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devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 01:38 PM
I have just finished the Big Ten Prospects list. I have added them to the main post of FBS and FCS Prospects. If you feel that I have missed anyone please let me know and I will add them

Illinois
Juice Williams, QB, Jr. (6’2”/223 lbs.)
Daniel Dufrene, RB, Jr. (5’11”/195 lbs.)
Jeff Cumberland, WR, Jr. (6’5”/244 lbs.)
Vontae Davis, CB, Jr. (6’0”/204 lbs.)
Britt Miller, LB, Sr. (6’1”/251 lbs.)
David Lindquist, DT, Sr. (6’3”/276 lbs.)
Will Davis, DE, Sr. (6’3”/246 lbs.)
Doug Pilcher, DT, Sr. (6’5”/265 lbs.)
Xavier Fulton, OT, Sr. (6’5”/280 lbs.)
Ryan McDonald, C, Sr. (6’5”/293 lbs.)

Indiana
Marcus Thigpen, RB, Sr. (5’9”/199 lbs.)
Kellen Lewis, QB, Jr. (6’1”/185 lbs.)
Ray Fisher, WR, Jr. (5’9”/172 lbs.)
Christopher Phillips, CB, Sr. (6’0”/195 lbs.)
Austin Thomas, S, Jr. (6’2”/200 lbs.)
Will Patterson, LB, Jr. (6’1”/235 lbs.)
Jammie Kirlew, DE, Jr. (6’3”/266 lbs.)
Greg Middleton, DE, Jr. (6’3”/275 lbs.)
Greg Brown, DT, Sr. (6’2”/300 lbs.)
Austin Starr, K, Sr. (6’3”/204 lbs.)
Pete Saxon, OG, Jr. (6’6”/320 lbs.)
Rodger Safford, OT, Jr. (6’5”/306 lbs.)
Nick Polk, S, Jr. (6’0”/215 lbs.)

Iowa
Jake Christensen, QB, Jr. (6’1”/215 lbs.)
Tony Moeaki, TE, Sr. (6’4”/255 lbs.)
A.J. Edds, LB, Jr. (6’4”/244 lbs.)
Matt Kroul, DT, Sr. (6’3”/277 lbs.)
Mitch King, DT, Sr. (6’3”/264 lbs.)
Dace Richardson, OT, Sr. (6’6”/305 lbs.)
Seth Olsen, OT, Sr. (6’5”/305 lbs.)
Rafael Eubanks, C, Jr. (6’3”/285 lbs.)
Dan Doering, OG, Jr. (6’6”/300 lbs.)

Michigan
Brandon Minor, RB, Jr. (6’1”/214 lbs.)
Carlos Brown, RB, Jr. (6’0”/213 lbs.)
Kevin Grady, RB, Sr. (5’9”/228 lbs.)
Greg Matthews, WR, Jr. (6’3”/207 lbs.)
Morgan Trent, CB, Sr. (6’1”/188 lbs.)
Brandon Graham, DE, Jr. (6’2”/270 lbs.)
Obi Ezeh, LB, Jr. (6’2”/247 lbs.)
Tim Jamison, DE, Sr. (6’3”/263 lbs.)
Terrance Taylor, DT, Sr. (6’0”/319 lbs.)
Carson Butler, TE, Jr. (6’5”/250 lbs.)
Tim McAvoy, OG, Jr. (6’6”/288 lbs.)
Zoltan Mesko, P, Jr. (6’5”/235 lbs.)

Michigan State
Javon Ringer, RB, Sr. (5’9”/200 lbs.)
Brian Hoyer, QB, Sr. (6’2”/210 lbs.)
Otis Wiley, S, Sr. (6’2”/210 lbs.)
Kendell Davis-Clark, CB, Sr. (5’11”/204 lbs.)
T.J. Williams, WR, Jr. (6’3”/184 lbs.)
Brett Swenson, K, Jr. (5’8”/160 lbs.)

Minnesota
Eric Decker, WR, Jr. (6’2”/215 lbs.)
Deon Hightower, LB, Sr. (6’3”/215 lbs.)
Jack Simmons, TE, Sr. (6’4”/240 lbs.)
Lee Campbell, DE, Jr. (6’3”/250 lbs.)
William VanDeSteeg, DE, Sr. (6’4”/255 lbs.)

Northwestern
Tyrell Sutton, RB, Sr. (5’9”/190 lbs.)
Ross Lane, WR, Sr. (6’3”/190 lbs.)
Eric Peterman, WR, Sr. (6’1”/200 lbs.)
Sherrick McMannis, CB, Jr. (6’1”/180 lbs.)
John Gill, DT, Sr. (6’3”/290 lbs.)
Prince Kwateng, LB, Sr. (6’2”/235 lbs.)
Corey Wooton, DE, Jr. (6’7”/280 lbs.)

Ohio State
Chris Wells, RB, Jr. (6’1”/235 lbs.)
Todd Boeckman, QB, Sr. (6’5”/243 lbs.)
Brian Robiske, WR, Sr. (6’3”/196 lbs.)
Brian Hartline, WR, Jr. (6’3”/180 lbs.)
Ray Small, WR, Jr. (6’0”/182 lbs.)
Rory Nichol, TE, Sr. (6’5”/250 lbs.)
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Sr. (6’1”/208 lbs.)
James Laurinaitias, LB, Sr. (6’3”/240 lbs.)
Marcus Freeman, LB, Sr. (6’2”/236 lbs.)
Anderson Russell, S, Jr. (6’0”/205 lbs.)
A.J. Trapasso, P, Sr. (6’1”/224 lbs.)
Alex Boone, OT, Sr. (6’8”/313 lbs.)
Lawrence Wilson, DE, Sr. (6’6”/276 lbs.)
Jamario O’Neal, S, Sr. (6’1”/199 lbs.)
Jake Ballard, TE, Jr. (6’7”/255 lbs.)
Jim Cordle, C, Jr. (6’4”/302 lbs.)
Doug Worthington, DE, Jr. (6’7”/271 lbs.)
Donald Washington, CB, Jr. (6’1”/188 lbs.)

Penn State
Derrick Williams, WR, Sr. (6'0"/194 lbs.)
Deon Butler, WR, Sr. (5'10"/168 lbs.)
Jordan Norwood, WR, Sr. (5'10"/171 lbs.)
Anthony Scirrotto, S, Sr. (6’0”/192 lbs.)
Sean Lee, LB, Sr. (6’2”/234 lbs.)
Lydell Sargeant, CB, Sr. (5’10”/186 lbs.)
Maurice Evans, DE, Jr. (6’2”/264 lbs.)
Tyrell Sales, LB, Sr. (6’2”/233 lbs.)
Josh Gaines, DE, Sr. (6’1”/275 lbs.)
A.Q. Shipley, C, Sr. (6’1”/297 lbs.)
Rich Ohrnberger, OG, Sr. (6’2”/291 lbs.)
Tony Davis, CB, Sr. (5’10”/195 lbs.)
Dennis Landolt, OT, Jr. (6’4”/309 lbs.)
Jeremy Boone, P, Jr. (5’9”/184 lbs.)

Purdue
Jaycen Taylor, RB, Sr. (5’10”/180 lbs.)
Kory Sheets, RB, Sr. (6’0”/206 lbs.)
Curtis Painter, QB, Sr. (6’4”/230 lbs.)
Greg Orton, WR, Sr. (6’3”/199 lbs.)
Anthony Heygood, LB, Sr. (6’2”/230 lbs.)
Sean Sester, OT, Sr. (6’7”/325 lbs.)
Alex Magee, DT, Sr. (6’4”/295 lbs.)
Chris Summers, P, Jr. (6’1”/179 lbs.)

Wisconsin
P.J. Hill, RB, Jr. (5’11”/228 lbs.)
Lance Smith, RB, Jr. (5’10”/200 lbs.)
Garrett Graham, TE, Jr. (6’4”/241 lbs.)
Travis Beckum, TE, Sr. (6’4”/223 lbs.)
Jonathan Casillas, LB, Sr. (6’2”/220 lbs.)
DeAndre Levy, LB, Sr. (6’3”/234 lbs.)
Elijah Hodge, LB, Sr. (6’1”/226 lbs.)
Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Sr. (6’6”/253 lbs.)
Chris Pressley, FB, Sr. (6’1”/259 lbs.)
Kraig Urbik, OT, Sr. (6’6”/328 lbs.)
Eric Vandenheuvel, OT, Sr. (6’7”/321 lbs.)
Andy Kemp, OG, Sr. (6’6”/316 lbs.)
Allen Langford, CB, Sr. (5’11”/188 lbs.)
Shane Carter, S, Jr. (6’2”/202 lbs.)

neko4
05-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Im curious about these two:
Marcus Thigpen, RB, Sr. (5’9”/199 lbs.)
Kellen Lewis, QB, Jr. (6’1”/185 lbs.)


I wonder if Lewis will put up good stats after losing Hardy

tylerb929
05-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Chris Summers, P, Jr. (6’1”/179 lbs.)

Not that it matters, but he kicks field goals too (18 for 22 on field goals, hit all 56 PATs)

BeerBaron
05-02-2008, 02:12 PM
like the penn staters but i think you should probably take sean lee off....poor guy....

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 02:30 PM
like the penn staters but i think you should probably take sean lee off....poor guy....

Yeah, but I still want him to be recognized on the list. It is too bad that he tore his ACL.

foozball
05-02-2008, 02:32 PM
i take it that its just jr and sr?

princefielder28
05-02-2008, 02:33 PM
Missing Lymon from purdue

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 02:34 PM
It is Juniors and Seniors, with the occasional sophomore with certain circumstances.

For example Graig Cooper and LeShon McCoy. Both are Sophomores, but each attended a year of prep school which would have them 3 years removed from high school, which would make them draft eligible.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Missing Lymon from purdue

He is an UDFA with Miami.

princefielder28
05-02-2008, 02:38 PM
He is an UDFA with Miami.

did not know that...thanks

sweetness34
05-02-2008, 05:44 PM
Derek Walker should be on that list, defensive end for Illinois.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 06:58 PM
Derek Walker should be on that list, defensive end for Illinois.

Added him to the main post.

reload
05-02-2008, 09:07 PM
I think McGee is every bit the prospect Juice is, no way Eddie leaves next year but as a redshirt sophmore he could.

sweetness34
05-02-2008, 09:08 PM
Added him to the main post.

Where? Don't see him under Illinois....

Eddie McGee is a better passer than Juice but he doesn't work as hard, he's got somewhat of a bitchy attitude, and he's also very inconsistent still. And Charest will beat him out after Juice leaves.

MaxV
05-02-2008, 09:10 PM
For Penn State, you should replace OT Dennis Landolt with OT Gerald Cadogan.

Cadogan might have more NFL upside.

reload
05-02-2008, 09:34 PM
"Eddie McGee is a better passer than Juice but he doesn't work as hard, he's got somewhat of a bitchy attitude, and he's also very inconsistent still. And Charest will beat him out after Juice leaves."

I'm sure your right (except for McGee losing his job) but I think its more likely that McGee matures than Juice develops the passing skills necessary for the NFL game.

Sniper
05-02-2008, 09:41 PM
I
Zoltan Mesko, P, Jr. (6’5”/235 lbs.)



Greatest punter ever! ZOLTAN THE INCONCEIVABLE!

He is a big ******* punter.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 10:00 PM
Where? Don't see him under Illinois....

Eddie McGee is a better passer than Juice but he doesn't work as hard, he's got somewhat of a bitchy attitude, and he's also very inconsistent still. And Charest will beat him out after Juice leaves.


Check this thread. I have him down.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22076

I should have been more specific and said I added him to the FBS and FCS main thread.

regoob2
05-02-2008, 10:38 PM
I don't watch a lot of Illi football so what is your take on Juice Williams as an NFL prospect?

steelernation77
05-02-2008, 10:48 PM
For Iowa, Jake Christensen isn't a guaranteed starter this year so I don't think he could be considered a prospect. Dace Richardson could've been a very good prospect but he's had serious injuries and may never play football again.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2008, 10:52 PM
Dace Richardson could've been a very good prospect but he's had serious injuries and may never play football again.

Really? I hadn't heard that about Dace. What kind of injuries are you talking about?

Unbiased
05-02-2008, 11:17 PM
like the penn staters but i think you should probably take sean lee off....poor guy....

And then add A.J. Wallace, CB, JR

Unbiased
05-02-2008, 11:18 PM
did not know that...thanks

Got kicked off the team midseason.

Sniper
05-03-2008, 05:35 AM
Got kicked off the team midseason.

For a DUI....

Santonio10
05-03-2008, 04:17 PM
And then add A.J. Wallace, CB, JR

Definately should be on there with his size, speed and athleticism. He'll show this year why he should be a future 1st rounder.

underscore
05-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Penn State
Derrick Williams, WR, Sr. (6'0"/194 lbs.) - Former #1 recruit that hasn't quite lived up to his billing, but should have a good senior year. Probably a 3rd round type pick if all goes well.
Deon Butler, WR, Sr. (5'10"/168 lbs.) - Former invited walk-on, four year starter, overachiever who could end up PSU's all-time leading receiver, but size limits NFL chances.
Jordan Norwood, WR, Sr. (5'10"/171 lbs.) - Another overachiever who's very shifty and runs great routes, but like Butler has size limitations.
Anthony Scirrotto, S, Sr. (6’0”/192 lbs.) - A good centerfielder at safety, could be a mid-late round pick.
Sean Lee, LB, Sr. (6’2”/234 lbs.) - A potential 1st round LB pick who has better skills and Poz or Connor, but blew his ACL in spring practice, and will redshirt and return to PSU in 2009.
Lydell Sargeant, CB, Sr. (5’10”/186 lbs.) - Part-time starter at CB last year, hasn't really emerged as anything more.
Maurice Evans, DE, Jr. (6’2”/264 lbs.) - Could play himself into first round consideration this year. Great speed and quicks, had 12.5 sacks last year, but faded in the last three games.
Tyrell Sales, LB, Sr. (6’2”/233 lbs.) - a solid OLB, could see some DE snaps this year. Too much of a tweener at the NFL level
Josh Gaines, DE, Sr. (6’1”/275 lbs.) - Another solid player, is a captain in 2008, probably has ended up a better player than most expected, not quick enough for the NFL
A.Q. Shipley, C, Sr. (6’1”/297 lbs.) - Also a captain in 2008, a bit undersized, but has turned himself into a very good center. Mid-round type talent.
Rich Ohrnberger, OG, Sr. (6’2”/291 lbs.)
Tony Davis, CB, Sr. (5’10”/195 lbs.) - Switched to safety in 2007, should start at CB again this year. Struggled last year with a position shift and appendicitis surgery, but a solid player.[/b]
Dennis Landolt, OT, Jr. (6’4”/309 lbs.) - A good RT, still a year from NFL considerations
Jeremy Boone, P, Jr. (5’9”/184 lbs.) - Came out of nowhere to be one of the best punters in the Big Ten last year. Obviously no punter is declaring early for the draft.


Missing (ordered by class, then NFL potential):

Gerald Cadogan, LT, Sr (6'5"/314 lbs) - Same size, but not quite as good as Levi Brown. Could play himself into the first day of the draft. He's on the Outland trophy watch list with Shipley.
Rich Orhnberger, OG, Sr (6'2"/289) - May well be the most talented of PSU's upperclassman OL, but, hasn't quite displayed the total package yet.
Kevin Kelly, K, Sr (5'6"/164lbs) - Four-year starter, holds PSU scoring records. Hasn't been consistent though.
Dan Lawlor, FB, Sr (6'2"/244 lbs) - Workman FB, had to fill in last year when Matt Hahn (UDFA, Raiders) blew his ACL, but did well. Could play himself into an UDFA.
Chris Baker, DT, Jr (6'2"/305) - Probably was PSU's best DT last year, but has had off the field issues, and still faces felony charges from a fight over a year ago (he'll most likely get off, but, character issues will follow him).
AJ Wallace, CB, Jr (6'0"/188) - His emergence sent Tony Davis to safety last year. He's as good of an athlete as Justin King, and more physical.
Andrew Quarless, TE, Jr (6'5"/232) - Antonio Gates like skill and measurables, Jeremy Shockey-like attitude. Has had trouble staying out of trouble with underage dirnking, too.
Phil Taylor, DT, Jr (6'4"/337) - Mammoth DT who came on last year, but also has had off the field issues and is suspended through the summer semester for a role in a fight. While it's likely he'll be back on the team this fall, he won't be atop the DT rotation right away.
Jerome Hayes, DE, Jr (6'2"/236 lbs) - Was a highly recruited LB, but never found a home there. Was moved to DE last year, really excelled, but blew his ACL in mid-season. Should be just about full strength this year.

Con
05-03-2008, 10:07 PM
I don't watch a lot of Illi football so what is your take on Juice Williams as an NFL prospect?

Decision making is not all there yet. Too inconsistent, great game against OSU then struggles next game.
Can run with the ball, not amazingly fast but fast enough. Can put the ball on the ground.

Passing little or no touch. Good arm strength, not great.

honestly i dont think he'd be in the top 3 rounds.

neko4
05-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Derrick Williams, WR, Sr. (6'0"/194 lbs.) - Former #1 recruit that hasn't quite lived up to his billing, but should have a good senior year. Probably a 3rd round type pick if all goes well.
Deon Butler, WR, Sr. (5'10"/168 lbs.) - Former invited walk-on, four year starter, overachiever who could end up PSU's all-time leading receiver, but size limits NFL chances.
Jordan Norwood, WR, Sr. (5'10"/171 lbs.) - Another overachiever who's very shifty and runs great routes, but like Butler has size limitations.



I'd hate to be Williams and have a walk on out play you.

steelernation77
05-03-2008, 11:15 PM
Really? I hadn't heard that about Dace. What kind of injuries are you talking about?

He's had some serious knee damage. His season last year was ended by it and Ferentz has said that it's likely he won't be playing again, although they'll still keep him under scholarship. It's a shame because he really showed some promise as a player and from what I've heard is just a really good guy.

Here's a story that goes into the injuries in more detail:
http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/10/17/sports/doc470c62e3a88e6396941493.txt

Sniper
05-03-2008, 11:18 PM
I'd hate to be Williams and have a walk on out play you.

If he doesn't like it, perhaps he should do something about it

neko4
05-03-2008, 11:19 PM
If he doesn't like it, perhaps he should do something about it
Exactly!
Hard work pays off

underscore
05-04-2008, 07:03 AM
Williams missed half of his freshman year due to injury, but was phenomenal the first half of the year. His soph year, put on weight for a potential shift to RB that never happened and it really slowed him down. It was the second half of last year that he finally got back into the rhythm he started his career at. He'll actually have a QB with a clue this year, so I expect him to be the #1 guy.

That said, Williams, Butler and Norwood all have a good chance to finish the season 1-2-3 in PSU's all time receptions list.

It's got nothing to do with being out worked.

Sniper
05-04-2008, 09:15 AM
Williams missed half of his freshman year due to injury, but was phenomenal the first half of the year. His soph year, put on weight for a potential shift to RB that never happened and it really slowed him down. It was the second half of last year that he finally got back into the rhythm he started his career at. He'll actually have a QB with a clue this year, so I expect him to be the #1 guy.

That said, Williams, Butler and Norwood all have a good chance to finish the season 1-2-3 in PSU's all time receptions list.

It's got nothing to do with being out worked.

Williams sucks. He couldn't even average 10 yards per catch last year. He's a glorified punt returner, dassit.

And he didn't have a phenomenal first half of the year. He topped out at 60 yards receiving per game, and only has 1 career 100 yard game, and that was against Temple when he went 7-104.

Unbiased
05-04-2008, 10:25 AM
Williams sucks. He couldn't even average 10 yards per catch last year. He's a glorified punt returner, dassit.

And he didn't have a phenomenal first half of the year. He topped out at 60 yards receiving per game, and only has 1 career 100 yard game, and that was against Temple when he went 7-104.

So you didn't watch him actually play any of those games. Good to know.

bearsfan_51
05-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Good list, nice job.

Eric Decker is pretty sick for Minnesota. He made Jack Ikegwunonuanunano his personal ***** in their head to head matchup last year. I hope he doesn't declare though, the new stadium will open up his senior year.

As for seniors, Vandesteeg can be a 2nd rounder/late 1st if he gets his sack total back up in the double digits. He had a bad year last year, but was apparently fighting injuries.

Steve Davis is probably a better prospect than Hightower, though both are late round guys.

Sniper
05-04-2008, 11:01 AM
So you didn't watch him actually play any of those games. Good to know.

Considering I live in the middle of PSU country, I'd say I had to watch about 75% of their games. Good to know you look like a moron when you assume **** that isn't true.

underscore
05-04-2008, 12:00 PM
Williams sucks. He couldn't even average 10 yards per catch last year. He's a glorified punt returner, dassit.

And he didn't have a phenomenal first half of the year. He topped out at 60 yards receiving per game, and only has 1 career 100 yard game, and that was against Temple when he went 7-104.


If you watch 75% of their games, then you'd have noticed who the QB was throwing him passes. Kinda hard to average more than 10 ypc when the majority of your pass plays are less than 10 yards and give no chance for YAC.

Williams had seven completions all year long on balls thrown more than 10 yards in the air. And it's not because Williams dropped them all. Only two of those were thrown more than 30 yds.

17 of his catches were on passes caught behind the line of scrimmage.

That means he had 38 receptions on balls thrown down field. 25 of those were thrown outside the numbers.

10 more were on passes thrown 5 yards or less.


Add it all up, it's obvious why he had such a low ypc.

Sniper
05-04-2008, 12:06 PM
If you watch 75% of their games, then you'd have noticed who the QB was throwing him passes. Kinda hard to average more than 10 ypc when the majority of your pass plays are less than 10 yards and give no chance for YAC.

Williams had seven completions all year long on balls thrown more than 10 yards in the air. And it's not because Williams dropped them all. Only two of those were thrown more than 30 yds.

17 of his catches were on passes caught behind the line of scrimmage.

That means he had 38 receptions on balls thrown down field. 25 of those were thrown outside the numbers.

10 more were on passes thrown 5 yards or less.


Add it all up, it's obvious why he had such a low ypc.

Dude, everyone averages more than 10 ypc. Mediocre tight ends average more than 10 ypc. Don't give me that ****.

Unbiased
05-04-2008, 12:10 PM
Considering I live in the middle of PSU country, I'd say I had to watch about 75% of their games. Good to know you look like a moron when you assume **** that isn't true.

LOL at getting antsy about it.

You listed stats from the games. Saying he improved is based on watching him play. based on what you saw, how did he not play great at the end of the season?

sweetness34
05-04-2008, 12:30 PM
Missing (ordered by class, then NFL potential):

Gerald Cadogan, LT, Sr (6'5"/314 lbs) - Same size, but not quite as good as Levi Brown. Could play himself into the first day of the draft. He's on the Outland trophy watch list with Shipley.
Rich Orhnberger, OG, Sr (6'2"/289) - May well be the most talented of PSU's upperclassman OL, but, hasn't quite displayed the total package yet.
Kevin Kelly, K, Sr (5'6"/164lbs) - Four-year starter, holds PSU scoring records. Hasn't been consistent though.
Dan Lawlor, FB, Sr (6'2"/244 lbs) - Workman FB, had to fill in last year when Matt Hahn (UDFA, Raiders) blew his ACL, but did well. Could play himself into an UDFA.
Chris Baker, DT, Jr (6'2"/305) - Probably was PSU's best DT last year, but has had off the field issues, and still faces felony charges from a fight over a year ago (he'll most likely get off, but, character issues will follow him).
AJ Wallace, CB, Jr (6'0"/188) - His emergence sent Tony Davis to safety last year. He's as good of an athlete as Justin King, and more physical.
Andrew Quarless, TE, Jr (6'5"/232) - Antonio Gates like skill and measurables, Jeremy Shockey-like attitude. Has had trouble staying out of trouble with underage dirnking, too.
Phil Taylor, DT, Jr (6'4"/337) - Mammoth DT who came on last year, but also has had off the field issues and is suspended through the summer semester for a role in a fight. While it's likely he'll be back on the team this fall, he won't be atop the DT rotation right away.
Jerome Hayes, DE, Jr (6'2"/236 lbs) - Was a highly recruited LB, but never found a home there. Was moved to DE last year, really excelled, but blew his ACL in mid-season. Should be just about full strength this year.

Why don't you just put your entire team down and call it a day huh? That's just flat out ridiculous. Penn State does have some players but c'mon.

sweetness34
05-04-2008, 12:35 PM
Decision making is not all there yet. Too inconsistent, great game against OSU then struggles next game.
Can run with the ball, not amazingly fast but fast enough. Can put the ball on the ground.

Passing little or no touch. Good arm strength, not great.

honestly i dont think he'd be in the top 3 rounds.

I'll breakdown your "scouting report" real quick because it's lacking accuracy;

A) He is incosistent, but after the Ohio State game he went out and raped Northwestern, and the game before that he raped Minnesota. Juice improved his consistency as the year went on (apart from the USC game). Decision making has also gotten better since last season.

B) Juice has an absolute cannon, he can launch it 80 yards...I'd say that's a great arm. And again, his accuracy has improved as has his touch. He doesn't really rifle it anymore like he used to, throws a very catchable ball when he gets his feet set.

C) Well yeah if he came out this year he wouldn't be a 3rd Rounder, hell he probably wouldn't be drafted. But again, he has improved every year since stepping on campus and he'll continue to do so. He's got a lot of untapped potential and he could end up being a late first, early second day pick if he keeps improving the way he has since coming to Illinois. But one thing you can't teach is his arm strength, his running ability, his strength, his leadership qualities, and his willingness to learn, kid spends every waking hour in the film room.

Unbiased
05-04-2008, 01:06 PM
Why don't you just put your entire team down and call it a day huh? That's just flat out ridiculous. Penn State does have some players but c'mon.

Yeah, Wallace is the only one I would add from that.

Unbiased
05-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Exactly!
Hard work pays off

He's not a team captain because he slacks off.

jared
05-04-2008, 01:17 PM
Andy Brodell, WR for Iowa. I'm not sure if he got a medical redshirt so I believe he is a Sr. Anyway, he's 6'3", very fast (10.4 100m and 21.4 200m), and a pretty good punt returner. I look for this to be a breakout year for him.

underscore
05-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Dude, everyone averages more than 10 ypc. Mediocre tight ends average more than 10 ypc. Don't give me that ****.

Facts are facts, like them or not.

underscore
05-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Why don't you just put your entire team down and call it a day huh? That's just flat out ridiculous. Penn State does have some players but c'mon.

You're right, half of the guys I listed may get drafted someday.

But only half of the guys in the original post in this thread have a chance to be drafted, too.

This would be PSU's draft-eligible and draftable list:

Sean Lee, LB, Sr. (6’2”/234 lbs.) (if he wasn't hurt)
Maurice Evans, DE, Jr. (6’2”/264 lbs.)
Derrick Williams, WR, Sr. (6'0"/194 lbs.)
A.Q. Shipley, C, Sr. (6’1”/297 lbs.)
Gerald Cadogan, LT, Sr (6'5"/314 lbs)
Anthony Scirrotto, S, Sr. (6’0”/192 lbs.)
Rich Ohrnberger, OG, Sr. (6’2”/291 lbs.)


These are all draftable, but, none will declare:
Chris Baker, DT, Jr (6'2"/305)
AJ Wallace, CB, Jr (6'0"/188)
Andrew Quarless, TE, Jr (6'5"/232)
Phil Taylor, DT, Jr (6'4"/337)

asmitty45
05-04-2008, 07:48 PM
The MSU list is good, short but good. Every other impact player is a sophomore/junior. Nice work.

MaxV
05-04-2008, 08:18 PM
You're right, half of the guys I listed may get drafted someday.

But only half of the guys in the original post in this thread have a chance to be drafted, too.

This would be PSU's draft-eligible and draftable list:

Sean Lee, LB, Sr. (6’2”/234 lbs.) (if he wasn't hurt)
Maurice Evans, DE, Jr. (6’2”/264 lbs.)
Derrick Williams, WR, Sr. (6'0"/194 lbs.)
A.Q. Shipley, C, Sr. (6’1”/297 lbs.)
Gerald Cadogan, LT, Sr (6'5"/314 lbs)
Anthony Scirrotto, S, Sr. (6’0”/192 lbs.)
Rich Ohrnberger, OG, Sr. (6’2”/291 lbs.)


These are all draftable, but, none will declare:
Chris Baker, DT, Jr (6'2"/305)
AJ Wallace, CB, Jr (6'0"/188)
Andrew Quarless, TE, Jr (6'5"/232)
Phil Taylor, DT, Jr (6'4"/337)

Terell Sales has a decent chance to get drafted, though not very high.

ToldLikeItIs
05-07-2008, 05:35 AM
Iowa draft eligible players:

CB Bradley Fletcher 6'2 210 (massive size and 43.5 vert is an Iowa record)

DE Mitch King 6'3 275 (Great motor and quickness)

OLB Aj Edds 6'4 244 (Had a 100 tackle, 4 int, 3 FF season last year as true soph) JR

WR Andy Brodell 6'3 210 (4.45-4.5, two big TDs against TX in the 07' alamo before injury)

OT Seth Olsen 6'5 315 (Every 3+ year starter for Iowa at tackle has gone pro during Ferentz tenure, but I think he'll be a guard)

Underclassman

LE Christian Ballard 6'5 280 (5 sacks in three starts as true frosh, 4.6, a freak and future first rounder imo)

LT Bryan Bulaga 6'6 310 (7% body fat and six starts as true frosh..4.82)

WR Derrell-Johnson Koulianos 6'1 220 (4.4, 450 Bench Press, starting WR/KR/PR as Frosh, unreal one handed TD catch against "all world" Ikegwuounu)

MLB Jacody Coleman 6'3 250 (great instincts and will be a 4 year starter, assuming he stays all 4 years)

Sniper
05-07-2008, 12:46 PM
\unreal one handed TD catch against "all world" Ikegwuounu)



Who said Ikegwuonu was all world? I'm probably one of his biggest fans on here and I've never heard anyone call him that.

DITK
05-07-2008, 08:20 PM
So you didn't watch him actually play any of those games. Good to know.
I watch Penn State football like it's my religion on Saturdays in the fall, and I have no idea what you're talking about. Williams has lacked the techniques to separate from corners at the college level, and is rarely ever open. It seems the ball is always going Deon or Norwood's way, and Williams is rarely keyed on because he can't get open consistently. To his defense, Penn State's offense needs to come up with creative ways to get a talent like him the ball. They often run reverses to him or have a WR option, but it obviously isn't working. A reverse isn't creative. Jay Paterno should figure something out for once.

underscore
05-08-2008, 05:55 AM
It seems the ball is always going Deon or Norwood's way, and Williams is rarely keyed on because he can't get open consistently.

Which explains why Williams was the team's leading receiver last year.