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SanFran
02-26-2007, 06:40 PM
What is the most overrated thing in NFL e.g:statistics

KCJ58
02-26-2007, 06:42 PM
INT r overrated for probowlers

ninerfan
02-26-2007, 06:50 PM
the belief that African Americans cant play QB

PoopSandwich
02-26-2007, 06:52 PM
the belief that African Americans cant play QB

The belief that white's cant play WR ;)

Anyways, I would have to say that INT's are way overrated as well, Leigh Bodden didnt have a ton of ints in 2005 but he sure deflected alot of passes and in the last game of the year he was on Heap at some times and a receiver the other, they threw the ball to the receiver he was guarding ONCE all game, and it went out of bounds... the less tackles/ints for a CB can some times be a good thing :)

Philliez01
02-26-2007, 07:04 PM
The Wonderlic, though I think sacks are somewhat overrated; it's great if someone can rush the passer but if that's all they can do and they are a starter; then it hurts the team.

dcarey20
02-26-2007, 07:06 PM
joey porter. yes, he is a thing.

princefielder28
02-26-2007, 07:07 PM
The ability of White Americans to coach over minorities

smittyjs
02-26-2007, 07:17 PM
The Wonderlic, though I think sacks are somewhat overrated; it's great if someone can rush the passer but if that's all they can do and they are a starter; then it hurts the team.I agree with you on both of those.

Shiver
02-26-2007, 07:34 PM
Sacks for D-Lineman

DBuck
02-26-2007, 07:41 PM
Randy Moss

Space Ghost
02-26-2007, 07:51 PM
The Arizona Cardinals.

EdReedUnstoppable
02-26-2007, 07:52 PM
The thought that race determines anything. Everyone can do everything we're all created equal!! now everyone can shut up about race.

sdpads24
02-26-2007, 07:53 PM
the belief that African Americans cant play QB

The belief that white's can't play RB

niel89
02-26-2007, 07:57 PM
clarence moore

hugegmenfan
02-26-2007, 08:03 PM
INT- ya its a shocker but i think INTS which were caused by the WR's screw up should not b counted ie tipped balls, drops which wind up in the opponents hands, etc. I dont wanna make excuses for poor Eli but that happened about 4-5x this year- plaxico would drop one, it would bounce of shockeys hands stuff like that- or @ least b counted as a different category

tom
02-26-2007, 08:05 PM
the belief that African Americans cant play QB

In sports studies this is called "stacking". It's whenever minorities are made to do things that are to be expected of them. Since most African American players aren't brought up to play the QB position, white players tend to be more effective. Is this fair? No. But does it happen? Certainly.

I don't think that black players should be treated any differently, but I know that Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb are the only great black QB's I know. And I'm not sure you could call Cunningham, McNair and McNabb great.

If I were starting a team, I'd go for the white QB. History tends to favour them. In this draft I'd go for Quinn over Russell.

Tubby
02-26-2007, 08:14 PM
Race as a whole.

Smooth Criminal
02-26-2007, 08:14 PM
It's absolutley the 40 yard dash.

niel89
02-26-2007, 08:17 PM
In sports studies this is called "stacking". It's whenever minorities are made to do things that are to be expected of them. Since most African American players aren't brought up to play the QB position, white players tend to be more effective. Is this fair? No. But does it happen? Certainly.

I don't think that black players should be treated any differently, but I know that Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb are the only great black QB's I know. And I'm not sure you could call Cunningham, McNair and McNabb great.

If I were starting a team, I'd go for the white QB. History tends to favour them. In this draft I'd go for Quinn over Russell.

in the times we live in now african americans are growing up to want to play qb and playing qb through high school and college. so i dont really think that works still.

remix 6
02-26-2007, 08:27 PM
tackles. guys like Vilma got huge #s again but his real production didnt back it in 3-4

i rather have a guy with 60 tackles at LB who didnt give up much rather than a guy who gets 120 tackles and got run over or made tackles down the field

Smooth Criminal
02-26-2007, 08:28 PM
in the times we live in now african americans are growing up to want to play qb and playing qb through high school and college. so i dont really think that works still.

its starting to be like that. But up till not to long ago most QBs being groomed starting in high school were white.

swagger
02-26-2007, 08:28 PM
Super Bowls.

P.S. I am a Vikings fan.

255979119
02-26-2007, 08:53 PM
Pro Bowl selections

21ST
02-26-2007, 09:04 PM
Super Bowls.

P.S. I am a Vikings fan.

That explains everything

Memorex
02-26-2007, 09:08 PM
Kurt Warner

hands down

skinzzfan25
02-26-2007, 09:13 PM
It's absolutley the 40 yard dash.

Agreed.

A .5 difference in running can make you loose millions of dollars... Teams value the 40 too much, and should go by film and stats more.

niel89
02-26-2007, 10:04 PM
its starting to be like that. But up till not to long ago most QBs being groomed starting in high school were white.

too true. i dont really give a damn about race. i think the best players should play regardless.

could this interest for young african americans wanting to play qb be linked to mike vicks popularity? he is an amazing playmaker and very exciting to watch. heck when kids play pick up football who do you think everyone wants to be?

Im_a_Romosexual
02-26-2007, 10:11 PM
INT's definately. If you dont have tons it doesn't mean you suck, you could be tipping passes or blanketing WRs

JoshTheStampede
02-26-2007, 10:26 PM
It's not just Vick, but he's a big part of it. Hell, in recent years Vick, Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Vince Young and others have made it more feasible for young black kids who start playing football to be taken seriously when they decide they want to be a QB. At this point it's harder to be taken seriously as a white non-FB running back or corner that it is to do so as a black quarterback.

And that's not because black people or white people are better at certain positions, but because these kids are all groomed for positions very young, and when the white kid gets asked what he wants to be, it's unlikely he'll think he can be a HB, based on what he sees in the NFL and at the college level. It's even worse for, say, asian kids, who have only one role model in the NFL, or latino kids, who also don't have many.

So now the race-stacking is shifting. All the QBs mentioned above have, at some point, been pigeonholed into the role of "the running QB", implying that they aren't as polished in the throwing or game-management roles. Which for some of them, like Vick, is valid, but for most, like McNair and McNabb, is crap. But nonetheless, for now at least, the stereotype that black QBs run better while white QBs throw better persists.

niel89
02-26-2007, 10:40 PM
But nonetheless, for now at least, the stereotype that black QBs run better while white QBs throw better persists.

yeah honestly Jake Plummer has mad scrables. >.<

Dam8610
02-26-2007, 10:46 PM
Tom Brady.

PACKmanN
02-26-2007, 10:48 PM
QB rating is because that means the qb wont risk his stats to try and win by throwing the deep ball.

sweetness34
02-26-2007, 10:50 PM
Sacks according to Greg Blache.

Scorch
02-26-2007, 10:50 PM
tackles. guys like Vilma got huge #s again but his real production didnt back it in 3-4

i rather have a guy with 60 tackles at LB who didnt give up much rather than a guy who gets 120 tackles and got run over or made tackles down the field

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

sweetness34
02-26-2007, 10:52 PM
QB rating is because that means the qb wont risk his stats to try and win by throwing the deep ball.

Then according to you Rex is an awesome QB!!!! Whooot!!

niel89
02-26-2007, 10:55 PM
Sacks according to Greg Blache.

i could see how sacks could be at sometimes. people tend to think that sacks=good DE.

some time sacks are coverage sacks. or some times people are just able to get a free pass to the qb because of a good defensive play call.

i do think however that sacks as a team is much more important than individuals sacks.

hurry ups are something that often get over looked sometimes also.

sweetness34
02-26-2007, 10:57 PM
i could see how sacks could be at sometimes. people tend to think that sacks=good DE.

some time sacks are coverage sacks. or some times people are just able to get a free pass to the qb because of a good defensive play call.

i do think however that sacks as a team is much more important than individuals sacks.

hurry ups are something that often get over looked sometimes also.

I'm talking about team sacks, not individual sacks. So causing a team to lose yards is overrated? Wait...

BigDawg819
02-26-2007, 10:59 PM
clarence moore


He's not overrated, he's TALL! :D

BlindSite
02-26-2007, 11:10 PM
Hall of Famers...

niel89
02-26-2007, 11:31 PM
He's not overrated, he's TALL! :D

shhh im trying to make people think he sucks. he is our hidden weapon and i dont want other team to throw huge amount of money at him.

if you look at his stats from this past year he catches a touch down every other catch so if you throw to him look out new TD record no problem

KCJ58
02-26-2007, 11:39 PM
Eli Manning

BigDawg819
02-26-2007, 11:47 PM
shhh im trying to make people think he sucks. he is our hidden weapon and i dont want other team to throw huge amount of money at him.

if you look at his stats from this past year he catches a touch down every other catch so if you throw to him look out new TD record no problem


Of course someone should throw ton's of money at him, he's TALL!

someone447
02-26-2007, 11:47 PM
The thought that race determines anything. Everyone can do everything we're all created equal!! now everyone can shut up about race.

QFFT

Race has absolutely nothing to do with anything. There is no significant difference between the races, other than skin color. Early in the 20th century, Jews dominated basketball, and so everyone thought they were naturally better basketball players. Oh how the times have changed, or maybe not. Same theory, different race.

EVERYONE GET OVER IT, I AM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT ******* SKIN COLOR HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH ABILITY IN ANYTHING. THE ONLY THING IT AFFECTS IS GETTING A TAN.

someone447
02-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Agreed.

A .5 difference in running can make you loose millions of dollars... Teams value the 40 too much, and should go by film and stats more.

A .5 sec difference IS HUGE. That is 2-3 steps. I think you are talking about a .05 difference, which is only 2-3 inches. But yes, it is overrated. It should only be used when all else is equal.

themaninblack
02-27-2007, 12:34 AM
ben roethlisberger.

niel89
02-27-2007, 01:23 AM
I'm talking about team sacks, not individual sacks. So causing a team to lose yards is overrated? Wait...

sorry i thought you were talking about individuals sacks

niel89
02-27-2007, 01:25 AM
Of course someone should throw ton's of money at him, he's TALL!

clarence moore could be like " i want a stack of 100's as tall as i am"

Paul
02-27-2007, 01:40 AM
Sean Salisbury/

RyanLeaf#1
02-27-2007, 07:35 AM
JaMarcus Russell and he isnt even their yet.

eacantdraft
02-27-2007, 07:45 AM
300 yard passing games. Teams that have them only win slightly over 50% of the time.

duckseason
02-27-2007, 07:53 AM
Referee statistics. The league admits to just a small fraction of actual bad calls.

Sveen
02-27-2007, 09:22 AM
Pro Bowl selections
I agree with that :)

UKfan
02-27-2007, 11:08 AM
40 time for a WR, now I'm not suggesting that someone could succeed at WR with a 5 second 40, but I don't see the huge deal between a guy running a 4.4 and 4.6. 10 and 20 times would be a far better measure, acceleration is very important.

Edit - didn't read the second page, my mistake

bantx
02-27-2007, 08:17 PM
Eli manning

Man_Of_Steel
02-27-2007, 09:22 PM
Brett Farve
Most overated in NFL history

sweetness34
02-27-2007, 09:24 PM
sorry i thought you were talking about individuals sacks

You don't have to apologize. I didn't say team sacks in my original post, don't worry about it.

But that quote goes to show how bad of a coordinator Blache was. He wanted his DL's to get fat and try and control the line of scrimmage, keeping OL's off of our LB's.

I'm glad we got rid of that scheme.

HawkeyeFan
02-27-2007, 09:36 PM
DeAngelo Hall

myinnerself
02-28-2007, 10:44 AM
A ton of statistics are extremely overrated. Most of what you guys said is valid, except I don't understand sacks being overrated. Sacks are HUGE momentum shifts and always put the other team in a bad situation. Another overrated thing: 1000 yard rushing seasons, its just not a landmark number in my eyes anymore. 1500 is something to be proud of.

bearsfan_51
02-28-2007, 10:45 AM
Cheerleaders

bearsfan_51
02-28-2007, 10:46 AM
In sports studies this is called "stacking". It's whenever minorities are made to do things that are to be expected of them. Since most African American players aren't brought up to play the QB position, white players tend to be more effective. Is this fair? No. But does it happen? Certainly.

I don't think that black players should be treated any differently, but I know that Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb are the only great black QB's I know. And I'm not sure you could call Cunningham, McNair and McNabb great.

If I were starting a team, I'd go for the white QB. History tends to favour them. In this draft I'd go for Quinn over Russell.
That's cause you're a ******* idiot, a well-established fact.

terribletowel39
02-28-2007, 11:21 AM
QB protection. i feel that if they are in the game they know they could get hurt, it doesn't matter how you bring him down as long as you bring him down is the way i feel. don't like how the ref's SOMETIMES throws flags on some dumb shiz.

FloridaFootball
02-28-2007, 11:26 AM
That the league protects players like the kickers and quarterbacks. Put a yellow jersey on them and tell the other players only two hand touch for these guys!

terribletowel39
02-28-2007, 11:29 AM
That the league protects players like the kickers and quarterbacks. Put a yellow jersey on them and tell the other players only two hand touch for these guys!

BURN!! haha

DH4MVP23
03-01-2007, 02:30 PM
Not exactly on topic but must underated is forced fumbles.

gbpackers0065
03-01-2007, 02:45 PM
The Wonderlic, though I think sacks are somewhat overrated; it's great if someone can rush the passer but if that's all they can do and they are a starter; then it hurts the team.

That is why Aaron Kampman is the best DE in the NFL. Not only did he have 15.5 sacks but he also had 90 tackles and is clearly a run stopper.

BTW........my 100th post YAY FOR ME

remix 6
03-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

im not saying anything bad about Vilma..im just saying this year he wasnt as good as he was in 4-3..

your going to tell me his 113 tackles are VERY good? He didnt play VERY good..he struggled in his first year in a 3-4..cant just blame him but his 113 tackles are misleading to his production this year..same with Tedy Bruschi