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bigmac076
02-26-2007, 10:22 PM
I dont have one yet, but I felt I should start a team mocks thread.

mtmock
02-26-2007, 10:29 PM
do you mean just show cowboys picks or a whole draft? :) ?

bigmac076
02-26-2007, 10:30 PM
just Cowboys picks

mtmock
02-26-2007, 10:37 PM
1.Chris Houston/CB
2.Aundrae Allison/WR
3.Manuel Ramirez/OG
4.Dan Bazuin/3-4 OLB
5.Justin Medlock/K
6.Stanley Doughty/NT
6.David Ball/WR
7.Isaih Stanback/ATH
7.Justin Hickman/3-4 OLB
7.Gary Russell/RB

:)

bigmac076
02-26-2007, 10:57 PM
we have 2 6ths according to NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6

mtmock
02-26-2007, 10:59 PM
we have 2 6ths according to NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6
my bad :)....

nrcirc
03-09-2007, 12:26 PM
1). Robert Meacham WR (6-2 214 4.39)
2). Tim Crowder DE/OLB (6-35/8 272 4.69)
3). Fred Bennett, CB (6-1 196 4.46)
4). John Wendling Safeties (6-11/4 222 4.48)
5). Jacob Ford DE/LB (6-35/8 249 4.65)
6). Paul Soliai NT (6-4 344 5.14)
6). Courtney Brown DB (6-1 3/8, 200 4.32) – Average over 1 ins per game (only played 7 games)
7). Dustin Fry C (6-25/8 314 5.19)
7). Andrew Carnahan RT 6-7 306 5.15)
7). Tyler Ecker TE (6-6 250)

I would make a trade offer to NO Keith Davis for Rob Petitti to force Colombo to sign.

TNewFan41
03-09-2007, 02:15 PM
No offense, and I quote D-Unit:

I would puke at that draft.

nrcirc
03-09-2007, 02:25 PM
No offense, and I quote D-Unit:

I would puke at that draft.

Really. You better stop eating what D gave you, otherwise sooner or later people will call D Jr.

Tell me why my draft is so bad.

thule
03-09-2007, 02:29 PM
Really. You better stop eating what D gave you, otherwise sooner or later people will call D Jr.

Tell me why my draft is so bad.
HAHAHA Post of the Day...f'n nrcirc...I love you

D-Unit
03-09-2007, 03:04 PM
1). Robert Meacham WR (6-2 214 4.39)
2). Tim Crowder DE/OLB (6-35/8 272 4.69)
3). Fred Bennett, CB (6-1 196 4.46)
4). John Wendling Safeties (6-11/4 222 4.48)
5). Jacob Ford DE/LB (6-35/8 249 4.65)
6). Paul Soliai NT (6-4 344 5.14)
6). Courtney Brown DB (6-1 3/8, 200 4.32) – Average over 1 ins per game (only played 7 games)
7). Dustin Fry C (6-25/8 314 5.19)
7). Andrew Carnahan RT 6-7 306 5.15)
7). Tyler Ecker TE (6-6 250)

I would make a trade offer to NO Keith Davis for Rob Petitti to force Colombo to sign.
In the end, not a bad draft. Solves a lot of depth needs, but we won't go far in the playoffs IF we even make it. We over pay for Meacham, Crowder is a fine pick, Bennett is great value there, no sense in drafting Wendling or any safety that late as it doesn't provide an upgrade to what we got, don't understand another OLB pick, Soliai is ok, Brown is ok, Fry is ok, Carnahan is a real sleeper...great value, Ecker is ok too (but why the hell did he run out of bounds?!!!!). Overall, not bad. I don't see us resolving our biggest needs there.

KILLERSANTA
03-09-2007, 03:32 PM
I think we need to draft Tank Tyler....

Paul
03-09-2007, 03:43 PM
For Now:

1. Reggie Nelson, S
2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE
3. Kenny Scott, CB
4. Paul Soliai, DT/NT
5. Jacoby Jones, WR
6. Andrew Carnahan, OT
6. Dallas Sartz, OLB
7. Dedrick Harrington, ILB
7. Palauni Ma Sun, OG
7. Lyle Sendlein, C

KILLERSANTA
03-09-2007, 04:33 PM
1. DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler NT
2. Tanard Jackson CB
3. Manuel Ramirez OG
4. LaMarr Woodley OLB.............He will fall....I have a good feeling :)
5. Ken Shackleford OT




Them are no WR's.....Patrick Crayton rocks your face!!!

TNewFan41
03-09-2007, 04:38 PM
For Now:

1. Reggie Nelson, S
2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE
3. Kenny Scott, CB
4. Paul Soliai, DT/NT
5. Jacoby Jones, WR
6. Andrew Carnahan, OT
6. Dallas Sartz, OLB
7. Dedrick Harrington, ILB
7. Palauni Ma Sun, OG
7. Lyle Sendlein, C

I don't really like Kenny Scott, but that is a sweet draft.

Poet3334
03-09-2007, 06:14 PM
I don't really like Kenny Scott, but that is a sweet draft.

Why do you hate Nrcirc's draft so much?

TNewFan41
03-09-2007, 06:44 PM
I like Meachum, but Crowder has really no place on the team, we don't draft an o-lineman till the 7th round, and it is a center, we don't adress FS, Wendling has no chance of being there.

To be honest, they are all just average players. We need some sparks.

Poet3334
03-09-2007, 07:01 PM
I like Meachum, but Crowder has really no place on the team, we don't draft an o-lineman till the 7th round, and it is a center, we don't adress FS, Wendling has no chance of being there.

To be honest, they are all just average players. We need some sparks.

Thanks. Good answer. I like Meachum, and I'd take him if Nelson's gone. I agree with you about Crowder, plus the second round would be way too high for him in my opinion. I think Wendling will be a good player, but he's not the pure cover safety we need.

TNewFan41
03-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Thanks. I would like an o-lineman way before that, and no OLBs in this draft, we already have enough.

If you look at Canty and Crowder, besides Canty being a little taller, they look like clones to me. The way they play, and the way the look, literally. They look like twins to me.

D-Unit
03-09-2007, 07:26 PM
1. DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler NT
2. Tanard Jackson CB
3. Manuel Ramirez OG
4. LaMarr Woodley OLB.............He will fall....I have a good feeling :)
5. Ken Shackleford OT




Them are no WR's.....Patrick Crayton rocks your face!!!
I would take that.

TNewFan41
03-09-2007, 07:32 PM
I though you hated Ramirez?

chrlopez1
03-09-2007, 09:44 PM
1st Merriweather
2nd Steve Smith
3rd Ramirez or Ugoh

What do u think?

Finlayson56
03-09-2007, 10:58 PM
1. DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler NT
2. Tanard Jackson CB
3. Manuel Ramirez OG
4. LaMarr Woodley OLB.............He will fall....I have a good feeling :)
5. Ken Shackleford OT




Them are no WR's.....Patrick Crayton rocks your face!!!

if LaMarr Woodley falls it wont be to the 4 round

thule
03-10-2007, 12:29 AM
I'm gonna start this out with Wade Phillips self-proclaimed draft strategy.
Well most of my philosophy is just 'get me some good players and we'll fit them in.' If we can get some top players, good athletes, smart, good character people, that's what we're looking for. We'll fit them into whatever system we have. We'll change our system if we have to, to get good players and utilize them. It's not that complicated since they've been running the 3-4 and running a lot of the same offense. It'll be similar type people they're looking for, so I think that will help.

1- Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
Reach right? I'm buying into drafting on measurables now. Someone might say but he didn't even play good this year..and was consistantly beat deep. I would say ya but most of those things are coachable. The first round to me is to find yourself a freak...something that you can't find outside of round one. McCauley owned the field last year...you know he has the ability...now for w/e reason his production falled off...maybe it was pressure by the DL...maybe it was the loss of Marshall..either way we've seen this kid perform at a high level. And t 6-foot-1, 198 pounds and running in the high 4.3s, McCauley has uncoachable tools. He makes it look easy at times. He is also durable...hasn't missed a single game in his collegiate career. He has the ability to run stride for stride with anyone in the league...it's the technique that was hindering him this year. Hell his main problem was running with the wr...rather then getting his head turned around. That is coachable. McCauley does have good zone awareness...he excels playing on the line of scrimmage redirecting the WR. You also have to love his effortless hip swivel...he can break on the ball when it is there...and has the long arms/jumping ability to make up for a mistake. He is also a great open field tackler...which is good...since it shows he's not afraid to make the hit. Okay I think that I have made my point on why...so now you ask where does he play? Well looks to me like a Dime Back year one...unless he exceeds expectations. But McCauley can play on all special teams units...he is a former HS running back and returner...he might not have top lateral quickness...but he is shifty enough to be a returner. This is something that I didn't know about him before...that I recently just turned up.
2- Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois
What is one thing I look for when drafting a player outside of the first round? Smarts, Free is exceptional in that area. He was a semifinalist for the National Football Foundation's Draddy Award, honoring combined academic success, football performance and exemplary community service, and received "Halfway All-American" recognition by CBS SportsLine.com at the season's midpoint. He also held a 3.24gpa as an Industrial Technology major...which is something you don't normally see for a player of this caliber. Once again....some people may say reach...but you can quote me in saying...he won't be around for us when our 3rd round pick comes. Sure some will once again say...but he didn't play well this year...but the thing is he struggled to stay healthy all year. He was bothered by a groin pull in fall camp, and then suffered a right foot stress fracture when his leg was stepped on in the season opener vs. Ohio State. He played in the next two games before telling trainers of the injury, and the fracture was then treated. I'm gonna end this pick by quoting his head coach.
Joe Novak - "No question, Doug has the talent to play on Sundays. Knock on wood, I believe he's going to be a first-round draft pick. Doug Free's a lot better athlete than Ryan Diem. (Free) can run! You just don't see many offensive linemen that can run at that size like he can. What's impressive is he'll sit back in pass protection and then we'll throw the ball down the field and he'll run down field and block a safety. I mean, get downfield! You just don't see kids who can do that. He's special. Our kids call him 'Doug Freak' because he runs so well."
3- Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB, Western Michigan
Like I said earlier...I love a player with smarts...so why not draft another academic all american. He was a marketing major with a 3.39 grade-point average, Bazuin was the only student-athlete from the Mid-American Conference to be named to the 2006 Academic All-America football team. Just like Free he was also a national semifinalist for the Draddy Trophy. Now lets get onto the on-the-field production. Bazuin holds the school career records for tackles for loss (60) and sacks (33) and single-season records for tackles for loss (26 1/2) and sacks (16). His 16 sacks in 2005 tied what was then a MAC single-season record. He ranks eighth in MAC history in tackles for loss and fourth in sacks. In high school he was a three sport athlete in football, basketball, and track. So we know he is athletic. Bazuin started every game he played in (47) at Central Michigan, including 38 consecutive at one point. He recorded 261 tackles (132 solos) as he set school career-records with 35 1/2 sacks for minus-268 yards, 63 1/2 stops for losses of 354 yards and 10 forced fumbles. He added seven quarterback pressures with six fumble recoveries, including one that he returned for a touchdown. He deflected nine passes and blocked four kicks.
4- Antonio Johnson, NT, Mississippi State
This is a pick a absolutely love. Johnson really hasn't played much football. He has been around it...but it seems to have taken him awhile to really take it to the next level. In 22 games at Mississippi State, Johnson started five times. He recorded 36 tackles (16 solos) with 2.5 sacks for minus-10 yards, seven stops for losses totaling 20 yards and one quarterback pressure. He recovered two fumbles and blocked a kick. Some people maybe worried about his weight since he is only at about 307 but he has a frame that can carry at least another 15 pounds with no loss in quickness. I could go on and on about him and what he brings to the table. But I'll just say he is a relentless player who has good hands but just needs to be coached up a bit and add some bulk to his frame.
5- Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia
Unfortunately I don't have a huge background on this guy. But I'll just say that I fell in love with him at the combine. He has great quickness in and out of his breaks. He can beat the jam off the line of scrimmage. Is a natural hands catcher...very rarely will you see the ball get into his body. He is one of the top snubs not to go to the combine...had he been there I have a feeling he could have been a day one pick...but luckily for us he is around later. He has above average lateral quickness...and would be another addition in the return game. I really like this kid as a future replacement for Terry Glenn.
6- Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
Decent size and somewhat of a raw prospect...developmental guy at this point.
6- Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
About the right size for a 3-4 DE...don't have much on him...but might be better suited for a 3-4 rather then the 4-3 he was forced to play at OSU.
7- Drew Tate, QB, Iowa
This might just be the pick of the draft. This guy is a player. Great improviser, great smarts, played at a high level all his collegiate career. I honestly think he would be a great backup to Tony Romo for many years. They have similar playing styles...so you don't have to worry about your offense adjusting to a new QB...if for some reason Romo did go down. His main knock is size...but like many people know...it's not all about the size...it's about finding the throwing lanes. I really love this pick and no one will tell me otherwise :P

So there you have it....my draft. Well some might say I reached...but that is honestly how I would draft at this point. Get myself a freak early...smart players throughout the draft...get myself some projects on day 2...and address depth in a couple positions.

Paul
03-10-2007, 12:46 AM
Good picks. But I'm still not sold on CB in the 1st idea everybody has been giving. Doug Free pick I do really like. But the last 3 picks I especially like, Richardson, Bennett and Tate are guys I wouldn't mind having on the team.

thule
03-10-2007, 12:50 AM
I'm gonna start this out with Wade Phillips self-proclaimed draft strategy.
Well most of my philosophy is just 'get me some good players and we'll fit them in.' If we can get some top players, good athletes, smart, good character people, that's what we're looking for. We'll fit them into whatever system we have. We'll change our system if we have to, to get good players and utilize them. It's not that complicated since they've been running the 3-4 and running a lot of the same offense. It'll be similar type people they're looking for, so I think that will help.

1- Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
Reach right? I'm buying into drafting on measurables now. Someone might say but he didn't even play good this year..and was consistantly beat deep. I would say ya but most of those things are coachable. The first round to me is to find yourself a freak...something that you can't find outside of round one. McCauley owned the field last year...you know he has the ability...now for w/e reason his production falled off...maybe it was pressure by the DL...maybe it was the loss of Marshall..either way we've seen this kid perform at a high level. And t 6-foot-1, 198 pounds and running in the high 4.3s, McCauley has uncoachable tools. He makes it look easy at times. He is also durable...hasn't missed a single game in his collegiate career. He has the ability to run stride for stride with anyone in the league...it's the technique that was hindering him this year. Hell his main problem was running with the wr...rather then getting his head turned around. That is coachable. McCauley does have good zone awareness...he excels playing on the line of scrimmage redirecting the WR. You also have to love his effortless hip swivel...he can break on the ball when it is there...and has the long arms/jumping ability to make up for a mistake. He is also a great open field tackler...which is good...since it shows he's not afraid to make the hit. Okay I think that I have made my point on why...so now you ask where does he play? Well looks to me like a Dime Back year one...unless he exceeds expectations. But McCauley can play on all special teams units...he is a former HS running back and returner...he might not have top lateral quickness...but he is shifty enough to be a returner. This is something that I didn't know about him before...that I recently just turned up.
2- Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois
What is one thing I look for when drafting a player outside of the first round? Smarts, Free is exceptional in that area. He was a semifinalist for the National Football Foundation's Draddy Award, honoring combined academic success, football performance and exemplary community service, and received "Halfway All-American" recognition by CBS SportsLine.com at the season's midpoint. He also held a 3.24gpa as an Industrial Technology major...which is something you don't normally see for a player of this caliber. Once again....some people may say reach...but you can quote me in saying...he won't be around for us when our 3rd round pick comes. Sure some will once again say...but he didn't play well this year...but the thing is he struggled to stay healthy all year. He was bothered by a groin pull in fall camp, and then suffered a right foot stress fracture when his leg was stepped on in the season opener vs. Ohio State. He played in the next two games before telling trainers of the injury, and the fracture was then treated. I'm gonna end this pick by quoting his head coach.
Joe Novak - "No question, Doug has the talent to play on Sundays. Knock on wood, I believe he's going to be a first-round draft pick. Doug Free's a lot better athlete than Ryan Diem. (Free) can run! You just don't see many offensive linemen that can run at that size like he can. What's impressive is he'll sit back in pass protection and then we'll throw the ball down the field and he'll run down field and block a safety. I mean, get downfield! You just don't see kids who can do that. He's special. Our kids call him 'Doug Freak' because he runs so well."
3- Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB, Western Michigan
Like I said earlier...I love a player with smarts...so why not draft another academic all american. He was a marketing major with a 3.39 grade-point average, Bazuin was the only student-athlete from the Mid-American Conference to be named to the 2006 Academic All-America football team. Just like Free he was also a national semifinalist for the Draddy Trophy. Now lets get onto the on-the-field production. Bazuin holds the school career records for tackles for loss (60) and sacks (33) and single-season records for tackles for loss (26 1/2) and sacks (16). His 16 sacks in 2005 tied what was then a MAC single-season record. He ranks eighth in MAC history in tackles for loss and fourth in sacks. In high school he was a three sport athlete in football, basketball, and track. So we know he is athletic. Bazuin started every game he played in (47) at Central Michigan, including 38 consecutive at one point. He recorded 261 tackles (132 solos) as he set school career-records with 35 1/2 sacks for minus-268 yards, 63 1/2 stops for losses of 354 yards and 10 forced fumbles. He added seven quarterback pressures with six fumble recoveries, including one that he returned for a touchdown. He deflected nine passes and blocked four kicks.
4- Antonio Johnson, NT, Mississippi State
This is a pick a absolutely love. Johnson really hasn't played much football. He has been around it...but it seems to have taken him awhile to really take it to the next level. In 22 games at Mississippi State, Johnson started five times. He recorded 36 tackles (16 solos) with 2.5 sacks for minus-10 yards, seven stops for losses totaling 20 yards and one quarterback pressure. He recovered two fumbles and blocked a kick. Some people maybe worried about his weight since he is only at about 307 but he has a frame that can carry at least another 15 pounds with no loss in quickness. I could go on and on about him and what he brings to the table. But I'll just say he is a relentless player who has good hands but just needs to be coached up a bit and add some bulk to his frame.
5- Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia
Unfortunately I don't have a huge background on this guy. But I'll just say that I fell in love with him at the combine. He has great quickness in and out of his breaks. He can beat the jam off the line of scrimmage. Is a natural hands catcher...very rarely will you see the ball get into his body. He is one of the top snubs not to go to the combine...had he been there I have a feeling he could have been a day one pick...but luckily for us he is around later. He has above average lateral quickness...and would be another addition in the return game. I really like this kid as a future replacement for Terry Glenn.
6- Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
Decent size and somewhat of a raw prospect...developmental guy at this point.
6- Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
About the right size for a 3-4 DE...don't have much on him...but might be better suited for a 3-4 rather then the 4-3 he was forced to play at OSU.
7- Drew Tate, QB, Iowa
This might just be the pick of the draft. This guy is a player. Great improviser, great smarts, played at a high level all his collegiate career. I honestly think he would be a great backup to Tony Romo for many years. They have similar playing styles...so you don't have to worry about your offense adjusting to a new QB...if for some reason Romo did go down. His main knock is size...but like many people know...it's not all about the size...it's about finding the throwing lanes. I really love this pick and no one will tell me otherwise :P

So there you have it....my draft. Well some might say I reached...but that is honestly how I would draft at this point. Get myself a freak early...smart players throughout the draft...get myself some projects on day 2...and address depth in a couple positions.

Good picks. But I'm still not sold on CB in the 1st idea everybody has been giving. Doug Free pick I do really like. But the last 3 picks I especially like, Richardson, Bennett and Tate are guys I wouldn't mind having on the team.

Well I'm not so much sold on CB...I think you can get one anywhere on the first day. I just went with the best talent available. I mean obviously a guy like Carriker or Ginn or another freak of nature would be nice...but we just aren't in position to land guys like that. Gonna have to dig a bit.

Modano
03-10-2007, 01:38 AM
If we go WR I want a top WR. We have 3 late round/udfa wrs, we don't need another. I want us to go WR in round 1 or 2 to develop a true number one under TO and Glenn. Miles, Hurd, Crayton.. they are great number 3 guys, they maybe coul turn in good number 2, but they can't be your primary target. TO and Glenn are over 32, this draft is fill with great receveirs, so we are in perfect position to pick a guy for the future and let him learn under our wideouts. Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis Sidney Rice or Jason Hill are my choice.
The other pick in the first two round should be CB or S. In the third round I want an OG or T.

Paul
03-10-2007, 01:56 AM
The only WR I would like to spend a first day pick on would be Allison. #1 WR written all over him. Speed, hands, decent size, and route running needs improving but that's coachable. That would be my choice.

TNewFan41
03-10-2007, 05:56 AM
I like McCauley as well thule. He is a freak. And he is coachable, but we don't need a CB!!!

I like the Doug Free pick.

nrcirc
03-10-2007, 08:13 AM
Thule I really like what you said about size and speed on CB, but somehow drafting McCauley is making me feel Pete Hunter is coming back to Dallas. I world rather use 6th to draft Countney Brown for the same reason. Also, I aganst use the first two rounds to draft any CBs, because value is not their and most of them are under 6 feets.

Go Cowboys
03-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Here is mine. Not written out like THule's which is great might I add.

1) Aaron Ross, CB, Texas-Physical Corner who can play man to man or play zone very well, plus he can return punts.
2) Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina-Future #1 paired with Crayton for years to come.
3) Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois-Great Player who can get the job done.
4) Antonio Johnson, DT, Mississippi State-I have liked him since their first game against SC, he has a great motor and chases the play from behind.
5) Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska-Physical freak who can give pressure around the edge.
6) Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson-Depth Guy
7A) Kevin Payne, S, Louisian Monroe-Har Hitter who gives a lot of effort
7B) RaMonce Taylor, ATH, Texas-Can play anywhere and could be a practice squad guy if nothing else.
7C) Drew Tate, QB, Iowa-Very Underrated and is worth the pick, could develop into a solid backup.

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 03:59 PM
You love Texas guys don't you? No way we pick Ross. First of all, he is old, second of all, we don't need a CB, and third of all, he isn't very good. If we pick a texas guy it should be a trade down and pick either Blalock or Griffin.

Staubach12
03-11-2007, 04:04 PM
1. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii
3. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
4. John Beck, QB, BYU
5. Stanley Doughty, NT, SC
6. Jacob Ford, OLB, Central Arkansas
6. Jake Kuresa, G, BYU
7. Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona St
7. IDC
7. IDC

thule
03-11-2007, 04:07 PM
You love Texas guys don't you? No way we pick Ross. First of all, he is old, second of all, we don't need a CB, and third of all, he isn't very good. If we pick a texas guy it should be a trade down and pick either Blalock or Griffin.

I guess he didn't win the thorpe award this year for best corner in the country. But I guess you know more then everyone else.

Modano
03-11-2007, 04:21 PM
You love Texas guys don't you? No way we pick Ross. First of all, he is old, second of all, we don't need a CB, and third of all, he isn't very good. If we pick a texas guy it should be a trade down and pick either Blalock or Griffin.

- Terence Newman was "old" too
- We do need a CB. Evene if Henry stays at CB is gonna be 32, and Glenn will not be back with the team in 2008. So we need depth and someone who can replace one of our starters if he go down due to injuries
- He kinda win the award for the top DB in college football last year.

Poet3334
03-11-2007, 05:05 PM
Love the Bazuin pick Thule. I think that is gonna happen probably 3rd or 4th round.

Poet3334
03-11-2007, 05:17 PM
1st) Reggie Nelson, S
2nd) Anthony Gonzales, WR
3rd) Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB
4th) Manuel Ramirez, G
5th) Paul Soliai, DT
6th) Travarous Bain, CB
6th) Stephon Heyer, T
7th) Tony Collins, Dt
7th) BPA
7th) BPA

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 05:52 PM
- Terence Newman was "old" too
- We do need a CB. Evene if Henry stays at CB is gonna be 32, and Glenn will not be back with the team in 2008. So we need depth and someone who can replace one of our starters if he go down due to injuries
- He kinda win the award for the top DB in college football last year.

We got lucky with Newman, I don't want an old guy again.

bigmac076
03-12-2007, 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TNewFan41 http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=209850#post209850)
You love Texas guys don't you? No way we pick Ross. First of all, he is old, second of all, we don't need a CB, and third of all, he isn't very good. If we pick a texas guy it should be a trade down and pick either Blalock or Griffin.

I guess he didn't win the thorpe award this year for best corner in the country. But I guess you know more then everyone else.

you didn't know that TNew is the ulimate Cowboys master?!?!?! Shame on you thule!

LonghornsLegend
03-12-2007, 02:42 AM
i just like the safety pick first rd whoever it is, i feel like that was the position we needed to adress the most outside of o line, and we picked up some lineman

D-Unit
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
Newbies... take a lesson from thule. Now there is a mock draft post from an NFLDC Cowboys fan pioneer. That's how we used to roll. That's what made coming to the Cowboys thread so golden in the past. That's what made us family. Too many of you guys lack the same passion. Simply listing a mock and expecting any credability or thoughtful response back is hogwash. Thule has thoughtfully put together a mock that he believes in and should he hit on a few, he builds his reputability. The rest of you are forgetful.

TNewFan41
03-12-2007, 06:22 AM
you didn't know that TNew is the ulimate Cowboys master?!?!?! Shame on you thule!

Thorpe Award Shope award, It close to nothing. It is just like the heisman. Troy Smith isn't even CLOSE to the best player in college football, yet he won it.

Anyway, the Thorpe Award is best DB, not CB. And LaRon Landy, Reggie Nelson, Chris Houston, Leon Hall, and Darrell Revis are all better, to name a few.

TNewFan41
03-12-2007, 07:00 AM
Fine, here is a quality mock:

Round 1- Reggie Nelson, Safety, University of Florida

Nelson fits our biggest, and pretty much only need. He is a ball-hawking, agressive centerfielder, who would look absolutely terrific next to Roy Williams. This kid has the potential and talent to be the next Ed Reed. He is alittle skinny, but he can easily bulk up with an NFL Trainer. Although, he is not afraid to lay the wood at all. He only has 1 1/2 years of D1 experience because he was a Juco transfer, but he is definitly worth this pick anyway.

Round 2- DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, NT, N.C. State

We finally get our future NT. For his size, he also has above average quickness and athletisicm. As Fergy is getting older, you can tell we need someone to spell him, and a future replacement. Tank can definitly be that guy. He can turn out to be a great player, he just needs to stay focused.

Round 3- Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech

We add some quality depth to O-Line with this pick. Will be a future starter, and possible pro-bowler. He is in the mold of a Larry Allen. Not saying he will be as good, but e is definitly in the mold of him. He can bench 550 pounds, a texas tech school record. He will need some time to adjust because he played in Mike Leech's crazy 3 foot split passing offense at texas tech, but once he does, it will be worth it.

Round 4- Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennesee

I really liek this kid. We may be lucky to get him here, because he may very well be gone. He is fast, strong, and very agressive. He is one of the most underrated prospects in this draft IMO. He could be a great #2 CB, if not a solid #1 some time down the road. Could step in and be our #3 if Aaron Glenn retires or suddenly hits a wall.

What do you guys think?

JJJ888
03-12-2007, 12:02 PM
I actually have to say that I like it.

Ward
03-12-2007, 01:20 PM
Newbies... take a lesson from thule. Now there is a mock draft post from an NFLDC Cowboys fan pioneer. That's how we used to roll. That's what made coming to the Cowboys thread so golden in the past. That's what made us family. Too many of you guys lack the same passion. Simply listing a mock and expecting any credability or thoughtful response back is hogwash. Thule has thoughtfully put together a mock that he believes in and should he hit on a few, he builds his reputability. The rest of you are forgetful.

thule is still posting like he's hungry, even though he really doesn't have to. He could just post those names without explaining, but he still wants to have some pride. Some of you new guys are posting like you draw water around here, and you don't. Everyone take notes when thule posts, he's doing it right.

Macarthur
03-12-2007, 01:33 PM
Fine, here is a quality mock:

Round 1- Reggie Nelson, Safety, University of Florida

Nelson fits our biggest, and pretty much only need. He is a ball-hawking, agressive centerfielder, who would look absolutely terrific next to Roy Williams. This kid has the potential and talent to be the next Ed Reed. He is alittle skinny, but he can easily bulk up with an NFL Trainer. Although, he is not afraid to lay the wood at all. He only has 1 1/2 years of D1 experience because he was a Juco transfer, but he is definitly worth this pick anyway.

Round 2- DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, NT, N.C. State

We finally get our future NT. For his size, he also has above average quickness and athletisicm. As Fergy is getting older, you can tell we need someone to spell him, and a future replacement. Tank can definitly be that guy. He can turn out to be a great player, he just needs to stay focused.

Round 3- Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech

We add some quality depth to O-Line with this pick. Will be a future starter, and possible pro-bowler. He is in the mold of a Larry Allen. Not saying he will be as good, but e is definitly in the mold of him. He can bench 550 pounds, a texas tech school record. He will need some time to adjust because he played in Mike Leech's crazy 3 foot split passing offense at texas tech, but once he does, it will be worth it.

Round 4- Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennesee

I really liek this kid. We may be lucky to get him here, because he may very well be gone. He is fast, strong, and very agressive. He is one of the most underrated prospects in this draft IMO. He could be a great #2 CB, if not a solid #1 some time down the road. Could step in and be our #3 if Aaron Glenn retires or suddenly hits a wall.

What do you guys think?


I sure would like to see a WR somewhere in the 3rd or 4th. Allison or Higgins would suit me nicely.

TNewFan41
03-12-2007, 01:33 PM
I actually have to say that I like it.

Why thank you.

Poet3334
03-12-2007, 01:56 PM
Newbies... take a lesson from thule. Now there is a mock draft post from an NFLDC Cowboys fan pioneer. That's how we used to roll. That's what made coming to the Cowboys thread so golden in the past. That's what made us family. Too many of you guys lack the same passion. Simply listing a mock and expecting any credability or thoughtful response back is hogwash. Thule has thoughtfully put together a mock that he believes in and should he hit on a few, he builds his reputability. The rest of you are forgetful.

Don't denigrate other folks work simply because you feel they haven't put any effort into it. That's a little silly to me.

D-Unit
03-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Don't denigrate other folks work simply because you feel they haven't put any effort into it. That's a little silly to me.
Eh.. You reap what you sow.

I'll remember what thule posted. Did you post anything yet?

Poet3334
03-12-2007, 04:03 PM
Eh.. You reap what you sow.

I'll remember what thule posted. Did you post anything yet?

HA. I don't think I need you to remember anything I do. I don't think it's that deep. To each his own.

TNewFan41
03-12-2007, 04:05 PM
D, lets see your full mock, with in depth analysis.

bigmac076
03-12-2007, 04:08 PM
D, lets see your full mock, with in depth analysis.
*grabs popcorn*

TNewFan41
03-12-2007, 04:12 PM
*grabs popcorn*

And some beer.

Go Cowboys
03-12-2007, 06:48 PM
You love Texas guys don't you? No way we pick Ross. First of all, he is old, second of all, we don't need a CB, and third of all, he isn't very good. If we pick a texas guy it should be a trade down and pick either Blalock or Griffin.
WTF? I picked one Texas guy and that means I love Texas guys when im a Hurricane fan? It is our best draft in my eyes. Ross is old? WTF does that have to do with it? Newman was old and was the #5 pick learn what you are talking about before you just say it was a bad mock

Staubach12
03-12-2007, 08:56 PM
Newbies... take a lesson from thule. Now there is a mock draft post from an NFLDC Cowboys fan pioneer. That's how we used to roll. That's what made coming to the Cowboys thread so golden in the past. That's what made us family. Too many of you guys lack the same passion. Simply listing a mock and expecting any credability or thoughtful response back is hogwash. Thule has thoughtfully put together a mock that he believes in and should he hit on a few, he builds his reputability. The rest of you are forgetful.

Fine, fine. I've got time now, anyway.

1. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU

I think with the team high on Watkins as our future for FS, I think we look toward the future. Also, with BP out, Jones will be back in power with the draft. All this being said, we'll look toward WR with this first pick. We're currently searching for that future #1, so why not go with the guy that's almost exactly like TO without the attitude. He's big, physical, and plays tough. Bowe gives us a #3 immediately with the (expected) loss of Patrick Crayton. Then, in several years, Bowe can take over as our #1. Once again, this is not a FS because of the teams hopes for Watkins.

2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii

Upon losing Kenyon Coleman, a bit more depth and rotation may be needed at DE. The biggest need is a good pass rusher at that position. Alama-Francis can rush the passer quite well as a 3-4 DE. I like the comparison to Luis Castillo here, and I think with Wade Phillips' coaching we could come up with a player somewhat like him. Some may say that this is not a round 2 need, but I dissagree. I still think depth on the defensive line is an issue even with Jason Hatcher and Jay Ratliff on board. This is good value in the 2nd, and he'll be a solid rotational player that'll be able to improve the defense quite quickly.

3. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

CB is seen by most of us as a big need as Henry is 32 and and Glenn is 34 a future #3 and possibly #2 is needed. Wade fits the bill perfectly. He's a raqw player who could use some developmental time, and that's exactly what he'll get here. His physical tools are just about perfect. He's silky smooth and plays with intensity and speed. I think that with his potential and some good coaching and time, he could be the future #2 here. I consider this a huge steal in the 3rd as he could turn out to be one hell of a player.

4. John Beck, QB, BYU

Beck is in my opinion one of the best QBs in this draft. He'sthe perfect backup to Romo as they share many of the same atributes. He's got a strong arm, great accuracy, a quick release and a gamer mentality. The only negative I see is his age, 26. But still, I believe he could one day be a starter in the league and if he's there in the 4th, he's problably the best player on the board.

5. Stanley Doughty, NT, SC

I didn't see much of SC this year, so my opinion may not be exactly concrete. He most definately has the size and he's stout at the point from what I saw. He is a bit of a risk because he has some problems with work ethic and off the field problems, though I don't see it as a huge problem. I'm intruiged by him but I didn't have the opportunity to see him much.

6. Jacob Ford, OLB, Central Arkansas

Saw him only once so my knowledge is very limited. From what I saw, he has the agility and speed as well as the pass rushing talents to play OLB in the 3-4. This fills a need for a situational pass-rusher when Ellis is gone.

6. Jake Kuresa, G, BYU

Simply a depth pick here. Kuresa is a mountain of a man and he switched from D-line to O-line in his sophomore (I believe) season. He had a good college career and he should be a solid backup, though he doesn't have tons of potential and he isn't going to turn out to be a starter any time son, though it helps our depth on the line.

7. Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona St

Once again, just a depth pick on the line. Carnahan is, like Kuresa, a smart, experienced player that doesn't have tons of potential, but will most likely turn out to be an adiquate backup at best. Nothing special in late rounds.

JJJ888
03-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Staubach, I'm just wondering how you expect to lose Patrick Crayton when he's already been tendered at the 2nd round level. Do you really think someone will give us a 2 for him? Wes Welker was an aberration; I don't think it will happen with Crayton too, especially considering the fact that he's not a premier kick and punt returner.

KILLERSANTA
03-12-2007, 09:46 PM
Staubach, I'm just wondering how you expect to lose Patrick Crayton when he's already been tendered at the 2nd round level. Do you really think someone will give us a 2 for him? Wes Welker was an aberration; I don't think it will happen with Crayton too, especially considering the fact that he's not a premier kick and punt returner.
Crayton is the best WR on dallas(yeah, I said it)..If he goes, I may cry....

JJJ888
03-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Ok just for fun. This probably won't be very realistic in terms of value.

1. Leon Hall--This selection obviously assumes Anthony Henry's move to free safety. Hall, I believe, is the most NFL-ready cornerback in the entire draft, and possibly the only one I would feel comfortable starting opposite Newman in Week One. Hall's size allows him to play physically at the line of scrimmage, a trait that Wade Phillips loves in defensive backs. Furthermore, he has the recovery speed to catch up if he gets beat.

2. Demarcus "Tank" Tyler--The only nose tackle in the draft with the ability to take over in case Jason Ferguson goes down with an injury (outside of Alan Branch). Tyler has the size and ability to play the nose, but concentration has been a problem in the past. With Wade Phillips working to keep him focused, Tyler can become a dominating space-eater in the interior of the Dallas line.

3. Josh Beekman--A good value in the third round (where he'll hardly last too), and a player with the ability to be a solid starter in a couple of years. In the meantime, however, he can provide quality depth along the interior of the offensive line and certainly provide insurance in case either Davis or Kosier goes down, or if Davis doesn't live up to his billing (or contract).

4. Brian Robinson--A defensive end convert who can play the role of pass-rushing linebacker if Greg Ellis does not return full-strength. Certainly a guy with a lot of potential at the position if he can make the transition, and will, at the very least, provide valuable insurance in case Ellis is not healthy for this season.

Just for fun, here's how I'd draft, if I were selecting BPA for the first two rounds, based on Scott's last (somewhat outdated) mock:

22. Patrick Willis
53. Eric Weddle

mtmock
03-12-2007, 10:49 PM
check out my r.1 mock...most of you wont like it but the truth is its a big possibility we get a player of this position if nelson is gone http://mtmock.blogspot.com/

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 02:09 PM
WTF? I picked one Texas guy and that means I love Texas guys when im a Hurricane fan? It is our best draft in my eyes. Ross is old? WTF does that have to do with it? Newman was old and was the #5 pick learn what you are talking about before you just say it was a bad mock

Did I not say We got lucky with Newman?

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 02:11 PM
Fine, fine. I've got time now, anyway.

1. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU

I think with the team high on Watkins as our future for FS, I think we look toward the future. Also, with BP out, Jones will be back in power with the draft. All this being said, we'll look toward WR with this first pick. We're currently searching for that future #1, so why not go with the guy that's almost exactly like TO without the attitude. He's big, physical, and plays tough. Bowe gives us a #3 immediately with the (expected) loss of Patrick Crayton. Then, in several years, Bowe can take over as our #1. Once again, this is not a FS because of the teams hopes for Watkins.

2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii

Upon losing Kenyon Coleman, a bit more depth and rotation may be needed at DE. The biggest need is a good pass rusher at that position. Alama-Francis can rush the passer quite well as a 3-4 DE. I like the comparison to Luis Castillo here, and I think with Wade Phillips' coaching we could come up with a player somewhat like him. Some may say that this is not a round 2 need, but I dissagree. I still think depth on the defensive line is an issue even with Jason Hatcher and Jay Ratliff on board. This is good value in the 2nd, and he'll be a solid rotational player that'll be able to improve the defense quite quickly.

3. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

CB is seen by most of us as a big need as Henry is 32 and and Glenn is 34 a future #3 and possibly #2 is needed. Wade fits the bill perfectly. He's a raqw player who could use some developmental time, and that's exactly what he'll get here. His physical tools are just about perfect. He's silky smooth and plays with intensity and speed. I think that with his potential and some good coaching and time, he could be the future #2 here. I consider this a huge steal in the 3rd as he could turn out to be one hell of a player.

4. John Beck, QB, BYU

Beck is in my opinion one of the best QBs in this draft. He'sthe perfect backup to Romo as they share many of the same atributes. He's got a strong arm, great accuracy, a quick release and a gamer mentality. The only negative I see is his age, 26. But still, I believe he could one day be a starter in the league and if he's there in the 4th, he's problably the best player on the board.

5. Stanley Doughty, NT, SC

I didn't see much of SC this year, so my opinion may not be exactly concrete. He most definately has the size and he's stout at the point from what I saw. He is a bit of a risk because he has some problems with work ethic and off the field problems, though I don't see it as a huge problem. I'm intruiged by him but I didn't have the opportunity to see him much.

6. Jacob Ford, OLB, Central Arkansas

Saw him only once so my knowledge is very limited. From what I saw, he has the agility and speed as well as the pass rushing talents to play OLB in the 3-4. This fills a need for a situational pass-rusher when Ellis is gone.

6. Jake Kuresa, G, BYU

Simply a depth pick here. Kuresa is a mountain of a man and he switched from D-line to O-line in his sophomore (I believe) season. He had a good college career and he should be a solid backup, though he doesn't have tons of potential and he isn't going to turn out to be a starter any time son, though it helps our depth on the line.

7. Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona St

Once again, just a depth pick on the line. Carnahan is, like Kuresa, a smart, experienced player that doesn't have tons of potential, but will most likely turn out to be an adiquate backup at best. Nothing special in late rounds.

Solid mock though. I don't want to sound like such a pefectionist, lol, but if we lose crayton, we will have another 2nd round pick. :)

bigmac076
03-13-2007, 02:35 PM
check out my r.1 mock...most of you wont like it but the truth is its a big possibility we get a player of this position if nelson is gone http://mtmock.blogspot.com/
Not a fan of Jarrett, he seems like a slower Terrell Owens to me.

D-Unit
03-13-2007, 02:38 PM
Fine, fine. I've got time now, anyway.

1. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU

I think with the team high on Watkins as our future for FS, I think we look toward the future. Also, with BP out, Jones will be back in power with the draft. All this being said, we'll look toward WR with this first pick. We're currently searching for that future #1, so why not go with the guy that's almost exactly like TO without the attitude. He's big, physical, and plays tough. Bowe gives us a #3 immediately with the (expected) loss of Patrick Crayton. Then, in several years, Bowe can take over as our #1. Once again, this is not a FS because of the teams hopes for Watkins.

2. Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii

Upon losing Kenyon Coleman, a bit more depth and rotation may be needed at DE. The biggest need is a good pass rusher at that position. Alama-Francis can rush the passer quite well as a 3-4 DE. I like the comparison to Luis Castillo here, and I think with Wade Phillips' coaching we could come up with a player somewhat like him. Some may say that this is not a round 2 need, but I dissagree. I still think depth on the defensive line is an issue even with Jason Hatcher and Jay Ratliff on board. This is good value in the 2nd, and he'll be a solid rotational player that'll be able to improve the defense quite quickly.

3. Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

CB is seen by most of us as a big need as Henry is 32 and and Glenn is 34 a future #3 and possibly #2 is needed. Wade fits the bill perfectly. He's a raqw player who could use some developmental time, and that's exactly what he'll get here. His physical tools are just about perfect. He's silky smooth and plays with intensity and speed. I think that with his potential and some good coaching and time, he could be the future #2 here. I consider this a huge steal in the 3rd as he could turn out to be one hell of a player.

4. John Beck, QB, BYU

Beck is in my opinion one of the best QBs in this draft. He'sthe perfect backup to Romo as they share many of the same atributes. He's got a strong arm, great accuracy, a quick release and a gamer mentality. The only negative I see is his age, 26. But still, I believe he could one day be a starter in the league and if he's there in the 4th, he's problably the best player on the board.

5. Stanley Doughty, NT, SC

I didn't see much of SC this year, so my opinion may not be exactly concrete. He most definately has the size and he's stout at the point from what I saw. He is a bit of a risk because he has some problems with work ethic and off the field problems, though I don't see it as a huge problem. I'm intruiged by him but I didn't have the opportunity to see him much.

6. Jacob Ford, OLB, Central Arkansas

Saw him only once so my knowledge is very limited. From what I saw, he has the agility and speed as well as the pass rushing talents to play OLB in the 3-4. This fills a need for a situational pass-rusher when Ellis is gone.

6. Jake Kuresa, G, BYU

Simply a depth pick here. Kuresa is a mountain of a man and he switched from D-line to O-line in his sophomore (I believe) season. He had a good college career and he should be a solid backup, though he doesn't have tons of potential and he isn't going to turn out to be a starter any time son, though it helps our depth on the line.

7. Andrew Carnahan, OT, Arizona St

Once again, just a depth pick on the line. Carnahan is, like Kuresa, a smart, experienced player that doesn't have tons of potential, but will most likely turn out to be an adiquate backup at best. Nothing special in late rounds.
While I like how you've addressed some of our needs on the team, especially because I think the players you've selected will have a high probability of being there when we're on the clock... I can't really say I love it because you didn't address the FS position. As you know, I don't value WRs that high, but that's just one man's opinion. I can respect your opinion as well, though I highly disagree with it. I understand your concern at DE as well, but I think 2nd Round is too high to consider it that big of a need. Wade is a solid 3rd Round pick. The rest of the draft is good too.

D-Unit
03-13-2007, 02:46 PM
Ok just for fun. This probably won't be very realistic in terms of value.

1. Leon Hall--This selection obviously assumes Anthony Henry's move to free safety. Hall, I believe, is the most NFL-ready cornerback in the entire draft, and possibly the only one I would feel comfortable starting opposite Newman in Week One. Hall's size allows him to play physically at the line of scrimmage, a trait that Wade Phillips loves in defensive backs. Furthermore, he has the recovery speed to catch up if he gets beat.

2. Demarcus "Tank" Tyler--The only nose tackle in the draft with the ability to take over in case Jason Ferguson goes down with an injury (outside of Alan Branch). Tyler has the size and ability to play the nose, but concentration has been a problem in the past. With Wade Phillips working to keep him focused, Tyler can become a dominating space-eater in the interior of the Dallas line.

3. Josh Beekman--A good value in the third round (where he'll hardly last too), and a player with the ability to be a solid starter in a couple of years. In the meantime, however, he can provide quality depth along the interior of the offensive line and certainly provide insurance in case either Davis or Kosier goes down, or if Davis doesn't live up to his billing (or contract).

4. Brian Robinson--A defensive end convert who can play the role of pass-rushing linebacker if Greg Ellis does not return full-strength. Certainly a guy with a lot of potential at the position if he can make the transition, and will, at the very least, provide valuable insurance in case Ellis is not healthy for this season.

Just for fun, here's how I'd draft, if I were selecting BPA for the first two rounds, based on Scott's last (somewhat outdated) mock:

22. Patrick Willis
53. Eric Weddle
You're right... It's not very realistic. HAHAHA!

I don't know... Hall never impressed me this past season when I watched Michigan play. He's small and compact which is not bad at all, but I don't think that he fits the mold of a Wade Phillilps CB. Wade seems to prefer bigger CBs that are lean, athletic and physical. Think Anthony Henry.

I also have my doubts that Tyler will last that long in the draft. I'd give it a 5% chance he's there.

Beekman at this point is a Day 2 selection. He's coming off a poor SB and Combine. His stock is dropping and I don't necessarily agree with his fit on our line. I think he'd be better in a zone blocking scheme.

Robison is fine in the 4th, but many are starting to see him as a Day 1 pick after his tremendous combine display.

nrcirc
03-13-2007, 02:58 PM
Mel Kiper new mock have us bypass Nelson and select Robert Meachem.

" 22. Dallas - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee: Not only did Meachem produce big results as a junior in 2006 (71 catches for an 18.3 yard average and 11 TD's), but he also turned heads at the Combine with his 4.39 clocking at 6-2, 214 pounds. The addition of such a talented young wideout would be a huge benefit to the Cowboys.

23. Kansas City - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas: This is a need area for the Chiefs and several CB's figure to be intriguing as this point on round one. That group includes Houston, Pitt's Darrelle Revis, Texas's Aaron Ross, and UNLV's Eric Wright. I gave the edge to Houston because of the fact he ran in the 4.3's at the Combine and proved to be one of the stronger players pound for pound in the draft (27 reps).

24. New England (from Seattle) - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss: Production, production, production, that's what you harp on with Willis. This kid finished just about every game, including the Senior Bowl, with 13+ tackles. Then came the Combine Meeting, where he ran an amazing 4.51 at 242 pounds and also came through with a 39" vertical jump.

25. New York Jets - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh: Good, solid football player with the size (5-11½, 205) you look for and a ton of athleticism. Had he produced as many big plays this past season as he did as a sophomore, you may have been looking at a top 15 pick.

26. Philadelphia - Steve Smith, WR, USC: Prior to the Combine Workout, I projected Smith as a mid second round draft choice. However, after posting a 40 time of 4.45, the days of viewing Smith as just a compimentary No. 2 wideout may have come to an end.

27. New Orleans - Aaron Ross, CB, Texas: Tough, aggressive football player who also brings excellent ball skills to the CB spot. He'd be a nice addition to the Saints deep patrol. If you are looking for a potential surprise pick in the later portion of round one, UNLV's talented CB Eric Wright could be the guy. The former USC Trojan ran in the 4.3's at the Combine and has a great deal of ability.

28. New England - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida: Nelson brings a great deal of versatility to the defensive secondary, as well as demonstrating in the SEC with the National Champion Gators that he is a proven play-maker. He can cover a lot of ground and will hit like you expect from a safety. "

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 03:50 PM
Mel Kiper new mock have us bypass Nelson and select Robert Meachem.

" 22. Dallas - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee: Not only did Meachem produce big results as a junior in 2006 (71 catches for an 18.3 yard average and 11 TD's), but he also turned heads at the Combine with his 4.39 clocking at 6-2, 214 pounds. The addition of such a talented young wideout would be a huge benefit to the Cowboys.

23. Kansas City - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas: This is a need area for the Chiefs and several CB's figure to be intriguing as this point on round one. That group includes Houston, Pitt's Darrelle Revis, Texas's Aaron Ross, and UNLV's Eric Wright. I gave the edge to Houston because of the fact he ran in the 4.3's at the Combine and proved to be one of the stronger players pound for pound in the draft (27 reps).

24. New England (from Seattle) - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss: Production, production, production, that's what you harp on with Willis. This kid finished just about every game, including the Senior Bowl, with 13+ tackles. Then came the Combine Meeting, where he ran an amazing 4.51 at 242 pounds and also came through with a 39" vertical jump.

25. New York Jets - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh: Good, solid football player with the size (5-11½, 205) you look for and a ton of athleticism. Had he produced as many big plays this past season as he did as a sophomore, you may have been looking at a top 15 pick.

26. Philadelphia - Steve Smith, WR, USC: Prior to the Combine Workout, I projected Smith as a mid second round draft choice. However, after posting a 40 time of 4.45, the days of viewing Smith as just a compimentary No. 2 wideout may have come to an end.

27. New Orleans - Aaron Ross, CB, Texas: Tough, aggressive football player who also brings excellent ball skills to the CB spot. He'd be a nice addition to the Saints deep patrol. If you are looking for a potential surprise pick in the later portion of round one, UNLV's talented CB Eric Wright could be the guy. The former USC Trojan ran in the 4.3's at the Combine and has a great deal of ability.

28. New England - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida: Nelson brings a great deal of versatility to the defensive secondary, as well as demonstrating in the SEC with the National Champion Gators that he is a proven play-maker. He can cover a lot of ground and will hit like you expect from a safety. "

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!

This is why ESPN sucks and is a joke.

JJJ888
03-13-2007, 04:48 PM
You're right... It's not very realistic. HAHAHA!

I don't know... Hall never impressed me this past season when I watched Michigan play. He's small and compact which is not bad at all, but I don't think that he fits the mold of a Wade Phillilps CB. Wade seems to prefer bigger CBs that are lean, athletic and physical. Think Anthony Henry.

I also have my doubts that Tyler will last that long in the draft. I'd give it a 5% chance he's there.

Beekman at this point is a Day 2 selection. He's coming off a poor SB and Combine. His stock is dropping and I don't necessarily agree with his fit on our line. I think he'd be better in a zone blocking scheme.

Robison is fine in the 4th, but many are starting to see him as a Day 1 pick after his tremendous combine display.

Yep...I was basically going with the best player with a very very very slight chance of falling to us at the position where we are selecting...these mock drafts aren't very realistic any ways, so I decided to be big on the idealist.

leroyisgod
03-13-2007, 04:53 PM
Hasn't it been reported that both Stephen and Jerry have stated that they're not looking to draft or sign any FS's? If so, why does everyone continue to jump on the FS bandwagon saying we need to sign one?

mtmock
03-13-2007, 05:11 PM
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!

This is why ESPN sucks and is a joke.

yup the world wide leader in sports a joke good thinnking...it has been stated they dont want to bring in a nother high $ FS by both jerry and stephen....not a joke at all like i said dont be shocked if we pick a WR r.1

D-Unit
03-13-2007, 05:42 PM
Hasn't it been reported that both Stephen and Jerry have stated that they're not looking to draft or sign any FS's? If so, why does everyone continue to jump on the FS bandwagon saying we need to sign one?
I'm just speaking for myself, but if Jerry is shouting to the world what our draft plans are, he's a bigger idiot than I thought. I'm calling this BS. I hope we take Nelson if he is there. If not, I really don't care what our pick is.

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 07:09 PM
yup the world wide leader in sports a joke good thinnking...it has been stated they dont want to bring in a nother high $ FS by both jerry and stephen....not a joke at all like i said dont be shocked if we pick a WR r.1

LMAO!!! THe wolrdwide leader in sports, LMFAO!!!!

I don't care if t hey are the worldwide leader in sports, they suck. They are horrible. SportsCenter is a joke.

Fans like you is what puts ESPN in business. You actually listen you their crappy analysis? lol.

Oh and D-Unit, we are still awaiting your mock.

mtmock
03-13-2007, 07:20 PM
LMAO!!! THe wolrdwide leader in sports, LMFAO!!!!

I don't care if t hey are the worldwide leader in sports, they suck. They are horrible. SportsCenter is a joke.

Fans like you is what puts ESPN in business. You actually listen you their crappy analysis? lol.

Oh and D-Unit, we are still awaiting your mock.
so youre better than all of their college graduates who all they do all day is interview and find inside info on sports...youre not even as good as their worst analyst...what makes you more credible than them...your ignorance or lack of intelligence?

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 07:30 PM
so youre better than all of their college graduates who all they do all day is interview and find inside info on sports...youre not even as good as their worst analyst...what makes you more credible than them...your ignorance or lack of intelligence?

I never said I was, but I sure as hell don't listen to them.

Are you serious? You think Sean Sealsbary and Mark Schlerith no anything special? Please. ESPN is a joke. The only thing they are good for are stats.

You watch SportsCenter everyday, and trust what they say? LOL.

For example, say the MNF crew is covering a bears game, and Rex Grossman threw 2 picks in the first half. THen Mike Terrico or Joe Theisman says "If the Bears want to win this game, Rex Grossman is going to half to play better". No, really?

ESPN is a joke.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 07:40 PM
LMAO!!! THe wolrdwide leader in sports, LMFAO!!!!

I don't care if t hey are the worldwide leader in sports, they suck. They are horrible. SportsCenter is a joke.

Fans like you is what puts ESPN in business. You actually listen you their crappy analysis? lol.

Oh and D-Unit, we are still awaiting your mock.ALL HAIL TERRENCE NEWMAN, savior of the human race. ALL HAIL TERRENCE NEWMAN, KING OF ALL ATHLETES.

TNewFan41
03-13-2007, 07:42 PM
All hail the GIants, who suck, get out of here you ******.

D-Unit
03-14-2007, 08:26 PM
Bust the popcorn out folks, it's TIME! Here are my projections.

Day 1

1. DB Aaron Ross, Texas - First thing you might say is, "D-Unit, you've been hating on first round CB selections big time!" Well, this is not the "D-Unit Draft Wish List" is it... I think that Aaron Ross will be the Cowboys pick. There, I said it.

Reasons:
- I believe Reggie Nelson will be off the board.
- Ross fits the value here.
- Ross is another Thorpe Award winner to join previous winners in Roy Williams and Terance Newman (haha... just a cute reason).
- Most important reason: Ross has the ability to play Safety and this option of moving him to FS actually has some substance to it. I think should we draft him, that he'll start off competing at FS to get playing time. If he embraces that role, it could be his. If not, he could easily take over at CB in case of injury or down the line. This is like a kill 2 birds with 1 stone pick as he could either provide CB depth or start at FS.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=15&change_well_id=17&member_id=77

Other Hopefuls: Reggie Nelson, Levi Brown, Jarvis Moss


2. - WR Craig "Buster" Davis, LSU - Davis has a good combination of size, speed and athleticism for a WR. He runs outstanding routes and has very good hands. At times this season he outperformed his more highly touted teammate, Dwayne Bowe. Like most LSU wideouts, he is an above-average blocker and is willing to do the dirty work to help his teammates. Davis can beat press coverage with his speed, quickness, and a variety of fakes and jukes. He's a legitimate deep threat and works the sidelines very well. Davis also started returning punts as a senior and took his very first one 77 yards for a TD.

Davis should fit in well in Dallas as he doesn't seem to be the type to crave attention. He allowed Bowe and Doucet to grab all the headlines at LSU, as he simply put on his hard hat and went to work. Meshing in and learning from TO and Glenn should prepare him for the #1 role when it becomes his time to shine. I love that he blocks and excels on special teams... goes to show what an all around game he has.

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=174964&Q_SEASON=2006

Other Hopefuls: DeMarcus Tyler, Ben Grubbs, Justin Blalock, Victor Abiamiri, Anthony Spencer


3. OT Doug Free, Northern Illinois - The Future at LT. Two-time All-Mid-Am pick (2004-05). Heads into senior campaign with an active string of 36 consecutive starts (34 at LT and two at TE) and 156 knockdown blocks in 2,287 career snaps (2003-05). Serious 2007 National Football League draft material. All-America candidate with unique combination of athleticism, quick feet, and work ethic. Nicknamed by Northern Illinois teammates as "Doug Freak" for athleticism (:05.0 speed, 29-inch vertical jump, and 565-pound squat lift. Coach Joe Novak says Free could play TE in the NFL. Anchored rock-solid Northern Illinois O-line that blocked for nation's No. 16 major-college rushing attack (206.7 yards-per-game average) and total offense (441.1 ypg.) last season and paved the way for 1,000-yard rushers such as All-America tailbacks Michael "The Burner" Turner and Garrett Wolfe.

Flozell being in the last year of his contract makes this pick an important one. We may even have to reach in Round 2 for him and find a WR in Round 3. Free is one of the more underrated prospects in this draft, but he has all the tools to make a successful NFL career.

http://niuhuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/free_doug00.html

Other Hopefuls: James Marten, Dan Bazuin, Steve Smith, Fred Bennett, Desmond Bishop

Day 2

4. S Will Gulley, Houston - At 6-3, 219, he has awesome size for a safety. He hits hard, wraps up the ball carrier. Emotional. Big play type. Has a knack for the forced fumble. Good hands (former receiver) who high points the interception. Has been very productive when healthy. Versatile enough to play FS or SS.

Will Gulley is a NASTY safety for the Houston Cougars who is better than half the safeties who were invited to Indianapolis. This kid has all-Pro potential in terms of his measurables, production, personal makeup and maturity. Will had 175 tackles, 6 FFs, 8 ints, 13 PBUs and 8 TFLs in two years of starting for the University of Houston before a serious knee injury forced him to miss the tail end of the '04 campaign, and all of the '05 season. As a result, he fell off a lot of radar screens. He returned with a vengeance in '06, putting up 105 tackles, 5 ints., 7 PBUs, 2 FRs and 2 FFs (first on the team in tackles, ints and FRs.)

This kid is legit and I'm waiting for his Pro Day to see what his timed speed is. If it is in the 4.5 range, he might not make it this far. The fact that he can play either safety position adds value as he can back up Roy if the fight for that FS spot doesn't work out. Or he can be the back up at FS and Watkins can back up Roy.

http://uhcougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gulley_will00.html


5. OLB - Melila Purcell, Hawaii- Good size. Great motor. A player who was very, very good in 2004 before injuries started to take their toll. Came back with a very, very solid senior season. 15.5 TFL, 10.5 Sacks, 16 QBH, 4 FF... Naturally strong and quick. Can dominate when healthy. Holds the point of attack well. Great size potential. Natural pass rusher who just keeps coming. Solid against the run. Excellent leaper who gets in passing lanes and wreaks havoc batting balls down. Very athletic for a man of his size. Plays hurt. Gives you everything he has. Injuries really slowed his progress in '05 and early in '06, and he did not look like half the player he was in the second half over the first few games of '06. Played with a huge thigh wrap at times. He will be a guy who the medical report will be more important for than anything else he does the rest of the season or in the post-season. Sky is the limit if he checks out and regains all of his former aggressivness. He doesn't get the rep that Alama-Francis has because he's being graded as an undersized DE... But put him at OLB in the 3-4 and he'll tear it up. My favorite player on the Hawaii Defense and a total maniac on the field. I played basketball against his team and he dunked on us 3 times... He's so athletic it's not funny. He will be a steal for someone if they use him correctly. Wade Phillips would have a field day with him!

http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/Player/player.html?pid=3&aid=12080


6. OL Mike Jones, Iowa - Well coached, 4 year player with a ton of experience as he started as a Freshman. I really like his durability and versatility as he played RT, LT and both Guard positions. Was named a Freshman All-American and continued to improve each year. He plays with a consistent mean streak. Absolutely loves contact and usually wins. Well liked by coaches and teammates. Does everything well, but isn't special. Could improve on pass blocking. Has a tendency to play high.You know what you are getting with him and will be a safe pick to eventually come in and contribute. Iowa has good OL breeding grounds.

http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jones_mike00.html


6. NT Louis Leonard, Fresno St. - One of only a handful of true NT candidates in this draft. Almost as big as Gabe Watson, but with a better motor and upside. Very strong and can get even stonger. Can plug a gap with no problem at all against the best collegiate interior O-linemen. A true run stuffer. Has gotten better every year. Boom or bust type. To this point he has not done enough with his physical talents. Motor is pretty good when fresh, but he must be rotated to keep him fresh. Not as much of a factor in rushing the passer or collapsing the pocket as he should be. Needs a move. May not be the most coachable guy around. Needs the right coaches to push the right buttons and he could be a real find...otherwise he might not make it out of training camp.

http://gobulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/leonard_louis00.html


7. FB Deon Anderson, Connecticut - Deon is a solid person who loves the game of football and blocks with a passion, and can also catch and run. Versatility. Not a pure blocking FB, because he catches and runs too well to be stuck with that label, but he excels as a blocker. Comes up and absolutely pops people at the line of scrimmage. Secures the ball and pounds it well when handed to him. Catches very well for a fullback. A well-rounded athlete.

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/MFootball/2007/Bios/anderson.html

leroyisgod
03-14-2007, 09:03 PM
Bust the popcorn out folks, it's TIME! Here are my projections.

Day 1

1. DB Aaron Ross, Texas - First thing you might say is, "D-Unit, you've been hating on first round CB selections big time!" Well, this is not the "D-Unit Draft Wish List" is it... I think that Aaron Ross will be the Cowboys pick. There, I said it.

Reasons:
- I believe Reggie Nelson will be off the board.
- Ross fits the value here.
- Ross is another Thorpe Award winner to join previous winners in Roy Williams and Terance Newman (haha... just a cute reason).
- Most important reason: Ross has the ability to play Safety and this option of moving him to FS actually has some substance to it. I think should we draft him, that he'll start off competing at FS to get playing time. If he embraces that role, it could be his. If not, he could easily take over at CB in case of injury or down the line. This is like a kill 2 birds with 1 stone pick as he could either provide CB depth or start at FS.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=15&change_well_id=17&member_id=77

Other Hopefuls: Reggie Nelson, Levi Brown, Jarvis Moss


2. - WR Craig "Buster" Davis, LSU - Davis has a good combination of size, speed and athleticism for a WR. He runs outstanding routes and has very good hands. At times this season he outperformed his more highly touted teammate, Dwayne Bowe. Like most LSU wideouts, he is an above-average blocker and is willing to do the dirty work to help his teammates. Davis can beat press coverage with his speed, quickness, and a variety of fakes and jukes. He's a legitimate deep threat and works the sidelines very well. Davis also started returning punts as a senior and took his very first one 77 yards for a TD.

Davis should fit in well in Dallas as he doesn't seem to be the type to crave attention. He allowed Bowe and Doucet to grab all the headlines at LSU, as he simply put on his hard hat and went to work. Meshing in and learning from TO and Glenn should prepare him for the #1 role when it becomes his time to shine. I love that he blocks and excels on special teams... goes to show what an all around game he has.

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=174964&Q_SEASON=2006

Other Hopefuls: DeMarcus Tyler, Ben Grubbs, Justin Blalock, Victor Abiamiri, Anthony Spencer


3. OT Doug Free, Northern Illinois - The Future at LT. Two-time All-Mid-Am pick (2004-05). Heads into senior campaign with an active string of 36 consecutive starts (34 at LT and two at TE) and 156 knockdown blocks in 2,287 career snaps (2003-05). Serious 2007 National Football League draft material. All-America candidate with unique combination of athleticism, quick feet, and work ethic. Nicknamed by Northern Illinois teammates as "Doug Freak" for athleticism (:05.0 speed, 29-inch vertical jump, and 565-pound squat lift. Coach Joe Novak says Free could play TE in the NFL. Anchored rock-solid Northern Illinois O-line that blocked for nation's No. 16 major-college rushing attack (206.7 yards-per-game average) and total offense (441.1 ypg.) last season and paved the way for 1,000-yard rushers such as All-America tailbacks Michael "The Burner" Turner and Garrett Wolfe.

Flozell being in the last year of his contract makes this pick an important one. We may even have to reach in Round 2 for him and find a WR in Round 3. Free is one of the more underrated prospects in this draft, but he has all the tools to make a successful NFL career.

http://niuhuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/free_doug00.html

Other Hopefuls: James Marten, Dan Bazuin, Steve Smith, Fred Bennett, Desmond Bishop

Day 2

4. S Will Gulley, Houston - At 6-3, 219, he has awesome size for a safety. He hits hard, wraps up the ball carrier. Emotional. Big play type. Has a knack for the forced fumble. Good hands (former receiver) who high points the interception. Has been very productive when healthy. Versatile enough to play FS or SS.

Will Gulley is a NASTY safety for the Houston Cougars who is better than half the safeties who were invited to Indianapolis. This kid has all-Pro potential in terms of his measurables, production, personal makeup and maturity. Will had 175 tackles, 6 FFs, 8 ints, 13 PBUs and 8 TFLs in two years of starting for the University of Houston before a serious knee injury forced him to miss the tail end of the '04 campaign, and all of the '05 season. As a result, he fell off a lot of radar screens. He returned with a vengeance in '06, putting up 105 tackles, 5 ints., 7 PBUs, 2 FRs and 2 FFs (first on the team in tackles, ints and FRs.)

This kid is legit and I'm waiting for his Pro Day to see what his timed speed is. If it is in the 4.5 range, he might not make it this far. The fact that he can play either safety position adds value as he can back up Roy if the fight for that FS spot doesn't work out. Or he can be the back up at FS and Watkins can back up Roy.

http://uhcougars.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gulley_will00.html


5. OLB - Melila Purcell, Hawaii- Good size. Great motor. A player who was very, very good in 2004 before injuries started to take their toll. Came back with a very, very solid senior season. 15.5 TFL, 10.5 Sacks, 16 QBH, 4 FF... Naturally strong and quick. Can dominate when healthy. Holds the point of attack well. Great size potential. Natural pass rusher who just keeps coming. Solid against the run. Excellent leaper who gets in passing lanes and wreaks havoc batting balls down. Very athletic for a man of his size. Plays hurt. Gives you everything he has. Injuries really slowed his progress in '05 and early in '06, and he did not look like half the player he was in the second half over the first few games of '06. Played with a huge thigh wrap at times. He will be a guy who the medical report will be more important for than anything else he does the rest of the season or in the post-season. Sky is the limit if he checks out and regains all of his former aggressivness. He doesn't get the rep that Alama-Francis has because he's being graded as an undersized DE... But put him at OLB in the 3-4 and he'll tear it up. My favorite player on the Hawaii Defense and a total maniac on the field. I played basketball against his team and he dunked on us 3 times... He's so athletic it's not funny. He will be a steal for someone if they use him correctly. Wade Phillips would have a field day with him!

http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/Player/player.html?pid=3&aid=12080


6. OL Mike Jones, Iowa - Well coached, 4 year player with a ton of experience as he started as a Freshman. I really like his durability and versatility as he played RT, LT and both Guard positions. Was named a Freshman All-American and continued to improve each year. He plays with a consistent mean streak. Absolutely loves contact and usually wins. Well liked by coaches and teammates. Does everything well, but isn't special. Could improve on pass blocking. Has a tendency to play high.You know what you are getting with him and will be a safe pick to eventually come in and contribute. Iowa has good OL breeding grounds.

http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jones_mike00.html


6. NT Louis Leonard, Fresno St. - One of only a handful of true NT candidates in this draft. Almost as big as Gabe Watson, but with a better motor and upside. Very strong and can get even stonger. Can plug a gap with no problem at all against the best collegiate interior O-linemen. A true run stuffer. Has gotten better every year. Boom or bust type. To this point he has not done enough with his physical talents. Motor is pretty good when fresh, but he must be rotated to keep him fresh. Not as much of a factor in rushing the passer or collapsing the pocket as he should be. Needs a move. May not be the most coachable guy around. Needs the right coaches to push the right buttons and he could be a real find...otherwise he might not make it out of training camp.

http://gobulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/leonard_louis00.html


7. FB Deon Anderson, Connecticut - Deon is a solid person who loves the game of football and blocks with a passion, and can also catch and run. Versatility. Not a pure blocking FB, because he catches and runs too well to be stuck with that label, but he excels as a blocker. Comes up and absolutely pops people at the line of scrimmage. Secures the ball and pounds it well when handed to him. Catches very well for a fullback. A well-rounded athlete.

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/MFootball/2007/Bios/anderson.html



I could live with this draft, but why no DE's?

mtmock
03-14-2007, 09:03 PM
i think we go allsion in r.2 i don't really like pickin a cb that old but newman turned out pretty good...i would rather have meriweather but i have to remind myself just as others should every now and then that they dont draft off our wish lists they draft off theirs so good mock then! ;)

D-Unit
03-14-2007, 09:52 PM
leroy,
No DE, I know... I would've liked to find one, but it just didn't work out when I did this. Another thing is, I think that we have enough youth at the position. I don't think we'll be addressing DE with a Day 1 pick and Day 2 just didn't pan out in my mock. I still would like to think that we could add a veteran through FA... maybe after cuts. I thought losing Coleman would have a small impact and this may be it. Unless we address it in FA, I think there is still a chance we could address it in the draft, just didn't work out for me. I think we could also find an UDFA if we do our homework since we're only looking to shore up depth anyways.

D-Unit
03-15-2007, 04:52 AM
i think we go allsion in r.2 i don't really like pickin a cb that old but newman turned out pretty good...i would rather have meriweather but i have to remind myself just as others should every now and then that they dont draft off our wish lists they draft off theirs so good mock then! ;)
I think Davis is more talented, has more skills and has been better coached than Allison.

I know a lot of you like Merriweather, but I just don't buy it.

leroyisgod
03-15-2007, 08:07 AM
What are the odds that Steve Smith will be there in the 2nd for us to pick? He's getting a lot of attention lately and could be moving up on a lot of people's boards.

FinChase
03-15-2007, 09:04 AM
Has everyone seen Scott's new mock? I'm shocked that he still has us taking Mason Crosby in round 2, especially considering we just re-signed Grammatica.

bigmac076
03-15-2007, 10:14 AM
Has everyone seen Scott's new mock? I'm shocked that he still has us taking Mason Crosby in round 2, especially considering we just re-signed Grammatica.
I like it, Martin is alright, but since we were able to sure up our O-line via FA, we have more options. Most mocks had us taking an OL on the first day and we longer need one on the first day. It gives us the freedom to explore more options. I would rather see Crosby to us in the 3rd, but Its obvious Scott doesn't see him falling that far. Gramatica was a patch job for last year's blunder, hes not the long-term answer. And yes I know we signed him, but he signed for the league minimum so cutting him will do no harm. I like it simply because I'm not comfortable with Gramatica as THE kicker.

Macarthur
03-15-2007, 10:18 AM
leroy,
No DE, I know... I would've liked to find one, but it just didn't work out when I did this. Another thing is, I think that we have enough youth at the position. I don't think we'll be addressing DE with a Day 1 pick and Day 2 just didn't pan out in my mock. I still would like to think that we could add a veteran through FA... maybe after cuts. I thought losing Coleman would have a small impact and this may be it. Unless we address it in FA, I think there is still a chance we could address it in the draft, just didn't work out for me. I think we could also find an UDFA if we do our homework since we're only looking to shore up depth anyways.


I would be pleased with that draft. I am becoming a big fan of Free, and I really think we need to grab a WR on day 1.

My only question, D, is if Moss is still on the board, you would take Ross instead of Moss?

leroyisgod
03-15-2007, 10:38 AM
I really like Moss, but don't really see him being there at 22. The Steelers may grab him at 15.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-15-2007, 11:10 AM
I don't get why some of you guy want another OLB. Sure we had issues rushing the quarterback and Ellis may never be the same, but it would be the third year in a row drafting for that position. I just don't think thats a smart way to go about drafting.

leroyisgod
03-15-2007, 11:21 AM
I don't get why some of you guy want another OLB. Sure we had issues rushing the quarterback and Ellis may never be the same, but it would be the third year in a row drafting for that position. I just don't think thats a smart way to go about drafting.

Why not? Any good 3-4 defense will have a lot of good LB's. Look at what happened to us last year when Ellis went down.

Macarthur
03-15-2007, 11:38 AM
I don't get why some of you guy want another OLB. Sure we had issues rushing the quarterback and Ellis may never be the same, but it would be the third year in a row drafting for that position. I just don't think thats a smart way to go about drafting.

You just answered your own question about why I would consider another OLB/DE. Having a QB on offense and having someone to get pressure on the QB on defense are the two most important positions in the NFL, IMO. My thought is if you have a chance to draft a good pass rusher you take it. Unless, of course you are just loaded at that position, which is pretty appearant we are not given the lack of pressure we put on the QB.

I really view Carp as more of a weakside ILB than an OLB. It sounds like Ellis is progressing so it may not be as much of a need as previously though.

FinChase
03-15-2007, 11:59 AM
I like it, Martin is alright, but since we were able to sure up our O-line via FA, we have more options. Most mocks had us taking an OL on the first day and we longer need one on the first day. It gives us the freedom to explore more options. I would rather see Crosby to us in the 3rd, but Its obvious Scott doesn't see him falling that far. Gramatica was a patch job for last year's blunder, hes not the long-term answer. And yes I know we signed him, but he signed for the league minimum so cutting him will do no harm. I like it simply because I'm not comfortable with Gramatica as THE kicker.

Jerry may be lying through his teeth, but I tend to believe him when he says they will never again spend big money on a kicker.

D-Unit
03-15-2007, 12:32 PM
I don't get why some of you guy want another OLB. Sure we had issues rushing the quarterback and Ellis may never be the same, but it would be the third year in a row drafting for that position. I just don't think thats a smart way to go about drafting.
I definately think we need to add some pressure on Defense and an attacking LB to complement Ware is important, imo.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-15-2007, 12:53 PM
I agree we do need one but why one in the first?

Macarthur
03-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Because it is very rare to find "pressure guys" in the later rounds. There's a reason why those guys go early.

TNewFan41
03-15-2007, 01:55 PM
Not a bad Draft D-Unit, but I would like to address our future NT earlier.

D-Unit
03-15-2007, 02:56 PM
Not a bad Draft D-Unit, but I would like to address our future NT earlier.
If Tyler isn't there in the 2nd round, who are the prospects you would spend a pick on and where?

Modano
03-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Damn, D-Unit, your first day is awesome. Can you be my dad? :D

JJJ888
03-15-2007, 03:41 PM
Why not? Any good 3-4 defense will have a lot of good LB's. Look at what happened to us last year when Ellis went down.

Why not? Because right now at the two OLB positions we have 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick...and 3 of those guys are still young and improving. If you take another OLB you hinder one or more of those guys' development, or you have to move him inside as a backup. One guy I do like, however, is Paul Posluzny, who can play either inside or out.

JJJ888
03-15-2007, 03:45 PM
Damn, D-Unit, your first day is awesome. Can you be my dad? :D

Only if you can eat Poi like this guy:


http://z.about.com/f/wiki/e/en/3/31/Poi-Boy-With-Bowl.jpg

Modano
03-15-2007, 04:05 PM
Only if you can eat Poi like this guy:


http://z.about.com/f/wiki/e/en/3/31/Poi-Boy-With-Bowl.jpg

Of course I can. And I'm from Sardinia, that is like the italian version of Hawaii!

LSUALUM99
03-15-2007, 04:32 PM
If Moss is there at 22 we should, without a doubt, draft him.

You can NEVER have too many pass rushers. I'd take a top flight pass rusher over a 'shut down' corner any day of the week.

I'd trade Champ Bailey to get Shawn Merriman.

Other than QB, there is no single position that affects a game better than a pass rushing DE / OLB.

Every great defense puts pressure on the QB. In, fact, off the top of my head I can't think of a super bowl winning team that didn't put pressure on the QB.

JJJ888
03-15-2007, 04:57 PM
If Moss is there at 22 we should, without a doubt, draft him.

You can NEVER have too many pass rushers. I'd take a top flight pass rusher over a 'shut down' corner any day of the week.

I'd trade Champ Bailey to get Shawn Merriman.

Other than QB, there is no single position that affects a game better than a pass rushing DE / OLB.

Every great defense puts pressure on the QB. In, fact, off the top of my head I can't think of a super bowl winning team that didn't put pressure on the QB.

I disagree--you can have too many pass rushers when you can't get them all on the field at the same time; or when you can't even get some of them on the field in the role that they should be playing.

I agree with all your other points, however. Pass-rusher is just as important to your defense as quarterback and left tackle are to your offense, but you can only have so many of them on the field at one time. The more pure pass-rushers you have on the field, the more you give up in terms of coverage and run defense.

And our defense is certainly capable of putting pressure on the quarterback; unless you assume that Ellis will not be recovered and Carpenter is a bust. We have a budding pass-rusher in Ware, a solid backup in Burnett, a veteran still adjusting to a new scheme, with great success, in Ellis, and a rookie who showed his capabilities in his final game. To me, that presents a very good picture at outside linebacker. Where would Moss or another first round pick fit in that picture?

TNewFan41
03-15-2007, 05:17 PM
Ok, waist more money on a LB we don't need, sounds great LSU.

WE HAVE WADE PHILLIPS!!!!!! We have the players, now all we need is the schemes, and we got them.

I don't really like Aaron Ross, but I may have to live with it.

mtmock
03-15-2007, 06:10 PM
i would like 5 guys....Dwayne Bowe,Jarvis Moss,Reggie Nelson,Chris Houston,&Dwayne Jarrett they are all possibilities i wouldn't mind pass rusher either LSU we sure did interview a lot of olb's at the combine i think if top 2 FS are gone we take Bowe or Moss if there

D-Unit
03-15-2007, 06:55 PM
I disagree--you can have too many pass rushers when you can't get them all on the field at the same time; or when you can't even get some of them on the field in the role that they should be playing.

I agree with all your other points, however. Pass-rusher is just as important to your defense as quarterback and left tackle are to your offense, but you can only have so many of them on the field at one time. The more pure pass-rushers you have on the field, the more you give up in terms of coverage and run defense.

And our defense is certainly capable of putting pressure on the quarterback; unless you assume that Ellis will not be recovered and Carpenter is a bust. We have a budding pass-rusher in Ware, a solid backup in Burnett, a veteran still adjusting to a new scheme, with great success, in Ellis, and a rookie who showed his capabilities in his final game. To me, that presents a very good picture at outside linebacker. Where would Moss or another first round pick fit in that picture?
In our defense you NEED to be at least 2 deep at every LB position. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it has to be.

I sound like I'm in the minority, but I don't think Carp will ever be the full time starter at SOLB. I think he's destined for the inside. I hate his speed. That can be covered up at ILB, but at OLB, he'd be less effective. I know you say that we have James and Ayodele, but so what. We just lost Fowler, so that will open up more snaps for Carp. He gives me a sense of security knowing that if one of our starters goes down, he can step in nicely.

We need another OLB. Ellis is old and coming off injury. Burnett needs to stay where he is, backing up Ware.

Macarthur
03-15-2007, 08:29 PM
I disagree--you can have too many pass rushers when you can't get them all on the field at the same time; or when you can't even get some of them on the field in the role that they should be playing.



The problem is we don't have too many. Don't you remember what happened to our pass rush when Ellis went down?

D-unit is right. When you run a 3-4, you need tons of LBers. Ellis is aging and coming off a major injury. Burnett is athletic, but has yet to come into his own. I also agree with D-unit on Carp; I think he will end up the weakside ILB.

Actually, the more I type, the more I'm liking the idea of Moss. I think he and Ware would make a heck of a tandem.

jetBLACK08
03-15-2007, 08:33 PM
I would rather have Moses than Moss.

D-Unit
03-15-2007, 08:52 PM
I would rather have Moses than Moss.
Ok, but why?

mtmock
03-15-2007, 09:55 PM
I would rather have Moses than Moss.

yea right!

jetBLACK08
03-15-2007, 10:57 PM
Ok, but why?

Both Moses and Moss are amazing athletes. They both have numbers supporting their backs. If you want a pass rushing LBer, you want someone strong and stout. Moss is 6'6 and only 250. It just seems that he would get mauled by Guards and Tacles in pro football. He just would not do well with heavy contact. Moses is at 6'5 and at 260. He has the same issue but he is in a better shape than Moss being 1 inch shorter and 10 lbs heavier. Merriman is 6'4 and at 270. Ware is 6'4 and at 260. Ellis played OLB at 6'6 270. There is no doubbt noth of them are astounding athletes, but there is only a certain distance natural talent can take you in the NFL. Another reason I guess for picking up Moses would be that the 'Boys can pick him up in the 2nd or maybe just maybe in the 3rd.

mtmock
03-15-2007, 11:17 PM
moses had 4.5 sacks only last year! moss had 7.5 ....moses ran a 4.85 40, moss ran a 4.7 and in the 4.6 range at his pro day

bantx
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
hey tnew just wondering, just gonna throw it out there ummm why does everyone hate you?

jetBLACK08
03-16-2007, 12:39 AM
moses had 4.5 sacks only last year! moss had 7.5 ....moses ran a 4.85 40, moss ran a 4.7 and in the 4.6 range at his pro day

True, but look at his Junior year. He has about 10 sacks I believe, so knowing that the talent is there and so is ability. All he needs is motivation, but his downfall is speed.

Also, I just checked his recent weight, and he is also in the 250 which totally kills my argument. Anyways, the 'boys just have a better chance at getting Moses. Moss will probably be gone after the 1st round, only Moses has a decent chance of falling.

mtmock
03-16-2007, 01:03 AM
hey tnew just wondering, just gonna throw it out there ummm why does everyone hate you?

because hes a know it all who knows nothing at all. and makes arguments out what he wants to happen instead of using facts and reason :)

mtmock
03-16-2007, 01:04 AM
True, but look at his Junior year. He has about 10 sacks I believe, so knowing that the talent is there and so is ability. All he needs is motivation, but his downfall is speed.

Also, I just checked his recent weight, and he is also in the 250 which totally kills my argument. Anyways, the 'boys just have a better chance at getting Moses. Moss will probably be gone after the 1st round, only Moses has a decent chance of falling.
kudos for at least admitting youre bad ;)

Modano
03-16-2007, 03:07 AM
hey tnew just wondering, just gonna throw it out there ummm why does everyone hate you?

The answer is in my sign ;)

I agree that you can't have too many pass rusher, but you can't use yout first round pick to stay on the bench or be situational players. Because if we draft Moss, him or Carpenter will hit the bench for long time.

Now, D-Unit, we have only one game where Carpenter started in the 3-4 defense. And in that game he was great and he outplayed Ware. So why are you not confident with him outside?
Ok, you can say that one game don't make a player, and that's right, but we don't have other proofs to say if he can play outside or not...
So I agree that we can draft another pass rusher, but not in the first round.

BTW, your mock draft is awesome, and I simply love the Craig Davis pick. He will make thule say "Ted Ginn who?" :D

TNewFan41
03-16-2007, 07:46 AM
hey tnew just wondering, just gonna throw it out there ummm why does everyone hate you?

Honestly, I don't really know.

Anyway, D-Unit, how is Carpenter slow?!??!!?!?

He ran a 4.61 40:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/carpenter_bobby

Merriman ran a 4.66, just to let you know. I know Ware ran a 4.54, but Ware is a freak, you can't expect that from everyone.

nrcirc
03-16-2007, 09:04 AM
IMO Tim Crowder is the save pick if Cowboys wants to draft a DE/OLB. He have the speed and is strongest DE in this draft. His College career is better than both Moses and Moss.

TNewFan41
03-16-2007, 11:29 AM
I think he is more of a true 4-3 DE.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-16-2007, 12:24 PM
yeah but hes still athletic enough to play OLB

nrcirc
03-16-2007, 12:26 PM
I think he is more of a true 4-3 DE.

I disagree with you, he should be a prefect SOLB for us.

FinChase
03-16-2007, 12:55 PM
IMO Tim Crowder is the save pick if Cowboys wants to draft a DE/OLB. He have the speed and is strongest DE in this draft. His College career is better than both Moses and Moss.

I like Brian Robison better as a DE/OLB prospect. I think he's more athletic than Crowder.

Macarthur
03-16-2007, 01:03 PM
Actually, I wouldn't mind either of those UT guys.

I personally do not think much of Mack Brown and his staff's ability to develop & coach up players. I think both of these guys could end up being very good NFL players.

Burns336
03-16-2007, 02:43 PM
How 'bout nelson/ross in the first and charles johnson in the second. Scott has him falling to 3 or 4 picks before us in the second so it could be possible.

Macarthur
03-16-2007, 02:58 PM
I'm okay with Ross or Nelson. I'm not too sure on Johnson. He did not show much speed and quickness at the combine. I don't mind his height much if he's really quick, but not real quick and short are a bad combination, IMO.

D-Unit
03-16-2007, 03:28 PM
I'm okay with Ross or Nelson. I'm not too sure on Johnson. He did not show much speed and quickness at the combine. I don't mind his height much if he's really quick, but not real quick and short are a bad combination, IMO.
Actually the reports I read on Johnson at the Combine were that he looked really agile and fluid in the LB drills. Saying he stood out. I like Johnson, but I think Scott is wrong. I highly doubt he lasts that far into the second round.

D-Unit
03-16-2007, 03:42 PM
The answer is in my sign ;)

I agree that you can't have too many pass rusher, but you can't use yout first round pick to stay on the bench or be situational players. Because if we draft Moss, him or Carpenter will hit the bench for long time.

Now, D-Unit, we have only one game where Carpenter started in the 3-4 defense. And in that game he was great and he outplayed Ware. So why are you not confident with him outside?
Ok, you can say that one game don't make a player, and that's right, but we don't have other proofs to say if he can play outside or not...
So I agree that we can draft another pass rusher, but not in the first round.

BTW, your mock draft is awesome, and I simply love the Craig Davis pick. He will make thule say "Ted Ginn who?" :D
Carpenter's time will come. Look, we all know Parcells drafted Carpenter because at the time we were looking for a SOLB guy. I wish I could get into the mind of Parcells to know why he didn't leave Carp at SOLB as a back up to Ellis once the season began. I can only take guesses. What ever the reasons were, BP decided to have Carp at SILB backing up Ayodele. I think that was a brilliant idea because the duty of SILB is to stuff the run on running plays and he also gets to rush the QB on passing downs. The SILB usually has to be bigger than the WILB and be able to withstand constant pounding. Carpenter has the body size to do take on blockers, take on the pounding, and yet also has the skills to provide a blitz from the ILB position. Carp has better range and instinct better suited for an ILB, than straightline speed and athleticism better suited for an OLB.

I understand your gripes about playing time and him seeing the field... just leave that up to the coaching staff. Don't invest much worry into it, if you know what I mean. It's hardly important. The players who suit up on Sunday will see the field.

Burns336
03-16-2007, 06:17 PM
Actually the reports I read on Johnson at the Combine were that he looked really agile and fluid in the LB drills. Saying he stood out. I like Johnson, but I think Scott is wrong. I highly doubt he lasts that far into the second round.

I think he still could be a first rounder depending on how teams look at their needs and if he goes into the second, he'll be scooped up pretty early. Im just fantasizing over grabbing a guy like him in the second since we seem to be interested in OLB's.

Personally i think we take ross, which isnt the worst thing in the world, but i really think we will be kicking ourselves later if nelson is sitting there and we dont take him in the first. Looking into the second, i really have no clue where we go, but if we go OLB johnson would be first round talent that we would be lucky to grab.

TNewFan41
03-17-2007, 08:50 AM
Scott has us taking Chris Houston!!!!

bigmac076
03-17-2007, 09:18 AM
Scott new mock is great i think.

FinChase
03-17-2007, 09:26 AM
He still has us taking Crosby in the 2nd, though. I don't see it happening. I'd love to know if Scott is making this pick because of inside information or because that's what he thinks we need. I suspect the latter.

Staubach12
03-17-2007, 11:15 AM
I see Carp as the future at OLB. I don't know what you're talking about D. He's a great athlete. Here's scotts scouting report on him:

Strengths:
Has excellent size...Is very fast and athletic...Has great instincts...Is very natural and does an excellent job in coverage...Does a nice job of filling against the run...Flies to the ball and makes plays sideline-to-sideline...Tremendous pass rusher and blitzer...Tough as nails and a true football player...Tenacious and has a great motor...Versatile player...Very productive and has a lot of experience.

Weaknesses:
Has some trouble shedding blocks...Is not the surest tackler...Was surrounded by a lot of talent which alleviated pressure and didn't allow the opposition to focus only on him...Can be too aggressive at times...Might not be quite as athletic as his computer numbers would lead you to believe...Needs to use his hands better.

Notes:
Father Rob played for the New York Giants...Saw some action at defensive end for the Buckeyes...Was overshadowed by A.J. Hawk but this guy is a top prospect in his own right...A great strongside linebacker who could also be an impact player in a 3-4 pass rushing role as well...One of the drafts most underrated players.

He should be fine at OLB. I see us going ILB a bit later in the draft.

Macarthur
03-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Actually the reports I read on Johnson at the Combine were that he looked really agile and fluid in the LB drills. Saying he stood out. I like Johnson, but I think Scott is wrong. I highly doubt he lasts that far into the second round.

OK.

I just saw that 4.8 and thought that's not as quick as you would want.

I tell ya, I'm thinking if we want an OLB in the 2nd, Crowder or Robison in the 3rd might be good picks. I do not think Mack Brown and his staff do a good job of developing/coaching up kids. For that reason, I think these two could really flourish when given quality coaching.

FinChase
03-18-2007, 07:33 PM
There's talk that Alan Branch could be dropping. It probably won't happen, but let's say he falls into the mid-teens. Would he be worth trading up for? Could he play NT in the 3/4?

Im_a_Romosexual
03-18-2007, 08:18 PM
he can but he'd be better at end

Staubach12
03-18-2007, 08:19 PM
There's talk that Alan Branch could be dropping. It probably won't happen, but let's say he falls into the mid-teens. Would he be worth trading up for? Could he play NT in the 3/4?

He could not play NT in the 3-4. He's too big. He could, however (maybe), play DE in the 3-4.

D-Unit
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
He could not play NT in the 3-4. He's too big. He could, however (maybe), play DE in the 3-4.
Ted Washington stood 6-5, 350 and was a tremendously successful NT in the NFL. Branch isn't as heavy, but I don't get why you think he's too big. 3-4 NTs need to be big. They need to command a double and Branch could do that. Branch would demolish someone matching up one on one. He would collapse the pocket repeatedly and they would be forced to double him. Once that happens, our defense would work to perfection. Fergy does not command a double team and that where our D is fundamentally wrong. The NT "has to" command a double. Don't give me the he's too tall to get leverage excuse. They guy is extremely athletic and it's only a matter of coaching, practice and will.

If we trade up in the draft, it better be for Branch. Not Landry, not Nelson, not Peterson... BRANCH. NT is our #1 need. Been sayin' that since the days of Adam.

Burns336
03-18-2007, 10:08 PM
Ted Washington stood 6-5, 350 and was a tremendously successful NT in the NFL. Branch isn't as heavy, but I don't get why you think he's too big. 3-4 NTs need to be big. They need to command a double and Branch could do that. Branch would demolish someone matching up one on one. He would collapse the pocket repeatedly and they would be forced to double him. Once that happens, our defense would work to perfection. Fergy does not command a double team and that where our D is fundamentally wrong. The NT "has to" command a double. Don't give me the he's too tall to get leverage excuse. They guy is extremely athletic and it's only a matter of coaching, practice and will.

If we trade up in the draft, it better be for Branch. Not Landry, not Nelson, not Peterson... BRANCH. NT is our #1 need. Been sayin' that since the days of Adam.

after branch, i know you like tank tyler in the second as another choice, but do you have any other nt's that may not have stood out as much in college but have a chance to be an upgrade for us based on mesurables. Basically is there anyone that you see as a NT with potential but is just raw at this point?

D-Unit
03-18-2007, 10:18 PM
after branch, i know you like tank tyler in the second as another choice, but do you have any other nt's that may not have stood out as much in college but have a chance to be an upgrade for us based on mesurables. Basically is there anyone that you see as a NT with potential but is just raw at this point?
No. That's why I think it's imperative for us to get either one. There wasn't a NT in FA either. If not, we're stuck with a fundamentally unsound defense for another year and a hope that one of the late round guys can do something more than eat up a roster spot.

Burns336
03-18-2007, 10:38 PM
id much rather have a dominant NT over anything, but i figured branch was out of the question and a first was too high for tank tyler... its really depressing knowing that a NT could be a make or break piece for us and that we may not even be in position to get one. Jamall Williams was such an intregal part of Phillips 3-4 in San Diego, and i know our secondary wouldnt need a Reggie Nelson or a Brandon Merriweather if we had a dominant NT..

D-Unit
03-19-2007, 12:43 AM
id much rather have a dominant NT over anything, but i figured branch was out of the question and a first was too high for tank tyler... its really depressing knowing that a NT could be a make or break piece for us and that we may not even be in position to get one. Jamall Williams was such an intregal part of Phillips 3-4 in San Diego, and i know our secondary wouldnt need a Reggie Nelson or a Brandon Merriweather if we had a dominant NT..
Yep.

Here's a cool article... about 3-4 prospects in this year's draft. What's cool is Kirwan put together the list by talking to NFL coaches and scouts.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10066679

Paul
03-19-2007, 01:20 AM
Seeing that Nelson is pretty much out and remembering guys like Wilfork and Williams dominate this past season, NT has really moved up on my list of wants. Tank would certianly be a nice pick, even if it is a reach at 22, but I'm hoping we trade down alittle and pick him and another draft pick up.

yno88
03-19-2007, 01:21 AM
God the Alan Branch talk is making me salivate. He'd be a perfect NT. Ferg is solid but getting old and NT probably takes more punishment than anybody on the field.

Get me him and I don't care what else we do in the draft. Alan Branch and 6 kickers. I'm good with that.

Burns336
03-19-2007, 02:55 AM
Yep.

Here's a cool article... about 3-4 prospects in this year's draft. What's cool is Kirwan put together the list by talking to NFL coaches and scouts.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10066679

great article. Im almost wondering now if we should give up some sort of pick to make sure we get tyler in the 2nd. I think we go secondary in the first (prob cb unless nelson is still around), but i would love to make some moves to try and upgrade at NT.

What do you think it would take if we needed to move up a few spots to get tyler?

and if we still had a third do you think we could get someone like lamarr woodley? I dont necessarily think OLB is a need, but since we were interviewing them im guessing we're gonna pick one up somewhere.

still wouldnt mind someone like charles johnson in the 2nd if he slipped to us, but then again NT seems to be becoming a major need that i hadn't thought about before.

D-Unit
03-19-2007, 03:40 AM
Glad to see more of you understanding the need for a new NT... but are you only realizing the importance of it now??? I've always liked Branch, but he was always considered too high a prospect to even attempt to trade up for. So I was riding Tyler's stock pretty tight... especially after the Senior Bowl weigh in... but his stock started to fall into where the value wasn't matching up... and I have no idea either... He had a great season! I don't care what TNew says, Tyler will not last to us in Round 2. I don't care what all of you Ferg fans had to say about how great he was last year... I disagree. There's only one guy who has been behind Tyler above us all and that is KillerSanta. I would love Tyler at 22. I would love Nelson at 22. I would prefer Nelson over Tyler at this point, but it's close.

robert_in_bigd
03-19-2007, 11:48 AM
For what it is worth, I think we need to trade our 1st down to maybe a 2 and 3 combination and then go rounds 2-7 as follows ...

NT -- Tank (late sec)
FS -- Meriweather (early sec)
ILB -- Harris (early third)
OT -- Free (late thrid)
WR -- P Williams (late 4)
OLB -- DeOssie or Ford (late 5)
KR/WR -- Breaston (late 6)
QB -- Gutierrez (late 7)

I think this is doable and don't feel there is much a difference between 22 and 42. Trade up is too expensive and I don't think a stud will fall to us (Levi Brown, Branch, M Lynch, etc)...

A couple other options on the above ....if Tyler is gone by late two go RB (Bush or Hunt) then instead of Harris in early third go for Mebane or Soliai.

Macarthur
03-19-2007, 02:13 PM
Glad to see more of you understanding the need for a new NT... but are you only realizing the importance of it now??? I've always liked Branch, but he was always considered too high a prospect to even attempt to trade up for. So I was riding Tyler's stock pretty tight... especially after the Senior Bowl weigh in... but his stock started to fall into where the value wasn't matching up... and I have no idea either... He had a great season! I don't care what TNew says, Tyler will not last to us in Round 2. I don't care what all of you Ferg fans had to say about how great he was last year... I disagree. There's only one guy who has been behind Tyler above us all and that is KillerSanta. I would love Tyler at 22. I would love Nelson at 22. I would prefer Nelson over Tyler at this point, but it's close.


D-Unit, what do you think of Walter Thomas? He is huge and has some quickness.

He's certainly a project, but could have gigantic upside. Will he last until the 5th?

TNewFan41
03-19-2007, 02:20 PM
I agree that a future NT is a HUGE need, probably bigger than FS. THink abou tit, we can still win the SB without a good FS, but if Fergy goes down, and even if he is healthy, with no one to spell him, we are screwed. If he goes down for an extended period of time, this team goes from an elite SB contender to not even a playoff team IMO. I say tank tyler lasts until 40 or so, if you want to trade down to that area, or trade up in the 2nd, I am fine with that, we need a future NT.

robert_in_bigd
03-19-2007, 02:57 PM
Another option for NT is Thomas from Florida. Projected as a 1 but had some discipline problems.

After Ross and Bryant under the Jerry is God regime not sure we can afford those types however. Jerry seems mesmerized by ability and over looks character issues.

robert_in_bigd
03-19-2007, 03:01 PM
I agree that a future NT is a HUGE need, probably bigger than FS. THink abou tit, we can still win the SB without a good FS, but if Fergy goes down, and even if he is healthy, with no one to spell him, we are screwed. If he goes down for an extended period of time, this team goes from an elite SB contender to not even a playoff team IMO. I say tank tyler lasts until 40 or so, if you want to trade down to that area, or trade up in the 2nd, I am fine with that, we need a future NT.


If we trade down the 1 to a 2 and 3 -- we can address every need the team has with 5 high-quality picks in round 2 to 4. OL, NT, FS/CB Tweener, Back-up LB and Back-up QB are all doable.

Staubach12
03-19-2007, 03:12 PM
Another option for NT is Thomas from Florida. Projected as a 1 but had some discipline problems.

After Ross and Bryant under the Jerry is God regime not sure we can afford those types however. Jerry seems mesmerized by ability and over looks character issues.

I don't see Marcus Thomas as 3-4 NT. I don't think he's stout enough at the point of attack.

robert_in_bigd
03-19-2007, 03:17 PM
I don't see Marcus Thomas as 3-4 NT. I don't think he's stout enough at the point of attack.

Yeah, don't know much about his body type other than he got bigger since Florida. I read somewhere he came in at 315. 20 pounds heavier.

Tank, on the other hand, seems to have power but may have issues keeping weight on. He went from 320 to 310 in like two weeks and is a full two inches shorter.

But a 6'3 NT is almost ideal.

Staubach12
03-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Yup, I'd love the Tank in the 2nd if he's there, though I doubt it.

D-Unit
03-20-2007, 08:51 PM
Yup, I'd love the Tank in the 2nd if he's there, though I doubt it.
Yup, I'd love Branch in the 1st if he's there, though I doubt it.

That's how silly it sounds.

TNewFan41
03-21-2007, 01:43 PM
If we sign Hamlin, we have NO holes, so lets just trade up for him.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-21-2007, 02:00 PM
sure we do. Kicker, NT/DL depth, MLB depth, offensive line depth, not to mention the need to start getting younger at WR and CB

TNewFan41
03-21-2007, 02:05 PM
I meant starting positions.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-21-2007, 02:22 PM
true, but if the starters go down we are f'ed

leroyisgod
03-21-2007, 06:53 PM
Here's my first attempt at 5 round mock

1. Chris Houston- CB- Arkansas
2. Lamarr Woodley- DE- Michigan
3. Aundrae Allison- WR- East Carolina
4. Mason Crosby- K- Colorado
5. Marshall Yanda- G-Iowa

jjmcquade
03-21-2007, 06:55 PM
assuming we sign ken hamlin for f safety. here are my selections for the cowboys. First 3 rounds

Round 1. Jarvis Moss. Defensive End that brings 4.7 speed to the pass rush. Plays both 4-3 and 3-4 defenses.

Round 2. Aaron Rouse. Safety/outside Linebacker. He runs 4.52 speed. He can play the safety position and outside linebacker position. The cowboys can covert him to outside linebacker because of his speed and aggresiveness.

Round 3. Eric Wright. Cornerback. He runs 4.36. He is a little raw but working with the vetern corners. this kid can be groomed.

D-Unit
03-21-2007, 07:06 PM
Here's my first attempt at 5 round mock

1. Chris Houston- CB- Arkansas
2. Lamarr Woodley- DE- Michigan
3. Aundrae Allison- WR- East Carolina
4. Mason Crosby- K- Colorado
5. Marshall Yanda- G-Iowa
I hope we've signed Hamlin in that scenario. If so, I can dig it.

leroyisgod
03-22-2007, 03:49 AM
I hope we've signed Hamlin in that scenario. If so, I can dig it.

If we've signed Hamlin, by far we've had the best offseason of anyone.

JJJ888
03-23-2007, 09:26 PM
Quick mock with the Hamlin signing:

1. Dwayne Jarrett
2. Eric Wright
3. Brandon Mebane
4. Josh Beekman
5. Zak DeOssie

FinChase
03-23-2007, 09:45 PM
Am I the only one concerned about our depth at center? Al Johnson is gone. If Gurode goes down, who's behind him? How about Doug Datish on the second day?

Ward
03-23-2007, 10:21 PM
The team has been looking at Samson Satele, so I think they are going to address center at some point in the draft. Here's hoping for Kyle Young.

D-Unit
03-23-2007, 10:29 PM
The team has been looking at Samson Satele, so I think they are going to address center at some point in the draft. Here's hoping for Kyle Young.
Samson is an athletic freak. I mean he doesn't even look like an offensive lineman. The dude broke my ankles on the way to driving to the rim for a layup. :P

D-Fence
03-24-2007, 12:50 AM
With Hamlin signed, I think Reggie Nelson is off the board for the Boys, they'll sit back and let Pat Watkins develop...My real question about the D is still whether or not we're deep enough in the front 7 to get enough pressure to give the secondary a chance this year. My guess right now is No. I wanna get a REAL OLB in this draft, and move Bobby Carpenter inside.

First Day Mock:

Round 1: Lawrence Timmons/Jarvis Moss
Round 2: Tenard Jackson/Eric Wright
Round 3: Steve Smith/Jason Hill

or

Round 1: Houston/Revis/Ross
Round 2: Woodley/Moses/Alama-Francis
Round 3: Smith/Hill

jetBLACK08
03-24-2007, 12:59 AM
We are going with WR first if the value is there.
and I doubt we draft a CB first round

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-24-2007, 01:04 AM
I Am Coming Around To The Branch Way Of Thinking Myself. I Think There Is Potential For Him To Be A Dud, But Everyone Else Has That Potential, Too.

If He Becomes As Good As Most Think He Is, However, We Are Set.

D-Unit
03-24-2007, 02:54 AM
Here is my new mock after the Hamlin signing.

Option 1: Move Up
Rnd 1. Alan Branch
Rnd 2. Pick Traded
Rnd 3. Dan Bazuin

Option 2: Stay Put
Rnd 1. Dwyane Jarrett
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3. Doug Free

Option 3: Move Down
Rnd 2. DeMarcus Tyler
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3: Doug Free

TNewFan41
03-24-2007, 08:14 AM
true, but if the starters go down we are f'ed

Isn't every team?

TNewFan41
03-24-2007, 08:16 AM
If we've signed Hamlin, by far we've had the best offseason of anyone.

I completely agree, to bad the other people on this site don't see it. They think the Dolphins had the best off-season, lol...

D-Fence
03-24-2007, 09:20 AM
Man, nobody is touching the Patriots or Broncos in terms of how their offseasons have improved their teams...Tom Brady and the Patriots have won Superbowls with far less talent, and if the Broncos can keep Dre Bly and then with Al Wilson to trade up into the Top 10 like they've been rumored to be trying to do, they'll be something SERIOUS. I think the Cowboys are third right now behind those two.

The only thing that worries me about Hamlin is he's a little too much like Roy Williams.

TNewFan41
03-24-2007, 10:10 AM
No, he is much lighter and more agile.

Oh and HeismanHerschel, why do you capatilize every word in your sentences? lol.

Macarthur
03-24-2007, 02:10 PM
Here is my new mock after the Hamlin signing.

Option 1: Move Up
Rnd 1. Alan Branch
Rnd 2. Pick Traded
Rnd 3. Dan Bazuin

Option 2: Stay Put
Rnd 1. Dwyane Jarrett
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3. Doug Free

Option 3: Move Down
Rnd 2. DeMarcus Tyler
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3: Doug Free

D-Unit, I would be real happy with any of those scenarios. However, wouldn't we most likely get another 3rd in the 3rd scenario? If we do pick another 1st day pick in that 3rd scenario, I really like some WRs there like Allison, Higgins or Smith.

TNewFan41
03-24-2007, 03:10 PM
No, we would recieve a first round next year.

nrcirc
03-24-2007, 03:30 PM
Here is my new mock after the Hamlin signing.

Option 1: Move Up
Rnd 1. Alan Branch
Rnd 2. Pick Traded
Rnd 3. Dan Bazuin

Option 2: Stay Put
Rnd 1. Dwyane Jarrett
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3. Doug Free

Option 3: Move Down
Rnd 2. DeMarcus Tyler
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3: Doug Free


I like Doug Free alot, but If the Cowboys are interesting both two top rankng OGs in this year draft, I don't thing we will draft any OT in day one. Also I have the feeling that they may move A David to play LT if need it.

I like your first option.

jetBLACK08
03-24-2007, 03:49 PM
People say that we have holes. We might not have immediate starting holes, but we have no depth in these areas
-NT
-C
-OT
-WR
-CB
-ILB
and others



I say we go
1Round:CB
2Round:DE/OLB
3Round:WR

Staubach12
03-24-2007, 04:16 PM
Here is my new mock after the Hamlin signing.

Option 1: Move Up
Rnd 1. Alan Branch
Rnd 2. Pick Traded
Rnd 3. Dan Bazuin

Option 2: Stay Put
Rnd 1. Dwyane Jarrett
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3. Doug Free

Option 3: Move Down
Rnd 2. DeMarcus Tyler
Rnd 2. Lamarr Woodley
Rnd 3: Doug Free

I'd like all this, but the only thing is this. If we move down for Tank, I'd like to see this:

1. DeMarcus Tyler
2. Jason Hill
3. Brian Robinson

Once again, I know that many of you don't agree, but I see WR as a very big need at this point in time.

jetBLACK08
03-24-2007, 04:20 PM
I want dallas to target Tarell Brown

TNewFan41
03-24-2007, 04:26 PM
We don't need a freakin Round 1 CB!!!!!! Get that through your head. First we don't need a #1, and Henry is one of the best #2's in the league. If you want a #2, you can get that in the 3rd or 4th round, even though we don't need one. And Aaron Glenn and Nate Jones are good depth. Jojnes actually played well down the stretch. And I don't care how old Glenn is, he is still probably the best #3 CB in the league. Definitly top 3.

D-Unit
03-24-2007, 04:34 PM
People say that we have holes. We might not have immediate starting holes, but we have no depth in these areas
-NT
-C
-OT
-WR
-CB
-ILB
and others



I say we go
1Round:CB
2Round:DE/OLB
3Round:WR
Nobody said we don't have any concerns... Let's not exaggerate anything.

We have capable starters, but it is very possible for someone that we draft to come in and start for us next season. Depth is also a legit concern. However, I don't think we can look at it and say, we need a CB in round 1, OLB in round 2, WR in round 3...etc... We just need to wait for the cards to unfold and draft the best player available that fills a need whatever position it is.

D-Unit
03-24-2007, 04:38 PM
I want dallas to target Tarell Brown
No ways. But I do want them to target David Harris. :D

JJJ888
03-24-2007, 06:08 PM
The nice thing about this draft is that we're in a position to draft Best Player Available, since we have no glaring holes, and no positions where a hole could develop (except possibly WR). Fortunately, the draft is strongest at two positions where we could get good players at those positions where we have aging players (WR and CB). In my mind, it is this fact, rather than the need, that leads a number of us to believe that WR and CB are two of the most logical first round picks.

On another note, I would not mind taking Puz or P-Willy if either were available.

LSUALUM99
03-24-2007, 08:24 PM
Patrick Willis makes more sense to me than Puz. Willis will be an ILB on the pro level but Puz will be an OLB and Puz isn't an ideal size for 3-4 OLB.

Staubach12
03-24-2007, 09:42 PM
Well, Willis is really too high for us right now. After that monster pro day, he's in the top 15.

Paul
03-24-2007, 10:43 PM
ILB like David Harris, Desmond Bishop, Zak DeOssie, and Dedrick Harrington are all guys who could fit our system, any some of them could be taken on the 2nd day. Anthony Waters would be nice to, alittle worried about the injury.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-25-2007, 03:08 AM
No, he is much lighter and more agile.

Oh and HeismanHerschel, why do you capatilize every word in your sentences? lol.

I was lazy!!!! But I won't do it anymore. I have followed this website for a long time, but finally got around to registering. I don't want to make waves this quick, so I will use proper grammer from now on!

And I agree with you on something. I think drafting a cornerback in the first round wouldn't be ideal. Finding a way to get to the quarterback more consistently would turn our corners in to pro bowlers.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-25-2007, 03:16 AM
Also, I have a great idea. Considering the recent personnel moves the Texans have made (Paying Carr and Williams out the butt, passing on Young and Bush, then cutting Carr and Williams the next year), why don't we offer them a trade? Our first round pick for theirs, and we get Andre Johnson? They would probably do it!!! If not, maybe we give them Brad Johnson for Dunta Robinson and Demeco? (lol)

Paul
03-25-2007, 10:12 AM
Also, I have a great idea. Considering the recent personnel moves the Texans have made (Paying Carr and Williams out the butt, passing on Young and Bush, then cutting Carr and Williams the next year), why don't we offer them a trade? Our first round pick for theirs, and we get Andre Johnson? They would probably do it!!! If not, maybe we give them Brad Johnson for Dunta Robinson and Demeco? (lol)


A 1st for Andre Johnson? Sounds nice, but no way would the Texans ever do it. He is one of the cornerstones of that offense, and has panned out as a pro bowl receiver for them. And who the hell is Schuab going to throw to? Just because they made some questionable decisions before, doesn't mean they've gone ********.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-25-2007, 02:48 PM
I know, that was my attempt at making fun of the Texans. I think they get almost everything wrong, and was trying to make a funny!

Macarthur
03-25-2007, 08:52 PM
I'd like all this, but the only thing is this. If we move down for Tank, I'd like to see this:

1. DeMarcus Tyler
2. Jason Hill
3. Brian Robinson

Once again, I know that many of you don't agree, but I see WR as a very big need at this point in time.


I would be very happy with this. However, don't forget, if we do trade down to get Tank, we should get another 3rd rounder for that.

Add James Marten, OT, to that and that would be awsome (I would prefer Free, but I think he's gone in the late 2nd or so).

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 02:03 AM
I would love Tyler in a trade down. He's the number one guy I want in a trade down. Would even have a hard time passing him at 22.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 02:08 AM
ILB like David Harris, Desmond Bishop, Zak DeOssie, and Dedrick Harrington are all guys who could fit our system, any some of them could be taken on the 2nd day. Anthony Waters would be nice to, alittle worried about the injury.
I'm wondering how far Waters will last. He's one of those guys you pass on early, but if he's still sitting there in Round 4, you have to give him strong consideration. The guy was a beast when healthy.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 02:16 AM
Well, Willis is really too high for us right now. After that monster pro day, he's in the top 15.
I dunno... Willis can go as high as 12 to the 9ers and as low as whatever pick that Patriots have. He really could be there at 22 and no one here should be suprised.

thule
03-27-2007, 02:27 AM
I don't exactly feel like doing a huge write up right now...but I'll just breakdown my latest thoughts.

At pick 22 we trade down. No rookie is going to come in and start for our team. We can allow ourselves too look forward to the future. As for targets I'm thinking we move down into the mid 40's range...a team like MN could be looking at a WR target...maybe the bills want to land their CB target. Maybe Nelson is on board and ATL offers a pick to move up. Either way we bring in a 2nd round pick and a future first.

I'll use the ATL option since it looks doable. At pick 44 we select Marcus McCauley...IK boring but I'm still sold that he offers us what we need. Hall and Revis will be off the board. Ross and Houston are just as much of a project as McCauley is...yet we can get him 10 picks later...and he has the better physical tools.

Now we are sitting at 53. Give me Brian Robinson here. This guy absolutely owned the combine. He put on a show...and has experience at LB and DE...really looked smooth in LB drills at his pro day...think he is a great future developmental guy. Add some bulk to his upper body we got ourself another white boy LB...gotta love that.

Well now we've addressed two of our bigger depth concerns...we still have one position that really worries me LT. Well I'm sure everyone knows my favorite target here is Free...but I'm saying right now he won't be available when we pick in the 3rd round. So we are going to move up...I can't see us giving up a 3rd and a 4th to move up about 15 spots...so our 3rd and 2008 3rd and one of our 6th's sounds about right. Should put us at right about at pick 70. I'm obviously assuming Free is still on the board...and it'll be close to see if he is on draft day...but as of right now this is about the right range for him to fall.

As far as our second day picks are concerned. A WR with some speed...someone is bound to fall...this draft should give us a good option on the second day. A backup QB probably late. A nice NT prospect...I still like Johnson but there are plenty of options out there. An interior OL will be tempting and likely a go.

That would address our 3 major depth concerns. Leave us a few depth concerns for the second day that just happen to be deep positions in this draft. WR/NT/backup QB all seem to have good value on the second day. Plus we pick up a future first round pick.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 03:04 AM
The nice thing about this draft is that we're in a position to draft Best Player Available, since we have no glaring holes, and no positions where a hole could develop (except possibly WR). Fortunately, the draft is strongest at two positions where we could get good players at those positions where we have aging players (WR and CB). In my mind, it is this fact, rather than the need, that leads a number of us to believe that WR and CB are two of the most logical first round picks.

On another note, I would not mind taking Puz or P-Willy if either were available.
You know I love Dwayne Jarrett. That said... If we're really looking to get someone to fill a spot for the future... and we have one shot to do it....

I have a hard time thinking that we should spend it on a WR. There are pros and cons which make the decision making hard. While it usually takes 3 years for a raw WR to make an impact in the NFL (making it important to address now), the importance of having a good WR corps is not at a premium in today's NFL. A great WR corps is not a requirement to winning. Then there is FA. WRs acquired through FA are more proven and more ready to contribute. They could cost more or less than the price of a first rounder.

It could go back and forth a long time... but again... I alwasy come back to... Is WR what we really want to spend it on?

We're old at a few positions... LT, WR, NT, CB

The most expensive established players are those positions that are true necessities are LT and CB.

Show how much does it really cost by taking a WR in the first? A HELLUVA LOT.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-27-2007, 03:10 AM
Hey D-Unit! Just wanted you to know in case you don't check the official roy williams page, you were 100% correct. I can't beleive someone would actually argue the point they were making.

Modano
03-27-2007, 03:31 AM
I'm officialy on the Joe Staley bandwagon!

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 03:50 AM
I don't exactly feel like doing a huge write up right now...but I'll just breakdown my latest thoughts.

At pick 22 we trade down. No rookie is going to come in and start for our team. We can allow ourselves too look forward to the future. As for targets I'm thinking we move down into the mid 40's range...a team like MN could be looking at a WR target...maybe the bills want to land their CB target. Maybe Nelson is on board and ATL offers a pick to move up. Either way we bring in a 2nd round pick and a future first.

I'll use the ATL option since it looks doable. At pick 44 we select Marcus McCauley...IK boring but I'm still sold that he offers us what we need. Hall and Revis will be off the board. Ross and Houston are just as much of a project as McCauley is...yet we can get him 10 picks later...and he has the better physical tools.

Now we are sitting at 53. Give me Brian Robinson here. This guy absolutely owned the combine. He put on a show...and has experience at LB and DE...really looked smooth in LB drills at his pro day...think he is a great future developmental guy. Add some bulk to his upper body we got ourself another white boy LB...gotta love that.

Well now we've addressed two of our bigger depth concerns...we still have one position that really worries me LT. Well I'm sure everyone knows my favorite target here is Free...but I'm saying right now he won't be available when we pick in the 3rd round. So we are going to move up...I can't see us giving up a 3rd and a 4th to move up about 15 spots...so our 3rd and 2008 3rd and one of our 6th's sounds about right. Should put us at right about at pick 70. I'm obviously assuming Free is still on the board...and it'll be close to see if he is on draft day...but as of right now this is about the right range for him to fall.

As far as our second day picks are concerned. A WR with some speed...someone is bound to fall...this draft should give us a good option on the second day. A backup QB probably late. A nice NT prospect...I still like Johnson but there are plenty of options out there. An interior OL will be tempting and likely a go.

That would address our 3 major depth concerns. Leave us a few depth concerns for the second day that just happen to be deep positions in this draft. WR/NT/backup QB all seem to have good value on the second day. Plus we pick up a future first round pick.
Respect your thoughts thule. I have a different taste in prospects from you. In my mind, the first thing that a prospect has to show me is production on the field. The measurables are there to justify the talent. That's not to say that a person with incredible measurables and a shaky work resume won't make it. Just a different approach at measuring prospects, I guess.

Names like McCauley, Robison, Manny Ramirez... have great measureables & numbers, but I would not touch them unless it was a steal. However, I've made it known how I like prospects like Daymeion Hughes, Demarcus Tyler, Reggie Nelson despite the knocks that have hit them during this grading out process. I've stuck by them through thick and thin.

I'm with you on the LT concerns as I just noted in my last post. I think there is a real chance that Free will be available when we're on the clock in Rnd 3. One thought that crosses my mind is that if we lost Flozell then we free up a ton of cap to spend on to spend on a new LT in FA... However on the other hand, we do need to dish out some pricey extensions...Romo... Newman... etc... oh the fun!!! Jerry Jones is one lucky bastard.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 03:53 AM
I'm officialy on the Joe Staley bandwagon!
That selection would fit perfectly under what I just said about LT and CB being a worthwhile selection in Round 1. LT is especially important since Flozell's contract is over next year and we've got some pretty nice starting CBs patrolling our secondary. At CB it's a depth and future concern. At LT, the needs are right around the corner.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 04:04 AM
Hey D-Unit! Just wanted you to know in case you don't check the official roy williams page, you were 100% correct. I can't beleive someone would actually argue the point they were making.
Ehh.... Some people have some strong opinions and will stick through them to keep their foolish pride. When I'm wrong, I have no problems fessing up. I'm sure some of you and especially LSU loved that thread called "D-Unit Eats Crow". lol! I come here to learn from each other.

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 04:04 AM
Here goes...

Rnd 1 - LT Joe Staley, 6-5, 302.
Positives: The first thing you notice on film is Staley's ability to explode off the snap … Has excellent initial quickness, showing a strong base with the suddenness to get his hands into the defender in an instant … Has a tall, angular frame with developing muscles, long arms, large hands and minimal body fat (11.4 percent) … Possesses wide hips, thick thighs and a frame that can carry at least another 25 pounds with no loss in quickness … Has excellent athletic agility for this position … Still possesses the loose hips, lower-body flexibility and valid quickness of a tight end, coming off the snap with very good explosion … Quick to get out on the edge and shows very fluid knee and ankle bend when changing direction … Adds a good blend of strength, especially in his hand jolt … Moves well in the open, doing a nice job of locating and neutralizing linebackers … Shows outstanding acceleration on pulls and traps, running with short pitter-patter steps with the plant-and-drive agility to redirect … Smart enough to call blocking assignments … Makes quick adjustments on the move and will have no problems dealing with the mental aspect of the game … Plays with a high motor, knowing that his athletic ability will let him beat even the speedier pass rushers along the edge … Very light on his feet for a player of his size, showing quick reactions to combat any defensive movement … Does a solid job executing reach blocks and maintaining position when working in-line … Could use more bulk to clear out and maintain the rush lanes, but shows quick feet in his kick slide … Can fire off the ball on run blocks, showing very good hip roll in this area … Quick to get his hands into the defender to lock on and control … Has good forward body lean to maintain the rush lane and can move the pile when he uses his legs to drive hard and gain leverage … With added bulk, he could be exceptional as a drive blocker … Worked mostly from the spread and shotgun offense, but with his foot speed he was very effective at sliding out to neutralize the edge rushers … Could use more bulk to anchor, but he has the feet, balance and body control to ride his man out of the play … Fluid with his shuffle/slide and stays square and balanced attacking the defender … Has the flexibility and reach to adjust to second-level defenders … Will smother linebackers and move on to another target when he plays at a good pad level … Has the foot quickness to make the reach blocks and is fluid in his kick slide … Loops well and is quick to change direction, reacting quickly moving side to side … Shows good vision to combat twists and has the balance to recover when caught out of position.

Negatives: Can slide well in either direction and pulls well along the line, but tends to lose some hand placement attacking on the move … Has good explosion off the snap and good timed speed, but when he gets too erect in his stance he will struggle a bit to redirect … Has a strong hand punch, but needs to be more active using those hands in attempts to sustain … He seems to struggle getting low in his stance to generate leverage on the move, but he has the reach and extension ability to cover defenders up at the line of scrimmage … Showed much better explosion with his hands coming off the snap, but will tend to lean and use his body more than gain proper hand placement (is not punching the defensive end often in pass protection) … Athletic and smooth in his movements and has the body control to execute blocks in space, but needs to maintain proper pad level working in the second level (will get too tall in his stance, causing his base to narrow … Does a good job of executing pancake blocks when he stays on his feet, but must stay low in his pads in order to make contact on open-field blocks … Can extend, jolt and shock the opponent when he gets his hands on them, but needs to do it with more consistency … Strong on top, but still learning the proper technique for grabbing.

The Cowboys have never drafted an Offensive Lineman during the Jerry Jones era. But this year just may be the first. With our team having the luxury of addressing depth, I think they will look long and hard at Staley when we're on the clock at 22. As I've stated in the past, I think that LT and CB probably pose the best value. We are old at a few positions... LT, WR, NT, CB... and you might want to toss in SOLB in light of Greg Ellis (but I think we are very young in our LB corps as a whole).

The most expensive established players at those positions that are also true necessities are LT and CB. WR is not a necessity (but can be expensive) and NT is generally not expensive (but is a necessity).

To be able to grab Staley here solidifies our future at LT as he becomes the unquestioned heir to Flozell and McQuistan can remain a solid backup. With expensive extensions on the horizon for Romo, Newman and Julius... this gives us a cheaper option as opposed to addressing LT in FA and helps to make room to retain those guys.



Rnd 2 - Trade Up for NT Demarcus Tyler, 6-2, 323. Swap 2nds + Future 3rd Rnd Pick
Positives: Has a thick, squat frame with a wide bubble and midsection and thick thighs and calves, but his frame needs to drop several pounds (at maximum growth potential) to improve his adequate speed … Tough competitor who fights hard until the whistle (but has stamina issues and tires late in games) … Combative with his hands and uses his frame well to split double teams … Has good initial quickness off the snap and can occupy multiple blockers, doing a good job of stacking and controlling in the trenches … His first step lets him gain advantage over the center (when lined head-up) and helps him apply pocket pressure … More of a one-gap type with the power to maintain position, but is more productive when stationary at the line than on the move … Explosive with his hands, generating a strong punch to shock and jolt … Keeps his pad level down to fire off the snap and hit the offensive lineman with a thud on his rise … More effective neutralizing the down blocker than vs. movement … Active with his hands in attempts to hold ground and gain leverage … His low center of gravity lets him gain that movement and disrupt the flow of the inside ground game … Improved his hand placement in 2006 and showed effective bull rush skills … Good stack-and-shed type in one-one-one confrontations, as he consistently gets under the blockers' pads to push them back into the pocket … Shows decent balance moving off the blocker and has adequate feet to work his way through trash … Very effective at shooting the gaps due to his straight-line surge (much slower when coming off the edge) … Also has adequate ability to get off blocks and make plays inside the tackles … Has the strength to collide, grab and drag down the ball carrier with one arm … Physical striker who uses his body well to get results … If coming over center or the inside gaps, he has enough explosion to get to the three-step quarterbacks (feet die out going long distances, though) … Shows good rip, club and across-face moves in attempts to penetrate (more of a bulldozer type pushing the pocket) … Showed some improvement in 2006 using his hands to gain position, but still needs to be more active with them … Has a good understanding for taking angles and slanting when attacking the creases.

Negatives: Needs to show better maturity off the field … Has a punishing hand punch, but short-arms too much, causing him to struggle when trying to shed … Lacks that instinctive feel for the ball and is slow to react to misdirection … Struggles to keep his feet when having to pursue long distances (gets narrow in his base and fails to protect his feet on the move) … While he will short-arm at times, he also gets too overextended with his hands, taking wild swipes in hopes to land on a moving target … Has good body mass, but has had weight issues in the past and needs to get on a nutritional and conditioning program (body is at maximum growth potential and he all but disappears late in the games when he tires) … Will give up his body too much working down the line and is too slow to be an effective pass rusher outside the box … Will lunge at ball carriers and try to drag the opponent down rather than securely wrap … Even with his hand punch, he is slow to engage with his hands … Struggles in the classroom and might have problems with a complicated playbook … Will go into a shell at times, as he shies away from hard coaching, but is best when he has someone monitoring him (not a self-motivated starter).

Compares To: Tank Johnson -- Chicago … There is a reason both are named "Tank," as each is a load to move out of occupied space. Both are better when staying at the line of scrimmage, where they are very effective at splitting double teams and moving the pile. Johnson is much quicker than Tyler, but Tyler has that brute strength to consistently walk the blocker back. He has a strong hand punch, but will get out of control with his hands, taking wild swipes that rarely connect. He has also had a few incidents that bring up the character red flag. If you are looking for a movement-oriented defensive tackle, Tyler is not your man. However, if you want someone to tie up multiple blockers, that is where he excels. Still, he lacks the ability to recognize plays as they develop and needs to take better care of his body, as he has had weight control issues.

http://media.libsyn.com/media/packpride/ProDay/Tank1.jpg

http://media.libsyn.com/media/packpride/ProDay/Tank3.jpg

http://media.libsyn.com/media/packpride/ProDay/Tank4.jpg

I've been a big fan of Tank for a long time and no matter what TNew says, I have my doubts that he'll be there for us in the second round. We will and we should make a move up to take him. Once he's off the board, the next NT won't be off the board until late Round 4/Round 5. I love the fact that he made those around (Mario Williams, Manny Lawson, John McCargo, Oliver Hoyte, Steven Tulloch) him high impact players without seeking any glory for himself. Packed with Power, Tank has the nasty demeanor that a NT needs. I would say his nastiness easily exceeds that of Alan Branch.



Rnd 3 - DB Tanard Jackson, 6-0, 192.
Positives: Long armed, with a smooth total body musculature … Rare size and size potential at the position at 6-foot, 195 pounds … Very good body control and overall quickness … Can mirror the receiver at the line of scrimmage and has a smooth swivel to turn and run … At his best in zone coverage … Good diagnostic skills … Reads the quarterback's eyes well and can break on the ball … Reads the action, but remains disciplined and is rarely out of position … Good overall tackler, though he can get in some trouble when he tries to lay the boom … Physical tackler and likes to intimidate his opponent with his striking ability … Rare toughness in run support.

Negatives: Lacks timed speed … Might be best suited to zone-coverage scheme as he loses ground as the route lengthens … Has improved his hands, but isn't a natural receiver … Seems much more interested in tackling the receiver than going for the ball … Has only five career interceptions and finished with only six total pass breakups this season (including two interceptions).

Tanard very well may not last this long in the draft despite his warts, however, I'm going to project this anyways for the time being. I think he's one of the underrated corners in the draft and I especially like his projection to FS which could turn into be very handy down the line. I like his tenacity on the field, he's a great wrap up tackler and appears very athletic and coordinated.


Rnd 4 - RT Brandon Frye, 6-4, 302.
Frye is a powerful offensive lineman who patiently waited for an opportunity to start, finally earning the left offensive tackle assignment as a senior. The son of former Clemson and Kansas City Chiefs (1979-82) wide receiver, Stan Rome, Frye's final season was limited to 11 games due to a right elbow dislocation and ankle sprain that forced him to miss two entire games and parts of another.

While still a neophyte on the football field, Frye boasted impressive training-room numbers. Despite weighing 311 pounds, he was recently clocked at 4.77 in the 40-yard dash. He boasts a 485-pound bench press, 705-pound squat and a 294-power clean. Few collegiate offensive linemen have the leaping ability (34 inches) this impressive youngster possesses.

Frye was listed as one of the top 50 seniors in the state by South Carolina Prep Football during his senior year at Myrtle Beach High School. He was picked to that publication's Class AAA all-state team, earned all-region honors and was named to the WPDE all-zone team. He was also a member of the National Science Honors Society.

In 2003, Frye earned Iron Hokie (top conditioning performance) honors during the offseason. He turned in a 445-pound bench press and a 600-pound back squat and had the best vertical jump (33½ inches) and 40-yard dash time (4.85) among the offensive linemen.

The following season, Frye set an offensive-line position record with a 690-pound squat. He played in four games as a reserve offensive tackle, logging 62 offensive snaps and 46 on special teams in 2004. In 2005, he appeared in nine games as a reserve offensive tackle. He earned Super Iron Hokie honors in the weight room and was the recipient of the Excalibur Award -- the top honor in Tech's strength and conditioning program -- for the second time.

Pro Day: 4.77 in the 40-yard dash … 485-pound bench press … 705-pound squat … 294-pound power clean … 324-pound push jerk … 34-inch vertical jump … 4.31 20-yard shuttle … 32 5/8-inch arm length … 9½-inch hands … Right-handed … Wears contacts … 29/38 Wonderlic score.

Compares To: Jordan Gross, Carolina -- Gross is a much more polished product than Frye, but like Gross, Frye will likely have a better pro future at right tackle than on the left side. Both base their game on a blend of exceptional foot quickness and raw power. Frye has yet to develop proper hand technique and will sometimes look like Bambi staring down the headlights of a truck on the highway, but it is evident the physical talent is there. He did not get to start until his senior year and it was marred by two injuries that cost him time. With patient coaching, someone could unearth that hidden talent.

During the Columbo waiting game, I started upping my interest in searching for RT prospects. Along the way, this guy caught my attention. Ever since then, I have held him in very high regard for a late round selection. This selection here would solidify our RT spot that has been just as big of a pain as FS over the years. ...from Solomon Page, to Oliver Ross, to Ryan Young, to Jacob Rogers, to Torrin Tucker, to Jason Fabini, to Ryan Petitte, to now Columbo who is on a short 2 year contract... it's safe to say we've had a high turnover rate at RT trying to solve the position. One thing that Columbo lacks is the ability to maul defenders in the running game. Frye is a raw prospect with extremely great measurables but also with relatively short experience on the OL. Sitting behind Columbo for a couple years will allow him to grow in the position, but at the same time, I think he could step in right away in case of injury. I love the depth that's shaping up along the OL.


Rnd 5 - OLB Jay Moore, 6-5, 276
Often overshadowed by All-American Adam Carriker at the other defensive end position for the Huskers, Moore is called a high-energy type by the coaching staff whose ability to neutralize the outside running game was a big reason for the team's success in 2006.

The "open" defensive end position that Moore played allowed him to freelance quite a bit, and his change-of-direction agility saw him make more than half of his career tackles out of his own territory. The defense's "bend, but don't break" approach and Moore's range along the perimeter helped keep the opponents from finding the end zone often, as the Huskers ranked second in the Big 12 Conference and 24th nationally, allowing only 18.29 points per game in 2006.

In 37 games at Nebraska, Moore started 30 times. He delivered 103 tackles (53 solos) with 12 sacks for minus-84 yards and 38 stops for losses totaling 145 yards. He had 22 quarterback pressures and eight pass deflections. He returned one of his three fumble recoveries 17 yards and one interception six yards while also causing four fumbles.

Positives: Has a well built frame with long arms, good bubble, solid upper body muscle tone and tapered thighs and calves … High-energy type who plays until the whistle and has a good work ethic, putting in extra hours in the training and film rooms … Emotional sparkplug for the team who has great range and outstanding quickness for a player his size, and those assets could see him utilized as a Mike Vrabel type (Patriots) as an outside linebacker … Determined edge rusher with rare speed for this position, showing the fluid and flexible moves sliding down the line or when dropping back in pass coverage … Plays at a low pad level and has good play recognition skills, as he is rarely fooled by misdirection or play action … Grant Wistrom-type (Seattle) with the sudden surge to consistently split double coverage, using his hands effectively to disengage … Does a good job knifing into the backfield, displaying a strong hand punch and proper technique dipping his shoulder inside … Cuts through traffic to chase ball carriers down in the backfield and looks fluid redirecting to give chase and make plays working down the line of scrimmage … Snaps his hips sharply and extends his arms to wrap and jolt the opponent in run force, keeping his pads down to hit and wrap securely … His burst off the line is evident by his urgency slipping off blocks to close and collapse the pocket … His hands and upper body strength help him gain leverage, but he is more effective on the move than when working in-line … Has the nimble feet and takes good angles to keep containment vs. the outside run and his loose hips let him get back to the cutback lanes … Might be better suited for a 3-4 scheme, as he has the quickness to drop back as an outside linebacker and the strength to stack and control the perimeter blockers … Another reason for a potential move to linebacker is the way he uses his speed to mirror the tight end running down the seams … Not really much of a bull rusher, but will not hesitate to stick his hat into the pile … Showed marked improvement delivering the up field shoulder in attempts to flatten and get to the quarterback.

Negatives: Has problems when moving in-line, as he does not have the bulk to keep leverage when combating double teams (will short-arm at times, leaving him exposed to the cut block) … Can hold his ground on the edge, but will get too tall at times trying to bull rush and this allows blockers to stand him up at the line of scrimmage … Needs to quickly find the clean lane in backside pursuit, as he might have good speed, but fails to show suddenness in his backside pursuit to close in a hurry (tends to take a wide loop to the pocket) … High-energy type, but will get a little reckless at times and over-pursue … Has a strong hand punch, but is better chasing down the ball rather than engaging the blockers, as he needs to show better rip and swim moves to avoid or he can get walled off.

Moore is sort of the Ed McMahon to Adam Carriker's Johnny Carson … He lets others get the recognition, and while he might lack the physically imposing body that Carriker has, he compensates with a high motor and outstanding range … Yes, he's a bit of an overachiever and can get out of control when pursuing a quarterback, but if given a clean path to the ball, he will do whatever it takes to make the play … He is the type who won't be your best lineman, but he will create a spark up front … For teams using a 3-4 alignment, Moore's speed and ability to drop back in pass coverage might make him a more inviting target than to those that play with just a base defense.


Rnd 6 - C/G Dustin Fry, 6-2, 326.
Positives: Lacks muscle tone, but has good overall body thickness, long arms, natural strength, round midsection, thick hips, thighs and calves and big bubble. … Has good knee bend and balance for a player with his girth, showing good quickness firing off the snap to block in space. … Has adequate foot movement in his kick slide and does a good job of mirroring the defender in one-on-one action. … Plays with a nasty streak and likes to use his hand punch to shock and jolt. … Made good strides as a senior to improve his marginal hand placement, appearing to be more active shooting and recoiling his hands with force. … Uses his leg drive to wall off and turn the defender while maintaining position, doing a nice job of coming off the snap to reach the interior defender. … Gets out of his stance nicely, generating good explosion to generate movement off the snap for the running game, showing functional quickness in the short area. … Uses his hands properly to set, pop and stop the bull rush charge, and learned in 2006 how to use his body mass to deliver more force behind his blocks. … Despite his girth, he demonstrates decent knee bend and flexibility, staying low in his anchor. … Plays flat-footed, making good body adjustments in his lateral slide and rolls his hips and punches with his hands to drive the defender off the ball. … Very effective at bumping the defensive tackle, climbing into the short area and redirecting to hit and land on targets in space. … Tough lineman who will compete and challenge defenders. … Smart and very instinctive, making all of the calls at the line, rarely making any assignment mistakes. … Hard worker in the weight room whose 500-pound bench press ranks among the all-time best by a Clemson player. … Has the leg base to keep his balance dropping back in pass protection (will get jerked forward by a defender when he gets too tall in his stance, though). … Does a nice job of incline blocking, adjusting to stunts on the move.

Negatives: Inconsistent getting to the second level, lacking the sustained speed. Tends to get top heavy, crossing his feet and narrowing his base to make it easy for defenders to pull him down to the ground. … While he has a good hand punch, he will overextend, causing him to not sustain blocks for long. … Relies more on strength; he is not known for getting position and finessing his man. … Trips over his feet trying to get out to neutralize the linebackers. … Has an effective hand jolt, but will still revert to catching the defender rather than rocking him back at times. … Must learn to play at a lower pad level; he gets too upright in his stance. … Can handle defenders one-on-one, but is susceptible to the speed move. … Good on the short pull, but struggles to locate linebackers; he tends to keep his head down moving up field. … Has improved his hand placement, but needs to reset them quicker in order to defeat counter moves.

Fry plays with a lot of aggression. He is not the most sound-blocking technician (he is still learning proper hand technique), but has the strength and hand punch to shock and jolt defenders with consistency. He is very quick firing off the ball to lock on to the 1 tech defender working inside, but outside of the short pull, he doesn't have the foot speed to be effective blocking in the second level. He compensates for a lack of ideal quickness with brute strength, but when he gets too high in his stance, he can be walked back into the pocket, evident by his struggles holding off the bull rush in Senior Bowl practices.

ProDay Workout: 5.27 in the 40-yard dash. … 500-pound bench press. … Bench presses 225 pounds 42 times. … 655-pound squat. … 410-pound hang clean. … 27-inch vertical jump. … 7-foot-6 broad jump. … 32 3/8-inch arm length. … 9¾-inch hands. … Right-handed.

Fry gives the Cowboys some depth at Center with the versatility to play Guard. Much of the Clemson's success running with the football is because of Fry's dominance in the middle, where more than 60 percent of the Tigers' ground yardage was attained in 2006. The hard-nose drive blocker helped elevate the team's rushing attack to fifth in the nation with 217.85 yards per game, a far cry from the Tigers' 100th place ranking during Fry's sophomore season in 2004 (team averaged 107.55 yards that year).



Rnd 6 OLB - Melila Purcell, 6-4, 276.
Good size. Great motor. A player who was very, very good in 2004 before injuries started to take their toll. Came back with a very, very solid senior season. 60 Tackles, 15.5 TFL, 10.5 Sacks, 16 QBH, 4 FF... Naturally strong and quick. Can dominate when healthy. Holds the point of attack well. Great size potential. Natural pass rusher who just keeps coming. Solid against the run. Excellent leaper who gets in passing lanes and wreaks havoc batting balls down. Very athletic for a man of his size. Plays hurt. Gives you everything he has. Injuries really slowed his progress in '05 and early in '06, and he did not look like half the player he was in the second half over the first few games of '06. Played with a huge thigh wrap at times. He will be a guy who the medical report will be more important for than anything else he does the rest of the season or in the post-season. Sky is the limit if he checks out and regains all of his former aggressivness. He doesn't get the rep that Alama-Francis has because he's being graded as an undersized DE... But put him at OLB in the 3-4 and he'll tear it up. My favorite player on the Hawaii Defense and a total maniac on the field. I played basketball against his team and he dunked on us 3 times... He's so athletic it's not funny. He will be a steal for someone if they use him correctly. Wade Phillips would have a field day with him!



Rnd 7 - QB Toby Korrodi, 6-3, 234.
Positives: Has long arms and a strong wrist to get the ball out quickly in his release … Has nimble feet sliding in the pocket and the leg drive to break tackles in the short run … Moves effectively driving back from center to his pass-set point, demonstrating good body control and agility in and out of the pocket … Smooth and efficient driving back quickly from center … Sets up quickly, whether in a three- or five-step drop and gets into position and is ready to throw … Gets good depth in his pass drops and shows balance when planting his feet and stepping into his throws … Does an excellent job of scanning the field and seeing the pre-snap coverage and is not only quick to react, but will usually have the right answer … Demonstrates good judgment under pressure and is quick to throw the ball away rather than take the sack … Has a compact, three-quarter delivery with good arm snap and a smooth release … Quick getting the ball out and shows the smooth mechanics to throw a tight spiral that consistently gets out in time … Has that loose arm needed to throw with a tight circle and a quick, compact motion that lets the ball effortlessly come off his fingers … Does not need to wind up to throw the deep outs and has more than enough arm strength to control the secondary with his deep ball touch … Has the velocity on his underneath and intermediate throws to lead the receivers … Possesses the accuracy to pinpoint his tosses and is very good at sticking the ball into tight windows with great zip and touch … Quick flicking the ball out on dump-offs, shovel and screen passes, knowing when he needs to take something off his throws to make the ball catchable … The ball comes off his hand with a tight spiral and is easy for his receivers to catch … Does a nice job of keeping the ball away from the defender and directing it over the outside shoulder of his targets … Tough under fire and does not panic when the pocket collapses, showing the ability to run and unload … His ability to keep his head up to properly scan the field and quick decision-making process lets him make proper reads and locate his secondary targets … Because of his good understanding of protections, he knows how to step up in the pocket.

Negatives: Has a tall, thick frame with marginal muscle tone … Needs to concentrate on improving his strength, as he has room on his frame to develop better definition … Not a threat as a runner, but has enough movement skills to step up and avoid the rush … Earlier in his career, he held the ball too long, resulting in 26 sacks and 13 fumbles as a freshman, but he continued to improve throughout his career … Will never win a foot race into the second level, and while he is a good ball handler with the savvy to carry out fakes, he is not even remotely considered a threat to run with the ball … Has enough athletic agility to stay away from the pass rush, but is not able to go long distances before he is caught … Shows accuracy throwing on the run, but needs to find that target quickly, as he is not able to stay alive for long trying to escape a fierce rush … Best when not playing in an offense that will feature option and quarterback draw plays.

With the success of Tony Romo, I think the Cowboys are more inclined than other teams to get a player from a lower division. Korrodi is a gamer with a lot of upside and a lot of success where he's played.

Rnd 7 - FB Regan Mauia, 6-0, 280, Hawaii.
This guy used to play NT at 350 pounds, but shed 70 pounds and turned into one of the nastiest fullbacks I've ever seen. He's like an extra lineman out there. Absolutely destroys anyone coming near the QB and will block the dickens out of defenders in the running game... when he has the ball in his hands, he's like a human bulldozer. Seriously, he's a weapon out on the field.


Rnd 7 - TE Tyler Ecker, 6-6, 251
Backup TE, nothing more.



Recap:
1. LT Joe Staley
2. NT Tank Tyler
3. DB Tanard Jackson
4. RT Brandon Frye
5. LB Jay Moore
6. C/G Dustin Fry
6. OLB Melila Purcell
7. QB Toby Korrodi
7. FB Reagan Mauia
7. TE Tyler Ecker

* Scouting Reports from NFL.com

D-Unit
03-27-2007, 04:05 AM
I know, that was my attempt at making fun of the Texans. I think they get almost everything wrong, and was trying to make a funny!
They are pretty messed up over there.

thule
03-27-2007, 04:40 PM
Respect your thoughts thule. I have a different taste in prospects from you. In my mind, the first thing that a prospect has to show me is production on the field. The measurables are there to justify the talent. That's not to say that a person with incredible measurables and a shaky work resume won't make it. Just a different approach at measuring prospects, I guess.

Names like McCauley, Robison, Manny Ramirez... have great measureables & numbers, but I would not touch them unless it was a steal. However, I've made it known how I like prospects like Daymeion Hughes, Demarcus Tyler, Reggie Nelson despite the knocks that have hit them during this grading out process. I've stuck by them through thick and thin.

I'm with you on the LT concerns as I just noted in my last post. I think there is a real chance that Free will be available when we're on the clock in Rnd 3. One thought that crosses my mind is that if we lost Flozell then we free up a ton of cap to spend on to spend on a new LT in FA... However on the other hand, we do need to dish out some pricey extensions...Romo... Newman... etc... oh the fun!!! Jerry Jones is one lucky bastard.

Ya we do have a different taste I agree. I think LSU probably has the closest to my draft views...with drafting to improve the overall talent on our team. Your not far off that base either...you just like your production.

McCauley did have production tho...as a junior almost noone tested him. I really feel in love with the fresno state duo last year...and was pretty high on Marshall...but we never really had a chance at him where his value fit. One of my favorite things to do was watch McCauley at the Senior Bowl. Everyone was knocking him but when he playing up in your face smashmouth football noone could beat him....and if he got beat playing in off coverage he still almost always made a play on the ball.

Robinson might not have that impressive of stats...as far as sacks go...but I really think he lost some of his attributes playing with his hand on the ground.
In 49 games at Texas, Robison started 36 times (three at inside linebacker, 33 at right end). He recorded 181 tackles (106 solos) with 15 sacks for minus-121 yards and 41 stops for losses totaling 171 yards. He added 57 quarterback pressures, a 2-yard interception return and eight pass deflections. He caused four fumbles and recovered two others, advancing one recovery nine yards. He also blocked six kicks.

I'm also a fan of Woodley...just really hate his size. Robinson is a guy who could develop into a SOLB...Woodley would never be anything more than a situational player. I agree with you from the other thread...that woodley is stout against the run...but like you said...coverage is scary.

But as you know I have some other rush backers I'm high on. Victor Abiamiri is a guy I haven't been as vocal about but I also love him and think he could make a great future SOLB while working as a situational passrusher early on in his career.
In 49 games at Notre Dame, Abiamiri started 30 times. He registered 128 tackles (84 solos) with 20 1/2 sacks for minus-174 yards and 40 stops for losses totaling 219 yards. He was credited with 21 quarterback pressures, three forced fumbles and two pass deflections in over 936 minutes of action.

Dan Bazuin has lost some of his hype with me. I really like the guy and think he is a real good player...but like Woodley I don't exactly see his future as an everydown SOLB. He might be limited to 60% of the defensive snaps...and I want a guy who can contribute early...but be that guy when his time has come.
Bazuin started every game he played in (47) at Central Michigan, including 38 consecutive at one point. He recorded 261 tackles (132 solos) as he set school career-records with 35 1/2 sacks for minus-268 yards, 63 1/2 stops for losses of 354 yards and 10 forced fumbles. He added seven quarterback pressures with six fumble recoveries, including one that he returned for a touchdown. He deflected nine passes and blocked four kicks.

If we are talking about my favorite rush backer in the class. It is Spencer. He just has that tenacity that I really don't see in the other guys. He also carries himself with swagger which is good to see. Not sure how long he will be on the board...but for sure won't make it out of the 30's if he even makes it there. But if for some reason we shy away from CB in the first...this would become my second option.
In 47 games at Purdue, Spencer started 36 times. He registered 155 tackles (106 solos) with two fumble recoveries, 13 pass deflections and a blocked kick. He ranks fifth in school history with 21 sacks for minus-147 yards and finished seventh on the Purdue career-record chart with 44 stops for losses totaling 241 yards. His 11 forced fumbles rank second in school history.

If I was the GM this year...I would try to land a mid-early third try to get up about 10 spots like i said in my mock. Try to get one future day 1 pick...So we would be around the 30 range...and then also move up in the mid 40 range. That should get us great value at all 3 positions I'm targetting for the first day...LT Rush Backer and CB.

mtmock
03-27-2007, 05:49 PM
new mock:
r.1: Ted Ginn; our only weak spot(we have no holes currently)is the return game. jerry would be exstatic if ginn falls to 22.ginn should eventually develop in to a big contributor, like a santana moss, for us in 2-3 years,for now just mostly a #3 slot guy, and a dynamic return artist.
r.2:Justin Blalock; Jerry is in love with this guy and might trade up for him...if we trade into r.2 i see this guy as our pick...if we stay jerry will pray he falls this far.
r.3:lamaar wodley; had a great pro day and had 10+ sacks last year...can be our 3-4 linebacker.

TNewFan41
03-27-2007, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't mind that draft because of round 2 and 3, but I hate ginn. Oh and THule, you are the best poster on this site. Keep it up.

Go Cowboys
03-29-2007, 07:16 PM
1. Justin Blalock, OG/OT, Texas:
Reasons He will be there: Getting the shaft just like Jonathan Scott last year because for some reason Texas Lineman just don't impress people after the season.
Reasons to Draft him: He can play both Guard and Tackle which is a great depth piece. Is a physical specimen and is one of the strongest guys coming into the draft. He is the top Guard by some experts or a 2nd round pick by others. He can be the building block we can put into the line in a year or two, after learning the scheme and become dominant with some help around him, much like Larry Allen was for many years.

2. Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
Reasons he will be there: His stock has dropped from a top corner to maybe not even top 5 at corner. He struggles in some coverages against some players because of lack of confidence. Has played weaker competition.

Reasons to draft him: He is a ideal fit for a 3-4 corner, he has the size to hang with bigger receivers, he is a strong tackler, and he is very good in man to man coverage. He can be the building block to replace Aaron Glenn in a few years, or even Anthony Henry in a couple years.

3. Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
Reasons to draft him: He is a solid player who can control the game by himself with very few weapons so just imagine what he can do with Owens, Glenn, Crayton, Witten, Fasano, Barber, and Jones. Can be a solid backup and spot starter if needed (Plus a safety valuve if Romo goes down and Johnson is bad or Romo wants a new contract we can't pay.

4. Antonio Johnson, DT, Mississippi State
Reason to draft: Possible replacement for Fergy and has great frame to add weight for the 3-4.

5. Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State
Reason to draft: Great speed, great athlete and possible #2 in the future.

6a. Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson
Reason to draft: Solid player who can contribute and be a solid depth player for a few years.

6b. Craig Dahl, S/OLB, North Dakota State
Reason to draft: Solid player who can play safety or Linebacker and could make a good special teams player.

7a. D.D. Terry, RB, Sam Houston State
Reason to draft: Guy who can come in and compete for the #3 RB spot and kick return.

7b. James Jones, WR, San Jose State
Reason to draft: Can be a return man and could make an impact or be a Practice Squad guy.

7c. Mel Purcell, DE, Hawaii
Reason to draft: If nothing else can provide competition at end.

FAs to watch
Syndric Steptoe, WR, Arizona
Kurt Quarterman, OG, Louisville
Lyle Sendilien, C, Texas
Ramell Meekins, DE/OLB, Rutgers
Tauren Charles, OLB, Bethuane-Cookman
Korey Hall, MLB, Boise State
Joseph Garcia, CB, Nevada
Andrew Wellock, K, Eastern Michigan

thule
03-29-2007, 07:19 PM
Not buying into the Edwards hype?

I'm gonna say right now...Edwards won't make it to our third round pick.

Paul
03-29-2007, 07:21 PM
I'm reserving this next spot for my next Cowboys mock.

ummm...why not just post it whenever your finish it...annnddd we will read it...wherever it maybe on this thread? Just a thought. Reserving a spot just for a post seems kind of pretentious and just plain silly.

D-Unit
03-29-2007, 11:32 PM
ummm...why not just post it whenever your finish it...annnddd we will read it...wherever it maybe on this thread? Just a thought. Reserving a spot just for a post seems kind of pretentious and just plain silly.
Well I thought I was gonna get to it a lot earlier. ...and I like the convenience of finding it at the top of the page for easy reference... Like I know my last mock is at the top of pg.4.

So just shut up about me being pretentious and just plain silly. That's an offensive comment. There is a method behind all my madness.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-30-2007, 12:12 AM
Come on. D-Unit.....I am dying to see your mock draft. Also-are you projecting trades, or will it be straight up? I ask cause I think you have talked about the boys trading up.

slimx37
03-30-2007, 01:40 PM
ok i will give it a shot
Rd. 1 cris houston cb
rd 2. sidney rice wr
Rd. 3. lamarr woodley

thule
03-30-2007, 03:40 PM
This isn't a Cowboys mock but I just thought I would throw it out there....


1 Oakland – JaMarcus Russel, QB, LSU
2 Atlanta (from Detroit) – Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland – Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
4 Tampa Bay – Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
5 Arizona – Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
6 Washington – Jamaal Anderson, DE, Alabama
7 Minnesota – Laron Landry, S, LSU
8 Detriot (from Atlanta from Houston) – Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
9 Miami – Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
10 Houston (from Atlanta) – Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
11 San Francisco – Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
12 Buffalo – Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
13 St. Louis – Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss

If the draft falls like this...which isn't out of the realm this really puts Carolina in a pickle. Olsen would be a reach...Nelson might be the pick...but I still find this early....In my mock Dallas trades up for Branch....just saying that it is possible.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-30-2007, 04:12 PM
Stop Thule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are making me excited!!!!!!!!!!

I want Branch!!!!!!!!!!!

thule
03-30-2007, 04:14 PM
Stop Thule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are making me excited!!!!!!!!!!

I want Branch!!!!!!!!!!!

Value stack up about right too...it would put them in the right position to draft Nelson or Olsen or a Big WR...it would likely cost us 22 and 53...which isn't so unthinkable.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-30-2007, 04:20 PM
Thule, where can i see your mock draft???? I must have missed it.

Achilles33
03-30-2007, 04:20 PM
Here is an interesting mock from the FWST:

http://www.star-telegram.com/388/story/45062.html

Has us taking Dwayne Bowe. I like it.

thule
03-30-2007, 04:29 PM
Thule, where can i see your mock draft???? I must have missed it.

I'm working on it...wanna get a third round and preliminary 4th round set up before I put it out.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
03-30-2007, 04:32 PM
Excellent.

Achilles33
03-30-2007, 04:41 PM
Hey guys, read this, from a chat at ESPN.com:

Adam (Jacksonville): Is Reggie Nelson the pick for the Jags at 17???

SportsNation Jeremy Green: (4:30 PM ET ) Nelson appears to be dropping because of the 12 he scored on the Wonderlic. I have watched the tape and do not see anything that tells me he is not smart enough to play at the next level. He is dropping though. They also need a DE and I think Carriker could easily go here.

And here is another one:

Brad (Philly): Any chance Reggie Nelson slips to the Eagles at #26? Kiper has them taking Steve Smith (WR) but there's no way, right?

SportsNation Jeremy Green: (5:12 PM ET ) He is sliding right now. Had a low test score. I don't think the Eagles go WR at this point. I think Safety or LB are more likely. When you are at that point in the draft you will take the highest rated player on the board though and keep in mind the Eagles love to go OL or DL.

Maybe we do have a chance at Nelson!

mtmock
03-30-2007, 07:09 PM
cowboys mock as of 3/30:
1:Dwayne Jarrett/WR/The 1 and only SC
2:TRADE UP:Justin Blalock/G/T/UT *We lose our original second,r.4,one of our r.6
3:Ikaika Alama-Francis/DE/OLB/Hawaii
4:TRADED
5:Le'Ron McClain/Fb/Alabama
6:Traded
6:Paul Soliai/DT/Utah
7:Courtney Brown/CB/Cal Poly
7:Isaiah Stanback/QB/UW
7:Mike Otto/OT/Purdue

D-Unit
03-30-2007, 08:39 PM
Alrighty.... New mock Posted.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2162&page=9

mtmock
03-30-2007, 10:26 PM
id like staley if we traded down....if we trade up i like Tank, i think allison, jarrett, blalock have to be considered depending on how hogh we trade up r.2

Paul
03-30-2007, 10:31 PM
id like staley if we traded down....if we trade up i like Tank, i think allison, jarrett, blalock have to be considered depending on how hogh we trade up r.2

So you would want us to trade up for Tank, Allison and Blalock?:confused:

D-Unit
03-30-2007, 10:42 PM
id like staley if we traded down....if we trade up i like Tank, i think allison, jarrett, blalock have to be considered depending on how hogh we trade up r.2
If Staley lasts to us it would be smart to take him there as KC might snag him soon after.

Paul
03-30-2007, 11:15 PM
I like the Staley idea. Your financial breakdown of it sold me. Wouldn't mind if we got him.

FinChase
03-31-2007, 08:41 AM
Interesting article about the draft from the FW S-T:

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/52969.html

mtmock
03-31-2007, 11:09 AM
So you would want us to trade up for Tank, Allison and Blalock?:confused:

NOOOO. Not all of them just 1 of them

Paul
03-31-2007, 11:32 AM
NOOOO. Not all of them just 1 of them

I Meant or, but i'm saying we would not need to trade up to get them. We could probably trade down.

mtmock
03-31-2007, 12:38 PM
I Meant or, but i'm saying we would not need to trade up to get them. We could probably trade down.

TRADE DOWN FOR TANK OR BLALOCK? UR KIDDING RIGHT

Achilles33
03-31-2007, 08:50 PM
McShay and Kiper both have Nelson go 28 to the Pats in their latest mock......

What do you think of that??...

Paul
03-31-2007, 10:12 PM
TRADE DOWN FOR TANK OR BLALOCK? UR KIDDING RIGHT

Do you know the difference between trading down and trading up? Tradeing down would be to move down the draft board for a later pick. Trading up is to trade for an earlier pick.

mtmock
03-31-2007, 11:11 PM
Do you know the difference between trading down and trading up? Tradeing down would be to move down the draft board for a later pick. Trading up is to trade for an earlier pick.

no really? u said we could even trade down and get blalock and Tank they wont be there that late in r.2. Do you know the difference!?!?

Paul
03-31-2007, 11:36 PM
no really? u said we could even trade down and get blalock and Tank they wont be there that late in r.2. Do you know the difference!?!?

Well theres the problem, I thought you were talking about the 1st round the whole time. My b.

D-Unit
04-01-2007, 03:31 AM
1. LT Joe Staley - Smart pick... not very sexy.
2. NT Tank Tyler - Desperation pick... w/out Branch, we NEED him.
3. DB Tanard Jackson - Emotional leader has FS versatility.
4. RT Brandon Frye - My favorite RT prospect in the draft.
5. LB Jay Moore - Mike Vrabel like player, can play ILB or OLB.
6. C/G Dustin Fry - Relentless aggressive player can provide solid depth.
6. OLB Melila Purcell - Homer pick :D
7. QB Toby Korrodi - Highly accurate gun slinger.
7. FB Reagan Mauia - Another homer pick, would be dreamy.
7. TE Tyler Ecker - Just a name.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2162&page=9

I'm sorry, but I want some more comments. LOL!

Achilles33
04-01-2007, 08:03 AM
I like it D-Unit. We get our future LT in Staley, and he can sit and learn year and adds much needed bulk behind Flo and then Flo leaves via FA and Staley is right there for the job. Tyler is our future NT and he too can learn the nuances of being a 3-4 NT while spelling Fergy and learning from him. The Tarnard Jackson pick is great, and good value as well. He can play CB or FS, and will probably be our future FS down the line, especially if Hamlin and/or Watkins doesn't work, and can provide quality depth in the secondary everywhere but SS. My personal thinking on how to get a quality FS is to get one that is a CB but could play FS, because that means they have good cover skills, and Jackson lands right in that category. I think the Brandon Frye pick could be a little reach, but I love his athleticism and could be a good back-up. The rest of the picks can provide quality depth. I like the draft, and would be pretty happy on draft day if the pieces fell in this way. The only complaint I have is that there is no WR at all, but I guess that means we are going with a round 1 WR next year, so I don't have a problem with it. Nice mock all around.

Modano
04-01-2007, 03:51 PM
1. LT Joe Staley - Smart pick... not very sexy.
2. NT Tank Tyler - Desperation pick... w/out Branch, we NEED him.
3. DB Tanard Jackson - Emotional leader has FS versatility.
4. RT Brandon Frye - My favorite RT prospect in the draft.
5. LB Jay Moore - Mike Vrabel like player, can play ILB or OLB.
6. C/G Dustin Fry - Relentless aggressive player can provide solid depth.
6. OLB Melila Purcell - Homer pick :D
7. QB Toby Korrodi - Highly accurate gun slinger.
7. FB Reagan Mauia - Another homer pick, would be dreamy.
7. TE Tyler Ecker - Just a name.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2162&page=9

I'm sorry, but I want some more comments. LOL!

I like Joe Staley. Right now for me it's a toss up between him and Ross. I should put Bowe here too, but I hope he goes to Tennessee or Kansas City because I want him on my fantasy team :P
Staley, btw, is a great pick. Franchise LT for the future 8 years, he could neutralize the speedy rusher who are the NFL new trend. I don't know if I prefer him or Ross. I know Ross is 24, but I think he will take over for Henry next year, and will play a good 4-5 games with Henry always being injured. I like his returning ability too, he could make a great impact here.
Tank Tyler is a good pick. I would prefere Blaylock, but as you said we NEED another NT. Maybe a let round guy like Soliai could help us too?
I don't know much about the other players you've listed, but what can you say about Purcell? He's not listed by Scott, but Hawaii runs a 3-4, doesn't it? So he knows how to rush by a stand-up position and we need anotéher DE/OLB tweener who could play some snaps.

leroyisgod
04-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Here's my latest 7 round mock

1. Robert Meachem- WR- Tennessee
2. Tank Tyler- DT- NC State
3. Dan Bazuin- DE- Central Michigan
4. Brandon Frye- T- Virginia Tech
5. Marshal Yanda- G- Iowa
6. Ray Gant- DT- Georgia
7. William ***- CB- Louisville
7. Steve Rissler- C- Florida
7. Lester Ricard- QB- Tulane

Paul
04-03-2007, 02:17 AM
New mock. (The whole name starting with "D" thing was a coincidence)

1. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU) - Strong Wideout. Will go across the middle and block for you. Very good after the catch.

2. DeMarcus Tyler (NT, NC St.) - One of top NT prospects in this draft. Stout aginast the run. Great Strength

3. Daymeion Hughes (CB, CAL) - Can't ignore his production. Extremely underrated just because of his 40-time.

4. Desmond Bishop (ILB, CAL) - Monster senior season. Great game speed. Big hitter in the middle.

5. Dustin Fry (C, Clemson) - Very good strength. Versitle so gives extra depth at either C or OG.

6. Dallas Sartz (OLB, USC) - May need to bulk up and get stronger to play OLB. But has the size and ability to do it.

6. Brian Smith (OLB, Missouri) - Very productive in his time for Missouri.The more rushers the better.

6. Roderick Rogers (S, Wisconsin) - Good measurables. Under the radar player. Sleeper

7. Drew Tate (QB, Iowa) - A gamer. Small, but maybe develop under Garrett and the rest of the staff.

7. Andrew Carnahan (OT, ARZ St) - ACL injured destroyed his stock. But still has everything you look for in a solid OT.

May have to prey for the Tank pick, but not impossible.

D-Unit
04-03-2007, 04:13 AM
New mock. (The whole name starting with "D" thing was a coincidence)

1. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU) - Strong Wideout. Will go across the middle and block for you. Very good after the catch.

2. DeMarcus Tyler (NT, NC St.) - One of top NT prospects in this draft. Stout aginast the run. Great Strength

3. Daymeion Hughes (CB, CAL) - Can't ignore his production. Extremely underrated just because of his 40-time.

4. Desmond Bishop (ILB, CAL) - Monster senior season. Great game speed. Big hitter in the middle.

5. Dustin Fry (C, Clemson) - Very good strength. Versitle so gives extra depth at either C or OG.

6. Dallas Sartz (OLB, USC) - May need to bulk up and get stronger to play OLB. But has the size and ability to do it.

6. Brian Smith (OLB, Missouri) - Very productive in his time for Missouri.The more rushers the better.

6. Roderick Rogers (S, Wisconsin) - Good measurables. Under the radar player. Sleeper

7. Drew Tate (QB, Iowa) - A gamer. Small, but maybe develop under Garrett and the rest of the staff.

7. Andrew Carnahan (OT, ARZ St) - ACL injured destroyed his stock. But still has everything you look for in a solid OT.

May have to prey for the Tank pick, but not impossible.
Lots to like, I would be happy with that.

Ward
04-03-2007, 10:46 AM
New mock. (The whole name starting with "D" thing was a coincidence)

1. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU) - Strong Wideout. Will go across the middle and block for you. Very good after the catch.

2. DeMarcus Tyler (NT, NC St.) - One of top NT prospects in this draft. Stout aginast the run. Great Strength

3. Daymeion Hughes (CB, CAL) - Can't ignore his production. Extremely underrated just because of his 40-time.

4. Desmond Bishop (ILB, CAL) - Monster senior season. Great game speed. Big hitter in the middle.

5. Dustin Fry (C, Clemson) - Very good strength. Versitle so gives extra depth at either C or OG.

6. Dallas Sartz (OLB, USC) - May need to bulk up and get stronger to play OLB. But has the size and ability to do it.

6. Brian Smith (OLB, Missouri) - Very productive in his time for Missouri.The more rushers the better.

6. Roderick Rogers (S, Wisconsin) - Good measurables. Under the radar player. Sleeper

7. Drew Tate (QB, Iowa) - A gamer. Small, but maybe develop under Garrett and the rest of the staff.

7. Andrew Carnahan (OT, ARZ St) - ACL injured destroyed his stock. But still has everything you look for in a solid OT.

May have to prey for the Tank pick, but not impossible.

Too many LBs, and I'm not a Tank Tyler fan. Good late round picks though.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-03-2007, 01:24 PM
D-unit. I like your draft. I think Staley is the right choice in the first round.
I think Tank in the second is good, and I really like Tanard Jackson in the third. That is a good pick.

But I was not happy when I saw your last two picks. I know Calvin Johnson probably wont be there in the seventh Round :) and the talent pool is getting thin. But I would rather see them take a chance on a returner.

However, that is the only thing I would be upset with in your mock. I know you arent going to find Tedd Ginn late in the seventh round, and the people in the seventh round are usually just names to me, since there is no way I have enough time to watch any tape on them.

So...if the only thing I don't like about a draft is the seventh round picks (which you probably know a lot more about them than I do), I have to say I like it.

But no Branch???????????? Whats up??????????????

You got me so primed for him.....and you let me down :)

Macarthur
04-03-2007, 01:28 PM
D-Unit, I like that too.

YOu think Tank would be there when we pick in the 2nd?

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-03-2007, 01:31 PM
New mock. (The whole name starting with "D" thing was a coincidence)

1. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU) - Strong Wideout. Will go across the middle and block for you. Very good after the catch.

2. DeMarcus Tyler (NT, NC St.) - One of top NT prospects in this draft. Stout aginast the run. Great Strength

3. Daymeion Hughes (CB, CAL) - Can't ignore his production. Extremely underrated just because of his 40-time.

4. Desmond Bishop (ILB, CAL) - Monster senior season. Great game speed. Big hitter in the middle.

5. Dustin Fry (C, Clemson) - Very good strength. Versitle so gives extra depth at either C or OG.

6. Dallas Sartz (OLB, USC) - May need to bulk up and get stronger to play OLB. But has the size and ability to do it.

6. Brian Smith (OLB, Missouri) - Very productive in his time for Missouri.The more rushers the better.

6. Roderick Rogers (S, Wisconsin) - Good measurables. Under the radar player. Sleeper

7. Drew Tate (QB, Iowa) - A gamer. Small, but maybe develop under Garrett and the rest of the staff.

7. Andrew Carnahan (OT, ARZ St) - ACL injured destroyed his stock. But still has everything you look for in a solid OT.

May have to prey for the Tank pick, but not impossible.


I love this draft. Might be my favorite one that I've seen yet!

The only thing I don't like is the first pick. So if I don't like the first pick, how can it be my favorite?

To me, I think everyone in this mock would have a CHANCE to make the team.

I am absolutely in love with Hughes in the third and Sartz and Tate. If we could come away from this draft with those three players that late, it is a good draft to me. That is great late round drafting!! You got me excited for the draft when I saw your mock.

I am not a Tank fan, either. But if Branch is not there in the first (he probably won't be), I think Tank is the only logical pick. Big drop off after him.

As I said, I love your mock. I would be upset with the first pick, but each pick there after I am sooooo good with.

I give you an A!!!!!!

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-03-2007, 01:38 PM
Too many LBs, and I'm not a Tank Tyler fan. Good late round picks though.

I agree with Ward in that there is a lot of LB's. But I am still concerned about Ellis. If he is not back 100%, I can't see the cowboys with too many LB"S on the roster.

I think Ellis makes our defense really tough. Without him, I am concerned. If there is any reason to doubt he is healthy, I have no problem going fishing for a new OLB.

I love Burnett at outside LB, and think he has all the potential in the world. But I want to be safe.

Paul
04-03-2007, 02:01 PM
Thank ya'll for the critiques. To justify the Tank pick, we have absolutely no depth at NT and picking a late round one like Echols or Soliai, may just give us another Montavious Stanley. Plus you can't deny his strength.

As for the Ward's argument about to many LB's. It is a very valid argument, and I actually thought the same when I did the mock. But I still stand by my picks, having a number of rushers will only bolster our depth. But if Carp does move inside it may cause a log jam at ILB if we do take Bishop. But that maybe a bias pick, since I'm a huge fan of his. The OLB situation is still up in the air with Ellis's injury and Carps position. Sartz and Smith should add not only talent but much needed stability there.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-03-2007, 02:54 PM
*Trade our 1st and 2nd to move up in first round.*

1st-Alan Branch NT Michigan

Best prospect at the weakest position on the team, IMO.

3rd-Daymeion Hughes CB Cal

Great value. Proved he can make plays.

4th-David Clowney WR Va Tech

Could compete for return specialist, but I think he has some potential.

5th-Doug Datsh C Ohio St.

I am not sure how versatile he will be in the pro's, but has potential and could help at other positions in a pinch.

6th-Dallas Sartz OLB USC

Should make the team, and I think he has some up side if he does.

7th-Drew Tate QB Iowa

Should make the team, and I think this is great value. Also has potential.


I am ready to be crucified. I know a few of these will not be liked by many of you. I have prepared myself.

I just can't understand why we wouldn't trade up for the best prospect at NT when we are in able to. Branch would play on our team a lot, which is more than I can say for several of the other first round prospects.

Sorry to Paul. I know I copied several of your later round picks. I just couldn't argue with darn good picks, though. Take it as a compliment.

Also, I have a second mock I will have to post that doesn't include the trade.

D-Unit
04-03-2007, 04:39 PM
D-Unit, I like that too.

YOu think Tank would be there when we pick in the 2nd?
In my mock I have us trading up for Tank in Round 2. Giving up our 2nd and a future 3rd.

D-Unit
04-03-2007, 04:41 PM
D-unit. I like your draft. I think Staley is the right choice in the first round.
I think Tank in the second is good, and I really like Tanard Jackson in the third. That is a good pick.

But I was not happy when I saw your last two picks. I know Calvin Johnson probably wont be there in the seventh Round :) and the talent pool is getting thin. But I would rather see them take a chance on a returner.

However, that is the only thing I would be upset with in your mock. I know you arent going to find Tedd Ginn late in the seventh round, and the people in the seventh round are usually just names to me, since there is no way I have enough time to watch any tape on them.

So...if the only thing I don't like about a draft is the seventh round picks (which you probably know a lot more about them than I do), I have to say I like it.

But no Branch???????????? Whats up??????????????

You got me so primed for him.....and you let me down :)
I would love Branch, but we would have to trade up. In my next mock, I'll have a trade up scenario and a staying scenario.

KILLERSANTA
04-03-2007, 05:25 PM
This is my Dream Mock(as of today):

1. Jarvis Moss - OLB - Florida

Ellis Is never going to be the same(like it or not). Think of this: Moss - Burnett - Carp - Ware...Young and very Good Linebacking core!(may take a year or 2)

James - Did good before his new deal..Then, his play went down hill. I Say Trade Him....

Ayodele - Did soild all year, Could play Great back-up

Ellis - Should play DE and be a situational pass rusher!!!(No one ever comes back 100% from a ACL....aka Takeo Spikes, Adams, ETC......

If we go O: Dwayne Jarrett

2. Tank Tyler - NT - NC State

Jason Ferguson is getting Old....Jay Ratliff is better at DE(He will beat out Spears for the starting Job)....A NT is a must on Day one!!!!!!

O: Arron Sears

3. Tony Ugoh - OT - Arkansas

Adams is not the same(ACL)/Getting older. Only has 1 year left on his contact, It's time for a new LT to protect Romo!

If we go D: Tanard Jackson

4. Dallas Barker - WR - Florida
Glenn and TO are old...Crayton is only one guy! You need 2 WR's! Austin and Hurd are great 3-4/ ST type guys, Nothing more. IMO

5. Anthony Arline - CB - Baylor

Glenn is going to houston/going to retire soon. It's time for a new nickle corner. Plus Henry isn't getting any younger

6. Mike Jones - OG - Iowa

His name is Mike Jones

7. Drew Tate - QB - Iowa

He was a teammate, of who? Mike Jones


7. Lyle Sendlein - C - Texas

We need a back-up center.

7. Larry Brown - DE - Oklahoma St.

A Soild pass rusher, plus a good run stopper!

Im_a_Romosexual
04-03-2007, 05:30 PM
This is my Dream Mock(as of today):

1. Jarvis Moss - OLB - Florida

Ellis Is never going to be the same(like it or not). Think of this: Moss - Burnett - Carp - Ware...Young and very Good Linebacking core!(may take a year or 2)

James - Did good before his new deal..Then, his play went down hill. I Say Trade Him....

Ayodele - Did soild all year, Could play Great back-up

Ellis - Should play DE and be a situational pass rusher!!!(No one ever comes back 100% from a ACL....aka Takeo Spikes, Adams, ETC......

If we go O: Dwayne Jarrett

2. Tank Tyler - NT - NC State

Jason Ferguson is getting Old....Jay Ratliff is better at DE(He will beat out Spears for the starting Job)....A NT is a must on Day one!!!!!!

O: Arron Sears

3. Tony Ugoh - OT - Arkansas

Adams is not the same(ACL)/Getting older. Only has 1 year left on his contact, It's time for a new LT to protect Romo!

If we go D: Tanard Jackson

4. Dallas Barker - WR - Florida
Glenn and TO are old...Crayton is only one guy! You need 2 WR's! Austin and Hurd are great 3-4/ ST type guys, Nothing more. IMO

5. Anthony Arline - CB - Baylor

Glenn is going to houston/going to retire soon. It's time for a new nickle corner. Plus Henry isn't getting any younger

6. Mike Jones - OG - Iowa

His name is Mike Jones

7. Drew Tate - QB - Iowa

He was a teammate, of who? Mike Jones


7. Lyle Sendlein - C - Texas

We need a back-up center.

7. Larry Brown - DE - Oklahoma St.

A Soild pass rusher, plus a good run stopper!

I could live with that. FYI Ellis tore his achilles not his ACL