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jetsfan0099
04-28-2008, 07:22 PM
I think the franchised is cursed...... By the talk of everyone on here and the guys on TV, Gholston is the biggest bust of the draft....... Why do we always draft bust?? Why is this franchise so bad?? Then the guys on TV also think Dustin Keller was a 3rd round talent, so theres another 1st round TE bust for us....... Why do I even like this team???

sweetness34
04-28-2008, 07:24 PM
I don't see how a guy is a bust when he hasn't played an NFL snap. He has a bust "factor" because he seems to be a bit of a workout warrior that lacks consistency, but that doesn't mean he will be.

thefalconer
04-28-2008, 07:24 PM
its been one day! holy crap.

jetsfan0099
04-28-2008, 07:25 PM
This franchise can't afford a bust..

Ravens1991
04-28-2008, 07:25 PM
over 1/2 of d-lineman that are selected top 10 seem to take plays off. Mario Williams was inconsistent in college and he had 14 sacks as a 2nd year player.

jetsfan0099
04-28-2008, 07:26 PM
Everyone is saying they are going to be bust, so I guess that means they are going to be bust. No one at all likes Gholston, why did we draft him?

sweetness34
04-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Who cares what people say? Let things play out.

Bucs_Rule
04-28-2008, 07:43 PM
He has the second highest bust chances of the top 6. (Ryan is tops naturally) imo of course. His upside is huge though, higher than Chris Long. I would have taken him too at that point. Who did those people want the Jets to take instead?

Everyone said that the Texans made a huge mistake passing on Bush for Williams. Only way to find out is to wait 3 years.

jetsfan0099
04-28-2008, 07:49 PM
Does Gholston compare to Mario Williams though?? Weren't their college stats close to alike?? And both are physical freaks.

eaglesfan_45
04-28-2008, 07:54 PM
I think the franchised is cursed...... By the talk of everyone on here and the guys on TV, Gholston is the biggest bust of the draft....... Why do we always draft bust?? Why is this franchise so bad?? Then the guys on TV also think Dustin Keller was a 3rd round talent, so theres another 1st round TE bust for us....... Why do I even like this team???

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/nathx/emocat.jpg

jetsfan0099
04-28-2008, 07:56 PM
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/nathx/emocat.jpg

I was being sarcastic, because it seems like every guy on TV and all the guys online are already calling Gholston a bust. I hope it ends up like Mario Williams situation.

tjsunstein
04-28-2008, 07:57 PM
jetsfan, these are peoples opinions, not actual scenarios. Now that hes is IN the NFL i think he will intensify his workouts and become a hardworker. It seemed like until now everything has been handed to him since he got word he was a first round talent.

brat316
04-28-2008, 07:59 PM
Jets got Danny WOODHEAD.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
04-28-2008, 10:13 PM
just ********. Do i even need to comment on this? I don't think so

keylime_5
04-28-2008, 10:17 PM
Well considering how well Gholston played against the #1 overall pick in the draft and how great he was against LSU I say the experts are nitpicking and really looking for someone to go down on in the top ten. Matt Ryan was just too easy of a target I guess. I think the real reason they went to hard on calling Gholston overated is because like Mario Wiliams during his junior year Gholston took a while to really catch fire and at the end of they year he was the most consistently dominant DE there was and really abused every tackle he faced if you look at the film. That plus he was a workout warrior who was a top 10 pick when in a normal draft he probably should go in the 8-15 range and some people were pimping him for top 4 which is too high for him.

CC.SD
04-28-2008, 10:18 PM
Gholston is going to be GOOD.

bored of education
04-28-2008, 10:21 PM
a bust already?

asmitty45
04-28-2008, 11:10 PM
Gholston should be very effective in that system, I don't even think he's the most likely bust in the top 6. I give that honor to Matt Ryan, almost simply b/c he has Joey "Ballgame harrington to show him the ropes.

Aftermath
04-28-2008, 11:30 PM
Gholston got bored in college.

Crickett
04-28-2008, 11:32 PM
Is this thread really necessary?

toonsterwu
04-28-2008, 11:48 PM
I do find it interesting that they ended up acknowledging that Chris Long was their preference. The last week or so, many were talking about the fall of Chris Long. It looks like that was just false, as talk has been the Raiders would've probably taken him at 4, the Chiefs, assuming that Dorsey wasn't there, would've taken him at 5, and at 6, the Jets definitively would've taken him.

As for Gholston and Keller, the picks are fine. I didn't think they'd have the guts to pull the Keller pick, but they did, and I applaud them for that. They needed a guy like that to attack the middle. As for Vernon, he should be alright at the least. First off, he's likely to be rotated in and out a bit, with Pace and Thomas there. 2nd of all, they can scheme around any deficiences.

MetSox17
04-29-2008, 12:03 AM
Just stop watching the Jets. It's obvious that they're out to get their fans and lose their commitment to the team.

Why else would they draft Gholston? It's not like they get paid to watch
and analyze every inch of the prospect to make the best decision possible
on what they'll invest tens of millions of dollars.

Damn Jets ownership. Damn yous!

Paranoidmoonduck
04-29-2008, 12:09 AM
I do find it interesting that they ended up acknowledging that Chris Long was their preference. The last week or so, many were talking about the fall of Chris Long. It looks like that was just false, as talk has been the Raiders would've probably taken him at 4, the Chiefs, assuming that Dorsey wasn't there, would've taken him at 5, and at 6, the Jets definitively would've taken him.

I thought Chris Long was definitely a possibility for Oakland, but apparently they had already assured McFadden that morning that if he was there, they would have taken him. In light of what some of Oakland's coaches have said, I think McFadden was the unquestioned #1 on that board for a really long time.

As for the Jets, I wouldn't worry about Gholston. I've been one of his more outspoken detractors on this site, but the potential there is immense. Maybe he never harnesses all of it, but he'll at least be able to beat an offensive tackle to the edge several times a game and close down on the quarterback very fast playing from that linebacker spot.

TheGreatEscape
04-29-2008, 02:05 PM
Gholston probably never fulfills his potential, who honestly wants to bust their ** for the jets?, but I think that at least he'll get 8-12 sacks just due to his scheme letting him get someone one-on-one where his quickness and bullrush will beat average blockers.

Pb&j
04-29-2008, 02:14 PM
I don't think gholston is a good OLB, he will get sacks bet will suck in coverage and run contain, he is a RDE in a 4-3, I just don't buy him as a full time 3-4 OLB.

brat316
04-29-2008, 03:30 PM
Gholston probably never fulfills his potential, who honestly wants to bust their ** for the jets?, but I think that at least he'll get 8-12 sacks just due to his scheme letting him get someone one-on-one where his quickness and bullrush will beat average blockers.

What the hell what curse word has two letter in it

619
04-29-2008, 03:34 PM
If he were positioned to be a 4-3 end I'd then say there's a 'bust' factor to consider however I only see him thriving in this 3-4 defense especially with the talent he's got surrounding him on the linebacking core.

Staubach12
04-29-2008, 03:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

Just throwing that one out there.

MaxV
04-29-2008, 03:42 PM
I think it was a VERY good pick for the Jets.

He was clearly the best player available.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
04-29-2008, 07:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

Just throwing that one out there.

been beaten to death already a million times. As far as i can tell, one draft under one management has little influence on the draft of the same team under different management.

Just throwing it out there

TimD
04-29-2008, 07:13 PM
This is dumb. The Jets have said that Keller was their 2nd pick if he was there. They got nervous because GB was looking for a TE (they drafted a WR in rd 2 and a TE in rd 3) and because the Giants' situation with Shockey. Keller wasn't projected for the 3rd round. The guy is a physical freak who will most likely line up as a slot WR/TE. if you dont know what your talking about dont hate on the pick.

gholston has done nothing to hint that he could be a bust.

Crickett
04-29-2008, 07:18 PM
gholston has done nothing to hint that he could be a bust.

He had a good combine and he's ripped. And obviously, Mike Mamula was the only DE who has ever had a good combine AND looked ripped. So, logically, Vernon Gholston is the next Mike Mamula.

thetedginnshow
04-29-2008, 07:25 PM
oh god we drafted mike mamula

Dam8610
04-29-2008, 07:26 PM
I think the Jets had the best first round of any team outside of Kansas City. They got an excellent rushbacker prospect at the top, then they traded back up into round 1 to grab by far the best TE in this draft, IMO. Gholston and Pace could wind up being terrors off the edge for them, and Keller is going to open their offense up so much (and with his strength, I'd be shocked if he doesn't turn into a complete TE).

Dam8610
04-29-2008, 07:31 PM
I don't think gholston is a good OLB, he will get sacks bet will suck in coverage and run contain, he is a RDE in a 4-3, I just don't buy him as a full time 3-4 OLB.

So you're saying you think he'll be Shawne Merriman? That's bad because...?

yourfavestoner
04-29-2008, 07:37 PM
So you're saying you think he'll be Shawne Merriman? That's bad because...?

Lol....that's exactly what I was thinking, actually.

tjsunstein
04-29-2008, 07:57 PM
Lol....that's exactly what I was thinking, actually.

The only I can think of is the steroids.

Menardo75
04-29-2008, 08:08 PM
I think Ryan will be the big bust in the top 6 if Gholston is coached correctly he shoul be ok not a fan of Keller though

Nitschke-Hawk
04-29-2008, 08:21 PM
http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-01-FB-0080.jpg

I'm not saying he's on roids, I hope he's not. Definitely seems like a good guy, but so does Merriman. But how could he be this jacked? He's also not the most fluid athlete out there. And the insane running times at the combine too? If he's not roided up, he is definitely the most physically imposing plater ever without using roids. I'm really surprised there hasn't been more speculation about it, but he has shot up in popularity in a relatively short time.

Sniper
04-29-2008, 10:16 PM
he is definitely the most physically imposing plater ever without using roids.

Vernon Davis is rather upset at the moment.
http://www.yoursportsnightcap.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/t1_davis.jpg

Gholston should take up something like yoga to improve his flexibility. He seems stiff when he drops into coverage and his hips have zero fluidity. Perhaps something like yoga could help.

Cribbs>Hester
05-01-2008, 05:56 AM
I think the franchised is cursed...... By the talk of everyone on here and the guys on TV, Gholston is the biggest bust of the draft....... Why do we always draft bust?? Why is this franchise so bad?? Then the guys on TV also think Dustin Keller was a 3rd round talent, so theres another 1st round TE bust for us....... Why do I even like this team???


Boy I ought to smack you upside the head. Quit your whinning because things could always be worse...you could be a Browns fan and have your team stolen from you then come back and be the laughing stock of the NFL for nearly a decade, oh and one of the oldest franchises to never even play in the Super Bowl(Cleveland and Detroit). They Jets have a Super Bowl win.

Gay Ork Wang
05-01-2008, 06:09 AM
in Superbowl III which is like 9000 years ago

jetsfan0099
05-01-2008, 06:25 PM
Boy I ought to smack you upside the head. Quit your whinning because things could always be worse...you could be a Browns fan and have your team stolen from you then come back and be the laughing stock of the NFL for nearly a decade, oh and one of the oldest franchises to never even play in the Super Bowl(Cleveland and Detroit). They Jets have a Super Bowl win.

In my life time I never seen the Jets in the SB. I only care about what I seen, I don't care that they won a SB in the 60s. I had to watch a lot of close games that always don't go our way. Like seriously in 2004 for one we were a kick away from the AFC championship, but our stupid Kicker missed 2 easy kicks, our franchise QB it appeared ends up tearing his rotator cuff 2 times to destroy his career, "Chad Pennington" He was great until he hurt his shoulder, he has not been the same since, he turns the ball over more and throws a lot of INTs. Inconsistent now.
The Jets are cursed, I am very hopeful though that Mangini is the man that can bring us to the promise land. He has been great so far here, even though he had a bad year last season, it was due to lack of talent IMO. His game plans always seem to be right on, but the players couldn't execute and we had 0 breaks last season. The one thing I am dying to see with the Jets is a true Franchise QB, we never get them.

RCAChainGang
05-01-2008, 09:57 PM
Haha, I think part off it is all those Jets fans are always booing the picks. :)

DragonFireKai
05-01-2008, 10:01 PM
Haha, I think part off it is all those Jets fans are always booing the picks. :)

The Jets Select... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98)

RCAChainGang
05-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Haha I have seen the The Jets Select FullBack (OHHHHH NOOOOO!!!!)
HAHA
thanks for the vid though

d34ng3l021
05-01-2008, 11:52 PM
best part: (when selecting obrien over marino) its clear the jets know something other people dont.

yeaaaahhhh....about that.

Crickett
05-02-2008, 12:00 AM
best part: (when selecting obrien over marino) its clear the jets know something other people dont.

yeaaaahhhh....about that.

I think about that line every time someone tells me how professional team scouting departments are and how many thousands of people they have disecting every molecule of NFL draft prospects and how they spend millions and billions evaluating talent.

CC.SD
05-02-2008, 12:07 AM
Hey, I'm as ripped as Gholston and I haven't used steroids. It's doable. :D

tom
05-03-2008, 12:58 AM
God, what a bunch of cry babies... Dustin Keller? More like Helen keller!

katnip
05-05-2008, 07:27 PM
sooooooooooooooo. just go with your own opinion in my opinion