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Shane P. Hallam
04-28-2008, 06:44 PM
So many threads about grading, and who did the best, etc. Let's put it all in one thread. The NFL Forum has one, but apparently no one has looked there.

Here is my stuff:

Here are all my grades:

Every team upgraded, we don't know how these guys will work out. Therefore, I don't give less than C grades. So, take that for what it is worth. Later, I will include a list in order of best to worst.


Arizona: B+

I think Arizona stole DRC and filled a major hole. Afterwards, they made some nice value picks (Campbell, and Doucet,) and some picks to fit their team (Iwebema, Hightower). I'm still not sure if their value picks will fit in, like Campbell in the 3-4, as he would have to do a lot of work. Likewise, DE wasn't a MAJOR need and they had some holes elsewhere that may have been addressed earlier. Some good picks raise the grade, but leaving holes lowers it.

1. DRC DB/Tennessee-State
2. Calais Campbell DE/Miami
3. Early Doucet WR/LSU
4. Kenny Iwebema DE/Iowa
5. Tim Hightower RB/Richmond
6. Chris Harrington LB/Texas A&M
7. Brandon Keith OT/Northern Iowa

Atlanta: A-

I like Atlanta's draft more than most. Atlanta needs instant franchise players, so trading up for Baker may be the best choice. If Ryan, Baker, and Turner turn out to be good players, they could have a powerful offense. I like the next picks as they are possible impact players for their system (Jackson, Lofton, and DeCoud). Harry Douglas could end up as a #2 WR even. Good all around draft with a lot of players who could make an impact

1. Matt Ryan QB/Boston College
1. Sam Baker OT/USC
2. Curtis Lofton LB/Oklahoma
3. Chevis Jackson CB/LSU
3. Harry Douglas WR/Louisville
3. Thomas DeCoud S/Cal
5. Robert James LB/Arizona State
5. Kroy Bierrmann LB/Montana
6. Thomas Brown RB/Georgia
7. Wilrey Fontenot CB/Arizona
7. Keith Zinger TE/LSU

Baltimore: B-

Trading down, and losing value, then trading up, and losing value, just seemed a little extreme. True, they didn't know they could have ended up with Henne late 2nd, but even after Flacco, Ray Rice doesn't seem to me to instantly help this team. Zbikowski was a reach, and Gooden and Cousins may need some time. This team is in crisis, and they did okay in the 3rd, but not great at the beginning.

1. Joe Flacco QB/Delaware
2 . Ray Rice RB/Rutgers
3. Tavares Gooden LB/Miami
3. Tom Zbikowski S/Notre Dame
3. Oniel Cousins OG/UTEP
4. Marcus Smith WR/New Mexico
4. David Hale OT/Weber State
6. Haruki Nakamura S/Cincinnati
7. Justin Harper WR/V-Tech
7 . Allen Patrick RB/Oklahoma

Buffalo: A

One of my favorite drafts. McKelvin, Hardy and Ellis could all come in and start and filled some major holes. Though I'm not a huge fan of Corner and Fine, both have niches that may fit into Buffalo. I think Omon and Bell were great late rounders. Great draft.

1. Leodis McKelvin CB/Troy
2. James Hardy WR/Indiana
3. Chris Ellis DE/Virginia Tech
4. Reggie Corner CB/Akron
4. Derek Fine TE/Kansas
5. Alvin Bowen LB/Iowa State
6. Xavier Omon RB/Northwest Missouri State
7. Demetrius Bell OT/Northwestern State
7. Steve Johnson WR/Kentucky
7. Kenard Cox CB/Pitt

Carolina: A-

Stewart seems like more of luxury pick for a team that is on the downfall, but after that, I like Carolina's draft. People diss them for giving up a 1st next year, but next year is a light OT draft and Otah could be a future LT. Likewise, their 2nd day was incredible. Godfrey, Connor, Barnidge and Hayden all have the ability to be future starters or at least contributers. Even their 7th round offensive lineman were value picks.

1. Jonathan Stewart RB/Oregon
1. Jeff Otah OT/Pitt
3. Charles Godfrey CB/Iowa
3. Dan Connor LB/Penn State
5. Gary Barnidge TE/Louisville
6. Nick Hayden DT/Wisconsin
7. Hilee Taylor LB/North Caroina
7. Geoff Schwartz OL/Oregon
7. Mackenzy Bernadeau OG/Bentley

Chicago: A-

I think Chicago's draft was very good. They believe in Rex, and now they give him the offensive pieces to do something. Chris Williams could become the best OT out of this draft. Matt Forte and Earl Bennett should fit the team well and contribute as rookies. Even there next four picks are guys who may have been undervalued and contribute in a few years with Harrison, Steltz, Bowman, and Davis. Good all-around.

1. Chris Williams OT/Vanderbilt
2. Matt Forte RB/Tulsa
3. Earl Bennett WR/Vanderbilt
3. Marcus Harrison DT/Arkansas
4. Craig Steltz S/LSU
5. Zack Bowman CB/Nebraska
5. Kellen Davis TE/MSU
7. Ervin Baldwin DE/Michigan State
7. Chester Adams OG/Georgia
7. Joey LaRocque LB/Oregon State
7. Kirk Barton OT/Ohio State
7. Marcus Monk WR/Arkansas

Cincinnati: B-

Once again, this draft should have been ALL high character guys. Rivers is solid, but their lack of a GM may have made them give up Sedrick Ellis. They also passed up some better WRs for Jerome Simpson, a guy who probably can't come in and impact as a rookie, but may develop into a star. Sims was a VERY low character guy who quit his team at Auburn before coming back. I like Caldwell as a player as well as Collins, but then Jason Shirley was caught drunk driving twice, and was kicked off the team for other things. This is the type of guy who may cause problems and give you bad press while giving little in return. Mike Brown, stop picking low character guys and you'll do better in the public eye.

1. Keith Rivers LB/USC
2. Jerome Simpson WR/Coastal Carolina
3. Pat Sims DT/Auburn
3. Andre Caldwell WR/Florida
4. Anthony Collins OT/Kansas
5. Jason Shirley DT/Fresno State
6. Corey Lynch FS/Appalachian State
7. Angelo Craig DE/Cincinnati
7. Mario Urrutia WR/Louisville

Cleveland: A-

Cleveland had no first day, but looking at Quinn, Smith, and Rogers, you see three impact guys, so good job there. Beau Bell fits in VERY well, and Martin Rucker can be an extra weapon that could cause problems. I think Rubin was a still as a back-up NT, so overall, very good, but not sure if trading more was what they should have done instead of letting guys fall to them and keep some picks.

4. Beau Bell LB/UNLV
4. Martin Rucker TE/Missouri
6. Ahtyba Rubin DT/Iowa State
6. Paul Hubard WR/Wisconsin
7. Alex Hall DE/St. Augustine

Dallas: B+

Felix Jones was who they wanted and he fits in. Jenkins was an absolute steal and their later choices in Bennett, Choice and Scandrick were solid. It seems they just wanted to sure up two positions in RB and CB. The lack of addressing anything else really (Except #2 TE) hurts their grade/

1. Felix Jones RB/Arkansas
1. Mike Jenkins CB/USF
2. Martellus Bennett TE/Texas A&M
4. Tashard Choice RB/Georgia Tech
5. Orlando Scandrick CB/Boise State
6. Erick Walden DE/Middle Tennessee

Denver: B

I think Denver did solid. Ryan Clady could become the best O-lineman in this system ever with his tools and how he fits. Eddie Royal is a return specialist, and they needed some WR who can come in and play. The rest of the picks feel like a bunch of reserves and no one other than maybe Hillis who will ever make a giant impact.

1. Ryan Clady OT/Boise State
2. Eddie Royal WR/Virginia Tech
4. Kory Lichtensteiger OG/Bowling Green
4. Jack Williams CB/Kent State
5. Ryan Torain RB/Arizona State
5. Carlton Powell DT/Virginia Tech
6. Spencer Larsen OLB/Arizona
7. Josh Barrett S/Arizona State
7. Peyton Hills FB/Arkansas

Detroit: B+

I think Gosder could man that right side for some time, and Jordan Dizon, though being based, was a guy most teams had penned in the second round (myself to Indianapolis). He has a high motor and fits the system perfectly. Their second day picks were great and guys who have some guys who may start in a few years. Kevin Smith, Andre Fluellen and Cliff avril were all good value picks and guys who can find their niche in this system. They also get possibly the best FB in Felton in this draft. Second day helps them, but a solid draft overall.

1. Gosder Cherilus OT/Boston College
2. Jordan Dizon LB/Colorado
3. Kevin Smith RB/UCF
3. Andre Fluellen DT/Florida State
3. Cliff Avril LB/Purdue
5. Kenneth Moore WR/Wake Forest
5. Jerome Felton FB/Furman
7. Landon Cohen DE/Ohio
7. Caleb Campbell S/Army

Green Bay: B-

I'm just not understanding overall. They drafted Jordy Nelson at WR, a position that wasn't needed especially with Jones coming on last year. Brohm is a solid pick, great value, but you still have holes in the secondary OLB, and O-line, so why not trade out? I do love the Patrick Lee pick in the Late 2nd, and he may come in as a nickel immediately. I loved their later round picks, and that kept them from one of the worst grades.

2. Jordy Nelson WR/Kansas State
2. Brian Brohm QB/Louisville
2. Patrick Lee CB/Auburn
3. Jermichael Finley TE/Texas
4. Jeremy Thompson DE/Wake Forest
4. Josh Sitton OT/UCF
5. Bren Fiacomini OT/Louisville
7. Matt Flynn QB/LSU
7. Brett Swain WR/San Diego State

Houston: A-

Great draft for this team and this system. Brown is the LT they have always needed, and it really allows them to shake up their O-line. It may take a few years, but they can use Spencer for now. Molden is a solid corner who would really compliment Dunta. Slaton fits perfectly. Once again, he'll be a 3rd down back to start, but he will come in soon and could blow up in the ZBS. Adibi and Okam were TREMENDOUS picks who may start if they prove themselves. Okam was well worth a 5th rounder, since if he raises his motor, he could be a star. Overall, it could take 3 years to see the impact, but this was a great draft.

1. Duane Brown OT/V-Tech
3. Antwaun Molden CB/Eastern Kentucky
3. Steve Slaton RB/West Virginia
4. Xavier Adibi LB/V-Tech
5. Frank Okam DT/Texas
6. Dominique Barber FS/Minnesota
7. Alex Brink QB/Washington State

Indianapolis: B

Indy's draft was just mediocre. Pollak was an alright pick, something they can use at guard or center, and I like the Wheeler pick as well. The rest of their picks were more centers/guards and another TEs and a LB. Some guys I like, for instance Tamme, Howard and Santi. But, they didn't address back-up RB or WR early, and instead end up with Hart and Garcon, two guys who may never play a down. Eh.

2. Mike Pollak OT/Arizona State
3. Phillip Wheeler LB/Georgia Tech
4. Jacob Tamme TE/Kentucky
5. Marcus Howard LB/Georgia
6. Tom Santi TE/Virginia
6. Steve Justice C/Wake Forest
6. Mike Hart RB/Michigan
6. Pierre Garcon WR/Mount Union
7. Jamey Richard OL/Buffalo

Jacksonville: C+

I didn't like the choices Jacksonville made. You trade up a MAJOR amount for Harvey, and then draft another pass-rusher the pick after! I still don't think that Jacksonville's passing game or secondary is where it needs to be, and neither were addressed early. They also never got any O-line depth. They filled their major need, but if injuries happen next year, this draft won't do you any favors.

1. Derrick Harvey DE/Florida
2. Quentin Groves DE/Auburn
5. Thomas Williams LB/USC
5. Trae Williams CB/USF
6. Chauncey Washington RB/USC

Kansas City: A

The best draft easily. Most everyone agrees, but I think KC could come out of this draft with 7 starters. Dorsey and Albert, two of the best players in the draft at two of the most important positions. Flowers was a steal in the 2nd as well. Charles is a great player who fell and they can groom and bring in since LJ seems a bit run-down. Cottam fits in KC very well and can replace Gonzo. Finally, I like Franklin and Richardson as possible developmental starter. They also got a returner in Kevin Robinson who reminds me of Dante Hall. GREAT draft.

1. Glenn Dorsey DT/LSU
1. Branden Albert OG/Virginia
2 . Brandon Flowers CB/V-Tech
3. Jamaal Charles RB/Texas
3. Brad Cottam TE/Tennessee
4. William Franklin WR/Missouri
5. Brandon Carr CB/Grand Valley
6. Barry Richardson OT/Clemson
6. Kevin Robinson WR/Utah State
7. Brian Johnston DE/Gardner-Webb
7. Mike Merritt TE/Central Florida

Miami: A-

Having the #1 pick can't hurt much. They got Jake Long. They traded for Fasano and Ayodele, two guys Bill and Sparano like. Merling, if he can find his place in the defense, could be a difference maker. I've also gone on record to say that Chad Henne could be the best QB to come out of this draft. I also really like Langford and Parmele on the Dolphins. Great draft by the team overall.

1. Jake Long OT/Michigan
2. Phillip Merling DE/Clemson
2. Chad Henne QB/Michigan
3. Kendall Langford DL/Hampton
4. Shawn Murphy OT/Utah State
6. Jalen Parmele RB/Toledo
6. Donald Thomas OG/Uconn
6. Lex Hilliard RB/Montana
7. Lionel Dotson DL/Arizona

Minnesota: A-

I think Jared Allen was very good value and will fix Minnesota's biggest needs. Then, they traded up for another possible hole to get Tyrell Johnson who can replace Darren Sharper soon. Finally, they address two more depth issues in John David Booty and Letroy Guion. Booty WILL be a starter in this league and was a nice pick. Finally, Jaymar Johnson is a developmental WR. This team will be running to victory, but their defense looks VERY nasty now.

2. Tyrell Johnson S/Arkansas State
5. John David Booty QB/USC
5. Letroy Guion DT/Florida State
6. John Sullivan C/Notre Dame
6. Jaymar Johnson WR/Jackson State

New England: B

You can't criticize how this team drafts, but just on the surface, it looks just okay. Mayo was a little early, but an excellent fit. Wheatley was a reach, but he may be a star in this system. I don't like Crable in the 3-4 myself, but Kevin O'Connell is VERY similar to Tom Brady and this guy may learn a lot. They got the guys they wanted, and that gives them a solid B.

1. Jerod Mayo LB/Tennessee
2. Terrence Wheatley CB/Colorado
3. Shawn Crable LB/Michigan
3. Kevin O’Connell QB/San Diego State
4. Jonathan Wilhite CB/Auburn
5. Matt Slater WR/UCLA
6. Bo Ruud LB/Nebraska

New Orleans: A

My third favorite draft. Ellis and Porter are instant impact players that can mend the major defensive woes. How bad was NO at DT? They needed another and got a steal in Pressley in the 5th. I also like Nicks as a developmental OT, and Mehlhaff was the best kicker in this draft. Arrington also drafted in the same position as Marques Colston. I can't argue any of these picks.

1. Sedrick Ellis DT/USC
2. Tracy Porter CB/Indiana
5. DeMario Pressley DT/NC State
5. Carl Nicks OT/Nebraska
6. Taylor Mehlhaff K/Wisconsin
7. Adrian Arrington WR/Michigan

New York Giants: B+

Once again, you can't question a Jerry Reese, and I think NYG did okay. Phillips fills a major need. I think Thomas was a slight reach, but he could definitely be an excellent player. Manningham doesn't really seem needed, especially with so many WRs coming out the woodwork, but we'll see if the Giants can work with him. They traded up for Kehl, and Goff and Woodson were steals. Good overall, but nothing mind-blowing.

1. Kenny Phillips S/Miami
2. Terrell Thomas CB/USC
3. Mario Manningham WR/Michigan
4. Bryan Kehl LB/BYU
5. Jonathan Goff LB/Vanderbilt
6. Andre Woodson QB/Kentucky
6. Robert Henderson DE/Southern Miss

New York Jets: B+

The Jets filled their major needs in the first with Gholston and a pass-catcher in Keller. Lowery makes sense to me as well, and Ainge seems a bit too similar to the QBs they already have. I do love the Henry pick late. Another solid draft, but nothing great.

1. Vernon Gholston DE/Ohio State
1. Dustin Keller TE/Purdue
4. Dwight Lowery CB/San Jose State
5. Erik Ainge QB/Tennessee
6. Marcus Henry WR/Kansas
7. Nate Garner OT/Arkansas

Oakland: B-

DMac wasn't a need, but could be the best guy in this draft. They trade Fabian Washington to replace him with Tyvon Branch? Eh. Arman Shields and Chaz don't excite me. Scott is a wildcard. Not horrible since Branch was good value, and DMac is a difference maker, but this run defense will still be horrendous.

1. Darren McFadden RB/Arkansas
4. Tyvon Branch CB/Uconn
4. Arman Shields WR/Richmond
6. Trevor Scott DE/Buffalo
7. Chaz Schilens WR/Miami


Philadelphia: B

Getting an extra first round pick bumps this out automatically. Trevor Laws is ANOTHER trench player Andy Reid grabs. Jackson was good value, but we'll see how he fits into the offense. I like McGlynn and Demps pick, but Smith was a reach. Okay draft, but it should set them up well for next year.

2. Trevor Laws DT/Notre Dame
2. DeSean Jackson WR/Cal
3. Bryan Smith LB/McNeese State
4. Mike McGlynn OT/Pitt
4. Quintin Demps FS/UTEP
6. Mike Gibson OT/Cal
6. Joe Mays LB/North Dakota State
6. Andy Studebaker LB/Wheaton
7. King Dunlap OT/Auburn

Pittsburgh: B+

I think Pittsburgh did well with value, not with need. Mendenhall and Sweed were high value picks, but it still left their trenches open. Davis fits well, though not a need, and Tony Hills is a solid back-up player. Very good draft with value, but not a Top 3 draft.

1. Rashard Mendenhall RB/Illinois
2. Limas Sweed WR/Texas
3. Bruce Davis LB/UCLA
4. Tony Hills OT/Texas
5. Dennis Dixon QB/Oregon
6. Mike Humpal LB/Iowa
6. Ryan Mundy S/West Virginia

San Diego: B-

The Chargers didn't have much to work with, so the grade can't be too high. I love Antoine Cason and he should compliment Cromartie VERY well. Trading up for Hester was NOT a good decision unless they think he can play RB well, but they didn't have the picks to trade. the rest of their draft was mediocre at best.

1. Antoine Cason
3. Jacob Hester
5. Marcus Thomas RB/UTEP
6. DeJuan Tribble CB/Boston College
7. Corey Clark OT/Texas A&M

San Francisco: B+

I think San Fran had a typical draft. Got some value and took some guys who fit. Balmer helps them at DE if Smith doesn't fit. Chilo and Reggie Smith were good value picks that can instantly help San Francisco. The rest of their picks were nothing great. Good draft.

1. Kentwan Balmer DE/North Carolina
2. Chilo Rachal OG/USC
3. Reggie Smith DB/Oklahoma
4. Cody Wallace OL/Texas A&M
6. Josh Morgan WR/Virginia Tech
7. Larry Grant LB/Ohio State

Seattle: C+

I just don't understand taking another DE. As much as I like Lawrence Jackson, Seattle has offensive holes. They take a good blocking TE in Carlson. I don't see how Bryant and the two Schmitt's really help this team, so I think Seattle may finally lose the division.

1. Lawrence Jackson DE/USC
2. John Carlson TE/Notre Dame
4. Red Bryant DT/Texas A&M
5. Owen Schmitt FB/West Virginia
6. Tyler Schmitt LS/San Diego State
7. Justin Forsett RB/Cal
7. Brandon Coutu K/Georgia

St. Louis: B+

I like what St. Louis did more than most. Chris Long is an instant impact guy. Avery, though some people say reach, he compliments Holt and Bennett very very well. Greco and King were value picks who could be stars in a few years. Even Burtin and Schuening were value picks who will contribute. Good draft.

1. Chris Long DE/Virginia
2. Donnie Avery WR/Houston
3. John Greco OT/Toledo
4. Justin King CB/Penn State
4. Keenan Burton WR/Kentucky
5. Roy Schuening OG/Oregon State
7. Chris Chamberlain DB/Tulsa
7. David Vobora LB/Idaho

Tampa Bay: B-

I wasn't thrilled with Tampa's draft. I like Talib as a player, and they never back down from chancing on guys. Dexter Jackson is a Gruden player but WAY tio early. I'm not a huge fan of Zuttah, but the Moore, Johnson, Hayes, and Boyd picks were good. I think Jenkins fit TB better in the first, so I knock it down a little more to a B-, but this draft MAY work out well for them.

1. Aqib Talib CB/Kansas
2. Dexter Jackson WR/Appalachian State
3. Jeremy Zuttah OG/Rutgers
4. Dre Moore DT/Maryland
5. Josh Johnson QB/San Diego
6. Geno Hayes ILB/Florida State
7. Cory Boyd RB/South Carolina

Tennessee Titans: C+

I'm not sure what Tennessee is trying to do. As much as I like Chris Johnson (and think he is a MUCH better version of Chris Henry,) he wasn't needed for their first round pick. Jason Jones was a good pick-up in the 2nd and can help the defensive line. But past that, nothing that I love. Hayes and Kegler were pretty poor picks. Stevens was alright in the 3rd, but nothing special. Just a sub-par draft overall.

1. Chris Johnson RB/East Carolina
2. Jason Jones DE/Eastern Michigan
3. Craig Stevens TE/Cal
4. William Hayes DE/Winston-Salem
4. Stanford Kegler LB/Pudeu
7. Cary Williams CB/Washburn

Washington Redskins: A-

I liked this Redskins draft. Though many may not, they need a more explosive offense to fit Zorn. Zorn grabbed value guys who fit his system and this offense will compete with the defenses in the NFC East. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly all will fit in and set-up a GREAT passing game in a few years. I like Rinehart and Tryon pretty well. Likewise, they grabbed Colt Brennan who fits in perfectly and can be a great back-up. Overall, very good draft in my opinion.

2. Devin Thomas WR/Michigan State
2. Malcolm Kelly WR/Oklhoma
2. Fred Davis TE/USC
3. Chad Rinehart OT/Northern Iowa
4. Justin Tryon CB/Arizona State
6. Durant Brooks P/Georgia Tech
6. Kareem Moore DB/Nicholls State
6. Colt Brennan QB/Hawaii
7. Rob Jackson DE/Kansas State
7. Chris Horton FS/UCLA


1. Kansas City: A
2. Buffalo: A
3. New Orleans: A
4. Miami: A-
5. Minnesota: A-
6. Cleveland: A-
7. Carolina: A-
8. Houston: A-
9. Chicago: A-
10. Washington: A-
11. Atlanta: A-
12. Pittsburgh: B+
13. New York Giants: B+
14. Arizona: B+
15. Dallas: B+
16. St. Louis: B+
17. New York Jets: B+
18. San Francisco: B+
19. Detroit: B+
20. Philadelphia: B
21. Denver: B
22. New England: B
23. Indianapolis: B
24. Tampa Bay: B-
25. Cincinnati: B-
26. Baltimore: B-
27. Green Bay: B-
28. San Diego: B-
29. Oakland: B-
30. Jacksonville: C+
31. Seattle: C+
32. Tennessee: C+

JagHombre22
04-28-2008, 06:52 PM
Jacksonville gave up two thirds and fourth to move UP 18 spots...how is that giving up a MAJOR amount?

Harvey was likely going to be picked by cinncy at #9 and they couldn't risk letting Harvey fall...they made a play...they also got Trae Williams in the 5th round...alot of time at USF Williams was outplaying Jenkins...

Shane P. Hallam
04-28-2008, 06:55 PM
Jacksonville gave up two thirds and fourth to move UP 18 spots...how is that giving up a MAJOR amount?

Harvey was likely going to be picked by cinncy at #9 and they couldn't risk letting Harvey fall...they made a play...they also got Trae Williams in the 5th round...alot of time at USF Williams was outplaying Jenkins...

I don't know how much Trae translates, but it was a good pick.

I think Jacksonville just needed a lot of depth, so you're giving up three solid players for a guy who isn't always that dominant. Harvey has some physical tools, but big OTs will take him out of plays easily. I don't like giving up picks unless the guy perfectly fits ya and you need him. And the truth is, Harvey may have been a bit overrated by draft day.

bantx
04-28-2008, 06:55 PM
San Diego Chargers - C+


Chargers drafted Cason our secondary is gonna be beast next year, it was already best secondary in the league last year and it only got better. Jacob Hester it was a reach but hes a nice strong runningback/fullback that will compliment LT, another CB to fill depth, another runningback i guess to fill depth, and a OT a much needed OT too.

i was worried about AJ drafting 2 runningbacks but now that i look at it AJ was great with picking out runningbacks, back when we drafted LT, turner, and sproles, AJ was our assistant GM and and all help get those runningbacks all turned out to be some good runningbacks, and some great.

Only thing that disappointed me was well i kinda wanted kenny phillips 1st round but cant complain with a guy like cason added to the secondary and another i wish we wouldve gotten a OT when we traded for that 3rd round cause we lost our starter and we now have a walk on starter with a Rookie OT.

Everybody that AJ drafted we are going to sign so thats the good thing about it.

Overall grade of our draft i give us a C+ to B-

JagHombre22
04-28-2008, 06:58 PM
I don't know how much Trae translates, but it was a good pick.

I think Jacksonville just needed a lot of depth, so you're giving up three solid players for a guy who isn't always that dominant. Harvey has some physical tools, but big OTs will take him out of plays easily. I don't like giving up picks unless the guy perfectly fits ya and you need him. And the truth is, Harvey may have been a bit overrated by draft day.

fair enough....

Harvey can bulk up though....I expect him to

sweetness34
04-28-2008, 07:01 PM
Bulking up is fine, but does he have the consistent motor needed to be an impact DE in the NFL?

It's the same thing with Gholston. Lack of consistency. Tools are there, talent is there, upside is there...But not consistent production. With Harvey's talent he should have been a lot more productive than he was.

JagHombre22
04-28-2008, 07:08 PM
Bulking up is fine, but does he have the consistent motor needed to be an impact DE in the NFL?

It's the same thing with Gholston. Lack of consistency. Tools are there, talent is there, upside is there...But not consistent production. With Harvey's talent he should have been a lot more productive than he was.

He was a lot more productive with good players on the line with him...Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas....I think on the Jaguars Dline he will do fine...

still, 20 sacks in two seasons is damn good...

Draft King
04-28-2008, 07:09 PM
1. Matt Ryan QB/Boston College
1. Sam Baker OT/USC
2. Curtis Lofton LB/Oklahoma
3. Chevis Jackson CB/LSU
3. Harry Douglas WR/Louisville
3. Thomas DeCoud S/Cal
5. Robert James LB/Arizona State
5. Kroy Bierrmann LB/Montana
6. Thomas Brown RB/Georgia
7. Wilrey Fontenot CB/Arizona
7. Keith Zinger TE/LSU

Matt Ryan will fill the void Michael Vick left at QB, all the intagibles to be a great one in this league, although is arm strength on the deep ball is questionable. Sam Baker seems like he may have been overdrafted, but due to the LT run going down we had no choice but to trade up and find a big boy to protect Ryan. Curtis Lofton was a great pick in the 2nd, he will immediately contribute and allow Brooking to move back to his natural position, I see him as a DeMeco Ryans type player.

Chevis Jackson is a tough, physical corner, perfect for the Cover 2 defense we intend to run. Harry Douglas has potential and looks the part as a slot reciever. Thomas DeCoud looks like a special-teams standout and hopefully can transfer that ability over to the safety position. Robert James and Biermann will both be special teams players and are intruiging, especially Biermann. (check out his youtube video) Thomas Brown looks like a steal in the fifth, reminds me of Warrick Dunn, doesn't have to elusiveness and not as good a reciever, but much stronger and has some return ability. Not sure about Fontenot and Zinger.

I'll give this a B+.

abaddon41_80
04-28-2008, 07:10 PM
Perfect description of the 49ers draft

sweetness34
04-28-2008, 07:12 PM
Sam Baker is going to get eaten up at LT if they put him there. He's either a RT or a LG.

BaLLiN
04-28-2008, 07:13 PM
i think you have giants pretty much in the right area, maybe a little lower than a B+. They did very good for a team picking last.

sweetness34
04-28-2008, 07:15 PM
He was a lot more productive with good players on the line with him...Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas....I think on the Jaguars Dline he will do fine...

still, 20 sacks in two seasons is damn good...

Will Davis had 9.5 and was banged up a bit last year. Harvey averages out to 10 a year and for a so called "elite pass rusher" I think that's underachieving. Plus he got swallowed up in the run game.

He's a rare talent, no doubt but I want to see more production and more consistent effort out of him. He's a definite bust possibility, much like Gholston.

JagHombre22
04-28-2008, 07:17 PM
Will Davis had 9.5 and was banged up a bit last year. Harvey averages out to 10 a year and for a so called "elite pass rusher" I think that's underachieving. Plus he got swallowed up in the run game.

He's a rare talent, no doubt but I want to see more production and more consistent effort out of him. He's a definite bust possibility, much like Gholston.

Oh, I agree...but with John Henderson, Reggie Hayward and Quentin Groves mixing it up....I think he will be fine....

bored of education
04-28-2008, 08:01 PM
Nice job JBond. I would rep you but you havent repped me ever.

themaninblack
04-28-2008, 09:10 PM
Pat Sims left the team because his sister died. I'd say that hardly makes him a low character guy, much less a VERY low character guy. With Shirley you may have a point though.

Caddy
04-28-2008, 09:30 PM
You're just a hater Jbond! The Bucs draft was worth AT least an A!!!

gsorace
04-28-2008, 09:35 PM
I don't like Crable in the 3-4 myself

Umm...why? That's the only scheme I could see him playing in.

OzTitan
04-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Ummm JBond, you forgot Lavelle Hawkins for the Titans ;)

megansett56BC
04-28-2008, 11:33 PM
Pretty fair grade on New England, but don't forget to consider that they also maneuvered to get a 2nd rounder next year.

I do agree with the fact they took a lot of guys early, but I like Crable in a 3-4, especially considering he will have a little time to develop.

M.O.T.H.
04-29-2008, 12:23 AM
Dallas Cowboys (posted this in the cowboys section)

RB, Felix Jones...

Perfect compliment to Marion Barber. Outstanding vision, burst, lateral quickness, and elite return skills. Can be effective in between the tackles or can turn the corner w/ ease, in a flash. Catches the ball very well out of the backfield and can stretch the field when lining up in the slot. Causing matchup problems in the process.

CB, Mike Jenkins...

My favorite corner in the draft. Outstanding cover man, who can develop into a shutdown corner. At pick 25 the value is incredible...could be the steal of the 1st round.

TE, Martellus Bennett...

I didnt think we would go TE so early but, I'm not complaining. Excellent sized TE w/ tremendous potential. Big red zone threat who could cause matchup problems, lining up in the slot. Also, a good blocker...the potential had to be too good to pass up. Just another weapon to add to the arsenal. Better than Fasano.

RB, Tashard Choice...

I wanted no part of him as a Barber compliment but, as a depth guy...this was a solid "Choice". Gives us some nice security if Barber or Jones get injured or a contract agreement cannot be met w/ Barber. Excellent character guy who can run effectively between the tackles. A nice depth pick.

CB, Orlando Scandrick...

I dont think this pick was needed...we were set at corner even before this selection. That being said, the value is outstanding. He could be a real find for us...if he went back for his senior year, he would certainly be a 1st day pick. Big time triangle numbers. Should beat out Ball for that 5th spot.

OLB, Erik Walden...

I think this was a bit of a reach...I would have preferred a Howard or Johnson but, Walden has intriguing potential. Workout warrior w/ great athleticism and excellent physique. Rather raw but, he possesses great speed and burst for the position. He's going to work hard for us. Should beat out Rogers and hopefully, spell Ware on occassion. Potential Steal.

We made some interesting selections...got some excellent value but, some needs did go untouched. Mainly Qb and SS but, all and all...I think this was an outstanding draft. I'd probably go B+ because of adding another corner late and reaching on Walden but, I honestly couldnt be much happier.

Mr. Stiller
04-29-2008, 05:58 AM
Pittsburgh: B+

I think Pittsburgh did well with value, not with need. Mendenhall and Sweed were high value picks, but it still left their trenches open. Davis fits well, though not a need, and Tony Hills is a solid back-up player. Very good draft with value, but not a Top 3 draft.

1. Rashard Mendenhall RB/Illinois
2. Limas Sweed WR/Texas
3. Bruce Davis LB/UCLA
4. Tony Hills OT/Texas
5. Dennis Dixon QB/Oregon
6. Mike Humpal LB/Iowa
6. Ryan Mundy S/West Virginia

Agree with the first 2 picks being value .. per se...

1)Even though it's not a ligament.. Parker is coming off a season ending injury...
2) Holmes and Ward are good for missing 1-2 games a year.. Ward only has I think 2 more years.
3) This is where I really disagree with you. Sure our DL Depth isn't "Amazing".. but OLB was in need of more depth than DL. We're 5 deep at DE. We have no one behind James Harrison (30 years old) and LaMarr Woodley. Arnold Harrison and Andre Frazier are St'ers only and Hardly replaceable. Davis is a very underrated 3-4 Passrusher because of his Combine #'s.. but he has the exact makeup of a Steelers OLB.
4) I think Hills will eventually be our LT.. be it in about 2-3 years.. He'll replace Trai Essex next year at Backup LT when his 1 year RFA contract runs out.


DE: Smith, Keisel, McBean, Eason, Kirschke.

OLB: J. Harrison, Woodley, Frazier, A. Harrison.



Basically I disagree with Bruce Davis being Value and not Need. I think thats where Need met Value.

For only having originally 6 picks... then 7 total.. I'd say we had a top 5 draft. Possibly even our first 3 picks pushing us at 3 or 4.

Not bad considering some teams had upwards of 12-15 picks.

Todd McShay has us as his #1 draft.

Iamcanadian
04-29-2008, 06:59 AM
When I see a grading sheet with 2 teams at C and 11 teams at A, I cannot take it too seriously. It's unrealistic and way out of proportion.

Unbiased
04-29-2008, 12:26 PM
Calais Campbell alone gives the Cardinals an A+. Name another player in the draft who will draw quadriple teams.

MURPHMAN
04-29-2008, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the love of Carolina's second day. Kiper just said the Panthers had the best day 2 of anybody.

Shane P. Hallam
04-29-2008, 12:53 PM
Agree with the first 2 picks being value .. per se...

1)Even though it's not a ligament.. Parker is coming off a season ending injury...
2) Holmes and Ward are good for missing 1-2 games a year.. Ward only has I think 2 more years.
3) This is where I really disagree with you. Sure our DL Depth isn't "Amazing".. but OLB was in need of more depth than DL. We're 5 deep at DE. We have no one behind James Harrison (30 years old) and LaMarr Woodley. Arnold Harrison and Andre Frazier are St'ers only and Hardly replaceable. Davis is a very underrated 3-4 Passrusher because of his Combine #'s.. but he has the exact makeup of a Steelers OLB.
4) I think Hills will eventually be our LT.. be it in about 2-3 years.. He'll replace Trai Essex next year at Backup LT when his 1 year RFA contract runs out.


DE: Smith, Keisel, McBean, Eason, Kirschke.

OLB: J. Harrison, Woodley, Frazier, A. Harrison.



Basically I disagree with Bruce Davis being Value and not Need. I think thats where Need met Value.

For only having originally 6 picks... then 7 total.. I'd say we had a top 5 draft. Possibly even our first 3 picks pushing us at 3 or 4.

Not bad considering some teams had upwards of 12-15 picks.

Todd McShay has us as his #1 draft.

Quality over quantity my friend, our DL back-ups aren't really very good.

And Hills is DEFINITELY not a LT. He won't be.

ThePudge
04-29-2008, 01:12 PM
Yea, to follow up what was said earlier, Pat Sims may not be an angel, but he is far from a low character player. He's a guy who had a hard up-bringing in a big family. He left the team because his sister died and he temporarily lost motivation there, but it got to him and he had to come back to football, the game he loved. His character is questioned, though probably unfairly.

Shirley is a guy that just needs to get it together. He's far from a thug, let me get that across right now, but he has to prioritize better and know the risks of his actions. He was caught on a DUI, which looks as if it will be dropped anyway. Eric Steinbach was also charged with a DUI, no one questions his character. I, myself, have been charged with drunk driving, though DUI was unnecessary because I blew a .05 so I got out of it with an underage charge. The point being, one event such as this one does not strike me as being a thug or criminal. It was a mistake, but we don't know the circumstances.

I'm not a homer toward Cincinnati, I'll put that out there. I can admit when something or someone is bad, especially draft-wise. This was one of their best drafts in years, perhaps since 2002 or 2003.

Unbiased
04-29-2008, 01:31 PM
Quality over quantity my friend, our DL back-ups aren't really very good.

And Hills is DEFINITELY not a LT. He won't be.

Explain why Hills is definitely not a LT.

proshoota25
04-29-2008, 02:09 PM
i agree with the patriots draft grade

no love
04-29-2008, 02:20 PM
Perfect description of the 49ers draft

Yah. The 49ers were all about meat and potatoes. But where was the SAUCE!?!?

ncst8fan83
04-29-2008, 03:41 PM
You forgot DaJuan Morgan to Kansas City in the 3rd. Solid draft for them.

gdamac
04-29-2008, 07:05 PM
I don't argue with your grade of the Raiders, b- may be generous but I guess Dmac brings up the curve a bit.

With Branch, he isn't replacing Washington, Hall is. If Branch makes the team it will be on ST and as a back up safety not at CB.

The other 3 picks are interesting, once we took Dmac fixing the run defense went out the window. I don't see a 4th rounder coming in a fixing anything. Maybe 3 years from now.

I actually do find the WRs somewhat intriguing, for Shields to blow his knee up and then go into the combine and put up those numbers shows some heart, we'll see. And I like Schilens size and measurables. 4.38 40, 10.4 broad, 43'' vert. relatively productive on a crap team. We'll see.

Good grades overall, I have to agree that Herm and the Chiefs did a great job. Thanks.

Dam8610
04-29-2008, 07:40 PM
fair enough....

Harvey can bulk up though....I expect him to

That's it, make him slower than NFL QBs instead of just as slow.

Shane P. Hallam
04-29-2008, 09:05 PM
That's it, make him slower than NFL QBs instead of just as slow.

Mr. Stiller told me he can play DT.

HTown NFL fan
05-03-2008, 09:30 AM
You cannot give Carolina an A-. Giving up their 1st round pick for next year and 2d round pick this year for their starting RT is too much. Especially when you compare it to other trades that were made. Stewart is good value but if they needed an OT so desperately that they needed to trade a future 1st, then they should have taken an OT with their first pick.

I think Carolina may have had the best 3d round of all with Godfrey and Connor so I only drop them to a B-. But you have to get more than an RT and an RB who will split carries with a 1st round pick from the recent past (DeAngelo) for your 1st, 2nd, and future 1st round picks.

Likewise, I think you have to give Philly a better grade simply for snagging Carolina's future 1st. Especially since it is likely to be a top 20 pick and maybe even top 10-15.

BlindSite
05-03-2008, 06:26 PM
Jesus christ a team has offense issues with having a broken QB and no number 2 receiver.

So we get our QB back and sign 2 good receivers and the team is suddenly on the downfall?

No, just, no.

RCAChainGang
05-03-2008, 07:49 PM
I loved the Colts draft.

Mike Pollack- Jeff Saturday's contract is up next year and we will probably let him go. For right now he can play guard. I liked him at center and I'm glad we got him.

Philip Wheeler- He won't get a ton of snaps, but he is good in coverage and will match up with most RB's and TE's. He is undersized but the Colts have proved undersized lineman can be utilized. He also had a great combine; Solid numbers.

Jacob Tamme- He is a great mismatch in the passing game. He is fast and is similar to Dallas Clark. I can see us using some two TE sets using him and Clark. Solid hands and will translate great into our offense.

Marcus Howard- Another depth pick for linebacker. I like him because he is great with the pass rush using his hands in the rush. He doesn't have elite size though and may prove not able to play DE to his lack of strength, but I like him at LB.

Tom Santi- He is going to be used more as a blocker in our scheme. He isn't as fast as we like our TE's but has good Run Blocking skills. He's a smart kid and aware; what our organization looks for. I was okay with this pick.

Steve Justice- I liked him a lot. He is versatile. and I can see him playing guard in and out. He doesn't have great strength, but he makes good depth for our line.

Mike Hart- He is quick and will be a good 3rd down blocker. Has good hands and we will use him as a receiver out of the backfield. He is aggressive as well as smart. I like Mike Hart, but hemight have some durability issues.( Cut Kenton Keith!)


Pierre Garcon- I think we are fine at WR. I really like Aroshamadu. Pierre Garcon might land a spot returning kicks. WR isn't as big as a need IMO.

Jamey Richard- I noticed he is a very good zone blocker and we use a lot of that. Small school and will not land too many snaps. Just a depth pick.

I would give Indy a B+

I agree JBond. Good grade.