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Geo
04-29-2008, 04:30 PM
2009 Colts roster
Included for each player is the last year of the current contract

Quarterback
Peyton Manning (2010)
Jim Sorgi (2010)
Curtis Painter (2012)

Runningback
Joseph Addai (2010)
Donald Brown (2013)
Mike Hart (?)
Chad Simpson (?)

Wide Receiver
Reggie Wayne (2011)
Anthony Gonzalez (2011)
Pierre Garcon (2011)
Austin Collie (2012)
Hank Baskett (2009)

Tight End
Dallas Clark (2013)
Gijon Robinson (2010)
Jacob Tamme (2011)

Offensive Line
Charlie Johnson (2009)
Ryan Lilja (2012)
Jeff Saturday (2011)
Mike Pollak (2011)
Ryan Diem (2011)
Tony Ugoh (2010)
Dan Federkeil (2009)
Jamey Richard (2011)
Kyle DeVan (2010)

Defensive End
Dwight Freeney (2012)
Robert Mathis (2011)
Raheem Brock (2010)
Keyunta Dawson (2010)

Defensive Tackle
Antonio Johnson (2009)
Eric Foster (2010)
Daniel Muir (2009)
Fili Moala (2012)

Linebacker
Clint Session (2010)
Gary Brackett (2009)
Tyjuan Hagler (2009)
Freddy Keiaho (2009)
Philip Wheeler (2011)
Ramon Humber (2011)

Cornerback
Kelvin Hayden (2013)
Jerraud Powers (2012)
Marlin Jackson (2009)
Jacob Lacey (2011)
Tim Jennings (2009)
TJ Rushing (2009)

Safety
Bob Sanders (2012)
Antoine Bethea (2009)
Melvin Bullitt (2009)
Jamie Silva (2010)
Aaron Francisco (2009)

Special Teams
Pat McAfee (2012)
Adam Vinatieri (2010)
Justin Snow (2012)
Matt Stover (2009)


2010 Free Agency

Restricted FA
Melvin Bullitt
Antonio Johnson
Dan Federkeil
Daniel Muir

Unrestricted FA who become RFA in uncapped 2010
Hank Baskett
Antoine Bethea
Tyjuan Hagler
Marlin Jackson
Charlie Johnson
Tim Jennings
Freddy Keiaho
TJ Rushing

Unrestricted FA
Gary Brackett
Aaron Francisco

UKfan
04-29-2008, 04:33 PM
Cutting Gandy would suck, I like him, and I think Roby has a chance over Garcon, but other than that, I like it.

Dam8610
04-29-2008, 05:03 PM
Bf51 has an awesome thread for the Bears, so I'll shrewdly swing from his nuts and copy the idea here.


Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Pierre Garcon

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark, Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Charlie Johnson, Jamey Richard

Defensive end (4) Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster, Darrell Reid

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing

Safety (6) Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren, Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri, Justin Snow, Hunter Smith


Notable cuts
RB Clifton Dawson
RB Kenton Keith
FB Luke Lawton
WR Courtney Roby
TE Bryan Fletcher
OL Dylan Gandy
OL Corey Hilliard
DE Jeff Charleston
LB Ramon Guzman
LB Victor Worsley
CB Keiwan Ratliff

I think the RB2 and RB3 might be flipped, though both could see a lot of PT (for backups) if both prove themselves capable. I also think the Colts will keep another OT, maybe Hilliard? I'd be shocked if Gandy got cut over Johnson or Richard. Also, more LBs will be kept.

tylerb929
04-29-2008, 05:08 PM
I think Roby has a chance over Garcon

I could see that based purely on the fact that Roby can't be on the practice squad and Garcon can.

Geo
04-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Some points:

1. I definitely didn't like only having 5 linebackers, they do need more and in all likelihood will have more. But keeping a special teams ace like Silva, who could potentially take over at FS after Bethea, was too tempting for me. And I wouldn't cut maybe the team's best ST coverage guy in Darrell Reid, even if he is making 927K this season. I also would have put Texas CB Brandon Foster in if I could just find a space.

2. No Fletcher or Gandy. I don't want to see either go ... but both guys are restricted free agents (signed to $927K as well) who are experienced in the offense, I thought going with the cheaper rookies might be the better way to go. I'd love to trade Gandy to KC or another team for a late 09 draft pick.

3. Charlie Johnson not cut? No, he has good experience at tackle and can/will play inside, can come in as a blocking TE in goal-line packages. He needs to be kept ... for now. I hated cutting Hilliard, btw. I hope he uses this offseason to show the Colts he's their future RT.

4. Garcon over Roby. I loved the addition of Roby this offseason, I think he can take advantage of this opportunity and potentially explode. Hopefully he finally blossoms, now that he is in right situation, and makes the roster ... but it sounds like the team sees something in Garcon, and maybe it's risky trying to get him on the practice squad. I really hope both guys make it a great battle all through camps and preseason.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2008, 06:08 PM
My nuts were definately made for swinging.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2008, 06:08 PM
Any chance the Colts take back Dominic Rhodes?

Geo
04-29-2008, 06:17 PM
John Clayton says they might if the price is right ... but I read it as more speculation from him, than anything substantial. I remember Dom Rhodes, just because Kenton Keith makes Dom Rhodes looks good doesn't mean Dom Rhodes is very good. He did his best coming off the bench, when starter Joseph Addai and the offense worn down opposing defenses a bit, in a Marion Barber role. High energy/fresh legs sort of thing, and I think he could/can still do that if the team did re-sign him. But I don't miss the guy being a servicable guy who will occassionally put the ball on the ground.

And I'd rather go with a tough, young runner like Simpson, who is very much like Rhodes, in the 5-9/215 mold with speed and can break some arm tackles running forward. Plus Simpson might be a kickoff return option, Polian couldn't help but mention him as a possibility there in today's presser.

But if a guy signs a cheap deal wanting to play with a contender, I can't say I wouldn't consider it.

Although honestly, I'd rather sign Rosie Colvin. I really hope the Colts sign him. And I'd love for Booger McFarland to heal up fully and the Colts sign him back, at a cheaper price.

RagingColt
04-29-2008, 07:26 PM
I think if that would be the final roster for us this year that we would have more on the field talent than what we had in 2006. As for Dom, he was a great role player, but I'd rather see some new guys in at backup RB.

MaxV
04-30-2008, 11:39 AM
My guess:

QB(2) - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

RB(4) - Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Kenton Keith

WR(6) - Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Pierre Garcon

TE(3) - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

OT(4) - Tony Ugoh , Ryan Diem , Michael Toudouze, Daniel Federkeil

OG(3) - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Dylan Gandy

OC(2) - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE(4) - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard

DT(6) - Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Darrell Reid, Colin Ferrell

LB(5) - Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session, Ramon Guzman

CB(6) - Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing

Safety(5) - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren

ST(3) - Adam Vinatieri, Hunter Smith, Justin Snow

UKfan
04-30-2008, 12:52 PM
I figure I'll give this a shot, even though I probably don't have as much knowledge as you guys

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Courteney Roby

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Charlie Johnson, Dylan Gandy

Defensive end (4) Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Curtis Johnson, Marcus Howard

Defensive tackle (5) Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster

Linebacker (6) Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session, Ramon Guzman

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, Brandon Foster

Safety (6) Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren, Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri, Justin Snow, Hunter Smith

Not much different to the 2 above, and obviously I stole Geo's format and just edited it a little to include who I wanted to.

MaxV
05-01-2008, 11:24 AM
I hope Charlie Johnson is released. I know he's athletic, but his strength is well below-average for NFL OL.

We now have several talented OLs that deserve a roster space more then Johnson.

UKfan
05-01-2008, 11:44 AM
I hope Charlie Johnson is released. I know he's athletic, but his strength is well below-average for NFL OL.

We now have several talented OLs that deserve a roster space more then Johnson.

I hope he is as well, but he's stuck around this long, I think he'll find a way onto the roster, maybe just for his versatility.

Geo
05-01-2008, 11:51 AM
The team knows he's awful at tackle, given how much they talk about him at guard. Granted he might be one of the softer RGs in the league, but then that wouldn't be any different than having Jake Scott before. Johnson has experience at both tackle spots, which could help the roster, and I think he might have been injured last year so let's hope he's much better this season.

I hope Corey Hilliard beats him out, I think he has a better chance to get it done at RG and RT.

MaxV
05-01-2008, 12:23 PM
I also hope that Federkeil makes the team.

He's one of the most athletic OLs on our roster (played as DE in CFL).

tylerb929
05-01-2008, 02:19 PM
Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.

MaxV
05-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.

Unless I'm mistaken, Johnson played as RT during the Super Bowl.

Geo
05-01-2008, 03:45 PM
Agreed, I do believe he stepped in for an injured Ryan Diem.

Hopefully Ryan Diem bounces back to have a good year, I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season with the Colts (otherwise), what with his salary increasing considering in the last few years of his current deal. And he's taken the mantle of stupid penalties, I'm pretty sure he had one against the Chargers that really hurt the team.

If the Colts spend a Day One pick on RT next year, then they'll have drafted (plus re-signing Lilja) their young, revamped OL in a three-year-period. An OL that can hopefully run-block and pass-block proficiently.

chad72
05-02-2008, 11:45 AM
I would just shift Charlie Johnson to the practice squad, put Dylan Gandy at OL and Curtis Johnson in at DE. Pierre Garcon is a project, in Polian's words. If he does not take over the KR role from T.J.Rushing, then he will be in the practice squad. If he does, I think T.J.Rushing will go to the practice squad. Here is my list, based on moving Dylan Gandy back for Charlie Johnson and Curtis Johnson back for Pierre Garcon. Besides, I feel there is no need for 6 WRs in the roster since we have enough TEs to run 2 TE plays more often.


Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (5) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Devin Aromashodu (24-'09)

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Dylan Gandy (OG), Jamey Richard

Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

Practice Squad (8)
WR Pierre Garcon
RB Kenton Keith
TE Bryan Fletcher
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Charlie Johnson
DE Jeff Charleston

tylerb929
05-02-2008, 12:05 PM
Practice Squad (8)
WR Pierre Garcon
RB Kenton Keith
TE Bryan Fletcher
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Charlie Johnson
DE Jeff Charleston

If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

Dam8610
05-02-2008, 03:49 PM
If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.

redviper311
05-03-2008, 12:41 PM
With the recent releases of Gandy, Fletcher and possible suspension of Marvin Harrison, Kenton Keith here is what my current pre-camp depth chart looks like.

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Sam Giguere, Pierre Garcon

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (5) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Charlie Johnson, Steve Justice

Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Jeff Charleston

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

Practice Squad (6)

RB Kenton Keith
WR Devin Aromashodu
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Jamey Richard

tylerb929
05-03-2008, 12:49 PM
It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.


After noon EST on September 2nd, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents.The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) and who did not dress for more than eight (8) regular season games during their only accrued (i.e., on the 53 man roster for at least 6 games) season. Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Aigher salary can be negotiated. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player's former club but it generally must keep the player on the 53 man roster for at least 3 weeks, thereby mandating that he earns in 2007 the minimum first year salary for said 3 week period ($285,000 prorated weekly). Also note that a team can add and release players from the practice squad as often as it desires and the eight (8) man limit does not have to be maintained. A player may be on the practice squad for two seasons; three weeks on the practice squad count as a season. An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season

Here are the rules for the practice squad.

Dam8610
05-03-2008, 07:47 PM
Thanks for that tyler, I see the 3 years part now (part about a player having been on a practice squad with the same team and the team having 53 players...applies to guys like John Standeford in the past).

Anyway, no one has yet attempted to address the 2nd part of what this thread is about. What are the current team needs? Honestly looking at the roster, the only thing I see missing that I'd really like added is a dominant 3-tech, ala a Warren Sapp or Tommie Harris (who, incidentally, could be a FA at season's end). Looking at the contract situations, it's looking like DB is the next biggest need, that is if the RB situation pans. Is there anything I'm missing here?

MaxV
05-04-2008, 09:00 AM
Dam, I agree completely with 3-tech UT. I've been saying that for awhile.

redviper311
05-04-2008, 09:18 AM
I really think Quinn Pitcock can be that guy for us at the 3-tech UT if he works at it. But I think a hard hitting LB that can stop the run like a Rob Morris is the biggest concern right now, next would be Harrison's future replacment, and finally the QB of the future to groom behind Peyton cause we all know its not Sorgi. The 49ers were succesfully cause they groom that QB in behind Montana before it was to late.

Geo
05-04-2008, 11:43 AM
I think right tackle might be the biggest need, and could possibly be addressed in the 1st round next year in a very strong/big OL class, but defensive tackle also needs to be addressed with Darrell Reid being a free agent and next year's DT class looking good right now.

DT Vance Walker (no official numbers yet but somewhere around 6-2/285) of Georgia Tech seems like a very good candidate. He really burst out in his first season as a starter last year (45 tackles, 14 TFL, 8.5 sacks, 3 FFs), he seems suited as a pass rusher who can also do a solid job against the run. I later discovered McShay of ESPN had him going to the Colts in his early 09 mock, heh, he actually made a good pick.

But RT is a need, Diem's tenure with the Colts could end next offseason, and the Colts need to draft RT to complete their younger and superior OL of the future. Thankfully there look to be some really good prospects for the position, Big Ten guys especially.

Maybe WR is a consideration, depending on how the young guys (Aromashodu, Hall, Garcon, and Giguere) look. Derrick Williams of Penn State might not go high, I've always kind of liked him, and he might provide return capability as well.

MaxV
05-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Well, Derick Williams is certainly talented.

But as of right now, his biggest weakness is what Bill Polian values the most in WR prospects, route running.

Geo
05-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Out of curiosity, would you say Deon Butler is the better receiver?

Geo
05-04-2008, 02:17 PM
Also, another big need for the Colts next offseason is a bigger DE who can play run downs. Josh Thomas was re-signed for 08, allowing the Colts to address that position/role in next year's Draft.

Dam8610
05-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Well, Derick Williams is certainly talented.

But as of right now, his biggest weakness is what Bill Polian values the most in WR prospects, route running.

Aromashodu's biggest knock coming into the league was route running, and look where he was last season. I think Marvin and Reggie could help a young receiver along tremendously in that aspect of their game.

Geo
05-04-2008, 04:17 PM
Aromashodu is coming into his third year as a pro and with the Colts (he was a fixture all season on the practice squad in 2006), hopefully he's ready to break out. If Harrison is eased into the season or faces some sort of suspension, who knows, maybe that opens up an opportunity for Devin.

MaxV
05-04-2008, 08:11 PM
Out of curiosity, would you say Deon Butler is the better receiver?

He was better in college, but he's not as talented as Williams.

Butler has good speed, great hands and solid route running, but at 5'-9" 165lbs he's tiny.

chad72
05-05-2008, 07:46 AM
If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction:) .

Bryan Fletcher and Dylan Gandy got released. A lot of us would like Kenton Keith gone:) . So that takes three out of the picture, most likely. Last year DeDe Dorsey was beaten by both KK and Dawson out of the backup RB job. This year, I am hoping that Mike Hart and Chad Simpson do the same. But I still believe KK will be there for his run-the-clock-run-only capabilities.

My updated depth chart would now be:

QB(2) - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

RB(3) - Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Kenton Keith

WR(6) - Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Pierre Garcon

TE(3) - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

OT(4) - Tony Ugoh , Ryan Diem , Michael Toudouze, Charlie Johnson

OG(3) - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard

OC(2) - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE(5) - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

DT(6) - Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Darrell Reid, Eric Foster

LB(5) - Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session

CB(6) - Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing

Safety(5) - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Jamie Silva

ST(3) - Adam Vinatieri, Hunter Smith, Justin Snow

MaxV
05-05-2008, 10:08 AM
DeDe was beaten by Kenton Keith, not Dawson.

They released by 3D and Dawson and kept KK and Lawton. Then later in the season, they added Dawson, because 3D made the Bengals team.

We should've kept 3D. He's better then KK.

tylerb929
05-05-2008, 07:33 PM
DD was cut because he had a turf toe injury in one of the last preseason games, so he was gonna miss 4 or 5 weeks. They figured they couldn't wait that long, so they cut him. I'm not really sure that Keith beat him out, it may have been just the fact that we need a #2 RB for the first few weeks.

MaxV
05-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Talking about PSU prospects, I'm VERY high on DT Jared Odrick.

He's 6'-5" 295lbs with excellent athleticism for his size. He could be a great fit as either DE in the 3-4 system or 3-tech UT in 1-gap 4-3.

He will be a Junior next season, so he might not enter the next draft. He also suffered a season-ending hand injury last year, which could be a red flag.

Still, I wouldn't mind it at all if he winds up in Colts' uniform.

PSU's other starting DT, Chris Baker, is very similar to our own Big Ed Johnson, both in terms of ability and off-field problems.

Dam8610
05-07-2008, 04:56 AM
DD was cut because he had a turf toe injury in one of the last preseason games, so he was gonna miss 4 or 5 weeks. They figured they couldn't wait that long, so they cut him. I'm not really sure that Keith beat him out, it may have been just the fact that we need a #2 RB for the first few weeks.

Did you go to camp? If you think Keith's hands were bad, you should've seen Dorsey's. I don't remember ever seeing him catch a ball during any drill.

Geo
05-20-2008, 01:37 PM
Roy Hall, beast that he is, is reportedly looking good in camp. Position-wise, he says he's seeing a little slot work, but primarily is the #2 split end to Reggie Wayne and learning from the great pro. (http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_139232526.html?keyword=topstory)

Also, I dropped Jamie Silva for Ramon Guzman in my proj depth chart. I never liked having only 5 LBs, and hope the Colts can keep Silva on the practice squad for a year until Giordano leaves in FA next summer.

MaxV
05-30-2008, 09:15 AM
Gijon Robinson likes being known as "blocking TE". (http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=5d4a5ce7-ec78-4fd0-8369-6704906f8935)

Geo
05-30-2008, 12:27 PM
I love the draft picks of Tamme and Santi (especially), so Robinson may be the odd man out. Although I respect his desire to compete and especially to make it as a blocking tight end, I think there's something to wanting to put an opponent on his ass on every play if he can. 255 lbs, he might be able to play some fullback and special teams too, which can help Gijon's cause.

Reading that article right now, Dungy praises Gijon's blocking and says that is his strong suit anyways, the development rests more on him as a receiving option. Good to hear.

Speaking of fullback, did you guys read the Luke Lawton article on Colts.com (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=745ff915-b186-4481-af9e-3b08c62dc234)? Says he trying to get lighter by going down to 225-230 lbs. or thereabouts, to be a quicker back (he mentions running routes specifically) and special teamer. It's interesting, and could be a good move.

Geo
06-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Looks like we've got some fans out there, boys. (http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/6/8/548212/updated-colts-2008-roster) :D :D :D

I always find it funny when what we brew here trickles down the internet.

*****

I was thinking of Eric Foster: even though he was undrafted, he's a perfect fit imo and I don't think I'd leave him off the roster at all. Even if it meant having to cut someone else, like say Darrell Reid. Really looking forward to seeing him play in the preseason.

Although if he does well and wins a roster spot, does that move Keyunta Dawson to DE? That could help Freeney on first and second downs, if Dawson saw some of those snaps.

Also, speaking on the DL, really looking forward to seeing Marcus Howard. If he gets enough snaps, he might be a pass-rushing terror. With a big year, like say Mark Anderson two years ago with the Bears (we'd all love to see it hopefully), he might be a sleeper DROY candidate.

Geo
06-17-2008, 10:44 AM
http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=8497055&nav=menu32_6_3

Colts trim 5 players from roster

Associated Press - June 16, 2008 1:34 PM ET

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Kicker Shane Andrus' annual tryout with the Indianapolis Colts has ended earlier than usual.

Andrus signed with the Colts for the third straight year in April but was 1 of 5 players released Monday, along with punter Chad Stanley, running back Justise Hairston, defensive tackle Dan Davis and center Pat Ross.

Andrus also was with the Colts in 2006 and 2007 but lasted until training camp both times. He signed with New York in January but was waived in February after the Super Bowl win over New England, and rejoined Indianapolis two weeks later.

The Colts open camp in Terre Haute on July 24.
Andrus needs to stick with a roster, he can play. A few teams should definitely give him a call.

Too bad about Hairston, I was hopeful about his prospects and looking forward to seeing him in the preseason.

Geo
07-21-2008, 05:54 PM
Let's Geo: Ryan Diem

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03mxddseyGfnG/610x.jpg

Ryan Diem is easily the biggest player on the Colts' entire roster at 6' 6" and 320 lbs., who turned 29 years old the first of July this year. He normally gives the Colts' offensive line some run-mauling ability, and does a solid job in pass protection for a right tackle.

Diem can be an above average if not good right tackle when healthy, but he has been a bit dinged up the last few years. He hasn't started all 16 games since the 2004 season, last year he started only 10 games and missed the last 6 games of the season thanks to a knee injury. However let it be said that despite injuries suffered around the end of the regular season the last few years, Diem has never missed a postseason start in his career which began with the 2001 season.

Unfortunately, he currently has a penchant for one (sometimes boneheaded/costly) penalty every game it seems. Perhaps he took the mantle for that auspicious role from recently-retired Tarik Glenn.

In February 2005, the Colts signed Diem to a 7-year, $36M contract with around 12M guaranteed. So he is currently signed through 2011. Assuming the salary breakdowns at Coltscap.net (http://www.coltscap.net/diem.php) are correct ...


Here are the Colts' options
If the Colts cut Diem after this '08 season, cap-wise they are on the hook for 3.4M in remaining bonus money. Specifically 2.3M in '09 and 1.1M in '10.

If the Colts keep Diem for the '09 season, they still pay the 3.4M, but also will get another year of Diem starting at his '09 base salary of 3.75M.

If the Colts cut Diem after the '09 season, they will be on the hook for 1.1M remaining that season and nothing afterwards. However if they keep Diem for the '10 season, they get another year of him starting at his '10 base salary of 3.85M.

Diem's final season ('11) has no allocated bonus money remaining, however a base salary of 5.4M.

cut Diem | Colts pay (cap-wise)
after | 2009 2010 2011
2008 2.3 1.1 0
2009 6.05 1.1 0
2010 6.05 4.95 0
2011* 6.05 4.95 5.4

*Diem's contract runs through 2011.


Summary

Keeping Diem through '09 is probably reasonable. Maybe 2010 too if he is playing well and staying reasonable healthy, although it could very well be more prudent at that point to pay him 1.1M as a released player and use the 3.85M elsewhere on the roster.

Geo
08-14-2008, 05:59 PM
Updated to reflect Michael Coe going on injured reserve, which probably opens up a roster spot for veteran corner Keiwan Ratliff to make the team.

I like wide receiver Devin Aromashodu, but I think tight end Gijon Robinson could get the nod over him. I feel comfortable going into the season with five wide receivers, which is really six if you count Dallas Clark and maybe seven with Tamme.

TimD
08-16-2008, 09:49 AM
Hey guys I just drafted Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez for my fantasy team ($ league). I was wondering when Harrison is coming back and if Peyton is definitely okay for the season. Wayne is starting with Fitzgerald, and Gonzalez is my 3rd WR. How do you think they'll do for me?

Dam8610
08-16-2008, 03:23 PM
Hey guys I just drafted Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez for my fantasy team ($ league). I was wondering when Harrison is coming back and if Peyton is definitely okay for the season. Wayne is starting with Fitzgerald, and Gonzalez is my 3rd WR. How do you think they'll do for me?

Marvin is back, so Gonzo will go back to the slot. As for Peyton, all reports are he should be a go within the week, so no worries there. Wayne should put up numbers similar to last year with Gonzo putting up better numbers than his rookie year, I think he'll see the field more this year.

Geo
08-26-2008, 02:17 PM
1. Rushing is placed on IR thanks to a knee injury, bummer. Only five defensive backs leaves me leery somewhat, six is better. But that would mean promoting rookie Brandon Foster to the 53-man roster, I don't think he's shown enough for that. Maybe this opens the door for someone released by another team in final roster cuts (Jason David included?).

2. Is it just me, or do the Colts have some pretty good depth defensive ends to choose from: Josh Thomas, Jeff Charleston, Curtis Johnson, and Ben Ishola? Going to be very tough to cut at least two of those guys, if not three.

3. Colts NEED a sixth linebacker to start the season, until Tyjuan Hagler can fill that role mid-season when he's off the PUP list. Freddy Keiaho is injured yet again, and Philip Wheeler might not be fully recovered for the start of the season. Ramon Guzman can't be the only back-up able to play. I like some of what I've seen from Kyle Shotwell and Jordan Senn this preseason, but I give the nod to Victor Worlsey. He's in his second year with the Colts, and has experience at MLB which is a plus.

Dam8610
08-26-2008, 02:55 PM
It's Jordan Senn. Hasn't he been playing first team reps at WLB? I remember him doing that against Buffalo (could be wrong though, not 100% on that), that leads me to believe he has a shot at a roster spot.

Geo
08-27-2008, 02:33 PM
Hahaha.

Now it's not just every Colts blogger, the newspaper bloggers are swinging from our nuts too (http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2008/08/choose_the_lucky_13.html).

It never ceases to amaze me how much I post here trickles down the internet. I'm almost flattered, if the plagiarism wasn't so damn blatant in some cases.

Geo
08-29-2008, 01:06 AM
Alright, final cuts are coming this weekend, so post your final rosters before then if you can/want. I edited mine on the first post. Notable changes:

- No #3 quarterback. Both Gray and Lorenzen aren't looking too hot, and Peyton could be good to go with Sorgi healed behind him. I still like Gray a great deal though as a potential quarterback in this league, imo he could develop into a good starter for a number of teams nevermind a great #2 behind Peyton.

- Lilja not on PUP. It could happen, he hasn't been taken off the preseason PUP to practice yet, but it's a big step to keep him sidelined until Week 7 at the earliest. Dan Federkeil would probably get a spot on the roster if Lilja is placed on PUP.

- Courtney Roby as a sixth wide receiver. He'll be active on gamedays as the #1 kickoff and punt return man, as a gunner on special teams, and as the #5 receiver in case of injury and to spell Harrison on deep routes.

- Tom Santi makes the roster. He played today for the first time, and reportedly hurt a knee a bit (unknown if same knee recovering from bursa sac infection/removal). Very possible the Colts cut him and hope to place him on the practice squad. I still like Santi a great deal, the potential he can bring, however. Plus Dallas Clark hasn't played a full 16-game season yet in his career, Gijon Robinson is unproven and a little inconsistent as a blocker, and Tamme even moreso in that latter regard.

- Jordan Senn as the sixth linebacker. Worsley sprained his knee today, which sucks for him obviously, as the Colts need another healthy depth linebacker until Hagler comes off PUP during the season. Senn has showed promise and can back-up Keiaho, as Wheeler is behind Brackett and Guzman is behind Session.

Geo
08-29-2008, 08:08 PM
The Chicago Bears have reportedly waived a former 2007 3rd round pick in linebacker Michael Okwo. I don't know if health is a concern, he should be recovered fully from the shoulder injury that put him on IR for his rookie season, he's played in the preseason. I'd love for the Colts to be able to claim him and give him a shot at backing up Freddy Keiaho at WLB.



*UPDATE*
Bill Polian said on Colts Friday Night that the doctors have told him there's no chance Saturday, Lilja, and Pollak will play the season opener against the Bears. They will require more time to recover. So I think it only makes sense for Lilja to be placed on PUP, the Colts can't afford to keep three injured lineman for the first few weeks of the season, and it's much better to put Lilja on PUP for the first six weeks than put either Saturday or Pollak on IR.

themaninblack
08-29-2008, 09:48 PM
How has Pierre Garcon looked for the Colts thus far? Is he gonna make the team?

MaxV
08-29-2008, 09:53 PM
The Chicago Bears have reportedly waived a former 2007 3rd round pick in linebacker Michael Okwo. I don't know if health is a concern, he should be recovered fully from the shoulder injury that put him on IR for his rookie season, he's played in the preseason. I'd love for the Colts to be able to claim him and give him a shot at backing up Freddy Keiaho at WLB.



*UPDATE*
Bill Polian said on Colts Friday Night that the doctors have told him there's no chance Saturday, Lilja, and Pollak will play the season opener against the Bears. They will require more time to recover. So I think it only makes sense for Lilja to be placed on PUP, the Colts can't afford to keep three injured lineman for the first few weeks of the season, and it's much better to put Lilja on PUP for the first six weeks than put either Saturday or Pollak on IR.

Our young guys will have prove themselves early. I hope they run with this opportunity.

MaxV
08-29-2008, 09:57 PM
How has Pierre Garcon looked for the Colts thus far? Is he gonna make the team?

He has shown flashes.

He faces very stiff competition for the roster spot.

- Harrison, Wayne and Gonzalez are set.
- Roby and Aromashadu made a great impression during the pre-season.
- Roy Hall is as physically gifted of an athlete as it gets.

I guess there is a shot that Colts bring 7 WRs, but it's unlikely, especially considering other positions are getting hit hard by injuries.

Dam8610
08-29-2008, 10:02 PM
Our young guys will have prove themselves early. I hope they run with this opportunity.

Manning said Jamey Richard is going to be the starting C against the Bears. Not at all our ideal scenario.

Geo
08-30-2008, 12:18 AM
I'm not sure Manning said that outright, I think reports are that Manning outright said he's been practicing with Richard extra/more and Manning thinks Richard is the guy.

It makes sense, really. I don't know how much work Richard has done at guard, but he's definitely the most comfortable at center. So I'd rather have Justice play left guard. With Charlie Johnson at right guard, of course.

Geo
08-30-2008, 11:52 AM
Pierre Garcon has looked stellar as a receiver imo, I love what I've seen of him. As a return man, nothing special from what I can recall. He looks like an early/mid second round pick as opposed to a late sixth. What a gem.

The Colts could risk waiving him and trying to put him on the practice squad, but I dearly hope not because I wouldn't want to risk it at all. Garcon and Hall go nowhere for me, I emphatically hang onto both.

And Roby has looked good as a return man, a special team gunner according to Coach Dungy, and as an occasional deep threat. I think he can develop in the Colts offense further.

Devin Aromashodu looks like the odd man out, unfortunately. I like him, but six wide receivers is as far as one can go. The Bengals could definitely give him a look, he can be a deep threat (as he was in college) and catch the ball well. Has height on him too at around 6-2.5/200.

MaxV
08-30-2008, 11:56 AM
I'd rather hold on to Aromashodu. Just like Hall, he's a physical freak also.

Damn, this is a tough decision.

Before this last game, Roby was the odd man out for me, but not anymore.

Geo
08-30-2008, 11:59 AM
Garcon looks like a future starter, I love his game. He can do it all, especially run-blocking where he attacks people.

I can see Garcon lining up in Wayne's spot and Wayne taking Harrison's spot on the right side in the future.

UKfan
08-30-2008, 12:13 PM
This might be heresey, especially as unfortunately I have not been able to see the preseason, but could Roy Hall's spot be in jeopardy? Outside of his physical gifts, he's not had a stellar preseason has he?

Geo
08-30-2008, 12:15 PM
Hall might never be more than the #4 receiver, but he can easily be among the best special teams players on the team. I would keep him for that alone and see what he can contribute in multiple receiver sets (try him out in goalline packages too?).

Now, if Roy can't stay healthy this year too, that won't help his chances at all.

bearsfan_51
08-30-2008, 12:18 PM
The Colts don't have a fullback?

Geo
08-30-2008, 12:21 PM
Single-back offense.

But there is a fullback in defensive lineman Darrell Reid, he can do it and might a handful of times this season. Also in all likelihood the best special teams coverage guy on the team, and a free agent after this season.

MaxV
08-30-2008, 12:24 PM
Colts have acctually been trying Mike Hart at FB as well.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 12:31 PM
The Colts don't have a fullback?

They do. Take your pick of Darrell Reid, Jacob Tamme, Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi, and/or Mike Hart.

Geo
08-30-2008, 03:37 PM
It's not official until tomorrow, but ...

The Colts sign wide receiver Samuel Giguere to the practice squad. (http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/2008/08/30/giguere_colts_trainingcamp/)

Great to hear, I wasn't sure if the PS would pay him enough to keep him from going back to the CFL and playing under his first-round contract there. He's raw, but has serious potential so much so that receivers coach Clyde Christensen was in his ear all camp.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 03:55 PM
Any news on any cuts? I've been looking all day.

Geo
08-30-2008, 03:58 PM
Not that I can see hide nor hair of either.

The team is probably going to wait until the deadline, so that other coaching staffs have less time to convince themselves and the front offices to add those players.

UKfan
08-30-2008, 04:02 PM
Yeah I haven't spotted anything either, it's annoying lol.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Well, the Turk stopped by, here's the final roster:

63 Saturday, Jeff C
53 Justice, Steve C
41 Bethea, Antoine DB
23 Jennings, Tim DB
31 Ratliff, Keiwan DB
28 Jackson, Marlin DB
21 Sanders, Bob DB
26 Hayden, Kelvin DB
43 Giordano, Matt DB
20 Hughes, Dante DB
40 Silva, Jamie DB
33 Bullitt, Melvin DB
60 Johnson, Curtis DE
92 Howard, Marcus DE
91 Thomas, Josh DE
93 Freeney, Dwight DE
98 Mathis, Robert DE
79 Brock, Raheem DT
95 Reid, Darrell DT
96 Dawson, Keyunta DT
68 Foster, Eric DT
99 Johnson, Ed DT
04 Vinatieri, Adam K
56 Hagler, Tyjuan LB
50 Wheeler, Philip LB
55 Session, Clint LB
52 Guzman, Ramon LB
54 Keiaho, Freddy LB
58 Brackett, Gary LB
49 Senn, Jordan LB
61 Richard, Jamey OG
78 Pollak, Mike OG
65 Lilja, Ryan OG
74 Johnson, Charlie OT
71 Diem, Ryan OT
76 Federkeil, Daniel OT
67 Ugoh, Tony OT
72 Hilliard, Corey OT
17 Smith, Hunter P
18 Manning, Peyton QB
12 Sorgi, Jim QB
29 Addai, Joseph RB
38 Rhodes, Dominic RB
32 Hart, Mike RB
86 Santi, Tom TE
48 Snow, Justin TE
44 Clark, Dallas TE
84 Tamme, Jacob TE
47 Robinson, Gijon TE
11 Gonzalez, Anthony WR
87 Wayne, Reggie WR
88 Harrison, Marvin WR
85 Garcon, Pierre WR
83 Hall, Roy WR
10 Roby, Courtney WR

There's 55 there, but Lilja and Hagler are PUP'd

Geo
08-30-2008, 06:10 PM
Tell me if I'm missing something:

OT: Corey Hilliard made it over Michael Toudouze.
DL: Curtis Johnson made it over Colin Ferrell.
S: Jamie Silva made it over Brannon Condren.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 06:15 PM
Tell me if I'm missing something:

OT: Corey Hilliard made it over Michael Toudouze.
DL: Curtis Johnson made it over Colin Ferrell.
S: Jamie Silva made it over Brannon Condren.

If by Colin Ferrell you mean Jeff Charleston. You missed Roby over Aromashodu, Rhodes over Keith, Hart over Dawson, and Senn over Worsley (w00t! I was hoping Senn would make the roster). That's all I can see.

Geo
08-30-2008, 06:17 PM
I had those correctly beforehand, but certainly there were a few battles at some positions.

Somewhat surprised to see Condren go, I think he looked okay and had potential, but Silva seems as much so if not more. Silva could be the better player on both defense and special teams, and is younger.

Hilliard can play some guard as well. I like Toudouze though.

And I liked Colin Ferrell, but maybe he didn't show enough to the coaches. To be fair, he was more thought of being kept because of the DT position itself mainly than BPA.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 06:36 PM
I had those correctly beforehand, but certainly there were a few battles at some positions.

Oh, I thought you meant people who made the 2008 roster over people who were on the 2007 roster, my bad.

Dam8610
08-30-2008, 06:40 PM
Anyone think it would be worthwhile to bring Montae Reagor in for a look? I'd think he could be added at the expense of Josh Thomas if he has anything left.

Geo
08-31-2008, 12:26 AM
I'd pass on Reagor, I think.

First off, he had arthroscopic knee surgery two weeks or so ago, which led to an injury settlement with the Eagles (curious that his name is being mentioned with the deadline releases). He'll probably recover in two or three weeks, but still. It's a young man's game inside, I would rather just promote Colin Ferrell from the practice squad (hopefully they sign him).

Both Reagor and Larry Tripplett are available, but their time with the Colts is probably in the past as is the case with Josh Williams. Those days are past. And I remember the Colts defense with Reagor, it wasn't anything to write home about.

If there's one veteran tackle I would like to bring back, it would be Booger McFarland, but who knows where he's at in his recovery from a major knee injury suffered last summer.

But there's a number of tackles who might be worth looking into, some young guys who haven't been able to stick with a roster. Keith Jackson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/6659.html), Jeremy Clark (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/3088.html), Antonio Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/43952.html) are all guys from the '07 Draft who were cut, for example. Perhaps one of them could add some good size and effort inside.

MaxV
08-31-2008, 09:18 AM
Jaime Silva????

UGH, he's too slow.

I wanted Condren on the team.

UKfan
08-31-2008, 09:20 AM
Is Silva good on special teams? Tbh I didn't see much of him at all.

MaxV
08-31-2008, 09:37 AM
I'm not going to knock Bill's and Tony's decisions too much. These 2 forgot more about football then I've ever known.

There were a lot of good players in camp this year and it was clear that someone wasn't going to make it.

The guys that I'm sorry to see go are Devin Aromashodu, Colin Ferrel (P.S. please), Brannon Condren, Chad Simpson (P.S. please) and Michael Toudouze.

While among those that made it, the only beef I have is with Silva. I just think his upside is too limited but if he is as great on ST as advertised then he would certainly be a welcome addition.

MaxV
08-31-2008, 09:55 AM
Here's the depth chart:

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=depth

UKfan
08-31-2008, 09:57 AM
Keyunta Dawson as starting DT, yuck! Move Brock back over to DT and start Thomas or Mathis at end. I'm really worried about our Run D this year, we need Dawson to step it up HUGE or the Big Cat to be even more dominating.

MaxV
08-31-2008, 09:59 AM
I'm hoping Foster is the answer.

UKfan
08-31-2008, 09:59 AM
I'd like him to be as well, anyone but Dawson from what I have seen.

Geo
08-31-2008, 04:31 PM
The Colts claimed former Packers defensive tackle Daniel Muir off waivers. (http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/08/31/no-claims.aspx) Muir is listed at 6-2/298, and is decribed by Rotoworld as an interior pass rusher. The Packers like their defensive tackles to be a little heavier than that listed 298, but maybe he could be a better fit for the Colts.

So who gets released to make a spot for Muir? My guess is defensive end Curtis Johnson. Maybe the Colts, in cunning fashion, waited to waive him now after rosters and practice squads have been filled so that they can get him on their own practice squad. But we'll find out soon who it really is.


*****

The Rams claimed former Colts safety Brannon Condren. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/20AAA130B8E6A43B862574B6006948EF?OpenDocument) Good for Condren, he was bound to be picked up because he can be a good #3 or #4 safety elsewhere. The Colts are deep at safety though, Melvin Bullitt is a fantastic depth guy and Jamie Silva looks to follow his UDFA stead.

UKfan
08-31-2008, 04:39 PM
hmmm, Muir sounds like a decent fit, I'm reasonably optimistic about that pickup, as long as it wont be at the expense of Foster.

Geo
08-31-2008, 04:42 PM
I'd sooner cut Jordan Senn that our (and scottyboy's!) beloved new Colts player Eric Foster.

I wonder if anyone will claim linebacker Michael Okwo.

Geo
08-31-2008, 05:05 PM
Anybody see my barrel? Is that- no wait, that's just Daniel Muir's upper body (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/DanielMuir1.jpg)
Look at that panther-like agility (http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w30/img.282186_t.jpg)
Yet still kind to old people (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/DanielMuir2.jpg)

I can't wait to see him in action.

UKfan
08-31-2008, 05:43 PM
Two of the pics don't work for me Geo :S

Geo
08-31-2008, 05:49 PM
Okay, hopefully they work now.

Dam8610
08-31-2008, 06:04 PM
Jaime Silva????

UGH, he's too slow.

I wanted Condren on the team.

Silva outplayed Condren in every aspect this preseason. Condren was tentative, Silva was aggressive, Condren would sit back in coverage, Silva would deliver the hit on arrival of the ball. Condren never has made a play that I've seen on STs, Silva was all over the place on STs. Granted, it's preseason, but you can tell that you're going to get a lot more from Jamie Silva than you are from Brannon Condren. Remember that John Lynch ran a 4.7 40, slow guys can work in this defense if they're instinctive and aggressive.

Is Silva good on special teams? Tbh I didn't see much of him at all.

Silva was excellent on both D and ST. He nearly blocked a punt at least once (I want to say twice), and he was a part of the vastly improved kick coverage units the team has displayed in the preseason. I can't say I wouldn't be the slightest bit afraid of kicking it to Devin Hester, but I'm a lot less worried about it for the opener next Sunday than I was for Super Bowl XLI.

I'd sooner cut Jordan Senn that our (and scottyboy's!) beloved new Colts player Eric Foster.

I wonder if anyone will claim linebacker Michael Okwo.

I'd sooner cut Josh Thomas than anyone else to get Muir on the roster.

Geo
08-31-2008, 06:10 PM
Silva was noted as being a special teams maven coming out of Boston College, if I recall. I know some Colts fans are ticked to see Condren go, and for whatever insane reason a few think he's better than Bullitt, but I'm not sad to see Silva out-play him and warrant a spot. We knew Silva would make a case for himself, UDFA or not, he's legit.

The Colts have to be an ideal team for UDFAs, they give as good a shot for them as any other team in the league if not moreso. Even if they outperform draft picks in some cases. Pitcock didn't work ultimately out, but the Colts got Ed Johnson that same year. Condren didn't work out, but the Colts got Bullitt and Silva. Good stuff.

Geo
08-31-2008, 06:26 PM
I know it sounds insane but I have a really good gut feeling about Muir. Even moreso than when the Colts signed Roby in the offseason. A hunch tells me he's going to come at this hungry and it will work out well, he's going to stick.

Geo
08-31-2008, 07:15 PM
The Colts have claimed linebacker Buster Davis, of the Detroit Lions and former 2007 third round pick of the Arizona Cardinals. (http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/08/31/more-moves-coming/)

MaxV
08-31-2008, 09:46 PM
I remember Buster Davis. Many on this board though he would be a 1st rounder.

He was obviously overrated, but perhaps he can still make a career for himself in Indy.

I hope Muir shows will be positive addition to our DT rotation.

We'll have to make 2 cuts. Who?

Geo
08-31-2008, 10:37 PM
He was considered a 1st rounder by Scott at one point, similar to Pitcock that same season. Of course the customary tradition is to give the Colts every linebacker in the first round every year. :p

My guesses for cuts are Jordan Senn and Curtis Johnson. Both guys to be signed to the practice squad if possible, Johnson might be a bit of a risk as a talented pass rusher.

As for Davis, I don't think it's a bad move. I wonder if he'll stick though.

MaxV
08-31-2008, 10:44 PM
I keep hearing that Daniel Federkeil's name being mentioned as a possible cut. I'm not sure we can afford to cut a OL, with all the injuries.

I like Jordan Seen, but if it's between him and Curtis Johnson, I'd choose to keep CuJO.

Geo
08-31-2008, 10:53 PM
If the Colts were to cut Federkeil, that would leave Corey Hilliard alone as the only healthy offensive lineman who isn't starting against the Bears. Very risky. Usually seven offensive linemen are active on gamedays.

Unless Pollak can be healthy enough to play Week 1, maybe.

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 03:21 AM
I remember Buster Davis. Many on this board though he would be a 1st rounder.

He was obviously overrated, but perhaps he can still make a career for himself in Indy.

I hope Muir shows will be positive addition to our DT rotation.

We'll have to make 2 cuts. Who?

Hopefully Josh Thomas and Buster Davis. Wishful thinking? Yes, but if those two are on the team, they will be the two worst players on the team.

GB12
09-01-2008, 03:34 AM
I remember Buster Davis. Many on this board though he would be a 1st rounder.
Are you sure you're not thinking of the WR? I don't remember anyone thinking the LB would be a first rounder.

MaxV
09-01-2008, 09:09 AM
Are you sure you're not thinking of the WR? I don't remember anyone thinking the LB would be a first rounder.

No, I'm talking about the right player, former Florida State star.

I believe even Scott had a 1st round grade on him. Buster was an explosive playmaker in college.

Obviously, his draft stock was overrated, but I believe he can play in the NFL.

Geo
09-01-2008, 09:43 AM
It was early on in the process, definitely before the Combine and probably the Senior Bowl too.

No one considered him a first round talent by April 2007.

I'm not crazy about adding him, but I don't hate the move. Senn can play on the practice squad, might as well see if Davis could make it. He'll probably get cut once Hagler is good to go. I would have rather they brought someone in with potentially higher upside, taken a chance on Okwo.

MaxV
09-01-2008, 11:02 AM
New Colts roster revealed.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/roster;jsessionid=F495A7487E2D33A669D535744ECA8307 ?d-447263-o=2&team=IND&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=persons.primary_Position.id.position_Id&d-447263-n=1

Muir and Davis are in, Silva and Guzman are out.

I like it.

MaxV
09-01-2008, 11:04 AM
Davis can do what Guzman did on ST, plus he is a better LB.

Silva would've probably have been good on ST, but his upside as DB is VERY limited.

Muir addition makes our depth at DT better.

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 11:38 AM
Are you sure you're not thinking of the WR? I don't remember anyone thinking the LB would be a first rounder.

After the Miami game a lot of people did. Then they realized that Miami was overhyped and he didn't perform as well the rest of the year, so he dropped.

New Colts roster revealed.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/roster;jsessionid=F495A7487E2D33A669D535744ECA8307 ?d-447263-o=2&team=IND&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=persons.primary_Position.id.position_Id&d-447263-n=1

Muir and Davis are in, Silva and Guzman are out.

I like it.

Silva out? Damn, I was hoping he'd stick. Hopefully he'll make the PS, he deserves a spot on this roster as a ST contributor at some point.

UKfan
09-01-2008, 11:43 AM
With Condren and Silva both out, safety depth doesn't look amazing...

Sanders, Bethea, Giordano and Bullitt are all I see, I guess Marlin could slide over if necessary...

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 12:01 PM
That's why I'm hoping Silva slides on to the PS.

UKfan
09-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Yeah that would be best, hope another team doesn't give him a look, he's a gamer.

MaxV
09-01-2008, 12:31 PM
Here's the roster, per NFL.com link

QB (2) - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi
RB (3) - Joseph Addai, Dominick Rhodes, Mike Hart
WR (6) - Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Pierre Garcon, Courtney Roby
TE (4) - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi
OL (9) - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Jeff Saturday, Charlie Johnson, Mike Pollak, Daniel Federkeil, Steven Justice, Jaime Richard, Corey Hilliard

DE (6) - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson
DT (5) - Ed Johnson, Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster, Darrell Reid, Daniel Muir
LB (6) - Freddy Keiaho, Gary Brackett, Philip Wheeler, Clint Session, Jordan Senn, Buster Davis
CB (5) - Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Tim Jennings, Dante Hughes, Keiwan Ratliff
DB (4) - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt

K (1) - Adam Vinatieri
P (1) - Hunter Smith
LS (1) - Justin Snow

http://www.nfl.com/teams/roster;jsessionid=9F88230EB47EE25F75AEB4E1BBFED7EC ?d-447263-o=2&team=IND&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=persons.primary_Position.id.position_Id&d-447263-n=1

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 01:09 PM
I'm wondering what the reserve guys mean. For example, Kenton Keith is listed as reserve, so I'm doubting these are PS guys, since Keith can't be eligible.

Geo
09-01-2008, 01:42 PM
I'm waiting for confirmation that Silva and Guzman are waived, honestly I don't believe it.

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 02:38 PM
I'm waiting for confirmation that Silva and Guzman are waived, honestly I don't believe it.

Look on NFL.com's roster page for the Colts, they're no longer listed.

Geo
09-01-2008, 03:12 PM
Colts.com has Muir (#90) and Davis (#52) added with Silva and Guzman no longer present (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=roster). So there's the confirmation I was looking for.

No mention of the practice squad though. Hopefully Silva can make it there, along with guys like Giguere, Chad Simpson, Colin Ferrell among others.

Dam8610
09-01-2008, 04:39 PM
Can Jordan Senn keep the #49? I thought LBs had to wear #s in the 50s or 90s.

MaxV
09-01-2008, 05:58 PM
Apparently Colts resigned Josh Betts and added him to PS.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/chickludwig/entries/2008/08/31/josh_betts_hes_baaack.html

I hope it's true, I liked him.

MaxV
09-02-2008, 10:02 AM
It's not official yet, but it appears that 6 of 8 PS players are now known.

The team made no announcement, but agents or the players themselves confirmed that six of the eight practice-squad positions have been filled: safety Jamie Silva, quarterback Josh Betts, running back Chad Simpson, offensive linemen Michael Toudouze and Tala Esera and wide receiver Sam Giguere.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080902/SPORTS03/809020331/1058/SPORTS03

I like this group. I hope Ishola is one of the other 2.

chad72
09-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Michael Toudouze did well last year at LT going against the likes of Merriman when he came in place of Ugoh in the Chargers game, I guess Howard Mudd saw something he did not like, I guess.

I guess he was first cut, then re-instated, thus making him eligible for the practice squad again, uh?

So, no matter how many years you have been on the practice squad, if you get cut, and then signed again, you are just like a first year player for the Colts, and become eligible for the practice squad, just like Josh Betts? Is that an accurate statement?

Geo
09-02-2008, 04:19 PM
There are rules to practice squad eligibility. If I remember correctly off the top of my head, the two big ones are that you can't be on the practice squad for more than three years (that was a recent change, before I think it was only two), and you can't be active on the 53-man roster for more than 9 games in a season.

If a team wants to sign a player from another team's practice squad, that can happen but the player must be placed on that team's 53-man roster. You can't sign a guy from another practice squad to be on your practice squad, it doesn't work that way.

As for the Colts, I really like that assembled-to-that-point practice squad.

MaxV
09-02-2008, 04:24 PM
BTW, Aromashodu is on Redskins PS. Just like last year, if one of our WRs gets hurt, they might add him to 53-man instead of bringing up Giguere.

Geo
09-02-2008, 04:27 PM
Interesting, it slipped my mind that Aromashodu would still be practice squad eligible. The Colts might have offered him a spot, but maybe he wanted to try his luck elsewhere and in this case with his former college quarterback in Jason Campbell.

Onrea Jones was signed to the Arizona Cardinals practice squad I read.

MaxV
09-03-2008, 07:00 PM
Official Practice Squad released. (http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=5954490c-8925-41a4-86af-0d4dd1df7f9b)


QB - Josh Betts
OT - Michael Toudouze
OT - Tala Esera
OT - Dane Uperesa
RB - Chad Simpson
WR - Sam Giguere
CB - Brandon Foster
DB - Jamie Silva

Geo
09-11-2008, 01:20 AM
So with Ed Johnson going to be waived, here are 5 defensive tackles I hope the Colts consider working out/signing in preferred order:

1. Jeremy Clark ('07 Draft) [Giants' PS]
2. Dre Moore ('08) [Bucs' PS]
3. Ogemdi Nwagbuo ('08)
4. Keith Jackson ('07)
5. Joe Cohen ('07)

Dam8610
09-11-2008, 02:02 AM
Can the Colts sign someone off another team's PS?

Geo
09-11-2008, 09:45 AM
Absolutely. The only provisions are that he must be signed to the 53-man roster and that he must be with the team for 3 weeks (I believe that is what it is).

If they want to sign someone to their practice squad, then they need to stick with the free agents (include Colin Ferrell to consider, I would think).

Geo
09-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Coach Dungy says the team has signed former Eagles defensive tackle Lajuan Ramsey. (http://www.colts.com/video/selectmediaflash.cfm?content=http://video.colts.com/video/24237/dungywrapup_2008-09-11-135240.flv&channel=dungy-daily-wrapup) Very glad to see that.


LaJuan Ramsey NFL player page (http://www.nfl.com/players/lajuanramsey/profile?id=RAM508610). Coach said he's already there and ready to practice.

Also, the Colts are likely to start Eric Foster alongside Keyunta Dawson. Makes more sense than starting Raheem Brock at NT, which is maybe the stupidest idea I've ever heard in my life.

News from yesterday, the Colts claimed runningback Justin Forsett after he was waived by the Seahawks. Love it, Forsett is a very good player. I can't believe the Colts ended up with both him and Mike Hart, at only the cost of a 6th round pick.

redviper311
09-18-2008, 10:17 AM
Coach Dungy says the team has signed former Eagles defensive tackle Lajuan Ramsey. (http://www.colts.com/video/selectmediaflash.cfm?content=http://video.colts.com/video/24237/dungywrapup_2008-09-11-135240.flv&channel=dungy-daily-wrapup) Very glad to see that.


LaJuan Ramsey NFL player page (http://www.nfl.com/players/lajuanramsey/profile?id=RAM508610). Coach said he's already there and ready to practice.

Also, the Colts are likely to start Eric Foster alongside Keyunta Dawson. Makes more sense than starting Raheem Brock at NT, which is maybe the stupidest idea I've ever heard in my life.

News from yesterday, the Colts claimed runningback Justin Forsett after he was waived by the Seahawks. Love it, Forsett is a very good player. I can't believe the Colts ended up with both him and Mike Hart, at only the cost of a 6th round pick.

Well the signing of Ramsey and Forsett look brillant after last weeks win at Minn. Forsett has huge up side and I would love to see him get some carries down the road. Could Forsett be that X-factor similar to Sporles for San Deigo, well that remains to be seen. So far so good.

chad72
09-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Well the signing of Ramsey and Forsett look brillant after last weeks win at Minn. Forsett has huge up side and I would love to see him get some carries down the road. Could Forsett be that X-factor similar to Sporles for San Deigo, well that remains to be seen. So far so good.


I just have a feeling Justin Forsett might take one to the house, kickoff or punt return, against the Jags this week. He just is so elusive in the open field in getting those few yards. If he gets a gap, he might be gone and I am hoping for that this weekend.

Geo
09-18-2008, 11:11 AM
They should be called the Big Little Beasties or something. :p

I think they could be the starting duo for the Colts, sharing the workload. So glad the Colts focused on improving the depth chart at runningback, a position they often neglected for so long.

As for the other new addition of LaJuan Ramsey, he certainly pops out on the field with his size and weight - especialy relative to the Colts. I think he might give the Colts what a, ahem, large Corey Simon did in '05. More of a run-stuffer.

Bill Polian said on his recent radio show that the Colts will give NT a strong look after this season, given the departures of Quinn Pitcock (boy I wished he stuck) and Ed Johnson. He specifically mentioned a weight around 290 lbs.

Hopefully Daniel Muir can play after the bye week, I want to see him in action.

redviper311
09-18-2008, 11:21 AM
Daniel Muir would be a great addition to the NT rotation on the line and could play UT on running downs with LaJuan Ramsey at NT. I can see that being a strong duo. First Muir has to get healthly enough to get the rotation going.

Has anyone seen Buster Davis in the line up yet at OLB?

MaxV
09-20-2008, 04:04 PM
Colts sign Silva to the active roster.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/SPORTS03/80920009/1100

Not yet sure who goes to make room.

Geo
09-20-2008, 04:39 PM
My pick would be either Buster Davis or Taylor Senn.

Glad to see Silva back. Him and Melvin Bullitt are a bright future for the Colts, some guy named Bob Sanders notwithstanding.

MaxV
09-20-2008, 06:09 PM
No, I'm sorry, but I don't think Silva is the future.

I might be able to see Bullitt, except he plays the same position as Bob.

Dam8610
09-21-2008, 10:50 AM
My pick would be either Buster Davis or Taylor Senn.

Glad to see Silva back. Him and Melvin Bullitt are a bright future for the Colts, some guy named Bob Sanders notwithstanding.

It's Jordan Senn, and I hope Buster Davis is the one whose cut. Looks like special teams just got better.

Silva and Bullitt the future for the Colts? Not as long as Bob Sanders has a chance of an NFL career. MAYBE Silva if he can develop some, he looked like a decent FS in preseason, but Bullitt would need to perform better than Bob while Bob is injured, or have Bob be unable to come back to be the future at SS.

Geo
09-21-2008, 08:02 PM
1. If you want to blame Bill Polian for the situation at defensive tackle, go ahead. And goodness knows I'm more than willing to place blame on Polian when it's deserved.

But it's not his fault Quinn Pitcock retired and Ed Johnson screwed up. The man had two tackles capable of playing against the run, and they left for whatever reason well after the Draft and free agency.

It's his fault the Colts didn't have a third tackle to do that, if you want to go there (and we don't know if Daniel Muir is that). Now it might be his job to find some available guys who can help the team if possible.


2. I don't know how feasible it is, but I would like to see the Colts re-sign both Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden. Maybe cutting old dead weight in Marvin Harrison and Raheem Brock could free up enough cap space.

I'd rather re-sign both corners than either Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, or Antoine Bethea. Those two young stud corners are worth it more imo.

Geo
09-22-2008, 05:50 PM
Keiwan Ratliff was the one to go, in light of the Colts promoting safety Jamie Silva from the practice squad.

Interesting that the Colts would decide to go with only four corners on the roster, although there is young Brandon Foster on the PS.

Geo
10-02-2008, 11:11 PM
http://www.tribstar.com/colts/local_story_275230953.html

Roster moves — Indianapolis has added cornerback Brandon Sumrall to the practice squad.

A rookie who played collegiately at Southern Mississippi, Sumrall was originally signed as an undrafted free agent by Minnesota in April. He was released by the Vikings on Aug. 30 and has since spent time on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ practice squad.

To make room for Sumrall, the Colts released tight end Issac Smolko, who had been signed Sept. 11.

Sumrall NFL.com draft profile (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brandon-sumrall?id=2315)

Geo
10-08-2008, 01:05 PM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081008/SPORTS03/810080364/1058/SPORTS03

Colts get help at cornerback, sign Graham
By Mike Chappell
October 8, 2008

The Indianapolis Colts reinforced their secondary Tuesday, likely because of an injury to starter Kelvin Hayden, but lost a kick returner.

The team signed cornerback Nick Graham and waived running back/kick returner Justin Forsett and offensive tackle Corey Hilliard.

Mark Slough, Graham's agent, said Graham was headed to St. Louis for a workout when the Colts signed him.

Graham appeared in 15 games with Philadelphia in 2007, almost exclusively on special teams, after being undrafted out of Tulsa.

Graham's addition comes after Hayden sustained a left knee injury in the second half of Sunday's game at Houston. He had a magnetic resonance imagining test on his knee Monday, but the team did not release the results.

Forsett averaged 22.5 yards on 11 kickoff returns and 9.0 yards on four punt returns in three games.

The moves leave the Colts with one spot on the 53-player roster.
Forsett didn't make any mistakes or errors, but wasn't much better than average as a return man either. I was worried he would get cut, and that was realized today. Shame, because he could bring a lot more to the table as a RB, but it seems we won't find that out with the Colts. :(

They still have an open roster spot, and they need a return man. Give the nod to someone on the roster, or perhaps give a free agent like Courtney Roby a call?

Geo
10-08-2008, 07:35 PM
The additional move today, re: that open roster space, is that the Colts re-signed Keiwan Ratliff. (http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2008/10/lots_of_stuff_on_the_fly.html)

I forgot he was out there, so it's good the team brought him back to bolster the depth at cornerback. Sounds like Kelvin Hayden might miss a few weeks, unfortunately. (Nothing said from the Colts, but my guess is knee sprain. Blasted Texans' field.)

Supposedly Ratliff will handle punt returns and rookie Pierre Garcon with kickoff returns.

Geo
10-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Colts trade for DT John McCargo from Buffalo Bills, release LaJuan Ramsey. (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Indianapolis/Features/2008/sohn101408.htm)

MaxV
10-14-2008, 06:05 PM
This is a great move if the pick is on Day 2.

I've also heard that Chad Simpson might be added to the 53-man roster in place of Mike Hart.

Geo
10-14-2008, 06:16 PM
The Colts traded their 4th round pick for McCargo.

Simpson seems the ideal candidate to step in. Don't know if it is related, but the Seahawks promoted Justin Forsett to their active roster, maybe they were worried the Colts would pick him up again. The Eagles released Tony Hunt today, but I'm not sure the Colts think he's quick enough to play in their offense.

MaxV
10-14-2008, 06:53 PM
I'm a big PSU fan and Hunt will always be among my favorites, but he's just too slow for NFL.

I like Chad Simpson, he ran the ball very well during the preseason, but he does need to work on his blocking and receiving. Two aspects that Colts value very much in their RBs.

UKfan
10-15-2008, 10:38 AM
Is Hart out for the season then? Bummer if so.

RCAChainGang
10-24-2008, 05:11 PM
Is Hart out for the season then? Bummer if so.

Yeah he's on IR

Geo
10-24-2008, 05:38 PM
I'm going to be bummed if Hart doesn't recover to form in time for the '09 season. It's amazing how quick some guys turn around from torn knee ligament injuries thanks to modern medicine, compared to as little as a decade ago or even less, but you never know how the next player - a runningback to boot - will recover.

Hart's game wasn't as a burner anyways, at least, he is an exceptional all-purpose back with great vision and the iron will of a champion.

RCAChainGang
10-24-2008, 10:10 PM
I'm going to be bummed if Hart doesn't recover to form in time for the '09 season. It's amazing how quick some guys turn around from torn knee ligament injuries thanks to modern medicine, compared to as little as a decade ago or even less, but you never know how the next player - a runningback to boot - will recover.

Hart's game wasn't as a burner anyways, at least, he is an exceptional all-purpose back with great vision and the iron will of a champion.

We could really use him as of now. Was Forsett a running back also because I bet we could use him, but he got cut. I don't know I just don't like the idea of Dom having all the carries.

Dam8610
10-25-2008, 01:20 AM
We could really use him as of now. Was Forsett a running back also because I bet we could use him, but he got cut. I don't know I just don't like the idea of Dom having all the carries.

Chad Simpson is fine as a 3rd RB. He's the backup right now, hopefully he'll be used as such against the Titans.

Geo
10-25-2008, 10:34 AM
Don't know where he is as an all-purpose back, but as a pure runner with speed, Simpson might have potential. Might be able to break a few runs outside.

He only saw two carries last week, and didn't get to do much.

Geo
10-30-2008, 06:02 PM
Marlin Jackson placed on IR, Keiwan Ratliff re-signed. (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=104b369e-24b2-479d-9663-a6e84d2a63f2)

Sucks for Marlin, I just hope he can recover fully and be good to go for next season. That's some damage he suffered.

Also good that Ratliff was available to re-sign, he's a good back-up. Plus he can be a return man if need be at a moment's notice.

Dam8610
10-30-2008, 10:10 PM
Hopefully Hayden and Marlin are the starting CBs in 2009, but I can't say I definitely want that combination beyond that.

Geo
11-01-2008, 10:46 PM
The Jets waived DL Kareem Brown today (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2008/11/injury-update-harris-stays-hom.html), perhaps the Colts could be interested?

Here's Scott's profile on him:

Kareem Brown
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 290 | 40-Time: 5.40

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size and a big frame with long arms...Good strength...Stout and can hold his ground at the point...Athletic and quick with a burst...Is able to penetrate and collapse the pocket...Playmaker who shows glimpses of greatness...Effective against both the pass and run...Had a great final campaign...Has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Does not play with great leverage...Has a ways to go in terms of technique...Has an inconsistent motor...Instincts and awareness are question marks...Has trouble disengaging from blocks...Doesn't have a lot of starting experience...His pass rush repertoire is limited...An underachiever who doesn't always play up to his ability.

Notes:
Was used in a rotation for most of his career but really came on as a senior when he was given an expanded role...Intriguing prospect who has not yet reached his full potential but has everything you look for physically...Boom or bust type who is still improving and was pretty productive whenever he was given an opportunity.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2002 DNP - - -
2003 11 23 3.5 4.0
2004 12 28 6.0 1.0
2005 12 46 8.5 4.5
2006 12 32 10.0 8.5
Totals 47 129 28.0 18.0

SI 2007 draft profile (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/1656.html)

Note: When the Patriots waived him in 2007, the Jets, the Ravens, and the 49ers all put in waiver claims for him. Obviously the Jets had the highest priority and kept him on the roster until now. Word is he didn't look too bad in this past preseason, actually. As a player with some 3-4 potential, those and other potential teams could be interested now.

Might be worth a waiver claim, I think.

Geo
11-04-2008, 08:21 PM
Not Brown who passed waivers and was signed by the Jets to their practice squad.

Rather Antonio Johnson (6-3, 310), who was on the Tennessee Titans' practice squad before being signed to the Colts' roster. Johnson was drafted by the Titans in the 5th round of the 2007 Draft, but missed his rookie season thanks to a torn ACL injury.

If interested, some reading material: SI draft profile (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/43952.html), ESPN draft profile (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10830), and of course from the main man himself (10th ranked DT in the class)
Antonio Johnson
Defensive Tackle | Senior | Mississippi St.
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 310 | 40-Time: 5.21

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has great size and the frame to get a little bigger yet...Very athletic with excellent quickness...Timed speed is very good...Is strong and powerful...Mobile with good range...Sheds blocks and disengages well...Makes plays in the backfield...Displays flashes of brilliance and can be almost dominant at times...Still has lots of upside.

Weaknesses:
Was not very productive and is not a great pass rusher...Instincts and awareness are questionable...Has only two years of Division I experience and only started for one...Plays too high at times...He's not stout at the point of attack and can be run at...Might only be a wave player in the pros...Still raw and needs technique work.

Notes:
Did not play during his senior high school campaign and then played his first two years at Mississippi Delta Community College...Has just about everything you look for physically...Some team will likely take a flyer on him earlier than his play would dictate based on his measurables and immense potential...A developmental guy.
Very interested to see how he does, I am glad they finally mined another team's practice squad in the hopes of finding a player. I was shocked to see Muir inactive against New England, I wonder if that means anything. The Colts could use both guys against Pittsburgh.

MaxV
11-04-2008, 08:34 PM
Sounds like a very interesting player.

Funny, Titans are known for signing as many of our players as they can, maybe we can benefit from getting theirs.

Geo
11-12-2008, 12:05 AM
Just wanted to note that I revised my earlier bit on Ryan Diem (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1146306&postcount=44).

I think the numbers and the situations are easier to understand now, phrased in that way.

And I aim to get a new installment up on Raheem Brock pretty soon.

Geo
11-18-2008, 07:15 PM
Nick Graham could be headed for IR. (http://hsoklahoma.scout.com/a.z?s=406&p=9&c=2&cid=813212&nid=3997365&fhn=1)

The Colts have signed tight end Jamie Petrowski from the Titans practice squad, where he's been since 2007. (http://tennessean.com/article/20081118/SPORTS01/81118108/1002/SPORTS) Petrowski is actually a Terre Haute native, played college ball at Indiana State too. (http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/sports/sports_wthi_terrehaute_north_grad_colts_20081117) Assuming he passes his physical, he should be on the practice field Wednesday.

Check out the Titans' TE Jamie Petrowski player profile (http://www.titansonline.com/team/players/bio.php?PRKey=349), a very good comprehensive read.

Interesting bit, the Nashville City Paper says the Colts will place tight end Tom Santi on IR (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64234), in light of this move. Santi has been sidelined with a shoulder injury for the last number of weeks, although this hasn't been confirmed elsewhere that I've seen.

The Colts have signed former '07 draft pick safety Brannon Condren to the practice squad. (http://www.indystar.com/article/20081118/SPORTS03/811180384/1058/SPORTS03)

MaxV
11-18-2008, 07:24 PM
Whatever happened to Titans signing all our players.

Have the roles reversed?

Geo
11-18-2008, 07:27 PM
The Colts are stealing the mojo back. ;)

I love the Antonio Johnson pick-up, we'll see how Petrowski fares. Spending almost two years with the Titans' strength and conditioning staff will help his strength.

Geo
11-19-2008, 01:49 PM
Both Santi and Graham have been placed on IR. (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=roster)

Santi has had real tough luck this season with injuries, hopefully he comes back strong and healthy for next year.

And the Colts have signed true rookie CB from Texas Brandon Foster from their own practice squad, keep the corners five in number.


Edit: And they've now added a third WR to the practice squad, Marques Hagans. Fomer '06 5th round pick of the St. Louis Rams, out of Virginia. That really makes you ponder for a bit, maybe Roy Hall's recovery isn't going as well as hoped.

Also QB David Greene isn't listed on the practice squad anymore.

RCAChainGang
11-23-2008, 04:04 PM
Who are our major free agents?

I know Jeff Saturday
,Kelvin Hayden
,and Tyjaun Hagler... Who els?

Geo
11-23-2008, 04:06 PM
Colts' 2009 UFAs
S Matt Giordano
LB Tyjuan Hagler
CB Kelvin Hayden
CB Keiwan Ratliff (I believe)
DT Darrell Reid
RB Dominic Rhodes
C Jeff Saturday
DE Josh Thomas

RCAChainGang
11-23-2008, 04:10 PM
Colts' 2009 UFAs
S Matt Giordano
LB Tyjuan Hagler
CB Kelvin Hayden
CB Keiwan Ratliff (I believe)
DT Darrell Reid
RB Dominic Rhodes
C Jeff Saturday
DE Josh Thomas

I bet Saturday goes and gets him a good contract for another team. Not sure about Hayden. I would hate to see Darrel Reid go.

MaxV
11-23-2008, 04:13 PM
I hope we get Hayden and Saturday back. The rest won't be big loses.

Rhodes has run hard and I won't be against bringing him back for the right price. But to be honest, I hope we draft an explosive runner to backup Addai.

Hagler is a solid player, but I actually hope he doesn't resign, simply because I want Wheeler to get a chance.

Geo
11-23-2008, 04:32 PM
If Dom Rhodes asks for much more than the vet minimum, I'm not sure what to think of that. Honestly, I don't think he's shown enough to other teams to be signed by them, but he's a solid vet to have on the team who can pass protect Peyton (a critical factor) and receive the ball. Plus this is probably Dom's best fit, so maybe both sides agree to a fair deal.

If the Colts are willing to spend on a #2 RB ... two guys I really like are JJ Arrington of the Cardinals and Derrick Ward of the Giants. But even a relatively low contract could have those guys making as much as Addai (around 1.5M), which might be something of an awkward situation.

I agree about the explosive back, and draft-wise, there are some guys I like. I like Chad Simpson and think he might be that back, but it doesn't hurt to bring in competition imo. Or maybe another back if Rhodes isn't re-signed.

Edit: Plus there's Mike Hart, who might take Rhodes' place in the offense. He brings a similar game.

Geo
11-25-2008, 09:48 AM
http://1070thefan.com/news/story.aspx?ID=1042088

Colts' Lilja Will Not Play This Season
by 1070thefan.com
11/25/2008

The Indianapolis Colts announced Tuesday that offensive guard Ryan Lilja will remain on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Lilja has missed the first eleven games this season with a knee injury. He was eligible to return to the active roster through Monday, but he will remain on the PUP list and will miss the remainder of the season.

Lilja is scheduled to undergo surgery to try to correct the injury with his knee.

Sucks for Lilja, hopefully he gets fully healthy and ready to go for next season.

MaxV
12-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Colts sign LB Rufus Alexander from Minnesota Vikings PS.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/02/vikes-lose-alexander/

Geo
12-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Buster Davis, Rufus Alexander ... any more former regarded Tampa 2 linebacker prospects remaining? ;)

Kidding aside, interesting move. Signing Alexander means he'll have to be on the active roster for three weeks, which is around the range that Brackett will miss.

Geo
12-03-2008, 12:22 PM
Btw, looks like the Colts made room for Alexander by waiving rooke CB Brandon Foster. Back to the practice squad he goes, in all likelihood.

Geo
12-04-2008, 05:59 PM
Alexander has taken the #59. (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=554) A #59 linebacker again, except this one will actually tackle. :D

Buster Davis is #52 btw, which surprisingly was available when that's such a keen number for linebackers (Ray Lewis is big for guys coming up). So you'll know to spot him this Sunday in the Bengals game.

Geo
12-10-2008, 02:42 AM
Runningback Najeh Davenport signed by the Colts. (http://www.nfl.com/players/najehdavenport/profile?id=DAV005111)

Looks like Chad Simpson's sprained ankle will have him miss at least a week, plus Davenport gives the team an experienced player in the league in case Addai might be limited. I think he also did a little return work for Pittsburgh last season too, which could help with Simpson potentially out.

Wonder who gets released to make room on the roster.

Geo
12-11-2008, 12:27 PM
Bill Polian in his recent Polian corner, not holding back about Kelvin Hayden: (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=870ab49d-e1b8-4ba6-a2db-af7fb47497d5)

Q: How much has the return of Kelvin Hayden helped?

A: Greatly. First of all, he’s our best cornerback. No. 2, he’s really a playmaker. Kelvin’s a good example of what we talked about in player development. He only played one year at corner at Illinois. (Senior Consultant to Player Personnel) Dom Anile and I went to see him and we loved him. We said, ‘This is the guy we’ve been looking for.’ He came in here and it was difficult for him in the early going with not a lot of experience. He had been a receiver, obviously, at Illinois and didn’t have a lot of experience at the position. Then, the Super Bowl year he just blossomed. He grew and grew and grew and of course made the interception that cinched the Super Bowl. Since then, he has just been a topnotch player who really is a guy who does everything well in a Dungy Defense scheme. He tackles well. He supports the run well. He’s physical. He’s a great pass defender and he turns the ball over. That’s an ideal description of a Dungy Defense corner, and Kelvin has it all. He really has made himself into a very fine player.
This further has me believing that the Colts will re-sign Hayden. Polian loves Antoine Winfield and I remember hearing he wanted to sign him as a free agent but he was too expensive, well now he has his own Winfield in Hayden who he will not give up if he can.

I only hope they can re-sign Marlin Jackson too. I thought Jackson was the best corner before this season but have joined Dam and co. (and Polian) in agreeing it's Hayden, although I don't think Marlin is behind too too much. Both guys easily make up the best starting duo in the Dungy era, if not well before that for some time, and I hope the Class of '05 studs stay with the team for many more years and continue to excel.

Now, Marlin is coming off a serious knee injury, so it probably makes more sense to wait and see how he comes back. He's still signed through '09. Although it might cost more next year, especially if Hayden signs a lucrative deal. But you have to make sure he's healthy and recovered, I think.

I LOVE having a secondary with Jackson/Hayden/Sanders, and if he's playing good football, Bethea too. Although I am absolutely fine with letting Bethea play out his rookie contract and cash in elsewhere. Not near as big on Bethea as I am the other three, who I'd much rather invest in.

Geo
12-18-2008, 01:45 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/18/harrison-could-be-playing-final-season-for-colts/

Schefter's the man, but he's three months or so behind on this one. ;)

RCAChainGang
12-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Bill Polian in his recent Polian corner, not holding back about Kelvin Hayden: (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=870ab49d-e1b8-4ba6-a2db-af7fb47497d5)


This further has me believing that the Colts will re-sign Hayden. Polian loves Antoine Winfield and I remember hearing he wanted to sign him as a free agent but he was too expensive, well now he has his own Winfield in Hayden who he will not give up if he can.

I only hope they can re-sign Marlin Jackson too. I thought Jackson was the best corner before this season but have joined Dam and co. (and Polian) in agreeing it's Hayden, although I don't think Marlin is behind too too much. Both guys easily make up the best starting duo in the Dungy era, if not well before that for some time, and I hope the Class of '05 studs stay with the team for many more years and continue to excel.

Now, Marlin is coming off a serious knee injury, so it probably makes more sense to wait and see how he comes back. He's still signed through '09. Although it might cost more next year, especially if Hayden signs a lucrative deal. But you have to make sure he's healthy and recovered, I think.

I LOVE having a secondary with Jackson/Hayden/Sanders, and if he's playing good football, Bethea too. Although I am absolutely fine with letting Bethea play out his rookie contract and cash in elsewhere. Not near as big on Bethea as I am the other three, who I'd much rather invest in.

Yay! Thanks for the good read.

Geo
01-24-2009, 10:15 PM
The Chicago Bears have reportedly waived a former 2007 3rd round pick in linebacker Michael Okwo. I don't know if health is a concern, he should be recovered fully from the shoulder injury that put him on IR for his rookie season, he's played in the preseason. I'd love for the Colts to be able to claim him and give him a shot at backing up Freddy Keiaho at WLB.
Unfortunately it took until this offseason, after the waste that was the Buster Davis experiment, but ... (http://www.nfl.com/transactions)

Indianapolis Colts 1/16 Michael Okwo (LB) signed.
Alright! Good to bring him in, I think he'll make for excellent competition with Jordan Senn for the #2 WLB position, if not beat him out. I really like Senn on special teams though.

Geo
05-03-2009, 12:23 AM
Offense (24)

QB/3 - MVPeyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter

RB/4 - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

WR/5 - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garcon, Roy Hall, Austin Collie

TE/3 - Dallas Clark, Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

OL/9 - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard, Dan Federkeil, Jaimie Thomas

Defense (26)

DE/5 - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

DT/5 - Fili Moala, Antonio Johnson, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster, Ed Johnson

LB/6 - Clint Session, Gary Brackett, Philip Wheeler, Adam Seward, Tyjuan Hagler, Freddy Keiaho

CB/6 - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Dante Hughes, Jerraud Powers, Michael Coe

S/4 - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt, Matt Giordano

Special Teams (3)

K - Adam Vinatieri

P - Pat McAfee

LS - Justin Snow


Top 5 guys not above:

54. OL Steve Justice - Hate leaving him off. But I wanted to keep the rookie Thomas who adds the element of size that doesn't exist on the roster, and the Colts obviously see something in Federkeil to want to hang onto him and keep developing him. If Lilja starts on PUP or a lineman gets injured, that would open a spot up for Justice.

55. KR/PR/CB TJ Rushing - If he's back to full health and picks up where he left off as the starting return man, he probably makes the roster over Coe. The Colts need to get better in the return game, right now I'd say Chad Simpson is the guy and he is okay but not as good as TJ in 07. But I really like Coe as a STer and as a CB, so I held off for the time being.

56. S Jamie Silva - I hope he beats out Giordano because I think Silva is a much better football player, on defense and on special teams, but the fact that the Colts did re-sign Giordano plus him having much better speed probably hurts those chances.

57. TE Gijon Robinson - I like Robinson's passion, but his blocking still leaves a lot to be desired. Plus there's unlikely room for a 4th TE - Painter will be developed, they will keep a 4th RB thanks to Hart's health & Simpson's legit speed/promise, and there's too much talent NOT to keep 9 offensive lineman. Hopefully Santi's ready to take over as the blocking TE.

58. DE/DT Keyunta Dawson - Initially I had him as the 5th DE, but Curtis Johnson is such a talented pass rusher than I'd sacrifice the 10 lbs. to keep him instead. And then I put Dawson as the 5th DT, but decided to go with Grady instead because Dawson isn't a very good pass rushing DT so I might as well go with the guy who is better against the run. I like Dawson and he made the position change as his coaches asked him to in late 2007, but he needs to prove he can do something really well in camp and preseason.

Hopefully the Colts can keep UDFA OL Cornelius Lewis on the practice squad, to develop him.

Seamus2602
05-03-2009, 06:40 AM
Quaterback

18 - Peyton Manning
12 - Jim Sorgi
7 - Curtis Painter

Running Back

29 - Joseph Addai
31 - Donald Brown
32 - Mike Hart
27 - Lance Ball

Wide Receiver

87 - Reggie Wayne
11 - Anthony Gonzalez
17 - Austin Collie
85 - Pierre Garçon
83 - Roy Hall

Tight End

44 - Dallas Clark
84 - Jacob Tamme

H-Back

47 - Gijon Robinson
86 - Tom Santi

Offensive Line

67 - Tony Ugoh
65 - Ryan Lilja
63 - Jeff Saturday
78 - Mike Pollak
71 - Ryan Diem
74 - Charlie Johnson
61 - Jamey Richard
76 - Daniel Federkeil
53 - Steve Justice

Defensive End

93 - Dwight Freeney
98 - Robert Mathis
79 - Raheem Brock
92 - Marcus Howard
96 - Keyunta Dawson

Under Tackle

95 - Fili Moala
-- - Ed Johnson
68 - Eric Foster

Nose Tackle

62 - Terrance Taylor
99 - Antonio Johnson

Middle Linebacker

58 - Gary Brackett
52 - Adam Seward

Strongside Linebacker

50 - Philip Wheeler
56 - Tyjuan Hagler

Weakside Linebacker

54 - Freddie Keiaho
55 - Clint Session

Cornerback

26 - Kelvin Hayden
28 - Marlin Jackson
23 - Tim Jennings
49 - Jerraud Powers
20 - Dante Hughes

Free Safety

41 - Antoine Bethea
33 - Melvin Bullitt

Strong Safety

21 - Bob Sanders
43 - Matt Giordano

Special Teams

4 - Adam Vinatieri
1 - Pat McAfee
48 - Justin Snow

I have a couple more players on the Offense than Geo would.

I feel the team will keep Jaimie Thomas on the 53 but I don't think they will cut Steve Justice, who I feel could be the team's long term Centre project. You do forget that at the start of the 2007 College Season (Justice's Senior Season), he was the 2nd Rated Centre prospect in the country. He has talent and I don't feel the Franchise will want to lose him. I also feel that for at least this season the team will keep on Gijon Robinson. Tom Santi should some promise last year but was injured too early to name him the starter going into this year.

On D, I feel the team will bring 9 Defensive Lineman, instead of Geo's 10. I feel it will be 4 DT, 3 DE and 2 players who can play both. That gives the time at all times 5 DT or 5 DE, while saving a Roster spot. I also feel we will only bring 5 CB into the 53.

MaxV
05-03-2009, 10:34 AM
Seamus, 10 OLs is a MAJOR overkill, 9 might be too many.

You are hurting depth at other positions and your special team's coverage unit by doing that.

killxswitch
05-04-2009, 11:20 AM
No way Keiaho beats Session out for the WLB spot. Session will be starting at LB, either strong or weak.

Dam8610
05-05-2009, 02:49 AM
No way Keiaho beats Session out for the WLB spot. Session will be starting at LB, either strong or weak.

If Session isn't the starter at WLB, then there's something wrong with the way the coaching staff evaluates players.

killxswitch
05-05-2009, 08:48 AM
If Session isn't the starter at WLB, then there's something wrong with the way the coaching staff evaluates players.

I am expecting him at the weak side, but I am certain he will start somewhere, barring injury.

Geo
05-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Updated my earlier post, having Ed Johnson replace Adrian Grady as the 5th DT.

And I actually did change Freddy Keiaho to Michael Tauiliili, but decided to change it back. We'll see.

An ideal solution might be to keep Keiaho for 09 as a young linebacker is groomed on the practice squad. But that could be risky, if Tauiliili or Michael Okwo look really good in the preseason. Especially when one of those young guys could be under contract for 3 or 4 more years, unlike Keiaho.

Not only is this the deepest the Colts have been at DT, but also at LB I would say:

The big six of Brackett, Hagler, Keiaho, Session, Wheeler, and Seward. And then the young guys in Jordan Senn, Michael Okwo, and Michael Tauiliili looking to knock one of those guys off the perch above. 9 guys fighting for at least 6 spots.

Dam8610
06-16-2009, 02:23 PM
My first crack at a 53 + PS for 2009:

QB (3): Peyton Manning/Jim Sorgi/Curtis Painter
RB (4): Joseph Addai/Donald Brown/Mike Hart/Chad Simpson
WR (5): Reggie Wayne/Anthony Gonzalez/Pierre Garcon/Austin Collie/Roy Hall
TE (3): Dallas Clark/Tom Santi/Jacob Tamme
OT (4): Tony Ugoh/Ryan Diem/Charlie Johnson/Michael Toudouze
OG (3): Ryan Lilja/Mike Pollak/Steve Justice
OC (2): Jeff Saturday/Jamey Richard

DE (5): Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis/Raheem Brock/Marcus Howard/Curtis Johnson
DT (5): Fili Moala/Antonio Johnson/Ed Johnson/Terrance Taylor/Eric Foster
LB (6): Clint Session/Gary Brackett/Philip Wheeler/Tyjuan Hagler/Jordan Senn/Adam Seward
CB (6): Kelvin Hayden/Marlin Jackson/Jerraud Powers/Tim Jennings/Dante Hughes/Michael Coe
S (4): Bob Sanders/Antoine Bethea/Melvin Bullitt/Jamie Silva

K (1): Adam Vinatieri
P (1): Pat McAfee
LS (1): Justin Snow

Practice Squad (8): WR Sam Giguere, DT Adrian Grady, OG Jaimie Thomas, OG Cornelius Lewis, LB Mike Tauiliili, DB Brandon Anderson, WR John Matthews, DT Pat Kuntz

Notes: I wanted to put Sam Giguere on the team, but I think they're going to let Roy Hall have one more chance, and Giguere can be placed on the practice squad again. I have a feeling Adrian Grady might beat out Eric Foster for a roster spot, but either way I think he winds up on the team in some capacity. Interesting camp battles: #3 WR, #3 CB, all backup LB spots, all DT spots (rotation as well as who makes the team), you can see my projected winners on the makeshift depth chart I've made.

killxswitch
06-18-2009, 11:23 AM
A couple things, Dam.

- You think Senn is going to beat out Keiaho? I strongly disagree.

- Last year we had the following DEs - Freeney, Mathis, Brock, Thomas, Howard, and Johnson. We lost Thomas. Any possibility in your opinion that Foster will be moved to the "Thomas" DE spot and Grady takes his DT spot?

- Didn't Giordano get re-signed? I'm not so sure Silva would beat him out. I don't feel nearly as strong about that as I do Keiaho though.

- Do we need 6 CBs? I guess to be safe we do, there is a history of injury there. I wish we didn't, though.

Seamus2602
06-18-2009, 12:14 PM
QB - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter
RB - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson
HB - Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi
WR - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garçon, Austin Collie, Roy Hall
TE - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme
OT - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Daniel Federkeil
OG - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard
OC - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE - Dwight Freeney, Raheem Brock, Robert Mathis, Marcus Howard
DT - Ed Johnson, Antonio Johnson, Fili Moala, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster
WLB - Clint Session, Freddie Keiaho, Jordan Senn
MLB - Gary Brackett, Adam Seward
SLB - Philip Wheeler, Tyjuan Hagler
CB - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Dante Hughes
FS - Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt
SS - Bob Sanders, Matt Giordano

PK - Adam Vinatieri
P - Pat McAfee
LS - Justin Snow

Practice Squad

Lance Ball - RB
Samuel Giguère - WR
Michael Toudouze - OT
Jaimie Thomas - OG
Keyunta Dawson - DE/T
Mike Tauiliili - OLB
T. J. Rushing - CB
Jamie Silva - FS

The changes I have from Dam:

Straight swaps:

Daniel Federkiel for Michael Toudouze: Toudouze is a donkey and Federkiel played a lot of games last year. Federkiel is also more versatile than Toudouze as he can play Guard as well as Tackle. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Toudouze beats him out for a Roster spot.

Matt Giordano for Jamie Silva: I like Jamie Silva. I think he can contribute more as a Safety than Giordano can. But not only is Giordano gonna make the 53, he's gonna be a Team Captain next year. We lost our most experienced Special Teams players in Darrell Reid. Do you think the team will cut our second most experienced Special Teams players only after resigning him?

Others

Freddie Keiaho and Gijon Robinson for Curtis Johnson and Michael Coe: The way it will work next year. If Clint Session gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Will, not Jordan Senn. If Garry Brackett gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Mike, not Adam Seward. If Philip Wheeler gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Sam, not Tyjuan Hagler. He will be the first backup at all three LB positions next year. Robinson will also be in the team because he started last year. He started player better as the year went on. While I think in the long term, and possibly next season, Tom Santi will replace him at H-Back, I would be very surprised if Robinson isn't in the 53 for Week 1. Curtis Johnson draws the short straw. It was a close one between him and Foster but Curtis Johnson doesn't contribute a hell of a lot, and is more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE. I don't even have him in my 8 man designated Practice Squad. What has Michael Coe done for the Colts? He adds very little to the team and so he was a very easy player to cut.

Practice Squad:

Lance Ball - RB: I would love to have Lance Ball in my 53 but I do feel that Simpson might win that Training Camp battle. The only way he makes the 53 is if he has a really good Training Camp, Simpson has a really bad Training Camp or Mike Hart starts the season PUP'd.
Samuel Giguère - WR: Apparently the Coaches are very impressed with him and his presence could get a little competition going with Roy Hall. He will be the first call though if any of the other Receivers goes down long term.
Michael Toudouze - OT: Eternelly on the Practice Squad and the team will always prefer to keep a pure Tackle lying about the place just incase Ugoh or Diem go down long term.
Jaimie Thomas - OG: Jamie Thomas will probably be in a Training Camp battle with Steve Justice for that last Offensive Lineman position but Justice fits the scheme better and has a year in the system better than Thomas. Again, if an interior linemen goes down, or Lilja starts on the PUP list then Thomas gets elevated.
Keyunta Dawson - DE/T: This could be Daniel Muir but I think they will keep Dawson because of his versatility. If Raheem Brock was to get injured there probably isn't anyone else to replace him.
Mike Tauiliili - OLB: The team apparently like Tauiliili. He didn't make the 53 for a number of reasons. First, if I had to learn how to pronounce his name I might just have to shoot someone. Secondly, I have probably included too many Linebackers in the 53 with 7, so 8 would have been overkill and he is clearly 8th best.
T. J. Rushing - CB: If Garcon was to go down, Rushing could be brought in to handle Returns. He brings nothing as a Corner.
Jamie Silva - FS: Silva is better than Giordano as a Safety but Giordano will be the Special Teams leader this year and I don't see the team bringing 5 Safeties in. If Bob Sanders was to get injured, which is always a possibility, then Silva will be the main backup behind both Bethea and Bullitt.

Seamus2602
06-18-2009, 12:19 PM
You think Senn is going to beat out Keiaho? I strongly disagree.

I don't feel that Senn will beat out Keiaho but I feel that Senn contributes enough on Special Teams that he will merit a Roster spot.

Last year we had the following DEs - Freeney, Mathis, Brock, Thomas, Howard, and Johnson. We lost Thomas. Any possibility in your opinion that Foster will be moved to the "Thomas" DE spot and Grady takes his DT spot?

If they do go in without resigning Thomas, which is still a possibility, then I feel it would more likely be Keyunta Dawson moving to DE, than Foster. Foster has never played DE while Dawson was originally signed as a DE.

Do we need 6 CBs? I guess to be safe we do, there is a history of injury there. I wish we didn't, though.

There are a lot of injuries at Cornerback (the Tampa 2 Corners have to be overly physical in an attempt to force Turnovers), but most of the injuries aren't wee knocks that keep people out for a series or 2. They are long term injuries. They are injuries that will get you a one way ticket to the Injury Reserve. I think they will only bring 5 Cornerbacks onto the Roster and if any of them get injured then they will bring in backups at a later date.

Dam8610
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
A couple things, Dam.

- You think Senn is going to beat out Keiaho? I strongly disagree.

I put a couple of surprises up there, that was one of them. I think Senn is willing to accept being a special teamer, whereas I'm not so sure Keiaho will, that said I wouldn't be shocked if I'm wrong.

- Last year we had the following DEs - Freeney, Mathis, Brock, Thomas, Howard, and Johnson. We lost Thomas. Any possibility in your opinion that Foster will be moved to the "Thomas" DE spot and Grady takes his DT spot?

I highly doubt the team carries 11 DLs, and I'm hoping they do away with the "Thomas" DE spot, as I like production and usefulness out of Colts DEs. That said, Grady could beat out Foster for the 10th DE spot.

- Didn't Giordano get re-signed? I'm not so sure Silva would beat him out. I don't feel nearly as strong about that as I do Keiaho though.

Silva makes a bigger special teams impact and is IMO a better player. It was hard to get down to 53 with the players on the team, I have a feeling the coaches are going to have to make a few tough decisions.

- Do we need 6 CBs? I guess to be safe we do, there is a history of injury there. I wish we didn't, though.

Which one of those would you cut? I know most people are going to say Coe, but he has a lot of potential and at the very least is a really good ST player. If Coe doesn't stick with the Colts, he's going to land a roster spot somewhere, he deserves one on ST play alone when he's healthy.

Dam8610
06-18-2009, 04:49 PM
QB - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter
RB - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson
HB - Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi
WR - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garçon, Austin Collie, Roy Hall
TE - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme
OT - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Daniel Federkeil
OG - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard
OC - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE - Dwight Freeney, Raheem Brock, Robert Mathis, Marcus Howard
DT - Ed Johnson, Antonio Johnson, Fili Moala, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster
WLB - Clint Session, Freddie Keiaho, Jordan Senn
MLB - Gary Brackett, Adam Seward
SLB - Philip Wheeler, Tyjuan Hagler
CB - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Dante Hughes
FS - Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt
SS - Bob Sanders, Matt Giordano

PK - Adam Vinatieri
P - Pat McAfee
LS - Justin Snow

Practice Squad

Lance Ball - RB
Samuel Giguère - WR
Michael Toudouze - OT
Jaimie Thomas - OG
Keyunta Dawson - DE/T
Mike Tauiliili - OLB
T. J. Rushing - CB
Jamie Silva - FS

The changes I have from Dam:

Straight swaps:

Daniel Federkiel for Michael Toudouze: Toudouze is a donkey and Federkiel played a lot of games last year. Federkiel is also more versatile than Toudouze as he can play Guard as well as Tackle. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Toudouze beats him out for a Roster spot.

Matt Giordano for Jamie Silva: I like Jamie Silva. I think he can contribute more as a Safety than Giordano can. But not only is Giordano gonna make the 53, he's gonna be a Team Captain next year. We lost our most experienced Special Teams players in Darrell Reid. Do you think the team will cut our second most experienced Special Teams players only after resigning him?

Others

Freddie Keiaho and Gijon Robinson for Curtis Johnson and Michael Coe: The way it will work next year. If Clint Session gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Will, not Jordan Senn. If Garry Brackett gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Mike, not Adam Seward. If Philip Wheeler gets injured, Freddie Keiaho backs up at Sam, not Tyjuan Hagler. He will be the first backup at all three LB positions next year. Robinson will also be in the team because he started last year. He started player better as the year went on. While I think in the long term, and possibly next season, Tom Santi will replace him at H-Back, I would be very surprised if Robinson isn't in the 53 for Week 1. Curtis Johnson draws the short straw. It was a close one between him and Foster but Curtis Johnson doesn't contribute a hell of a lot, and is more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE. I don't even have him in my 8 man designated Practice Squad. What has Michael Coe done for the Colts? He adds very little to the team and so he was a very easy player to cut.

Practice Squad:

Lance Ball - RB: I would love to have Lance Ball in my 53 but I do feel that Simpson might win that Training Camp battle. The only way he makes the 53 is if he has a really good Training Camp, Simpson has a really bad Training Camp or Mike Hart starts the season PUP'd.
Samuel Giguère - WR: Apparently the Coaches are very impressed with him and his presence could get a little competition going with Roy Hall. He will be the first call though if any of the other Receivers goes down long term.
Michael Toudouze - OT: Eternelly on the Practice Squad and the team will always prefer to keep a pure Tackle lying about the place just incase Ugoh or Diem go down long term.
Jaimie Thomas - OG: Jamie Thomas will probably be in a Training Camp battle with Steve Justice for that last Offensive Lineman position but Justice fits the scheme better and has a year in the system better than Thomas. Again, if an interior linemen goes down, or Lilja starts on the PUP list then Thomas gets elevated.
Keyunta Dawson - DE/T: This could be Daniel Muir but I think they will keep Dawson because of his versatility. If Raheem Brock was to get injured there probably isn't anyone else to replace him.
Mike Tauiliili - OLB: The team apparently like Tauiliili. He didn't make the 53 for a number of reasons. First, if I had to learn how to pronounce his name I might just have to shoot someone. Secondly, I have probably included too many Linebackers in the 53 with 7, so 8 would have been overkill and he is clearly 8th best.
T. J. Rushing - CB: If Garcon was to go down, Rushing could be brought in to handle Returns. He brings nothing as a Corner.
Jamie Silva - FS: Silva is better than Giordano as a Safety but Giordano will be the Special Teams leader this year and I don't see the team bringing 5 Safeties in. If Bob Sanders was to get injured, which is always a possibility, then Silva will be the main backup behind both Bethea and Bullitt.

You can't put Silva, Rushing, or Dawson on the PS, and Toudouze I'm not sure about. I kept Toudouze on the roster because he's more of a pure OT than Federkiel, as you say, and the majority of my back end roster decisions were made based on STs. For example, Keiaho vs. Johnson, Johnson is likely to be the better special teamer (if I had to cut anyone for Keiaho it'd be Senn, but that would suck because next year the team would have to find a new backup WLB, as I don't think Senn can be placed on the practice squad), and I know Coe is the better special teamer than Robinson, and Silva came into the league known for his ST prowess, he's definitely the better of the two between he and Giordano.

Geo
06-18-2009, 05:17 PM
If Senn plays better on special teams, I'd take him over Keiaho, even though Keiaho is very likely the better starter of the two. Special teams is the most important factor for the back-up WLB imo, neither of these two is being groomed as the future starter. They need to fill out the LB 6 and they need to contribute on special teams.

Also, Senn can be signed cheap for two more years after 09.

Dam8610
06-19-2009, 12:47 AM
If Senn plays better on special teams, I'd take him over Keiaho, even though Keiaho is very likely the better starter of the two. Special teams is the most important factor for the back-up WLB imo, neither of these two is being groomed as the future starter. They need to fill out the LB 6 and they need to contribute on special teams.

Also, Senn can be signed cheap for two more years after 09.

My thought process exactly.

Seamus2602
06-23-2009, 08:16 AM
Allright, I made a number of major cockups in the last go, so here is my new 62 man roster, including my 53, 1 PUP and 8 Practice Squad members.

QB - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter

RB - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart (PUP), Chad Simpson, Lance Ball

WR - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garçon, Austin Collie, Roy Hall, Samuel Giguère

H-B - Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi

TE - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Colin Cloherty

OT - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Daniel Federkeil

OG - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard, Jaimie Thomas, Cornelius Lewis

OC - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marcus Howard

DT - Ed Johnson, Fili Moala, Antonio Johnson, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster, Adrian Grady

SLB - Philip Wheeler, Freddie Keiaho, Mike Tauiliili

MLB - Gary Brackett, Adam Seward

WLB - Clint Session, Jordan Senn

CB - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Dante Hughes, Brandon Foster

FS - Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt

SS - Bob Sanders, Matt Giordano, Jamie Silva

ST - Adam Vinatieri, Shane Andrus, Pat McAfee, Justin Snow

MaxV
06-23-2009, 08:24 AM
I hope Jaimie Thomas makes the roster.

Other then Lilja, he might be the only true OG on our team.

Dam8610
06-23-2009, 08:44 AM
I hope Jaimie Thomas makes the roster.

Other then Lilja, he might be the only true OG on our team.

Pollak will be fine. The last Colts player who had a similar situation to his coming into this season went on to be an All-Pro that year. Of course, his name is Bob Sanders, but my point is Pollak hasn't really gotten much of a chance. With a full training camp and no injuries, Pollak could make some big strides this season.

Seamus2602
06-23-2009, 08:47 AM
I hope Jaimie Thomas makes the roster.

Other then Lilja, he might be the only true OG on our team.

There are a number of things about Thomas. Jaimie Thomas isn't a Colts style Guard. He's very heavy, and lacks the agility neccessary for a Zone Blocking system. What Thomas really needs is a year out of playing, where he can slowly drop the weight, instead of a massive drop over the summer that will see him lose a lot of his drive, and also learn the system. He isn't, in my opinion, ready to play, even in a rotation. In a year, if he drops 15-20 lbs and improves his technique then bring him in.

Seamus2602
06-23-2009, 08:49 AM
Pollak will be fine. The last Colts player who had a similar situation to his coming into this season went on to be an All-Pro that year. Of course, his name is Bob Sanders, but my point is Pollak hasn't really gotten much of a chance. With a full training camp and no injuries, Pollak could make some big strides this season.

Exactly, Pollak missed every game before the BYE week and was then thrown into the deep end. If he can stay healthy, and get a full training camp, then I imagine that Pollak will do very well this year. There is a reason that they drafted him on the first day.

Seamus2602
07-09-2009, 05:14 PM
QB - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

RB - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart

WR - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garçon, Austin Collie, Roy Hall

H-B - Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi

TE - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme

OT - Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson

OG - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard, Jaimie Thomas

OC - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

DT - Ed Johnson, Antonio Johnson, Keyunta Dawson, Fili Moala, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster

SLB - Philip Wheeler, Freddie Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler

MLB - Gary Brackett, Adam Seward

WLB - Clint Session, Jordan Senn

CB - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Michael Coe, TJ Rushing

FS - Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt

SS - Bob Sanders, Matt Giordano, Jamie Silva

ST - Adam Vinatieri, Pat McAfee, Justin Snow

Practice Squad

Curtis Painter - QB
Colin Cloherty - TE
Cornelius Lewis - OG
Pat Kuntz - DT
Mike Tauiliili - LB
Brandon Foster - CB

John Oesher has named his Colts Roster, though either he or I have done our sums wrong, because I count 55 players there, including 29 Defensive Players, and 11 on the Defensive Line. Oesher is convinced though that we will be bringing in all 7 Linebackers and all 5 Safeties.

RCAChainGang
07-16-2009, 11:43 PM
Exactly, Pollak missed every game before the BYE week and was then thrown into the deep end. If he can stay healthy, and get a full training camp, then I imagine that Pollak will do very well this year. There is a reason that they drafted him on the first day.

Yeah I think Pollack learned to swim by being tossed in the deep end.

killxswitch
07-17-2009, 07:27 AM
He didn't actually learn to swim though. Hopefully he does this offseason.

MaxV
07-17-2009, 07:30 AM
Do you guys think Charlie Johnson will be our only backup OT? I don't like that idea at all.

Both Ugoh and Diem are injury prone and it's well documented that I don't like Johnson (he gets overpowered a lot).

Geo
07-17-2009, 09:30 AM
Unless Dan Federkeil can play some tackle, the best available option on the current pre-training camp roster might be Michael Toudouze. Who, as far as I know, is now ineligible for the practice squad because he's reached the three-year limit. So a decision has to be made with him.

Corey Hilliard I believe still has another year eligible for the PS, though. He's been with the club since mid-2007, he's alright.

For some reason I thought rookie UDFA Cornelius Lewis was taller, he's 6' 3.5". Doesn't mean he can't continue to play tackle in the pros though.

UDFA rookie Tom Pestock is over 6' 6" and listed at 317, although he's also listed at guard and his SI draft profile (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/players/80907.html) says he played he's only played guard the last three years.

*****

I do not want to risk losing Jaimie Thomas, even if he might have to be the concession made if there is to be another tackle added. A recent Colts.com spotlight article on Thomas (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=a1fe25aa-8525-4167-9302-416cca868b2a) features this excerpt:

Colts President Bill Polian joked on draft day that Thomas was closer in size to a Colts offensive tackle than a guard, but Thomas said he worked mostly at left guard with the Colts in the offseason and that he last played tackle in high school.

“From what I've been told here, you have to be prepared to play any position,” said Thomas, adding that he played center and tackle in high school and right and left guard in college. “I've taken some snaps at center in mini-camp, trying to prepare myself to move anywhere on the line, anywhere they need me to play.”

Ask most interior offensive linemen around the Colts their position and their typical reply is, “Offensive line.” That's a philosophy Thomas said he embraces.

“Same with me,” he said. “Wherever they need me, that's where I'll be playing.”
Thomas started at LG at Maryland. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play in the preseason.

RCAChainGang
07-17-2009, 01:13 PM
Do you guys think Charlie Johnson will be our only backup OT? I don't like that idea at all.

Both Ugoh and Diem are injury prone and it's well documented that I don't like Johnson (he gets overpowered a lot).

Ugh I don't want Charlie to be a backup...

Dam8610
07-19-2009, 04:29 AM
I had Toudouze making my roster because I believe he's the best backup the team has at LT.

RCAChainGang
07-22-2009, 02:51 PM
Hey I was watching an old colts game and edge was just picking up 5 yard gains* over and over. Do you think addai can't match his play or do you think the O-line has just been weak?

Seamus2602
07-29-2009, 09:47 AM
The Colts have cut seven players.

http://ind.scout.com/2/882850.html

Chris Crane - QB
Cornelius Lewis - OG
Pat Kuntz - DT
Tyrell Sales - LB
Brandon Foster - CB
Brandon Harrison - CB
Brannon Condren - S

BigBlueShoe at Stampede Blue is of the opinion that they were cut to make room for the Drafted Rookies, maybe indicating that deals are on their way soon.

Geo
07-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Hey I was watching an old colts game and edge was just picking up 5 yard games over and over. Do you think addai can't match his play or do you think the O-line has just been weak?
Edge is likely a HOF back and the best Colts back in franchise history. Hard for anyone to match completely, even with late 1st round picks. San Diego will feel this same thing soon enough in trying to replace Tomlinson, that's why they were so interested in Knowshon Moreno and Donald Brown.

Addai looks like a fish out of water when he's in open space, but he is very shifty. The Colts ran very little stretch plays last season. Addai is excellent in the receiving game, especially as a pass blocker. I often see Addai open on short/underneath routes, but for whatever reason, Peyton doesn't hit him. I don't think it would be as big an issue if he only rushed for say 800 or 900 yards if he gains 600 yards through the air at an 8-yards-plus average. Seems more effective to me, but what do I know.

I do think Brown will be the better runningback. Players (and people) tend to be what they were after college as they were in college, and in the case of Brown, he was a tough and shifty runner who was a beast his senior year. Intelligent, has a perfect attitude, and takes wonderful care of his body. He's going to play with Addai for the next two years, but after that, can take over as the starting (workhorse imo) back.

The struggles of the OL run-blocking, probably since halftime of the 07 Patriots game with some good spots here and there, might be more due to the interior trio than the tackles.

I think Jeff Saturday's peak as a player was 2005 & 2006, but I am not disappointed that he was re-signed because, even if he is sliding, he can still play for sure. He wasn't getting dominated in the run game last year, I don't think. More importantly he's the QB of the OL and allows Peyton and the offense as a whole to operate much more smoothly and quickly. The Colts aren't going to beat many teams with power, speed & smarts are their forte.

Pollak is only going to improve, get stronger. I'll keep saying it, he's going to be a stud imo.

Lilja looks like he'll play again, and if so, that's great news. When they are truly on, Ugoh-Lilja-Saturday can be sick together. See the first 6 games or so of 2007.

RCAChainGang
07-29-2009, 12:27 PM
Do you think Sam Giguere has a shot to make the roster and catch some balls this season?

Seamus2602
07-29-2009, 12:45 PM
Do you think Sam Giguere has a shot to make the roster and catch some balls this season?

I think he's back on the Practice Squad this year. He'd be the first call up if one of the other Receivers was to get injured. I can't see the team carrying more that 5 WRs on the 53 and, unless Roy Hall has a stinker, Giguere is the 6th man.

MaxV
07-29-2009, 01:00 PM
Edge was best RB in Colts' history?

Hmmm, I don't know, Dickerson played for us.

Seamus2602
07-29-2009, 01:23 PM
Edge was best RB in Colts' history?

Hmmm, I don't know, Dickerson played for us.

While Eric Dickerson played for us, the Edge was the best whilst at the Colts. Dickerson's best football was outside of Indy, while the Edge's best football was in Indy. Hell, Marshall Faulk was a better RB throughout his career than Edgerin James, but James was still better in Indy.

Geo
07-29-2009, 06:00 PM
Do you think Sam Giguere has a shot to make the roster and catch some balls this season?
If I have to be bold and make a pick ...

I'll say Roy Hall is the 5th WR on the roster and that Giguere spends one more year on the PS like Seamus said. I admit I still have high hopes for Roy Hall. Maybe not as a great receiver, but a great special teamer (the Colts' Steve Tasker?).

What do you think, RCACG?

Hall is a big and fast kid, but so is Giguere. Although Giguere broke a bone in his leg in late May, but he's supposed to be ready by training camp. We haven't heard anything about a setback and he wasn't in the first cuts, so that looks good.

Obviously competition helps make the best roster, positions should go to those who earn it. Jim Caldwell is an intelligent man who is building his own pro head coaching legacy, he and the rest of the great coaches want to have the best team possible. I have a lot of trust in them.

I'm interested to see the two UDFA receivers: John Matthews (San Diego) and Brett McDermott (Holy Cross). Honestly I would rule those guys out.

Btw, here's a cool article on McDermott. (http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2009/07/05/sports/5251829.txt)

Dam8610
08-08-2009, 10:32 PM
If it's between Hall and Giguere, I'd rather the team keep Giguere. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of Roy Hall's annual IR trip.

Dam8610
08-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Hey I was watching an old colts game and edge was just picking up 5 yard gains* over and over. Do you think addai can't match his play or do you think the O-line has just been weak?

A little of both. Edge is a HOF talent IMO, it's hard to match that quality. That said, looking at this article (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/a-closer-look-at-addais-productivity/), it becomes clear that the run blocking, not Addai, was what was wrong with Addai last season. On 36% of handoffs Addai took last season (that's more than 1 of every 3 for those keeping score at home), he was given subpar run blocking. If you look at the plays where he had good run blocking, he averaged 4.5 yards per carry last season, just a hair above his career average prior to 2008. So basically, Addai is not as good as Edge, mainly because it's near impossible to be that good, but he's much better than most give him credit for, and if he's given any kind of decent run blocking next season, he'll return to Pro Bowl form, and the Colts backfield will be a force to be reckoned with.

Seamus2602
08-09-2009, 06:46 AM
If it's between Hall and Giguere, I'd rather the team keep Giguere. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of Roy Hall's annual IR trip.

There are a number of things in Hall's favour though. Firstly, Giguere is currently injured and has missed all of Training Camp so far. Giguere is also still Practice Squad eligible, something Roy Hall isn't. Roy Hall is also, when fit, the team's best Gunner. Neither will see the field significantly as a Wide Receiver, unless injuries. The Colts rarely play a 4 WR set, never mind the 5 WR set, so for Hall/Giguere to play significanlty there would need to be two injuries. With that in mind the winner of that battle needs to be able to contribute on Special Teams, something Roy Hall is very good at. If Roy Hall goes IR, which he probably will, then they sign Giguere of the Practice Squad.

RCAChainGang
08-09-2009, 11:05 PM
I really don't know what to think about it all. I just read an article on Giguere and I was just kind of rooting for him. He's a guy I would like to see in preseason definitely!

chad72
08-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Here is some news, Charlie Johnson replaces Ugoh as starting offensive left tackle, here is the link for the source.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/date

Geo
08-10-2009, 10:46 AM
Wtf I need to see confirmation of that. That can't be right, no way.

Seamus2602
08-10-2009, 10:50 AM
http://indyfootballreport.com/index.php/archives/2980

Indianapolis Colts OL Charlie Johnson is now the starting left tackle, Colts Head Coach Jim Cadlwell said late Monday morning.

Johnson, after missing the first week of training camp with a pectoral injury, returned to practice Monday morning. He worked at starting left tackle during the session.

Tony Ugoh, a starter at left tackle much of 2007 and 2008 and a 2007 second-round draft selection, will work at right and left tackle, Caldwell said.

That means either Ugoh has been benched, or Ryan Diem has been benched. Personally, if it was either of the two, I would bench Diem. He was awful last year, and I always thought Ugoh was a better fit at Right Tackle, than Left.

Seamus2602
08-10-2009, 10:58 AM
Confirmed by the Indy Star:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090810/SPORTS03/90810037/1100/Johnson+returns+to+practice++replaces+Ugoh+on+star ting+line

Geo
08-10-2009, 11:01 AM
I stand corrected then. I don't get it though, especially as everything we were hearing was Ugoh having a really good camp so far?

MaxV
08-10-2009, 11:42 AM
This BETTER be for disciplinary reasons only, and temporary.

RCAChainGang
08-11-2009, 09:07 PM
Oh my goodness. I think I'm gonna be sick. :/

Geo
08-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Here are who I deduce to be the PS eligible players, excluding anyone drafted before the 5th round of the Draft this year:

QB Curtis Painter
QB Chris Crane
RB Mike Hart
RB Lance Ball
RB Walter Mendenhall
WR Taj Smith
WR Samuel Giguere
WR Brett McDermott
WR John Matthews
TE Tom Santi
OL Jaimie Thomas
OL Kyle DeVan
DE Curtis Johnson
DE Rudolph Hardie
DT Adrian Grady
DT John Gill
LB Mike Tauiliili
LB Ramon Humber
CB Jacob Lacey
DB Travis Key
P Pat McAfee

Obviously, anyone not on the above list is either a rookie drafted in the first four rounds of the 09 Draft, or is not PS eligible as far as I am aware.

Geo
08-21-2009, 12:21 PM
New 53-man roster, I planned on waiting until after the second preseason game to give it a go.


Offense (23)

QB/3- Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter

RB/4 - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Lance Ball

WR/4 - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon

TE/4 - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Gijon Robinson, Tom Santi

OL/8 - Charlie Johnson, Ryan Lilja, Jeff Saturday, Mike Pollak, Ryan Diem, Tony Ugoh, Jamey Richard, Dan Federkeil


Defense (27)

DE/5 - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

DT/5 - Ed Johnson, Daniel Muir, Fili Moala, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster

LB/6 - Clint Session, Philip Wheeler, Gary Brackett, Adam Seward, Ramon Humber, Jordan Senn

CB/6 - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Dante Hughes, TJ Rushing

S/5 - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt, Jamie Silva, Matt Giordano


Special Teams (3)

Adam Vinatieri, Pat McAfee, Justin Snow


Practice Squad (8)

CB Jacob Lacey and DT Adrian Grady for sure.
OL Jaimie Thomas if he doesn't make the roster.
Need at least one linebacker, so LB Michael Tauiliili.
Can we keep all four WRs? Taj Smith, Samuel Giguere, Brett McDermott, and John Matthews.


Notes:

1. I only put Lance Ball in because Hart hurt his ankle last night and we don't know the extent of it (other than Hart can't seem to stay healthy). But I don't think Ball is anything special at all, he'd be okay on the practice squad.

2. No Mookie because he's too slow and gets no push off the line, just like last year except then the Colts had no other options at NT. Daniel Muir has improved plus he is quick and strong. It would be nice to have Mookie against Jacksonville with Ed Johnson suspended, but that's a luxury.

MaxV
08-21-2009, 02:09 PM
Yeah, I like that roster, Geo.

The only gripes I have is that I would like another WR (Giguere) and another OT (Toudouze). But I have no idea who to replace.

Seamus2602
08-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Offense

QB - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter
RB - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Lance Ball
WR - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garçon, Austin Collie
TE - Dallas Clark, Gijon Robinson, Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi
OT - Ryan Diem, Charlie Johnson, Tony Ugoh
OG - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Jamey Richard
OC - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

Defense

DE - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson
DT - Ed Johnson, Antonio Johnson, Fili Moala, Eric Foster, Terrance Taylor
LB - Gary Brackett, Clint Session, Philip Wheeler, Freddie Keiaho, Jordan Senn, Tyjuan Hagler
CB - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, T. J. Rushing
S - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt, Matt Giordano, Jamie Silva

Special Teams

K - Adam Vinatieri
P - Pat McAfee
LS - Justin Snow

Practice Squad

Samuel Giguère - WR
Brett McDermott - WR
Colin Cloherty - TE
Jaimie Thomas - OG
Rudolph Hardie - DE
Adrian Grady - DT
Mike Tauiliili - LB
Jacob Lacey - CB

I think there are two Roster spots for either Painter, Ball and Giguère, with the loser of the three being named to the Practice Squad. Lance Ball is currently ahead of Giguère, who is still coming back to full fitness, while Painter has been impressive, in my opinion. Lance Ball was given a lot of chances last night but didn't really impress me. He needs to do more but with injuries to Chad Simpson and Mike Hart both being hurt he will be given more chances to prove himself.

The Tight End situation became more complex last night. Jacob Tamme was very impressive last night, while Gijon Robinson and Santi have both been injured recently. While Tamme was impressive I do question his blocking abilities and so he won't necessarialy fit in as a H-Back.

I believe that of the 8 Offensive Linemen, 7 of them (Diem, Johnson, Ugoh, Lilja, Pollak, Richard & Saturday) are certs for their Roster spots. There is probably only 1 left over, with three players potentially able to win it. Dan Federkeil is good Offensive Linemen but I feel he has achieved his potential. I don't think that he has much upside, something that both Steve Justice and Jaimie Thomas. Thomas needs to drop weight and is very well placed to do so in the Practice Squad. That means it is a straight up contest between Dan Federkeil and Steve Justice. I feel here in 2009 Federkeil is the better player than Justice, but I also believe that Justice is the more naturally talented of the two and has better upside.

At Defensive End there is a straight battle between Keyunta Dawson and Curtis Johnson. Keyunta Dawson, in my opinion, gets a lot of bad press because of how he played last year. He was our premier Defensive Tackle, despite being only 1 year veteran and a 260 DE. Dawson won't play tackle this year and so I feel we shouldn't be guaging him on his performances last year. Especially with Raheem Brock being a doubt for Week 1, and the other Defensive Ends on the Roster being pure Pass Rushers, I feel we should keep Dawson in there to shore up the D-Line against the Run on 1st and 2nd down.

Defensive Tackle will give Jim Caldwell a selection headache. I think both the Rookies are pretty safe, while Ed Johnson has impressed me enough this offseason to not only make the Roster but be the starter at either the 3 Tech or the Nose. Eric Foster is the most versatile of our Defenisve Tackles, as he can play Tackle, End, Special Teams and has contributed in the Dan Klecko fullback role on the Offense. We need to see what he's like in a game situation, get a real 3rd and short in the Preseason to really evaluate him but I will go out on a limb and give him a roster spot. The last spot is that 2 Down NT and it is a toss up between Antonio Johnson and Daniel Muir. With Terrance Taylor on the Roster we can't bring in both. While Muir has impressed me this offseason and has considerably closed the gap between him and Johnson I still fell that we would be better with Johnson.

Linebacker is an interesting one. The team seem to be moving forward with the Starters, with Wheeler especially impressing me so far. The backups cause problems. Even though I opted to do it I have concerns about brining in 7 LBs. It seems a bit of overkill. The two backups I feel should make the roster above the others are Keiaho, who is the most versatile and can backup all three of the LB ositions, and Senn, a quality Special Teams contributor. Seward has impressed me enough to warrant a spot as well and so if there are only going to be 6 Linebackers then I feel that Hagler is the one who should be cut.

Obviously Seward didn't impress either Caldwell or Coyer and has since been cut. I have amended my 53, and replaced Seward with Curtis Johnson.

Cornerback is a solid position, though I do have concerns over the injuries they seem to be sustaining. Tampa 2 Cornerbacks are expected to be over physical in comparison to other systems and I do worry about the durability. That being said we may have uncovered a special wee player in Powers. The starters are good, Jennings isn't as bad as even I have called him to be, Powers could be a good one, and I have brought in T.J. purely as a Return man. Chad Simpson got hurt and has been poor as the Return man, Garcon is focusing more on the Offense and no one else has really stood up and said pick me. So Rushing almsot wins the Return job by default.

Safety is a real position of strength, but like Corner I do have concerns over the durability issues. I believe that Giordano is a very good Special Teams player (and possibly going to be this years Special Teams Captain) I do have concerns over his actual ability to play Safety. Bullitt is good enough to start for some teams in this league and Silva is a quality special teams player.

The only worry on the Specialist front is Vinatieri but I don't feel it will be a major issue.

chad72
08-22-2009, 09:51 PM
[Eric Foster is the most versatile of our Defenisve Tackles, as he can play Tackle, End, Special Teams and has contributed in the Dan Klecko fullback role on the Offense.

Did you see Eric Foster play Dawson's role in the Eagles game later in the game and do real well? Dawson struggles with containment at the end position. Eric Foster played DE at Rutgers, so he is our future version of Raheem Brock, I feel. I think he could be our Freeney breather at Right End while Brock, Mathis, and Howard man the Left End. CuJo has more upside than Dawson, plus can contribute at ST, so he stays over Dawson.

I do not like Marcus Howard in the 3-point stance for some reason. I feel that he is so much a Mathis clone without the Mathis spin moves. So what that does is if an O-lineman gets a jam on him off the 3-point stance, and he does not have the moves to spin away like Mathis does, he does not have the upper body strength to bull rush. He has 4.4 speed, they should use him in obvious passing downs with a head start as a stand up blitzer, IMO, to overcome his lack of Mathis like moves and reducing the chances for easier jams by NFL O-linemen due to his momentum. No offense to his capabilities but I know most NFL starting O-linemen would jam the heck out of him if he starts off a 3-point stance and would probably have about 50 lbs on him most of the time.

Geo
08-22-2009, 09:52 PM
I can't say 100 percent, but I'm pretty sure Foster played DT at Rutgers, chad.

chad72
08-22-2009, 10:04 PM
I can't say 100 percent, but I'm pretty sure Foster played DT at Rutgers, chad.

This is my source, he played both DE & DT, his last position was DT though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Foster

Geo
08-22-2009, 10:16 PM
The wiki article explains it all: Foster played as a DE at Rutgers until his 2005 injury. Since then he was a DT, became an All-American at the position.

The second link doesn't work, but I know what site you're talking about: they tend to either change the college position of a prospect to fit the pros or they put an alternate position he might play. In this case, it was the former.

chad72
08-22-2009, 10:20 PM
The wiki article explains it all: Foster played as a DE at Rutgers until his 2005 injury. Since then he was a DT, became an All-American at the position.

...in all likelihood, Foster will play UT next to AJ manning the NT against the Jags in game 1. Once EJ is back from the suspension, it will be Ed Johnson at UT.

It was quite a task for Foster to play NT last year at times despite being overpowered, and gave it all, man our D-line depth has changed so much, it is good to see.:)

Geo
08-22-2009, 10:24 PM
Is it just me or does Ed Johnson look like the best Colts DT hands down?

Big Cat put on like 20 lbs. to be Fatty Cat but he's just as quick (which now makes me wonder that he doesn't just look like a Thundercat, maybe he is one!). He's just as quick as before, he's giving guards and centers and runningbacks trouble.

And, we don't know how all of the defense feels, but Freeney at least loves him. Glad to have Big Cat back and hopefully he has a fine professional career.

chad72
08-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Is it just me or does Ed Johnson look like the best Colts DT hands down?

Big Cat put on like 20 lbs. to be Fatty Cat but he's just as quick (which now makes me wonder that he doesn't just look like a Thundercat, maybe he is one!). He's just as quick as before, he's giving guards and centers and runningbacks trouble.

And, we don't know how all of the defense feels, but Freeney at least loves him. Glad to have Big Cat back and hopefully he has a fine professional career.

I see EJ being more effective against the run than the pass with that weight, look at the few rushing yards the Eagles had with EJ & AJ in the middle. But he does get enough push and put him next to AJ, we have the Johnson & Johnson combo that will make the pocket less comfy enabling Freeney & Mathis to say hello to the QB. Sacking the QB from the DT position is always difficult and I don't expect EJ to do any of it, but pushing the pocket often will be a big step from last year.

Geo
08-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Yeah, I think Ed Johnson penetrates the pocket better than any other DT on the roster. Fili Moala in time, but not now.

Geo
08-30-2009, 02:04 PM
Quarterback (3) - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter

Runningback (4) - Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Mike Hart, Lance Ball

Wide Receiver (4) - Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon

Tight End (3) - Dallas Clark, Gijon Robinson, Jacob Tamme

Offensive line (9) - Charlie Johnson, Ryan Lilja, Jeff Saturday, Mike Pollak, Ryan Diem, Daniel Federkeil, Jamey Richard, Tony Ugoh, Kyle DeVan

Defensive line (10) - Dwight Freeney, Ed Johnson, Antonio Johnson, Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson, Fili Moala, Terrance Taylor, Eric Foster

Linebacker (6) - Clint Session, Gary Brackett, Philip Wheeler, Tyjuan Hagler, Mike Tauiliili, Ramon Humber

Cornerback (6) - Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, Tim Jennings, Jerraud Powers, Dante Hughes, TJ Rushing

Safety (5) - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bulllitt, Matt Giordano, Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) - Adam Vinatieri, Pat McAfee, Justin Snow

Practice Squad (8) - Samuel Giguere, Taj Smith, Brett McDermott, Tom Santi, Jaimie Thomas, Adrian Grady, Jacob Lacey, Travis Key?


Why ...

Ball on the roster? Hart is injured, so I think they keep Ball (or Chad Simpson) for the early start of the season. Then they can cut Ball and put him on the practice squad this season if they need him again. Simpson is not PS eligible.

Santi on the PS? He's eligible so use it I say. Lets him heal up, develop, and get stronger. And a call-up away if Gijon gets injured.

Hagler on the roster? Experienced and versatile for all three LB spots, plus he's always been a good special teams player.

Hughes on the roster? I just couldn't cut the chord, Daymeion/Dante is too near to my heart, sniff. But he does have experience, which is something that might be needed early on depending on Hayden/Jackson. Hopefully Dante has a great week 4 preseason game! Lacey has looked good though, maybe the Colts don't think they can stash him on the practice squad.

Geo
09-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Colts put 3 players on waived-injured list:

DE Curtis Johnson
DE Rudolph Hardie
CB Michael Coe

and waived TE Colin Cloherty.

I hope CuJo passes waivers.

RagingColt
09-01-2009, 08:42 PM
Colts released DB Marcus Paschal to make the 75 player limit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkEO2MKRDfYkQDRBKfPs_41DubYF?slug=ap-coltsmove&prov=ap&type=lgns

Geo
09-02-2009, 12:53 AM
Cowboys claim Curtis Johnson off waivers. (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/09/cowboys-add-linebacker.html)

Not surprised at all. Farewell CuJo.

killxswitch
09-02-2009, 07:59 AM
Cowboys claim Curtis Johnson off waivers. (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/09/cowboys-add-linebacker.html)

Not surprised at all. Farewell CuJo.

And if they'd released Josh Thomas, he wouldn't have gotten one phone call. I don't know why they'd cut Johnson but keep Thomas.

Geo
09-02-2009, 08:10 AM
Supposedly Johnson has a hamstring injury.

chad72
09-04-2009, 11:31 AM
QB (3)
Peyton Manning
Jim Sorgi
Curtis Painter

RB (4)
Joseph Addai
Donald Brown
Mike Hart
Chad Simpson

TE/H-Back (4)
Dallas Clark
Jacob Tamme
Tom Santi
Gijon Robinson

WR (4)
Reggie Wayne
Anthony Gonzalez
Pierre Garcon
Austin Collie

OL (9)
Charlie Johnson
Ryan Lilja
Jeff Saturday
Mike Pollak
Ryan Diem
Jamey Richard
Tony Ugoh
Dan Federkeil
Kyle DeVan


DE (4)
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Marcus Howard
Raheem Brock

DT (6)
Ed Johnson
Antonio Johnson
Fili Moala
Terrence Taylor
Adrian Grady
Eric Foster (DT/DE/FB)

LB (7)
Clint Session
Gary Brackett
Philip Wheeler
Tyjuan Hagler
Ramon Humber
Mike Tauiliili
Jordan Senn

CB (5)
Kelvin Hayden
Marlin Jackson
Tim Jennings
Jerraud Powers
T.J.Rushing

S (4)
Bob Sanders*(starts on PUP)
Antoine Bethea
Melvin Bullitt
Matt Giordano
Jamie Silva

ST (3)
Justin Snow
Adam Vinatieri
Pat McAfee


PS
RB Lance Ball
WR Taj Smith
WR John Mathews
OG Jaimie Thomas
OG Tom Pestcock
DT John Gill
CB Jacob Lacey
CB Nick Graham

I am going out on a limb and including John Mathews on the PS since I think he is still a serviceable project, he at least does not have hands like Aaron Moorehead.

Seamus2602
09-04-2009, 06:52 PM
http://i31.tinypic.com/2yzn4o0.jpg

Offense

18 - Peyton Manning - QB
12 - Jim Sorgi - QB
7 - Curtis Painter - QB

29 - Joseph Addai - RB
31 - Donald Brown - RB
32 - Mike Hart - RB
27 - Lance Ball - RB

87 - Reggie Wayne - WR
11 - Anthony Gonzalez - WR
17 - Austin Collie - WR
85 - Pierre Garçon - WR

44 - Dallas Clark - TE
47 - Gijon Robinson - TE
84 - Jacob Tamme - TE
86 - Tom Santi - TE

71 - Ryan Diem - OT
74 - Charlie Johnson - OT
67 - Tony Ugoh - OT

65 - Ryan Lilja - OG
78 - Mike Pollak - OG
61 - Jamey Richard - OG/C

63 - Jeff Saturday - OC
66 - Kyle DeVan - OC

Defense

93 - Dwight Freeney - DE
98 - Robert Mathis - DE
79 - Raheem Brock - DE
92 - Marcus Howard - DE
96 - Keyunta Dawson - DE

91 - Ed Johnson - DT
99 - Antonio Johnson - DT
95 - Fili Moala - DT
62 - Terrance Taylor - DT
68 - Eric Foster - DT
64 - Adrian Grady - DT

55 - Clint Session - WLB
51 - Jordan Senn - WLB

50 - Philip Wheeler - SLB
56 - Tyjuan Hagler - SLB

58 - Gary Brackett - MLB
54 - Freddie Keiaho - MLB

26 - Kelvin Hayden - CB
28 - Marlin Jackson - CB
23 - Tim Jennings - CB
49 - Jerraud Powers - CB
16 - Jacob Lacey - CB

41 - Antoine Bethea - FS
43 - Matt Giordano - FS

33 - Melvin Bullitt - SS
40 - Jamie Silva - SS

Specialists

4 - Adam Vinatieri - K
1 - Pat McAfee - P
48 - Justin Snow - LS
34 - T.J. Rushing - KR

Reserve Lists

21 - Bob Sanders - SS - PUP
81 - Roy Hall - WR - IR
97 - Rudolph Hardie - DE - IR
25 - Michael Coe - CB - IR

Practice Squad

39 - Walter Mendenhall - RB
6 - Taj Smith - WR
14 - Samuel Giguère - WR
15 - Brett McDermott - WR
73 - Jaimie Thomas - OG
69 - John Gill - DT
45 - Ramon Humber - WLB
59 - Mike Tauiliili - MLB

Cuts

35 - Chad Simpson - RB
83 - John Matthews - WR
80 - Jamie Petrowski - TE
75 - Michael Toudouze - OT
76 - Daniel Federkeil - OG/T
72 - Tom Pestock - OG/T
60 - Josh Thomas - DE
90 - Daniel Muir - DT
30 - Travis Key - FS
8 - Shane Andrus - K

RagingColt
09-04-2009, 07:54 PM
Justice, Graham, and Hughes were cut today.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090904/SPORTS03/90904042/1100/Colts+trimming+3+players+from+roster


Another 3rd round draft pick gone wrong for BP in Hughes. A corner at that too.

chad72
09-05-2009, 07:59 AM
Adrian Grady was cut.

Here is the link:

http://www.indy.com/posts/hughes-among-the-first-to-go

I think they must like John Gill for the PS over Adrian Grady.

Seamus2602
09-05-2009, 09:26 AM
It improves the chances of Daniel Muir making the 53 man Roster.

Geo
09-05-2009, 11:14 AM
I think we'll see Grady on the PS, if he clears waivers.

Hughes being cut isn't surprising. Just disappointing. He was great in college and looked like a great fit, the draft really is a crapshoot.

Seamus2602
09-05-2009, 12:06 PM
Marcus Howard has apparently been cut. I'm very surprised at that one.

Geo
09-05-2009, 12:09 PM
What??? No way.

Seamus2602
09-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Apparently, yes way (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/05/howard-getting-gate-from-colts).

That's two Defensive Lineman that the Colts have cut who I felt were gonna make the 53. This should confirm Keyunta Dawson as an Indianapolis Colt and potentially opens up door for Josh Thomas.

Dominic Rhodes has been cut by the Bills as well.

Geo
09-05-2009, 01:37 PM
The Giants waived DE Maurice Evans, UDFA from Penn State.

I really hope the Colts claim him on waivers.

Geo
09-05-2009, 01:42 PM
Confirmation on Howard. (http://www.indystar.com/article/20090905/SPORTS03/90905006/Colts+release+defensive+end+Howard)

Horrible decision.

RambleOn
09-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Have to wonder if they made a mistake cutting Howard. I'm really hoping this doesn't open the door for Josh Thomas, how that man has held a job on an NFL team for so long is mind boggling.

MaxV
09-05-2009, 02:08 PM
Now, I've always thought that having both Marcus Howard and Curtis Johnson on the roster is redundant.

With that being said, I thought there is a place for one of them.

And if both Dawson and Thomas make the roster, that would be even more redundant.