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doingthisinsteadofwork
04-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Howd your team do?
Early I know but its the offseason.

Oakland Raiders
1.Darren McFadden RB Arkansas:We already had a strong running game but McFadden only makes it better.He can catch,run,and throw the ball.The Raiders also asked him if can return kicks so he may do that as well.I still feel that we could traded down though and gotten more picks.Which I think would have been better but Al asked for to much.I give this pick a B+.

2.Trade for Deangel Hall CB: We got him for a good deal.Hes a great corner. But its another move we didnt need to make.He also isnt cheap.he doesnt fill a need (imo) just upgrades a position of strength.I still feel we could have put that 2nd rounder to more use.B-

3.Trade for Mario Henderson:This was a horrible trade and the pick was a reach.He showed some promise in the preseason though and is supposed to at least be competing for the starting job at RT. D+

4a.Tyvon Branch DB : This was a bad pick.DB is the last thing we need. I understand he could return for us but we could have taken someone later in the draft. D+

4b. Arman Schields: We passed on Tony Hills for this guy.Now were supposed to depend on Kwame Harris to protect Jamarcus. Merriman should be pretty happy right now.At least Jared Allen is gone.On top of that this guy may not make the team.And now here we are again without a good NB. D+

6. Trevor Scott DE Buffalo: We finally go DE.An actual position of need. Ive heard good things about this guy. A-

7. Chaz Schillens WR: this guy probably wont make the team.Radovich could have though and maybe two or three other guys. D-

Overall I would give this draft a C.The Hall trade was ok.The McFadden and Scott picks were good. but the rest of the draft certainly wasnt very good.

nobodyinparticular
04-27-2008, 06:45 PM
Pretty much agreed on this one... I like the Chaz pick a little more because he has amazing measurables--all the physical tools to be a huge threat in the NFL. But Tyvon in the 4th? Shields in the 4th? We could have had a NT like Ahtyba Rubin or offensive lineman like Nicks, Hills, etc. We could have addressed both positions. Instead, we get a DB and a WR. If the Raiders needed a KR so bad, stick McFadden or Hall back there. Those two picks hurt...

T-RICH49
04-27-2008, 06:45 PM
Kansas City Chiefs:

1a.Glenn Dorsey, DT: WOW!Never in my dreams did I expect him to be there at 5.he gives KC the prescense in the middle we have not had in a long timeA+++

1b.Branden Albert this was almost too good to be true.To land the premiere defensive player in this draft then still land the guy we were targeting at 5 with the 15th pick A++

2. Brandon Flowers, CB: Someone must really like KC for us to somehow land Flowers in the 2nd.Perfect fir in the Cover 2 system and will start right away A++

3a. Jamaal Charles, RB: af first was not a fan of this pick but the more I think about it the more I like it.LJ can wear defenders down then bring Charles in to break a long one A

3b.Brad Cottam, TE: Not a fan of this pick to be honest.we could have gotten him in the 4th IMHO.Should have gone OL or DE here C

3c.DaJuan Morgan, S: solid pick puts a lot of pressure on Pollard to improve this year or Morgan will take over B+


4. William Franklin WR: size speed and a great compliment to Bowe may start right away B

5.Brandon Carr, CB: don't know much about him but have heard good things about Carr so I'll give him a chance B-

6a. Barry Richardson OT/G: will more then likely move to guard here but is big and should help out the run game B+

6b. Kevin Robinson WR/KR: solid pick the more I read on him the more I like should help on offense and in the return game

7a. Brian Johnston DE: a steal at this point IMHO.From reading his bio he sounds alot like JA A

7b.Micheal Merritt TE: WHO? F


Overall: A

Matthew Jones
04-27-2008, 06:53 PM
Patriots:

1. ILB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee - Able to acquire him a bit later than #7 and picked up an extra third round pick. B

2. CB Terrence Wheatley, Colorado - Pretty good prospect who fits the scheme but was a bit of a reach. B-

3. OLB Shawn Crable, Michigan - A decent enough value and someone who projects well into Vrabel's spot. B+

3. QB Kevin O'Connell, San Diego St. - Tom Brady has lacked a suitable backup and Kevin has potential. C

4. CB Jonathan Wilhite, Auburn - Not the biggest fan of his because he doesn't add anything Wheatley lacks. C-

5. WR Matt Slater, UCLA - Versatile player who adds some special teams value as well and should contribute. C

6. ILB Bo Ruud, Nebraska - A few guys I would have preferred but is a decent value and project pick. C+

The Patriots also picked up a 2009 second-round pick from the Chargers via trade, so that adds to the value of the draft.

Overall Grade: B-

Dam8610
04-27-2008, 06:58 PM
The only reason I can find to be unhappy with the Colts draft is Mike Hart. Other than that, I'll reserve my judgement on a grade.

Dam8610
04-27-2008, 06:59 PM
Kansas City Chiefs:

1.Glenn Dorsey, DT: WOW!Never in my dreams did I expect him to be there at 5.he gives KC the prescense in the middle we have not had in a long time then to land Branden Albert this was almost too good to be true.To land the premiere defensive player in this draft then still land the guy we were targeting at 5 with the 15th pick A++

2. Brandon Flowers, CB: Someone must really like KC for us to somehow land Flowers in the 2nd.Perfect fir in the Cover 2 system and will start right away A++

3a. Jamaal Charles, RB: af first was not a fan of this pick but the more I think about it the more I like it.LJ can wear defenders down then bring Charles in to break a long one A

3b.Brad Cottam, TE: Not a fan of this pick to be honest.we could have gotten him in the 4th IMHO.Should have gone OL or DE here C

3c.DaJuan Morgan, S: solid pick puts a lot of pressure on Pollard to improve this year or Morgan will take over B+


4. William Franklin WR: size speed and a great compliment to Bowe may start right away B

5.Brandon Carr, CB: don't know much about him but have heard good things about Carr so I'll give him a chance B-

6a. Barry Richardson OT/G: will more then likely move to guard here but is big and should help out the run game B+

6b. Kevin Robinson WR/KR: solid pick the more I read on him the more I like should help on offense and in the return game

7a. Brian Johnston DE: a steal at this point IMHO.From reading his bio he sounds alot like JA A

7b.Micheal Merritt TE: WHO? F


Overall: A

You forgot Branden Albert in all of this.

EtrnlDarkness
04-27-2008, 07:00 PM
Titans draft
1. Chris Johnson - B- - He's growing on me
2. James Jones - B- - Solid pick, just pisses me off we didn't trade up for one of the receivers
3. Craig Stevens- C+ - ehhh, a good blocking tight end is good but, ehhh.
4. William Hayes - F - Don't even know who the hell he is.
5. Lavelle Hawkins - C - He's not going to develop into a goto guy. He's more of what we already have.
6. Stanford Keglar- C+ Keep the special teams good
7. Cary Williams - B+ - We've hit with our last 2 round 7 corners (Hill's nothing special but better than most 7th rounders). Hopefully the same here.

Overall C+

bored of education
04-27-2008, 07:02 PM
Titans draft


4. William Hayes - F - Don't even know who the hell he is.


Overall C+

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scottyboy
04-27-2008, 07:04 PM
GIANTS

1: Kenny Philips- Safety from the "U" who brings excellent talent and character to our team. Excellent value and HUGE need. A

2: Terrell Thomas- Nice CB who is well coached from USC and Pete. Physical with long arms who was definately a "Spags pick" ala Jay Alford last year. We need talent and mainly youth at CB anyway, but perhaps a slight reach. B+

3. "Super" Mario Manningham- WR from Ann Arbor who is no doubt a playmaker. Has some character issues, but so did Ahmad Bradshaw, that payed off pretty well, huh? IF he can keep his head on straight, it's a major steal deserving of an A, but we'll see, for now he's undecided on my part.

4. Bryan Kehl- a LB from BYU(made jballa happy) who is a VERY smart kid and good tackler. Added some LB depth which is nice. Don't know much about him, but I trust Reese. I'm not too excited about this pick, so I'll give it just a B

5- Jonathan Goff- A MLB from Vandy who I felt was a MAJOR steal here. Hard hitter, nice ethic and character. Love this kid who is more depth at LB, a nice special teams player and perhaps a future replacement for Pierce? A-

6a- Andre' Woodson- Another Wildcat QB on our roster, for now. I think he's a day 1 talent, but mechanics and poor senior bowl dropped him, ALOT. I love hefty lefty, and don't care for Wright or Carr, so I like it, but it depends who makes the team, as I feel Andre' will. I liked him all through college, but it wasn't a need at all. Ah, what the hell A

6b- Robert Henderson- A DE I never heard of from Southern Miss. He may be good, but I have no clue. All I know, is he's a late round DL, and he's not Eric Foster. F

All in all, an excellent Giants draft resulting in a total A- or B+

thetedginnshow
04-27-2008, 07:12 PM
Kansas City Chiefs:

1a.Glenn Dorsey, DT: WOW!Never in my dreams did I expect him to be there at 5.he gives KC the prescense in the middle we have not had in a long timeA+++

1b.Branden Albert this was almost too good to be true.To land the premiere defensive player in this draft then still land the guy we were targeting at 5 with the 15th pick A++

2. Brandon Flowers, CB: Someone must really like KC for us to somehow land Flowers in the 2nd.Perfect fir in the Cover 2 system and will start right away A++

3a. Jamaal Charles, RB: af first was not a fan of this pick but the more I think about it the more I like it.LJ can wear defenders down then bring Charles in to break a long one A

3b.Brad Cottam, TE: Not a fan of this pick to be honest.we could have gotten him in the 4th IMHO.Should have gone OL or DE here C

3c.DaJuan Morgan, S: solid pick puts a lot of pressure on Pollard to improve this year or Morgan will take over B+


4. William Franklin WR: size speed and a great compliment to Bowe may start right away B

5.Brandon Carr, CB: don't know much about him but have heard good things about Carr so I'll give him a chance B-

6a. Barry Richardson OT/G: will more then likely move to guard here but is big and should help out the run game B+

6b. Kevin Robinson WR/KR: solid pick the more I read on him the more I like should help on offense and in the return game

7a. Brian Johnston DE: a steal at this point IMHO.From reading his bio he sounds alot like JA A

7b.Micheal Merritt TE: WHO? F


Overall: A

This is the person that was complaining excessively a month ago because the Chiefs weren't doing anything in the off-season.

BaLLiN
04-27-2008, 07:12 PM
GIANTS

1. Kenny Phillips- Falls into our laps we scoop him up. Giants lost Gibril to the Raiders, we pick up a safety probably better than Gibril even now. Although i think his skills make him more fit to be a SS, I think he starts FS from day one and does an above average job. A/A+

2. Terrell Thomas- A good fit for our scheme, he can blitz well, tackles decently, has nice long arms and height. Good for at least a nickel or dime.B-/B

3. SUPER Mario Manningham- we are apparently really high on the guy. Has some character issues but we have a great locker room and staff to support him. Gets great seperation, decent hands, runs good routes, great after the catch. Probably going to be a reserve if Plax or Toomer get hurt. B+

4. Bryan Kehl- could play SLB or WLB in our system, at worst will be a very good special teamer. B/B-

5. Jonathan Goff- brought in to eventually replace Antonio Pierce i presume, he is intelligent and constantly improving upon every year, close to 100 tackles two years in a row, is a pretty good blitzer.B/B-

6a. Andre Woodson- very very good value here, he has his faults but overall he could develop into a very good backup and maybe a starter years from now.B

6b. Robert Henderson- a dominant pass rusher, probably ideal for our ace package of 4 DEs on 3rd and long. Maybe a diamond in the rough?C+

Overall id give us a solid B/B+

MooshooGawd
04-27-2008, 07:14 PM
I'm not going to grade each pick. There are a lot of guys that we drafted that I've never watched myself. So I'll holdoff from judging. I will say that my initial reaction to this draft is better than my initial feelings about our draft last year. And last years draft turned out to be pretty damn productive.

Overall, I'll give us a solid B.

Bengals

1.) Keith Rivers - LB - USC

Ugh. Everyone knew that New Orleans was going to trade up and get Ellis from us. Everyone! How could our FO not pull the trigger? Hell, we could have given then the same exact deal that New Orleans offered! We had two 3rd rounders! Argh! Being a fan of this team is sooooo hard sometimes. Anyway, Keith Rivers is a decent pick. I don't like this talk about moving him to play MLB. The guy was an All-American playing on the outside; keep him there. I do like Rivers more than Harvey and McClevin. We know have three studs at LB in Keith Rivers, Odell Thurman, and Ahmad Brooks. Would have loved to have taken Ellis, but Rivers isn't too bad either.

2.) Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina

Don't know anything about this guy. Apparently he's fast, he's got good hands, and he can make plays. With or without Chad Johnson, the Bengals needed to get deeper at WR. You could line a broom out as a wideout and I'm convinced that Carson Palmer could make it a Pro-Bowler. The Bengals apparently did a lot of research on him, and Mike Lombardi praised the pick on the NFL Network. So we'll see...

3.) Pat Sims - DT - Auburn

This guy had better be a stud for us. This is the pick that it would have taken to trade up for Ellis. So, basically, the Bengals are saying that Rivers/Sims > Ellis. Okay, I'll buy that. I really don't like Pat's attitude, but he's shown flashes. He'll get the opportunity to see the field pretty quickly. The Bengals needed to address a DT.

3.) Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida

This guy is fast, he was captain of the Gators, but the only thing that worries me is the lack of success that Florida receivers usually have in the NFL. But, like I said, with or without Chad, the Bengals needed to get deeper at WR. Chris Henry is gone, Chad is being a *****, and TJ is in his final year of his contract.

4.) Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas

Pretty good value here. The Bengals needed to address their O-Line, and their coaches say that he can play everywhere. Can't argue with that. Our line was really beat up last year, so it's a good pick.

5.) Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno St.

The only thing I don't like about this pick is that with Shirley's past, it's ammo for people who want to keep playing the 'Bungle' card. However, I've like Shirley a lot for months. I'm really excited we got him. If he's good then everyone will forget about his issues...if he's a bust, then he's a 5th rounder and we can just cut ties.

6.) Corey Lynch - S - App. St.

The 'Wolverine Killer'! He's the one that blocked Michigans field goal to upset the Wolverines. This kid looks like he'll be a great gunner and contributer to special teams.

6.) Matt Sherry - TE - Villanova

It's hard to find anything about this guy. Mayock and Kiper both seemed to like him, and said that he caught everything thrown his way. Not sure how he'll see the field though with our current TEs.

7.) Angelo Craig - DE - UC

It's good to have a Cincinnati Bearcat on our team. He's undersized, so I'd imagine we'll play him at LB. Could play special teams, I guess.

7.) Mario Urrutia - WR - UL

Big, big wideout. He had a really good sophomore year, so hopefully he can bring that fire and make the team.

bigbluedefense
04-27-2008, 07:19 PM
From the Giants draft discussion:

Let's break it all down:

1. Kenny Phillips
-it pained me to see Jenkins and Cason off the board. At that point in the draft, I liked Phillips with the 31 over anyone. Ive always been skeptical on him. When i saw him, I personally thought that his flaws were very correctable, and felt that most of his issues were because he tried to makeup for other's mistakes which made him look worse in the end. However, you hear scouts and they tell you he's not very good. Me personally, I feel that he will be a very good player for us. He'll trust his teammates, and he will have a dominant pass rush in front of him. I feel he'll revert back to his sophomore form, as most of his mistakes were mental and were due to a lack of confidence in his teammates. He should be our SS, he can stop the run, blitz, and cover the TE in man coverage. Thats just what we need.

2. Terrell Thomas
Im unsure of this one. Id feel a lot better on it if he had a better 40 time. He sounds the part, and when you put on the film he looks the part, but injury concerns and a slow 40 and hip movement scare me. I wanted an elite CB from this draft, I don't know if Thomas is that kind of guy. He can move to FS and be a dominant FS, but we drafted him as a CB. We'll see how this one goes, this was a gamble.

3. Mario Manningham
Absolutely love it. His character concerns are way overrated. He should be Toomer's heir on the left side. For a late 3rd, excellent value and im really happy with this pick. Great pick. This spells the beginning of the end for Sinorice. This pick indicates we're hoping Manningham will take over for Toomer, and entrench Steve Smith in the slot. That leaves no room for Sinorice. This is a wakeup call for him. Either step it up, or good bye. I have a feeling the latter will come true, as ive seen nothing from him to make me believe he'll make the leap we've been waiting for.

4. Bryan Kehl
Ive said all along all we needed was a depth LB on the weakside. He's just that. Great instincts, great character, he'll be serviceable behind Wilkinson. He fits with what we want, high character leaders with smarts and good production. I like it.

5. Jonathan Goff
Absolutely LOVE this pick. He's a younger Antonio Pierce. He'll be our eventual MIKE when Pierce has to hang it up. And he'll learn under Pierce too. Great player, the sledgehammer type of MIKE we need in our scheme, and has great intelligence, leadership, and studies a ton of film. He's PERFECT. Absolutely love him. We stole him. We're so stacked at LB now.

6. Andre Woodson
Believe it or not, when i projected the qb talent in this draft, I rated Woodson #2. I liked him that much. There was no way he shouldve fell so far. But he did, and we potentially land a solid back up to Eli. This pick is great for several reasons.

-It gives us a quality developmental backup to Eli
-it could mean we get to cut Carr in PS
-No more Anthony Wright
-if he does pan out, imagine if he does which I personally feel is possible, we now have a very valuable trading commodity 2 to 3 years down the road. And for a 6th round pick, we invested barely anything for what could be a potentially a great trading commodity. Can't lose with that.

6. Robert Henderson
.....who?

Overall, I really like this draft class. Once again, Reese did what we wanted him to do: he addressed needs in the right order, got high character quality guys, and added depth. We might not have any stars in this draft, but we have a lot of solid guys, and thats what wins championships. Only questionable pick was in round 2, but even if that doesn't pan out, you have to like what Reese did here.

I wouldve liked to have seen him be more aggressive early and grab Mike Jenkins, but hey what can you do. He seems to like to stand pat with his picks. One thing i did like was i felt we needed to address CB and Safety within the first 2 rounds. He did just that. Now the real question is, did we get the good Kenny Phillips or the bad one? And did we reach on a subpar CB? Those questions we won't know the answers to until the season starts.

Overall i give it a solid B for now.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-27-2008, 07:22 PM
2. CB Terrence Wheatley, Colorado - Pretty good prospect who fits the scheme but was a bit of a reach. B-

That was one of the worst picks in the draft, lol.

I watched Will Franklin absolutely destroy this clown. Huge reach for a player that was not going to get taken that early and has some character concerns? B-???

BufFan71
04-27-2008, 07:38 PM
1.Leodis McKelvin-A+-- gives us a corner who SHOULD end up being a lock down corner.

2. James Hardy-B+-- finally gives us a big wr, good hands, good speed, a HUGE threat in the endzone, something we havent had since Moulds.

3. Chris Ellis-B-- good pickup, becomes a situational pass rusher, can get to the QB

4. Reggie Corner-C-- gives us another corner, greer and mcgee's contracts are up after this year, hes a ballhawk who isnt afraid to get physical.

4. Derek Fine- D-- i was hoping to get a tru pass recieving TE in the draft, or Possibly Martellus Bennet, but those damn Cowboys, always ruining everything for buffalo fans

5. Alvin Bowman- B-- extremely athletic, should be a great special teamer, and possibily a starter in the future.

6. Xavier Omon- A-- well, only reason i give this an A, is because i LOVE this pick. Thie guy can run the ball....maybe he can play fullback--ala Crockett-- i think he is gonna be a steal

Demetrius Bell- N/A

Steven Johnson- c-- could be a steal at Wr for us in the 7th

Kennard Cox-- N/a wont be anything more than a practice squad player IMO

TimD
04-27-2008, 07:39 PM
New York Jets

Round 1, Pick 6: Vernon Gholston OLB Ohio State - A+
This was a no brainer. With Long, McFadden, and Ryan off the board, this had to be the pick. Now Gholston will provide the Jets with a pass rush while giving the Jets great depth at LB.

Round 1, Pick 30: Dustin Keller TE Purdue - B-
There has been a lot of hate on this pick, but I feel like it was a smart move. Maybe he would have been there in the 2nd, maybe not. If you like a guy that much than it makes sense to go out and trade up for him. The past 2 players the Jets traded up for worked out. Now I feel like he will have a big impact stretching the middle of the field, providing a safety net for whoever the QB is, and creating mismatches. He will be a great option as a slot WR/TE.

Round 4, Pick 14: Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State - B+
This is a good pick because it adds depth to the secondary. Lowery led the nation in INTs in his junior year and if it was not for an injury last year he may have done it again. A dynamic CB who excels in zone coverage will battle his way to start opposite of Revis.

Round 5, Pick 27: Erik Ainge QB Tennessee - B
A long-term project that one day may be able to be successful in the league. He's a big pocket passer that has a strong arm and nice touch, but needs to see the field a bit better. If he impresses he could eventually earn a chance to prove himself if Kellen/Chad play poorly.

Round 6, Pick 5: Marcus Henry WR Kentucky - B
A big guy (6'4) who will battle to earn a position on the roster. A big target with raw talent

Round 7, Pick 4: Nate Garner OT Arkansas - (No rating, 7th rounder)
Well he blocked well for McFadden and Jones. Maybe he can get a spot. He's a big dude (6'7'').


Overall Grade: B

BufFan71
04-27-2008, 07:40 PM
2. CB Terrence Wheatley, Colorado - Pretty good prospect who fits the scheme but was a bit of a reach. B-

That was one of the worst picks in the draft, lol.

I watched Will Franklin absolutely destroy this clown. Huge reach for a player that was not going to get taken that early and has some character concerns? B-???



since when did TWeat have character problems? he doesnt.



Will Franklin did not destroy Wheatley, Colorado didnt have much at corner behind terrence, Franklin destroyed the other CB's

BlindSite
04-27-2008, 07:42 PM
Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon B+
Probably the best player available depending on how you ranked the running backs when we were on the clock. It appears the Panthers want a more powerful ground game and Stewart’s punishing style gives them a great weapon. While he’s not going to be a massive pro bowl rookie, he will contribute from day one and probably see around 160-200 carries his first year. Great value and a strong upgrade to the run game.


Jeff Otah OT Pitt A+/F-
If Otah booms into the punishing run blocker the front office thinks he can be and the Panthers offense takes off, Hurney and Fox will be hailed as geniuses. If he busts out and ends up benched or as a guard the Panthers will have mortgaged a huge part of their future for nothing.

This is one of the few picks (other than Atlanta’s Matt Ryan and Baltimore’s Joe Flacco selections) that could make or break coaching careers and franchises.


Charles Godfrey DB Iowa B
Excellent value here imo as he was a pretty freakin’ good cover 2 prospect. The value here for the Panthers will probably be Godfrey as a safety. He’ll be a nice addition to Chris Harris and give a great safety compliment to a very strong set of cornerbacks.


Dan Connor LB Penn State A+ (value wise)
I don’t not like this pick. I just don’t understand it. We signed Landon Johnson in the offseason, already have Beason and Davis entrenched as starters. So now we’ve got James Anderson, Landon Johnson, Nail Diggs AND Dan Connor competing for one position. The best thing to do here in my opinion would be to put Connor on the strong side and move Thomas Davis to the weakside where his 4.5 speed and blitzing ability could be unleashed.


Gary Barnidge TE Louisville B-
Depth pick. Panthers always carry 3 tight ends and he’ll give us a solid receiving threat. Dante Rosario began to emerge last year as a great pass catching option and King is a solid if unspectacular all round player. Depth with potential imo.


Nick Hayden DT Wisconsin B+
This player fills a need and does seem to have a lot of potential. Sal Sunsieri has gotten some amazing play out of late rounders like Jordan Carstens, Kindal Moorehead and former busts ( Damoine Lewis) in the past and should find himself another project. Probably a rotational guy to spell those above him on the depth chart.


Hilee Taylor OLB North Carolina C-
I don’t know much about this guy except he’s an undersized defensive end who was too slow there to be effective as a pass rusher and too small to be a good run defender. Apparently has good quickness and a few moves. Maybe just a Tim Shaw type ST only selection. Front office must see something I don’t especially when there was still some DE’s on the board here.


Geoff Schwartz OG Oregon & Mackenzy Bernadeau (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/mackenzy-bernadeau?id=4215) OG Bentley C+
Camp fodder / developmental prospects. Both these guys are massive so they’ll be good in camp to help spell who we’ve got and give the scout team defense some hitting. I don’t really know why we went the same position twice after having a massive FA class brought in. Both guys have potential Schwartz is one mean MFer and Benradeau needs to be coached for a while but has a lot of capability as a player.

I like the picks long term, but we’re not light on depth at the guard spot, so I don’t know where they’ll fit.


Overall
A+ potential if we manage to get a starting linebacker who lives up to his scouting report, a starting FS and a real power house running game. The other players only need to be ST contributors and the team will keep ticking over fine.

Realistic grade: B we gave up a lot to get an OT with some big questions but managed to get some nice value and developmental prospects in the third and after.

Worst case scenario is Otah busts and the Panthers are stuck with a useless fat, slow bench rider and miss out on a first next year.

Go_Eagles77
04-27-2008, 07:44 PM
Eagles

Round 1 (19 overall) - Traded to Carolina for a 2nd, 4th, and 2009 1st rounder
Grade - A
Round 2a (47 overall) - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame - Should be a great 3rd DT in our rotation behind Patterson and Bunkley
Grade - B+
Round 2b (49 overall) - DeSean Jackson, WR/RS/ Cal - Didn't want him at 19 but getting him at 49 was great value. Should start out as a slot receiver but who knows could 1 day be a starter. He will probably be the starter at PR and maybe KOR from day 1.
Grade - A-
Round 3 (80 overall) - Bryan Smith, DE/OLB, McNeese St. - I wasn't too thrilled with this pick at first, but it grew on me a little bit since then, the eagles want him at DE and if he bulks up a little he could be a great pass rusher. Still a bit of a reach for a role player.
Grade - C+
Round 4a (109 overall) - Mike McGlynn, OT, Pittsburgh - If you would have told me 2 days ago we would have an OT from Pitt I would've figured you meant Jeff Otah. Who knows maybe McGlynn could be a future starter, but right now I'm taking this as a pick for O-Line depth.
Grade - B-
Round 4b (115 overall) - Traded to dolphins for Lorenzo Booker - Apparently Reid loved this guy last year but couldn't grab him in the draft, we get him with a pick that is 2 rounds later then he was picked last year, and he has already performed pretty well in the pros and was able to get experience. Will learn from Westbrook and will be a dynamic player for the offense to take the pressure off Westbrook.
Grade - B+
Round 4c (117 overall) - Quintin Demps, FS, UTEP - Decent value here, he has good speed and athleticism and is a ballhawk, seems a little arrogant but that could be a good thing. Will be able to learn behind Brian Dawkins and could be the future starter at FS.
Grade - A-
Round 4d (131 overall) - Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin - Was one of the top corners in the country before his injury. May have to go on IR for a year, and when he's 100% he could be a potential nickel or even starter. Very physical, great cover corner.
Grade - A
Round 6a (184 overall) - Mike Gibson, G, Cal - Not much I can say about this pick, might not be anything more than a backup guard, but what do you expect from a 6th rounder?
Grade - C+
Round 6b (200 overall) - Joe Mays, MLB, North Dakota St. - Undersized LB with a high motor and hopefully will be a core special teamer for us. Hopefully a good backup too.
Grade - B-
Round 6c (203 overall) - Andy Studebaker, DE, Wheaton - Talk about a project, this guy looked like a beast in Division 3 Wheaton college, obviously it's a big difference between Division 3 and the NFL, but if he works out, could be a steal.
Grade - B-
Round 7 (230 overall) - King Dunlap, OT, Auburn - Another project, may have some potential but also had a horrible senior season, getting beat out by a freshman. Also I wasn't thrilled he being our 3rd O-Lineman, I would've preferred a tall WR like Marcus Monk. Has Practice Squad written all over him.
Grade - C-

Summary - I like the trade for the 2009 1st rounder, We got a bunch of solid role players in the draft but very few look like they will be a full time starter.
Overall grade - B

bearsfan_51
04-27-2008, 07:51 PM
Chicago Bears

1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

-I preferred Otah, mostly because I like big mauling offensive lineman, but left tackles get paid to protect the quarterback and Williams is very good at that. He's got great size, good feet, and good hands. Plus, he's a really smart kid, and that gets huge points in my book. Biggest need with probably the best player to fit that need. Grade= A

2nd round- Matt Forte, RB, Tulane

-The whole question was whether the Bears would draft a replacement for Benson or a compliment for Benson. I think we've got that answer. Forte was arguably the best 2-down back available at 44 (him or Rice), and has an overall good package. Tough guy, good hands, great character. It wouldn't suprise me to see Benson not even on the team next year, though that would take some development on Garrett Wolfe's part as well. Grade= B+

3rd round- Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt

-At this point it seemed pretty clear we would go WR, be it Bennett or Doucet. Bennett has a little better speed and is probably the more likely to develop into a starter. With our WR position in such flux he could start right away if he has a nice summer. Probably will never be a #1, but could be a longterm starter. Grade= B+

3rd Round- Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas

-What is there to say about Harrison? Great run stuffer, tremendous talent, serious character concerns. Lots of NFL players do drugs, so this isn't a grand revelation, but the added health concerns dropped him. That said, as a late 3rd rounder? That's lower than many were projecting him. Hopefully he's not another Tank Johnson, but even still it's a lower pick. Grade= B

4th Round- Craig Steltz, S, Lousiana State

-I like Steltz. He's not a gym shorts type, but he played at a really high level for one of the best teams in the country the last two years. We've got a lot of openings in our safety position so he could compete to be what Adam Arcuhleta was supposed to be. Worst case scenario he should be a really good special teams guy. Grade= B

5th Round- Zack Bowman, Defensive Back, Nebraska

-I'm waiting to hear what the full plan is for Bowman, as I've heard they are projecting him as a free safety. Could have been a 1st rounder based on talent, but that was a long time ago. As it is, the 4th or 5th round was about where most people expected Bowman to go, so this works fine for me. Could also serve as a return man should we decide to phase Hester out. Grade= B

5th Round- Kellen Davis, Tight End, Michigan State

-Nice athlete, good value, questionable need. We already have one of the best tight end combos in football. Could Davis play more of a H-back role? Maybe split out? Hell, he could be a defensive end prospect. There's a lot to like about Kellen Davis as a draft prospect. Kiper had him ranked 61st overall. I'm just not sure why we picked him. Would have preferred Josh Johnson, although it's questionable if Johnson could throw in Chicago winters. Grade= C

After that we had four 4th rounders that I don't really feel like typing out. Overall I give us a B+/A- and think our draft is realy falling under the radar. We found good value's up and down the board and filled our biggest needs.

Geo
04-27-2008, 07:55 PM
I would have really liked the Bears to have drafted Andre Woodson or Paul Smith, even though I think Sexy Rexy can still be the guy. The Bears needed to improve their offensive line and skill positions players to help him out, and they did just that this weekend.

If Harrison pans out, that could make a very good defense even better.

toonsterwu
04-27-2008, 07:56 PM
I like the Bears draft a lot. I didn't think they'd pull the trigger on Williams, but they did. There's talk we debated Williams/Albert for a long time.

The only small disappointment I had was not pulling the trigger on another OL sooner. That said, I like Barton, and I think he could challenge sooner than later.

I'm fine with not going QB. After O'Connell came off, there really wasn't a QB that I really wanted until the 6th or 7th, and at that point, I didn't care.

Bennett could very well be our lead receiver. He's, imo, the WR most ready to make an impact. I'm not projecting any Dwayne Bowe like numbers, but he could be real good next year.

bearsfan_51
04-27-2008, 07:58 PM
I would have really liked the Bears to have drafted Andre Woodson or Paul Smith, even though I think Sexy Rexy can still be the guy. The Bears needed to improve their offensive line and skill positions players to help him out, and they did just that this weekend.

If Harrison pans out, that could make a very good defense even better.
I like Woodson but there are some real questions if he could play in a WCO (though who knows what Turner runs at this point).

I'm hopeful we'll add Paul Smith as an UDFA. We talked to him a fair bit I know that.

I agree with Toonster though, past the 2nd/3rd round we likely wouldn't have found a whole lot anyway. If Orton/Grossman fail this year we'll likely have to go QB in the 1st or trade for a guy like Brady Quinn.

dcarey20
04-27-2008, 08:02 PM
My feelings on the draft.

1) Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware = C+
-I'm not overjoyed, but I'm satisfied. Flacco wasn't the 18th player on my board, but I did feel he had established himself as a first round talent. And I'm happy that the FO went out and said this is our guy, and they went out and did what it took to get him. They didn't sit around and hope that he fell, they didn't let the draft dictate what they would do, they were assertive, and I love that. This probably isn't what I would have done, but I'm definitely on board with the pick.

2) Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers = B+
-Really nice pick. I felt that running back was one of our top 3 needs going into this draft due to the uncertainty behind Willis. Cam Cameron may now have a similar running back situation to what he had in San Diego.

3) Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami = A
-Probably my favorite pick of the draft. Gooden was one of my favorite prospects in the draft and I felt he was a second round talent. He reminds me alot of former Miami teammate Jon Beason. An athletic guy who plays even faster than he times, and can also play inside or out. He should provide good depth at the very least and could be an eventual starter for us.

3b) Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame = C
When I first heard about this pick, I absolutely hated it, because Zbikowski has been one of the more overrated safeties in college football for the past few years. But then I thought more about it and realized that this pick was probably more for special teams purposes than defensive purposes, and I love how he fits the team in that regard. I'm still not a huge fan, because this was a tad bit of a reach, but I've warmed up to it and I'm excited to see what Zbi can do.

3c) Oniel Cousins, OT, UTEP = B
-Not a sexy pick but a really nice one. Has the ability to play guard as well as tackle. Reminds me a lot of the Marshal Yanda pick last year, and he could end up having a nice impact like Yanda did. He'll provide some really nice depth and I like how he fits.

4) Marcus Smith, WR, New Mexico = C+
-Ok pick. Good size and a solid replacement for Darling, though I though Lavelle Hawkins would have been a really nice value.

4b) David Hale, OT, Weber St = D+
-Not a fan. With Hale being from Weber State I honestly cannot say I whole lot about this guy but to me I don't feel we needed to go offensive line again this soon. Maybe with our 6th or 7th round pick, but not here, and it's hard for me to believe that this guy was that much better than a tackle we could have gotten in those rounds.

4c) Fabian Washington, CB, Oakland Raiders = A
- You gotta love what the Ravens did in getting Washington. We had to come away from this draft with some sort of impact corner, and while we didn't draft one, we traded for one. I love the value of only giving up a 4th rounder for him and he will make an instant impact. There were only 4 or 5 corners in this draft that I felt would make instant impacts, so I'm pretty happy.

6) Haruki Nakamura, S, Cinncinati = C-
-Like the Hale pick, I can't say I know alot about Nakamura, but I'm not sure about taking a safety. I would have liked to see us go defensive line here.

7) Justin Harper, WR, V-Tech = B
-We may not be seeing him on the 53 man roster, but this is a nice pick because at the very least he will push guys like Matt Willis and Marcus Smith to get better. Intriguing player with his size.

7b) Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma = C-
-I guess it's solid value, as Patrick is a talented player. But I really don't like taking a back here. I was fine with going into the season with McGahee, Rice, and Ross at the position. I guess this is a bit like the Harper pick though, as at the least Patrick should push Ross. If Patrick can beat out Cory for the 3rd running back spot, then this pick looks alot better.

Overall this is a draft where we went out a got a guy who we feel can be a franchise quarterback for us, and I like that, even if Flacco wasn't the best value. After that we stockpiled depth, which isn't always the most popular thing amongst fans, but it's something that I really liked, because our depth has sucked the past few seasons and it's shown when our key guys have gone down with injuries.

FINAL GRADE: B

DiG
04-27-2008, 08:03 PM
2(34) Devin Thomas, WR (A) Really love this pick. I had Thomas graded as a first rounder in the 15-25 range so trading down into the early second and still being able to land him was great value for the Skins. He's a great fit for the Skins in the WCO. A large frame with impressive speed and good hands with his best football ahead of him.

2(48) Fred Davis, TE (B+) I had Fred Davis as the top rated TE in the draft so I was pleased to see him picked by the Skins. We have zero depth at TE behind Cooley and that is important for our offense. Cooley loves to slide into the slot and line up at hback in the backfield too. Having another TE with Davis talent gives us a ton of options for some really great packages.

2(51) Malcolm Kelly, WR (B-) Some people may say that taking another WR wasn't necessary after Thomas but they obviously haven't looked at our depth chart. After Moss and El theres only Thrash on the dc. Kelly was another guy that a lot of people had pegged as a 1st round talent before his pro day. He may not be a burner but he doesn't have to be in our offense. He has reliable hands and is money in the redzone. The rumors about his knees are my only concern.

3(96) Chad Rhinehart, OL (B) Very versatile olineman which is what the redskins wanted. he can play either OT spot and also OG. the skins have even said they will give him some snaps at C in minicamp to see how he does because they feel he has the ability to play anywhere on the offensive line. great small school prospect with quick feet, good agility, and very nice size at 65 315 lbs.

4(125) Justin Tyron, CB (B-) Didnt know much about the guy till we picked him. He is a little undersized at 59 but hes quite strong and physical nonetheless. Put up 21 reps on the bench and said to be a good form tackler. Transferred into arizona state his junior year and immediately started 26 straight games over his two years there as the #1 cb. Was an all american in juco before transferring. His senior year he only allowed the opposition to complete just 31.13 percent of the passes thrown into his direction. Pretty good speed with a 4.42 and a nice vertical for a shorter guy at 33 inches. From what ive seen his quickness and desire give him the ability to make up in recovery for taking a lot of risks.

6(168) Durant Brooks, P (A-) Frost is so terribly inconsistent and unreliable. Over the past 3 years frost in the nfl has averaged just under 41 yards per kick. brooks averages 45.3 and has much better consistency and brooks accuracy and placement is money. The kid had a long of 77 this year!!

6(180) Kareem Moore, SS (B) A pure SS and ive seen him compared to Ryan Clark who is a guy most skins fans were upset to lose in FA two years back. hes a little short and doesnt have good timed speed but everything ive seen says hes got great awareness, good instincts, and great in the box. considering we arent going to resign peirson this gives good depth and a guy that can compete with reed at SS.

6(186) Colt Brennan, QB (B+) I personally am really excited about this pick. I think that Colt has the ability to be a great long term backup in the right situation and I think the Skins are just the spot. He gets to come in and be coached by Jim Zorn. Campbell is obviously the starter and Collins has proved a serviceable backup but hes 36 and won't be around more than another year or two at most. The WCO is probably the best fit for Colt and he'll have a good amount of time to learn before being in a situation that he'd have to step in and contribute.

7(242) Rob Jackson, DE (C+) Mostly a pass rush specialist from what I've seen. Is supposedly very talented at getting at the QB but doesn't have much to offer in run support.

7(249) Chris Horton, S (B-) More depth at Safety. Behind Landry and Reed the Skins really don't have much depth at either safety spot so Horton has a good shot of stepping into that roll as a backup. He started as a FS and then moved to SS so his versatility will help. Could be a good special teamer.


Overall = B+

703SKINS202
04-27-2008, 08:17 PM
2(34) Devin Thomas, WR (A) Really love this pick. I had Thomas graded as a first rounder in the 15-25 range so trading down into the early second and still being able to land him was great value for the Skins. He's a great fit for the Skins in the WCO. A large frame with impressive speed and good hands with his best football ahead of him.

2(48) Fred Davis, TE (B+) I had Fred Davis as the top rated TE in the draft so I was pleased to see him picked by the Skins. We have zero depth at TE behind Cooley and that is important for our offense. Cooley loves to slide into the slot and line up at hback in the backfield too. Having another TE with Davis talent gives us a ton of options for some really great packages.

2(51) Malcolm Kelly, WR (B-) Some people may say that taking another WR wasn't necessary after Thomas but they obviously haven't looked at our depth chart. After Moss and El theres only Thrash on the dc. Kelly was another guy that a lot of people had pegged as a 1st round talent before his pro day. He may not be a burner but he doesn't have to be in our offense. He has reliable hands and is money in the redzone. The rumors about his knees are my only concern.

3(96) Chad Rhinehart, WR (B) Very versatile olineman which is what the redskins wanted. he can play either OT spot and also OG. the skins have even said they will give him some snaps at C in minicamp to see how he does because they feel he has the ability to play anywhere on the offensive line. great small school prospect with quick feet, good agility, and very nice size at 65 315 lbs.

4(125) Justin Tyron, CB (B-) Didnt know much about the guy till we picked him. He is a little undersized at 59 but hes quite strong and physical nonetheless. Put up 21 reps on the bench and said to be a good form tackler. Transferred into arizona state his junior year and immediately started 26 straight games over his two years there as the #1 cb. Was an all american in juco before transferring. His senior year he only allowed the opposition to complete just 31.13 percent of the passes thrown into his direction. Pretty good speed with a 4.42 and a nice vertical for a shorter guy at 33 inches. From what ive seen his quickness and desire give him the ability to make up in recovery for taking a lot of risks.

6(168) Durant Brooks, P (A-) Frost is so terribly inconsistent and unreliable. Over the past 3 years frost in the nfl has averaged just under 41 yards per kick. brooks averages 45.3 and has much better consistency and brooks accuracy and placement is money. The kid had a long of 77 this year!!

6(180) Kareem Moore, SS (B) A pure SS and ive seen him compared to Ryan Clark who is a guy most skins fans were upset to lose in FA two years back. hes a little short and doesnt have good timed speed but everything ive seen says hes got great awareness, good instincts, and great in the box. considering we arent going to resign peirson this gives good depth and a guy that can compete with reed at SS.

6(186) Colt Brennan, QB (B+) I personally am really excited about this pick. I think that Colt has the ability to be a great long term backup in the right situation and I think the Skins are just the spot. He gets to come in and be coached by Jim Zorn. Campbell is obviously the starter and Collins has proved a serviceable backup but hes 36 and won't be around more than another year or two at most. The WCO is probably the best fit for Colt and he'll have a good amount of time to learn before being in a situation that he'd have to step in and contribute.

7(242) Rob Jackson, DE (C+) Mostly a pass rush specialist from what I've seen. Is supposedly very talented at getting at the QB but doesn't have much to offer in run support.

7(249) Chris Horton, S (B-) More depth at Safety. Behind Landry and Reed the Skins really don't have much depth at either safety spot so Horton has a good shot of stepping into that roll as a backup. He started as a FS and then moved to SS so his versatility will help. Could be a good special teamer.


Overall = B+

Really good skins write up, I agree with this one more than the one ghetosermon wrote. The only difference I have is that i value Kelly as an A and Brennan as a C. Kelly was great value and a definite first round talent, yea we didnt get to adress the line but i really like the guys we drafted late and got some key ufa's. Brennan I think was a luxury pick and one that might hinder Campbell's development a little if Zorn focuses too much on Brennan as a project.

Overall B+ as well.

O yea u have Rhinehart as a WR rather than OG.

Geo
04-27-2008, 08:28 PM
You know, Washington is probably the ideal situation for Brennan to go to, assuming Zorn gets a real chance to stay there long-term. Holmgren is done in Seattle after this year, the Eagles already drafted Kolb last year, and who knows how long Martz will stay in San Fran. But being in Washington, Brennan gets to develop under the thumb of Zorn, with Jason Campbell as the unquestioned starter and vet Todd Collins also being able to help the young guy.

Yung Flippa
04-27-2008, 08:30 PM
1) Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware = B
- Potential in him, hopefully we don't throw him into the water and let him learn a little first.

2) Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers = B-
- Could be a good combo with Willis. He'll take a load off, so Willis will have time to rest.

3) Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami = A
- I personally love the pick. I'm convinced that Gooden is the next great U linebacker and learning under Ray will only help.

3b) Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame = B
- Good solid pick. Will be a great back-up for Dawan and Ed. He's an upgrade over the horrendous Jamaine Winborne without a doubt.

3c) Oniel Cousins, OT, UTEP = B-
- Add quality depths to the line. Might be able to challenge for the starting spot, but I doubt he wins.

4) Marcus Smith, WR, New Mexico = B
- Replaces DeVard Darling. He's not afraid of going down the middle and gives us some more depth.

4b) David Hale, OT, Weber St = C+
- Another more depth. But I think that someone like Carl Nicks would have been a better choice. But I'm not complaining.

4c) Fabian Washington, CB, Oakland Raiders = A
- Great pick. People thought he would warrant a 2nd or 3rd. He'll step in right away at the nickel spot and might even challenge Samari for the starting spot.

6) Haruki Nakamura, S, Cinncinati = C+
- Adds another good back-up that can replace the horrible Jamine Winborne.

7) Justin Harper, WR, V-Tech = C+
- Adds a big red-zone target. Has some potential that can be brought out.

7b) Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma = D
- Adds more depth. He's a really aggressive type of runner and has potential on special teams. Not really a need though, would have preferred Erin Henderson there.

Overall = B / B+

sweetness34
04-27-2008, 08:30 PM
Bears Draft;

1st Round - Chris Williams LT Vanderbilt: Love, love, love this pick. We got the LT we needed and Williams will start from Day 1. The knock is that he's a little soft but I think added muscle will help him with that. He'll man the left side of our line for the next decade or so (assuming he stays healthy and he stays here). We went with need over BPA but I'm ok with that. The OL depth in this draft was not near as deep as the RB's. Great pick ------ A

2nd Round - Matt Forte RB Tulane: Some consider it a bit of a reach but you can't ignore Forte's production as a senior. Over 2000 yards and was the MVP of the Senior Bowl. Tough runner with good vision, good speed, and has very good cutting ability. Angelo has liked this guy from day one and a lot of people predicted Forte to go here. Like the pick, and it basically tells Benson to either step up or get the **** out ----- B+

3rd Round - Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt: A guy we Bear fans targeted in our team discussion after Saturday. Basically it was him, Doucet, or Manningham with our first pick and we got EB. I really like this pick. He's not going to blow you away with speed or playmaking ability but he was the SEC's All-Time Leading WR, and that's saying something (Calvin Johnson was in the SEC). Has great hands, goes over the middle, good speed, can run after the catch, and blocks. Kiper compared him to a Hines Ward type WR, and I'll take that any day of the week ------- A+

3rd Round - Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas: First round talent, dropped due to injury and off the field issues. Very good against the run and had high production in the SEC for 4 seasons. He's healthy now and our staff believes his problems are behind him. We needed a run stopping DT and he's that, really like the pick. It's not offense but it's definitely value and BPA for us ---- B+

4th Round - Craig Steltz S LSU: Doesn't have the "physical measurables" a lot of teams look for but he's a football player. Great instincts, a playmaker in the backfield, very good against the run, and has good coverage skills. We have some issues at the Safety position and I like this kid a lot. Just has that football player build and gets the job done ----- B+

5th Round - Zack Bowman CB Nebraska: Heard a couple people say when this kid is healthy he was one of the best CB's in the country. Has great ball skills, physical CB, and is good against the run. Very good athlete. He's a high risk/reward type player but I believe he's going to do some things at least on ST as a gunner with his wheels. Has some good upside to work with as well, and with our track record of drafting and developing CB's (Tillman, Vasher, and McBride), I really think he could contribute down the road ----- B

5th Round - Kellen Davis TE/DE MSU: Very good athlete for his size and has some serious tools to work with. People question his character (assault charges) and his work ethic but there's no denying he's got some ability. With Clark likely moving on pretty soon, Davis and Olsen could be a pretty damn good duo at TE and provide some matchup problems. Scott says he doesn't have great timed speed, a 4.6 40 for a man 6'6" 252 is pretty damn good to me. Put up good numbers as a Senior as well. And he also has ability as a DE if TE doesn't work out. I personally like the pick, good athlete with upside - B+

7th Round - Ervin Baldwin: I'll be honest, I don't know much about him but '51 put up a scouting report that said he's a solid player with no real weaknesses. Can rush the passer and can stop the run. Doesn't do anything great but just a solid all around ball player. For a 7th Round pick I'll take it ---- B

7th Round - Chester Adams OG Georgia: Another player with a good frame, good athleticism, and has upside. Scott's scouting report said he's got the potential to be a starter down the line with his tools. Again, for a 7th Rounder I'll take it all day long. We address a need area and while he's not an immediate contributor, down the line he could develop into something very good ---- B+

7th Round - Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State: Maybe another Bear fan can fill me in on this guy because I can't find much about him. He looks a bit undersized but heard he has some good speed and coverage skills. I'll give this one an N/A for now because I don't know much.

7th Round - Kirk Barton OT Ohio State - Really like this pick. All Big 10 Selection opposite Jake Long at OT. If I'm reading it right he was a 4 year starter at RT, holy ****. Very good run blocker and isn't too shabby in pass blocking either. I guess injuries plagued this guy a bit but he's a solid prospect. Again, as a 7th Rounder I really like taking a flyer on this guy. Maybe a diamond in the rough, people question his mobility but I think he has the ability to maybe slide into a guard slot if anything----- B+

7th Round - Marcus Monk WR Arkansas: Love, love, love this pick. Game speed is questioned but he ran a 4.42 40. Great size and hands, good body control which allows him to be a threat in the red zone. Battled injuries his senior year which had to affect his stock a little. He's not a burner or a down the field threat but he's a guy that can go over corners, go over the middle, and provide matchup problems. Hell, he's worth a flyer at least in the 7th Round. My favorte of the 7th Rounders - A

Overall I'd give the draft a B+. Nothing is going to wow you but it's a very, very solid draft. We addressed need areas at LT, RB, WR, S, and DL. We took players with high floors but we also took flyers on guys with good athleticism and high upside. If you notice though, the guys we took all produced at the college level. One of JA's better drafts on paper IMO. And frankly I don't care we didn't get a QB, but that's my opinion.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
04-27-2008, 08:36 PM
Bears Draft;

3rd Round - Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt: A guy we Bear fans targeted in our team discussion after Saturday. Basically it was him, Doucet, or Manningham with our first pick and we got EB. I really like this pick. He's not going to blow you away with speed or playmaking ability but he was the SEC's All-Time Leading WR, and that's saying something (Calvin Johnson was in the SEC). Has great hands, goes over the middle, good speed, can run after the catch, and blocks. Kiper compared him to a Hines Ward type WR, and I'll take that any day of the week ------- A+



CJ was actually in the ACC and damn the bears had A LOT of 7th round picks

DaBears9654
04-27-2008, 08:40 PM
Ignoring quarterback, imo, severely drops the Bears' grade. That and a questionable choice of a tight end -- where we already have a solid 1-2 punch in Olsen and Clark -- I would say drops the Bears to a B-/C+ range.

sweetness34
04-27-2008, 08:43 PM
CJ was actually in the ACC and damn the bears had A LOT of 7th round picks

****, yea I knew that. ACC, SEC. Same thing. ;)

What other good College WR's were there in the SEC? Hmmm...Josh Reed, Dwayne Bowe, Ike Hilliard, Jabar Gaffney, Reche Callwell, Hines Ward (although I don't know if he was actually a WR), Sterling Sharpe, Wendell Davis, Ozzie Newsome, Don Hutson...That's pretty good company, and he was only a Junior.

But yea, my bad on the Calvin Johnson thing lol. It's late.

sweetness34
04-27-2008, 08:46 PM
Ignoring quarterback, imo, severely drops the Bears' grade. That and a questionable choice of a tight end -- where we already have a solid 1-2 punch in Olsen and Clark -- I would say drops the Bears to a B-/C+ range.

Clark is probably gone after his contract is up this year, therefore we have no depth behind Olsen. Davis may have been a questionable pick need wise, but value wise it was fine.

And this whole QB thing is blown way out of proportion. Would I have liked to get one? Sure. Did we HAVE to get one? Nope. We have Orton and Grossman right now, and they're going to get one final shot to prove themselves. I liked some of the QB's in this draft but I wasn't that wowed by them. I still believe Ryan is overrated but that's me. And it's obvious that our staff wasn't too high on the QB's either.

regoob2
04-27-2008, 08:48 PM
Ignoring quarterback, imo, severely drops the Bears' grade. That and a questionable choice of a tight end -- where we already have a solid 1-2 punch in Olsen and Clark -- I would say drops the Bears to a B-/C+ range.After the big 4 QBs there was nothing even remotely good. What if Greg Olsen or Dez Clark get hurt? We would be left with 1 TE. The only pick i'm not sold on was the Bowman pick.

bearsfan_51
04-27-2008, 08:50 PM
Clark got a contract extension Sweetness, he should be around for a while.

sweetness34
04-27-2008, 08:55 PM
Clark got a contract extension Sweetness, he should be around for a while.

It says his contract is up in 2008 on the website....Look at the transactions:

"Signed through 2008"

http://www.chicagobears.com/team/player16.html

????

comahan
04-27-2008, 08:56 PM
HOUSTON TEXANS

1. Duane Brown, LT - #26 Overall
He was a reach to most in terms of value. To some a big reach. That said, he was the top guy left at a position of need (no idea when Spencer will be back and if he will still be a Left Tackle, and Ephraim Salaam isn't the answer, even though hes been serviceable). He was apparently hand picked prior to the draft by Alex Gibbs, and was said to be the guy we'd take if Chris Williams was gone. We traded back and picked up an extra 3rd and 6th, and still got the guy that Gibbs wanted. Brown is perfect for Gibbs and this system. I didn't like the pick when it was initially made, but I've come to trust what Kubiak and Smith do, and I'll trust them on this one as well. Grade wise, pluses for being a great fit at a position of need and picking up an extra 3rd and 6th, minus for being a reach. B-

2. Antwaun Molden, CB - #79 Overall
With Dunta out until around midseason, Cornerback was a must for us in our first few picks this year. Fred Bennett was very very good for us last year, but behind him we have relatively nothing. Dominique Rogers Cromartie was taken just ahead of us by Arizona, and Dallas jumped up and took Jenkins right before us in round one (though I doubt we'd have taken them anyway, if reports are true), and there was a small run on CB's before our pick in round 3, so it seemed to just be bad luck. That said, I really like Molden, even if I don't know a ton about the guy. Mayock said hes basically DRC without the push and notoriety from the senior bowl appearance, I'm going to go along with that, cause it sounds good. Ohhh yeah. Grade wise, pluses for being very talented at a position of need. Minuses for being raw, even though I've heard from reliable sources (.. okay, my sources are a post from toonster, but thats as reliable as anything, right?) .. anyway, according to him, Molden may be a lot more close to 'ready' than people think. B-

3. Steve Slaton, RB - #89 Overall
Our running back situation is far from pretty. When Ahman was healthy last year, he was good. That said, he was healthy for about 13 minutes of the season. Ron Dayne isn't completely awful, but in no way is he good. Walker and Taylor have had very little playing time to know how they'll be, but neither looks to be any type of long term fixture as a starter. Slaton is another good fit at a position of need. Hey look, a theme. Players being taken that play at positions of need. Will add some much (much) needed speed to the running back position, and the overall offense. Grade wise, Pluses for being a good scheme fit at a position of need. Minuses for me not liking the guy. Jerk. B-

4. Xavier Adibi, LB - #118 Overall
Ya know, I love this pick. It's not necessarily because I think he'll be great, it's just that I absolutely loved watching him play at Virginia Tech, and am thrilled to be able to see him every week in the NFL. That aside, he really does have a good shot at coming in and winning the Weakside spot sometime this year. He's a playmaker to go beside the unbelievable solidness, consistency, and football smarts of DeMeco Ryans. And he looks like a complete badass in uniform. Always a plus. Finally, someone who at least has a chance, even if its a small one, at being able to cover Dallas Clark while in the nickel. Grade Wise, pluses for being a playmaker at a position of need, having an awesome name, looking like a complete badass in unfiorm, and being fun to watch. Minuses for nothing, becuase Adibi is a god. And yes, I realize some people will completely and utterly disagree with me on this. A

5. Frank Okam, DT - #151 Overall
I'm pretty sure everyone thinks this, so its not some huge revelation, but he could either be very good, or a complete flop. But even as a flop, theres no chance in hell he can be as unbelievably stupid on the field as Travis Johnson is. If he can get motivated, it'll be a good pick for us. He has the talent around him to be effective, playing next to Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye. Grade wise, pluses for being a Longhorn (Hook em!), being absolutely massive, and being smart as hell. Minuses for being absolutely massive, and for not always giving effort. You know. Same old **** from him. Ill give him a middle of the road grade because this pick can go either way, and can do so in an extreme fashion both ways. He could be very very good, he could end up sucking. Who knows. C

6. Dominique Barber, S - #173 Overall
Uh. Well. Here's where my lack of draft knowledge, or lack of really caring enough to read up on anyone hurts. I don't really know a thing about this guy. He's a safety though. We need safeties. Grade wise, plus for being at a position of need, minus for uh, me not knowing who he is. Besides, brothers of good players rarely work out. C-

7. Alex Brink, QB - #223 Overall
Yea. Again, no idea. I told get to see many (or rather any. I might as well not lie) Washington State games. So I can't say I really know anything about this either. He's a 7th rounder though, so what do I care. Pluses for me not caring enough about him to look for negatives, minuses for me not knowing who he is. C-




Anyway. Overall, we filled a lot of needs with some guys who have some good upside. None were sexy picks, and our #1 was a reach, so it'll be looked at negatively, but as a fan, I'm perfectly fine with this class.

neko4
04-27-2008, 08:58 PM
would any none packer fan care to grade our draft, Im curious to see what outsiders think.

TigerBait45
04-27-2008, 09:08 PM
New Orleans Saints

1-Sedrick Ellis, DT, Southern Cal- I love this pick. Defensive tackle is an area of huge need for the Saints, and Ellis is the stud DT we've been craving for a while. What makes this better for me is that the Saints moved up for only a third round pick, which is nothing compared to what they offered the Cheifs to move up for Dorsey. Ellis is going to be an impact player immediately for the Saints and it fills a hole. A+

2-Tracy Porter- CB, Indiana- I don't know much about him, but from what I've heard and seen he should help out a really shallow secondary. Great athlete with what are considered by some scouts to be the best pure cover skills in the draft. Solid pick. Grade: B+

3- Traded to New England.

4- Traded for Vilma. Another move I adore. We had quite possibly the worst group of starting linebackers in the NFL last year and Vilma immediately improves the situation. If he stays healthy we finally have a real threat other than Fujita at linebacker. Grade: A

5- DeMario Pressley- DT, NC State- Another pick I really like. As I said earlier, DT is a huge need area for the Saints. Brian Young and Hollis Thomas are adequate, but after them there is little depth. Pressley gives the Saints another explosive athlete to throw into the mix. He has the frame and skill set to be a solid pass rusher, but he needs to learn to play with better leverage and keep his motor running a little more consistently. Could end up being a solid player. Grade: B+

5- Carl Nicks- OT/OG, Nebraska I think to get Nicks in the 5th is an absolute steal. Hes versatile enough to play tackle or move inside to guard. Very athletic for such a big man, and he threw up 30 reps at the combine. I think this is the heir apparent to John Stinchcomb. Very good pick. Grade: A

6- Taylor Mehlhaff- Kicker, Wisconsin- Eh..I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Hes definitely got a big leg but his mechanics are kind of funky sometimes. I guess it does address a need, though, since Martin Gramatica can't be seen as the answer. Grade: C+

7- Adrian Arrington- WR, Michigan- This is another guy I kind of like. I was actually a little shocked to see him still around in the 7th. Hes big with a little bit of a burst, so I think he could end up being a player. Plus, the last time we took a receiver in the 7th round it worked out. =P Grade: B

Overall: A-. I really like this draft. We got the guy we wanted in the first and filled the rest of the class with solid players. I don't think we reached on anyone (unlike last year) and we got some guys with great upside like Pressley and Nicks.

JagHombre22
04-27-2008, 09:16 PM
Jacksonville Jaguars

#8- Derrick Harvey, DE
Harvey by many accounts would not have gotten past the Bengals at #9...so when the Jaguars traded up 18 spots to get him...needless to say I was gasping for air...Harvey brings a nasty pass rush mentality to the Dline and he's also a very quick everydown's DE. I'm predicting he's starting on day 1.
GRADE: A

#52- Quentin Groves, DE/OLB
Groves is a tweener but with added weight can become an every down's DE. He's quick and will be used right away on third down situations. Regarded by many to be a late first round pick he slipped into the second round due to "Character" concerns and a heart murmur. All is well though and the Jaguars got another steal.
GRADE: A-

#155- Thomas Williams, MLB
Williams was USC's 4th best linebacker...started some games for them in his career there, but played most special teams and the backup role. But JDR felt that Williams was good enough at USC to start for 80% of the rest of the nation. Williams will be a STer if he makes the team and would likely backup Mike Pete or Daryl Smith.
GRADE: C-

#159- Trae Williams, CB
Williams was awesome value in the 5th round. Mike Jenkin's field partner in the secondary many believe Williams out played Jenkins for the most part, it's just that Williams doesn't have the athleticism or quickness to be an everydown's CB in the NFL. He's second in USF history for interceptions and holds the record for INT's returned for TD's with 4 (3 in 2007). He is almost certain to play nickel or dime for us.
GRADE: B-

#213- Chauncey Washington, RB
Washington played in 31 games at USC and started 15 of them. He gained 1800 yards and 19 touchdowns in his career at USC. Washington is put in a win win situation seeing how the Jaguars need a third down back or 3rd back overall. He will be given every opportunity to keep a roster spot. He really was BAT (Best Available Trojan). Washington's best game came against Cal last season in which he ran for 220 yards.
GRADE: B+


OVERALL GRADE: B+

Shane P. Hallam
04-27-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm gonna try to do all 32 grades tomorrow during the day

yodabear
04-27-2008, 09:19 PM
Rams first round: A+

The rest of the rounds I could care less, I turned the draft after we took Donnie Avery cuz I was pissed off. I watched baseball instead.

SFbear
04-27-2008, 09:20 PM
It says his contract is up in 2008 on the website....Look at the transactions:

"Signed through 2008"

http://www.chicagobears.com/team/player16.html

????

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080224-desmond-clark-kyle-orton,1,5139594.story

He was signed til 2010 this offseason.

d34ng3l021
04-27-2008, 09:24 PM
Atlanta Falcons

Matt Ryan: A-
This pick can really come back and bite us in the draft. We took him over what many teams had as the number one overall player in Glenn Dorsey. I guess Dorsey's injury concerns didnt check out, which played a factor is us taking Matt Ryan over him. What I like about this pick is a face to the franchise. He is a high character guy who brings immediate leadership to a team that is in rambles. With an adequate skillset and great intangibles, I think he should be a solid addition to the Falcons.

Sam Baker: B+
The more I think about this pick, the more I like it. It was clear that we had to protect the blindside of our $60 million investment. Trading up to get one of the other OT's would have cost too much (possibly a future 1st) so we had to settle for Sam Baker. I guess trading up that high was needed, because of the run of OTs that were being taken. With 7 or 8 OT being taken in the first round and none in the 2nd, it was clear that there was a large drop off in talent after Baker and Brown. People think if we stayed at 34, we could have gotten Sam Baker, but that just isnt true. The Texans would have jumped all over Sam Baker and Duane Brown has alot of flaws. I like the trade up because of his potential at LT with his quick feet and lots of experience. He may not be the most physical LT in the league, but he is going to do a good job protecting Matt Ryan in passing situations.

Curtis Lofton: A-
Great instinctual LB at the top of the 2nd (DeMeco Ryans anyone? :)). He should come in and start day 1 and rack up the tackles while playing next to Michael Boley. He should be in contention for DRotY with Gholston and Mayo and Connor and Long (I may be forgetting some other LBs). Once again, we get a high with a great character and leadership abilities.

Chevis Jackson: B-
Not the biggest fan of this pick to be honest, but he fits our scheme. We will most likely be playing alot of zone and he is a guy who flat out knows how to play football. Very instinctive and comes from a great program. He should be able to contribute his rookie year I think with his experience.

Harry Douglas: B-
I think we reached for this pick. He would have been available a round or two later I think. He is the perfect slot receiver and it looks obviously like we are going to give Matt Ryan some weapons. I would have rather preferred a TE for a young QB though.

Thomas DeCoud: C
I really dont like this pick. I think the only thing he has going for himself is his leadership ability. I dont think he is athletic enough to play safety in the pros. He has great awareness and was a leader at Cal, but I really dont think his athletic ability will translate well in the NFL. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

Robert James: D
Wtf a WLB? I really dont like this pick only because I think we could have gotten guys we need. We already have a developmental guy in Nicholas to take over WLB when Keith Brooking is cut or retires. Hopefully he turns out to be a stud. Falcons 5th round OLBs hopefully start to set trends

Kroy Biermann: C
I like this OLB pick more than the previous one, but once again...OLB? Really? I really dont think so much depth is necessary at the OLB, especially when we have no depth at DT.

Thomas Brown: B-
Not a terrible pick. Norwood cant handle the load, and we dont know what Turner can do as a starter. I like Thomas Brown's skillset and I bet he reminds alot of people of Warrick Dunn.

Wilrey Fontenot: A-
A day 2 pick that I actually like. He knows how to play ball and is a good athlete but dropped because of his lack of physicality. He breaks well on balls, and that is good to hear. Hopefully he will have time to make some plays. I like this kid alot.

Keith Zinger: B
Finally we address TE, even though Kellen Davis fell so far. I think a good TE is key in developing a young QB...actually...I doubt this guy makes the team.

Overall: B+
I think we did a good job drafting as a whole. If you look at everyone, you can see that each of them dont have character concerns and were leader and are natural football players. They might not put up the best times at the combine, but are instinctual and have great awareness for the game of football. I like that alot for a franchise who is rebuilding. I expect us to lose a ton of games again and we will most likely be in contention for the first overall pick next year, but with this core of leaders and last years possible studs, we should begin to compete playoffs in a few years.

49ersfan_87
04-27-2008, 09:31 PM
49ers Draft

Round 1- Kentwan Balmer, 3-4 DE

A bit of a confusing pick. We just re-signed Isaac Sopoaga and signed Justin Smith to be our 3-4 DE's. But Balmer as DE probably means Sopoaga moves back to NT. I like us addressing the DL, it should make the defense better, but i'm a bit worried about Balmer. One year of production in college is a bit of a red-flag...hopefully he doesn't bust.

Round 2- Chilo Rachal, OG

He could play RT in the NFL, but i believe he will play LG for us. I would have preferred an OT, but after 8 tackles were taken in the top 26, the quality of OT's dropped off big-time. And after our OL gave up a league-high 55 sacks, we had to address it. Hopefully he will be a mauling OG who can pass protect well for us. I thought we would pick him in the 3rd round honestly, but i dont think the 49ers could risk losing out on him.

Round 3- Reggie Smith, CB/FS

He is supposedly being viewed as a CB to eventually replace Walt Harris...but he also could play FS as well. I think he will be a good player and this is actually my favorite pick...i love his versatility. I had no idea he would be available at 75, but im glad he dropped.

Round 4- Cody Wallace, Center

More depth for the OL. Our center Eric Heitmann was terrible for much of last year, and is entering a contract year to boot. Adding him and Rachal have boosted our interior depth. Our interior OL has been terrible in pass protection for the past 2 years (Our 3 starting Interior Lineman were all awful at pass protecting, and our run blocking was terrible at the start of the season as well).

Round 6- Josh Morgan, WR

Meh, a decent pick. I don't think he will make the roster..but who knows. Maybe Martz will make something of him.

Round 7- Larry Grant, ILB

He is being viewed as the TED ILB and will compete for that spot with Dontarrious Thomas. If he makes the roster, he likely won't do much more than Special Teams, at least the first year anyway. I might have preferred taking a gamble on other players such as Lionel Dotson or Adarius Bowman, but whatever, its just a 7th.

Overall: Id grade it a B. We addressed the trenches in a big way. We could have drafted guys like Jackson and Groves but they would struggle because we dont have the guys up front. But we made it a huge priority to draft the lines...and our guys will benefit. We've added talent and playmakers...but they all struggle. Its no coincedence that our OL and DL were all average at best.

BTW: What do non 49er fans think of this draft? Our draft gets overlooked because outside of Reggie Smith, we really didnt draft any playmakers whatsoever. But id be interested in hearing what people think of our draft.

Cunningham
04-27-2008, 09:55 PM
Ryan Clady OT - predictable but solid pick. fills a glaring need and should be our franchise left tackle who's in charge of protecting cutler's blind side. judging from his wonderlic and interview he seems to be stupid which is a concern. A-

Eddie Royal WR - different from the clady pick in that it was a surprise and he seems to be an intelligent, high character guy. this is important given our recent off the field issues. royal will most likely be our starting returner come opening day. interesting that we passed on jackson, kelly, and sweed for him. B-

Kory Lichtensteiger C - another pick that was used to bolster the offensive line with. he could be used as either a guard or a center. will end up replacing nalen after he retires unless shanny decides to switch hamilton. B

Jack Williams CB - a slightly less talented version of darrent williams in that he's a small guy with good speed and toughness. i have trouble believing that he'll end up being any better than paymah and foxworth. C

Ryan Torain RB - an intriguing pick who probably would of received a lot more recognition if it hadn't been for a foot injury midway through his senior year. has good size but quickness and speed might restrict him to a backup role. shanny seems to really like him which could be good or bad. B+

Carlon Powell DT - definitely a surprise that we waited to address the defensive tackle position till the fourth round, even considering the acquisition of roberston. seems to be an all around solid player who at the very least should be a good rotational player. B+

Spencer Larsen ILB - of all the picks this one makes the least sense. productive in college but doesn't have the speed that is required for our linebackers. quite a few linemen are faster than him. shanny mentioned he might be used as a fullback. D+

Josh Barrett - very athletic player who was a great value pick. B

Peyton Hillis FB - another good value pick but this grade gets knocked down if we don't sign an undrafted kicker/punter. B-

overall i'll give it a B-

sweetness34
04-27-2008, 09:57 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080224-desmond-clark-kyle-orton,1,5139594.story

He was signed til 2010 this offseason.

Well then **** the Bears Website, they still have him signed through 2008. I still like Davis though even if it wasn't a need.

MooshooGawd
04-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Wow. Did anybody not like their teams draft? It's all A's and B's from 1st round - 7th.

Scotty D
04-27-2008, 10:16 PM
Wow. Did anybody not like their teams draft? It's all A's and B's from 1st round - 7th.

Any fan is going spin their draft into a A or B.

Caddy
04-27-2008, 10:18 PM
Aqib Talib: Initially, I was extremely cautious about this pick. However after contemplating it further, I don't think it is as bad as some think. Talib is fast, big, and more physical than most give him credit for. Not to mention he is a play maker with good ball skills who has the potential to make regular interceptions. He'll be worked into the rotation early and act as insurance for Barber, Wilson and Buchanon whose futures in Tampa are all cloudy.

Dexter Jackson: Will be brought along slowly with the hopes of becoming something like Joey Galloway. He is fast, agile and will upgrade our return game. I don't think he sees a ton of playing time as rookie, other than the odd trick play or slot play, but once Galloway hangs up the boots he will have a huge opportunity.

Jeremy Zuttah: I had it in my last mock draft, albeit not in the 3rd round. The ultimate back-up offensive lineman who can sub in anywhere on the offensive line. A luxury to have on game day.

Dre Moore: Amazing pick. Moore has plenty of question marks, but he has the tangibles to become a stud in Tampa. Will probably back up Hovan early but will be worked into the rotation and hopefully can start in 09.

Josh Johnson: I'm not really an advocate of drafting a QB this year, but Josh Johnson in the 5th round is amazing. Like Mayock said, if you don't know who your QB of the future is, and there is a prospect you really love in the mid-late rounds, you have to take him.

Geno Hayes: Not crazy about the pick, but he is young and has potential. Will probably have to battle Antoine Cash, Matt McCoy, Adam Hayward and Ryan Nece just to make the roster.

Cory Boyd: Boyd is a fantastic pick in the 7th round. He is a great fit in our defense and could be the Pittman of the future thanks to his receiving skills. Better than Kenneth Darby from last year. I doubt him making the roster, but with Caddy's status still cloudy, it makes a lot of sense.

Overall Grade: B+

draftguru151
04-27-2008, 10:18 PM
1(1). Jake Long OT Michigan- We badly needed a tackle. We only had Vernon Varey on the roster and he's a better fit at RT. Is Jake Long going to be a Joe Thomas? Probably not, but he's a damn good player and a great guy to build the offense around. Don't like the deal he got but he was great pick with need and value.
A-

2(32). Phillip Merling DE Clemson- At first I was a bit HUH with this pick as I didn't see it happening at all. After realizing it though I really like it. Merling is a great fit as a 5 technique, I absolutely love him as a player. We badly needed a 3-4 DE, right now we have Vonnie Holliday and a bunch of question marks, neither looking good for the future. Great value for Merling, great fit for the team and filled a need. Doesn't get much better.
A

2(57). Chad Henne QB Michigan- I thought for sure we were going to take him at 32, getting him at 57 was great. He was the guy we wanted at QB all along and we got him late in the 2nd. I don't think Henne will be a superstar but I do think he will be a good starting QB. Solid pick, tons of experience and should fight for PT right away.
B

3(66). Kendell Langford DE Hampton- LOVED this pick. Langford has amazing physical potential and is a great fit as a 3-4 DE. Might have been a bit early but we really didn't have a choice not having another pick for a while. Won't see the field right away most likely but should definitely contribute. Getting likely 2 starting DEs for the 3-4 in one draft is great.
A

4(110). Shawn Murphy OG Utah State- A bit of a huh pick especially since we traded up for him. Would have rather had some other guys that were on the board but I really don't know much about this guy so who knows. We badly needed a OG and he seems like a Parcells guy. Has a cool dad!
C+

6(176). Jalen Parmele RB Toledo- Big, fast and productive. Much better fit for what we are looking for than Booker. Nice pick up in the 6th.
B

6(195). Donald Thomas OG Connecticut- Another good pick late. Needed bodies inside and Thomas has some potential. Has skinny legs but a big upper body. Nice pick in the 6th.
B

6(204). Lex Hilliard RB/FB Montana- Didn't really like this pick, too small for a FB, too slow for a RB. Maybe he takes Mauia's spot who really didn't play that well last year, who knows.
D

7(245). Lionel Dotson DT Arizona- 7th rounder, more depth on the DL, Dotson had a good senior season and has some potential. Not a bad pick.
C

Overall- Really love what we did on a whole, Parcells type draft all the way. 3 OL, 3 DL. We filled a lot of needs, finally got our LT, picked up a QB, got good value at most of our picks. Long and one of the guards should start, Henne will compete and Merling and Langford should see the field and I think Merling will probably start some time during the season, should be our starting DEs for a long time. Great building blocks for the future. Not moving Taylor was probably a mistake, he's a great player but isn't going to help the future of the team like a Quentin Groves could have.
A-

RCAChainGang
04-27-2008, 10:24 PM
Chicago Bears

1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

-I preferred Otah, mostly because I like big mauling offensive lineman, but left tackles get paid to protect the quarterback and Williams is very good at that. He's got great size, good feet, and good hands. Plus, he's a really smart kid, and that gets huge points in my book. Biggest need with probably the best player to fit that need. Grade= A

2nd round- Matt Forte, RB, Tulane

-The whole question was whether the Bears would draft a replacement for Benson or a compliment for Benson. I think we've got that answer. Forte was arguably the best 2-down back available at 44 (him or Rice), and has an overall good package. Tough guy, good hands, great character. It wouldn't suprise me to see Benson not even on the team next year, though that would take some development on Garrett Wolfe's part as well. Grade= B+

3rd round- Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt

-At this point it seemed pretty clear we would go WR, be it Bennett or Doucet. Bennett has a little better speed and is probably the more likely to develop into a starter. With our WR position in such flux he could start right away if he has a nice summer. Probably will never be a #1, but could be a longterm starter. Grade= B+

3rd Round- Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas

-What is there to say about Harrison? Great run stuffer, tremendous talent, serious character concerns. Lots of NFL players do drugs, so this isn't a grand revelation, but the added health concerns dropped him. That said, as a late 3rd rounder? That's lower than many were projecting him. Hopefully he's not another Tank Johnson, but even still it's a lower pick. Grade= B

4th Round- Craig Steltz, S, Lousiana State

-I like Steltz. He's not a gym shorts type, but he played at a really high level for one of the best teams in the country the last two years. We've got a lot of openings in our safety position so he could compete to be what Adam Arcuhleta was supposed to be. Worst case scenario he should be a really good special teams guy. Grade= B

5th Round- Zack Bowman, Defensive Back, Nebraska

-I'm waiting to hear what the full plan is for Bowman, as I've heard they are projecting him as a free safety. Could have been a 1st rounder based on talent, but that was a long time ago. As it is, the 4th or 5th round was about where most people expected Bowman to go, so this works fine for me. Could also serve as a return man should we decide to phase Hester out. Grade= B

5th Round- Kellen Davis, Tight End, Michigan State

-Nice athlete, good value, questionable need. We already have one of the best tight end combos in football. Could Davis play more of a H-back role? Maybe split out? Hell, he could be a defensive end prospect. There's a lot to like about Kellen Davis as a draft prospect. Kiper had him ranked 61st overall. I'm just not sure why we picked him. Would have preferred Josh Johnson, although it's questionable if Johnson could throw in Chicago winters. Grade= C

After that we had four 4th rounders that I don't really feel like typing out. Overall I give us a B+/A- and think our draft is realy falling under the radar. We found good value's up and down the board and filled our biggest needs.

Craig Steltz is a quality player :D

hugegmenfan
04-27-2008, 10:25 PM
GIANTS

1. Kenny Phillips- Falls into our laps we scoop him up. Giants lost Gibril to the Raiders, we pick up a safety probably better than Gibril even now. Although i think his skills make him more fit to be a SS, I think he starts FS from day one and does an above average job. A/A+

2. Terrell Thomas- A good fit for our scheme, he can blitz well, tackles decently, has nice long arms and height. Good for at least a nickel or dime.B-/B

3. SUPER Mario Manningham- we are apparently really high on the guy. Has some character issues but we have a great locker room and staff to support him. Gets great seperation, decent hands, runs good routes, great after the catch. Probably going to be a reserve if Plax or Toomer get hurt. B+

4. Bryan Kehl- could play SLB or WLB in our system, at worst will be a very good special teamer. B/B-

5. Jonathan Goff- brought in to eventually replace Antonio Pierce i presume, he is intelligent and constantly improving upon every year, close to 100 tackles two years in a row, is a pretty good blitzer.B/B-

6a. Andre Woodson- very very good value here, he has his faults but overall he could develop into a very good backup and maybe a starter years from now.B

6b. Robert Henderson- a dominant pass rusher, probably ideal for our ace package of 4 DEs on 3rd and long. Maybe a diamond in the rough?C+

Overall id give us a solid B/B+


Ill give my take
1. Kenny Phillips- I am excited about Phillips because he is a guy who can come in day 1 and probably start for us. He comes from a great program which has produced some stars at his position and side of the ball. Phillips has a lot potential and i think the giants have the guys in place already to keep him in line, focus wise. A-/A

2. Terrell Thomas- Thomas has some injury concerns, but fits our defensive system really well. If he stays healthy, he could be a big contributor for us. B-/B

3. Mario Manningham- Manningham does not have the ideal size and measurables you look for, but his college production is undeniable. Toomer is a michigan alum and will teach this guy everything he knows, making him very valuable and assuming his minor character flaws stay hidden, this could be a total steal. B+

4. Bryan Kehl- We traded up to get Kehl. He is one of Mayock's sleepers in this draft and may not have great upside but is a solid football player and will provide good depth for us. B-

5. Jonathan Goff- This is the pick I am actually most excited about. I loved Goff from the moment i watched him at the senior bowl. He is a leader and a strong tackler and hopefully will learn from Pierce to take over eventually at MLB and this was tremendous value. B+

6. Andre Woodson- Its good value here. We now have 5 QBs on our roster , but at one point was considered one of the best Qbs in this draft. Hopefully he will be bred and groomed in our system to be a solid backup for Eli. C+

6. Robert Henderson- I did not know anything about him when we picked him. But he will obvs be used as a backup, reserve DE and special teamer probably. The Giants have a nack at grabbing pass rushers late in the draft or at least in later rounds a la Justin Tuck, Osi was a 2nd rounder, etc. C+

BaLLiN
04-27-2008, 10:29 PM
^^^ Pretty similar to my grades :) , i like the way you think

etk
04-27-2008, 10:32 PM
Holy crap I just realized how incredible the Chiefs draft was. I'm lower on Dorsey and Albert than others but that's still a heck of a class.

fischbowl
04-27-2008, 10:47 PM
Overall Grade= B-

Leodis McKelvin: C+

Not a big fan of McKelvin, but that's just me. Would of preferred DRC

James Hardy: A+

Equates to everything we could of needed and imagined. Will most definitely be an immediate weapon in the red zone. A true dream come true

Chris Ellis: C+

C+ with Cliff Avril on the board. Always saw him as more of a fit in the 3-4 as an OLB. Some character flags

Reggie Corner: A+

Nice sleeper corner. Great cover-2 fit. Great MAC talent

Derek Fine: B

Best TE available. Can't blame the Bills here.

Alvin Bowen: B

A little undersized, but a great tackler, could be Coy Wire Parte Deux, seeing time at OLB and SS

Xavier Omon: C

Great Player, but why a RB, when we are like 5 deep already?

Demetrius Bell: A+

Bastard son of Karl Malone a project at OT, should be a great backup and eventual starter

Steve Johnson: B

Good WR depth

Kennard Cox: B-

Don't know too much of him so he gets an average grade

eaglesfan_45
04-27-2008, 10:47 PM
I give the Lions an A for effort. They had self restraint and didn't take a WR until the 5th Round. Nice Job Matt! [applause]

The way I see it, Matt Millen is like a alcoholic, he in the final stages of rehab, and sure he still drafted a WR but if you send an alcoholic to a bar what to you expect?

TheGreatEscape
04-28-2008, 12:50 AM
i like what the bills did and think they've put some distance between themselves and the jets/dolphins in that division. McKelvin will start opposite McGee giving them a nice tandem, moving greer to NB. Hardy will be a perfect fit opposite Evans and Edwards suddenly has a big go to guy in the redzone. Ellis will get into the DE rotation quickly and theother guys will be good depth/STers.

LonghornsLegend
04-28-2008, 02:01 AM
I like Woodson but there are some real questions if he could play in a WCO (though who knows what Turner runs at this point).

I'm hopeful we'll add Paul Smith as an UDFA. We talked to him a fair bit I know that.

I agree with Toonster though, past the 2nd/3rd round we likely wouldn't have found a whole lot anyway. If Orton/Grossman fail this year we'll likely have to go QB in the 1st or trade for a guy like Brady Quinn.


That's the reason why I like the Bears draft, if they do have to take a QB in round 1 next year, he will be coming into a really good situation, with two good backs, a great LT and some pass protection, and a good defense...Now your not asking a guy to get thrown into the fire with no protection or weapons.

Thunder&Lightning
04-28-2008, 07:00 AM
Chargers:

1(27): Antoine Cason
Love the pick for the bolts. Right tackle was their greatest need but their was not a RT available that was worth the #27 pick. Cason was the best corner on the board and is an upgrade over Florence in my opinion. B+

3(69): Jacob Hester
Terrible pick in my opinion. First Hester is a reach here and fullback is not even a great need for us having Pinnock. Second we gave up our 5th round pick and our 2009 2nd round pick! I didnt even think Hester was worth a 5th round pick. F

5(66) Marcus Thomas
Average pick. Running Back was an obvious need. I dont think he will take Sproles's backup position but he will be great for depth. C

6(192) Dejuan Tribble
Awesome Pick! Favorite pick in the draft for the Bolts. Even though we drafted Cason in the first round you can never have to many corners in my mind. Tribble was the best available player and should have gone as early as the 4th round. Great pick by AJ. A

7(234) Corey Clark
Offensive Line was a need he will address depth and give the started good competition on the practice squad atleast. C

Jakey
04-28-2008, 08:20 AM
Steelers grade = B+

The first 2 picks desrve an A+, i like Davis and Hills, and Humpal and Mundy give good depth. I think B+ is abit right! :)

TheGreatEscape
04-28-2008, 10:01 AM
Kenny Phillps, S, Miami - B+
A good value who fills a big need and fits our scheme, should start from day one.

Tyrrell Thomas, CB, USC - B-
Another guy who fits our scheme and fills a big need. I would've perfered Justin King because he has the top end speed to keep with receivers ross can't, but Thomas is a Ross clone and should have a good impact on our team.

Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan - C-
I hate Manningham as a prospect and am sure he'll bust, but at the end of the third he's not quite as terrible of a pick, but he's soft, dumb, drops a lot of passes and only has one good route, the fly.

Bryan Kehl, LB, BYU - B+
A hardworking, athletic LB who will give us a good backup at the WILL and push Wilk to step up.

Jonathon Goff, MLB, Vandy - A
Like this one a lot as he's an AP clone, hard hitting thumper at the Mike who's a solid athlete but excells on his instincts and hard work.

Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky - B
Was once considered the top QB in this draft, if we can speed up his deliver he could develop into a very good back up and tradeable commodity.

Robert Henderson, DE, Southern Miss - B
As a sixth rounder he has the potential be a significant contributed with his size and quickness off the edge, very raw but no one's asking him to beat out Strahan, Osi and Tuck as a rook.

kiranadwaney
04-28-2008, 11:56 AM
Atlanta Falcons

3. Matt Ryan (A)

High character, smart, pocket quaterback who will be the face of the franchise for many years to come. May not be the most athletic in terms of arm strength and speed but has the intangibles you look for in a franchise quaterback. Fills our biggest need.

21. Sam Baker (A-)

We have no one on the roster who can play LT and this guy was an all american when at USC. Although many people thought we did not need to trade up for him I am sure he would not be on the board at 34. With the run on OT early in the first round Baker would have landed either in Pittsburgh at 23, Houston at 26 or Green Bay at 30. It was a nice move by the front office to get a player who will start from day one and will protect our investment in Matt Ryan.

37. Curtis Lofton (A)

When looking at the Falcons defence I get the feeling that any running back in the league has the potential to run them into the ground. Lofton will be able to change that. A classic thumper in the middle who will be a leader of the defence and allows Keith Brooking to be moved back to WLB. Another good high character player.

68. Chevis Jackson (B-)

Played for the national champions and underdstands how to play his position. However his 4.60 forty time scares me. Looks to me that he is more suited for a cover 2 scheme. Although he does not fit our defence has the chance to start opposite Chris Houston as a rookie. I would have prefered to see us select Antwuan Molden with this pick.

84. Harry Douglas (D)

Was a reach in the third round and also does not fit a need. If he was a good return man I would understand but he isn't. He wont see the field much because we already have Rody White, Michael Jenkins, Laurent Robinson and Joe Horn if he does not get cut. With major needs along the OL, at TE and at DT, would have prefered to see these areas addressed.

98. Thomas DeCoud (B)

A good value pick who helps add depth at every position in our secondary. Will feature as a special teams player who could start in a year or two replacing the aging Lawyer Milloy.

138. Robert James (B-)

Looks like an undersized weakside linebacker. Similar type of player to Stephen Nicholas who we picked last year and does not fill a need, so I dont understand the pick. He plays hard and gives he all but we have depth at WLB so I am not sure where he will fit in. Could turn into a special teams ace.

154. Kroy Biemann (B)

Situational pass rusher who will add depth at the end position. Undersized so may have to add weight or may play MLB or SLB in the NFL. Has good speed and will be able to make the transition. Either way he adds depth.

172. Thomas Brown (D)

May be decent value in the 6th round but with Michael Turner and Jerous Norwood we have the perfect one two punch. Will get the chance to compete against Jason Snelling for the third running back spot but I doubt he makes the team. A wasted pick in my opinion.

212. Wilrey Fontenot (B-)

Has experiance playing opposite Antonie Cason at Arizona. Has good speed and can contribute on special teams player and adds depth at corner.

232. Keith Zinger (C)

Had a good pro day and adresses a need. However I think we needed to adress the position earlier in the draft. Will never be able to cause any match up problems but might be a solid player. Lacks production at the college level.

Overall B/B-

We adressed are major needs at QB and LT, although we still have many holes. We needed to add another tackle and a guard as well as a defensive tackle. We will have a high pick next year and will continue the rebuilding process. Overall I was expecting much more from this draft.

yodabear
04-28-2008, 12:01 PM
Well the Rams get an A for round 1, a B- for round 4 cuz that was just luck, rounds 2-3 and 5-7 get a F cuz IDK who we drafted in most of them. And that averages out to be a C+, a 3-13 team from last year needs a better than C+ draft class. SO SCOTTY LINEHAN, HAPPY TRAILS TO U, I HOPE U DIE A PAINFUL DEATH IN 40 YEARS, SO HAPPY TRAILS TO U, UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

21ST
04-28-2008, 12:09 PM
WASHINGTON REDSKINS DRAFT

2(2) Devin Thomas WR Michigan State

Excellent pick, the Redskins were able to trade back, pick up some extra picks, and still get the best WR in the draft. Thomas has a great speed-size combo and good hands. His size makes him and ideal fit for the skins as we implement our new west-coast offense. Campbell needs all the big targets he can get because he has a tendency to throw high. A

2(17) Fred Davis TE USC

Another good pick. Davis adds versatility and depth to the offense and is another great target for Campbell. A lot of people had Davis as the top TE in the draft so there was excellent value getting him in the middle of the second. B+

2.(20) Macolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

Kelly gives us more depth at receiver and gives Jason yet another big target to throw at. Kelly should compete with Thomas for the starting job opposite Santana Moss and is and excellent blocker. Some may not like this pick but i dont think there is anything wrong with the redskins trying to solve 1 problem at a time. B

3.(comp 33) Chad Rinhart OT/OG Northern Iowa

Another good pick for the skins, Rinhart brings youth and depth to the O-line. Should be a guard but could project very well as the redskins future left tackle. B+

4.(25) Justin Tryon CB Arizona State

A bit of a reach I think but a solid pick and it defiantly fits a need. Tryon although short, has excellent speed and is very willing to help in run support. Should come in and be a force on special teams right away. C+

6.(2) Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech

Punter was a need and we got the best one in the draft. He should really push Frost all through preseason and be the starting punter by September. B

6.(14) Kareem Moore S Nicholls State

Moore gives needed depth at safety and has nice potential. Could eventually turn into a starter and will be very effective on special teams. B

6.(20) Colt Brennan QB Hawaii

I loved the picked just because of his tribute to Sean Taylor but i sat and thought about it and it makes sense. With work on his mechanics he can be a solid back up. Don't need a big arm in the west coast offense you just need to be on time. C+

7(35) Rob Jackson DE Kansas State

Looks like a situational pass rusher but our line is old so and depth is welcomed. C

7(42) Chris Horton S UCLA

Eh idk D

Overall B

FloridaFootball
04-28-2008, 12:17 PM
7(42) Chris Horton S UCLA

Eh idk D



lol classic

The Great Jonathan Vilma
04-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Wow. Did anybody not like their teams draft? It's all A's and B's from 1st round - 7th.

most people will be optimistic at this point, unless it is super obvious it blew. An example would be last year a Dolphins fan arguing to the death how much better the Dolphin draft was with Ginn and Beck, over the Jets draft with Revis and Harris. People all new Ginn was a reach, and he also argued that the Dolphins drafted more players, and therefore had a higher chance of success.

Needless to say, i'm sure he was very happy this past year and i'm sure he still agrees the Dolphins Draft > Jets Draft.

Thankfully i haven't seen that guy around in a long time

sup3rdup3r
04-28-2008, 01:12 PM
HOUSTON TEXANS

[/B]7. Alex Brink, QB - #223 Overall
Yea. Again, no idea. I told get to see many (or rather any. I might as well not lie) Washington State games. So I can't say I really know anything about this either. He's a 7th rounder though, so what do I care. Pluses for me not caring enough about him to look for negatives, minuses for me not knowing who he is. [B]C-



USC fan here, I follow pac-10 football religiously...you have a potential big time steal with Brink. He's a big time clutch performer, great pocket presence, marginal arm but great accuracy. His interception stat is a little mis-leading(15) because almost half those picks(6) came in one game against oregon state(probably the worst game of his career). He's perfect for the WCO, I was hoping my niners would take him in the 6th or 7th, but I think he might be a better fit with the texans. I'll be very interested in watching him play in pre-season.

Shane P. Hallam
04-28-2008, 01:46 PM
Here are all my grades:

Every team upgraded, we don't know how these guys will work out. Therefore, I don't give less than C grades. So, take that for what it is worth. Later, I will include a list in order of best to worst.


Arizona: B+

I think Arizona stole DRC and filled a major hole. Afterwards, they made some nice value picks (Campbell, and Doucet,) and some picks to fit their team (Iwebema, Hightower). I'm still not sure if their value picks will fit in, like Campbell in the 3-4, as he would have to do a lot of work. Likewise, DE wasn't a MAJOR need and they had some holes elsewhere that may have been addressed earlier. Some good picks raise the grade, but leaving holes lowers it.

1. DRC DB/Tennessee-State
2. Calais Campbell DE/Miami
3. Early Doucet WR/LSU
4. Kenny Iwebema DE/Iowa
5. Tim Hightower RB/Richmond
6. Chris Harrington LB/Texas A&M
7. Brandon Keith OT/Northern Iowa

Atlanta: A-

I like Atlanta's draft more than most. Atlanta needs instant franchise players, so trading up for Baker may be the best choice. If Ryan, Baker, and Turner turn out to be good players, they could have a powerful offense. I like the next picks as they are possible impact players for their system (Jackson, Lofton, and DeCoud). Harry Douglas could end up as a #2 WR even. Good all around draft with a lot of players who could make an impact

1. Matt Ryan QB/Boston College
1. Sam Baker OT/USC
2. Curtis Lofton LB/Oklahoma
3. Chevis Jackson CB/LSU
3. Harry Douglas WR/Louisville
3. Thomas DeCoud S/Cal
5. Robert James LB/Arizona State
5. Kroy Bierrmann LB/Montana
6. Thomas Brown RB/Georgia
7. Wilrey Fontenot CB/Arizona
7. Keith Zinger TE/LSU

Baltimore: B-

Trading down, and losing value, then trading up, and losing value, just seemed a little extreme. True, they didn't know they could have ended up with Henne late 2nd, but even after Flacco, Ray Rice doesn't seem to me to instantly help this team. Zbikowski was a reach, and Gooden and Cousins may need some time. This team is in crisis, and they did okay in the 3rd, but not great at the beginning.

1. Joe Flacco QB/Delaware
2 . Ray Rice RB/Rutgers
3. Tavares Gooden LB/Miami
3. Tom Zbikowski S/Notre Dame
3. Oniel Cousins OG/UTEP
4. Marcus Smith WR/New Mexico
4. David Hale OT/Weber State
6. Haruki Nakamura S/Cincinnati
7. Justin Harper WR/V-Tech
7 . Allen Patrick RB/Oklahoma

Buffalo: A

One of my favorite drafts. McKelvin, Hardy and Ellis could all come in and start and filled some major holes. Though I'm not a huge fan of Corner and Fine, both have niches that may fit into Buffalo. I think Omon and Bell were great late rounders. Great draft.

1. Leodis McKelvin CB/Troy
2. James Hardy WR/Indiana
3. Chris Ellis DE/Virginia Tech
4. Reggie Corner CB/Akron
4. Derek Fine TE/Kansas
5. Alvin Bowen LB/Iowa State
6. Xavier Omon RB/Northwest Missouri State
7. Demetrius Bell OT/Northwestern State
7. Steve Johnson WR/Kentucky
7. Kenard Cox CB/Pitt

Carolina: A-

Stewart seems like more of luxury pick for a team that is on the downfall, but after that, I like Carolina's draft. People diss them for giving up a 1st next year, but next year is a light OT draft and Otah could be a future LT. Likewise, their 2nd day was incredible. Godfrey, Connor, Barnidge and Hayden all have the ability to be future starters or at least contributers. Even their 7th round offensive lineman were value picks.

1. Jonathan Stewart RB/Oregon
1. Jeff Otah OT/Pitt
3. Charles Godfrey CB/Iowa
3. Dan Connor LB/Penn State
5. Gary Barnidge TE/Louisville
6. Nick Hayden DT/Wisconsin
7. Hilee Taylor LB/North Caroina
7. Geoff Schwartz OL/Oregon
7. Mackenzy Bernadeau OG/Bentley

Chicago: A-

I think Chicago's draft was very good. They believe in Rex, and now they give him the offensive pieces to do something. Chris Williams could become the best OT out of this draft. Matt Forte and Earl Bennett should fit the team well and contribute as rookies. Even there next four picks are guys who may have been undervalued and contribute in a few years with Harrison, Steltz, Bowman, and Davis. Good all-around.

1. Chris Williams OT/Vanderbilt
2. Matt Forte RB/Tulsa
3. Earl Bennett WR/Vanderbilt
3. Marcus Harrison DT/Arkansas
4. Craig Steltz S/LSU
5. Zack Bowman CB/Nebraska
5. Kellen Davis TE/MSU
7. Ervin Baldwin DE/Michigan State
7. Chester Adams OG/Georgia
7. Joey LaRocque LB/Oregon State
7. Kirk Barton OT/Ohio State
7. Marcus Monk WR/Arkansas

Cincinnati: B-

Once again, this draft should have been ALL high character guys. Rivers is solid, but their lack of a GM may have made them give up Sedrick Ellis. They also passed up some better WRs for Jerome Simpson, a guy who probably can't come in and impact as a rookie, but may develop into a star. Sims was a VERY low character guy who quit his team at Auburn before coming back. I like Caldwell as a player as well as Collins, but then Jason Shirley was caught drunk driving twice, and was kicked off the team for other things. This is the type of guy who may cause problems and give you bad press while giving little in return. Mike Brown, stop picking low character guys and you'll do better in the public eye.

1. Keith Rivers LB/USC
2. Jerome Simpson WR/Coastal Carolina
3. Pat Sims DT/Auburn
3. Andre Caldwell WR/Florida
4. Anthony Collins OT/Kansas
5. Jason Shirley DT/Fresno State
6. Corey Lynch FS/Appalachian State
7. Angelo Craig DE/Cincinnati
7. Mario Urrutia WR/Louisville

Cleveland: A-

Cleveland had no first day, but looking at Quinn, Smith, and Rogers, you see three impact guys, so good job there. Beau Bell fits in VERY well, and Martin Rucker can be an extra weapon that could cause problems. I think Rubin was a still as a back-up NT, so overall, very good, but not sure if trading more was what they should have done instead of letting guys fall to them and keep some picks.

4. Beau Bell LB/UNLV
4. Martin Rucker TE/Missouri
6. Ahtyba Rubin DT/Iowa State
6. Paul Hubard WR/Wisconsin
7. Alex Hall DE/St. Augustine

Dallas: B+

Felix Jones was who they wanted and he fits in. Jenkins was an absolute steal and their later choices in Bennett, Choice and Scandrick were solid. It seems they just wanted to sure up two positions in RB and CB. The lack of addressing anything else really (Except #2 TE) hurts their grade/

1. Felix Jones RB/Arkansas
1. Mike Jenkins CB/USF
2. Martellus Bennett TE/Texas A&M
4. Tashard Choice RB/Georgia Tech
5. Orlando Scandrick CB/Boise State
6. Erick Walden DE/Middle Tennessee

Denver: B

I think Denver did solid. Ryan Clady could become the best O-lineman in this system ever with his tools and how he fits. Eddie Royal is a return specialist, and they needed some WR who can come in and play. The rest of the picks feel like a bunch of reserves and no one other than maybe Hillis who will ever make a giant impact.

1. Ryan Clady OT/Boise State
2. Eddie Royal WR/Virginia Tech
4. Kory Lichtensteiger OG/Bowling Green
4. Jack Williams CB/Kent State
5. Ryan Torain RB/Arizona State
5. Carlton Powell DT/Virginia Tech
6. Spencer Larsen OLB/Arizona
7. Josh Barrett S/Arizona State
7. Peyton Hills FB/Arkansas

Detroit: B+

I think Gosder could man that right side for some time, and Jordan Dizon, though being based, was a guy most teams had penned in the second round (myself to Indianapolis). He has a high motor and fits the system perfectly. Their second day picks were great and guys who have some guys who may start in a few years. Kevin Smith, Andre Fluellen and Cliff avril were all good value picks and guys who can find their niche in this system. They also get possibly the best FB in Felton in this draft. Second day helps them, but a solid draft overall.

1. Gosder Cherilus OT/Boston College
2. Jordan Dizon LB/Colorado
3. Kevin Smith RB/UCF
3. Andre Fluellen DT/Florida State
3. Cliff Avril LB/Purdue
5. Kenneth Moore WR/Wake Forest
5. Jerome Felton FB/Furman
7. Landon Cohen DE/Ohio
7. Caleb Campbell S/Army

Green Bay: B-

I'm just not understanding overall. They drafted Jordy Nelson at WR, a position that wasn't needed especially with Jones coming on last year. Brohm is a solid pick, great value, but you still have holes in the secondary OLB, and O-line, so why not trade out? I do love the Patrick Lee pick in the Late 2nd, and he may come in as a nickel immediately. I loved their later round picks, and that kept them from one of the worst grades.

2. Jordy Nelson WR/Kansas State
2. Brian Brohm QB/Louisville
2. Patrick Lee CB/Auburn
3. Jermichael Finley TE/Texas
4. Jeremy Thompson DE/Wake Forest
4. Josh Sitton OT/UCF
5. Bren Fiacomini OT/Louisville
7. Matt Flynn QB/LSU
7. Brett Swain WR/San Diego State

Houston: A-

Great draft for this team and this system. Brown is the LT they have always needed, and it really allows them to shake up their O-line. It may take a few years, but they can use Spencer for now. Molden is a solid corner who would really compliment Dunta. Slaton fits perfectly. Once again, he'll be a 3rd down back to start, but he will come in soon and could blow up in the ZBS. Adibi and Okam were TREMENDOUS picks who may start if they prove themselves. Okam was well worth a 5th rounder, since if he raises his motor, he could be a star. Overall, it could take 3 years to see the impact, but this was a great draft.

1. Duane Brown OT/V-Tech
3. Antwaun Molden CB/Eastern Kentucky
3. Steve Slaton RB/West Virginia
4. Xavier Adibi LB/V-Tech
5. Frank Okam DT/Texas
6. Dominique Barber FS/Minnesota
7. Alex Brink QB/Washington State

Indianapolis: B

Indy's draft was just mediocre. Pollak was an alright pick, something they can use at guard or center, and I like the Wheeler pick as well. The rest of their picks were more centers/guards and another TEs and a LB. Some guys I like, for instance Tamme, Howard and Santi. But, they didn't address back-up RB or WR early, and instead end up with Hart and Garcon, two guys who may never play a down. Eh.

2. Mike Pollak OT/Arizona State
3. Phillip Wheeler LB/Georgia Tech
4. Jacob Tamme TE/Kentucky
5. Marcus Howard LB/Georgia
6. Tom Santi TE/Virginia
6. Steve Justice C/Wake Forest
6. Mike Hart RB/Michigan
6. Pierre Garcon WR/Mount Union
7. Jamey Richard OL/Buffalo

Jacksonville: C+

I didn't like the choices Jacksonville made. You trade up a MAJOR amount for Harvey, and then draft another pass-rusher the pick after! I still don't think that Jacksonville's passing game or secondary is where it needs to be, and neither were addressed early. They also never got any O-line depth. They filled their major need, but if injuries happen next year, this draft won't do you any favors.

1. Derrick Harvey DE/Florida
2. Quentin Groves DE/Auburn
5. Thomas Williams LB/USC
5. Trae Williams CB/USF
6. Chauncey Washington RB/USC

Kansas City: A

The best draft easily. Most everyone agrees, but I think KC could come out of this draft with 7 starters. Dorsey and Albert, two of the best players in the draft at two of the most important positions. Flowers was a steal in the 2nd as well. Charles is a great player who fell and they can groom and bring in since LJ seems a bit run-down. Cottam fits in KC very well and can replace Gonzo. Finally, I like Franklin and Richardson as possible developmental starter. They also got a returner in Kevin Robinson who reminds me of Dante Hall. GREAT draft.

1. Glenn Dorsey DT/LSU
1. Branden Albert OG/Virginia
2 . Brandon Flowers CB/V-Tech
3. Jamaal Charles RB/Texas
3. Brad Cottam TE/Tennessee
4. William Franklin WR/Missouri
5. Brandon Carr CB/Grand Valley
6. Barry Richardson OT/Clemson
6. Kevin Robinson WR/Utah State
7. Brian Johnston DE/Gardner-Webb
7. Mike Merritt TE/Central Florida

Miami: A-

Having the #1 pick can't hurt much. They got Jake Long. They traded for Fasano and Ayodele, two guys Bill and Sparano like. Merling, if he can find his place in the defense, could be a difference maker. I've also gone on record to say that Chad Henne could be the best QB to come out of this draft. I also really like Langford and Parmele on the Dolphins. Great draft by the team overall.

1. Jake Long OT/Michigan
2. Phillip Merling DE/Clemson
2. Chad Henne QB/Michigan
3. Kendall Langford DL/Hampton
4. Shawn Murphy OT/Utah State
6. Jalen Parmele RB/Toledo
6. Donald Thomas OG/Uconn
6. Lex Hilliard RB/Montana
7. Lionel Dotson DL/Arizona

Minnesota: A-

I think Jared Allen was very good value and will fix Minnesota's biggest needs. Then, they traded up for another possible hole to get Tyrell Johnson who can replace Darren Sharper soon. Finally, they address two more depth issues in John David Booty and Letroy Guion. Booty WILL be a starter in this league and was a nice pick. Finally, Jaymar Johnson is a developmental WR. This team will be running to victory, but their defense looks VERY nasty now.

2. Tyrell Johnson S/Arkansas State
5. John David Booty QB/USC
5. Letroy Guion DT/Florida State
6. John Sullivan C/Notre Dame
6. Jaymar Johnson WR/Jackson State

New England: B

You can't criticize how this team drafts, but just on the surface, it looks just okay. Mayo was a little early, but an excellent fit. Wheatley was a reach, but he may be a star in this system. I don't like Crable in the 3-4 myself, but Kevin O'Connell is VERY similar to Tom Brady and this guy may learn a lot. They got the guys they wanted, and that gives them a solid B.

1. Jerod Mayo LB/Tennessee
2. Terrence Wheatley CB/Colorado
3. Shawn Crable LB/Michigan
3. Kevin O’Connell QB/San Diego State
4. Jonathan Wilhite CB/Auburn
5. Matt Slater WR/UCLA
6. Bo Ruud LB/Nebraska

New Orleans: A

My third favorite draft. Ellis and Porter are instant impact players that can mend the major defensive woes. How bad was NO at DT? They needed another and got a steal in Pressley in the 5th. I also like Nicks as a developmental OT, and Mehlhaff was the best kicker in this draft. Arrington also drafted in the same position as Marques Colston. I can't argue any of these picks.

1. Sedrick Ellis DT/USC
2. Tracy Porter CB/Indiana
5. DeMario Pressley DT/NC State
5. Carl Nicks OT/Nebraska
6. Taylor Mehlhaff K/Wisconsin
7. Adrian Arrington WR/Michigan

New York Giants: B+

Once again, you can't question a Jerry Reese, and I think NYG did okay. Phillips fills a major need. I think Thomas was a slight reach, but he could definitely be an excellent player. Manningham doesn't really seem needed, especially with so many WRs coming out the woodwork, but we'll see if the Giants can work with him. They traded up for Kehl, and Goff and Woodson were steals. Good overall, but nothing mind-blowing.

1. Kenny Phillips S/Miami
2. Terrell Thomas CB/USC
3. Mario Manningham WR/Michigan
4. Bryan Kehl LB/BYU
5. Jonathan Goff LB/Vanderbilt
6. Andre Woodson QB/Kentucky
6. Robert Henderson DE/Southern Miss

New York Jets: B+

The Jets filled their major needs in the first with Gholston and a pass-catcher in Keller. Lowery makes sense to me as well, and Ainge seems a bit too similar to the QBs they already have. I do love the Henry pick late. Another solid draft, but nothing great.

1. Vernon Gholston DE/Ohio State
1. Dustin Keller TE/Purdue
4. Dwight Lowery CB/San Jose State
5. Erik Ainge QB/Tennessee
6. Marcus Henry WR/Kansas
7. Nate Garner OT/Arkansas

Oakland: B-

DMac wasn't a need, but could be the best guy in this draft. They trade Fabian Washington to replace him with Tyvon Branch? Eh. Arman Shields and Chaz don't excite me. Scott is a wildcard. Not horrible since Branch was good value, and DMac is a difference maker, but this run defense will still be horrendous.

1. Darren McFadden RB/Arkansas
4. Tyvon Branch CB/Uconn
4. Arman Shields WR/Richmond
6. Trevor Scott DE/Buffalo
7. Chaz Schilens WR/Miami


Philadelphia: B

Getting an extra first round pick bumps this out automatically. Trevor Laws is ANOTHER trench player Andy Reid grabs. Jackson was good value, but we'll see how he fits into the offense. I like McGlynn and Demps pick, but Smith was a reach. Okay draft, but it should set them up well for next year.

2. Trevor Laws DT/Notre Dame
2. DeSean Jackson WR/Cal
3. Bryan Smith LB/McNeese State
4. Mike McGlynn OT/Pitt
4. Quintin Demps FS/UTEP
6. Mike Gibson OT/Cal
6. Joe Mays LB/North Dakota State
6. Andy Studebaker LB/Wheaton
7. King Dunlap OT/Auburn

Pittsburgh: B+

I think Pittsburgh did well with value, not with need. Mendenhall and Sweed were high value picks, but it still left their trenches open. Davis fits well, though not a need, and Tony Hills is a solid back-up player. Very good draft with value, but not a Top 3 draft.

1. Rashard Mendenhall RB/Illinois
2. Limas Sweed WR/Texas
3. Bruce Davis LB/UCLA
4. Tony Hills OT/Texas
5. Dennis Dixon QB/Oregon
6. Mike Humpal LB/Iowa
6. Ryan Mundy S/West Virginia

San Diego: B-

The Chargers didn't have much to work with, so the grade can't be too high. I love Antoine Cason and he should compliment Cromartie VERY well. Trading up for Hester was NOT a good decision unless they think he can play RB well, but they didn't have the picks to trade. the rest of their draft was mediocre at best.

1. Antoine Cason
3. Jacob Hester
5. Marcus Thomas RB/UTEP
6. DeJuan Tribble CB/Boston College
7. Corey Clark OT/Texas A&M

San Francisco: B+

I think San Fran had a typical draft. Got some value and took some guys who fit. Balmer helps them at DE if Smith doesn't fit. Chilo and Reggie Smith were good value picks that can instantly help San Francisco. The rest of their picks were nothing great. Good draft.

1. Kentwan Balmer DE/North Carolina
2. Chilo Rachal OG/USC
3. Reggie Smith DB/Oklahoma
4. Cody Wallace OL/Texas A&M
6. Josh Morgan WR/Virginia Tech
7. Larry Grant LB/Ohio State

Seattle: C+

I just don't understand taking another DE. As much as I like Lawrence Jackson, Seattle has offensive holes. They take a good blocking TE in Carlson. I don't see how Bryant and the two Schmitt's really help this team, so I think Seattle may finally lose the division.

1. Lawrence Jackson DE/USC
2. John Carlson TE/Notre Dame
4. Red Bryant DT/Texas A&M
5. Owen Schmitt FB/West Virginia
6. Tyler Schmitt LS/San Diego State
7. Justin Forsett RB/Cal
7. Brandon Coutu K/Georgia

St. Louis: B+

I like what St. Louis did more than most. Chris Long is an instant impact guy. Avery, though some people say reach, he compliments Holt and Bennett very very well. Greco and King were value picks who could be stars in a few years. Even Burtin and Schuening were value picks who will contribute. Good draft.

1. Chris Long DE/Virginia
2. Donnie Avery WR/Houston
3. John Greco OT/Toledo
4. Justin King CB/Penn State
4. Keenan Burton WR/Kentucky
5. Roy Schuening OG/Oregon State
7. Chris Chamberlain DB/Tulsa
7. David Vobora LB/Idaho

Tampa Bay: B-

I wasn't thrilled with Tampa's draft. I like Talib as a player, and they never back down from chancing on guys. Dexter Jackson is a Gruden player but WAY tio early. I'm not a huge fan of Zuttah, but the Moore, Johnson, Hayes, and Boyd picks were good. I think Jenkins fit TB better in the first, so I knock it down a little more to a B-, but this draft MAY work out well for them.

1. Aqib Talib CB/Kansas
2. Dexter Jackson WR/Appalachian State
3. Jeremy Zuttah OG/Rutgers
4. Dre Moore DT/Maryland
5. Josh Johnson QB/San Diego
6. Geno Hayes ILB/Florida State
7. Cory Boyd RB/South Carolina

Tennessee Titans: C+

I'm not sure what Tennessee is trying to do. As much as I like Chris Johnson (and think he is a MUCH better version of Chris Henry,) he wasn't needed for their first round pick. Jason Jones was a good pick-up in the 2nd and can help the defensive line. But past that, nothing that I love. Hayes and Kegler were pretty poor picks. Stevens was alright in the 3rd, but nothing special. Just a sub-par draft overall.

1. Chris Johnson RB/East Carolina
2. Jason Jones DE/Eastern Michigan
3. Craig Stevens TE/Cal
4. William Hayes DE/Winston-Salem
4. Stanford Kegler LB/Pudeu
7. Cary Williams CB/Washburn

Washington Redskins: A-

I liked this Redskins draft. Though many may not, they need a more explosive offense to fit Zorn. Zorn grabbed value guys who fit his system and this offense will compete with the defenses in the NFC East. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly all will fit in and set-up a GREAT passing game in a few years. I like Rinehart and Tryon pretty well. Likewise, they grabbed Colt Brennan who fits in perfectly and can be a great back-up. Overall, very good draft in my opinion.

2. Devin Thomas WR/Michigan State
2. Malcolm Kelly WR/Oklhoma
2. Fred Davis TE/USC
3. Chad Rinehart OT/Northern Iowa
4. Justin Tryon CB/Arizona State
6. Durant Brooks P/Georgia Tech
6. Kareem Moore DB/Nicholls State
6. Colt Brennan QB/Hawaii
7. Rob Jackson DE/Kansas State
7. Chris Horton FS/UCLA


1. Kansas City: A
2. Buffalo: A
3. New Orleans: A
4. Miami: A-
5. Minnesota: A-
6. Cleveland: A-
7. Carolina: A-
8. Houston: A-
9. Chicago: A-
10. Washington: A-
11. Atlanta: A-
12. Pittsburgh: B+
13. New York Giants: B+
14. Arizona: B+
15. Dallas: B+
16. St. Louis: B+
17. New York Jets: B+
18. San Francisco: B+
19. Detroit: B+
20. Philadelphia: B
21. Denver: B
22. New England: B
23. Indianapolis: B
24. Tampa Bay: B-
25. Cincinnati: B-
26. Baltimore: B-
27. Green Bay: B-
28. San Diego: B-
29. Oakland: B-
30. Jacksonville: C+
31. Seattle: C+
32. Tennessee: C+

thetedginnshow
04-28-2008, 04:55 PM
I'll mainly agree with what you said about the Jets. However, about the Seahawks, a couple things: 1) Seattle uses a very large DT rotation for numerous defensive sets, so they need several guys and at best have four workable guys not including Bryant. Also, their one main run stopped, Tubbs, has had a terrible time with injuries, so they needed a giant run stopper and get exactly that in Bryant (provided he stays healthy). Plus, that'd allow last year's pick in Mebane to go to a more comfortable role. 2) Seattle actually lost a couple games solely because of their long-snapper, so it was essential to get someone new in there. 3) Mack Strong retired and Leonard Weaver looks more comfortable as a H-Back. That, plus the fact that David Kirtman is a complete bust (that I called way back in that draft, despite Seahawks fans loving it), makes getting a true blocking fullback essential. Shaun looked terrible last year and that had a lot to do with him, but it also had to do with the guys blocking in front of him. 4) And it wasn't mentioned, but they need a new kicker and someone better than Mare.

TheGreatEscape
04-28-2008, 05:43 PM
Maybe I just like when teams draft for their system more than others but when teams do that it tends to workout well.

yodabear
04-29-2008, 12:15 AM
JBond, can u be my English professor, nothing worse than a C+?

JT Jag
04-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Jacksonville Jaguars

Round 1, Pick 8 (Acquired from Baltimore): Derrick Harvey, DE - Florida (B+)
Sure, we gave up a lot. But look at the team's roster before the draft. The only roster locks were a 33 year old with a career total of 25 sacks and a guy who's still recovering from an Achilles injury. The team needed a 3-down starter who can make things happen with the pass rush, and they think Harvey is that guy. You can't fault them for being aggressive to fix our biggest problems.

Round 2, Pick 52 (Through Tampa Bay): Quentin Groves, DE - Auburn (B)
This pick has a lot of potential. Some people are comparing him to Tony Brackens, the Jaguars' franchise sack leader who was one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL during his heyday. They're almost identical in size and their styles are very similar. The Jaguars have a vision in which Groves and Harvey are bookends for a decade, and though it may take time for that to happen, I think it's a real possibility.

Round 5, Pick 155: Thomas Williams, LB - USC (C+)
Williams won't be a starter for us. However, he'll provide valuable depth--- he can perform at a high level at all three linebacker positions. Also, he's an outstanding special teamer with a motor that's always running. Who knows? I might actually be underrating him. Perhaps he can dethrone Ingram.

Round 5, Pick 159: Trae Williams, DB - USF (A-)
I'm really high on this pick. Trae Williams is the total package at CB. He's tough with great reactions and outstanding instincts, and has tremendous natural ball skills. He's a 4.5 guy, so he isn't slow. The problem is that he doesn't have great size--- he's 5'9 193. However, many people who know him best say that he could end up a starter on many teams.

Round 7, Pick 213 (Through Tampa Bay): Chauncey Washington, RB - USC (B)
Washington is a 4.4 guy with outstanding size (5'11 210). He's a gritty player who fights for the extra yard. He nearly accumulated 1,000 years in a rotation at USC, and did get 10 touchdowns. It's an outside shot, but it isn't impossible that he ends up being a huge steal and replaces Fred Taylor in the rotation with Maurice Drew. In the short term, he'll compete with D.D. Terry for the 4th RB spot, and he could be a special teams contributer. I'll be watching him.

johbur
04-29-2008, 01:36 AM
JBond: GREAT overall review.

For the Packers:
2. Jordy Nelson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6B_VmbiR7o&feature=related) WR/Kansas State: Look at the year this kid had for a bad KSU team. No one could stop him. Nice arm when he threw for 2 TDs on the WR reverse option and he ran a pair of punts back for TDs. He'll push James Jones for the #3 slot receiver sooner than later. Ran a 4.51 at the combine and is 6'3" tall and 217#. Check out this YouTube of when Aqib Talib had him in single coverage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo)
Need: D (not an F as Koren Robinson has a gimpy knee), Talent: A

2. Brian Brohm (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IxC2WrG8cuQ) QB/Louisville: The Packers have one QB on the roster, Aaron Rodgers. I think Rodgers will be a Drew Brees clone, but he's been hurt in the past, so this is a great pick with great value. Brohm will be able to play this up coming year and come in and not lose the game if Rodgers gets hurt.
Need: A, Talent: A

2. Patrick Lee CB/Auburn: Lee gets to learn from Harris and Woodson and is a tremendous upgrade in the dime and nickel packages.
Need: B, Talent: A

3. Jermichael Finley (http://youtube.com/watch?v=48vkXUvLVR8) TE/Texas: The team has Donald Lee starting and a UDFA coming off two years of injury. Jermichael raw, but talented and motivated with a family to care for. This could have been Dustin Keller, mind you, or Greg Olsen or Vern Davis. GM Thompson passed on all those guys and finally pulled the trigger on Finley.
Need: A, Talent: B-

4. Jeremy Thompson DE/Wake Forest: GM Thompson makes his first trade up in nine drafts that he's run for Seattle and GB due to not believing this kid still available. His brother is already playing for the Packers as a back-up LT. Reminds some of Aaron Kampman.
Need: C+, Talent: A

4. Josh Sitton OT/UCF: A key blocker for Kevin Smith. Big and quick. Could compete for a starting OG spot this year, though I think he'll back up OG and C for a couple years and then take over for RT Mark Tauscher.
Need: C, Talent: B+

5. Breno Giacomini OT/Louisville: Boom/Bust guy. Plays with a nasty attitude, but has a DUI and flipped off the fans. 6'7" and 305 pounds. Athletic enough that he played some TE for the Cardinals.
Need: C-, Talent: C

7. Matt Flynn (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZuUQn4XSLRI) QB/LSU: Could be the next Jason Garrett, backing up for a decade and then moving to the staff. He backed up Jamarcus Russell for three years and then went and won the national championship his only year starting, throwing for 4 TDs in the championship game. Reminds me of 1993 when it was Brett Favre, Mark Brunell and Ty Detmer as the three QBs.
Need: B, Talent: B+

7. Brett Swain (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWfh8xYKy6U) WR/San Diego State: He ran a 4.41 40 yard dash and could be the fastest WR on the roster, as Jennings ran a 4.46. Has been a fine receiver the past two years at SDSU. Good size and likely to spend time on the practice squad unless Koren Robinson's knee is gimpy or he goes out drinking with Jared Allen when GB plays the Vikes.
Need: F, Talent: B

7. Traded for 6th round pick next year. Anytime you can turn a 7th into a 6th the next year, that works for me.
Trade Grade: B (I would have drafted David Roach here)

FA: Brandon Chillar, OLB: I'm listing Chillar as someone had mentioned that GB did not address the OLB spot. They did, but through FA. That makes an LB corp of Hawk, Barnett, Chillar/Poppinga, Abdul Hodge or Desmond Bishop and special team ace Tracy White. Packers only keep 6 LBs at the most.
Why draft another LB? They could have had Erin Henderson instead of trading the pick, but they obviously think that LB is settled.

Overall: B+. This is a winning team drafting for players to back-up the regulars as 20 out of 22 starters are coming back. Components for the future needed, not upgrades from the guys they have, as those guys were 14-4 last year.

OzTitan
04-29-2008, 02:28 AM
JBond, as I said in the other thread you posted this, you forgot Lavelle Hawkins for the Titans.

BlindSite
04-29-2008, 03:14 AM
In response to Jbond's post

Carolina's not really on the downfall. The reason for the 7-9 season is soley QB. The team quit on David Carr because he's hopeless. With Moore the team beat a playoff team and came close to winning against another.

The team had only a couple of holes RB, FS, LT, DT and as of the signing of Walker they've all been filled.

Shane P. Hallam
04-29-2008, 10:46 AM
In response to Jbond's post

Carolina's not really on the downfall. The reason for the 7-9 season is soley QB. The team quit on David Carr because he's hopeless. With Moore the team beat a playoff team and came close to winning against another.

The team had only a couple of holes RB, FS, LT, DT and as of the signing of Walker they've all been filled.

Well, SOME team has to do worse next year right?

But honestly, I'm not feeling Carolina's offense yet. I think they still have some offensive line holes, and there passing game still won't be there. Even with Moore, I think they still struggle offensively and have a subpar team. I DO think 8-8 is the ceiling this year unless they play out of their minds. The secondary is still looking a bit...mediocre to me? I'm just not exciting by anything on Carolina's team.

bsaza2358
04-29-2008, 10:54 AM
As an Eagles fan, I like the sound of a mediocre/crappy Carolina 2008...

TheGreatEscape
04-29-2008, 01:01 PM
I think the panthers should've waited on a RB and gone oline and dline first a Brandon Albert in the first, a DE like Jason Jones or Quentin Groves in the second then look for your power runner in the third or fourth. I just think with DeAngelo Williams already in place you can wait past the first round to grab a RB unless DMC had somehow fallen to them.

Breaker
04-29-2008, 04:19 PM
HOUSTON TEXANS

1. Duane Brown, LT - #26 Overall
He was a reach to most in terms of value. To some a big reach. That said, he was the top guy left at a position of need (no idea when Spencer will be back and if he will still be a Left Tackle, and Ephraim Salaam isn't the answer, even though hes been serviceable). He was apparently hand picked prior to the draft by Alex Gibbs, and was said to be the guy we'd take if Chris Williams was gone. We traded back and picked up an extra 3rd and 6th, and still got the guy that Gibbs wanted. Brown is perfect for Gibbs and this system. I didn't like the pick when it was initially made, but I've come to trust what Kubiak and Smith do, and I'll trust them on this one as well. Grade wise, pluses for being a great fit at a position of need and picking up an extra 3rd and 6th, minus for being a reach. B-

2. Antwaun Molden, CB - #79 Overall
With Dunta out until around midseason, Cornerback was a must for us in our first few picks this year. Fred Bennett was very very good for us last year, but behind him we have relatively nothing. Dominique Rogers Cromartie was taken just ahead of us by Arizona, and Dallas jumped up and took Jenkins right before us in round one (though I doubt we'd have taken them anyway, if reports are true), and there was a small run on CB's before our pick in round 3, so it seemed to just be bad luck. That said, I really like Molden, even if I don't know a ton about the guy. Mayock said hes basically DRC without the push and notoriety from the senior bowl appearance, I'm going to go along with that, cause it sounds good. Ohhh yeah. Grade wise, pluses for being very talented at a position of need. Minuses for being raw, even though I've heard from reliable sources (.. okay, my sources are a post from toonster, but thats as reliable as anything, right?) .. anyway, according to him, Molden may be a lot more close to 'ready' than people think. B-

3. Steve Slaton, RB - #89 Overall
Our running back situation is far from pretty. When Ahman was healthy last year, he was good. That said, he was healthy for about 13 minutes of the season. Ron Dayne isn't completely awful, but in no way is he good. Walker and Taylor have had very little playing time to know how they'll be, but neither looks to be any type of long term fixture as a starter. Slaton is another good fit at a position of need. Hey look, a theme. Players being taken that play at positions of need. Will add some much (much) needed speed to the running back position, and the overall offense. Grade wise, Pluses for being a good scheme fit at a position of need. Minuses for me not liking the guy. Jerk. B-

4. Xavier Adibi, LB - #118 Overall
Ya know, I love this pick. It's not necessarily because I think he'll be great, it's just that I absolutely loved watching him play at Virginia Tech, and am thrilled to be able to see him every week in the NFL. That aside, he really does have a good shot at coming in and winning the Weakside spot sometime this year. He's a playmaker to go beside the unbelievable solidness, consistency, and football smarts of DeMeco Ryans. And he looks like a complete badass in uniform. Always a plus. Finally, someone who at least has a chance, even if its a small one, at being able to cover Dallas Clark while in the nickel. Grade Wise, pluses for being a playmaker at a position of need, having an awesome name, looking like a complete badass in unfiorm, and being fun to watch. Minuses for nothing, becuase Adibi is a god. And yes, I realize some people will completely and utterly disagree with me on this. A

5. Frank Okam, DT - #151 Overall
I'm pretty sure everyone thinks this, so its not some huge revelation, but he could either be very good, or a complete flop. But even as a flop, theres no chance in hell he can be as unbelievably stupid on the field as Travis Johnson is. If he can get motivated, it'll be a good pick for us. He has the talent around him to be effective, playing next to Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye. Grade wise, pluses for being a Longhorn (Hook em!), being absolutely massive, and being smart as hell. Minuses for being absolutely massive, and for not always giving effort. You know. Same old **** from him. Ill give him a middle of the road grade because this pick can go either way, and can do so in an extreme fashion both ways. He could be very very good, he could end up sucking. Who knows. C

6. Dominique Barber, S - #173 Overall
Uh. Well. Here's where my lack of draft knowledge, or lack of really caring enough to read up on anyone hurts. I don't really know a thing about this guy. He's a safety though. We need safeties. Grade wise, plus for being at a position of need, minus for uh, me not knowing who he is. Besides, brothers of good players rarely work out. C-

7. Alex Brink, QB - #223 Overall
Yea. Again, no idea. I told get to see many (or rather any. I might as well not lie) Washington State games. So I can't say I really know anything about this either. He's a 7th rounder though, so what do I care. Pluses for me not caring enough about him to look for negatives, minuses for me not knowing who he is. C-




Anyway. Overall, we filled a lot of needs with some guys who have some good upside. None were sexy picks, and our #1 was a reach, so it'll be looked at negatively, but as a fan, I'm perfectly fine with this class.

Agreed with most of them. I would give Okam a B+ though, I think he could be a big steal from where we got him. He's a 1st round talent drafted in the 5th.

I would also give Barber, and Brink a D-, drafting both at the position we're stacked at instead of trying to find a gem at a position of need. *cough Brian Johnston*

Also, I must say I'm offended by the Poll in the NFLDC mainpage. Duane a reach? Scott, in your mock you had him going at #29 and you also said he was moving up teams draft boards in the last couple of weeks. But whatever, people thought Mario was a reach when we took him at #1, those were the same people that thought we were dumb for passing up on Bush. I don't think Brown is a reach, but we shall see...

Smooth Criminal
04-29-2008, 05:37 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers

1. Rashard Mendenhall - At first I wasn't big on this pick. Of course he is great value but RB is clearly not a need with Pro-Bowl RB Parker and the FA addition of Moore, but them more you look at it, teams with more than 1 solid RB always seem to find time for both guys, and they run better. Im expecting this to be a great duo and make the Steelers run game, esspecially short yardage, alot better.

2. Limas Sweed - My favorite pick of the Steelers draft. Sweed was amazing value in the later half of the 2nd round and he fills a huge need. Sweed makes the receiving core so much stronger and gives Ben the big target he has been missing since Plax left. Will play slot immediately and take over for Ward whenever he retires.

3. Bruce Davis - The team is very high on Bruce Davis as a player, I would have prefered Avril. But Davis was a bit of a reach in my mind, but he fills more of a need than people think. Timmons was drafted to play inside and Harrison may have had a great season but he is on the wrong side of 30. Davis will provide depth where there was none at OLB and will contribute to our horrible special teams immediately.

4. Tony Hills - I think he is great value in the 4th round and projects to a huge area of need at LT. If Hills is able to take over LT after Marvel is let go after this season, he could be the steal of the draft.

5. Dennis Dixon - Not as big of a suprise to Steelers fans as it may be to outsiders. The Steelers were very impressed by his workout and he has great value. But after signing Ben to 100 mil deal, makes me wonder whats up with this pick. Dixon has the speed and athleticism, but he doesn't really have the size or frame to make the switch to a slash style player, ala Kordell his rookie year. Could be a dangerous weapon for Arians to play with.

6a. Mike Humpal - An inside linebacker that can provide depth and special teams help. Most likely won't make the team with Farrior, Foote, Timmons, and FA signing Fox ahead of him.

6b. Ryan Mundy - Trade down with the Giants go them an extra 6th rounder so thats worth saying. Steelers brought him in on a visit and liked what they saw. I only see a special teams player and a guy that can provide depth and thankfully bump Tyrone Carter off the roster.

Overall I'm giving this draft a B+ for now. Mendenhall and Sweed should make an immediate impact on this offense. If Hills or Davis are able to get starting spots or Dixon turns into a weapon, the grade will easily move into an A range.

DragonFireKai
04-29-2008, 05:41 PM
In response to Jbond's post

Carolina's not really on the downfall. The reason for the 7-9 season is soley QB. The team quit on David Carr because he's hopeless. With Moore the team beat a playoff team and came close to winning against another.

The team had only a couple of holes RB, FS, LT, DT and as of the signing of Walker they've all been filled.

Moore has a very limited ceiling. He'll be at best, a Trent Dilfer type player. He can bottom out pretty far too. When he's not comfortable, he's a turnover machine.

BlindSite
04-29-2008, 10:13 PM
Well, SOME team has to do worse next year right?

But honestly, I'm not feeling Carolina's offense yet. I think they still have some offensive line holes, and there passing game still won't be there. Even with Moore, I think they still struggle offensively and have a subpar team. I DO think 8-8 is the ceiling this year unless they play out of their minds. The secondary is still looking a bit...mediocre to me? I'm just not exciting by anything on Carolina's team.

Delhomme is the starter and will be ready to go come game 1. He's throwing a real football already and isn't having any pain in his elbow. Realistically last year he was in with the likes of Brady, Manning and Romo for the first few games of the season. He's a solid middle of the pack QB and is capable of 25+ TDs 12- INTs and is able to move the chains with dink and dunk passes. There's no issue at QB AT ALL.

The offensive line has new blood. Our guards: Kendrick Vincent, Brown, Fonuti, Mathis (starter at RG last year), Jeremy Bridges (started when Mathis when down and held the job), Hangartner (played all three spots, played LG when Wahle went down), Wharton (signed starters salary to play guard), Kalil (best centre to come out in the past 3 years, equal with Mangold), Gross at LT (didn't give up a sack last year -> made hartwig expendable) and otah. The team is built for running the ball at oline and we've got 2 strong running backs.

At wide receiver we've got two number twos with Hackett and Muhummad and a top 5 WR in Smith.

there's a huge potential for bust I'll admit with injuries and a lack of chemistry able to rear its ugly head, but we're talking about 8 players to fill 3 spots, all with starting experience and 5 players on the roster who can play tackle.

That's a decent offensive line for a team facing some weak defenses this year.

The secondary has Lucas, Gamble, Coughlough, Wesley, Marshall, Harris and now Godfrey at FS. That's a 5 cornerback set where Wesley and Coughlough, experienced players will be covering 4th and 5th receivers. Harris lead the league in FF so he's a hitter and Godfrey shouldn't struggle after player in a cover 2 at Free safety.

Sure, there's not a lot of probowl talent, but every player from top to bottom on the roster is what you'd call "serviceable to above average" "fit for the system" and history (patriots, panthers 03, eagles of 04, giants of 0 has shown to be more than capable of making the playoffs.

The team having an 8-8 season after drafting a great running back and 2 solid receivers when offense has been the biggest problem, since the NFCCG year of 05 is pretty tough to swallow.

I'm not saying the team is superbowl bound, but in the NFC South, they're a chance to win the division at least.

Moore has a very limited ceiling. He'll be at best, a Trent Dilfer type player. He can bottom out pretty far too. When he's not comfortable, he's a turnover machine.


Moore is a backup who played well. I don't see him as anything moore (lawl).

eaglesfan_45
04-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Delhomme is the starter and will be ready to go come game 1. He's throwing a real football already and isn't having any pain in his elbow. Realistically last year he was in with the likes of Brady, Manning and Romo for the first few games of the season. He's a solid middle of the pack QB and is capable of 25+ TDs 12- INTs and is able to move the chains with dink and dunk passes. There's no issue at QB AT ALL.

The offensive line has new blood. Our guards: Kendrick Vincent, Brown, Fonuti, Mathis (starter at RG last year), Jeremy Bridges (started when Mathis when down and held the job), Hangartner (played all three spots, played LG when Wahle went down), Wharton (signed starters salary to play guard), Kalil (best centre to come out in the past 3 years, equal with Mangold), Gross at LT (didn't give up a sack last year -> made hartwig expendable) and otah. The team is built for running the ball at oline and we've got 2 strong running backs.

At wide receiver we've got two number twos with Hackett and Muhummad and a top 5 WR in Smith.

there's a huge potential for bust I'll admit with injuries and a lack of chemistry able to rear its ugly head, but we're talking about 8 players to fill 3 spots, all with starting experience and 5 players on the roster who can play tackle.

That's a decent offensive line for a team facing some weak defenses this year.

The secondary has Lucas, Gamble, Coughlough, Wesley, Marshall, Harris and now Godfrey at FS. That's a 5 cornerback set where Wesley and Coughlough, experienced players will be covering 4th and 5th receivers. Harris lead the league in FF so he's a hitter and Godfrey shouldn't struggle after player in a cover 2 at Free safety.

Sure, there's not a lot of probowl talent, but every player from top to bottom on the roster is what you'd call "serviceable to above average" "fit for the system" and history (patriots, panthers 03, eagles of 04, giants of 0 has shown to be more than capable of making the playoffs.

The team having an 8-8 season after drafting a great running back and 2 solid receivers when offense has been the biggest problem, since the NFCCG year of 05 is pretty tough to swallow.

I'm not saying the team is superbowl bound, but in the NFC South, they're a chance to win the division at least.




Moore is a backup who played well. I don't see him as anything moore (lawl).

I really hope your wrong.

BlindSite
04-29-2008, 10:29 PM
All the team did this year was a patriot esque signing spree of veterans who fit the system who still have some go in the tank.

The team wasn't that bad apart from QB play last year.

Delhomme is coming back from the injury.

I have no idea where this ******** "PANTHERS MUST GET A QB" camp of the NFL analysts came from.

DragonFireKai
04-29-2008, 10:57 PM
I have no idea where this ******** "PANTHERS MUST GET A QB" camp of the NFL analysts came from.

Welcome to the life of an Eagles fan. Remember when we were going to trade McNabb? Remember when we were going to trade Lito? Remember when we were going to trade up for Jeff Ottah because we absolutely needed him?

awfullyquiet
04-29-2008, 11:12 PM
All the team did this year was a patriot esque signing spree of veterans who fit the system who still have some go in the tank.

The team wasn't that bad apart from QB play last year.

Delhomme is coming back from the injury.

I have no idea where this ******** "PANTHERS MUST GET A QB" camp of the NFL analysts came from.

I haven't either. I always thought. Delhomme was the talk of the town three years ago. Totally the 'what have you done for me lately' league... he's been injured... not dead.

and he'll come back and throw decently and make fox keep his job. which is good. good for the franchise...