childish thing to do. Grow up man. I wasn't saying Cooper is the best RB in his class. There's about 5 or 6 that are better. But he is way ahead of some of the guys you have above him on your list and even a non Miami fan mentioned that earlier in the thread.

EDIT: BTW. You completely ignored the ND fan that tried to tell you that Javarris James is a good back. Guess he has a Miami bias as well. (rolls eyes)

Solomon
04-20-2008, 02:51 AM
As somebody already mentioned not having Alex Mack is a massive omission.

iworshipbender
04-20-2008, 03:08 AM
You're all going to hear all about Jeremiah Johnson this upcoming year for the ducks

Ware_HITStick
04-20-2008, 08:27 AM
Nice to see South Carolina have so many highly regarded players

damasta13
04-20-2008, 11:16 AM
I don't know as much about NCAA football than NFL, but I do watch quite a bit of it, but I always thought Pat White was West Virginia's QB, yet your list seems to have him labelled as a WR.
Is that right, have I missed some announcement about him saying he is now gonna be a WR?

draftguru151
04-20-2008, 11:55 AM
Hmm, in James freshman season he was 30 yards short of the freshman rushing record at Miami. In Cooper's freshman season he had the 3rd most productive season for a UM freshman. And this is with no passing threat and a mediocre OL. But yea, these are definitely some no talent scrubs.

Pretty mediocre rankings.

mqtirishfan
04-20-2008, 12:21 PM
I don't know as much about NCAA football than NFL, but I do watch quite a bit of it, but I always thought Pat White was West Virginia's QB, yet your list seems to have him labelled as a WR.
Is that right, have I missed some announcement about him saying he is now gonna be a WR?

He'll be WVU's QB, but he has no long-term potential at QB because he do the whole passing thing.

Yatta!
04-20-2008, 12:26 PM
I don't know as much about NCAA football than NFL, but I do watch quite a bit of it, but I always thought Pat White was West Virginia's QB, yet your list seems to have him labelled as a WR.
Is that right, have I missed some announcement about him saying he is now gonna be a WR?

No White will still be starting at QB for West Virginia but he obviously doesn't possess the size to be a QB in the NFL. However, with his speed and rushing ability he could easily play at WR a la Randle El or Brad Smith etc

SuperMcGee
04-20-2008, 12:27 PM
A sophomore safety to look out for would be Davonte Shannon from Buffalo (he's a rare bright spot, cut me some slack). He was a First Team Freshmen All-American on Scout.com and 2nd Team FAA for the Sporting News. He led all freshmen in tackles and was 1st-Team All-MAC (which is actually good for someone from Buffalo). Very impressive against the run and pass, albeit not always against the greatest competition. He can definitely make a name for himself.

ESimsfan87
04-20-2008, 12:39 PM
Good list for the most part but you missed out on Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour.

He's gonna get a shot because at least in college he's put up better stats than half of those other qb's

kwilk103
04-20-2008, 01:01 PM
white looked very good passing the ball in the spring game

12-16 with 1 int; the int he wouldnt have thrown in a regular game; there was a db in front of him and in a real game he would have taken off, but he had a no contact jersey on

other 3 incompletions, he overthrew a te that would have gone for 25 yds, and the other 2 were drops

oh, and NONE were bubble screens

mqtirishfan
04-20-2008, 01:25 PM
white looked very good passing the ball in the spring game

12-16 with 1 int; the int he wouldnt have thrown in a regular game; there was a db in front of him and in a real game he would have taken off, but he had a no contact jersey on


There's this thing called throwing the ball away. It's way, way better than throwing it at a defender.

Joeyjr09
04-20-2008, 01:31 PM
There's this thing called throwing the ball away. It's way, way better than throwing it at a defender.

And since when does a no contact jersey mean you can't run? Every QB wears a no contact jersey during spring games and they still run. It just means your down once your touched, not that you can't try to make a play with your legs.

btw...how many yards passing did he have? 12-16 is very good but 12-16 with a bunch of dump offs is way different then 12-16 with downfield passing, and a 0 TDs to 1 INT ratio has me thinking it was short passes.

kwilk103
04-20-2008, 01:35 PM
yea, i see what your sayin, but in a game he would have taken off; he was goin to but stopped real quick; it would have been about a 2 yd gain (2 hand touch for him)

he looked real good though; only that and another pass in which he overthrew the receiver

he had a nice pass to a wide open te in the endzone on a fade from about 20 yds out; defender came from behind, he stepped up, but they said he was sacked (it was a bad call)

heres a vid of the play i was talkin about

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9183316078195671282&hl=en

kwilk103
04-20-2008, 01:36 PM
And since when does a no contact jersey mean you can't run? Every QB wears a no contact jersey during spring games and they still run. It just means your down once your touched, not that you can't try to make a play with your legs.

btw...how many yards passing did he have? 12-16 is very good but 12-16 with a bunch of dump offs is way different then 12-16 with downfield passing, and a 0 TDs to 1 INT ratio has me thinking it was short passes.

he ran some, but it would have been for about a yd; they were very cautious with him; he actually had 1 td, and another where they said he was sacked (it was a bad call)

133 yds=11.08 ypc

Joeyjr09
04-20-2008, 01:41 PM
he ran some, but it would have been for about a yd; they were very cautious with him; he actually had 1 td, and another where they said he was sacked (it was a bad call)

133 yds=11.08 ypc

um QBs are rated with Yards per attempt. Not yards per catch, those are for WRs. 133 is 8.31 YPA. A little on the low side.

As for the INT. Kinda hard for you to defend it. You know better then that. He could have thrown the ball away or he could have ran for the 2 yards you said he could have gotten. Both are way, way better then an INT. No excuses for that from a SR QB.

EDIT: The video for the TD that was called back is a little to blurry to be a 100 percent sure but man it sure doesn't look like a bad call. He got there right about the same time he was in the throwing motion and they will always blow those dead in practices because is real games the QB would have gotten lit up and a bad pass would have come out.

EDIT 2: The more I watch the video, the more it looks like the guy had already touched him and was running behind him before he ever released the ball.

damasta13
04-20-2008, 01:42 PM
Ah ok, yeah I knew that Pat White would never make it in the NFL as a QB, but I thought there mighta been some news about him playing WR this year to get used to it possibly.
Cheers for the info!

mqtirishfan
04-20-2008, 01:48 PM
um QBs are rated with Yards per attempt. Not yards per catch, those are for WRs. 133 is 8.31 YPA. A little on the low side.


While I'm with you on the whole Pat White isn't a good QB thing, 8.31 YPA is at least above average.

kwilk103
04-20-2008, 01:50 PM
um QBs are rated with Yards per attempt. Not yards per catch, those are for WRs. 133 is 8.31 YPA. A little on the low side.

As for the INT. Kinda hard for you to defend it. You know better then that. He could have thrown the ball away or he could have ran for the 2 yards you said he could have gotten. Both are way, way better then an INT. No excuses for that from a SR QB.

EDIT: The video for the TD that was called back is a little to blurry to be a 100 percent sure but man it sure doesn't look like a bad call. He got there right about the same time he was in the throwing motion and they will always blow those dead in practices because is real games the QB would have gotten lid up and a bad pass would have come out.

EDIT 2: The more I watch the video, the more it looks like the guy had already touched him and was running behind him before he ever realized the ball.


if you go to msnsportsnet.com on the right under the video player click spring game highlights

nice sideline pass at 1:25

YAYareaRB
04-20-2008, 01:56 PM
Statistically, Harvey Unga popped a squat on most of the people ranked ahead of him in the freshmen class.

Joeyjr09
04-20-2008, 02:04 PM
While I'm with you on the whole Pat White isn't a good QB thing, 8.31 YPA is at least above average.

I was actually going around and doing some looking at QBs from least to made sure I was right in what I said. I wouldn't call 8.31 above average but it does seem to be right at average.

kwilk103
04-20-2008, 02:06 PM
you gotta take into account this is the 1st time pat has been allowed to throw vertically

mqtirishfan
04-20-2008, 02:08 PM
I was actually going around and doing some looking at QBs from least to made sure I was right in what I said. I wouldn't call 8.31 above average but it does seem to be right at average.

8.31 would have been 11th in the NCAA last year. It would have been 13th in 2006. It would have been 16th in 2005. It would have been 10th in 2004. What numbers were you checking?

I don't really look at the 8.31 because of how small the sample size is, though. Stil, it's a very good number.

Joeyjr09
04-20-2008, 02:13 PM
8.31 would have been 11th in the NCAA last year. It would have been 13th in 2006. It would have been 16th in 2005. It would have been 10th in 2004. What numbers were you checking?


I was just glancing around at other QBs to see where there number were at and most were in the same range. Thats all. Nothing to scientific. Obviously you have more info on this topic then I do.

mqtirishfan
04-20-2008, 02:14 PM
I was just glancing around at other QBs to see where there number were at and most were in the same range. Thats all. Nothing to scientific. Obviously you have more info on this topic then I do.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?year=2007&sort=ypa&stat=pass&group=80

This is as unscientific as it gets. Y/A among qualified leaders, look for 8.3.

Joeyjr09
04-20-2008, 02:19 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?year=2007&sort=ypa&stat=pass&group=80

This is as unscientific as it gets. Y/A among qualified leaders, look for 8.3.

I get it bro. I said you were right. All I did was look up a couple other QBs, that was all. You don't have to keep beating me over the head with it.

bigbenn
04-20-2008, 10:44 PM
A couple of Illinois players including Benn, Wilson, Davis, Fulton, etc. will be much higher on those lists come seasons end and some will jump on a lot of people's lists. Guys like DT Josh Brent, DE Jerry Brown, S Travon Bellamy, CB Miami Thomas, TE Micheal "OO", etc.

duckseason
04-21-2008, 08:23 AM
You're all going to hear all about Jeremiah Johnson this upcoming year for the ducks

Yeah Johnson will surely get a shot in the league, but I doubt he'll end up going much higher than the 3rd round or so. Certainly deserves to be on any list of the top 25 in this class. LeGarrette Blount has the size and athleticism to go very high in '10. With the way he's looked thus far in practice, I think there's a good chance he'll get the bulk of the carries this year, if not force a split. I'd really like to see Johnson have a huge year though. If he played for Arkansas, people would be giving him to Dallas at 22. (that's more of a knock on people's perception of Felix than it is a statement that Johnson is worthy of 1st round consideration.)

There are a few other notable Oregon omissions-

TE, Ed Dickson, Junior (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=175551&Q_SEASON=2008)
LT, Fenuki Tupou, Senior (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=529224&Q_SEASON=2008)
DE, Will Tukuafu, Junior (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1149332&Q_SEASON=2008)
WR, Jamere Holland, Soph. (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1390257&Q_SEASON=2008)
WR, Drew Davis, Soph. (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1148939&Q_SEASON=2008)
TE, Malachi Lewis, Soph. (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1149792&Q_SEASON=2008)
LB, Casey Mathews, Soph. (http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3378&SPID=233&DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=1149796&Q_SEASON=2008)

Don't mean to come across as a homer or knock the rankings, Ozzy. Just letting you know who to keep an eye on at Oregon. I'd need somebody to do the same for me for the majority of schools outside the pac-10. No way in hell can anybody keep up with all the yet-to-be's across the nation.

It's certainly understandable that you'd omit guys who have yet to prove anything on the national stage.

At the very least, Dickson, Johnson, Tupou and Tukuafu should be on there.

Here's some footage of Johnson for those who are interested but have yet to see him-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5E383fOCduA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ynbo4ZjMJXk

Those runs really don't show what he can do with his feet though. Watch a few Ducks games this year and you'll have him as a mid-round pick at worst.

Ozzy
04-21-2008, 11:37 PM
Good list for the most part but you missed out on Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour.I do have him in the rankings and you are right he totally has a shot at making an NFL team. Very impressive prospect that can hurt you with his arms or legs.

As for the Oregon Ducks, thanks for the heads up on a few players on their roster. However I am really surprised you did not list there corners. After watching them two games last year I was extremely impressed with Walter Thurmond and Jairus Byrd. And yeah sure there are always going to be new players coming up but there were quite a few from last year that impressed me after seeing them. I have been a Chung fan for years, that kid is a rock at safety, wonderful tackler, makes Keith Lewis look bad...

And yeah my bet is Pat White plays WR in the NFL, but he might not you never know. All depends on how he develops. Vince Young looked like a classic QB turn WR in his first two years of college but then he turned it all around his Junior year and learned how to pass the ball accurately and still run on the side.

Pat White is a great player and quite a leader on the football field.

Solomon
04-22-2008, 02:26 AM
For the love of God! Add Alex Mack or your list loses all credibilty!

duckseason
04-22-2008, 03:06 AM
As for the Oregon Ducks, thanks for the heads up on a few players on their roster. However I am really surprised you did not list there corners. After watching them two games last year I was extremely impressed with Walter Thurmond and Jairus Byrd. And yeah sure there are always going to be new players coming up but there were quite a few from last year that impressed me after seeing them. I have been a Chung fan for years, that kid is a rock at safety, wonderful tackler, makes Keith Lewis look bad...

Oh I was just listing the notable omissions. Couldn't agree more about the secondary. Love Chung, love Byrd, and I think Thurmond might just be the best NFL prospect on the team right now if he keeps improving. With his ability to eliminate big plays with his sure tackling, he will be a rare asset to an NFL team. His coverage technique needs a little work but all the tools are there. Love his fire. Very aggressive. My favorite player on the team last year.

I think Byrd may fit best at FS in the NFL, but he's proven to be a legit prospect at corner. I just think his best attributes are more valuable at the FS position, and I'm not sure he's quick enough to play corner at the pro level. That's just my early opinion of him though and I have no idea how NFL scouts view him right now.

It's ridiculous how well these two played as sophomores last year. After Trae Williams and Mike Jenkins getting all that attention all year about being the best duo, it was fun to watch our 5th string QB have an easy day against them while our guys made their presence felt all game long.

Not much to say about Chung. I think everybody knows what he's all about and where he's headed. Love the fact that we get him for another year.

With Unger, I think he's more likely to end up at center in the NFL due to his size. I think there's a possibility that he could be selected by a team who wants to use him at tackle in a zone-block heavy scheme, but the fact that he will be two years removed from the position will likely solidify him as a pure center prospect with good versatility. For now, he should probably be listed among the centers.

With Jaison Williams, he has that rare size/speed combination and ability to get open with ease, but he really needs to show some consistency with his hands and willingness to go up and fight for the ball. Sometimes he just gets a bit lackadaisical out there. Definitely deserving to be on that list as he has immense potential and will surely be drafted, but I think Jamere Holland is the better prospect at this point, even without having seen him in a live game. I don't expect anybody here to put much stock in that, but it's my educated opinion as of right now. Holland is a future star at this level and has the potential to be that in the league. If you put him on your list now rather than later, you'll look like you knew something that others didn't. That's all I'm saying with that post.

The guys I mentioned in my previous post will be on lists like this before their time at Oregon is up. I just want the people here at NFLDC to be a bit ahead of the curve since others here do the same for me when it comes to other players/topics.

But hey, I'll shut up before I turn this into a Ducks thread. I just couldn't help but get some of those names out there. As it is, that list doesn't give accurate insight into who to keep an eye on in the Pac-10. Not sure about the thing as a whole, but fans of the Pac-10 will find a lot to nitpick about here. No way in hell should some of those WR's be on there ahead of Sammy Stroughter, for example.

Ozzy
04-22-2008, 08:28 AM
Just to get something clear here, I do not list players I have not seen play. It is great when people bring up players and I will do my best to watch them play next year. But again I do not list players I have not seen on the field because that would be copying information from others. I am not a supporter of that.


Does anyone know where these prospects have ended up. All left or were kicked of their previous team.

TJ Williams used to be on Michigan State, played WR as a freshman, had a great year but then did not produce the next year and was moved to corner I believe.

Jeffrey Fitzgerald used to be on Virginia, one of the best DE's in the nation, played with Chris Long last year but then I suppose he left. Where in the world did he go?

Demetrice Morley used to be on Tennessee, a fine safety on Tennessee, loved his game but was kicked off the team. Any idea where he ended up?

Dominic Jones used to be on Minnesota, just a wonderful prospect, big time tackler with great athletic ability. Got in trouble with the law, hope he turns up somewhere he is a talented player.

duckseason
04-22-2008, 09:16 AM
Just to get something clear here, I do not list players I have not seen play. It is great when people bring up players and I will do my best to watch them play next year. But again I do not list players I have not seen on the field because that would be copying information from others. I am not a supporter of that.

Yeah I hear that. Kinda makes for a real crappy list though. For example, I've never seen a North Dakota State game aired on TV, so I've never seen Ramon Humber play at all, like apparently you have. But if I were to read an article by Mel Kiper where he says that Humber is the #5 OLB for next year's draft, I'd probably include him among my list of 27 I had already compiled. Especially if that list were titled "Early look at the top senior OLB's for next year" or something to that effect. But hey, maybe I'm just a thief.

Dude, copying information is pretty much what our education system is all about. It's how we as people learn in an efficient manner. If you were locked in a room by yourself from the day you were born, how long do you think it would take you to learn the English language? Without copying all those people you came across early in life, you would never know any of it.

Now, whether you put any stock into what I say about Oregon prospects is another issue entirely. I can certainly understand why you wouldn't. But if you did, it wouldn't be considered plagiarism.

Ozzy
04-22-2008, 09:34 AM
Do not get me wrong, I listen to what others say but I wait to rank them till I get a chance to see them play at least once. I try to never rank a player I have never seen.

Ozzy
04-22-2008, 12:06 PM
It is hard to say what players will have a breakout season this year. Because honestly most of the players on this list are on this list because they already had their breakout year.

Here are a few players that I could think of that have already shown promise but will probably become household names on the field this season.


*Rennie Curran Georgia OLB- with the media coverage Georgia is going to get next year and considering this small linebackers great athletic ability he should be a well known star by the end of the year.

*Anthony Barnes Georgia Tech LB- great size, amazing speed and should be one of the best linebackers in the ACC.

*Chris Galippo USCILB - I would be shocked if he does not turn into a great linebacker at USC, has all the ability and even if he has to play OLB this year he should do just fine.

*Trinton Sturdivant Georgia OT- great size, good feet and will possibly become a blue chip OT.

*Charles Clay Tulsa FB- had an amazing 1000 yards receiver at FB last year and if he continues to improve watch out for him, what NFL team would not want a pass catching FB?

*Brandon Saine Ohio State RB- should provide a great one two punch at RB for Ohio State, he too has size and speed just like Wells and has wonderful hands out of the backfield.

*Colin Kaepernick Nevada QB- big tall kid, strong arm, can run and everyone should know who he is by the end of the year, amazing prospect.

*Sean Weatherspoon Missouri LB- he has speed, he is tough, can run and make tackles all over the field, should be a stud on Missouri's defense this year.

*Jacoby Ford Clemson WR- if he stays healthy, with the great running game they have plus Harper at QB, Ford has the talent to become a great receiver, everyone knows of his world class speed.

*Darius Butler UCONN CB- great athlete, amazing upside and no reason he cannot be all conference this year.

*Anthony Heygood Purdue LB- was more productive than Avril or Keglar last year at times, should become the next fine OLB at Purdue.

*Quentin Cotton East Carolina LB- no reason he should not be one of the best LB's in college come the end of the season, he is that good.

*Terrill Byrd Cincinnati DT- great inside pass rusher, a little small but if he gets to the quarterback like he did last year his stock could be really high.

*Jose Valdez Arkansas OT- athletic as they come, wonderful in space and has a huge frame, could become a true blue chip OT.

*Kory Sperry Colorado State TE- coming off of an injury but if he is back to form, he is an extremely talented TE with worlds of potential.

*David Richmond San Jose State WR- very talented and athletic receiver, only question is who will throw him the ball, wonderful athlete.

*Javon Ringer Michigan St. RB -being the main RB Ringer has to prove he can do it alone, and if he can he will have a great year being able to touch the ball a lot more.

*Bobby Reid Texas Southern QB- former Oklahoma State star should have a great year at Texas Southern and should rise back into the national spotlight.

Sniper
04-22-2008, 12:14 PM
white looked very good passing the ball in the spring game

12-16 with 1 int; the int he wouldnt have thrown in a regular game; there was a db in front of him and in a real game he would have taken off, but he had a no contact jersey on

other 3 incompletions, he overthrew a te that would have gone for 25 yds, and the other 2 were drops

oh, and NONE were bubble screens

I don't get your beef with bubble screens. In the past 4 years, WVU has had the #9, #3, #31, and #29 offense, none of those averaging less than 30 ppg. Who cares how it gets done?

constant cough
04-27-2008, 09:50 PM
Unless my eyes are failing on me how on earth is Demetrius Byrd Sr. WR LSU not on the list?

Height: 6-2
Weight: 195 lbs.

Age: 21
Pos: WR
REC 35 | YDS 621 | TD 7


Averaged 17.7 ypc

georgiafan
04-27-2008, 10:15 PM
become household names on the field this season.

*Rennie Curran Georgia OLB- with the media coverage Georgia is going to get next year and considering this small linebackers great athletic ability he should be a well known star by the end of the year.


I've been spreading the word on him for a while it's good to see others have allready noticed him.

BerninWI
04-28-2008, 06:36 PM
Josh Oglesby is a redshirt freshman and I don't think he'll quite end up living to his hype as a prospect. His lateral footwork isn't a strength. He may end up moving to guard before his Wisconsin career culminates.

Allen Langford isn't top anything.

Both Jonathan Casillas and DeAndre Levy should be higher. Casillas would be a standout with a better defensive line and Levy would be mentioned more as a mid-round NFL prospect.

Zaccheus Brown should not only be on the sophomore RB list, but should be in the top half. I'd argue he's better than P.J. Hill. He has speed/quickness/shiftiness to go along with plus power. He had 100+ yards against Michigan and over 200 against Minnesota last year.

RB Lance Smith should also be listed amongst the top juniors. 6 yards per carry last year and looks vastly improved from last spring to this year's.

Sophomore DE Kirk Decremer had 5.5 sacks and 30 tackles as a non-starter. He's tight.

One of the Badgers talented sophomore wideouts will emerge, i.e.: Gilreath, Jones, Anderson, etc. Both starters graduated.

kwilk103
04-28-2008, 07:03 PM
I don't get your beef with bubble screens. In the past 4 years, WVU has had the #9, #3, #31, and #29 offense, none of those averaging less than 30 ppg. Who cares how it gets done?

learn to love it; it can be successfull, but not as the staple of your offense

see the games we lost---usf, pitt, and the 1st 3 quarters of marshall, and ecu last year

when teams dont have to worry about downfield passing, they can load up the box and play zero coverage---like pitt/usf

then it doesnt work

the truth about the offense is pat and steve made a lot of plays from ones that were busted b/c of that; reason we one was b/c the players were just that much better than opposing teams

we never threw the ball downfield and stewart is giving full control to his coordinators to call the plays w/o changing them (like rr did 90% of the time)

mqtirishfan
04-28-2008, 07:20 PM
learn to love it; it can be successfull, but not as the staple of your offense

see the games we lost---usf, pitt, and the 1st 3 quarters of marshall, and ecu last year

when teams dont have to worry about downfield passing, they can load up the box and play zero coverage---like pitt/usf

then it doesnt work


Doesn't every one get it, yet? West Virginia lost 5 games in the past 3 years. That's a ******* disgrace, and the bubble screen is completely to blame. With a good coach, this team would have gone undefeated, for sure. There's absolutely no excuse for ever losing a football game, and even if you have one of the best 5 offenses in the NCAA, the offense is still stupid because a team can manage to win against an awful coach like RR who changes the plays. Sure, RR also did the exact same thing in the wins over this time period, but it was all his fault that WVU lost a pathetic handful of games.

kwilk103
04-28-2008, 07:50 PM
when your gameplan is the same for every game and you dont ever change it up, and you lose games b/c of it, yes the coach is to blame

watch every game; playcalling/gameplanning is the same in everyone

no halftime adjustments, nothing

reason we were losing going into the 3rd vs marshall---better players and conditioning won that one

reason pitt and usf beat us---no variety in playcalling

he peaked as a coach in the sugar bowl vs uga---watch the plays in that game vs every game after that; completely different coach; uga there was forward passing, reverses, options, etc

every game after---bubble screen, option read play, hb dive; pretty much it

then watch when now um oc calvin magee could send in the play calls without them being changed---fiesta bowl; great playcalling; forward passes, options, reverses, some i-formation, wr pass; it was b/c coach stew let him call what he wanted; rod is a dictator and wouldnt let his coaches call aggressive games like they wanted; same with our defense---way more aggressive

we're finnally gonna see what our dc can do when he has full control over the d

mqtirishfan
04-28-2008, 07:54 PM
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He lost 5 ******* games in the last 3 years. Five. What the hell are your expectations?

kwilk103
04-28-2008, 08:07 PM
um, not blowing a chance at a nc to your rival who is a 28pt underdog; at home; while not throwing the ball

and for the record, i dont have a problem with 5 losses; thats real good

its the way we lost; every loss came b/c of horrible playcalling; even the players said the playcalling was bad

and it doesnt help when he never takes blame for the losses; always throws the players under the bus---it wasnt the play calls, it was simply a lack of execution

every week on his radio show it was b/c of execution

so, it was the way we lost, not the loss itself, and not taking responsibility for said losses

tolnaballa
04-28-2008, 08:34 PM
Unless my eyes are failing on me how on earth is Demetrius Byrd Sr. WR LSU not on the list?

Height: 6-2
Weight: 195 lbs.

Age: 21
Pos: WR
REC 35 | YDS 621 | TD 7


Averaged 17.7 ypc

I agree, I was more impressed with him than I was with LaFell and Doucet at times last year. Now that Doucet is gone, he could really blow up.

mqtirishfan
04-28-2008, 09:46 PM
um, not blowing a chance at a nc to your rival who is a 28pt underdog; at home; while not throwing the ball

and for the record, i dont have a problem with 5 losses; thats real good

its the way we lost; every loss came b/c of horrible playcalling; even the players said the playcalling was bad

and it doesnt help when he never takes blame for the losses; always throws the players under the bus---it wasnt the play calls, it was simply a lack of execution

every week on his radio show it was b/c of execution

so, it was the way we lost, not the loss itself, and not taking responsibility for said losses

Well, I'm going to assume that he had the same gameplan in the wins, but who cares, right? You agree that 5 losses is really good, but you continue to call RR a bum despite this.

As for the players, tell me when they are getting paid millions of dollars to coach football. Until then, I don't give a **** what they think.

kwilk103
04-28-2008, 09:49 PM
um, owen criticized the play calling and goin to the nfl; pitt played zero coverage all day with 9 in the box, and not 1 pass down the field until it was like 4th and 17 with 1 min to go; same with usf

rod is a liar (not about on the field stuff) and is all about himself; he might as well just pay his buyout, b/c it is getting worse for him every day

EDIT: we might as well drop it b/c 1. its goin offtopic 2. neither of us will convince the other