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bsaza2358
04-25-2008, 01:43 PM
Please discuss actual draft day events, not offseason info.

eaglesalltheway
04-26-2008, 10:02 AM
Discuss the draft picks for the Eagles here...

brat316
04-26-2008, 02:52 PM
ahhaha man this it taking for ever

CW99
04-26-2008, 03:05 PM
Well after the 19th pick we should know whether we have gotten a WR one way or the other

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 03:50 PM
I wish the Eagles had been able to trade up for Albert. He could have had a year to develop behind Thomas and Runyan. BAH!!!

brat316
04-26-2008, 04:00 PM
KC heard the eagles moving up got nervious and moved up. I think we either move down or take Kenny maybe Thomas

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
I really want Merling here.

brat316
04-26-2008, 04:05 PM
YES we are on I am so excited

OTAH seem like the logical pic

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Otah is okay, but I love Merling. Just saying.

brat316
04-26-2008, 04:10 PM
Trade i knew it

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 04:19 PM
Eagles got blown away. Second, fourth, and next year's first.

brat316
04-26-2008, 04:23 PM
I don't think the eagles will get a top 10 pick. Maybe mid round like where they were this year

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 04:33 PM
Who cares about that? 2 #1's in a year where we need to replace OT's and safeties and maybe a DE (Howard). I like it.

EAGLES_FAN2008
04-26-2008, 04:51 PM
Let me ask everyone this what are the likelyhood of a guy like Devin Thomas going to the Eagles in the 2nd Round????

brat316
04-26-2008, 04:59 PM
I think we move up in round 1 say with Hou or SD to take Kenny or try a little later with Gb or SF

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I still love Merling best. Mark it.

EAGLES_FAN2008
04-26-2008, 05:10 PM
i do like the Phillip Merling Pick..............BUT I still feel WR is our #1 spot to fill in my eyes then go DE on the 49 pick

Also to add Eagles trade 4th round pick for Lorenzo Booker Miami RB

brat316
04-26-2008, 05:13 PM
where are you getting trade info from

eaglesalltheway
04-26-2008, 05:13 PM
Very intriguing, I wonder what the Eagles hope to get from him.

EAGLES_FAN2008
04-26-2008, 05:19 PM
NFL Network for my info

and I am assuming Booker will be #2 back behind Westbrook he has pretty good speed and isnt injury prone or at least not yet I hope not I feel he will be a good fit for the eagles.

EAGLES_FAN2008
04-26-2008, 05:39 PM
well there go Phillip Merling to Miami now qho do you feel will the eagles going after

brat316
04-26-2008, 05:42 PM
Merling is out

brat316
04-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Eagle comming up who is left DeSean Jackson value here is good as a KR, Hester was taking in the second.

Sweed is still here as well

brat316
04-26-2008, 06:27 PM
Trade again WTF make a pick already

Eaglez.Fan
04-26-2008, 06:58 PM
What the ****. We don't need a defensive tackle damnit. Even though I love Laws. But atleast we got some explosiveness with Desean.

DragonFireKai
04-26-2008, 07:01 PM
Terrible, just terrible. Jackson is the worst possible WR we could take. and don't get me started on Laws.

brat316
04-26-2008, 07:02 PM
Laws was a good pick, he will be in on Passing down.

DeSean Jackson called it, good value will return kicks. Untill Rice makes him weight more like 200 lbs and gets him to run good routes, he won't see much time as WR. Will be good on screen and trick plays. I don't think he can beat the jam.

Go_Eagles77
04-26-2008, 07:09 PM
Both of our picks could've been 1st rounders. Laws will be a great 3rd DT and Desean could be a solid receiver and a great returner for us. I didn't want him in the 1st but the 2nd is just fine for me.

DragonFireKai
04-26-2008, 07:12 PM
Laws was a good pick, he will be in on Passing down.

He's not any better a penetrator than Bunkley or Patterson, and he's worse against the run than both of them, meanwhile, we still have a hole at safety.

DeSean Jackson called it, good value will return kicks. Untill Rice makes him weight more like 200 lbs and gets him to run good routes, he won't see much time as WR. Will be good on screen and trick plays. I don't think he can beat the jam.

Kick returns might have cost us one game, but our red zone inadequacies cost us five games. Malcolm Kelly or Limas Sweed would have gone a long way towards fixing that problem. Jackson does absolutely nothing for us.

brat316
04-26-2008, 07:37 PM
I think we might get Franklin in the third. We brought in DeSean and Dexter but we don;t need two of the same type of WR. I would rather have Dexter, but its good value in mid second for Desean.

We still have lito so stuff can happen

DragonFireKai
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
I think we might get Franklin in the third. We brought in DeSean and Dexter but we don;t need two of the same type of WR. I would rather have Dexter, but its good value in mid second for Desean.

We still have lito so stuff can happen

We aren't trading Lito, especially after the players the Redskins took. We're gonna need three good corners to keep them in check.

brat316
04-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Well get Godfery tommorw. Whats with this Booker pick up

eaglesfan_45
04-26-2008, 08:12 PM
DFK, since when do rookie WR have an impact? They usually don't.

DeSean will start in the slot and at KR. I would have rather taken Sweed but.. I am really happy with DeSean

Laws will be the 3rd DT and get alot of playing time. DT was a need, both our backups aren't true DTs they should be playing DE on a 3-4 team and I think that a rotation of Bunkley, Patterson and Laws has potential to be amazing.

eaglesfan_45
04-26-2008, 08:14 PM
Well get Godfery tommorw. Whats with this Booker pick up

I really like the Booker pickup, he is similar to Westbrook and can return kicks

brat316
04-26-2008, 08:15 PM
He can returnt kicks ??? I didn't see any return stats on him

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 09:06 PM
I like Jackson's explosiveness just fine. I think he will be a consistent PR/KR, and he can be a nice decoy. The guy can flat out ball and put up good numbers in the Pac 10 this year. I would have much preferred Sweed over DJax, but he wasn't a bad pick. My #1 WR in this class is James Hardy. A little upset that they didn't go get him ahead of Buffalo.

I like Laws quite a bit. The dude can flat out penetrate, and he has an awesome motor. He will be a great addition in the DT rotation.

Throw in the fact that the Eagles added Booker to solidify the RB group, got another #1 pick next year, and they have even more ammo tomorrow, and I like this day.

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 09:15 PM
From the Eagles site on Laws:


Positives: Has a shorter-than-ideal frame, but has a thick bone structure with long arms, large hands, wide waist and hips, thick thighs and calves, very good chest, shoulder and arm muscle development ... Has outstanding strength, evident in his hand punch, and excels at using his upper-body power to slap away reach blocks on a consistent basis ... Physical bull rusher who plays with a non-stop motor ... Has a sudden burst off the snap and is constantly working his hands to gain position in attempts to split double teams ... Plays at a low pad level, showing the lateral range to make plays down the line ... Has the functional speed to pressure the pocket and takes good angles to close once he gains penetration ... Despite his size, he would be a nice fit for the three-technique due to his natural quickness flowing to the ball, hand placement and lower-body strength that he uses to get off the snap to collapse the pocket ... Showed marked improvement as a pass rusher, using a quick swim move to gain advantage over the outside shoulder fo a lineman ... Quick enough to slant and has a nifty spin move when locked on ... Has the functional strength to anchor and is combative vs. combo blocks (just needs to keep blockers off his body to have success) ... Showed better ability at left end than inside in attempts to get in the gaps and disrupt the pocket ... Plays quick, not fast, but does a good job of reading and reacting to blocks and movement when he is on the move than when anchoring inside ... When he locates the ball, he will flash good reaction and urgency to close on the play ... Better playing on the move than when sitting and reading ... Has the functional burst to catch ballcarriers from behind ... As a "three" technique, he is much better controlling inside action when he keeps his pads down ... Can split the double teams from the B-gap, but will struggle some in the A-gap ... Uses his hands effectively to control and shed (when blockers latch on to him first, he will get washed out of the play) ... When he chases from sideline to sideline, he refuses to give up on a play ... Has some problems getting through traffic, but gives good chase from the back side ... Does best on twists and games as a pass rusher and can generate a surge on the pocket ... Does a nice job of getting his hands up to deflect passes or block kicks ... Showed as a senior that he has learned how to throw a lot of motion at blockers to get a push off the snap ... Likes to power through blocks, but has improved a bit with his attempts to maintain separation and get rid of the blocker with arm-over action on the pass rush ... Takes dead aim on the quarterback once he beats the blocker off the line and has the burst to bend and close coming off edge (will struggle when having to shoot inside gaps and is better when on the outside shoulder of the blocker).
Compares To: Kelly Gregg-Baltimore ... Like Gregg, Laws was a standout wrestler during his prep days and uses that physical nature and active hands to compensate for a lack of size. He will struggle to penetrate from the A-gap, but is a disruptive defender with a good feel for blocking pressure. He has the strong anchor to stack and shed and with his upper-body strength, he has become very good at driving the ballcarrier back through the rush lane. A classic overachiever, size limits Laws as a gap player, but he has the lateral range and good concept for taking angles to be disruptive once he slips into the backfield.

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 09:16 PM
From the Eagles site on DeSean Jackson:

Positives: Lacks bulk on his lean frame, but shows good muscle tone, adequate bubble, good arm length, natural hands and tapered thighs and calves ... Split high with good leg length, as his lower body looks and runs like a sprinter's ... Has just adequate strength to fight for tough catches, but shows the sudden burst to elude in the open field ... While he has sprinter's speed, it is not like that of a normal track man, as he has a rapid stride with quick feet and the lateral agility to get in and out of a crowd with his flexible torso and hips that lets him adjust on the move ... Highly motivated and intense player who works to finish and is not afraid of contact, but needs to tone down his emotions (gets caught up in trash talk and is taken out of his game when he spends too much time jawing with an opponent) ... Gives a good effort in the training room and is an intelligent athlete who knows how to game plan for his upcoming opponent ... Can be a vocal leader when he needs to and can handle tough coaching ... Shows outstanding explosion off the snap with excellent get-off speed ... Quick-twitch type who might struggle vs. a strong press, but has the lateral agility to set up the defender and get the opponent out of his backpedal earlier than desired ... Has a good rolling burst to his break point, doing a nice job of lowering his pads throughout the route's progression ... When he sinks his pads, he is very fluid accelerating out of his breaks ... Runs posts and slants cleanly and has a good understanding for stems, sticks and leverage (must improve transition) ... Avoids defenders and works back to the pocket when the quarterback needs to scramble ... Finds and sits in soft areas, waiting for the reception and has the rare speed to close the gap on off-man coverage, as he does a good job of extending and gaining a step for the over-the-shoulder grabs ... Very creative on the move with fluid hips. He needs work on his transition cuts, but he can run past defenders on deep routes ... Has good ability to extend and pluck the ball outside his frame, especially on off motion and swing routes ... Will round routes at times, but has the ability to create separation after the catch ... Holds on to the ball after the collision and, while he will not hesitate on routes coming inside, he will lose focus when he hears the defender's feet ... Is a true threat to challenge the deep secondary, but in 2007, Cal quarterbacks could not get the ball to Jackson consistently ... Has the body control to make adjustments to the ball in flight due to his torso flexibility and adjusts fluidly to off-target throws ... Slides to catch the ball within the framework of his body and has good body control to adjust to off-target throws ... Has the ability to make the hard plant, allowing the defender to slide by and then burst around his opponent to gain extra yardage after the catch ... Does not back down and can drop his weight in front of a defender, but is just a marginal blocker.
Compares To: Steve Smith-Carolina ... Some experts compare him to Santana Moss, but he is much more explosive in his drive off the ball to the break point and brings much more value on special teams. Others liken him to Devin Hester, but he is not in that class yet as a returner and, because of size issues, he has never really taken to the kickoff-return role. Jackson is a better deep threat with better hands as a receiver than Hester. He is a few inches bigger than Smith, but both have a combination of explosive burst, quick change-of-direction agility and cutting ability to threaten the deep secondary consistently.

jefepowhnzer
04-26-2008, 09:29 PM
An OK first day. I like the Laws pick but I guess I'm just annoyed with the Jackson pick. Of all the receivers I felt he was the one that fit the team the least. Maybe it's the punt returner stigma Jackson has hanging over his head. I guess safety isn't that much of a concern, or the team feels the better value is on sunday. I do really like the fact that the team will have two picks in next years first round. Maybe they tuck away those picks and use them on a safety (someone like Myron Rolle) and OT next year.

Well the team has nine picks left. You would think that Reid would whittle that number down to 6 or 7 before days end, right? Here are my questions going into tomorrow:

I'm not sure which direction the team could go in order to address safety, if they're going to in this draft. Maybe Reggie Smith or DaJuan Morgan?

If they're going to address OT do they take a look at projects Carl Nicks, Anthony Collins or Oneil Cousins?

The team made a concerted effort to acquire a play making, red zone target WR through trades and FA but ended up taking DeSean Jackson who, for all intents and purposes, looks like a second round punt returner at this point. Can he make that catch in the corner of the end zone? Can he go across the middle consistently? Or is he just another Kevin Curtis in terms of his WR skills? Is the team still looking for a big, red zone target at WR?

Will the team add depth to an already young LB position?

I guess those are my main questions. I'm sure the team will be just as busy tomorrow as they were today.

brat316
04-26-2008, 09:32 PM
Reggie Smith is still around and Tom Zib

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 09:36 PM
I wouldn't mind Reggie Smith at all. He would be a very good FS, I think.

bsaza2358
04-26-2008, 09:37 PM
I am also shocked that Dan Connor is still around. That guy is an unbelievable talent. Whoever gets him is getting a steal.

Eaglez.Fan
04-26-2008, 09:46 PM
I honestly don't care if Laws can penetrate better. Just I would never draft a player in the 1st 2 rounds if there would be a 0% chance that he will EVER start for my team. Bunk played very well in his 2nd year and he's going to be one hell of a player. Bunk was a top 10 talent that slipped to us at 14. Patterson was 3rd in the league in tackles for a DT and still being very young. I'd want my young DT's playing as much as possible. And it's not like these guys can't rush the passer or push the pocket.

I like the depth but not for our 1st pick of the draft.

brat316
04-26-2008, 09:47 PM
Connor.... what 3 lbs were picked 2 in the top 10. and one in the second.

brat316
04-26-2008, 09:49 PM
We have no good depth at DT. And I think he was good he has a non stop motor on passing downs. He will play since we like to rotate our DTs. Bunk is good against the run, but he can't alway get through on pass plays for sacks.

Eaglez.Fan
04-26-2008, 09:51 PM
I think the eagles knew that there would be some quality safeties left in round 3. Maybe for a trade up also if they really like a guy. Josh Barrett, Reggie Smith, Thomas DeCoud, Charles Godfrey and DaJuan Morgan.

And just to get everyone in the mood..... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQca0m1Pe4g)

Eagles own the NFC East
04-26-2008, 10:27 PM
Solid day IMO... for the 2nd year in a row no one got our attention too much. Wells gives us someone in the rotation at DT and depth which I like, and DeSean Jackson pick I like, he could be our Devin Hester. Our KR game hasn't been good at all and maybe he can step in right away and fix that. He could also develop to be like Santana Moss type WR. I liked the Booker pickup to gives us a Westbrook like guy to have in case he gets hurt.

Do you guys think we are gonna trade Lito or is it too late?

eaglesfan_45
04-26-2008, 10:48 PM
He can returnt kicks ??? I didn't see any return stats on him

doesn't mean he can't return kicks.


I honestly don't care if Laws can penetrate better. Just I would never draft a player in the 1st 2 rounds if there would be a 0% chance that he will EVER start for my team. Bunk played very well in his 2nd year and he's going to be one hell of a player. Bunk was a top 10 talent that slipped to us at 14. Patterson was 3rd in the league in tackles for a DT and still being very young. I'd want my young DT's playing as much as possible. And it's not like these guys can't rush the passer or push the pocket.

I like the depth but not for our 1st pick of the draft.

Laws is not a depth pick, he will get significant playing time due to the fact the Eagles like to rotate DTs.


got another #1 pick next year


I think we completely owned Carolina in that trade.

Time to be concerned with the Panthers. What do you guys think that pick will be like? I'm thinking top- 10 if everything goes the Eagles way. There is also the possibility of the pick being in the high to mid 20's. I hope it is top 10.

The panthers have a good Offense and if they can all stay healthy then thay could be really good.
The Defense I don't know much about but I think they have an open LB spot with the departure of Morgan. The D-line has completely crashed this off season with every one leaving and Safety play isn't the best. This what I assume but I could be wrong because I don't really follow the panthers.

eaglesfan_45
04-26-2008, 11:55 PM
Trevor Laws was a roommate of Eagles DE Victor Abiamiri at Notre Dame intresting little bit of info.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15391

When defensive tackle Trevor Laws reports to his first mini-camp as a Philadelphia Eagle next weekend, he will see at least one familiar face - his former college roommate at Notre Dame, defensive end Victor Abiamiri.

His pre-existing friendship with Abiamiri can't hurt either, and in some situations, the former roommates could end up playing side-by-side once again.

"We're real close friends. We were roommates for over a year," Laws said. "I talk to him on a weekly basis almost. It's really exciting to go to the same team as him."

Flyboy
04-27-2008, 12:11 AM
DeSean Jackson will be a beast for the Eagles. You can quote me on that.

nfrillman
04-27-2008, 01:52 AM
So what's the deal on Lito? I'm guessing he isn't going anywhere now. As a Rams fan I'm wondering if the Rams 3rd round pick would be enough. I don't think he goes anywhere now though.

cunningham06
04-27-2008, 02:53 AM
Terrible, just terrible. Jackson is the worst possible WR we could take. and don't get me started on Laws.

Woa there negative Nancy, while it would have been nice to get Sweed, Desean Jackson is certainly going to be helpful this season. We haven't been able to have a real slot guy at WR since our best slot guy is Kevin Curtis, so we will be able to plug D Jax right in there. I pity defenses that will have to deal with keeping track of WR's as shifty as Kevin Curtis and D Jax at the same time.

Our red zone problems last year were often caused by ineffectiveness on 1st and 2nd downs where we would end up with 3rd and 10 situations. Having a WR who can fire into a quick slant across the field will help with McNabb's effectiveness. Also, Jackson is perfect for WR screen plays. Jackson has all the tools and ability we need, we just need to utilize him correctly, and he will gut other teams defenses.

As for Trevor Laws, how is it possible to not like the guy? What is there to dislike about a good natural football player who loves the game and has a great motor? He's a good character guy with great production, the only real knock on him is his height. He is extremely strong, and is decently explosive and is just a very good player. Injuries happen all the time, especially in the trenches, so having a legitimate #3 DT is a very good idea. Bunkley and Patterson are going to need breathers and Laws will get his chance to show us what he's capable of.

I'm very happy with the players we got today, we got two great football players, both with good production and good measurables. Both players have "size issues" but that is an issue that is often really blown out of proportion.

The Lorenzo Booker trade makes absolutely no sense to me, we really didn't need him.

And to top it all off, we got a 1st rounder in next years draft. I'm excited for tomorrow and can't wait to see what our next moves will be. Reggie Smith would be amazing to get, but I would be nearly as happy with Godfrey.

cunningham06
04-27-2008, 02:55 AM
So what's the deal on Lito? I'm guessing he isn't going anywhere now. As a Rams fan I'm wondering if the Rams 3rd round pick would be enough. I don't think he goes anywhere now though.

As of right now I think that if Lito gets moved it will be a part of a player trade such as for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin. It's looking more and more likely that he will remain on the Eagles now though. I see very little chance that the Rams could trade for him with just a 3rd round pick, that's not worth it at all.

D-Unit
04-27-2008, 04:10 AM
Pretty wacky first day for you folks but in the end, I like the 2 additions you guys made. I like the players, but I'm not sure how much I like fits with the Eagles.

eaglesalltheway
04-27-2008, 09:04 AM
Laws is a perfect UT for us, and I am a BIG fan of that pick. Jackson give us a returner, which we desperately needed, and also will contribute his rookie year, if only as a slot returner.

camp_eagles
04-27-2008, 09:20 AM
I hope we can pick up Molden with the 80th

bsaza2358
04-27-2008, 11:06 AM
As of right now I think that if Lito gets moved it will be a part of a player trade such as for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin. It's looking more and more likely that he will remain on the Eagles now though. I see very little chance that the Rams could trade for him with just a 3rd round pick, that's not worth it at all.

None of these guys is getting moved. Jackson will play out of the slot and will be a gadget guy this year for the Eagles. Neither Boldin nor Williams will be moved right now. Maybe post draft.

eaglesalltheway
04-27-2008, 01:28 PM
None of these guys is getting moved. Jackson will play out of the slot and will be a gadget guy this year for the Eagles. Neither Boldin nor Williams will be moved right now. Maybe post draft.

Agreed, all of them are standing still at least for the next week or so.

DragonFireKai
04-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Woa there negative Nancy, while it would have been nice to get Sweed, Desean Jackson is certainly going to be helpful this season. We haven't been able to have a real slot guy at WR since our best slot guy is Kevin Curtis, so we will be able to plug D Jax right in there. I pity defenses that will have to deal with keeping track of WR's as shifty as Kevin Curtis and D Jax at the same time.

I doubt Darrell Jackson will beat out Brown or Curtis. He's getting old, coming into a new offense, and has a history of dropping passes. He'll be competing with DeSean for the third spot.

Our red zone problems last year were often caused by ineffectiveness on 1st and 2nd downs where we would end up with 3rd and 10 situations. Having a WR who can fire into a quick slant across the field will help with McNabb's effectiveness. Also, Jackson is perfect for WR screen plays. Jackson has all the tools and ability we need, we just need to utilize him correctly, and he will gut other teams defenses.

Do you even know what the red zone is? 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal. Another tiny reciever running another slant won't help us, because he won't get open. The red zone is an area where traditional seperation is impossible, because space is constrained. In the red zone, you need a physical player who can forcibly establish his position. In our offense, that was usually accomplished by the TE, but LJ's health has been questionable the last few seasons, and Celek lacks the requisite body control.

As for Trevor Laws, how is it possible to not like the guy? What is there to dislike about a good natural football player who loves the game and has a great motor? He's a good character guy with great production, the only real knock on him is his height. He is extremely strong, and is decently explosive and is just a very good player. Injuries happen all the time, especially in the trenches, so having a legitimate #3 DT is a very good idea. Bunkley and Patterson are going to need breathers and Laws will get his chance to show us what he's capable of.

What's not to like is that we still have holes elsewhere, and we decided to pick up a player who's going to be a rotational player at best. Depth is nice, but you need to patch the holes first. It doesn't matter how many good DTs you have if your safties and linebackers are weak. Rotational players can be had in the later rounds. The most probable place to get a starter calibur player is in the early rounds.

The Lorenzo Booker trade makes absolutely no sense to me, we really didn't need him.

Really? You didn't put it together yet? OK. I'll spell it out for you. DeSean Jackson can't return kicks, Booker can.

And to top it all off, we got a 1st rounder in next years draft. I'm excited for tomorrow and can't wait to see what our next moves will be. Reggie Smith would be amazing to get, but I would be nearly as happy with Godfrey.

I liked the first rounder, I don't like Quinten Demps.

DragonFireKai
04-27-2008, 03:32 PM
What did the Browns give us for the 191st? We could have used Hubbard.

Eaglez.Fan
04-27-2008, 04:32 PM
They gave us there 5th next year.

brat316
04-27-2008, 08:58 PM
We got the OT Franklin Dunbar he was a guy that came down for a visit.

Go_Eagles77
04-27-2008, 10:05 PM
As an UDFA? Or are you confusing him with King Dunlap?

Edit - Oh I see they signed Dunbar, nevermind.

Go_Eagles77
04-27-2008, 10:07 PM
I doubt Darrell Jackson will beat out Brown or Curtis. He's getting old, coming into a new offense, and has a history of dropping passes. He'll be competing with DeSean for the third spot.

What the heck are you talking about? I'm pretty sure he was talking about Desean Jackson, not Darrell Jackson.

DragonFireKai
04-27-2008, 10:41 PM
What the heck are you talking about? I'm pretty sure he was talking about Desean Jackson, not Darrell Jackson.

On the West Coast, D Jax is Darrell Jackson. It's kind of like refering to Adrian Peterson, and wondering why everyone thinks that hack on the bears is a great running back. That and I was too hung over to really care to check.

GaMeTiMe
04-27-2008, 11:53 PM
Whether you thought he meant Darrell or DeSean, you were talking as if both are on the team...

cunningham06
04-28-2008, 01:08 AM
I doubt Darrell Jackson will beat out Brown or Curtis. He's getting old, coming into a new offense, and has a history of dropping passes. He'll be competing with DeSean for the third spot.

Do you even know what the red zone is? 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal. Another tiny reciever running another slant won't help us, because he won't get open. The red zone is an area where traditional seperation is impossible, because space is constrained. In the red zone, you need a physical player who can forcibly establish his position. In our offense, that was usually accomplished by the TE, but LJ's health has been questionable the last few seasons, and Celek lacks the requisite body control.

What's not to like is that we still have holes elsewhere, and we decided to pick up a player who's going to be a rotational player at best. Depth is nice, but you need to patch the holes first. It doesn't matter how many good DTs you have if your safties and linebackers are weak. Rotational players can be had in the later rounds. The most probable place to get a starter calibur player is in the early rounds.

Really? You didn't put it together yet? OK. I'll spell it out for you. DeSean Jackson can't return kicks, Booker can.

I liked the first rounder, I don't like Quinten Demps.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the Darrell Jackson part, but I had hoped by process of elimination you could figure out I was talking about Desean Jackson since Darrell Jackson isn't even on the Eagles. I will call Desean Jackson by his full name now so there won't be any more confusion.

You are confusing red zone offense and goal line offense. To clarify red zone offense is inside the 20 yard line, and goal line is 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, etc. Too many times were we in that awkward pre goal line offense and couldn't make anything happen and had to settle for field goals. If we can get a man to man matchup with either Kevin Curtis or Desean Jackson in that situation there is a good chance we can get a completion off a quick slant or out similar to what the Patriots often did with Wes Welker.

Alright what holes would you have "patched" in this situation? Who was on the board at the Eagles first pick that you would take that would get more playing time than a rotational DT. This draft was all about getting depth at key positions for the Eagles. OT, DT, S, CB are all positions that we picked not intending the players to start from day 1. Frankly we don't really need them to. The position where we needed an immediate impact is WR, and we got Desean Jackson right after Laws. You mentioned the LB position, but is another rookie really what we need in an already extremely young group? I would have been fine with us getting Dan Connor just in case Bradley doesn't work out, but Gocong and Gaither are fine.

Desean Jackson can't return kicks? What are you even talking about? He's a great return man, and while he may prefer returning punts, he can run in a straight line as fast as he can and get more yardage than either Reno Mahe or Correll Buckhalter. Desean Jackson is way too dynamic to not be given a chance to return kicks. Lorenzo Booker hasn't even returned a kick in the nfl because Ted Ginn, a player Desean Jackson is compared to frequently, got the nod as return man. I will be surprised if Booker even makes the team, it is a waste of a 4th round pick IMO.

As for Quinten Demps, I'm not surprised, you don't like anyone.

DragonFireKai
04-28-2008, 03:39 AM
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the Darrell Jackson part, but I had hoped by process of elimination you could figure out I was talking about Desean Jackson since Darrell Jackson isn't even on the Eagles. I will call Desean Jackson by his full name now so there won't be any more confusion.

Lack of sleep and a wicked hangover will warp your perspective on most things.

You are confusing red zone offense and goal line offense. To clarify red zone offense is inside the 20 yard line, and goal line is 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, etc. Too many times were we in that awkward pre goal line offense and couldn't make anything happen and had to settle for field goals. If we can get a man to man matchup with either Kevin Curtis or Desean Jackson in that situation there is a good chance we can get a completion off a quick slant or out similar to what the Patriots often did with Wes Welker.

The goal of Red Zone offense is to score touchdowns. And we did not score TDs, and it wasn't because we stalled just inside the 20. We'd march right to the edge of the endzone, and just couldn't get it in the endzone. We had 50 drives reach inside the 20, only ten of them failed to get in a goal to go situation, and only two of those ten failed to score points. Of the 40 that did reach the goaline offense, 16 failed to score a TD, and 5 failed to score at all.

The problem isn't getting into the Goal line, it's converting those Soaline possesions into TDs. 40% of our goal to go possesions failed to score a TD, and 12.5% failed to score at all.

Alright what holes would you have "patched" in this situation? Who was on the board at the Eagles first pick that you would take that would get more playing time than a rotational DT. This draft was all about getting depth at key positions for the Eagles. OT, DT, S, CB are all positions that we picked not intending the players to start from day 1. Frankly we don't really need them to. The position where we needed an immediate impact is WR, and we got Desean Jackson right after Laws. You mentioned the LB position, but is another rookie really what we need in an already extremely young group? I would have been fine with us getting Dan Connor just in case Bradley doesn't work out, but Gocong and Gaither are fine.

I actually think Bradley will be an excellent player. Gocong however, failed to impress me since we drafted him. He's a liability in coverage, and failed to demonstrate the ability to generate a consistent pass rush, which was the main reason we took him. I would have prefered to pick up a LB like Connor or Crable, who I think would have had a good chance to start over Gocong.

Desean Jackson can't return kicks? What are you even talking about? He's a great return man, and while he may prefer returning punts, he can run in a straight line as fast as he can and get more yardage than either Reno Mahe or Correll Buckhalter. Desean Jackson is way too dynamic to not be given a chance to return kicks. Lorenzo Booker hasn't even returned a kick in the nfl because Ted Ginn, a player Desean Jackson is compared to frequently, got the nod as return man. I will be surprised if Booker even makes the team, it is a waste of a 4th round pick IMO.

There's more to returning kicks than running in a straight line. Kickoffs operate in more confined space than punts do. On a punt return, you need to beat three or four guys, because of the players who need to remain in order to block, there's maybe 6 or 7 players who are even capable of making a significant attempt at a tackle. On a kickoff return, there are no snappers and no blockers, so there's ten players out there who can consistantly make the tackle, and they start off in a pure coverage formation. You get set up for much harder hits on kick returns. So carrying an extra ten or twenty pounds over 170 is a huge plus.

Here's the difference between Ted Ginn coming out of college, and DeSean Jackson. Ted Ginn returned 38 kicks for 26.6 yards per return. Jackson returned 2 kicks for an average of 19 yards.

As for Quinten Demps, I'm not surprised, you don't like anyone.

There are plenty of players I like. Quinten Demps just isn't one of them. I'd have rather had Tyrell Johnson, DaJuan Morgan, Reggie Smith, or Thomas DeCoud. Any one of them would have been able to make a push for a starting spot at Saftey. I did like the Ikeguono pick. I think we could have gotten him a little later, but I think once he heals completely, he'll push Toastolio off the field completely.

eaglesalltheway
04-28-2008, 06:47 AM
DFK, I don't know if you are trying to be funny with Toastolio, or what but it is weird seeing him being referred to something that sounds like a breakfast cereal.:D

brat316
04-28-2008, 08:42 AM
For Kickoff returns its going to be

Demps vs. Booker vs. Jackson.

Go_Eagles77
04-28-2008, 06:15 PM
For Kickoff returns its going to be

Demps vs. Booker vs. Jackson.

That sounds much better than Reno Mahe vs. Greg Lewis vs. JR Reed

brat316
04-28-2008, 06:25 PM
I forgot about Reed throw him in the mix

eaglesalltheway
04-29-2008, 06:32 AM
I forgot about Reed throw him in the mix

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!