Jets to Trade Up for Matt Ryan?

[DI]

Per Rotoworld.com:

The Rams have reportedly exchanged trade ideas with the Jets, who hold the No. 6 overall pick in the draft.

New York may want to get in front of Atlanta to secure Matt Ryan. St. Louis is currently on the clock and in great position to make a move. The Rams could also try to sign Glenn Dorsey before Saturday. With Jake Long out of the picture, ESPN's John Clayton says Dorsey is the top player on their board.


Well, If This Isn't New News. Thoughts? Would the Jets Really Trade up for Matt Ryan?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yes! Yes! Do it Jets. I want Dorsey.

[Unbiased]

I don't think so. I think they'll take a good long look at him at #6 if he halls to them, but certainly wouldn't trade up for him.

[Flyboy]

... Kellen Clemens?

[katnip]

From my view. A Jets fan.

Matt Ryan > Chad Pennington & Kellen Clemens

[BamaFalcon59]

Do it Jets, but with the Falcons.

[DI]

I understand the sentiment and the phrase that you don't pass on a possible franchise quarterback if you don't have one but I'd don't think there's that big of a fall of from Ryan to Brohm and possibly even Henne or Flacco that they should trade up for him. Stay at #6, grab McFadden or Gholston and if you want a quarterback, grab Brohm in Round 2. He'll be there. No reason for the Jets to trade up in this situation. He might even fall to you, unless Baltimore can't contain themselves and make a push into the Top 5 or that Jared Allen to MIN deal goes through because then I think Ryan is a Chief.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I dont trust the Jets.Im rooting for NO to trade with St.Louis.

[Flyboy]

This could spell a fall for McFadden or Gholston if true.

[buckeyes4ever]

I agree with Flyboy, they have enough other options at QB that they dont need a QB unless he was substantially better than Chad or Kellen; and though Matt might possibly be a better QB I think it would still be a QB battle for the position and they could use the first round pick to adress other issues right now.

[ManOverboard]

Oh God please no...

[Young Nasty Man]

there is no way in hell that this is going to happen....the jets have more interest in gholston long and mcfadden.....if this happens, another one on the Jets blunder list becuase personally....don't see it going down..

[BeerBaron]

the earlier ryan is off the board the happier i am......as long as he doesnt get anywhere close to 14

[McGahee]

Could they be claiming to trade up for Ryan, but rather trading up to #2 to secure McFadden?

[buckeyes4ever]

Could they be claiming to trade up for Ryan, but rather trading up to #2 to secure McFadden?

That sounds more probable

[rockio42]

Yes! Yes! Do it Jets. I want Dorsey.

Doesnt matter, Rams are taking Chris Long

[J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets]

The report speculates that it may be Matt Ryan. What if its for Chris Long? That makes more sense in my mind, and hopefully in the mind of our front office

[duckseason]

If the Jets were to trade up to #2, I think it's obvious that it wouldn't be for Matt Ryan. ESPN could just as easily have speculated on any of the other top players and people would eat it up.

[bored of education]

I doubt its because the Jets want Ryan, Per Se

[IBleedGreen18]

I would be shocked if anything that gets leaked to the media has any type of substance to it.


GMs are paid to be secretive. If it isn't being officially reported it isn't worth reading, especially coming from a GM like Tannenbaum who is concerned with the Pats jumping them for whomever they are really interested in.


The Jets could draft Gholston, Long, Ryan, McFadden, McKelvin, DRC, or Derrick Harvey and frankly I wouldn't be shocked. I'd bet they are trying to make interest in their pick if Ryan falls to them so they have a market for the pick.

[Young Legend]

Can you imagine how the Jets fans would react that are there at the draft.

[LonghornsLegend]

More news about trade rumors that probably dont have any truth to them, or will never happen...Thats how you know the draft is close, because trade rumors start popping up everywhere, then when it all boils down to it I think we would be lucky to see two trades in the top 2, I'll take one, but even thats a stretch.


Its one thing to discuss options as teams always do, its another to pull the trigger...All this trade up for Matt Ryan I dont buy, he could be there at #6 and he's not so good that they should trade more picks to make sure they get him.

[DChess]

this makes sense for the rams because they can trade down and still get long because i think if the raiders dont go mcfadden then they will go gholston and even if they raiders do take long then they get gholston, not to bad of a second option

[Geo]

There's an element of plausibility for the Rams in this scenario, because the Rams (I would think) want one of Dorsey/Long/Gholston plus McFadden is ranked around the top of their board. So that's four prospects, at least one WILL fall to #6.

Of course if McFadden is the guy ... then that means they have to trade away Steven Jackson.

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As for the Jets, well, making such a move indicates that Matt Ryan is the guy to quarterback their franchise as Tom Brady does for division rival Jets, if they are going to win division crowns year after year. Such a move wouldn't be made without that estimation of value in Ryan. Does he have the arm strength to give the element of the deep ball in the Meadowlands? Probably, yeah.

Depending on what they give up aside, I think it could/would be a good move. I'm not drunk on Henne Kool-Aid and Flacco has the arm to play in that environment but does he match Ryan's aptitude? I don't think so, although both those guys are very solid 2nd round prospects in general.

Yeah they could draft McFadden or Gholston ... but let's be honest, you can always find runningbacks and pass rushers. Quarterbacks, not so much. And drafting in the Top 10 here, they might be looking to take advantage of an opportunity they don't plan on repeating.

[Gridiron]

I wouldn't mind trading up, but it better be for Chris Long or Darren McFadden.

[ManOverboard]

I wouldn't mind trading up, but it better be for Chris Long or Darren McFadden.

Exactly, I can't even imagine the frustration that will overcome me if we draft Matt Ryan.

[keylime_5]

Schefter and Clayton both agree that Dorsey is now #1 on the Rams' board....BUT there is a chance that they could 'reach' down their board for Chris Long who fills a greater need. Remember CJ was #1 on Oakland's board when they took Russell. That said I think St.Louis takes Dorsey who is by most teams' recognition the top defender in the draft.

[katnip]

And you'd rather have for one situation chicken legs Darren McFadden. He'll be the next bust or average 1000 yard back. Which we have already.

[asmitty45]

i'd be surprised to see a trade up at all, the Jets could wait until 6 and still get a very good player who fills a need, I wouldnt move if I were them but thatas just me.

[ManOverboard]

And you'd rather have for one situation chicken legs Darren McFadden. He'll be the next bust or average 1000 yard back. Which we have already.

Ok we also have a QB with a weak arm, good accuracy, and who is very intelligent. We don't need another one.

[DChess]

i dont see the rams going DT again, they just dont have the greatest luck with them.

[katnip]

I'd be happy with Gholston too. But Matt Ryan does not have a weak arm. I'd say better then average. I've seen some of his games.

[Geo]

Also, if the Jets do trade up for Ryan, then that opens up the opportunity to move Penny. I still can't believe Minnesota hasn't made a move for him, I think he would be perfect.

If the Jets could get a 2nd round pick for him (heck the Texans are asking for a 2nd for Sage Rosenfels, Penny is a proven winner who can lead a team to the playoffs), that would complementarily make up for the trade-up.

[Joeyjr09]

I would be shocked if anything that gets leaked to the media has any type of substance to it.


So I guess all that info leaked to the media yesterday about Miami being close to signing Jake Long was just a lucky guess?

[ManOverboard]

I'd be happy with Gholston too. But Matt Ryan does not have a weak arm. I'd say better then average. I've seen some of his games.

He has average arm strength, not that much better than a pre-injury Pennington.

[duckseason]

Also, if the Jets do trade up for Ryan, then that opens up the opportunity to move Penny. I still can't believe Minnesota hasn't made a move for him, I think he would be perfect.

If the Jets could get a 2nd round pick for him (heck the Texans are asking for a 2nd for Sage Rosenfels, Penny is a proven winner who can lead a team to the playoffs), that would complementarily make up for the trade-up.

Minnesota needs the opposite of Pennington. Someone who is a legitimate threat to stretch the field. Defenses are forced to stack the box against the Vikings. They need a QB who can exploit that and at the same time make things easier on Peterson and Taylor.

[duckseason]

So I guess all that info leaked to the media yesterday about Miami being close to signing Jake Long was just a lucky guess?

Nobody is picking in front of Miami.

[neko4]

im not too suprised. i like clemens, but i can definitly see this happening

[Joeyjr09]

Also, if the Jets do trade up for Ryan, then that opens up the opportunity to move Penny. I still can't believe Minnesota hasn't made a move for him, I think he would be perfect.

If the Jets could get a 2nd round pick for him (heck the Texans are asking for a 2nd for Sage Rosenfels, Penny is a proven winner who can lead a team to the playoffs), that would complementarily make up for the trade-up.

They could move Penny now. He likely isn't gonna be the starter even without Ryan. Clemens was gonna be given the chance. They held on to Penny because they wanted to, not cause of need. There's million of other backup options out there they could have gone after that would have allowed them to deal Penny.

And after all his injuries, his very weak arm strength (likely the leagues worst), his age, and his pretty sizable contract (6 mil this year and next year and finally topping out at 8 mil in 2011), I doubt you get a 2nd round pick for him. Nobody has forked over that 2nd for Rosenfels, so I doubt you get anything higher then a mid 3rd for Pennington and a 4 sounds more likely. Same thing Steve McNair was dealt for a couple years back.

[Joeyjr09]

Nobody is picking in front of Miami.

They were still trying to trade down.

[ManOverboard]

They could move Penny now. He likely isn't gonna be the starter even without Ryan. Clemens was gonna be given the chance. They held on to Penny because they wanted to, not cause of need. There's million of other backup options out there they could have gone after that would have allowed them to deal Penny.

And after all his injuries, his very weak arm strength (likely the leagues worst), his age, and his pretty sizable contract (6 mil this year and next year and finally topping out at 8 mil in 2011), I doubt you get a 2nd round pick for him. Nobody has forked over that 2nd for Rosenfels, so I doubt you get anything higher then a mid 3rd for Pennington and a 4 sounds more likely. Same thing Steve McNair was dealt for a couple years back.

If we could get a 3rd rounder for Pennington I would throw a party at my house and you are all invited.

[Geo]

Minnesota needs the opposite of Pennington. Someone who is a legitimate threat to stretch the field. Defenses are forced to stack the box against the Vikings. They need a QB who can exploit that and at the same time make things easier on Peterson and Taylor.
Minnesota needs an accurate distributor of the ball imo than some strong-armed joe. Besides, playing in the dome would help Penny.

Good point though on Pennington's contract, joey. I don't know how that slipped my mind.

[Crickett]

From my view. A Jets fan.

Matt Ryan > Chad Pennington & Kellen Clemens


From my view. A Jets fan

Chad Pennington & Kellen Clemens & whoever the Jets would draft at #6 who is not a QB > Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens and Matt Ryan

And that doesn't even take in to account the cost of trading up in draft picks.

[duckseason]

They were still trying to trade down.

And? At the top spot, you can be as transparent as you want to be without worry. You can mislead people, tell the truth, it doesn't matter. Nobody will know until you either trade or make your pick, and nobody can take the guy you wanted if you do end up staying there.

[ManOverboard]

From my view. A Jets fan

Chad Pennington & Kellen Clemens & whoever the Jets would draft at #6 who is not a QB > Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens and Matt Ryan

And that doesn't even take in to account the cost of trading up in draft picks.

100% agreed. I'll take Rodgers-Cromartie over Matt Ryan anyday. Revis and Rodgers-Cromartie would be sick. It would be like what San Diego has with Jammer and Cromartie.

[duckseason]

Minnesota needs an accurate distributor of the ball imo than some strong-armed joe. Besides, playing in the dome would help Penny.
Well I agree they need an accurate distributor of the ball. So does every other team out there. With Pennington, I think you make things much easier on opposing defenses. The Vikings should be doing everything they can to open up the field for Peterson and that running game. Having Pennington behind center makes those holes much tighter.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I actually had the Jets pegged as a sleeper team for Ryan at #6

However this report, if anything, makes me think that outcome is less possible now. Everything you see this week is a smokescreen

[Cribbs>Hester]

Dern it. This lets the cat out of the bag. I had a good friend who I go to school with right now for sports administration. He is currently doing his internship with Cleveland, and he mentioned that the New York Jets had called Cleveland about Derek Anderson and that the Browns would think about the trade for #6 overall if Vernon Gholston or Chris Long were on the board still. He says that Mangini is very unhappy with his QB's and wants to make a play to improve the position.

-Take it for what it is worth.

[gdamac]

Yes! Yes! Do it Jets. I want Dorsey.

Yes! Yes! Do it Jets. I want Long.

[BamaFalcon59]

Dern it. This lets the cat out of the bag. I had a good friend who I go to school with right now for sports administration. He is currently doing his internship with Cleveland, and he mentioned that the New York Jets had called Cleveland about Derek Anderson and that the Browns would think about the trade for #6 overall if Vernon Gholston or Chris Long were on the board still. He says that Mangini is very unhappy with his QB's and wants to make a play to improve the position.

-Take it for what it is worth.

Number six overall for Derek Anderson? I doubt it.

[BallerT1215]

It would make my day as a Bills fan to see the Jets trade up for Matt Ryan instead of taking D-Mac...

[PackerLegend]

Man I sure hope any more trades or picks happen during the draft. Knowning Jake Long is going to Miami is already enough!!!

[downthealley]

I'd hate for this to happen, being a Matt Ryan fan.

[ManOverboard]

I'd hate for this to happen, being a Matt Ryan fan.

Me and you both. Matt Ryan wouldn't be too much of an improvement over what we have now.

[downthealley]

I just don't want to see Matt Ryan as a Jet.

[Larry121283]

This deal will probably never happen...but if it does...I would think it'd be for Chris Long considering their defensive line is pretty shot, moreover the QB.

[LonghornsLegend]

If a team wants to trade up, their not going to tip their hand into who they really want, Gholston, Long, McFadden, all could be possibilities as the Raiders are interested in all those guys too...I'm just pretty sure it wouldn't be Long, its a good chanc he will be there, and I don't think he offers much more then Clemens, they spent all this money this off season I dont think they want to go back and take a rookie qb and wait for him to go through his learning curve...Their team seems like they are in a different point.