Will the Chiefs Dominate the Draft?

[Thunder&Lightning]

The Chiefs gained a first round pick and two third round picks when they traded Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings. Now the Chiefs have 6 total picks in the first three rounds of the draft two of them being early first round selections. Before I felt the Falcons were the frontrunner for being the most successful in the draft but now I feel that the Chiefs have taken over being the frontrunner...

Also, what do you guys think the Chiefs will do with there 2 first round picks?

Chiefs Picks
1(5)
1(17)
2(35)
3(66)
3(73)
3(82)

[tom]

Having a lot of picks isn't any guarantee... I think the Steelers will have the best draft... because we know how to pick them... The Chiefs will probably find one starter, two backups and 3 busts in the first three rounds...

[T-RICH49]

Having a lot of picks isn't any guarantee... I think the Steelers will have the best draft... because we know how to pick them... The Chiefs will probably find one starter, two backups and 3 busts in the first three rounds...

if Carl Peterson was calling the shots you'd be right.Herm's drafts in KC so far have been pretty good.I see KC possibly going C.Long or Gholston at 5 then OT or possibly even CB then addressing OT in RD 2

[LonghornsLegend]

I had them go Albert and Merlingn in my mock draft, but they could easily opt to take a DE early, but I dont like the value of tackles at 17 unless you want to reach for Cherileus or hope Otah falls...Their O line is still a mess however you look at it, and Herm wants to get back to the power running game and making things easier for Croyle.

[Xiomera]

When was the last time the Lions had the best of anything? . . . Millen is gonna net us the best draft. Watch for it!

[princefielder28]

I expect Buffalo to have a good draft; may not be the best but the talent level they receive at areas of need with be big

[eazyb81]

I think they'll take Ryan if he's there at 5, but if not then they'll go BPA. Herm has a history of not drafting for need, and it's stupid for a rebuilding team to reach for needs to begin with.

KC has holes all over the field and they should be set up well for the future after this weekend.

[Yatta!]

The Chiefs and Falcons are probably gonna have around 3 rookies each starting for them in week 1, maybe more. But how those picks pan out is too difficult to say.

I personally think the Chiefs will go OT with the first pick then either DE or CB. I also think trading down is another possibility.

[d34ng3l021]

Yeah. I am pretty pissed about this trade. Steals the thunder away from the Falcons draft. Lets just hope they make terrible picks. ;)

[IndyColtScout]

Personally, if I were the Chiefs GM my strategy would be to get Croyle Help. At #5 I draft Branden Albert to play LT. At #17 I take Malcolm Kelly to be a great #2 opposite Bowe. I love the Bowe/Kelly/LJ/Gonzo combo because they are all big physical players. Rounds two through five is where the Chiefs fill their defensive needs.

The Chiefs could really transform their team with young talent in this draft.

[vidae]

I've said it for a while now but I still think Matt Ryan will be the pick if he's there at 5. Matt Ryan at 5 and then Otah or Williams (or whatever first round grade oline is there at 17) unless they're gone and then probably a CB.

If Matt Ryan is gone at 5 to Atlanta or someone trading up, I could see them trading down to garner even more picks and pick up an offensive line or Gholston / Long, if they're still there, but in the end I think it'll be Matt Ryan.

edit: Malcolm Kelly? No thanks, there are other WRs I'd rather have.

[BeerBaron]

this is eerily similar to me of the herschel walker trade that set the cowboys up with a dynasty....

now i dont think the chiefs got quite that much but i do believe that they can turn things around fairly quickly by making good picks

[d34ng3l021]

If the Chiefs can have a huge draft, that would really set them up for the future. The amount of high picks they have, and picks overall, is ridiculous.

[IndyColtScout]

I've said it for a while now but I still think Matt Ryan will be the pick if he's there at 5. Matt Ryan at 5 and then Otah or Williams (or whatever first round grade oline is there at 17) unless they're gone and then probably a CB.

If Matt Ryan is gone at 5 to Atlanta or someone trading up, I could see them trading down to garner even more picks and pick up an offensive line or Gholston / Long, if they're still there, but in the end I think it'll be Matt Ryan.

edit: Malcolm Kelly? No thanks, there are other WRs I'd rather have.

Maybe Limas Sweed then? I just like the thought of teaming another big physical WR with the positional players they already have. Either way there is a chance the Chiefs go CB or OL at #17 and can wait for a WR at #35. Kelly would be a better pick at #35.

[Babylon]

The Chiefs gained a first round pick and two third round picks when they traded Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings. Now the Chiefs have 6 total picks in the first three rounds of the draft two of them being early first round selections. Before I felt the Falcons were the frontrunner for being the most successful in the draft but now I feel that the Chiefs have taken over being the frontrunner...

Also, what do you guys think the Chiefs will do with there 2 first round picks?

Chiefs Picks
1(5)
1(17)
2(35)
3(66)
3(73)
3(82)

It's going to be interesting to see how they aproach those picks on a total basis. My picks would probably be;

1. Matt Ryan
1. Chris Williams
2. Antoine Cason
3. Jordy Nelson
3. Ali Highsmith
3. Brian Johnston

[T-RICH49]

Personally, if I were the Chiefs GM my strategy would be to get Croyle Help. At #5 I draft Branden Albert to play LT. At #17 I take Malcolm Kelly to be a great #2 opposite Bowe. I love the Bowe/Kelly/LJ/Gonzo combo because they are all big physical players. Rounds two through five is where the Chiefs fill their defensive needs.

The Chiefs could really transform their team with young talent in this draft.

but what if a Chris Long or Vernon Gholston are available should KC consider doing that then going OL at 17?

[vidae]

It's going to be interesting to see how they aproach those picks on a total basis. My picks would probably be;

1. Matt Ryan
1. Chris Williams
2. Antoine Cason
3. Jordy Nelson
3. Ali Highsmith
3. Brian Johnston

Solid mock but would prefer offensive line instead of Ali Highsmith. Otherwise yes please.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Atlanta? They have some really high picks!

[d34ng3l021]

I dont see how Chris Williams will last til 17 or Cason to your 2nd round pick (Falcons will take him before hand)

[Young Legend]

alot more picks = alot more ways to screw up.

[BeerBaron]

Solid mock but would prefer offensive line instead of Ali Highsmith. Otherwise yes please.

chris williams doesnt make it past the bears unless they go clady instead...

[Yatta!]

I just did a two round mock and this is what I did with KC:

Trade with Baltimore pick up an extra 2nd rounder.
#8 OT Ryan Clady
#17 CB Mike Jenkins
#35 DE Lawrence Jackson
#38 WR Malcolm Kelly
#47 OG Chilo Rachal

I think that would be an amazing draft, it'll all depends on if they want Ryan or not.

[T-RICH49]

I just did a two round mock and this is what I did with KC:

Trade with Baltimore pick up an extra 2nd rounder.
#8 OT Ryan Clady
#17 CB Mike Jenkins
#35 DE Lawrence Jackson
#38 WR Malcolm Kelly
#47 OG Chilo Rachal

I think that would be an amazing draft, it'll all depends on if they want Ryan or not.


will you accpet the posistion as the new general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs :)

[FrankGore]

If I were the Chiefs I'd still look into trading my #5 pick down. Drafting Gholston or Long to try to "replace" Allen just isn't going to work or do anything for the team. I'd ask the Ravens if they want to move up and take Ryan away from the Jets. If they do, I'd slide down to #8 and select Branden Albert there. At #17 I would pick the best available corner (that's likely where Cromartie, McKelvin, Jenkins all might land). Then I'd have so many picks left in the following rounds I'd selectively trade up to get guys that I want, filling needs at DE, OL, WR and DT...and if the right QB is there, that too.

They COULD have an amazing draft if they get a little creative with this. But I don't know what they're going to do at #5.

[IndyColtScout]

but what if a Chris Long or Vernon Gholston are available should KC consider doing that then going OL at 17?

If KC can find a way to do it, swap picks with the Pats. They want Gholston.

Dream scenario for KC:

#1 MIA-J. Long (set) (LT)
#2 STL-G.Dorsey (DT)
#3 ATL-C.Long (DE)
#4 NYJ (via OAK)- D. McFadden (RB)
#5 NE (via KC)- V. Gholston (LB/DE)
#6 OAK- S. Ellis (DT)
#7 KC- B. Albert (LT)
#8 BAL- M. Ryan (QB)
#9 CIN- D. Harvey (DE)
#10 NO- L. McElvin (CB/PR)

[T-RICH49]

this will be the most interesting/exciting Chiefs draft I can remember

[BPhilb]

this will be the most interesting/exciting Chiefs draft I can remember


...but also nerve wrecking. If we screw this up it will be a long time before we get back to being a playoff contender.

[T-RICH49]

...but also nerve wrecking. If we screw this up it will be a long time before we get back to being a playoff contender.

which is why we need to lock CP out of the war room and let Herm do the drafting.his draft so far for us have been good

[FizzyFalcons]

I think the Falcons will pick 2 times in Round 1 too

[vidae]

Herm has put together some good drafts. He is a solid evaluator of talent, which is why I'm not worried.

[NIN1984]

1(5) Branden Albert -OG/OT- Virginia
1(17) Mike Jenkins -CB- South Florida
2(35) Malcolm Kelly -WR- Oklahoma

Albert could start at LT while Jenkins can be the #2 CB and learn from Patrick Surtain for a season. Kelly would be a nice #2 WR to give Croyle some more weapons...

The 3 picks they have in the 3rd round the Chiefs could address more depth on the O-line and D-line...

3(66) Chilo Rachal -OG- USC
3(73) Chris Ellis -DE- Virginia Tech
3(82) Pat Sims -DT- Auburn

And just think that's just first 3 rounds. KC lost a great player in Allen but Chiefs fans should have a lot of fun this weekend.

[vidae]

Is anyone else worried about Malcolm Kelly with his injury and slow 40 time?

[T-RICH49]

Is anyone else worried about Malcolm Kelly with his injury and slow 40 time?

a little bit but Herm looks less at 40 times and more at ability and Kelly definatley has ability to be a good WR

[broth223]

When was the last time the Lions had the best of anything? . . . Millen is gonna net us the best draft. Watch for it!

We seem to be the best at finding busts that everyone likes.

[Larry121283]

Now that the Chiefs have leverage and quantity in their picks...I think they just start at the top of their board and work down.

I think they start off with Sedrick Ellis @ pick #5 and go on from there. Pick up their best available offensive lineman @ #17 and then use the rest of the picks to really start building the roster up.

[vidae]

I would be shocked (not upset) if Ellis was the pick at five.

[broth223]

I'm thinking either Gholston or Long (unless they are both gone which is fully possible)

[Larry121283]

I would be shocked (not upset) if Ellis was the pick at five.
Of course it isn't conventional...but who else would they take?

Gholston...eh, I can see why (they need a pass rusher) but I just don't see them pulling the trigger.

Offensive tackle/lineman...yes, but I think now that they have #17, they'll go offensive tackle there where there is better value.

Quarterback...for the life of me I can't see KC going QB, especially Ryan, in round 1. Maybe they go Brohm @ 17 or someone else in round 2-3 but Ryan just seems like a stretch to me for the Chiefs.

So, who else merits the spot @ #5? Ellis does, I think. It is a bit of a stretch, but if Ellis is there, and the top 4 has J. Long, C. Long, Dorsey, and McFadden (in some order)...Ellis seems like a fit. Herm type DT, if you ask me.

Of course, a trade down to acquire more picks wouldn't shock me either.

I'm no Chiefs fan, just an outsider looking in...

[Unbiased]

Having a lot of picks isn't any guarantee... I think the Steelers will have the best draft... because we know how to pick them... The Chiefs will probably find one starter, two backups and 3 busts in the first three rounds...

Based on our situation, there's no way we will have the bet draft, even given how well we pick. Only way we could have the best draft is to trade out of round 1.

[eliteeagle]

what do you guys think the Chiefs will do with there 2 first round picks?

Chiefs Picks
1(5)
1(17)
2(35)
3(66)
3(73)
3(82)

alright for fun heres what i would try to do if I were the Chiefs

1. Trade down with the saints and pick up an extra two.... then pick either albert and clady at 10
2. Trade up with the bills from 17 to 11 giving up your last 3 (allows the bills to get value and pick a reciever)..... Take Jeff Otah

with your now 2 second round picks take Justin King and Lawrence Jackson
with you 2 threes take Dexter Jackson and Antwaun Molden

this now takes your biggest weakness (O-Line) and makes it potentially a strength... 2 bookends for the next 15 years? (also trading down from 5 to 10 allows you to sign both first rounders cheaper then the #5 by itself...Levi brown got 6 years 62 mil last year as the #5...amobi okoye got 5 years 15.4 as the #10)

then you fill in allen's spot with Jackson add 2 intriguing corners in king and molden to help your secondary and a wide reciever to complement bowe


also if croyle fails bad and your stuck drafting a QB high next year you put him in a great situation wit a solid O-Line a good running back and people to throw to

[Basileus777]

We need to go BPA. There isn't any reason to reach for need when we are going to be picking in the top 10 next year anyway.

[Ho0k Em']

I'm so excited for this draft. There's so many possibilities for the Chiefs. Right now I have my mock Long, Long, Ryan, Gholston. Which would give us Dorsey which would be amazing. I really want Dorsey or Ellis, but I will settle for Gholston.

My Ideal Chiefs draft

5. Dorsey or Ellis
17. Harvey(doubt he's there) or Merling
35. Sam Baker
66. Chilo Rachel
73. Jordy Nelson or Earl Bennett
82. Brandon Flowers or any physical corner.

If Dorsey isn't available when we pick I would love to trade down with the Pats and still be able to get Ellis.

[Ho0k Em']

alright for fun heres what i would try to do if I were the Chiefs

1. Trade down with the saints and pick up an extra two.... then pick either albert and clady at 10
2. Trade up with the bills from 17 to 11 giving up your last 3 (allows the bills to get value and pick a reciever)..... Take Jeff Otah

with your now 2 second round picks take Justin King and Lawrence Jackson
with you 2 threes take Dexter Jackson and Antwaun Molden

this now takes your biggest weakness (O-Line) and makes it potentially a strength... 2 bookends for the next 15 years? (also trading down from 5 to 10 allows you to sign both first rounders cheaper then the #5 by itself...Levi brown got 6 years 62 mil last year as the #5...amobi okoye got 5 years 15.4 as the #10)

then you fill in allen's spot with Jackson add 2 intriguing corners in king and molden to help your secondary and a wide reciever to complement bowe


also if croyle fails bad and your stuck drafting a QB high next year you put him in a great situation wit a solid O-Line a good running back and people to throw to

I like that alot especially the idea of trading up with our 17 and one of our 3rds to get Otah or Williams.

[Turtlepower]

Don't forget that KC also has a 2nd 7th rounder thanks to them sending us Lawrence Tynes. =D

[Babylon]

Is anyone else worried about Malcolm Kelly with his injury and slow 40 time?

Injury and slow 40 times? minor details. Kelly seems to be the guy that gets a pass no matter what he does, forget the fact he didnt have a great year, is relatively slow and comes from a school that usually underachieves at that position. Now having said that if he were to drop to the 3rd round his appeal becomes a lot differant.

[sillyrabbit]

# of picks doesnt matter WHO YOU PICK matters

[Ho0k Em']

# of picks doesnt matter WHO YOU PICK matters

But more picks means better probability of getting quality players.

[proshoota25]

you guys have the right idea, let my pats trade up to five to get gholston!!! haha you guys would be in a perfect spot to select your guy: ryan/clady/albert/ellis. its a win-win situation for both, and you could prolly pick up an extra 3rd rounder.

this draft is going to be so exciting

[vidae]

you guys have the right idea, let my pats trade up to five to get gholston!!! haha you guys would be in a perfect spot to select your guy: ryan/clady/albert/ellis. its a win-win situation for both, and you could prolly pick up an extra 3rd rounder.

this draft is going to be so exciting

Yes please!

[KaneMarko]

It's going to be interesting to see how they aproach those picks on a total basis. My picks would probably be;

1. Matt Ryan
1. Chris Williams
2. Antoine Cason
3. Jordy Nelson
3. Ali Highsmith
3. Brian Johnston

In my final mock I have them going:

1. Sed Ellis
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Lawrence Jackson
3. Charles Godfrey
3. Tyvon Branch
3. Philip Wheeler

[adschofield]

Having a lot of picks isn't any guarantee... I think the Steelers will have the best draft... because we know how to pick them... The Chiefs will probably find one starter, two backups and 3 busts in the first three rounds...

Thanks for playing, but you're wrong, Herm, despite his flaws is one the best talent evaulators in the league

[adschofield]

alot more picks = alot more ways to screw up.

That's only if you have Al Davis running things :D

[bored of education]

1. Chris Long
1. Jeff Otah
2. Early Doucet
3. Roy Schuening
3. Terrel Thomas
3. Martin Rucker
4. Wesley Woodyard
5. Terrance Wheatly
5. Cody Wallace
6. Thaddeus Coleman
6. Marcus Monk
7. Derek Lokey
7. Trevor Scott

A++++++

:)

[Young Legend]

That's only if you have Al Davis running things :D

Or Carl Peterson .

[bored of education]

Or Carl Peterson .

Only when it comes to DTs do the chiefs suck drafting wise lol

[Iamcanadian]

Personally I doubt either KC or Atlanta have the best drafts, their drafting records aren't that good. I think they got ripped in the Allen trade, the #17th pick isn't going to be guaranteed to be a star and 2 third round picks can easily turnout to = nothing. Allen is a star and he's only 26 with many good years ahead of him. It was a terrific trade for Minny in my opinion and could set them up to make the playoffs for years. Allen was easily worth 2600 points on the draft chart and all KC got for him was in the neighbourhood of 1750 points, a steal for Minny especially considering Allen is a proven star while KC's picks haven't proved anything just yet.

[adschofield]

What if Allen leaves next year and we get no compensation? Something is better than nothing and a value of a 1st and a late 2nd is great in this league...Is Allen going to be better than who we draft at #17? Yes. But wrapping up 70 million in one player with DUI problems while the Chiefs have a plethora of other needs to adress just doesn't make sense.

I think the Chiefs will get..

1. Matt Ryan
1. Jeff Otah
2. Calais Campbell

[adschofield]

Or Carl Peterson .

Too bad the only player that Carl Peterson has really drafted is Larry Johnson...He gives the authority to the Scouting Director and HC...most of our busts came during the Vermeil Era

[toonsterwu]

Whoa, Allen was the worth the 2nd overall? I don't think anyone would remotely suggest that Allen, with his risk factor, was worth 2nd overall value .

I like the trade for the Chiefs. I do. They essentially got what they asked for. They got their 1st and a 2nd, albeit, in place of the 2nd, they got 2 3rd's, which may prove to be more beneficial.

Here's the thing - That team, as currently constructed, was in a repetitive cycle of at best, being decent-solid, but never being good enough to dominate. Allen was a risk, and they were unsure about the contract. This was a team that had holes developing quicker than they could replace them. They had secondary questions, some DL questions, OL holes, age at TE, a questionable QB, another WR was needed, and at some point soon, they would have had to ponder the possibility of adding a back.

The additional 3 picks goes a long way towards giving them a chance to rebuild. No, the chances of them hitting on everything is slim. It's very slim. But their chances just improved dramatically, particularly in a draft noted for it's depth.

I think this gives the Chiefs the cover to go for Matt Ryan at the top if he falls. He would be BPA at 5, and they have the extra picks to fill out OL needs. If he's not there, it'll be interesting which route they go.

[Babylon]

Whoa, Allen was the worth the 2nd overall? I don't think anyone would remotely suggest that Allen, with his risk factor, was worth 2nd overall value .

I like the trade for the Chiefs. I do. They essentially got what they asked for. They got their 1st and a 2nd, albeit, in place of the 2nd, they got 2 3rd's, which may prove to be more beneficial.

Here's the thing - That team, as currently constructed, was in a repetitive cycle of at best, being decent-solid, but never being good enough to dominate. Allen was a risk, and they were unsure about the contract. This was a team that had holes developing quicker than they could replace them. They had secondary questions, some DL questions, OL holes, age at TE, a questionable QB, another WR was needed, and at some point soon, they would have had to ponder the possibility of adding a back.

The additional 3 picks goes a long way towards giving them a chance to rebuild. No, the chances of them hitting on everything is slim. It's very slim. But their chances just improved dramatically, particularly in a draft noted for it's depth.

I think this gives the Chiefs the cover to go for Matt Ryan at the top if he falls. He would be BPA at 5, and they have the extra picks to fill out OL needs. If he's not there, it'll be interesting which route they go.

I agree, Ryan would be a great choice there at 5. I'm not convinced that one of the top tackles(otah,Williams,Clady or Albert) wont be there at 17. Or if they're worried about not getting a corner take one at 17 and draft a Sam Baker at 35. The draft is set up perfect for them to get a quality WR in round 3 too.

[kmartin575]

Or Carl Peterson .

But Peterson isn't running the draft anymore.

[Joeyjr09]

I think some people are kidding themselves by thinking Chilo Rachal will last all the way to round 3 for KC. He's the best pure OG in this draft and will go somewhere in the mid 2nd.

[toonsterwu]

There were some concerns that supposedly emanated from the workouts. Granted, could be bull, so only time will tell. I think he's more in that late 2nd/early 3rd range, with a shot to mid 2nd.

[Joeyjr09]

There were some concerns that supposedly emanated from the workouts. Granted, could be bull, so only time will tell. I think he's more in that late 2nd/early 3rd range, with a shot to mid 2nd.

PFW has a report up saying that he is getting consideration in the low 1st. No way could I see him sliding to round 3. Too many teams need OL in this draft. He'll be gone by the mid 2nd.

[adschofield]

PFW has a report up saying that he is getting consideration in the low 1st. No way could I see him sliding to round 3. Too many teams need OL in this draft. He'll be gone by the mid 2nd.

Oh well if PFW said so I don't know why we don't just take him off the board already since we have no shot

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Chiefs fans dont get your hopes up.Chris Long isnt going to get past Al.

[MetSox17]

Chiefs fans dont get your hopes up.Chris Long isnt going to get past Al.

Tell that to Darren McFadden

[Mouse]

did anyone think the Giants had the best draft around this time last year?

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Tell that to Darren McFadden
Howies son>McFadden.

[BallerT1215]

The Bills drafts have been terrific the last 2 years and now we have 10 picks this year. I'm expecting big things - Marv Levy is no longer the GM but Modrak was in charge of the Draft the last few years anyways so it makes no difference.

[eazyb81]

Adam Schefter was on Sirius Radio saying both the Jets and Pats are talking to the Chiefs about trading up to #5 for Gholston.

KC might not be done stockpiling picks.

[Joeyjr09]

Oh well if PFW said so I don't know why we don't just take him off the board already since we have no shot

No need to act like a smart ass. He said there were reports of poor workouts to back up his point. I was merely bringing up that there are reports of him going in the 1st round to back up my point.

[adschofield]

Adam Schefter was on Sirius Radio saying both the Jets and Pats are talking to the Chiefs about trading up to #5 for Gholston.

KC might not be done stockpiling picks.

Would Pats give up a 3rd...4th?

[vidae]

Swap firsts, add another third?

That'd be hotsauce.

[youcandoit1687]

The Chiefs are in a lot of "trouble" at #5 if the draft goes like this:

2. Chris Long to the Rams...leaves the Falcons to jump on:
3. Glenn Dorsey to the Falcons...no need to take Matt Ryan with Dorsey available
4. Darren McFadden to the Raiders...doesn't particularly affect the Chiefs

Chiefs are stuck with Gholston(not a scheme fit), Ryan(all depends on Brodie Croyle), Branden Albert(possible reach but the most likely selection), or Sedrick Ellis(not a great fit, slight reach). If they can get Dorsey or Long here, they are golden, otherwise they are stuck with some players who aren't particularly great fits for the Chiefs at #5.

[vidae]

Or they can trade down and get more picks. It all depends how in love NE is with Gholston or Jets/Ravens are with Matt Ryan.

If the top four played out like that I think we'd just take Ryan anyway, so.

[kmartin575]

The Chiefs are in a lot of "trouble" at #5 if the draft goes like this:

2. Chris Long to the Rams...leaves the Falcons to jump on:
3. Glenn Dorsey to the Falcons...no need to take Matt Ryan with Dorsey available
4. Darren McFadden to the Raiders...doesn't particularly affect the Chiefs

Chiefs are stuck with Gholston(not a scheme fit), Ryan(all depends on Brodie Croyle), Branden Albert(possible reach but the most likely selection), or Sedrick Ellis(not a great fit, slight reach). If they can get Dorsey or Long here, they are golden, otherwise they are stuck with some players who aren't particularly great fits for the Chiefs at #5.

How is Sedrick Ellis not a great fit? He is a three technique defensive tackle, exactly what we need on defense. That makes no sense at all.

And the Chiefs have been in contact with several teams looking to trade up.

[toonsterwu]

The Chiefs are in a lot of "trouble" at #5 if the draft goes like this:

2. Chris Long to the Rams...leaves the Falcons to jump on:
3. Glenn Dorsey to the Falcons...no need to take Matt Ryan with Dorsey available
4. Darren McFadden to the Raiders...doesn't particularly affect the Chiefs

Chiefs are stuck with Gholston(not a scheme fit), Ryan(all depends on Brodie Croyle), Branden Albert(possible reach but the most likely selection), or Sedrick Ellis(not a great fit, slight reach). If they can get Dorsey or Long here, they are golden, otherwise they are stuck with some players who aren't particularly great fits for the Chiefs at #5.

I absolutely disagree that they are in trouble. I think Peterson's goal this offseason is to rebuild, so if they get a trade down, they'll be fine.

First off, Gholston, as many, such as myself, have argued, might be a better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. I absolutely think he could be a great fit.

2nd, Matt Ryan. He's very good value there, and in all honesty, what do the Chiefs know about Brodie Croyle? And this is coming from a Croyle fan. Simply put, 3rd round QB's are guys that get their chances, but unless they prove enough early on, they aren't going to block a team from making another QB pick.

3rd, Sedrick Ellis is a fine fit there and fine value. He can perhaps be a 4-3 UT, but at worst, he can be a good 4-3 NT for the scheme.

That said, I could see the Jets/Pats games continue, although I still think the most likely scenario for a trade would be the Saints if they want Ellis. The lower it gets, the more likely the Bengals ponder a deal. So, if the Saints want Ellis, they might get aggressive here.

[vidae]

I think that there is a shot the Pats move up past the Jets for Gholston if he's there. I'm not saying it's a good shot, but it's a shot. If that happens, we could move down and potentially still take Ryan, if the Jets pass.

The Chiefs have been "mocked" to have so many different players (even before the JA trade) that it doesn't really matter to me atm. There are some I want more than others, but almost everyone (with the exception of DMac) will fill a need.

[BlindSite]

The Chiefs gained a first round pick and two third round picks when they traded Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings. Now the Chiefs have 6 total picks in the first three rounds of the draft two of them being early first round selections. Before I felt the Falcons were the frontrunner for being the most successful in the draft but now I feel that the Chiefs have taken over being the frontrunner...

Also, what do you guys think the Chiefs will do with there 2 first round picks?

Chiefs Picks
1(5)
1(17)
2(35)
3(66)
3(73)
3(82)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gholston/Long either of whom could be there followed by Otah.

[Mr. Stiller]

nothings guarenteed.

What, the jets had 4-1st rounders about 5-8 years ago and blew that. big time.

[kmartin575]

nothings guarenteed.

What, the jets had 4-1st rounders about 5-8 years ago and blew that. big time.

Not really. John Abraham and Shaun Ellis were both very good picks and Chad Pennington was good early on but had his career derailed by injury. I wouldn't really call him a bad pick. Anthony Becht was the only bad pick IMO.

[T-RICH49]

Sirius reported yesterday that NE and the Jets have talked to KC about the 5th pick.looks like the wheeling and dealing may not be done yet