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Meta4
04-22-2008, 06:55 PM
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Anquan Boldin has requested a trade.
The Cardinals have reportedly informed Boldin that they will not deal him, but as always a team like Dallas, Washington, or Philadelphia might blow them away with a draft-day offer. Arizona has not set aside the idea of extending Boldin's contract, which is assuredly what he truly wants in the end.

http://rotoworld.com/content/Headlines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=115224

Flyboy
04-22-2008, 06:56 PM
Drama. I love it. Love the week prior to the draft too.

Staubach12
04-22-2008, 06:59 PM
Yet another big-time WR wants out. I don't see him getting dealt.

Geo
04-22-2008, 07:00 PM
This was to be expected, in the wake of Fitzgerald's monster extension.

Matthew Jones
04-22-2008, 07:01 PM
Daaaaaamn!

fenikz
04-22-2008, 07:01 PM
never gonna happen, until i hear it from boldin's lips i assume it's all lies

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 07:01 PM
Nobody ever wants to trade talent, most of these trade request get denied as the team decides they need to shut up and play, then again a great offer can always change their mind...Once again all the NFC east teams will be interested, but I welcome the bidding war for Quan, we should be some players in this, that would truely be an early xmas to land the likes if him or Roy.

Geo
04-22-2008, 07:02 PM
This is Philly's chance to give Kevin Kolb the playmaking #1 he needs, they need to give it everything they have. Lito plus their 1st round pick for Q.

Yatta!
04-22-2008, 07:05 PM
Imagine if Boldin went to the Eagles, Williams to the Cowboys and Johnson to the Skins. That would be sick.

To be fair though I don't see Boldin being traded. Of all of the guys on the block I think Williams is most likely to get dealt.

Meta4
04-22-2008, 07:06 PM
This is Philly's chance to give Kevin Kolb the playmaking #1 he needs, they need to give it everything they have. Lito plus their 1st round pick for Q.

Why would they not pay Boldin but give the same if not more to lito?

bofadabizzles
04-22-2008, 07:08 PM
He wants to come back home to Florida. Bring him home Gruden/Allen!

Meta4
04-22-2008, 07:08 PM
He wants to come back home to Florida. Bring him home Gruden/Allen!

That would be a great fit.

Go_Eagles77
04-22-2008, 07:10 PM
Obviously would love him on the eagles. Don't see it happening though.

M.O.T.H.
04-22-2008, 07:10 PM
I dont even want a WR for Dallas but, I absolutely love Boldin.

PackerLegend
04-22-2008, 07:11 PM
Awesome, love all these people wanting to get traded before the draft or during the draft. Hopefully something exciting happens and some people get traded.

wingboy2999
04-22-2008, 07:12 PM
What the hell is going on?

Canadian_draft_fan
04-22-2008, 07:15 PM
I would love him on the Skins but i doubt he gets traded at all. Schefter mentioned the Cards would be willing to talk about a new contract. Ultimately I think that is what happens.

Meta4
04-22-2008, 07:17 PM
I would love him on the Skins but i doubt he gets traded at all. Schefter mentioned the Cards would be willing to talk about a new contract. Ultimately I think that is what happens.

The Skins should really think about pulling that offer for CJ and extend the same to the Cardinals for Boldin.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 07:20 PM
The Skins should really think about pulling that offer for CJ and extend the same to the Cardinals for Boldin.

I think Washington/Snyder is just infatuated with Chad, not just a WR in general *shrugs* It would make sense, but if they were doing everything that made sense Gregg Williams would be the HC.



Awesome, love all these people wanting to get traded before the draft or during the draft. Hopefully something exciting happens and some people get traded.


I just hope it doesnt disapoint, if I dont see at least 2 big name players get traded before or during the draft I'll be seriously pissed, I'm tired of reading about all these guys who want trades, and offers being sent, yet nobody ever wants to close the deal on these things.

Jensen
04-22-2008, 07:21 PM
I doubt it happens even if it is true, which I don't think it is.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-22-2008, 07:40 PM
Boldin wants to play for Atlanta! Ok, probably not. I'd be cool with it though.

princefielder28
04-22-2008, 07:42 PM
This week is gonna be so awesome!

Vikes99ej
04-22-2008, 07:45 PM
I demand to be traded!

A Perfect Score
04-22-2008, 07:53 PM
he isnt going anywhere...that offense is looking lethal. it makes no sense to trade away one of its integral parts.

iloxygenil
04-22-2008, 07:59 PM
Atlanta has plenty of picks to ship away if we could get the Cards to bite on something less than insane I wanted Anquan in Atlanta for a very very long time, since he was at FSU, I knew he would be a great player, never thought he'd be THIS good, but I knew he was capable of being a #1 WR.

Aftermath
04-22-2008, 07:59 PM
Chad for Q!

bigbluedefense
04-22-2008, 08:07 PM
Is it even possible to press Boldin at the line? I always wondered that. I picture him tossing the CB like a rag doll for trying.

You'd probably have to press him with a linebacker haha.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 08:09 PM
Boldin + TO=CB nightmares


Talk about taking a beating tryint to tackle these guys after the catch.

A Perfect Score
04-22-2008, 08:14 PM
Is it even possible to press Boldin at the line? I always wondered that. I picture him tossing the CB like a rag doll for trying.

You'd probably have to press him with a linebacker haha.

trying to jam anquan boldin is like trying to survive a chuck norris roundhouse kick...it just doesnt happen. ever.

d34ng3l021
04-22-2008, 08:18 PM
never gonna happen, until i hear it from boldin's lips i assume it's all lies

http://www.jsoup.com/img/boy-hands-over-ears.jpg

DiG
04-22-2008, 08:19 PM
oh got please. boldin is one of the only guys id want more than chad. i never thought that itd be a possibility. i always thought it was just heresay but if this is true dan needs to get it done!

PalmerToCJ
04-22-2008, 08:35 PM
Chad for Q!

What I wouldn't give... He's my favorite non-Bengal. Man, that would be sweet.

Sniper
04-22-2008, 08:35 PM
Philadelphia needs to offer the first, second, third, fourth and next year's first, second and third for him. I'll get a Boldin Boner if he comes to Philly. No ****. He's the perfect WCO WR.

smittyjs
04-22-2008, 08:38 PM
I would love it if the titans traded for him :)

Sniper
04-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Is it even possible to press Boldin at the line? I always wondered that. I picture him tossing the CB like a rag doll for trying.

You'd probably have to press him with a linebacker haha.

You'd be ******** to try to press him.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Breaking news is the Redskins already offered a deal for Boldin and the Cards rejected, Ill look for a link...They sure are busy, gonna piss me off if they end up with a WR over us.

WMD
04-22-2008, 11:08 PM
ESPNews said that the Cards turned an offer down from the Skins.. Roy Williams is next!

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 11:11 PM
LOL yea he is basically the only guy left, why not.

brat316
04-22-2008, 11:14 PM
Until Boldin says something I am not buying it, I think he just wants to be paid, and he probably will be paid next year, if not then he might really want out.

Another factor could be because the team doesn't have a winning record that is next year it they don't go 9-7 he might want out.

JagHombre22
04-22-2008, 11:19 PM
it's almost as if all the top WR's got together at a secret location and decided to demand trades...comical almost.

Thunder&Lightning
04-22-2008, 11:20 PM
This is just another example of a WR being stupid.

LonghornsLegend
04-22-2008, 11:43 PM
This is just another example of a WR being stupid.

What's so stupid about demanding a trade? I personally don't feel like they can afford both guys, its hard to keep two #1 WR's capable of putting up 1300 yds and 8 tds season to season, both guys want to be paid like one of the best in the league, they see guys like Bernard Berrian signing huge contracts, and Boldin is twice that talent.


These guys are only so loyal, but when contracts start getting out of hand, they realize what they can get elsewhere, and want to be compensated to their performance.


Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2007 Arizona Cardinals 12 11 71 853 12.0 44T 9
2006 Arizona Cardinals 16 16 83 1,203 14.5 64 4
2005 Arizona Cardinals 14 14 102 1,402 13.7 54T 7
2004 Arizona Cardinals 10 9 56 623 11.1 31T 1
2003 Arizona Cardinals 16 16 101 1,377 13.6 71T 8



These are some pretty damn good numbers his first 5 years, one of the most consistent guys, he manned and played this year severely banged up, and he's grossly underpaid considering what most guys make who are alot less talented...You either pay a guy, or he wants to go elsewhere to get paid, thats the nature of the beast.

fenikz
04-22-2008, 11:52 PM
it's almost as if all the top WR's got together at a secret location and decided to demand trades...comical almost.

It's called Drew Rosenhaus' Office, money corrupts all

bam bam
04-22-2008, 11:57 PM
if I were him I would want out too

they are giving Fitz $10 mill a year, What is Boldin getting for being arguably a better player?

By paying Fitz that money the Cardinals made a statement (they kind of had to because of that ridiculous contract) to Boldin that Fitz was the priority. They aren't going to tie up $20 mill a year at WR. His opportunities to make that kind of cash are elsewhere.

Plus, it's the freaking Cardinals. Who truly believes Arizona has a shot at a title any time soon? Not only are his opportunities to cash in elsewhere, but his opportunities to win are as well.

Leon Sandcastle
04-22-2008, 11:58 PM
#11 for Boldin. DO IT!

vidae
04-22-2008, 11:59 PM
No matter what, I really love watching this guy play.

bam bam
04-23-2008, 12:12 AM
#11 for Boldin. DO IT!

that would be shag nasty for the Bills

it really makes a lot of sense

critesy
04-23-2008, 12:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYKtScnsW0

wow. skins, please.

azbmxican
04-23-2008, 01:18 AM
uhhh no, nukka please.

fenikz
04-23-2008, 02:41 AM
that would be shag nasty for the Bills

it really makes a lot of sense

lol your kidding yourself, why would the Cardinals take pick #11 for a top 5 WR, he is the fastest player ever to 100, 200, 300 & 400 catches and you offer pick #11?

JagHombre22
04-23-2008, 04:48 AM
lol your kidding yourself, why would the Cardinals take pick #11 for a top 5 WR, he is the fastest player ever to 100, 200, 300 & 400 catches and you offer pick #11?

Pick #26 and Matt Jones?

ATLDirtyBirds
04-23-2008, 06:35 AM
lol your kidding yourself, why would the Cardinals take pick #11 for a top 5 WR, he is the fastest player ever to 100, 200, 300 & 400 catches and you offer pick #11?


*DeAngelo Hall*


You aren't going to get as much as you deserve.

Sveen
04-23-2008, 07:03 AM
True. Draft picks are always valued higher than proven veterans.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2008, 07:11 AM
He would take too much for Atlanta. It would take two second round picks at least, considering we would not give up number three. Also, Roddy White is the number one here.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2008, 07:14 AM
What's so stupid about demanding a trade? I personally don't feel like they can afford both guys, its hard to keep two #1 WR's capable of putting up 1300 yds and 8 tds season to season, both guys want to be paid like one of the best in the league, they see guys like Bernard Berrian signing huge contracts, and Boldin is twice that talent.


These guys are only so loyal, but when contracts start getting out of hand, they realize what they can get elsewhere, and want to be compensated to their performance.


Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2007 Arizona Cardinals 12 11 71 853 12.0 44T 9
2006 Arizona Cardinals 16 16 83 1,203 14.5 64 4
2005 Arizona Cardinals 14 14 102 1,402 13.7 54T 7
2004 Arizona Cardinals 10 9 56 623 11.1 31T 1
2003 Arizona Cardinals 16 16 101 1,377 13.6 71T 8



These are some pretty damn good numbers his first 5 years, one of the most consistent guys, he manned and played this year severely banged up, and he's grossly underpaid considering what most guys make who are alot less talented...You either pay a guy, or he wants to go elsewhere to get paid, thats the nature of the beast.

If he had not missed 12 games in his career his stats would be insane.

Bills2083
04-23-2008, 07:28 AM
Pick #26 and Matt Jones?

To be equal to pick #11 (which Fenikz said no to), Matt Jones would be worth a high 2nd round pick....

21ST
04-23-2008, 07:53 AM
a first this year and a first next year do it danny

MetSox17
04-23-2008, 09:44 AM
Bring him on to the 'Boys!

That's where everyone wants to saddle their headaches anyway

YAYareaRB
04-23-2008, 10:01 AM
What do they want? We seem to be signing NFC West WRs left and right.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2008, 10:04 AM
What do they want? We seem to be signing NFC West WRs left and right.

They dont want to trade him and are willing to start discussing a new contract. He's not going anywhere, nor is Ocho Cinco. So, the attention turns to Roy Williams...for all those interested in a big name WR.

bigbluedefense
04-23-2008, 10:10 AM
I wonder if the Lions would do a Roy Williams plus late pick for Shockey trade straight up.

They could use a TE.

MetSox17
04-23-2008, 10:23 AM
I wonder if the Lions would do a Roy Williams plus late pick for Shockey trade straight up.

They could use a TE.

No, not after the Cowboys would offer a first rounder and Bobby Carpenter

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2008, 10:24 AM
No, not after the Cowboys would offer a first rounder and Bobby Carpenter

Nobody wants Bobby Carpenter.

If the Redskins offer up that same deal they were throwing around for Chad or Boldin. I doubt we could match, let alone top that type of offer.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2008, 10:40 AM
Nobody wants Bobby Carpenter.

And you know this because...?


Obviuosly no one is going to trade for him straight up, but its another story when your packaging him with a 1st rd pick and another mid day pick, or maybe another player, he becomes appealing then...And who have we been shopping him to that's not interested in him?


But I agree if the Skins are throwing that offer around to everyone, they will outbid every NFC east team without much fight...But the Cards already shut them down, really dont think they want to trade Boldin even though he wants out.

fenikz
04-23-2008, 11:00 AM
Cards only have one-word reply for Boldin trade queires: NO

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0423boldin0423.html

Graves went on to say the trade request is not a new tactic for Rosenhaus. "We have not heard that (trade request) from Anquan," Graves said.


So thus this is just Rosenhaus trying to get more money, Boldin has never said he wants to be traded


Anquan Boldin does not hunt because the word hunting infers the probability of failure. Anquan Boldin goes killing...

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2008, 11:07 AM
Cards only have one-word reply for Boldin trade queires: NO

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0423boldin0423.html

Graves went on to say the trade request is not a new tactic for Rosenhaus. "We have not heard that (trade request) from Anquan," Graves said.


So thus this is just Rosenhaus trying to get more money, Boldin has never said he wants to be traded


Anquan Boldin does not hunt because the word hunting infers the probability of failure. Anquan Boldin goes killing...



Actually I think your reading it wrong...I think Boldin asked to be traded, and went through his agent Rosenhaus to work it out...Just because he didn't go about it the way Chad did doesn't mean he didn't ask out or isn't unhappy...

You know Rosenhaus can't come out of the blue and ask for his player to be traded unless it was a request right? Agents cant speak for their players like that, unless it was relayed to him by Boldin which is most likely the case...Obviously the Cards dont want to trade him, but I disagree with Boldin never saying he wanted to be traded, publicly maybe no, but there is no reason Drew would inquire about it on his own behalf because he thought it would be a good idea.

fenikz
04-23-2008, 11:30 AM
but there is no reason Drew would inquire about it on his own behalf because he thought it would be a good idea.



...What? He gets paid when Boldin gets paid it's his job to try getting all of his players raises, Rosenhaus sees that right now there is a big market for top WR's and he is trying to get his guys money. Fitz was 1st, then he started it with Ocho Cinco and now it's moving towards Boldin, you think its just a coincidence that all of these guys want money at the same time or is it more logical that Rosenhaus is pushing all of them to do it.

tjpackers
04-23-2008, 11:36 AM
He will get alot of many and alot of catchs where ever he goes (if he goes anywhere)

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2008, 11:44 AM
...What? He gets paid when Boldin gets paid it's his job to try getting all of his players raises, Rosenhaus sees that right now there is a big market for top WR's and he is trying to get his guys money. Fitz was 1st, then he started it with Ocho Cinco and now it's moving towards Boldin, you think its just a coincidence that all of these guys want money at the same time or is it more logical that Rosenhaus is pushing all of them to do it.



So you think Drew figured it would be a good idea to put out that Boldin wanted a trade, just to see what he could get...And being that Boldin doesn't want to be traded as you assume, he just let his agent do it on his own and figured he would live with it either way, that makes no sense.


Whether or not he gets paid, what sense would that make that he comes up with the idea that Boldin should be traded, and he should be traded even though Anquan doesn't want to be as you said...Why doesn't he do that for his other clients then, because he has alot of clients not just the big name guys, and he is not going to be asking around for trade offers unless Boldin said he was unhappy and wanted to be moved.

Plaxico Burress is also his client, does that mean that since he wants to get paid he can start shopping trade offers around for Burress without speaking to him and getting his consent? It doesn't even work like that, guys like Shockey, Chad, TO, all wanted to be traded and/or get out, so he got out there and tried to get the best deal possible for his players, but that doesn't give him the authority to start trading his clients to other teams to get rich without the players consent.

AlexDown
04-23-2008, 11:48 AM
I think I missed something. I remember a thread that was created saying he was given a new contract this offseason. Was that a false report?

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2008, 11:59 AM
And you know this because...?


Obviuosly no one is going to trade for him straight up, but its another story when your packaging him with a 1st rd pick and another mid day pick, or maybe another player, he becomes appealing then...And who have we been shopping him to that's not interested in him?


But I agree if the Skins are throwing that offer around to everyone, they will outbid every NFC east team without much fight...But the Cards already shut them down, really dont think they want to trade Boldin even though he wants out.

Well BP had zero interest in him (that says a lot) and he isnt guaranteed to succeed in a 4-3. He is a good special teams player, that's it...his value is in the basement right now. I doubt Bobby would be a deal breaker in any trade...he'd basically just be a throw in. You'd figure we would like to get a little something in return, considering we did waste a 1st rounder on him.

Also, if you believe the Dallas morning news...we've been shopping him since January but, no one is interested.

no love
04-23-2008, 12:09 PM
What do they want? We seem to be signing NFC West WRs left and right.

Unfortunately, only the ones that no one wants

UK Cards Fan
04-23-2008, 12:43 PM
Boldin >>> Larry. :(

Nalej
04-23-2008, 01:44 PM
NFL Network reported that the Cards rejected a trade offer from the Skins for Boldin.
No details though. I wonder if it was the same offer made for Chad Johnson

fenikz
04-23-2008, 01:58 PM
So you think Drew figured it would be a good idea to put out that Boldin wanted a trade, just to see what he could get...And being that Boldin doesn't want to be traded as you assume, he just let his agent do it on his own and figured he would live with it either way, that makes no sense.


Whether or not he gets paid, what sense would that make that he comes up with the idea that Boldin should be traded, and he should be traded even though Anquan doesn't want to be as you said...Why doesn't he do that for his other clients then, because he has alot of clients not just the big name guys, and he is not going to be asking around for trade offers unless Boldin said he was unhappy and wanted to be moved.

Plaxico Burress is also his client, does that mean that since he wants to get paid he can start shopping trade offers around for Burress without speaking to him and getting his consent? It doesn't even work like that, guys like Shockey, Chad, TO, all wanted to be traded and/or get out, so he got out there and tried to get the best deal possible for his players, but that doesn't give him the authority to start trading his clients to other teams to get rich without the players consent.



If Rosenhaus came up to you and said we could get you 10 mil a year if we spread a rumor that you want to be traded I'm sure any WR would say yes.

And Plaxico Burress is 30 no one is gonna pay him that kind of money

SeanTaylorRIP
04-23-2008, 02:00 PM
So the Skins just can't wait to get rid of the 21st pick for a wideout, I'd take any of the 3 if it includes that pick only because IMO in this draft, drafting 20-50 you can get players all with similar value. If anything I'd like to move that 21st pick for a couple 2nd rounders, but I know the Skins would never do that.

RedAttack
04-24-2008, 06:01 AM
From Darren Urbans blog:

http://www.azcardinals.com/blog/blog.php?author=1

"Look, we've gone over this before. Boldin wants a new contract and has let that be known. He has also been a steadily appearing at offseason workouts. He isn't going anywhere. The Cards know he wants more money and I believe they will try to get a new deal done. He is too important to this franchise -- on the field and off -- to toss away in a trade. Did Graves leave the door open a little? Sure, but I am guessing so he has some wiggle room. But be assured, there isn't anyone in this organization that desires Boldin to be traded. They will do everything they can to keep him happy."

The front page of azcardinals.com:

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2325

“We’re not interested in trading him, we’re not interested in fielding calls (from other teams) about him,” general manager Rod Graves said. “What we are interested in is fielding a championship team with Anquan on board.”

This is nothing more than a little hissy fit by Drew Rosenhaus. According to this article by Darren Urban, the Cardinals offered a deal that would of made Anquan one of the top five highest paid recievers in the NFL over a three year period. The response from Rosenhaus? No contact for over a month.

Then out of the blue a phone call from Rosenhaus 'demanding' a trade because he didn't like the numbers the Cardinals gave him. Not surprising considering that he has no leverage to re-do a deal that made Anquan a Cardinal until 2010. What is sad is that instead of using the Cardinals good will towards Anquan to further broker a deal for Anquan that would of given long term him stability, Rosenhaus strarts throwing his toys because he didn't get what he wanted.

Additionally, not one thing has come from the Cardinals that gives credibility to Schefters report of Boldin 'demanding' a trade and that the situation is 'similar to Chad Johnson with the Bengals'. You have denials from the GM, HC and nothing from Anquan. It's just more BS stirred up by Rosenhaus that Schefter simply took at face value without bothering to confirm with the team.

Sorry folks, as much as you like it to happen, Anquan isn't going anywhere at the moment.

Sniper
04-24-2008, 06:10 AM
That's all well and good, except for one thing. Let's say they get Lito Sheppard and a first round pick for Anquan. Lito helps them more at this point than Anquan does. I know, preposterous. But a CB right now is more important than two dominant WRs. They'd be better off with one good CB and one good WR instead of megaultrasuperdomination at WR. A veteran corner helps them more at this point. Then they can use two first round picks to address other needs.

RedAttack
04-24-2008, 06:25 AM
You don't understand. Anquan Boldin is the face of this franchise. When the Cardinals start the draft process they tell their scouts to "give them more Anquan Boldin's". They aren't going to trade a player of his standing for a quick fix at CB and a couple of rookies.

Meta4
04-24-2008, 06:45 AM
You don't understand. Anquan Boldin is the face of this franchise. When the Cardinals start the draft process they tell their scouts to "give them more Anquan Boldin's". They aren't going to trade a player of his standing for a quick fix at CB and a couple of rookies.

I also dont think the Cards are gonna tie up that much money on 2 receivers. You already have the highest paid receiver in the league and I can guarantee Boldin wants to be in the top 3-5. Why would you put that much money into a position that is arguably easily replaceable. Receivers come a dime a dozen nowadays. Why not get a pro bowl cornerback (who are harder to find) and another first round pick for him? Makes sense to me.

Sniper
04-24-2008, 07:36 AM
You don't understand. Anquan Boldin is the face of this franchise. When the Cardinals start the draft process they tell their scouts to "give them more Anquan Boldin's". They aren't going to trade a player of his standing for a quick fix at CB and a couple of rookies.

A) It's "more Anquan Boldins", not Boldin's. You don't need an apostrophe in a plural word

B) Logic like that is what has made the Cardinals what they are today. With Sheppard, you're getting a Pro Bowl CB in his prime. Hardly a "quick fix". It makes a lot of sense to deal Boldin to address other needs.

C) Tell me which scenario would be better for the Cardinals.

Scenario A

WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Anquan Boldin
CB at #16 (Say Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie)

OR

Scenario B

WR Larry Fitzgerald
CB Lito Sheppard
RB Rashard Mendenhall
DRC/Derrick Harvey/Chris Williams/Jeff Otah/Mike Jenkins/Leodis McKelvin/Kenny Phillips

Admittedly, Scenario A is much more eye-catching to the fans because Boldin catches 100 passes per year. But what has mega-domination at the WR spot gotten the Cards? A whole bunch of top 15 picks. Might as well trade Boldin and upgrade the team everywhere else. No sense in tying up all of your cap space at the WR spot. Boldin's going to want $10 million. Why would you spend $20 million on 2 WR when all it gets you is top 15 picks?

RedAttack
04-24-2008, 08:32 AM
I also dont think the Cards are gonna tie up that much money on 2 receivers. You already have the highest paid receiver in the league and I can guarantee Boldin wants to be in the top 3-5. Why would you put that much money into a position that is arguably easily replaceable. Receivers come a dime a dozen nowadays. Why not get a pro bowl cornerback (who are harder to find) and another first round pick for him? Makes sense to me.

Right or wrong, the Cardinals are going to tie up that money in two recievers. As I already stated, according to Darren Urban they offered him a deal that would put him among the highest paid recievers in the NFL over a three year period. That was on top of the deal they just gave Larry Fitzgerald.

I would disagree with your contention that recievers the quality of Boldin are easy to replace. The Eagles cant seem to find a top WR despite drafting a number in the first round and trading for T.O. The same with Dallas and the Redskins to name a few. I would also point out that the subsequent interest in Boldin indicates that the value for a quality WR is still really high.

In regards to Lito Sheppard, the Cardinals obviously value Boldin more. As I stated, Boldin means far more to this team than a injury prone CB who has under performed recently. Anquan Boldin is the face of the Arizona Cardinals and won't be traded.

RedAttack
04-24-2008, 08:36 AM
Double post.

LonghornsLegend
04-24-2008, 09:35 AM
You don't understand. Anquan Boldin is the face of this franchise. When the Cardinals start the draft process they tell their scouts to "give them more Anquan Boldin's". They aren't going to trade a player of his standing for a quick fix at CB and a couple of rookies.


Once again, do you really think you guys can afford to lock up 20 million a year in two WR's? If so you will continue to suck fo years and years, sorry but thats how it's going to be more then likely.



And again, you know Rosenhaus cant go around asking for a trade unless Boldin tells him to right? An agent doesn't have that type of power, he does what Boldin tells him to do, because that's who pays him, he cannot start asking for a trade without any consent if Boldin doesn't want to be traded...Lets get that understood, so all this "Boldin doesn't want to go its just money hungry Rosenhaus" stuff is getting old...Nobodies agent is going around working trade request for guys who didn't ask him to shop him around.

TheGreatEscape
04-24-2008, 06:42 PM
wonder what it would take for the cards to bite? I'd love to see him lining up opposite Plax. Just the idea of giving Eli Plax, Quan, Toomer, Smith, Shockey and Boss to throw to is titilating. Maybe a first and conditional pick next year?Then go DB with our second rounder and a return trip deep into the playoffs wouldn't be shocking.

RedAttack
04-24-2008, 09:03 PM
Once again, do you really think you guys can afford to lock up 20 million a year in two WR's? If so you will continue to suck fo years and years, sorry but thats how it's going to be more then likely.

I don't think it's as black and white as you make it. The Colts won a championship with Harrison and Wayne taking up alot of money. The Rams also won a championship and reached the playoffs with Bruce and Holt. I hardly think there is so much of a precedent for this sort of situation that paying two WR's indicates that you will 'suck' for years?

Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin have done everything in their power to ensure that we stop being the joke of the NFL. So why wouldn't the Cardinals go to great lengths to retain two players who have managed to change this franchise for the better? You don't get rid of those type of players for draft picks in order to start all over again. An 8-8 team doing that is taking a step backwards.

As to that 20 mil figure. Fitzgeralds deal looks like this:

2008: 5.1 Mill
2009: 9.75 Mill
2010: 11.55 Mill
2011: 12.25 Mill
2012: 10.25 Mill

Not only will Boldin not get a deal this big. But with the cap going up each year, it's likely the impact of both Boldin and Fitzgerald being on the books is being over played.

And again, you know Rosenhaus cant go around asking for a trade unless Boldin tells him to right? An agent doesn't have that type of power, he does what Boldin tells him to do, because that's who pays him, he cannot start asking for a trade without any consent if Boldin doesn't want to be traded...Lets get that understood, so all this "Boldin doesn't want to go its just money hungry Rosenhaus" stuff is getting old...Nobodies agent is going around working trade request for guys who didn't ask him to shop him around.

And again, the Head Coach and GM of the team have stated that Anquan Boldin has not requested or demanded a trade. That was made clear yesterday. The fact that Schefter hasn't followed up on his initial report is pretty daming evidence that he put out inaccurate information.

Anquan isn't the type of guy to fly off the handle and demand a trade. He will do what he has always done, and that is let the right people know in the Cardinals that he wants a new deal. The same thing he did last time.

Again, as much as you want it to happen, Anquan Boldin is not being traded.

LonghornsLegend
04-24-2008, 09:35 PM
I don't think it's as black and white as you make it. The Colts won a championship with Harrison and Wayne taking up alot of money. The Rams also won a championship and reached the playoffs with Bruce and Holt. I hardly think there is so much of a precedent for this sort of situation that paying two WR's indicates that you will 'suck' for years?


Put that into context...Reggie Wayne was on his rookie contract when the Colts won the super bowl...So they got their ring, THEN paid Wayne....So they didn't have two WR's making a combined 20 million dollars at the time, even if they did, their team was much more established then the Cardinals now...Yes you can win a super bowl with two WR's making that much money I never said you didn't, but at the same time you cant expect to rebuild a team with that type of salary in the positions...Your odds are against you, because your trying to build a franchise team around those contracts, the other teams you mentioned already had solid/great teams already in foundation, not trying to rebuild with highly paid WR's

Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin have done everything in their power to ensure that we stop being the joke of the NFL. So why wouldn't the Cardinals go to great lengths to retain two players who have managed to change this franchise for the better? You don't get rid of those type of players for draft picks in order to start all over again. An 8-8 team doing that is taking a step backwards.

As to that 20 mil figure. Fitzgeralds deal looks like this:

2008: 5.1 Mill
2009: 9.75 Mill
2010: 11.55 Mill
2011: 12.25 Mill
2012: 10.25 Mill




20 Million per year is how much COMBINED I said Boldin and Fitz would make, I wasn't speaking about just Fitzgerald when I said 20 million...You won't find too many teams who have two WR's with 20 million per year locked up into two WR's, not contenders but teams trying to go from the bottom to the top.



Not only will Boldin not get a deal this big. But with the cap going up each year, it's likely the impact of both Boldin and Fitzgerald being on the books is being over played.




Boldin wont get a deal this big? Thats funny because his numbers rival Fitzgeralds, and suggest he should...Were you not paying attention to the deal Berrian just got? Boldin is 3x the WR he is, yet making ALOT less...Don't think for one minute that doesn't cross these guys minds



And again, the Head Coach and GM of the team have stated that Anquan Boldin has not requested or demanded a trade. That was made clear yesterday. The fact that Schefter hasn't followed up on his initial report is pretty daming evidence that he put out inaccurate information.

Anquan isn't the type of guy to fly off the handle and demand a trade. He will do what he has always done, and that is let the right people know in the Cardinals that he wants a new deal. The same thing he did last time.




Once again, I will repeat myself, an agent cannot speak on a players behalf without consent from that player, and he cannot speak on that players behalf on his own judgement...Do you really think Rosenhaus can start making trade offers, trying to shop a client, without speaking to him first? He would be fired for that, and its not allowed, trust me on that...Boldin might not of came out and boldly said it the way Chad did, but he told Rosenhaus he wanted to be traded before he shopped the offers around, or he told him to see what he could get offered or who was interested, but Rosenhaus, nor any other agent anywhere in the NFL can start to shop a player around on their own judgement.

Rosenhaus has a million clients, not just a few, why doesn't he throw out bogus trade demands for anyone else? He gets out there when they tell him to, because that's his job, Boldin's contract isn't up this season so he wouldn't be a priority this off-season, but if he gets told to look for offers thats what he has to do...Sorry but thats just not something he can do on his own.



Again, as much as you want it to happen, Anquan Boldin is not being traded.



If he was to be traded, the Redskins would end up with him, not Dallas, so why would I want someone as good as him to play Dallas twice, remind me again? So no, I don't want him to get traded, because I know we won't out bid them, but that still doesn't change my stance on him telling his agent he wanted to shop him around



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RedAttack
04-25-2008, 06:25 AM
Put that into context...Reggie Wayne was on his rookie contract when the Colts won the super bowl...So they got their ring, THEN paid Wayne....So they didn't have two WR's making a combined 20 million dollars at the time, even if they did, their team was much more established then the Cardinals now...

But they currently have Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne on the books at the same time don't they? That hasn't affected them being considered a top 5 team and a possible Superbowl pick. They have hardly fallen apart at the seams with the salaries that they both command. The Colts made a commitment to the most valued members of their franchise. Much the same way the Cardinals plan to.

Yes you can win a super bowl with two WR's making that much money I never said you didn't, but at the same time you cant expect to rebuild a team with that type of salary in the positions...Your odds are against you, because your trying to build a franchise team around those contracts, the other teams you mentioned already had solid/great teams already in foundation, not trying to rebuild with highly paid WR's


The Cardinals are an 8-8 team with a top 10 offense. I don't consider them 'rebuilding'. They aren't starting from scratch. Getting rid of Boldin would be a step backwards towards a 'rebuilding' phase. You build around your best players. Two of the best players the Cardinals have just happen to be WR's.

20 Million per year is how much COMBINED I said Boldin and Fitz would make, I wasn't speaking about just Fitzgerald when I said 20 million...You won't find too many teams who have two WR's with 20 million per year locked up into two WR's, not contenders but teams trying to go from the bottom to the top.

Boldin wont get a deal this big? Thats funny because his numbers rival Fitzgeralds, and suggest he should...Were you not paying attention to the deal Berrian just got? Boldin is 3x the WR he is, yet making ALOT less...Don't think for one minute that doesn't cross these guys minds

There are a couple of differences between Boldin and Fitzgeralds situations. But they are significant.

1) Boldin is going to be 28 years old when the season is underway. With his style of play and propensity to miss time with injuries his 'shelf life' is going to start to wind down. I just can't see Boldin having a really long career, as his body is going to start to break down from all the punishment he takes. That affects his value. Alternativley, Larry is younger and doesn't look for contact the way Boldin does. He is an asset with with a longer 'shelf life'.

2) Anquan signed and extension of his rookie contract in 2005. He is under crontract until 2010. Thus, he and Rosenhaus have very little leverage to pressure the Cardinals. Larry was coming off a huge year and was in the final year of his deal. He could ask for the moon and get it. Anquan is not going to enter free agency and have his value inflated like Berrian just did. Unfair? Possibly. But thats what happens when you take the security of a contract extension.

The Cardinals are going to give Boldin alot of cash because they highly value him as a member of the franchise. He is a corner-stone of the team. But it won't be the amount Larry got. The circumstances are different.

Once again, I will repeat myself, an agent cannot speak on a players behalf without consent from that player, and he cannot speak on that players behalf on his own judgement...Do you really think Rosenhaus can start making trade offers, trying to shop a client, without speaking to him first? He would be fired for that, and its not allowed, trust me on that...Boldin might not of came out and boldly said it the way Chad did, but he told Rosenhaus he wanted to be traded before he shopped the offers around, or he told him to see what he could get offered or who was interested, but Rosenhaus, nor any other agent anywhere in the NFL can start to shop a player around on their own judgement.

Rosenhaus has a million clients, not just a few, why doesn't he throw out bogus trade demands for anyone else? He gets out there when they tell him to, because that's his job, Boldin's contract isn't up this season so he wouldn't be a priority this off-season, but if he gets told to look for offers thats what he has to do...Sorry but thats just not something he can do on his own.

Dude, Anquan Boldin has not requested or demanded a trade. Thus making your whole point moot.

Even if a trade request was made, it would be denied as the Cardinals have said 'no' to every single team that has called them about his avaliablity.

LonghornsLegend
04-25-2008, 11:57 AM
Dude, Anquan Boldin has not requested or demanded a trade. Thus making your whole point moot.

Even if a trade request was made, it would be denied as the Cardinals have said 'no' to every single team that has called them about his avaliablity.

You just don't get it do you? Boldin told Rosenhaus to shop him around, Rosenhaus asked teams about a trade, Boldin did not publicly say anything about being traded, but he told Drew to do it for him...Once again, An agent cannot ask to trade a player without a player's consent.

Read that again if you want to, but don't speak on things you don't know...Don't just read the reports, Marvin Lewis just came out last week in an interview "No, we did not receive an offer for Chad, we haven't spoken to anyone", and all the Cincy fans were screaming it never happened, then when Marvin realized the article had leaked, he owned up to it and admitted he said it.


I'm pretty sure you don't know how agents worked, but Rosenhaus has over 50 well known clients, not just a few, if somebody wants a trade, THEY consult with HIM...It's illegal for Drew to do that on his own, Why does'nt Boldin just fire him? Why would you want your agent trying to trade you when you didn't want to? Does that make any sense to you?


A player tells his agent what to do, Boldin pays him, not the other way around, the player is in charge, Drew only does what he is told to do point blank...You can choose to believe what you want about your favorite player, but the FACTS are that its illegal for sports agents to do that and it's obvious you don't even know the whole story behind your player.

RedAttack
04-25-2008, 07:53 PM
You just don't get it do you? Boldin told Rosenhaus to shop him around, Rosenhaus asked teams about a trade, Boldin did not publicly say anything about being traded, but he told Drew to do it for him...Once again, An agent cannot ask to trade a player without a player's consent.

Read that again if you want to, but don't speak on things you don't know...Don't just read the reports, Marvin Lewis just came out last week in an interview "No, we did not receive an offer for Chad, we haven't spoken to anyone", and all the Cincy fans were screaming it never happened, then when Marvin realized the article had leaked, he owned up to it and admitted he said it.


I'm pretty sure you don't know how agents worked, but Rosenhaus has over 50 well known clients, not just a few, if somebody wants a trade, THEY consult with HIM...It's illegal for Drew to do that on his own, Why does'nt Boldin just fire him? Why would you want your agent trying to trade you when you didn't want to? Does that make any sense to you?


A player tells his agent what to do, Boldin pays him, not the other way around, the player is in charge, Drew only does what he is told to do point blank...You can choose to believe what you want about your favorite player, but the FACTS are that its illegal for sports agents to do that and it's obvious you don't even know the whole story behind your player.

My comprehension of what you are writing is just fine, thanks. So you can leave out the condescending nonsense.

Anquan has not asked for a trade. Please link me to a verified report that indicates that? I can link to many articles and quotes that from the GM and HC of the Cardinals that state Anquan has not asked for a trade.

If you can just do that, we can continue. But I haven't seen a single credible report.

fenikz
05-02-2008, 03:50 PM
Looks like us Cardinals fans were right the entire time

"I went to sleep one night and woke up the next morning and I was disgruntled, wanted out of Arizona and all this stuff," Boldin said. "I hadn't even talked to nobody. It's funny to see the reports going around, especially around draft time. It is what it is. I can't do anything about it. None of it was me."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-7-28/Boldin-shoots-down-trade-talk.html

Geo
05-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Man, I hate Rosenhaus so much. I try to stop myself from wishing bad things upon him.